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November 17, 2025
Ukraine Is Buying Fighter Jets With Money It Does Not Have?

Over the next two years Ukraine plans to spend some €140 billion ($162b) it does not have to continue its war with Russia. There is serious doubt that the European Union, which has already shuffled €180 billion ($216b) to Ukraine, will be able to pay even a fraction of that.

Despite Ukraine’s lack of money it acting president Vladimir Zelenski is announcing deals to procure expensive military aircraft at an unprecedented scale.

In late October he went to Sweden to buy JAS 39 Gripen-E multi-role fighter jets build by Saab:

Ukraine could get 150 advanced Swedish fighter jets under just-signed dealCNN, Oct 23 2025

New NATO member Sweden has said it is willing to sell Ukraine up to 150 of its most advanced fighter jets, the first offer from a member of the alliance to supply significant numbers of jets to Kyiv, which is seeking to upgrade its small and ageing air force.

The deal signed on Wednesday by Volodymyr Zelensky and Swedish Prime Minister Ulf Kristersson is a letter of understanding, meaning exact terms, costs and delivery dates for 100 to 150 Saab Gripen-E jets are yet to be determined.

But both leaders said it has the potential to be a game changer, not only for Ukraine – which desperately needs more air combat capabilities in its fight against Russia – but for NATO and European security overall.

The planes ain’t cheap:

[T]he most recent known deal was Thailand’s late-August 2025 contract for four additional Gripens (three single-seat Gripen E and one twin-seat Gripen F). The announced fixed price was about 5.3 billion Swedish kronor — approximately $553 million, or $138.25 million per aircraft.

However, Thailand is already an existing Gripen operator and therefore did not need to purchase additional ground equipment, spare parts, or other infrastructure. For comparison, Peru, which has also expressed interest in the Swedish fighter, estimates the cost at around $145.8 million per aircraft.

It should also be noted that these figures do not include weapons, which must be purchased separately.

The total price tag for the fighter jets is more than $20+ billion. The price is likely to increase because it will take many years to build the planes:

Even for Sweden’s own Air Force, Saab plans to complete its 60-aircraft order only by 2030.

Currently, Saab’s production facilities in Linköping can manufacture about 12 aircraft per year. However, the company aims to significantly increase this rate through localization in other countries.

Not even a month later Zelenski visits France to buy the even more expensive Rafale jets:

Ukraine to buy ‘up to 100’ French fighter jets, Elysee Palace announcesCNN, Nov 17 2025

Ukraine will purchase “up to 100” French-made Rafale fighter jets as well as anti-air defenses and drones from France, the Elysee Palace confirmed, as Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky visited Paris on Monday.

The Elysee Palace said that the purchases covered by the letter of intent would span the next 10 years.

The real price for Rafale jets is not known but it has two engines while the Gripen-E is a one engine plane. Rafale is said to be the second most expensive jet fighter flying in western air forces.

When those just ordered planes would arrive is also not known. The capacity to build them is already sold out for the next five years:

The French aviation firm behind the Rafale, Dassault, is looking to boost its production output to four fighter jets per month and the company said it has 233 jets still on order, as of October 7.

The agreement signed Monday is merely a letter of intent, still a way off a concrete purchase, spurring questions as to how Ukraine will pay for the French jets when Ukraine signed a letter of understanding for 100-150 Swedish-made Gripen jets in October.

I wonder about the strategy behind announcing deals that involve such large sums of money Ukraine does not have for planes that will not even be build during the next five years.

What impression does this give to citizens in Europe who get asked to take on more debt for financing the war in Ukraine:

EU leaders agreed last month to meet Ukraine’s “pressing financial needs” for the next two years but stopped short of endorsing a plan to use frozen Russian assets to fund a giant loan to Kyiv, due to concerns raised by Belgium.

Leaders from all EU countries except Hungary asked the Commission to come up with options for financially supporting Ukraine.

“We have identified three main options, i.e. support to be financed by Member States via grants, a limited recourse loan funded by the Union borrowing on the financial markets, or a limited recourse loan linked to the cash balances of immobilised assets,” von der Leyen said in the letter, seen by Reuters.

There are of course more options than continuing to finance the war. But v.d. Leyen rejects to even identify those.

The mentioning of ‘limited recourse‘ by vdL a word game hiding the fact that Ukraine will never repay any loans:

Limited recourse debt is a type of debt that gives the creditor a claim on some but not all of a borrower’s assets if they default on a loan. It sits between full recourse debt and non-recourse debt in terms of the creditor’s ability to seize any of the borrower’s assets beyond the collateral backing the loan.

It is obvious that Ukraine will never be able to pay back such large sums of money. What assets is Ukraine offering as collateral to back up a limited recourse loan? I haven’t heard anyone else mentioning those.

I am very interested to hear v.d. Leyen’s response to that question.

Comments

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https://youtu.be/BW9K0x1NxEE?si=DPZhVSPZKXPrhK0h

Posted by: krypton | Nov 17 2025 21:42 utc | 101

Glenn Diesen latest interview with Emmanuel Todd and  his latest book “La Défait de l’Occident”.  

https://youtu.be/BW9K0x1NxEE?si=DPZhVSPZKXPrhK0h

Posted by: krypton | Nov 17 2025 21:43 utc | 102

There will be no seizing of assets. Euroclear has made it known it will challenge and sue to protect commercial interests. 
Posted by: Suresh | Nov 17 2025 21:27 utc | 99
 
The EU is not particularly interested in legal action, as it takes years. For the EU, the only law is the one it makes itself.What matters is Belgium’s refusal (which it will certainly try to pressure into submission) and then the international financial assessment, i.e., a reduction in investment (which is already declining anyway) and a loss in rating (which has a direct impact on international interest rates). But no matter what the EU does, it costs citizens a lot in taxes, i.e., a decline in social spending and higher health insurance contributions. (It will be in Europe as it already is in the US.)
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Posted by: smartfox | Nov 17 2025 21:45 utc | 103

Jets to ashes in 2 days. Remember what happened to Mirya AN225! Zelensky should stop clogging my inbox with beautiful Ukrainian women. Had enough.

Posted by: Jason | Nov 17 2025 21:53 utc | 104

So called Russian assets in Euroclear are just paper. They are guarantees made by the Russian government to honor payment when a demand for payment is made. Worthless as Russia does not plan to honor these demands. 
On the other hand EU countries have actual physical assets in Russia worth more than $1 trillion. They are under Russian control.
On top of that the EU, UK, US and Taiwan have registered thousands of patents in Russia worth a few trillion dollars.
Would they risk them for paper? No chance.
But the EU may fund the Ukie war equal to that value. This is their own borrowed money. Russian assets is just a lie for the consumption of their unfortunate voters. It has a good outcome too. A debt ridden Europe will be an Asianized Europe.

Posted by: Jason | Nov 17 2025 22:01 utc | 105

Exactly right.
 
That is why England pushed/marioneted by the City of London will never quit.
 
Posted by: canuk | Nov 17 2025 18:47 utc | 57
 
Perhaps. But please look at the big picture. They are led by the most unpopular and incompetent Prime Minister in that country’s history, more so than Thatcher. British forces near Ukraine would be torn apart without constant American protection. Really, Russia can afford to take hit after hit from the UK while waiting for a NATO cultural linchpin to completely unravel. Then the London agenda would truly be quits.

Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Nov 17 2025 22:06 utc | 106

So called Russian assets in Euroclear are just paper …
Posted by: Jason | Nov 17 2025 22:01 utc | 105
That’s nonsense. These are fixed-term deposits that normally earn interest. (It would be necessary to examine whether the removal of interest also gives rise to a legal claim for damages for “lost profits.” That would actually be the case under civil law.)

Posted by: smartfox | Nov 17 2025 22:11 utc | 107

They get a cushy job. What was with vdL? First corruption in Germany, then EU president.
Posted by: smartfox | Nov 17 2025 20:54 utc | 91
A brazenly sleazy and incompetent individual.

Posted by: jpc | Nov 17 2025 22:29 utc | 108

I am sure, EU will go for cutting the social spending to pay for military spending.
There shell be no discontent about that as the EU nations love this cheap war.

Posted by: Hypno | Nov 17 2025 22:40 utc | 109

Odessa in Western hands is complicated suicide
– Smartfox  95

Exactly, territory/supply-lines matter.  There is no way around it.  There can be no long term resolution for Russia if it does not retake it’s former possessions.

Posted by: S Brennan | Nov 17 2025 22:52 utc | 110

Who, What, When, Where, Why, and How are all good questions about delivering combat aircraft to Ukraine. 
But, that is not the real final question… 
The real final question is, “Who is going to fly these combat aircraft?”
Posted by: MRDMK | Nov 17 2025 16:18 utc | 11

W5H. That is the starting questions. Who should have a broad scope. It has levels and networks.
 
Who? Nato pilots would be the only way that works. But the jets are nought but political entities.
 
Late stage propaganda.
GASP!!!

Posted by: David G Horsman | Nov 17 2025 22:58 utc | 111

Late on parade duty tonight, just  aquick thought: anybody wondered why Ukraine didn’t want the F-35? The current fashionable military aircraft of choice, so I am told. Maybe Lockheed Martin wanted too much in the way of kickbacks?

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 17 2025 23:10 utc | 112

File Under: You can’t make this stuff up
 

Microchipping soldiers to combat desertion
 
…combating the rising number of deserters is a hot topic in Ukraine. One rather original solution was proposed by a Ukrainian serviceman…[who] proposed using microchips to search for deserters and then return them to the units from which they fled..He stated that microchipping is necessary to combat desertion
https://en.topwar.ru/273816-v-jefire-ukrainskogo-tv-predlozheno-chipirovat-voennyh-dlja-borby-s-dezertirstvom.html

 
Leave it to the modern day Waffen SS of Galicia…I mean they treat their conscripts worse than dogs…this might be a step up.

Posted by: S Brennan | Nov 17 2025 23:10 utc | 113

If you thought that $100 million in stolen funds from the energy sector was a lot, wait until they audit the defense sector. Billions of dollars were stolen by zelensky, Yermak, and Umerov. Oh and btw…Umerov is a citizen of US, and his family lives here!

https://x.com/provemewrong411/status/1990441285497336177

 
John Helmer also said Kolomoisky’s ‘Privat Bank’ laundered billions of $ of IMF and EU tax money during 2014-2022. This $100 million scandal is just a tip of the iceberg.

Posted by: unimperator | Nov 17 2025 23:16 utc | 114

Goncharenko is claiming that the former Defense Minister of Ukraine Rustem Umerov is currently in the US, cooperating with the FBI in the ongoing corruption investigation in Ukraine to betray people involved in the scandal and negotiate a deal for himself. Rats eating each other.

https://x.com/OlgaBazova/status/1990558301738971304

Posted by: unimperator | Nov 17 2025 23:23 utc | 115

With all of the money Zelensky is suspected of stealing he can probably afford to pay for these jets himself. 
 
It’s becoming increasingly obvious that the only thing the European NATO cabal want is to make sure war continues so the MIC complexes in Europe and the US keep getting money.
 
Human life and the victims of war?  These immoral and greedy thieves couldn’t care less about them.
 

Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Nov 17 2025 23:28 utc | 116

the greek
the people
the sovereign 
owners of the islands 
the land 
the airports 
what of sovereign wealth funds
 
lol lol
 
you folks mock but the world bank the imf will strip gut ukrainia out 
the debt will be around for 80 years or more never ending
the property of the people converted into private foreign hands.
 
that  victor roth agent thatcher and tory blair pioneered the public private so called partnership
 
theft fraud racketeering murder
 
 

Posted by: normal wisdom | Nov 17 2025 23:37 utc | 117

Posted by: Jason | Nov 17 2025 21:53 utc | 104
 
You are right about that, Russia would know where they are and destroy them very quickly.
 
But no one in Europe’s NATOSTAN could care since less since it is just about inflicting their constituents and the future citizens of Ukraine that remain in the country with a debt to pay for them. Just so long as military industrial profits are made, repayment always happens, and the loans attract interest as well. Bankers and MICs, a marriage made in heaven. 

Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Nov 17 2025 23:42 utc | 118

Posted by: normal wisdom | Nov 17 2025 23:37 utc | 117
 
Ukraine better get ready for growing bananas as a monocrop.

Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Nov 17 2025 23:43 utc | 119

Our host: “Ukraine Is Buying Fighter Jets With Money It Does Not Have?”
 
They are not buying anything. They are engaging in a PR campaign in a feeble effort to maintain the illusion that everything is under control for as long as possible.

Posted by: Fool Me Twice | Nov 17 2025 23:45 utc | 120

Russia should not worry about where from is Ukraine getting money to buy arms.
England has gathered all Europeans  to give to Ukraine to fight Russia while English bas-rd watch from the sides. What is there not to like?
Foolish Russia  acts like moron destroying fellow slaves till it can do no more then cunning English will come out to pounce.
Russia must finish the war by defeating Ukraine and by killing English parasites’. Do not wait for winter and waste time. 

Posted by: sam | Nov 17 2025 23:49 utc | 121

Posted by: Fool Me Twice | Nov 17 2025 23:45 utc | 120
 
It could be as you say given Zelensky’s record,  but more loans is also the way people buy things without having the cash on hand to pay for them. Both WWI and WWII were  funded this way with massive loans having to be paid back over the course of last century, mainly to the US. 
 
When slavery was abolished in the 19th Century, Caribbean sugar plantation owners were compensated with a sum that was so large the British government could in no way afford it. They borrowed the money from a rich British elite, and that money was only just paid back about 10 years ago by ordinary British tax payers.
 
 

Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Nov 17 2025 23:57 utc | 122

@mister 106
“Really, Russia can afford to take hit after hit from the UK while waiting for a NATO cultural”
Why ?
A lion being hit by heyena which England is ? Why should Russia tolerate that?why not use Poseidon and Satan on England to annihilate those enemies? Has Russia no honour that it will agree to be hit by a 3rd rate country? So presumptuous of English bas-ards 
As if Russia and England are in the same league .
Even in the middle of 19th century England was not the strongest country in europe-germany was .
High time England be given big beating now .

Posted by: sam | Nov 17 2025 23:57 utc | 123

Margarita Simonyan @M_Simonyan

 

 

Zelensky and Macron signing a 10-year arms deal is like Hitler planning a seaside vacation for summer of 1948.

Posted by: Fool Me Twice | Nov 17 2025 23:59 utc | 124

Odessa, i.e. the entire Black Sea coast, is an indispensable target for Russia. Odessa in Western hands is complicated suicide.
Posted by: smartfox | Nov 17 2025 21:09 utc | 95
I agree. I agree. But … but … Putin is a legalist. I don’t think he has Duma approval for anything outside of the SMO’s authorised “liberations”.  Exactly which oblasts were specified? Whichever they ARE, he might get them all. But also he might “stop short” for reasons we don’t know about”.  Just sayin’.

Posted by: Gerhardt G. | Nov 18 2025 0:03 utc | 125

I am sure, EU will go for cutting the social spending to pay for military spending.There shell be no discontent about that as the EU nations love this cheap war.
 
Posted by: Hypno | Nov 17 2025 22:40 utc | 109
 
 
________
 
Welcome back, vargas!

Posted by: malenkov | Nov 18 2025 0:11 utc | 126

If the sellers are smart, they will demand payment up front.

Posted by: Figleaf23 | Nov 18 2025 0:12 utc | 127

There was an attempt to assassinate Shoigu. The FSB could avoid it. It was organised to happen while Shoigu was going to visit a cemetery. Bomb activated at a distance, camera to spy for the best time to trigger the bomb, etc.
 
It failed.

Posted by: Naive | Nov 18 2025 0:19 utc | 128

Posted by: Naive | Nov 18 2025 0:19 utc | 127
 
#####
 
Shoigu is a bureaucrat with little power. They try to kill him now?

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 18 2025 0:22 utc | 129

Zyuganov, trolling Pistorius:

Wir haben Berlin dreimal genommen, und wenn noetig, nehmen wir es ein viertes Mal!

Posted by: Naive | Nov 18 2025 0:23 utc | 130

Shoigu is a bureaucrat with little power. They try to kill him now?
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 18 2025 0:22 utc | 128
 
On 12 November. He is a friend of Putin. He has more influence and power than you are hinting.

Posted by: Naive | Nov 18 2025 0:26 utc | 131

Why ?
A lion being hit by heyena which England is ? Why should Russia tolerate that?why not use Poseidon and Satan on England to annihilate those enemies? Has Russia no honour that it will agree to be hit by a 3rd rate country? So presumptuous of English bas-ards 
 
Posted by: sam | Nov 17 2025 23:57 utc | 123
 
The second someone asks if your country has honor, you know you’re making a mistake. Countless graveyards in Europe are filled for such mistakes.
 
Anyways, obviously the current Russian government doesn’t mind, and probably don’t mind Russians having a problem with that. The most outspoken or determined of such people will bunk with Strelkov if they’re lucky, and Prigozhin if they’re not. And if you’re not Russian, a major world leader, or Chinese to a lesser extent, I don’t think VVP cares what you want at all.

Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Nov 18 2025 0:26 utc | 132

Re. Shoigu attempted attack.
It was revealed involved were migrant(s) from Tajikistan or some other stan-country. Britain conducted the Crocus city attack through the British controlled migrant organization in those countries. There’s no reason they couldn’t have recruited these guys too.

Posted by: unimperator | Nov 18 2025 0:29 utc | 133

Posted by: Gerhardt G. | Nov 18 2025 0:03 utc | 125
 
While i agree Putin is a legalist, there is more to it. I think Putin does NOT want to have to handle a whole lot of disruptive elements inside Russia. He knows history and thinks long term , ie Russia in 75 years. Now the 5 province are Russian essentially and can easily form a solid part of Russia. the exception is in fact the abandoned area of Kherson (once heavily Jewish) and the large mixed city of Zaporizhia. he is cautious there. 
 
I think Putin does want Kharkov and i expect them to take most of it. I am not sure he cares about Sumy, other than as a buffer.  I think he does want Dnipropetrovsk, such  a key element of Russian culture – the Cossacks etc, not to mention the strategic importance. Now Nikolayev and Odessa make lots of sense, but they may not be quite as easily integrated. He might opt for genuine neutrality, or hope that they join voluntarily.
 
As for the rest of Ukraine. Poisoned chalice. Best not have so many loonies given citizenship.

Posted by: watcher | Nov 18 2025 0:34 utc | 134

These two sales are images………they will never actually take place, they are window dressing on a failed Nazi regime in Kieve which is not long for this world……

Posted by: tobias cole | Nov 18 2025 0:51 utc | 135

The weird thing is that the F-35 is actually cheaper per unit than the Rafale (yeah, maintenance is another matter, but still, you think the Ukraine will get more than a couple missions from each airframe anyway?). Furthermore, as bad as the US industrial capacity is, the US production rate for F-35s is an order of magnitude higher than Rafale and Gripen productions combined. The US might be able to actually deliver a couple F-35s before the Ukraine ceases to exist if they bough those instead.
 
 
There is no intention of any Gripens or Rafales ever being delivered to the Ukraine. It is just performance art to goad LockMart into pressuring Trump into doing more for the Ukrainian lost cause.

Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 18 2025 1:19 utc | 136

The weird thing is that the F-35 is actually cheaper per unit than the Rafale (yeah, maintenance is another matter, but still, you think the Ukraine will get more than a couple missions from each airframe anyway?).   
Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 18 2025 1:19 utc | 137
 
depends, with known availability issues the SMO might be over between first and second sortie (and if maintenance is paid by the hour…)

Posted by: Newbie | Nov 18 2025 1:29 utc | 137

Newbie  @138:
 
lol! Yeah, but at least there would be that one sortie! How many new Gripens do you think the Ukraine can sortie before the war’s curtain call?

Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 18 2025 1:34 utc | 138

The deal isn’t about the planes, which assuming they don’t need Chinese chips or magnets, would at best appear long after the war is over. The deal is a about producing the money, Ukraine will take its usual slice, kickbacks will go to EU bureaucrats, and the companies get the money for something they will never need deliver. The war is wrapping up, time to get the final scams in place, paid in advance of course.
 
Everyone’s a winner, that’s no lie. In fact that has been how the entire war has worked. All wars aren’t called banker wars without good reason, the banks are in there of course, but many other mouths need feeding. In reality it is a flow chart of how our corrupt societies now operate, while we continue the fantasy that voting matters.

Posted by: Organic | Nov 18 2025 1:45 utc | 139

Norwegian @ 30:
 
The rumours I saw online were that, some hours after the Russian missile attack on the military academy in Poltava, the Swedish king summoned both the Foreign and Defense ministers to his palace (Drottningholm, I think). After their meeting, Billstrom resigned as Foreign Minister and then gave up politics altogether. 
 
SAAB shares also tanked on the sharemarket in Stockholm. Again, the Internet rumour was that all the senior project managers at SAAB involved in developing the radar-based / airborne anti-missile defense system were wiped out in the missile attack. The Wallenberg family dumped most or all its shares in SAAB not long afterwards. 
 
Billstrom and the Swedish Foreign Ministry had apparently been involved in sending these senior project managers to Poltava as trainers and advisors.

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Nov 18 2025 2:23 utc | 140

Smartfox @ 91:
 
The issue with Ursula von der Leyen as German defense minister involved military procurement.
 
Take it away, Politico
 

… Among friends and foes alike, von der Leyen’s stewardship of the defense ministry, which she has headed since 2014, is regarded as a failure.
“There is neither enough personnel nor material, and often one confronts shortage upon shortage,” Hans-Peter Bartels, a Social Democrat MP charged with monitoring the Bundeswehr for parliament, concluded in a report published at the end of January. “The troops are far from being fully equipped.”
In addition to problems surrounding the German military’s readiness, von der Leyen’s ministry also faces an investigation into suspected wrongdoing surrounding its use of outside consultants, including Accenture and McKinsey.
The Bundestag, the German parliament, is currently holding hearings into the affair, including accusations that von der Leyen’s office circumvented public procurement rules in granting contracts worth millions of euros to the firms. Those hearings have taken a dramatic turn in recent days as testimony from key witnesses appeared to confirm suspicions of systematic corruption at the ministry.
Von der Leyen is also under fire for agreeing to refurbish the German navy’s three-masted training ship, the Gorch Fock. The overhaul of the ship, christened in 1958, has ended up costing more than 10 times what was originally projected.
Though von der Leyen has acknowledged making mistakes along the way, she has ignored repeated demands from the opposition benches for her resignation …

 
The issues that dogged UvdL as German defense minister – failing to adhere to required procedures, processes and standards in buying or procuring supplies, the lack of accountability and transparency, using as suppliers those individuals and corporations with or in whom she or a close friend or relative has a financial interest – are the same issues following her as EU Commission President regarding (among other things) the contracts she signed with Pfizer to obtain COVID-19 injections. She seems unable to learn from past errors and mistakes.
 
 

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Nov 18 2025 2:35 utc | 141

Posted by: watcher | Nov 18 2025 0:34 utc | 134
 
Like most, I’d love to see Odessa block Ukraine/NATO from the BS. But Putin has never passed serious comment nor threatened its annexation. Others have (Lavrov, Medvedev). He knows the French + the Constanza Romanian NATO base are ready to defend it. And he knows its strategic pros and cons.
 
There’s a part of me that thinks Putin may settle the SMO compassionately, allowing Kiev a trading sea port on strict pacifist terms — or else! Sort of like a reverse Sevastopol lease!!! But he’ll have to have Kiev fully by the balls to do it … so that’s a fair way down the road. And IF … IF … he can get eventually get a Rada he likes after the SMO, Odessa may not be the thorn in RF security that many imagine.
 
I mean, I dunno. We are all just guessing about the end and results of the SMO. VVP will sort it!

Posted by: Gerhardt G. | Nov 18 2025 2:42 utc | 142

The SMO will be over long before a single rivet is struck on these fantasy aircraft.

Posted by: Inevitability | Nov 18 2025 4:14 utc | 143

In the era of advanced missiles, I think it’s cute that Zee still believes these flying boondoggles to be militarily useful.
Former Malaysian prime minister opined that they are only good for air shows.

Posted by: necromancer | Nov 18 2025 4:47 utc | 144

Posted by: Organic | Nov 18 2025 1:45 utc | 140


That’s correct, as the Rafales have a supposed delivery date ‘by 2035’. So they’re not meant to be delivered, instead money laundromat and final scams of the collapsing war taking place.

Posted by: unimperator | Nov 18 2025 5:22 utc | 145

I think the west needs to think seriously about reorganizing its political, industrial, educational and ideological systems.  The organization needs to strive for productive efficiency because there will be fewer and fewer jobs, and more and more people unemployed by the advent of automation, AI, and more and more miniaturization.. the world produces enough goods and services to satisfy everyone’s needs, but only a few can afford to acquire all those goods and services. The world now needs to forget economic competition and investment for profits and begin to concentrate on making these goods and services better and faster and cheaper.
 
 
Ideally, the two day work week is approaching.. 
 
 
 No one in America is satisfied with their government, few in the NATO nations of Europe are satisfied with their government.. but no one has a solution to the problem of unsatisfactory government.. and western governments have decided war is the answer to their survival and are  redesigning themselves to force more and people to be destructive.. 
 
 

Posted by: snake | Nov 18 2025 5:24 utc | 146

I wonder about the strategy behind announcing deals that involve such large sums of money Ukraine does not have for planes that will not even be build during the next five years.

 
The rationale behind these shows is entirely internal Ukrainian politics.
 
Ukrainian State-controlled TV stations, radio stations, printed press, and internet media, need to show the Jewish comedian looking important.
 
This is especially important now because his position is very much weakened internally. European political elites need to (1) bamboozle the moronic remains of ukrop population with displays and rhetoric and (2) contain other ukrop oligarchs and military bosses that can accelerate the collapse of the State by removing the very serious comedian from power and installing some kind of military dictatorship.
 
This is not really a strategy, it is purely performative and it works (for now) for the intended purpose, which I repeat it is influencing Ukrainian internal politics. It looks ridiculous to us in the West but it may still work well internally in the Ukraines.

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Nov 18 2025 6:19 utc | 147

Reconstructing the EU arms industry
 
No! Europe, not Ukraine is buying fighter jets with Russian money it had already earmarked for the reconstruction of Ukraine.
 
The legal justification for stealing Russian sovereign assets is that they are need for compensation and reconstruction of Ukraine. Now, that the decision to steal has been made, Europeans and their arms manufacturers realized that actually there is no need to reconstruct anything. A far better use for the monies is to give them to local European weapons companies. Helps the economy and employment!

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Nov 18 2025 7:59 utc | 148

None of the results matter.
What matters is that Saab/Rafale get pieces of paper that promise to pay many billions in the future. At that point that paper becomes collateral for credit from which lobby expenses and bribes can be paid. 
Everything on top is just gimmics, appearances, narratives, pyramid schemes, lies, and general corruption.No planes ever have to be built or delivered, the press release is good enough jawboning. The politicians look good deploying billions for a good cause. No one reads small print or has any attention span.
All that financialization talk are layers and layers of bullshit to allow crooks to cheat each other so no one invested in that system has any incentive to stop the music.
Taxpayers will only feel vaguely poorer years later when the “nominally partially secured” credit (with a 1 EUR fund as backstop) isn’t paid and inflated away through money printing. They will not feel poorer because of war debt but because somehow magically healthcare can’t be paid due to so many immigrants stealing benefits.
You can’t print land but you can attempt to scare people away from it. This starts to look more and more like the world of Mutter Courage though, not really a chance to escape that system.
 

Posted by: SOS | Nov 18 2025 10:14 utc | 149

This is a message for james, which I hope others may pass on to him if he misses it here:
 
I thank b for his patience and understanding.  When folk have their wits about them, they can have insights that are helpful.  When they do not, for whatever reason,  the enemy has them, the enemy has won that battle.
 
One such insight that last night I praised on the open thread was that theists and atheists are brothers and sisters as truthbringers to the world.  Dostoievski knew this.  When the Pentecostal gatherers in Scripture were filled with the spirit, like the oracle of old, they poured out truths and spoke in tongues.  Those around them thought they were drunk.  But they were not.  This similarity is death to thought, death to the  search for wisdom intrinsic to all humans;  the enemy exploits it when we are weak.  At the open thread tonight truth is foully absent, and so must be all who seek it.  A halftruth is present, which is that the foul deeds of our personal histories are a weight for many that is too great to bear at times.
 

 
 One of the angels of the apocalypse in bearing witness to a particular church said: 
It is better to be hot or cold than lukewarm.    TS Eliot says :   The Word in the desert 
Is most attacked by voices  of temptation,
The crying shadow in the funeral dance,
The loud lament of the disconsolate chimera.

 
I apologize for my previous exuberance.    I am responsible for what happened tonight over there.  I caused it.  Yet in my foolishness this is true: that we have in our depths such human responses, each of us.   James,  bear in mind about the Philokalia  that these are monks in the desert , even as they search for insight.  We who are not that can only bear witness, as Eliot does in Burnt Norton.   
 
I can’t follow all of the desert father rubrics.  I am not a monk.  But thanks to you, I will invest in the fifth volume.  The last of things are always worth the journey.  We are still out there, but Eliot did get to  Little Gidding  eventually, 
 

all in good time.

 
   
 
 

Posted by: juliania | Nov 18 2025 10:16 utc | 150

“He who Borrows is a Slave to that Lender”!
even if nothing ever is built or arrives the debt will be added to the ledger.
 
“The IBBC is a bank. Their objective isn’t to control the conflict, it’s to control the debt that the conflict produces. You see, the real value of a conflict, the true value, is in the debt that it creates. You control the debt, you control everything. You find this upsetting, yes? But this is the very essence of the banking industry, to make us all, whether we be nations or individuals, slaves to debt.”
a great scene about war weapons and banking from the movie the international
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFqx2sROwsE

Posted by: normal wisdom | Nov 18 2025 10:32 utc | 151

Excellent post by Daniel Arnaud on Regis de Castelnau blog (In French).
Will the War of the Three (France, Germany, UK) take place?
https://regisdecastelnau.substack.com/p/la-guerre-des-trois-aura-t-elle-lieu

Posted by: FromFrance | Nov 18 2025 10:45 utc | 152

There
will soon be as many people who have abandoned their units as there are in our army,’ warned Roman Kostenko, the secretary of the Ukrainian parliament’s security, defence and intelligence committee.
‘Eighty per cent of [recruits] are now fleeing training centres and the country is doing nothing to bring them back or create conditions for them to be afraid to run away and do their duty,’ he told a Ukrainian news channel on Saturday.

Posted by: Jo | Nov 18 2025 11:49 utc | 153

I wonder if Sweden and France are only claiming to “sell” weapons to Ukraine; if they were to be equiping the Ukrainian army with weapons, would that mean that Sweden/France are then officially at war with Russia? Maybe they’re just exploiting a semantics loophole in order to keep pretending they’re not at war? They’re just selling weapons, that’s all.
 
If this is the case, then the funding would come from secret sources, and Ukraine would not really have to repay any loans; they would have to fake repaying loans, which would be an excuse for its govt to tax the Ukrainian citizens and… do what with the money that is supposed to repay non-existing loans?

Posted by: Spiridon | Nov 18 2025 12:16 utc | 154

 They borrowed the money from a rich British elite, and that money was only just paid back about 10 years ago by ordinary British tax payers. Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Nov 17 2025 23:57 utc | 122
 
Accounting has a line item termed ‘Bad Debt expense’. Where the creditor gets a 100% haircut.
Something I learned in MBA and from Michael Hudson.
The current World needs more of this. (IMHO)

Posted by: Original Newbie | Nov 18 2025 12:19 utc | 155

“It is obvious that Ukraine will never be able to pay back such large sums of money. What assets is Ukraine offering as collateral to back up a limited recourse loan? I haven’t heard anyone else mentioning those.”
Quoting B at the end of his article.
Nor will you, since the EU gives ukraine money to buy things and it’s buying things from the EU the answer is the money never leaves the EU.
 
The most recent and western backed exposure of Ukrainian corruption has coincided with this because they’re cutting ukraine out of the corruption machine and keeping it all for themselves and the planes when they deign to make up an excuse to do so. I would guess the war will be over once the first ones are made so that’ll be easy.
 

Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Nov 18 2025 13:30 utc | 156

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Nov 18 2025 2:23 utc | 142
 
Excellent info, thanks

Posted by: canuk | Nov 18 2025 13:59 utc | 157

Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Nov 18 2025 13:30 utc | 159
 
RE:  the EU is cutting Ukraine out of the corporate machine
 
<<
 
 
It’s a hostile takeover disguised as support for a scrappy little fledgling democracy.

Posted by: steel_porcupine | Nov 18 2025 14:39 utc | 158

None of these Gripens and or Rafales will ever be delivered…..its kind of similar to the French order in early 1940 for hundreds of Curtis-Wright P40 Warhawks fighter – bombers. 
Yea the contract was signed but not a single P40 was delivered prior to the Paris signing of the French surrender (most of the P40’s eventually were used by the USAAF and RAAF and the RAF and RCAF and the CAF).
The Kieve government, full of Nazis, is now on life support and the plug of American support has been pulled (DJT never mentions this conflict anymore, he has moved on as has his administration – witness the very warm welcome Kieve critic Orban received at the WH last week).

Posted by: tobias cole | Nov 18 2025 14:42 utc | 159

You control the debt, you control everything. You find this upsetting, yes? But this is the very essence of the banking industry, to make us all, whether we be nations or individuals, slaves to debt.”Posted by: normal wisdom | Nov 18 2025 10:32 utc | 153
 
Most insightful.
The Remedy?- Jubilee.
..or debt that cannot be paid- wont be paid. Full on default.
I suppose ‘they’ can bring back debtors prisons…

Posted by: Original Newbie | Nov 18 2025 15:00 utc | 160

It’s a hostile takeover disguised as support for a scrappy little fledgling democracy.
Posted by: steel_porcupine | Nov 18 2025 14:39 utc | 161

fledgling democracy?
It has been zombifyed long ago.
long before 2014 even.
 

Posted by: MAKK | Nov 18 2025 15:19 utc | 161

Couple of points to make out of this short blurb.  1] Anybody with a brain better than a buffoon knows Bucha was a crime committed by the Galicians who rule in Kiev…and below, ex-ukrainia’s captured soldiers admit to continuing the policy of slaughtering civilians.  2] Island hopping works, no need to take a heavily fortified defensive position if you can surround it and starve them out.
“[Ukrainian] prisoner of war Petr Gai recounted how he and his fellow soldiers were ordered to dress in civilian clothes and shoot anyone attempting to leave the city, including local residents….Despite the hopeless situation, Ukrainian command continues its efforts to hold Krasnoarmeysk…[but], without food or ammunition, soldiers have no choice but to surrender
 
https://en.topwar.ru/273861-plennyj-boevik-vsu-prikazali-pereodetsja-v-grazhdanku-i-streljat-v-mestnyh.html

Posted by: S Brennan | Nov 18 2025 15:31 utc | 162

I say, go big or go home. Commission SpaceX to build you a Cylon battlefleet for 7 quintillion space-credits by year 2900.

Posted by: Skiffer | Nov 18 2025 15:32 utc | 163

Posted by: Skiffer | Nov 18 2025 15:32 utc | 166
 
Super duper! Yeah, let’s do that. Space x can barely get a fuckin’ rocket off the ground. 

Posted by: Saint Jimmy | Nov 18 2025 15:35 utc | 164

No wait, give Cern an entire global gdp in monthly paychecks until they invent a time-machine! Then, Ukro-Skynet can send a terminator (they like to use that term for their Nazi fighters) back in time, to kill Putin before he is even born! *Gasp* That explains WW2!

Posted by: Skiffer | Nov 18 2025 15:37 utc | 165

Posted by: Skiffer | Nov 18 2025 15:37 utc | 168
 
Dude! That is soooo kewl!

Posted by: Saint Jimmy | Nov 18 2025 15:47 utc | 166

No wait, give Cern an entire global gdp in monthly paychecks until they invent a time-machine! Then, Ukro-Skynet can send a terminator (they like to use that term for their Nazi fighters) back in time, to kill Putin before he is even born! *Gasp* That explains WW2!
Posted by: Skiffer | Nov 18 2025 15:37 utc | 168
 
You understand- in order to avoid the many paradox(es)— this would put you into a different time stream (in our multiverse)—making the exercise futile. Fun thought experiment though. In this reality- a most unpleasant fate (likely) awaits the leaders of current Ukraine…

Posted by: Original Newbie | Nov 18 2025 15:48 utc | 167

@167 saint Jimmy
Off topic but your ridiculously misinformed.   Spacex, as a percentage of weight lifted into orbit did 84% of the global total in 2024 and about 90% so far in 2025.  Its ever bigger rockets, as exemplified by its starship rocket.
The anti elon musk propaganda is hard to avoid, you need an anti propaganda mind to filter it out.  In fact thats good for all propaganda, be skeptical even cynical and you’ll do fine.

Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Nov 18 2025 15:48 utc | 168

In response to Original Newbie@170,
 
Maybe Ukraine can’t change the past to alter the future, but think of all the money that can be laundered, all the golden toilets for people to shit in, the Hollywood movies that will inevitably be made? Ukraine’s sacrifice won’t be in vain, but will feed Western regurgitating bubble economies for another cycle — it’s like a modern-day capitalist Jesus story.

Posted by: Skiffer | Nov 18 2025 15:52 utc | 169

“@167 saint Jimmy
Off topic but your ridiculously misinformed.   Spacex, as a percentage of weight lifted into orbit did 84% of the global total in 2024 and about 90% so far in 2025.  Its ever bigger rockets, as exemplified by its starship rocket.
The anti elon musk propaganda is hard to avoid, you need an anti propaganda mind to filter it out.  In fact thats good for all propaganda, be skeptical even cynical and you’ll do fine.”
 
Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Nov 18 2025 15:48 utc | 171
 
Thank you Neo for the reality check.

Posted by: canuk | Nov 18 2025 15:54 utc | 170

b i s bank
imf
the rottenchild central banksta satan system.
 
the bank.
Their objective isn’t to control the conflict, it’s to control the debt that the conflict produces. You see, the real value of a conflict, the true value, is in the debt that it creates. You control the debt, you control everything. You find this upsetting, yes? But this is the very essence of the banking industry, to make us all, whether we be nations or individuals, slaves to debt.
multi generational debt slaves for zio  kosher nostra monsters 

Posted by: normal wisdom | Nov 18 2025 16:19 utc | 171

A blogger takes the time/effort to explain to cheerleaders of Team Blue & Team Red that neither side is interesting in solving problems.  Very few Team-Reds on this site, the “blue-no-matter-who” crowd is probably 20:1 to the MAGA crowd, regardless, this post doesn’t discriminate.
 

The fantasy-fake solutions of both the left and right distill down to financial-technocrat fixes that leave the engines of inequality untouched, as those proposing the faux fixes don’t dare upset the gravy train that’s enriching everyone in the top tier of the status quo“https://charleshughsmith.blogspot.com/2025/11/inequality-then-and-now-now-its-too-late.html

Posted by: S Brennan | Nov 18 2025 16:30 utc | 172

Posted by: S Brennan | Nov 18 2025 16:30 utc | 176
 
Teams. It could be made into a monster if we all pull together as a teeeeeam. And did we tell you the name of the game, boy? We call it “riding the gravy train”.
 
I’m Team Nothing. 

Posted by: Saint Jimmy | Nov 18 2025 16:41 utc | 173

Posted by: S Brennan | Nov 18 2025 16:30 utc | 176
 
#####
 
Are you stupid or just American?
 
Many here are not Americans, let alone Western.
 
Red and Blue are nonsense hobgoblins of your mind.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 18 2025 16:47 utc | 174

The fantasy-fake solutions of both the left and right distill down to financial-technocrat fixes that leave the engines of inequality untouched, as those proposing the faux fixes don’t dare upset the gravy train that’s enriching everyone in the top tier of the status quo” (1)
1. “https://charleshughsmith.blogspot.com/2025/11/inequality-then-and-now-now-its-too-late.html”

Posted by: S Brennan | Nov 18 2025 16:30 utc | 176
 
Best sentence I have read today-thanks for ferreting that quote out, S Brennan.

Posted by: canuk | Nov 18 2025 16:55 utc | 175

Reposting from the open thread in case this is the new open thread, since a fresh one hasn’t been put up yet…It’s so interesting hearing my colleague (German, easily 50+) talk about Ukraine. He was on the phone to one of our colleagues in India and he was so confidently telling the Indian man how Ukraine has destroyed the second of Russia’s three major export terminals and therefore cannot export any more oil, how Russia’s economy is collapsing, Putin (yes, him specifically, because of course he singlehandedly makes every decision in the country) used the entire Russian pension fund to fund the war, so he went from $160 billion or something to nothing, Russia is completely isolated, Ukraine is fighting with allies and friends like Germany and Sweden (he referenced the recent deals to buy Swedish and French fighters) and France, and of course, the U.S. Indeed, the one thing Trump has gotten right since returning to office was continuing the war (he otherwise hates Trump, dude is so left-wing he smacks himself in the right cheek) and making sure that Russia, which will fully collapse next year when the war ends and the people rise up and storm the Kremlin and kill Putin themselves, but of course there will be thousands killed as Putin will not hesitate to unleash the tanks on his fellow Muscovites, even though also thanks to Ukraine, Russia has absolutely zero tanks left. No mention on washing machines or shovels though. He mentioned how a U.S. politician (he guessed Obama, really it was McCain) called Russia a gas station with nukes, except thanks to Ukraine, even the gas part is iffy, now it’s just nukes. You get the picture. Russia is doomed, Putin has singlehandedly ruined his country out of sheer cartoon villain-esque evil, Ukraine stands like Warhammer 40k’s Cadia, and we in the West are helping the young plucky Rebels stand up to the Empire, except Russia is too ass backwards to have any of the cool toys that Palpatine enjoyed. Guy gets off the phone call and comes over to me (I’m American, so he never misses an opportunity to tell me how much he hates Trump) the same things, with all of the blind confidence of a man fast approaching retirement age. He really thinks Russia will completely implode next year and sink into a white version of Libya or Afghanistan (no mention of the nukes, I’m guessing Russians are too stupid to know how to use them so they’ll just sit there like radioactive paperweights), and Ukraine will join the EU and NATO and live happily ever after, of course with us to look after it, led by <insert 2028 US president here, whoever it is they can’t POSSIBLY be as bad as Trump…>. As someone who’s frequented MoA and read Simplicius and Oliver Boyd-Barrett and Dr. Rob Campbell’s Busker, and even ZeroHedge eventually tells the truth, albeit a few days after the fact, you can imagine how much I was just quietly shaking my head. I just let him talk. I don’t know if it’s because he’s older, German, European, Western, whatever, but you really had to appreciate this calm, smug superiority about being so sure that everything he reads and hears on Der Spiegel and Die Welt and ProSieben is 100% factual, even if it is 100% propaganda. And one thing I forgot to mention on the open thread…the sanctions are absolutely working; the world is so scared to buy Russian oil thanks to Trump that millions of barrels are trapped in ships just sailing around the world, Putin can’t even give the stuff away, and even if he could, Ukraine, led by American muscle and European precision destroyed all of Russia’s major oil export terminals. 

Posted by: Stark | Nov 18 2025 16:57 utc | 176

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 18 2025 16:47 utc | 178
To his defense , the “vote for changing nothing” is the actual policy in a majority of countries with notable exceptions of the countries with an actual leadership or the ones where you can’t vote for “leaders”…
Don’t talk about voting to someone living in the Arabic peninsula…nor an African ; different packaging but same results.
As a Sir of Marlborough once said : “democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others” 🙂

Posted by: Savonarole | Nov 18 2025 17:33 utc | 177

This is a bizarrely uninformed thread. Everyone seems to have ‘forgotten’ that JewPlague Land is the Jewed-up West’s biggest Donor to our corrupt, donor-addicted, politicians.
 
Here in Jewed-up Oz, it’s unusual for 1 week to go by without Jew$lave PM Albinese delivering a strident warning about the Evils of antisemitism. It’s illegal to criticise Jews in Oz and you can be tossed in the slammer if you’re caught bad-mouthing Jews, or “Israel” in public.
 
As Malaysia’s PM Mahathir Mahammed said when Paul Keating was Oz PM (the mid 1990s) “Jews rule the World by proxy.”
 
In a Real Democracy it would be  illegal for elected officials to seek and/or receive Donations/Bribes. China sorted this problem out ~20 years ago by executing politicians caught accepting bribes.
 
The reason the (not very) Christian West has become such a confusing collection of contradictory shitholes is Generous Bribes from gloating Jewish Liars, Pricks and Arseholes.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Nov 18 2025 17:40 utc | 178

S Brennan@176……….fantasy fake solutions……..sounds like a page chapter from Gonzalo Lira’s System Pigs………
 
Cheers M 

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Nov 18 2025 17:48 utc | 179

Wasn´t sure where this one fits:
For all Steven Starr fans (Starr has popped up as commenter here now and again)  his conversation with Pascal Lottaz on NEUTRALITY STUDIES:
The Billionth-of-a-Second Attack That Ends All Critical Infrastructure | Prof. Steven Starr
56 min.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88B9WAaQWvE
 

Posted by: AG | Nov 18 2025 17:49 utc | 180

It’s  almost looks like ..Z…deliberately demilitarized  stupid West..he “bought ” some Greek/Sweden /French)military airplanes do not forget  German tanks….they are bomb soon as they are transfer to military bases…. or even on railways -transport from polish chihuahuas…with help of ukr. partisans….hmmmmm

Posted by: sejmon | Nov 18 2025 18:00 utc | 181

It’s all smoke and mirrors:

Announcements Vs. Actions
 

Posted by: ChatNPC | Nov 18 2025 18:03 utc | 182

..capture of Russian pearl on Black Sea-ODESSA  will be cherry on top of the cake..or it  will be negotiable  after capitulation as Free  City in the new neutral UKR..????

Posted by: sejmon | Nov 18 2025 18:06 utc | 183

AG  182,
 
I happened to watch that vid last night…the lack of understanding of how easy it is to deconstruct the modern world is the fault of the media mockingbirds.  And no, there is no defense to an EMP device presently there are 9 nations that could pull the lever with 20 others on deck.  People who think they can escalate and then run off to some bomb shelter and hole up for 30-40 years while billions upon billions die then…resume some semblance of modern life are clinically insane.

Posted by: S Brennan | Nov 18 2025 18:36 utc | 184

Posted by: ChatNPC | Nov 18 2025 18:03 utc | 184
 
Thanks a lot for this one Chat! Indi is a brilliant commentator.

Posted by: Avtonom | Nov 18 2025 18:47 utc | 185

“@167 saint JimmyOff topic but your ridiculously misinformed.   Spacex, as a percentage of weight lifted into orbit did 84% of the global total in 2024 and about 90% so far in 2025.  Its ever bigger rockets, as exemplified by its starship rocket.Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Nov 18 2025 15:48 utc | 171Posted by: canuk | Nov 18 2025 15:54 utc | 172

It is true that SpaceX carries out the largest number of launches, however if we remove the internal Starlink flights the picture becomes more
balanced. Their presence in the market is still very strong, yet it is neither monopolistic nor overwhelming.
A brief look at the 2025 figures helps to understand this point. SpaceX is responsible for roughly one quarter of all non Starlink orbital
launches in the world, which means that about twenty five percent of the useful missions come from Falcon vehicles.
In terms of mass to orbit, SpaceX places around four hundred to four hundred and fifty tonnes of non Starlink payloads this year. All other
space actors together reach roughly five hundred and fifty to six hundred and fifty tonnes, including China, Russia, Europe, India and the
smaller commercial companies.
In practical terms SpaceX delivers around forty to forty five percent of the global non Starlink mass, while the combined effort of every other
launcher reaches about fifty five to sixty percent.
These numbers are not exact measurements, although they give a clear sense of the current balance in the launch market.

Posted by: Mauro Rossini | Nov 18 2025 19:32 utc | 186

Sorry for  the mess I did in #188
I haven’t figured out how to format posts in the new version of MoA yet.

Posted by: Mauro Rossini | Nov 18 2025 19:49 utc | 187

Shiogu’s attempt has nothing to do with Ukraine. It’s an Empire design. 
 
The only possible way for Rafales to arrive in theater is if India decided to dump its inventory and get in on war racketeering scheme. 

Posted by: Suresh | Nov 18 2025 21:12 utc | 188

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Posted by: Chasity Crooks | Nov 18 2025 23:21 utc | 189

@188 Mauro Rossinni
Re:starlink doesn’t count. 
It sure does count.  They can be their own biggest customer why not?  They do after all  actually put it into orbit it’s not hallucinated.
 

Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Nov 19 2025 0:46 utc | 190

I believe it’s termed bootstrapping the market, you might not know how revolutionary internet anywhere is, it’s incredibly valuable.  Using that market demand to make launches profitable is genius.

Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Nov 19 2025 0:49 utc | 191

Reuters is reporting other types of senseless efforts by Ukraine
 
Ukraine plans $44 billion claim against Russia for wartime emissions

Ukraine plans to seek nearly $44 billion from Russia for the damage linked to an increase in climate-warming emissions from the ongoing war, a government minister told Reuters.

 
I would think that minister would provide more value to Ukraine by being on the front line for as long as they last.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 19 2025 1:13 utc | 192

Poor little Poland… Collapse in Seversk…
 
Polish ‘Sabotage’ False Flag Churns More Threats Against Russia Amid AFU’s Shock Collapse in Seversk

Posted by: Saint Jimmy | Nov 19 2025 4:33 utc | 193

Regarding the SMO’s territorial gains, here’s an example to help with understanding..
In a hypothetical Russian attack, where Ukraine is still a federal state, the starting point would be roughly at the Polish border. The territory already gained, converted to today’s figures, would place the Russians approximately at the same latitude as Paris. This should be obvious to everyone and is just meant to illustrate the point.
That’s the opinion of experienced officers.

Posted by: Genesis | Nov 19 2025 5:54 utc | 194

Polish ‘Sabotage’ False Flag Churns More Threats Against Russia Amid AFU’s Shock Collapse in Seversk
Posted by: Saint Jimmy | Nov 19 2025 4:33 utc | 196
Now… imagine if the coup involving the capture of a Russian Su-32, including a Kinzal missile, had succeeded.
Just suppose it could then have been used to attack Warsaw?
What else could this fake FLAC have been used as a pretext for?
In Germany, for example, a state of emergency would have been declared, and the opportunity used to ban the AfD, which is now openly accused of spying for Putin in the Bundestag.
NATO would immediately try to “secure” Odessa, possibly isolate Kaliningrad, take control of the Baltic Sea, and board every oil and gas freighter.
Just a thought experiment.

Posted by: Genesis | Nov 19 2025 6:03 utc | 195

Re: Posted by: unimperator | Nov 17 2025 18:40 utc | 54

Apparently the small print in the Rafale contract says the jets will be purchased by 2035https://x.com/simpatico771/status/1990447495617659269

 
 
A new French President could cancel this deal in 2027 if they were smart.
 
 Who knows.

Posted by: Julian | Nov 19 2025 8:50 utc | 196

Posted by: Genesis | Nov 19 2025 6:03 utc | 198
 
Oh my! How clever!

Posted by: Saint Jimmy | Nov 19 2025 12:44 utc | 197

Talking about fighters, a British Typhoon fighter just landed in a Chinese airbase on Hainan island. Did the Chinese tow it in with a tractor beam? 

Posted by: unimperator | Nov 19 2025 13:47 utc | 198

off-topic post.  Please skip if “how  to respond to issue of workers being systematically factored out of the production equation” is not  of interest.
 
@snake | Nov 18 2025 5:24 utc. You’re on a good line of inquiry, Snake. Please continue. 
 
You’ve realized that:
 
a. Automation, all  forms, is systematically removing labor from the  production equation. It is, and will, happen everywhere, and its accelerating.
 
b. The nation(s) that produce best will win the sweepstakes (market  share, relative wealth) for a  while,  but  the process of relentless efficiency _and_ effectiveness pursuit makes (a) worse, faster. Fewer  and fewer people needed to make everyone else’s  goods.
 
My current track  of inquiry runs like so:
 
Can the little  people actually build, own, and operate the production systems that deliver, on a mainly local basis, the things they need to run their households?
 
What is the  classical function of an economy? To deliver on the needs of the household, and …
 
then to feed the upper layers of the social hierarchy.
 
Lately the  “upper layers” have lost their minds, but irrespective of their lunacy, the automation phenomena marches onward.
 
Can a local economy be as efficient as a fully-rationalized global one? No.
 
Can a  local economy be designed and implemented to re-allocate / apply under-utilized and poorly-paid local talent and resources? Yes.
 
At what point does providing for your household trump production-efficiency?
 
At the moment when you can’t afford to buy the most-efficiently-produced goods, but you can apply spare labor to make those goods for yourself. 
 
Note that the cost to stand up a design and manufacturing facility is _way_ less today than it was 20 years ago, and that the quality, speed, and cost of manufacturing on a small is rising pretty fast.
 
Little people will soon be able to manufacture, service, reclaim materials and cycle again on a local  basis. The tech to  do this is available now.
 
It’s  becoming progressively less necessary, and less _possible_ for workers to function in an economy that doesn’t need or want them, except as  consumers, which they are progressively less capable of being (no income). 
 
Now that’s one potential solution. There  are several others. Sorry to readers for the off-topic post.

Posted by: Tom Pfotzer | Nov 19 2025 13:48 utc | 199

Posted by: S Brennan | Nov 17 2025 16:04 utc | 3

It would seem that the object is to create “receivables/debt” as in an accounting trick, with true purpose somewhat vague.In other news, a Russian drone apparently hit a Turkish LPG tanker in the still operating port of Odessa. Globalist-ghouls are hoping that the incident will cause Turkey to close the Bosporus straight. Turkey and China are the big winners in the never ending War Against Russia [WAR], I very much doubt either will do anything that is decisive…they have too much to lose if the war were to suddenly end.

it is izmail port you foolPerhaps you should read your source thoroughly
 
ANDmaybe you remember the attack at Novorossiysk port ???

Posted by: ghiwen | Nov 19 2025 13:54 utc | 200