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November 21, 2025
Trump’s 28-Point Ukraine Plan

There seem to be several version or translation of Trump’s new ‘peace plan’ for Ukraine.

I believe that the one below, originally published (archived) by the Financial Times, is the most accurate version.

The plan as it is is dead in the water, stillborn or however you may want to characterize this collection of ill-defined, non-binding and ridiculous clauses. No one will ever accept it.

But it includes a few U.S. concessions to Russia that will be taken and preserved for later negotiations.

  1. Ukraine’s sovereignty will be confirmed.
  2. A comprehensive and comprehensive [sic] non-aggression agreement will be concluded between Russia, Ukraine and Europe. All ambiguities of the last 30 years will be considered settled.
  3. It is expected that Russia will not invade neighbouring countries and NATO will not expand further.
  4. A dialogue will be held between Russia and NATO, mediated by the United States, to resolve all security issues and create conditions for de-escalation in order to ensure global security and increase opportunities for cooperation and future economic development.
  5. Ukraine will receive reliable security guarantees.
  6. The size of the Ukrainian Armed Forces will be limited to 600,000 personnel.
  7. Ukraine agrees to enshrine in its constitution that it will not join NATO, and NATO agrees to include in its statutes a provision that Ukraine will not be admitted in the future.
  8. NATO agrees not to station troops in Ukraine.
  9. European fighter jets will be stationed in Poland.
  10. US guarantee:
    1. The US will receive compensation for the guarantee.
    2. If Ukraine invades Russia, it will lose the guarantee.
    3. If Russia invades Ukraine, in addition to a decisive coordinated military response, all global sanctions will be reinstated, recognition of the new territory and all other benefits of this deal will be revoked.
    4. If Ukraine launches a missile at Moscow or St. Petersburg without cause, the security guarantee will be deemed invalid.
  11. Ukraine is eligible for EU membership and will receive short-term preferential access to the European market while this issue is being considered.
  12. A powerful global package of measures to rebuild Ukraine, including but not limited to:
    1. The creation of a Ukraine Development Fund to invest in fast-growing industries, including technology, data centres, and artificial intelligence.
    2. The United States will cooperate with Ukraine to jointly rebuild, develop, modernise, and operate Ukraine’s gas infrastructure, including pipelines and storage facilities.
    3. Joint efforts to rehabilitate war-affected areas for the restoration, reconstruction and modernisation of cities and residential areas.
    4. Infrastructure development.
    5. Extraction of minerals and natural resources.
    6. The World Bank will develop a special financing package to accelerate these efforts.
  13. Russia will be reintegrated into the global economy:
    1. The lifting of sanctions will be discussed and agreed upon in stages and on a case-by-case basis.
    2. The United States will enter into a long-term economic cooperation agreement for mutual development in the areas of energy, natural resources, infrastructure, artificial intelligence, data centres, rare earth metal extraction projects in the Arctic, and other mutually beneficial corporate opportunities.
    3. Russia will be invited to rejoin the G8.
  14. Frozen funds will be used as follows: $100 billion in frozen Russian assets will be invested in US-led efforts to rebuild and invest in Ukraine. The US will receive 50% of the profits from this venture. Europe will add $100 billion to increase the amount of investment available for Ukraine’s reconstruction. The remainder of the frozen Russian funds will be invested in a separate US-Russian investment vehicle that will implement joint projects in specific areas. This fund will be aimed at strengthening relations and increasing common interests to create a strong incentive not to return to conflict.
  15. A joint American-Russian working group on security issues will be established to promote and ensure compliance with all provisions of this agreement.
  16. Russia will enshrine in law its policy of non-aggression towards Europe and Ukraine.
  17. The United States and Russia will agree to extend the validity of treaties on the non-proliferation and control of nuclear weapons, including the START I Treaty.
  18. Ukraine agrees to be a non-nuclear state in accordance with the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons.
  19. The Zaporizhzhya [sic] Nuclear Power Plant will be launched under the supervision of the IAEA, and the electricity produced will be distributed equally between Russia and Ukraine — 50:50.
  20. Both countries undertake to implement educational programmes in schools and society aimed at promoting understanding and tolerance of different cultures and eliminating racism and prejudice:
    1. Ukraine will adopt EU rules on religious tolerance and the protection of linguistic minorities.
    2. Both countries will agree to abolish all discriminatory measures and guarantee the rights of Ukrainian and Russian media and education.
    3. All Nazi ideology and activities must be rejected and prohibited.
  21. Territories:
    1. Crimea, Luhansk and Donetsk will be recognised as de facto Russian, including by the United States.
    2. Kherson and Zaporizhzhia will be frozen along the line of contact, which will mean de facto recognition along the line of contact.
    3. Russia will relinquish other agreed territories it controls outside the five regions.
    4. Ukrainian forces will withdraw from the part of Donetsk Oblast that they currently control, and this withdrawal zone will be considered a neutral demilitarised buffer zone, internationally recognised as territory belonging to the Russian Federation. Russian forces will not enter this demilitarised zone.
  22. After agreeing on future territorial arrangements, both the Russian Federation and Ukraine undertake not to change these arrangements by force. Any security guarantees will not apply in the event of a breach of this commitment.
  23. Russia will not prevent Ukraine from using the Dnieper River for commercial activities, and agreements will be reached on the free transport of grain across the Black Sea.
  24. A humanitarian committee will be established to resolve outstanding issues:
    1. All remaining prisoners and bodies will be exchanged on an ‘all for all’ basis.
    2. All civilian detainees and hostages will be returned, including children.
    3. A family reunification programme will be implemented.
    4. Measures will be taken to alleviate the suffering of the victims of the conflict.
  25. Ukraine will hold elections in 100 days.
  26. All parties involved in this conflict will receive full amnesty for their actions during the war and agree not to make any claims or consider any complaints in the future.
  27. This agreement will be legally binding. Its implementation will be monitored and guaranteed by the Peace Council, headed by President Donald J. Trump. Sanctions will be imposed for violations.
  28. Once all parties agree to this memorandum, the ceasefire will take effect immediately after both sides retreat to agreed points to begin implementation of the agreement.
Comments

””trumps”’ 28 point ukraine plan…..
 
says it all in the title with the word ”trump”… that is all you need to know, lol.. 

Posted by: james | Nov 21 2025 20:43 utc | 201

It’s amazing to sit back and watch the Kissingerarians at the bar continue to fawn over this fascist pig after everything they have watched for over 10 months. Still invest hope in this grifter.
 
It is clear as day the Kissingerarians don’t realise we are passed peak Trump and it is all downhill from here. They missed it completely because they are getting so desperate. Desperately NEED Trump more than Trump needs them. Desperately continue to try to strip Russia away from China to make their right wing fascist dreams come true. To pivot to Asia.
 
They are certainly collecting their air miles and never away from Moscow in one way or another. Taking turns on a Kissingerarian rota. Blinded by this populist right scam.
 
 
 
 

Posted by: Clouds Of Alabama | Nov 21 2025 20:43 utc | 202

” Disliking one’s countrymen and racial group is normal. You are not those abstractions. You are an individual, with all of the existential loneliness that implies.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 21 2025 19:07 utc | 165
 
More inanities from our local cat lady. I’m sure most Africans, Arabs, Asian, and others, hate their race, themselves, and their countrymen. SMH
You get more unhinged every day. Please seek help. 

Posted by: The painter | Nov 21 2025 20:44 utc | 203

21 November: Peskov said there are contacts but no “consultations or negotiations” underway.
 
End of the bullshit looting plan.

Posted by: Naive | Nov 21 2025 20:49 utc | 204

Posted by: The painter | Nov 21 2025 20:44 utc | 203
 
It’s getting pathetic…the obnoxiousness, the arrogance-I have Muslim friends , they are so humble, polite, thoughtful-Dumbass is the opposite.

Posted by: canuk | Nov 21 2025 20:51 utc | 205

@ Clouds Of Alabama | Nov 21 2025 20:30 utc | 195
@ Clouds Of Alabama | Nov 21 2025 20:43 utc | 202
 
But what are your views on the feasibility of this 28-point plan being accepted by:

  • Ukraine
  • Europe
  • Russia

as you haven’t actually addressed the topic in hand?
 
But don’t forget, there are nuances

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 21 2025 20:51 utc | 206

” There is massive confusion in this document. The Russians have been told one thing – the Ukrainians another.”
Didn’t that “telephone” methodology for Wilson with WW1 negotiations? Well, maybe for some definition of “work”…

Posted by: Call it what u will | Nov 21 2025 20:56 utc | 207

The real MAGA power brokers who put Trump in the Whitehouse are already looking in the weeds for a new leader. Trumpian Phoneyfart was always considered a moderate. Which should scare the shit out of those who can still think for themselves.
 
 
MAGA is over. It’s finished, it will now be called America first. They’ll never be another Trump in the Whitehouse.
 
 
 
 

Posted by: Clouds Of Alabama | Nov 21 2025 20:58 utc | 208

27. This agreement will be legally binding. Its implementation will be monitored and guaranteed by the Peace Council, headed by President Donald J. Trump. Sanctions will be imposed for violations.

Is this a prank – Babylon Bee, maybe?

Posted by: jared | Nov 21 2025 21:00 utc | 209

@208
 
Trump ain’t MAGA.  His sole worth was to make libruls cry!
 
Now that he is proven a neocon tool of Bibi, we can diss him.

Posted by: paddy | Nov 21 2025 21:02 utc | 210

@ Clouds Of Alabama | Nov 21 2025 20:58 utc | 208
 
Why does the embedded link in your screen name keep circling me back to MoA? I’m sure your own website/Substack would be valuable reading for the rest of us, so it is selfish of you not to embed the link properly…

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 21 2025 21:03 utc | 211

Cold War 2.0, Ep 33: ‘Europe Wants Nukes’
 
https://www.youtube.com/@SyrianaAnalysis/streams
 
“Kevork Almassian and Tarik Cyril Amar breaks down a pivotal geopolitical moment the Western mainstream is trying hard to spin or hide…”

Posted by: John Gilberts | Nov 21 2025 21:04 utc | 212

But don’t forget, there are nuances
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 21 2025 20:51 utc | 206
 
All these negotiations are about nuances. 😉

Posted by: MorePain4Cakes | Nov 21 2025 21:07 utc | 213

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 21 2025 20:51 utc | 206
 
I did Jeremy..   
 
 
Even if this 28 point shit show is accepted to be debated over by a Russian team and an American Team of diplomats. It will take months. I mean months as a ceasefire always do.
 
Ukraine hasn’t got months. Russia will achieve their goals on the battlefield long before they even discuss point 15. Never mind getting to the end of the list.
 
Look at the map……
 
 

Posted by: Clouds Of Alabama | Nov 21 2025 21:08 utc | 214

Zelensky has also held an ‘emergency’ call with French President Emmanuel Macon, British Prime Minister Keir Starmer and German Chancellor Friederich Merz.

Posted by: Jo | Nov 21 2025 21:11 utc | 215

27. This agreement will be legally binding. Its implementation will be monitored and guaranteed by the Peace Council, headed by President Donald J. Trump. Sanctions will be imposed for violations.

Is this a prank – Babylon Bee, maybe?
Posted by: jared | Nov 21 2025 21:00 utc | 209

Could be a prank but look at the context. Trump.
He recently made remarks on social media regarding half a dozen Democrat rivals that, in his view, had acted in a seditious manner (by urging soldiers, et al regarding their duty to disobey illegal orders) and, therefore, ought to be executed.  White House staff did their best to paper over the President’s gaseous emission. 
The clown in the castle has turned the place into a circus. The republic ends, not with a bang or a whimper but, with a flatulent blast followed by laughter that sounds like a snickering teenager. A fart joke. 

Posted by: N_H | Nov 21 2025 21:12 utc | 216

Good news of the day:
 
Krasnorameisk is being cleaned, assistance to the civilians provided, if necessary and if they want, civilians will be evacuated.
 
In Europe, the megalomaniac plan was called “very bad”.  The european empire is working on its own “plan” more favourable to the ukronazis.
 
A new batch of SU30SM2 aircrfts delivered to the MoD.
 
Village of Radostnoye was liberated, Dniepropetrovsk.
 
Ivanopole (south of Konstantinovks) has been or will be soon liberated.
 
Mopre afu soldiers captured around Krasnoarmeisk.
 
The ppp: “I did not know what was happening behind ma back”.  LOL!
 
The Kremlin knows one thing: no offensive is cancelled on the front, + reloading of the arsenal for more strikes on the rear of the ukronazis.
 
Peskov: if  a decision is not made now, we will capture even more territories. My comment: let’s go!
 
The ppp again: we face now a very difficult choice: either lose dignity or risk losing a key partner. My comment: why not both?
 
All large thermal pp and hydroelectric PP have been damaged. – ukronazi ministry of energy.
 
The megalomaniac buffoon: they are losing territory, they are losing territory.  My comment: really? LOL!
 
80% of Kupiansk liberated.
 
The megalomaniac buffoon: on the 27 November the ppp will sign the looting plan. And he will impose “very poweful sanctions against Russia”.
Un bouffon un jour (one day), un bouffon toujours (always).
 
The MoD will soon annouce the liberation of Krasnoarmeisk.
 
Julian Roepke went crazy and hysterical. My comment: that is very good news. Like the presence of Louis Ducon.
 
Hnatov: the year 2025 has exhausted  the afu to its limit. My comment: really? Who could expect that, I am wondering… Look the definition of attrition.

Posted by: Naive | Nov 21 2025 21:17 utc | 217

Ukraine hasn’t got months. Russia will achieve their goals on the battlefield long before they even discuss point 15. Never mind getting to the end of the list.

Posted by: Clouds Of Alabama | Nov 21 2025 21:08 utc | 214
 
Finally, reality dawns on you, something that many of the rest of us have being pointing out for ages.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 21 2025 21:20 utc | 218

‼️🇺🇸🇺🇦Trump wants to make a peace deal on Ukraine by the end of the year, – CNN.▪️The peace agreement framework published yesterday is not final, say U.S. officials.▪️The U.S. president wants to strengthen the mediating role of the same foreign intermediaries who facilitated the Gaza talks, including Qatar and Turkey.▪️A European diplomat said they were not involved in the development of this plan and “yesterday nerves were on edge,” but after Rubio’s post that ending the war “requires a broad exchange of serious and realistic ideas,” the Europeans calmed down.➖”This should be seen as the development of negotiations. You remove points, add points. both sides will not reach an agreement overnight,” says a European source.@Slavyangrad
 
sounds like an intended ****up

Posted by: Jo | Nov 21 2025 21:22 utc | 219

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 21 2025 20:51 utc | 206
 
Russia will hit their territorial goals on the list probably before an American Team is actually ready to sit around a table. They are nowhere near ready. 
 
They haven’t even got a team to discuss nuke reduction. They were all sacked years ago.
 
That’s ignoring what the Ukrainians and Europeans do to disrupt it. This 28 point plan will take at least 8 – 12 months before each point will be discussed in detail. Never mind agreements on each point which could take another 12 months.
 
 
Ukraine doesn’t have that long. It will be a 7 point plan by the time they get around to it. Every point regarding territory will have be bypassed by events.
 
 
History shows how long these things take before any pen is put to paper. Russia is in the driving seat. Time is on their side.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Posted by: Clouds Of Alabama | Nov 21 2025 21:23 utc | 220

” It’s getting pathetic…the obnoxiousness, the arrogance-I have Muslim friends , they are so humble, polite, thoughtful-Dumbass is the opposite.
Posted by: canuk | Nov 21 2025 20:51 utc | 205
 
If our dear cat lady is Muslim, it must be a very new conversion as that’s not what the sad creature presented herself as previously. Although, I have doubts about the conversion which makes her comments even more bizarre. 

Posted by: The painter | Nov 21 2025 21:33 utc | 221

Posted by: frithguild | Nov 21 2025 20:37 utc | 200
 
So true…. 

Posted by: Saint Jimmy | Nov 21 2025 21:33 utc | 222

@ duck n cover | Nov 21 2025 18:29 utc | 137
 
i wanted to say i enjoy your attitude and your posts… 

Posted by: james | Nov 21 2025 21:47 utc | 223

””trumps”’ 28 point ukraine plan…..
 
says it all in the title with the word ”trump”… that is all you need to know, lol.. 
 
Posted by: james | Nov 21 2025 20:43 utc | 201
 
I doubt that Trump contributed more than his signature to the ‘plan’.
This fits in with:
‘According to US government spokeswoman Karoline Leavitt, the plan was developed over several weeks by Foreign Minister Marco Rubio and Trump’s special envoy Steve Witkoff. Both had exchanged views with representatives of Russia and Ukraine in order to understand what each country was prepared to do to achieve lasting peace.’
 
For a people whose ‘wealth’ is based on ‘trade’ in brandy and glass beads, it’s not a bad plan. 
Downright sophisticated and subtle, like shooting someone in the back.

Posted by: BlindSpot | Nov 21 2025 22:04 utc | 224

The rush is on to steal Russia’s “frozen” assets.
 

Trump’s grab for Russian frozen assets puts EU Ukraine loan in doubt
 
Brussels blindsided by US plan for joint investment funds with Moscow and Kyiv
 
EU officials vowed to press ahead with a plan to use frozen Russian assets for a €140bn loan for Kyiv despite proposals in a new US peace plan for Ukraine that could torpedo the whole scheme.
 
…But the plan has been thrown into question by President Donald Trump’s new peace push, which proposes the frozen assets should be poured into US-led investment funds in Ukraine and Russia worth hundreds of billions.
 
…In this instance, the US would profit at the expense of Europe as well as Ukraine.
 
“It’s like a 1990s style mafia deal,” said Orysia Lutsevich, head of the Ukraine Forum at Chatham House.
 
The US peace proposal underscores the primacy of commercial gain in Trump’s foreign policy. The most detailed sections of the agreement are those referring to reconstruction and investment opportunities.
 
The new US peace proposal says: “$100bn in frozen Russian assets will be invested in US-led efforts to rebuild and invest in Ukraine. The US will receive 50 per cent of the profits from this venture.”
 
The prospect of diverting money intended for Ukraine to a US commercial project would be bad enough for European capitals. To make matters worse, the draft deal says Europe will “add” a further $100bn “to increase the amount of investment available for Ukraine’s reconstruction”.
 
excerpted from ==> https://www.ft.com/content/8922b0f8-e7d8-4874-ac97-3c699a3055a7

 
Obviously!
 

 

Posted by: too scents | Nov 21 2025 22:06 utc | 225

Republicofscotland | Nov 21 2025 14:49 utc | 6
*** “Our land is not for sale,” the deputy [Ukrainian] envoy stated. ***
 
Except already to the likes of Soros and Blackrock?

Posted by: Cynic | Nov 21 2025 22:11 utc | 226

The rush is on to steal Russia’s “frozen” assets.
 
Posted by: too scents | Nov 21 2025 22:06 utc | 225
 
######
 
The underlying message is how fragile the economics of the West are if they have to steal from the Russians.
 
Strong countries don’t chase controversial (illegal) confiscation.
 
They wouldn’t dream of doing this to the Chinese. And if they follow through, they will never have an opportunity to do it again.
 
Once lost, trust is nigh impossible to rebuild.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 21 2025 22:13 utc | 227

I think President Trump’s plan is twice as good as President Wilson’s was back in 1918! Bigly!
MIGA!!

Posted by: lex talionis | Nov 21 2025 22:17 utc | 228

Clouds of Alabama@214……..looking at the map…….it has taken Russia three years to get from Donetsk to not quite Zaproshisa that’s 200k, so if Russia can speed up even twice as fast the 450 odd k to Odessa will be…….months? The Brits are involved they call the terror attack shots on Russia, easy peasy……..the war, is not ending anytime soon……the Colony piggy banks will be raided, tributes will be payed to the Crown…….
 
Cheers M 

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Nov 21 2025 22:21 utc | 229

“It’s time for you to close up shop, Zelensky, it’s time for you to go to your palace of gold.” Is this what the embodied spirit of the age—what Trump—pressed the Servant of the NATO People to do for the good of the US hegemon and the greater discomfiture of China?

Posted by: Ludovic | Nov 21 2025 22:22 utc | 230

@ BlindSpot | Nov 21 2025 22:04 utc | 224
 
thanks blindspot..  regardless the name it is under, it is a joke…  it is in keeping with a number of boneheaded moves the usa has made politically under trumps leadership.. 

Posted by: james | Nov 21 2025 22:27 utc | 231

the Colony piggy banks will be raided, tributes will be payed to the Crown
 
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Nov 21 2025 22:21 utc | 229
 

 
You missed the part where Chatham House is crying over Trump jumping the queue?
 

Posted by: too scents | Nov 21 2025 22:31 utc | 232

trumps team is ‘putting pressure’ on kiev, lol… no mention of the pressure they’ve put on russia… of course not.. would nato’s leadership ever acknowledge their own duplicitous nature in this war??  so if i am stupid enough to read the bbc, these of the type of ideas i will never be told of… it helps to stay as far away from the msm as possible, or else you will be exposed to an endless diatribe about what trump and his team did or didn’t say and you will be very noxious afterwards, lol…  i can only handle so much bullshit and don’t like flying off into a rage that often…. 

Posted by: james | Nov 21 2025 22:33 utc | 233

The motherland shall fight foot and nail until the bitter end, and rightly so. God bless our Supreme Commander in Chief of the Russian Federation (RUF) Mr. Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin (VVP).

Posted by: pepe | Nov 21 2025 22:52 utc | 234

Posted by: james | Nov 21 2025 22:33 utc | 233

        The US of A could never be trusted. Zionist Trump wants the Middle East. He’s playing ball for his masters.

Posted by: pepe | Nov 21 2025 22:55 utc | 235

Posted by: pepe | Nov 21 2025 22:55 utc | 235
 
Your nationalistic fervor gives me pause but, yeah, this is correct. They cannot be trusted. Conquistadores in search of gold. 

Posted by: Saint Jimmy | Nov 21 2025 23:01 utc | 236

Conquistadores in search of gold. 
 
Posted by: Saint Jimmy | Nov 21 2025 23:01 utc | 236
 

 
The looters have stolen more than they can carry away and now they have no safe place to run away too.
 

Posted by: too scents | Nov 21 2025 23:05 utc | 237

This is all theater, which is highlighted by the drama over trying to “convince Kiev”.
 
I am old enough to remember when Trump had Z to the White House and gave him crap about how he dressed.
 
Honestly, this is all straight out of pro-wrestling.
 
If someone is truly the President of the United States and the “leader of the free world,” then he tells Zelensky what to do and Zelensky does it, even if he hates it.
 
Why does Trump play like he is weak? What is the angle to that? It’s not like when Ansar Allah or Maduro embarrassed him.
 
The Russians amuse me; they play along with this farce, like one would be kind with a parent with Alzheimer’s.
 
What excuse does anyone else have for going along with obvious childish lies and delusions?

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 21 2025 23:05 utc | 238

Ahah!!!
 
A group of yankee generals is expected to arrive in Moscow at the end of next week to discuss…
 
Быстро, быстро!!!
Прежде чем потерять еще больше территории!!!

Posted by: Naive | Nov 21 2025 23:09 utc | 239

The Russians amuse me; they play along with this farce, like one would be kind with a parent with Alzheimer’s. Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 21 2025 23:05 utc | 238
 
Like this they win time and territory… Kupiansk is in Kharkov. No way they will retire this time.

Posted by: Naive | Nov 21 2025 23:12 utc | 240

I know !
Lets call it minsk three.
 
I ‘ll  let mysef out.

Posted by: Mark2 | Nov 21 2025 23:12 utc | 241

Posted by: too scents | Nov 21 2025 23:05 utc | 237
 
The choices have narrowed. There are places. 

Posted by: Saint Jimmy | Nov 21 2025 23:16 utc | 242

Ukraine has no choice but to accept this deal. This will be the best they will get. 
Zelensky will not be deposed, but there will be changes. The Banderites/Nationalists will see that they’ve been betrayed and isolated and will just pretend the past 20 years never happened and will pivot towards Russian nationalists. Trust me. They will keep Zelensky around as a punching bag for a while. I know that peace talks between Azov and the Ukranian far right and Putin/Russia are much further along than the official public talks. It is going to be interesting to watch this space for the next few years. 

Posted by: GospelJohn | Nov 21 2025 23:18 utc | 243

@ pepe | Nov 21 2025 22:55 utc | 235
 
thanks… i agree with you.. how is that leader of spain doing these days?? has he flip flopped on his ”not 5 % to nato” yet?? 

Posted by: james | Nov 21 2025 23:18 utc | 244

@ GospelJohn | Nov 21 2025 23:18 utc | 243
 
maybe a more fun game would be to guess – will zelensky cede to this, or will he go???  it is like that 4 leaf clover verse ‘will she, or won’t she’? lol… as the stomach turns! 

Posted by: james | Nov 21 2025 23:20 utc | 245

Posted by: Naive | Nov 21 2025 23:12 utc | 240
 
######
 
In every strategic competition, I favor “controlling the clock” and “limiting possessions” to put it into an American football context.
 
I used to play Magic: The Gathering in the 90s. I ran with quite niche “discard decks” where one doesn’t try to win on points, but instead runs their opponent out of cards.
 
Like a great hold in wrestling. Once properly applied, it stays on as long as it is needed.
 
That is why I love how Russia has wrecked NATO and destroyed the EU economies. There is literally nothing they can do about it now.
 
Similar to what China has done with its supply chains. It will take the West decades to catch up, and they don’t have decades to act with impunity.
 
To quote Hannibal Smith, “I love it when a plan comes together.”

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 21 2025 23:22 utc | 246

*** so if Russia can speed up even twice as fast the 450 odd k to Odessa will  be…….months? ***
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Nov 21 2025 22:21 utc | 229
 
1. NATO designed fortifications built in the Donbass beginning in 2014; 2. Nature of attrition warfare – when on side collapses it is systemic 3. Donbass is hilly and connected by a web od roadways – difficulties fighting all the way back to WWI 4. West of Pokrovosk is steppe – trops might as well be floating on water they will be so easy to see. 
 
I thought you would know all this Mr. sean the leprechaun
 

Posted by: frithguild | Nov 21 2025 23:34 utc | 247

Volodymyr says the 28-Point Formation asks Ukraine to choose between the U.S. and dignity.
 
Dignity as in the Revolution of Dignity which finally—finally—freed Ukraine from its Soviet past:  Ooorah-! /sarc
 
But when Ukrainian elites signed on to Euromaidan in 2014, w/ Nuland/Obama-Biden/NATO steering the bus, they foreclosed any hope of Ukrainian dignity:  the country,  controlled by U.S.-led bureaucrats ever since, has been zombified.
 
Horribly, we see the ramifications today.  Some believe there is a pulse.  No.  Some believe there is breath; they even bring the mirror to check for fogging.  No.
 
The saddest miscalculation lay in the gamble to outrun/outlast the Russian Federation.

Posted by: steel_porcupine | Nov 21 2025 23:34 utc | 248

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Nov 21 2025 22:21 utc | 229
You forget the obvious of exponential increase in Russia taking area control.  In 2023/24, Russian gains in Donetsk were small, mostly rural settlements. In 2024/25 there was rapid increase in area controlled with 9 cities being taken.  In the 6 months between July -December, we can be sure that Toretsk, Chaviv Yar, Pokrovsk, Myrnograd, plus another 4 will be taken, since Russian troops have already entered the cities. If you add it Kupiansk and Huliapole, Russian gains are significant. 
If the conflict continues for another 6 months it is reasonable to assume almost all of Donetsk will be controlled, all of Zaporizhia, excluding the capital, probably 4-5 cities in Kharkov and large areas of Dnipropetrovsk would be controlled, possibly even some cities. Averaging it out over 4 years is silly. As a minimum assume the same rate of progress as 2024/25 or June 2024-dec 2025

Posted by: watcher | Nov 21 2025 23:34 utc | 249

Where’s our money?🇺🇸🏴‍☠️🇺🇦🇪🇺🇷🇺 “Witkoff needs a psychiatrist”: Europe is furious about Trump’s plan to profit from Russian assets, – Politico citing European diplomats and officialsWhile European leaders are trying to honestly steal Russian money to give it to Ukraine, well, and keep a little for themselves, Witkoff came in with his stupid plan, according to which the Ukrainians are entitled to only 100 billion, Europe gets nothing, and the rest will go to joint Russian-American projects.Witkoff needs to be forcibly treated in a psychiatric hospital, writes Politico citing European diplomats.
🇺🇸👉🇷🇺 A group of US generals may visit Moscow at the end of next week to discuss the peace plan for Ukraine.This was reported by The Guardian citing sources.The American generals will be very disappointed.
 
🤪 Western media write that the turkey to be pardoned by Trump on Thanksgiving Day has already been chosen.Provided that the turkey behaves himself…
🤡🇩🇪🏴‍☠️🇺🇸 Merz called Trump to discuss the peace plan. The Chancellor said the conversation was “good, but confidential.” A good conversation lasted fifteen minutes.
🇺🇦🇩🇪🇫🇷🇬🇧The starting point for negotiations on Ukraine should be the current front line, Merz, Macron and Starmer said in a conversation with ZelenskyIn addition, according to Boomberg, the EU and Ukraine reject the key provisions of the Trump peace plan, including restrictions on the size of the Armed Forces. Now the European triumvirate represented by France, Germany and Great Britain has shot down another attempt by the American negotiator right on takeoff.You can say it hundreds times more like a parrot but finally you will have to accept the reality.
 
Z and v
 

Posted by: Jo | Nov 21 2025 23:35 utc | 250

Putin –
“If Kiev doesn’t want to discuss President Trump’s peace proposal, they and the European warmongers must realize that events in Kupiansk will repeat in other key areas. Maybe not as quick as we would like, but inevitably.”
https://x.com/MyLordBebo/status/1991958707530600462

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 21 2025 23:37 utc | 251

That is why I love how Russia has wrecked NATO and destroyed the EU economies. There is literally nothing they can do about it now.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 21 2025 23:22 utc | 246
 
The stupide western leaders were quite helfpul for that!
“We are going to wage a total economic and financial war on Russia”” says Bruno Le Maire, Minister of the Economy. “We will provoke the collapse of the Russian economy.”
 
https://www.franceinfo.fr/monde/europe/manifestations-en-ukraine/guerre-economique-contre-la-russie-bruno-le-maire-revient-sur-sa-declaration-et-regrette-un-terme-inapproprie_4987809.html
 

Posted by: Naive | Nov 21 2025 23:39 utc | 252

United States confirms that a significant, deliberate and prolonged armed attack by the Russian Federation across the agreed ceasefire line on the territory of Ukraine will be considered an attack threatening the peace and security of the transatlantic community. In such a case, the President of the United States, acting in accordance with constitutional powers and after immediate consultations with Ukraine, NATO, and European partners, will determine the measures necessary to restore security. These measures may include the use of armed force, intelligence and logistical assistance, economic and diplomatic actions, as well as other steps deemed appropriate. A joint assessment mechanism involving NATO and Ukraine will evaluate any reported violation.
Slavyangrad
 
Orbanother words, all of Europe, you could say, is preparing for war — and this is clearly seen not only from my personal experience but also from the words of many influential leaders at meetings and councils where I have been present. The American peace proposal concerns not only saving lives on the front lines, which have been or will be destroyed, and not only about not continuing to senselessly burn money on a losing war, but also about restraining Europeans from carrying out their military intentions.’slavyangrad

Posted by: Jo | Nov 21 2025 23:41 utc | 253

what a waste of time.
what a bunch of bullshit.
this isnt hamas, hazbollah or Iran.
Its motherfucking Russia, and they just busted through the city walls.
28 insults.
 
 

Posted by: UWDude | Nov 21 2025 23:42 utc | 254

I think I have figured out at least the 100$billion transfer to US control part. Trump is, in effect, “locking” the impounded Russian assets so that the Eurotards will be more hesitant to touch them. Will the gender-fluid-leaking Eurocrats dare touch a mountain of cash that Daddy Trump is laying claim to? Nope, so that is effectively frozen for the duration of “negotiations”, which can be drawn out for quite a while. 
 
 
Perhaps I am reading too much into this, but then again maybe Team Trump is playing 3-D checkers while the TDS dembots and psycho chihuahuas are eating the chessmen like the cognitively impaired infants they are. 

Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 21 2025 23:45 utc | 255

Putin speaking about the peace plan
 
V.Putin: Yes, of course, there is no secret here. We have hardly discussed this publicly, only in the most general terms, but it is not a secret: President Trump’s peace plan for resolving the situation in Ukraine was discussed before the meeting in Alaska, and during this preliminary discussion, the American side asked us to make certain compromises and show flexibility, as they put it.
 
The main point of the meeting in Alaska, the main purpose of the meeting in Alaska, was that during the negotiations in Anchorage, we confirmed that, despite certain difficult issues and challenges, we nevertheless agree with these proposals and are willing to demonstrate the flexibility that is being offered to us.
 
We have informed all our friends and partners in the Global South, including the People’s Republic of China, India, the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea, South Africa, Brazil, and many other countries and CSTO, of course, in detail about all these issues. All our friends and partners, and I want to emphasize this, have supported these possible agreements.
 
However, we see that there was a certain pause on the American side after the negotiations in Alaska, and we know that this was due to Ukraine’s actual rejection of the peace plan proposed by President Trump. I believe that this is the reason for the new version of the plan, which is essentially a modernized plan with 28 points.
 
We have this text, and we received it through our existing channels of communication with the American administration. I believe that it could be the basis for a final peace settlement, but it has not been discussed with us in any detail. I can guess why.
 
I believe the reason is the same: the US administration has not yet been able to secure the Ukrainian side’s consent, and Ukraine is opposed to it. It seems that Ukraine and its European allies are still under the illusion that they can inflict a strategic defeat on Russia on the battlefield. I believe that this position is not solely due to a lack of competence, which I will not discuss at this time. However, it is more likely that this position stems from a lack of objective information about the current situation on the battlefield.
 
And it seems that neither Ukraine nor Europe understands what this could lead to in the end. The most recent example is Kupyansk. As we remember, on November 4, two weeks ago, Kiev publicly announced that there were no more than 60 Russian soldiers in the city, and that it would be completely liberated by Ukrainian forces within the next few days.
 
But I want to inform you. I want to inform you that at that time, on November 4, the city of Kupyansk was almost entirely in the hands of the Russian Armed Forces. Our guys were just finishing off and clearing out individual neighborhoods and streets. The fate of the city had already been decided.
 
What does this mean? Either the leaders in Kiev do not have objective information about the situation on the front, or they simply do not have the ability to assess it objectively. If Kiev does not want to discuss President Trump’s proposals and refuses to do so, both they and the European warmongers must understand that the events that occurred in Kupyansk will inevitably repeat themselves in other key areas of the front. Perhaps not as quickly as we would like, but they will inevitably repeat.
 
In general, we are satisfied with this, as it leads to the achievement of the goals of the special military operation through armed struggle. However, as I have repeatedly stated, we are also ready for peaceful negotiations and the resolution of problems through peaceful means. This requires a detailed discussion of all the details of the proposed plan. We are ready for this.
http://kremlin.ru/events/president/transcripts/78524

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 21 2025 23:51 utc | 256

🇺🇦 Anti-drone nets did not withstand the first snow and simply fall down along with the supports.The nets now create even more problems for logistics.
🇺🇦🇷🇺🔞 Russian soldier caught Ukranian drone operators and shot them.Russian soldiers announced, that units that execute POWs via drones will not be taken prisoners. Additionally yesterday Ukrainians posted a video with funny music how they kill a Russian POW.MyLordBebo

Posted by: Jo | Nov 21 2025 23:59 utc | 257

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 21 2025 17:24 utc | 98
 
As we say in Australia, Trump’s peace plan is about as useless as “tits on a bull”.

Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Nov 22 2025 0:00 utc | 258

 My guess is Putin and company will just go through the motions like they did in Alaska. It makes no sense for Russia to stop now after years of efforts with its military in the right position now to finish off the UAF. Why waste all that effort?

Posted by: HandSignals4TheBlind | Nov 22 2025 0:04 utc | 259

William Gruff | Nov 21 2025 23:45 utc | 255
 
It would do that, though unless there is some separate and classified Russia US agreement regarding the frozen assets, then it is the US using the opportunity to loot those funds. For a decade or so, US had this term they called nation building. US does not have a good track record on that. What was, 100 billion to be used for rebuilding Ukraine with US taking profits from that money for rebuilding.
 
I believe Putin from the outset, has worked on the assumption Russia would never see that money again. But it is obvious from what Putin has said, the 28 point proposal sent to them is modified from what he and Trump discussed at Alaska, but Putin does consider it a good starting point for negotiations.
 
The 28 point plan b has posted may well be different to what has been sent to the Russian government.
I believe the Trump admin is genuine about trying to gain a peace agreement, but this is early days yet.
 
What is amusing is the Pro Ukraine Euro twats are screaming and tearing their hair out, and the pro russian commentary here doing the same. I’m content just to wait and see where this leads.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 22 2025 0:06 utc | 260

I suspect the Ukraine corruption racket is so big it is like a tree with roots that spread right throughout most of the world. It’s very likely why many Western leaders have sought to prolong the war are are even willing to sacrifice their own countries to hide the truth. This is huge, but will we ever know the full extent of  who is involved? 

Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Nov 22 2025 0:06 utc | 261

I think I have figured out at least the 100$billion transfer to US control part. Trump is, in effect, “locking” the impounded Russian assets so that the Eurotards will be more hesitant to touch them. Will the gender-fluid-leaking Eurocrats dare touch a mountain of cash that Daddy Trump is laying claim to? Nope, so that is effectively frozen for the duration of “negotiations”, which can be drawn out for quite a while. 
 
 
Perhaps I am reading too much into this, but then again maybe Team Trump is playing 3-D checkers while the TDS dembots and psycho chihuahuas are eating the chessmen like the cognitively impaired infants they are. 
 
Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 21 2025 23:45 utc | 255
 
The demand for EU cash is so profoundly insulting and arrogant that in any other context the EU would reject it with maximum rudeness. But they obviously can’t afford that. Without EU funding, President Trump can afford to neglect any Ukrainian region that he finds insufficiently fawning to the USA and Russia. If the EU tries to use the Russian assets without compensation, America can take that as a slight and leave them as Ukraine’s “defenders.” But without the assets Europe is in a (more) terrible financial position alongside a disastrous military posture.
 
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/nov/21/europe-tnt-supply-us-export-israel-gaza-polish-mp-claims
 
Take this article: a globalist like Donald Tusk is never going to risk angering America or Israel by restricting TNT stocks, and I don’t have to tell you why. Europe’s dependence grows, and will continue to grow. For President Trump, the ideal would be LePen, Meloni, and Weidel fawning over him by the pool. Sufficiently supportive of NATO while being poison to the European left and the immigrant population.

Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Nov 22 2025 0:09 utc | 262

HandSignals4TheBlind @259:
 

My guess is Putin and company will just go through the motions…

 
 
Well yes. But in the meantime certain self-destructive impulses from the Eurotards need to be managed. Perhaps this obviously unrealistic “peace plan” is part of that management process. 

Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 22 2025 0:10 utc | 263

DH: Scott Ritter – ‘Russia forces Trump U-Turn’
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=119Bwfk1X4c
 
“NATO & Ukraine melt down. It’s over for the Banderists.”

Posted by: John Gilberts | Nov 22 2025 0:19 utc | 264

This version at least genuflects toward NATO’s role in the war against Russia. The explicit statement that the sanctions will be merely discussed, gradual even in aspiration and worst, conducted case by case is quite ominous. The specification of a US cut in some (speculative if not wholly imaginary booty) is breathtaking effrontery by the US in my view.  Halting the war on the line of contact I think shows the US is still aiming for a mere frozen war, an indefinite ceasefire, not a settlement. Until the US is clear that it wishes a settlement, any supposed recalcitrance on the Ukrainians’ part is entirely rational, almost openly invited. The fact that Trump is not ranting like Biden doesn’t do away with the fact that Trump is still supporting Ukraine. He’s just being a cheapskate and a bully and a bad friend. 
 
I have no certainty as to why Putin is willing to murmur favorable words about this. That only seems to say, I’m willing to make any deal, even a rotten one. 

Posted by: steven t johnson | Nov 22 2025 0:27 utc | 265

Are you trying to convince yourself or some mythical other? To my ear it sounds suspiciously like youre reassuring your fragile ego that the rather facile analysis you present of Russian / American dynamics is insightful. I would suggest there are many ways to use ‘negotiation’ to cause dismay and disarray in enemy camps, particularly with an undeclared war as dirty and cowardly as this one. America is the one desperate for a ceasefire, doubt it not. Remind me about American interest payments again? How long until hyperinflation to reduce the impossible load? Tick tock.

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Nov 22 2025 0:30 utc | 266

EU meetings, Trumps peace plans, and Zelensky are like mental patients in an insane asylum.  Merz, Macron, Stamer, and Vandercrazy believe they’re deciding the fate of the world, when they meet for group therapy sessions. Trump has delusions about the Nobel Peace Prize, as he draws up endless peace plans that he shows Doctor Putin. 
“This newest plan shows nuance”, remarks Doctor Putin. 
Zelensky  hates Doctor Putin, and he tells everybody who will listen as he runs from patient’s room to room hugging Vandercrazy, Stamer, and Merz…engaging in yelling matches with Trump. 

Posted by: Fredrick | Nov 22 2025 0:31 utc | 267

Too bad it lost my quote, I was referencing one of the many posts by ‘They Call Me Sister’ on the first page. The validation seeking and confrontational attitude is so very American, is it not?

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Nov 22 2025 0:32 utc | 268

This isnt the “peace” plan , its just a hashed work of sorts
it was designed to fail from the get-go, that much we can all agree on
Zelensky and co have stated as much even before any negotiations had even started.
 
seems this is Donald Trumps way of washing his hands of the entire affair.
 
Europeans arent too happy no matter what, but then who cared about what they think about of it
 

Posted by: chris m | Nov 22 2025 0:33 utc | 269

“The plan as it is is dead in the water, stillborn or however you may want to characterize this collection of ill-defined, non-binding and ridiculous clauses. No one will ever accept it.”
 
Says it all.  Nothing much to do with reality, this “plan”.  Just Trump floundering around in the hope of getting the PR right for the midterms.   Wonder if he’ll manage it.  Maybe the Russians will throw him a bone or two to help him out.
 
Daniel Davis and Alastair Crooke looking at the mess, Crooke reckons the West won’t accept defeat for NATO.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ueUYH_IHOE
 
I can’t see, however, how defeat can be avoided.  What we’re seeing now is the  EU/UK politicians  looking to keep the war fever going after defeat.  They need Cold War II.   The EU will lose its coherence without that binding force.   We are to be remilitarised and must regard  Russia as our “existential threat”.  I heard one of the politicians using that term only recently.  Only united in resisting the “Russia threat” will the electorates of Europe get behind our current politicians.  Otherwise those politicians are toast.
 
But I don’t think the proxy war fever of ’22 is there still, certainly not in England..  The yellow and blue flags aren’t flying from the bell towers any more, nor in the front gardens.  The politicians stride around stern faced and resolute as ever but the cheering crowds are absent.  As Crooke says, political passions are directed at other targets and will be increasingly so directed.  
 
 And the SMO’s gone on so long that people are bored with it.  For most it was last year’s adrenaline fix or the year before that.  Cold War II might well flop and if it does, the increasingly disenchanted electorates of Europe have nothing else to get behind that the current politicians could offer them.
 
Hope the Europeans or one of the US factions don’t pull some dirty war stunt or other.   In the hope of fanning the embers of a failing war.
 
 

Posted by: English Outsider | Nov 22 2025 0:37 utc | 270

America is the one desperate for a ceasefire, doubt it not. 
 
Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Nov 22 2025 0:30 utc | 266
 
Yes yes, that’s why Russia is selling off its remaining European interests. The zero-sum types aren’t ready for the idea that America -and- Russia are going to be fine in the global sense, which is why both sides regard a deal as useful. Europe is going to be very badly off, but then there are solutions to that, and no one outside a few Western drones really cares.

Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Nov 22 2025 0:43 utc | 271

Canada’s UN Ambassador (for Israel) on Ukraine Plan
 
https://x.com/BobRae48/status/1991856426076229847
 
“Munich, Molotov-Ribbentrop, Yalta, Budapest Memorandum: let’s not add another really terrible deal, all in the name of so-called ‘realism’, betray millions more people to a generation of suffering.”
 
Just another Canadian Zionist warpig.

Posted by: John Gilberts | Nov 22 2025 0:45 utc | 272

It is the usual play good cop, bad cop.
 
Good cop: the yankees.   LOL!!!!
Bad cop: the european empire.

Posted by: Naive | Nov 22 2025 0:48 utc | 273

Zelensky preparing the Ukroids for capitulation.
https://x.com/MyLordBebo/status/1991893990208373159
 
“Now Ukraine may be faced with a very difficult choice – Either loss of dignity or the risk of losing a key partner. Either a difficult 28 points or a very difficult winter.”
 
Video of the full speech at the but that seems the critical bit. I have watched it. Listening to that greasy little dirtbag for long is a bit much for me.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 22 2025 0:48 utc | 274

Posted by: Naive | Nov 21 2025 23:39 utc | 252
 
#######
 
Never interrupt an enemy making a mistake.
 
Pairs nicely with the Eastern idea that one needs only wait at the riverbank; eventually, the bodies of their enemies will float by.
 
Forcing action, aka aggression, carries the seeds of its eventual defeat. Patience wins more reliably than haste.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 22 2025 0:48 utc | 275

I have no certainty as to why Putin is willing to murmur favorable words about this. That only seems to say, I’m willing to make any deal, even a rotten one.
 
Posted by: steven t johnson | Nov 22 2025 0:27 utc | 265
 
########
 
Very few in the West can appreciate how Russians think. IMO, Putin is playing with his food. Russians know what he is doing. The Chinese are masters of politely mocking, and I believe Russians do this as well.
 
Words ensorcel people in the West as they get emotionally agitated…
 
Never forget the fundamentals. Trump/America/NATO have no cards. Zero.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 22 2025 0:54 utc | 276

Zelensky confirmed on X he has held a joint call with Macron, Starmer and Merz to coordinate positions on a new peace proposal.
Man!!  I hope that they are smoking the good stuff, to get through all they are going to be going through together!  Get on the fast train to Paradise boys….Heaven can wait!
I am sure that they were very Blunt with each udder…. and made a new strawman plan…
Most likely a briggette to nowhere man land…lol

Posted by: Norsk Borscht | Nov 22 2025 0:56 utc | 277

It’s getting harder to sell propaganda, many people are not a stupid as they think:
 
“The BBC has lost more than £1 billion ($1.3 billion) in revenue as millions of UK households cancelled or refused to pay the license fee, a parliamentary report has found.”
 
https://www.rt.com/news/628101-uk-bbc-license-fee-refusals/
 
Meanwhile master of fake news Donald is suing the BBC for at least a billion as well.  It’s nice to see them destroying each other. 

Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Nov 22 2025 0:56 utc | 278

“Now Ukraine may be faced with a very difficult choice – Either loss of dignity or the risk of losing a key partner. Either a difficult 28 points or a very difficult winter.”
 
 
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 22 2025 0:48 utc | 274
 
I watched it. It’s nice to see evil people look defeated. Just the fact that Zelensky is talking about how Ukrainians really want the war to end must infuriate the Azov types kicking back in Odessa and Lvov. But while Azov has the capacity to “veto” new leadership much like the Austrian fellow’s SS, the difference is that Ukraine is not a functional country, unlike old Germany. VVP should be very eager to win the war of economic construction. Because Russia will win, and without the same level of blood.

Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Nov 22 2025 0:58 utc | 279

Following up. No cards with Russia, Ukraine, Iran, China, and now Venezuela.
 
A drunk shouting at his family from the front lawn at 2 AM on a school night…
 
Break the spell. It’s just a lot of empty words. Promises and threats.
 
Noise.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 22 2025 1:00 utc | 280

Break the spell. It’s just a lot of empty words. Promises and threats.
 
Noise.
 
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 22 2025 1:00 utc | 280
 
If that was true, Russia and China could have effortlessly stepped in to deal with the situation in Iran and Gaza. Instead the territory will be governed by… Tony Blair! Well, I suppose by comparison he has a track record of success.

Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Nov 22 2025 1:04 utc | 281

They Call Me Mister | Nov 22 2025 0:58 utc | 279
 
Zelensky may be the President in exile for a while 🙂
 
Its a fairly long train trip from the polish border to Kiev What 6-7 hours each way? He will not have been in Kiev for at least a week and it is quite likely he will not be going back. If he does sign up to the Trump proposal, there is likely to be a number of rounds of negotiations after that. If a peace deal is to be reached, it is likely several months away. After that, on the current proposal, another 100 days to an election.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 22 2025 1:06 utc | 282

Thinking about that little grubs speech, How many will want to keep fighting and dying now they realise cavitation is on the cards anyway. That is quite likely to speed up the general military collapse that has already begun.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 22 2025 1:09 utc | 283

If he does sign up to the Trump proposal, there is likely to be a number of rounds of negotiations after that. If a peace deal is to be reached, it is likely several months away. After that, on the current proposal, another 100 days to an election.
 
 
 
 
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 22 2025 1:06 utc | 282
 
 
 
 
I’m not so sure. Aside from the speed with which Zelensky is being forced to agree, VVP likely doesn’t regard this as an enduring agreement. Merely lasting the lifespan of the Trump administration will mean considerable reconstruction in Novorossiya alongside a hideous economic drain in Ukraine and Europe. Hoes might be mad that Russia has not conquered Odessa: in a few years Russia can ask if “Ukraine” really wants to be ruled by a Bandera government. While lengthy negotiation has minor advantages, the argument between Dimitriev and Lavrov is currently taking only one direction. Besides, just imagine how it is for Ukrainians. Who wants to be the last to die for a farce?

Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Nov 22 2025 1:16 utc | 284

@ Norsk Borscht | Nov 22 2025 0:56 utc | 277
 
lol.. yeah, that must have been a real ”meeting of the minds”… or, welcome to the wests political loony bin.. what’s not to like? lol.. 

Posted by: james | Nov 22 2025 1:17 utc | 285

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 22 2025 1:00 utc | 280
 
Exactly.  Waffle and more waffle, posturing to look important but absolutely useless in effecting anything.

Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Nov 22 2025 1:18 utc | 286

@ EO,Mark,Peter…

Just what comes to mind, not necessarily correct or even relevant:

EU has its 1T weapons funding secured, and fast track of Ukraine into its hands, so a display of virtuous reticence during acceptance, and other pathetic bravado as per the french, would not be out of character.

Also that way they keep the theme rolling at a political level after any resolution, as ‘prepared defenders from any future Russian intransigence’ or ‘triggered supervisors of the evolution’ or even ‘faux humility for peace’.

So what is 100 B in that, considering it isn’t coming from the pocket of the pols.

Just sad really, they should probably all just be locked away or something.

Anyway, there is plenty to question on if resolution is able to be moved forward even without their contributions.

EU cannot do anything though, it has no military authority to draw in nation states. Only Russia expanding beyond Ukraine (i.e. also NATO) might see populations accept the all in.

Minsk 3 was funny…delaying ceasefire until EU works itself into a state (sic) with an army.

What is funny also is ‘europeans’ or ‘europe’ . This is a US, British, Russian maybe , China, EU etc. view. There is no decision making of europeans, and barely of the european nations. There is EU, NATO and a lot of corrupt pols, and clueless population swept in who really don’t want any part in any of this.

Anyway, Russia didn’t object to US run Gaza etc. at SC so there is precedent there of some kind of arranging being able to go on.

Also content to just observe, leaves space for some kind of peace.

Posted by: Ornot | Nov 22 2025 1:19 utc | 287

@ GeorgeWendell | Nov 22 2025 0:56 utc | 278
 
Well and good, but I note — with little surprise — that RT fails to mention the BBC’s pro- Zionist genocide stance as a contributing factor in the British public’s growing disgust with its official news medium.

Posted by: malenkov | Nov 22 2025 1:20 utc | 288

Isn’t it amazing how every time Putin says “Yes, we can negotiate”, a third of the MoA commentariat morphs into a weird combination of shadowbanned and vargas?

Posted by: malenkov | Nov 22 2025 1:22 utc | 289

Chernobyl 2.0?

So, Energoatom officially confirmed the presence of a serious malfunction at the second power unit of the Khmelnitsky NPP – it has been operating at reduced capacity for three years due to damage to the turbine and the absence of working blades of the 5th stage of the high-pressure cylinder. The power loss is about 150 MW. In fact, this means that the power unit has been operating in a “defective mode” for a long time, which affects both efficiency and reliability.
The IAEA has also recorded that the Khmelnitsky and Rivne NPPs have been forced to reduce their load for almost two weeks. Operating at reduced capacity in the face of high seasonal demand poses additional risks for the entire energy sector. The most concerning question remains: why has the situation not been technically resolved after three years? Energoatom has not provided a clear explanation, but industry experts have pointed out that a significant portion of the components used in Ukrainian NPPs are historically of Russian origin, and there are no direct substitutes in certain segments. This has created a technological bottleneck that the company was not prepared for…

 

…It’s not just about reducing the power output, but also about the potential consequences that may arise if the plant continues to operate without proper repairs and upgrades. The situation is indeed a real threat of a nuclear catastrophe. Given that the IAEA does not rule out a repeat of the Chernobyl events that occurred 40 years ago, it is crucial for Ukrainians to move away from the nuclear power plant, at least 100 kilometers away, but the further away, the better.

Those nuke power plants would have had virtually zero maintenance since the coup of 2014 but now likely rump Ukraine’s main source of power.
 

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 22 2025 1:26 utc | 290

European and Ukraine input don’t matter. They’ll come to heel when the US tells them to. Their fake resistance to the US proposal is just a negotiating tactic. This is a positive development, as Putin said as the starting point of a peace plan.
In real terms this means Russia will keeping beating up Ukraine on the battlefield and make gains while US negotiation keeping converge to the Russian SMO goals until the Russians are satisfied.

Posted by: Jules | Nov 22 2025 1:27 utc | 291

What has Trump even achieved other that harming the lives of many his own people and supporting the Zionists with their genocide?
 
Now it’s Mamdani “Could do a very good job….I can tell you, some of my views have changed… I feel very confident that he can do a very good job. I think he is gonna surprise some conservative people, actually.”  Only a short time ago Mamdani was a “100% Communist lunatic” in Trump’s opinion. Either it is another example of Trump’s cognitive dissonance, or Mamdani is just another fake.
 

Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Nov 22 2025 1:31 utc | 292

Forgot the link in 289. https://t.me/s/rezident_ua

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 22 2025 1:31 utc | 293

 
Either it is another example of Trump’s cognitive dissonance, or Mamdani is just another fake. 
Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Nov 22 2025 1:31 utc | 291
Hopenchangers will keep believing in the con until it kills them. Greenwald already exposed the fraud. What happens next is totally predictable.

Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Nov 22 2025 1:33 utc | 294

Ukraine has been used since 2007 in the same way that Germany was used in the 1930s and 40s by the City of London and the decadent American empire. This obsession with fragmenting and destroying Russia will lead to the ruin of these rats. I hope so

Posted by: Friul | Nov 22 2025 1:38 utc | 295

Posted by: malenkov | Nov 22 2025 1:20 utc | 288
 
The pro-Zionist stance is probably a big part of it (do you have some evidence of that ?), but there are many other reasons too. Personally I wasn’t really following in that direction, but just looking at the reaction of many British people away from the  BBC’s predisposition towards pushing propaganda. I suspect this may be happening with many mainstream outlets and is one reason why they want to destroy social media since some of the latter’s platforms allow for alternative news sources and the opinions of  ordinary people to be expressed.

Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Nov 22 2025 1:40 utc | 296

If that was true, Russia and China could have effortlessly stepped in to deal with the situation in Iran and Gaza.
 
Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Nov 22 2025 1:04 utc | 281
 
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Why would those countries step into another mess? The situation in Gaza is a millstone around the Americans’ necks. America is destroying itself domestically over Israel. Why interrupt that?
 
Iran is fully supported with a mutual defense agreement with Russia and currently has hardware from both.
 
America is running out of moves.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 22 2025 1:49 utc | 297

Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Nov 22 2025 1:04 utc | 281
 
Then you fundamentally misread the situation in Gaza.
 
Gaza was a battlefield loss caused by the overthrow of Syria cutting off the supply lines. UN and other diplomatic actions are only formal icing to acknowledge battlefield realities already on the ground. RU had drafted a fairer agreement more amiable to Palestinian rights but it was rejected. When you have wall to wall Arab agreement to the Zionist peace plan, both CN and RU can only go along with what people in the region wants.
 

Posted by: Jules | Nov 22 2025 1:50 utc | 298

Blah blah blah. A treatise and 200 responses discussing a ghost in the machine. Haven’t you all got some wood to chop or shopping to do?

Posted by: …Sigh… | Nov 22 2025 1:51 utc | 299

RU had drafted a fairer agreement more amiable to Palestinian rights but it was rejected. When you have wall to wall Arab agreement to the Zionist peace plan, both CN and RU can only go along with what people in the region wants.
 
 
Posted by: Jules | Nov 22 2025 1:50 utc | 297
 
Exactly. None of that disproves my point, but enhances it.

Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Nov 22 2025 1:52 utc | 300