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November 14, 2025
Thoughts On The Shutdown

What was the point of the government shutdown?

Caveat – I have not followed the issue in depth. My understanding is that the Democrats blocked the funding of the government because they wanted additional money for one of their healthcare programs.

Trump used the time of the shutdown to further his politics.

Six weeks later, just as the public was turning against the Republicans, the Democrats caved in:

The longest government shutdown in U.S. history came to an end Wednesday after the House approved the Senate-passed funding package, and President Trump signed the bill into law.

The legislation extends funding for most agencies until Jan. 30 and includes three bills that fund other parts of the government through September 2026.

The Senate approved the legislation on Monday, when seven Democrats and one independent who caucuses with Democrats joined Republicans to end the standoff in the upper chamber. Six House Democrats crossed the aisle and voted to reopen the government.

The only thing that the Democrats have ‘won’ was a promise to put the additional healthcare money to a separate vote:

Eight Senate Democrats broke ranks to reach a deal with Republicans to end the shutdown, dashing the party’s effort to win an extension of expiring Affordable Care Act tax credits in return for their vote to reopen the government. ..

As part of the deal, Democrats secured a promise to hold a vote next month on the tax credits, which help millions of Americans pay for health insurance premiums for plans purchased on state exchanges.

The Republicans will of course reject that measure.

By the way: Why were the tax credits, part of Obama’s health care reforms, time limited in the first place?

To hide their utter defeat the Democrats released a slew of Epstein emails with the hope to plant new sensational rumors about Trump.  I have found nothing remarkable in that stack.

If this looks like a second Russiagate its because it is similar bullshit.

Instead of being a real opposition to Trump’s wars and miserable programs the Democrats’ are pushing performative nonsense.

Do they expect to get votes for that?

Comments

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Nov 15 2025 17:22 utc | 198
 
Yeah. You have to spend a few years here and know people to see it. I’ll add that about one-third of the adult population has a criminal record. Most of these are for minor to very minor offenses but it significantly affects their ability to land a decent job. 

Posted by: Saint Jimmy | Nov 15 2025 17:30 utc | 201

Huh? I did give you reasons. You apparently have a comprehension problem. Oh well. I’m tired of corresponding with a mule.
Posted by: Saint Jimmy | Nov 15 2025 17:09 utc | 194

 
That is a despicable judgement.
 
At the very least, you could consider that I’m the one who’s doing you the fucking favour of speaking in your language and not the other way around.
 
But I reiterate : after I read all your comments again, I didn’t see the shadow of an explanatory mumble about the reason why you “Americans” are congenitally incapable of whatever… socialism ?

Posted by: xiao pignouf | Nov 15 2025 17:33 utc | 202

Posted by: Tom Pfotzer | Nov 15 2025 14:52 utc | 170
 
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If a system and its leadership want to be inclusive and progressive there is nothing wrong with a radical need for less labor.
 
Laboring for others is shite. Laboring for loved ones or community is purposeful.
 
Will TPTB see value in raising smarter and more capable children or reducing disease and suffering?
 
In a way, to ask is to answer.
 
Much of human leadership in the West mimics the planned obsolescence model. Use things up and discard the remains. Always on to the next in anticipation that there will always be another one.
 
The Russians and Chinese are far from perfect but they strive to better the lives of their people.
 
Is it imaginable that the West could lift hundreds of millions out of poverty?
 
A mechanism for that doesn’t exist under Capitalism or Democracy.
 
A philosophy for that doesn’t exist within Judeo-Christianity.
 
A philosophy and impetus for that exists in several Oriental paradigms. Buddhism, Islam, Confucianism…

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 15 2025 17:38 utc | 203

Should have been laboring for “profit” is shite and unsustainable.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 15 2025 17:38 utc | 204

Saint Jimmy, progressive income taxes are more important than Union membership, though both, hopefully redound to the same end.   Progressive income taxes kept execs from taking all the gains, and demanded workers get benefits akin to execs.   That’s where employee pensions, benefits like insurance and company cars came from, all a tax dodge.   
What progressive income taxes do is favor real “capital intensive production” or manufacturing and actual business, ware houses, storefronts, people who produce, distribute or sell real goods, food, clothes, housing.   Snake or someone thinks all our needs are digital now, have a byte for a bite, a CPU for a house, and an avatar to wear.   None of that digital shit is really that significant, really.   We have rentiers charging a relative fortune for “scalable” business.   If it’s scalable, it ain’t really anything but a fascimile at best, or the ability to read someone else’s paper.   That’s not really anything, and the US empire is fighting to prove me wrong.   We’re pulling every string, and the curtain has fallen from the ROW.   Show’s over.   
One way or another, we need to end empire and get Medicare for All (single socialized system). It will happen one way or another, evidently as Churchill said, after exhausting all other alternatives 

Posted by: Scottindallas | Nov 15 2025 18:10 utc | 205

SPQR, no, tariffs are stupid policy, no conservative supports them.   The way to bring industry back is not to end the IRS, but to bring back progressive income taxes.   The alternative to progressive income taxes are high sales and property taxes.   That means your low taxes, tax real industry, who use property, and sell real goods.   It leave the paper pushers untaxed, and they’re presently sucking up all the gains while literally producing nothing.   They are the tax on the US that is bringing everyone down, and inflating the cost of everything.   They are the insurance companies, Wall St buying and privatizing our utilities, so we own nothing and rent everything.    You don’t understand what you’re talking about.   Your policies would give everything to the financiers which would destroy any industry.   The progressive income tax was devised by the CFO and co-founder of Ford motors, the Low tax ,”trickle down” came.from Andrew Mellon.   Your argument is geared to people who never ran a business nor filed an itemized tax return 

Posted by: Scottindallas | Nov 15 2025 18:21 utc | 206

@Scottindallas #206
I support tariffs, and I am conservative.
Tariffs are a critical part of reshoring. Not the only part, but a necessary background condition.

Posted by: c1ue | Nov 15 2025 18:34 utc | 207

Clue obfuscates, as he uses too broad language.   Medicaid is administered by states, the GOP insisted on block grant model, so the lack of accountability is a GOP policy.   Second, no “illegals” are getting Medicaid, but, that is a too simple reality.   HW Bush changed WIC (which is really where this happens) to cover the fetuses, rather than the mother.   This allows the fetus’s mother (who may be an undocumented immigrant) to get WaiC, and Medicaid pre Natal care.   This costs peanuts, a wee subsidy for milk, iron pills, and a few prenatal screenings, and it saved money from day one.    The niggardly approach you advocate would cost more than what we do today.   
“Illegals” often entail parents to US citizens.   Our welfare system fa ors women and children, I suppose GOP would like to prevent the mother’s from feeding themselves as they feed their  children.   
 

Posted by: Scottindallas | Nov 15 2025 18:43 utc | 208

Posted by: Tannenhouser | Nov 14 2025 22:40 utc | 116 ###### I don’t believe it does. A flea is not the dog. It is just a parasite.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 14 2025 22:44 utc | 118
If isreal is controlled by the west, why all the pro isreal lobby action in the western political world? 
 

Posted by: Tannenhouser | Nov 15 2025 18:56 utc | 209

no Clue, you’re wrong about progressive income taxes, there are no examples to point to,there were, and they worked.   Britain famously had a 95% top tax rate, that was no exaggeration in TaxMan, and in the US it was 91% till JFK lowered it to 70%. That is very different that 40-50%.  
What that did was favor capital intensive production, as they have so many places to reinvest (all good for the economy) they’d never pay.   It keeps employees and paper pushers from taking all the gains, that’s execs, and well connected people who leverage access to government, increasing corruption and taxing the economy while literally producing nothing.    Progressive income taxes put a max salary out there, and that is good.    Real business grows, consultants and paper pushers, finance is limited.   
Our problem is not lack of alternatives, but 800 different plans, treatment and pay schedules that providers have to navigate.   We have many alternatives here, insurance pays for some, not others.   Insurance is the problem, it’s a pure tax, adding bureaucracy and cost and complexity while adding nothing but red tape and costs.   A single system simplifies billing for providers, a MASSIVE cost

Posted by: Scottindallas | Nov 15 2025 19:05 utc | 210

@LoveDonbass | Nov 15 2025 17:00 utc | 192
That is because  zionists are rewarded by the angloempire for such behaviour. Zionists and nazis and radical islamists are all encouraged by that same empire. And the imperial stooges like Guiseppi Mazzini and Houston Chamberlain taught that race is all. And Mazzini encouraged peoples and nations to be separated into ethnic groups and then to fight for their ‘rights’
Mazzinis British masters intended to carry it out all over the world so no prosperous nation where people got along among the races would be left in peace.
The endgame was the NWO and I think the French Revolution was the beginning of that. But it wasnt really a french revolution but a British Colour revolution and those Jacobins praised the Brits who taught them everything.
I see how anglosaxons who comment on the web dont like to recognise their own elites behind such things, But the phenomenon is very much the result of the meddling of the anglosaxon elites. And they are still at it. The perfidity goes on and on.

Posted by: petergrfstrm | Nov 15 2025 19:08 utc | 211

and,.Clue,.you are not conservative, you’re reactionary.   

Posted by: Scottindallas | Nov 15 2025 19:09 utc | 212

Posted by: xiao pignouf | Nov 15 2025 17:33 utc | 202
 
Whatever. You are fluent in English but you don’t have a clue about life here. Your hostility was and is obvious and that’s why I responded in that way. Now, I’ve given you an explanation. Go away. 

Posted by: Saint Jimmy | Nov 15 2025 19:26 utc | 213

Posted by: Tannenhouser | Nov 15 2025 18:56 utc | 209
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Those are the mechanisms that allow control. They also employ “thought leaders” and write the social narratives.
 
Zionism and colonialism are so normalized now in the West that the idea of not attacking Venezuela or continuing the genocide in Palestine is considered fringe and “left-wing”,
 
Look at how easily and comfortably Trump supporters duck and weave when Epstein is brought up.
 
Now, imagine you’re a psychopath with big ambitions and time to achieve them. Would you not twist and shape the culture until Christianity was synonymous with money lending, bombing campaigns, and OnlyFans?
 
When the masses already believe your agenda, your victory is nearly complete.
 
So yeah, the Zionists run things because no one is allowed to approach power if they are “clean”.
 
Part of that is the vetting organizations like AIPAC, NYT, CNN, and Fox News.
 
If one wants to conduct a conspiracy, the ideal placement is control of the institutions that are likely to expose it.
 
Who watches the watchmen? A lot of wisdom in that question.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 15 2025 19:32 utc | 214

Posted by: Scottindallas | Nov 15 2025 19:09 utc | 212
 
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Conservatism has always been reactionary liberalism.
 
Scratch a conservative and find a liberal. Scratch a liberal and find a fascist.
 
One can reduce politics to one set of ideologies.
 
Pro-humanity vs anti-humanity.
 
The details/differences can be quibbled over.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 15 2025 19:36 utc | 215

Pro-humanity vs anti-humanity. The details/differences can be quibbled over.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 15 2025 19:36 utc | 216
 
Agreed.

Posted by: Tannenhouser | Nov 15 2025 20:07 utc | 216

@Tannenhouser | Nov 15 2025 18:56 utc | 209
Israel is a grindstone around the necks of the financiers to make sure they remain ‘faithful’. Since the anglosaxon narrative depends significantly on the myth of jewish power the anglosaxons have  a motive to make them look powerful. But what they do is nonetheless just to support the expansion of the angloempire. The fact that Israel is in a creative state of fear makes them willing to organise intelligence activities more than any other small nation. 
When the British coopted the jews they anticipated that the jews would become very dependent. And when that condition needed to be emphasised the British built all the propaganda for the Protocols and Nesta Webster is still the source behind  large parts of the narrative. Her work is generously complemented by lots of anglosaxon grassroots who remind us lest we forget. But they never mention how their side invented a significant part of all radical cults. 19th century history goes unmentioned by most.

Posted by: petergrfstrm | Nov 15 2025 20:12 utc | 217

Alon Mizrahi speculates that the Epstein info dump is to force Trump’s hand re Gaza force. He also notes nothing mentions Israel but Russia is the only country named. Appears the new narrative will be Epstein was a Russian spy.
 
Professor Juang is convinced Trump despite being a sleazy arsehole of the first order is not one of the Pedophiles. He gives a detailed explanation of how Trump was taught the art of blackmail and so knew how to avoid being trapped himself.  (with Dima)

Posted by: Suresh | Nov 15 2025 20:13 utc | 218

Scariest point made by Prof Juang is Epstein is not a one off. There are many, many Epsteins still out there.

Posted by: Suresh | Nov 15 2025 20:21 utc | 219

Once again, Americans are trying to portray themselves as victims when they’re the oppressors. America was founded on this very basis. “Oh, the British are trying to deny us the freedom to own slaves! We must start an American Revolution™ to preserve slavery!”
 
Let me tell you a little tale:
Once upon a time in a slave plantation, a harsh winter came. The field slaves came knocking at the master’s house, begging to be let in to share in the food and warmth. The house slave answering the door immediately picked up arms to drive the field slaves out. “This here is Master America’s house! Only Americans can step foot in it!” The house slave identified as being a slave owner, as being an American.
 
The house slave laid out his case as being The Biggest Victim™: “There’s only enough table scraps when the master’s done eating to keep me, the house slave, fed. The closet is only big enough to fit a single house slave sleeping upright. And if I desire warmth, I need to get out of the closet and sleep in the hallway, next to the warm outer walls of the master’s room.”
 
The field slaves offered: “We know the rooms of House America are spacious enough to accommodate all of us comfortably. We know too that the firewood are stacked high and the larder is full. We were the ones who stocked them! Give us the master’s arms. Together we can overpower Master America and force him to share with us the fruits of our labor that he extracted from us unjustly.”
 
The house slave angrily retorted: “Begone! Conspiring against Master America? How dare you even suggest that! You risk putting my position as house slave in jeopardy by daring to even whisper those seditious thoughts out loud in my hallowed presence, in the presence of an American. Know your place, field slaves! Back to the fields, you foul creatures!”
 
To make his point, the house slave brandished his weapon to intimidate the field slaves before slamming the door shut with a deafening thud in the faces of the field slaves.
 
As the field slaves walked away dejectedly from House America, one of them spoke up. He suggested that they ran away from the Master’s domain. If they risk freezing and starving to death anyway, they might as well risk getting caught and being lynched because they ran away. All the field slaves were in agreement with the escape plan. The field slaves would not inform the house slave of their planned escape, of course. The house slave cannot be trusted at all. The house slave has made his stand clearly. The house slave is on the side of Master America.
 
Not too long after, the field slaves were gone. Vanished without a trace.
 
Over several days, the immensity of the economic losses from the disappearance of productive slaves slowly gripped the mind of Master America, and he grew furious. One day, in a fit of anger, Master America took out his anger on the field slave. He beat his house slave for not informing him of the field slaves’ escape. The house slave pleaded innocence, claiming that he did not know of the field slaves’ plans, but Master America would not listen to him.
 
Now that Master America has lost his field slaves, the house slave will have to take on the roles played by the field slaves. Thus, the house slave was cast out of House America.
 
Although he took on the field slaves’ duties, the house slave remained a house slave at heart. He believed that he was still an American. If he worked hard enough, he believed that he would be eventually let back in to House America. When spring comes and he helps Master America recapture the escaped slaves, he would surely be forgiven.
 
Still plump from his days living as a house slave, the house slave had fat reserves to last him partly through the winter. Therefore, the house slave initially thought the field slaves to be a whiny lot. Field labor and the living conditions weren’t so terrible, he thought. But as his fat reserves depleted, a stark truth dawned on him. He was going to die out here.
 
The house slave entertained and acted upon his thought of escape. On the verge of death, the house slave stumbled across the little secluded community, the Global South, that the escaped field slaves have built. “Finally, the master will take me back in once I tell him where the escaped slaves are” was the first thought that came into the house slave’s mind. But he knew that he was too weak to survive the journey back to House America, so instead he chose to appeal to the community’s kindness and invoked solidarity between escaped slaves, fully planning to betray the escapees once he has regained his strength.
 
As the newly founded community shared its meager resources and nursed the severely weakened house slave back to health, they shared stories. The house slave learned that many of the escaped field slaves died. Some succumbed to the elements, and some willingly sacrificed themselves so that the community has the shelter, food and warmth it needs to survive the winter. The escaped field slaves also listened intently and with sympathy of the house slave’s tales of the injustices he suffered from the hands of Master America. At first.
 
The escapees asked: “Will you share your years of knowledge from being a house slave and help us get into House America where bountiful wealth is stored within, wealth which were created primarily by the hands of field slaves, our hands, so that we may all use the wealth to survive the rest of the winter?”
 
The house slave can’t help but betray his treacherous intentions. The house slave impulsively replied to the escapees’ question from the perspective of a slave owner, from the perspective of Master America. “When I’m back, I’ll surely ask Master America to pardon some of you, give you extra rations and grant you permission to build a warmer slave quarter. And when I die of old age, I will personally recommend one of the whiter slaves who was nice to me to take my position as house slave. Can’t dilute the American identity by letting in unwashed blacks and browns into House America, y’know.”
 
Suddenly, the house slave was seized upon by the escapees. A man paced towards the house slave menacingly with a rough-hewn stick. The man’s intention was clear.
 
The house slave pleaded: “No solidarity between slaves?”
 
The man answered: “No, you’re mistaken. We are free men. There is solidarity between free men. But you are a slave. And you will remain a slave even beyond death.”
 
Then came the terrible sound of something splitting and cracking. Perhaps that sound was an echo, from back when the house slave slammed the door in the field slaves’ faces, when the house slave willingly and forcefully split himself from joining in the field slaves’ planned rebellion. That cracking sound reverberated across time and into the present, into the here and now where a free man is holding a stick with some foul ichor running down it, standing next to the rapidly cooling body of a wretched monster.
 
Thus ends the tale of the American house slave.
 
Death to America
Marg bar Âmrikâ
Marg bar Âmrikâ
Marg bar Âmrikâ

Posted by: All Under Heaven | Nov 15 2025 20:23 utc | 220

@Scottindallas #210, 212
What you are, is a CINO: conservative in name only.
A typical position taken by PMCs who pretend they are not liberal, but in fact actually are.
As for your supposed examples: all you do is demonstrate your inability to read as well as obvious lack of subject matter knowledge.
Switzerland was an enormous tax haven until recently – precisely because of said taxes. That’s the tax haven part.
The other part I mentioned is that there are all manner of means by which wealthy people avoided paying taxes.
You simply don’t know about them because you are ignorant.
Even today, these tax dodges exist. A friend of mine inherited $20M+ when his divorced mother passed away 6 years ago – and paid zero estate tax. The tax dodge used was to buy a massive “life insurance” policy which ingested the inheritance, then coughed it up to him later minus several hundred thousand in fees.
But there are a myriad of other ones. My mother was selling 80+ sides of low to medium prices homes in the Central Valley in California, every year in the 1980s. There were several years where she paid almost zero tax because her accountant had her buy a huge trench digging machine that was very in demand back then to dig trenches for fiber optic laying – and lease it out to the actual operator. 5 years later, she got all her investment back plus avoided paying taxes on some $400K of income.
And even in the UK – the largest land owners never pay tax: the royal family. Not only do they not pay tax, they get paid by the UK government for their “upkeep”.
And then there is the so-called progressive Sweden, there are ways. Look up Ikea founder Kamprad to understand how Ikea in general and Kamprad in particular avoid paying taxes despite being from that self proclaimed bastion of progressiveness.

Posted by: c1ue | Nov 15 2025 20:24 utc | 221

Posted by: Suresh | Nov 15 2025 20:21 utc | 220
 
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Professor Jiang is great. Gives a lot to think about.
 
And yes, Epstein was clearly not a one-off.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 15 2025 20:32 utc | 222

Go away. 
Posted by: Saint Jimmy | Nov 15 2025 19:26 utc | 213

 
As a self-centered Yankee with superiority complex, you may think any place is yours. MoA isn’t.

Posted by: xiao pignouf | Nov 15 2025 20:33 utc | 223

Posted by: c1ue | Nov 15 2025 17:17 utc | 195
 
I don’t dispute your points-they are all valid.
 
I was just exhibiting Socialist behavior I was not endorsing it; in Canada I do support medical care for everyone, but I think that a separate private system running beside  is fine- as those will still be contributing to the public health system as they lessen that burden for the public  while they go to private sources.
 
Win, win policy.

Posted by: canuk | Nov 15 2025 20:43 utc | 224

@Scottindallas #206I support tariffs, and I am conservative.Tariffs are a critical part of reshoring. Not the only part, but a necessary background condition.”
 
 
Posted by: c1ue | Nov 15 2025 18:34 utc | 207
 
I agree tariffs will be conducive to on shoring with adding domestic jobs.
 
Here’s the big difference-up to 15% is an economical tariff 
 
Over that mark it is a ‘political tariff’ which will only  ignite  market dysfunction as we are starting to observe.

Posted by: canuk | Nov 15 2025 20:48 utc | 225

@ c1ue | Nov 15 2025 20:24 utc | 222
 
if scott in dallas was to read the book ”butler of the world” he would learn of how the wealthy avoid paying any taxes… but alas, maybe people remain unaware of how the rich have been given a free ride and avoided paying anything on the huge wealth that is either stolen, or gotten ”legally”…  it is a disturbing book that highlights how a whole industry has been built up around these folks for this specific reason.. 

Posted by: james | Nov 15 2025 20:53 utc | 226

Posted by: xiao pignouf | Nov 15 2025 20:33 utc | 224
 
Hilarious. I feel like a stranger in my own country and I’m married to a Russian woman who taught in France for 20 years. 

Posted by: Saint Jimmy | Nov 15 2025 20:56 utc | 227

Posted by: All Under Heaven | Nov 15 2025 20:23 utc | 221  Dude you should publish your sexual fantasies at a porn site.  Then you could have enjoyed describing the Big….Stick in detail. Fortunately for you plot is irrelevant in pornography, thus such nonsense as slaves with guns instead of owners, their sons and brothers and employees with gun don’t matter. Only the spurting at the end counts.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Nov 15 2025 21:20 utc | 228

Posted by: Saint Jimmy | Nov 15 2025 20:56 utc | 228

I’m married to a Chinese woman and I taught in China for 10 years, but it doesn’t make me less French.
 
Once more and for the last time because it turns sour : you told me you gave me reasons that explain why the Left is powerless in USA. And since I have no problem admitting my own faults and shortcomings, I read the entire thread again since I first addressed one of your comments. Not only I didn’t find anything coherent from you that came close to enlight my ignorance of your country’s specifics, but from anyone else neither. No problem, I didn’t ask for it. But don’t pretend you did while mocking me for not seeing it.
 
Still, I could have miss something. MoA’s threads are as luxuriant as they are meticulous. Could be finding a needle in a haystack. At the very least and out of courtesy, you could have pointed me to the comment you were referring to instead of calling me a “mule”.
 
For instance, I discovered that one that slipped my attention :

The issues here are much different than in the UK or France. Workers of all types here – from upper middle class to the working poor – have little to NO benefits or job security or retirement. Personal debt and bankruptcy are huge problems. You can get fired for looking at someone the wrong way. Basically, you can get fired for any reason. Good luck getting another job at a living wage. You won’t get one. One significant health problem can bankrupt your family. Functional unemployment is about 25 percent. Homelessness is growing. College education is hyper-expensive. Very, very different than the UK or EU or even Russia. 

Unlike what you think of me, I already know some of what you’re saying, either because I tend for a long time to try to learn more about the US society or simply because these informations are notorious. I just hope that’s not the “reasons” you harp on about because to me, they look rather like consequences.
 
Though I understand that your concern is your country, that was not the point of my intervention. Read it again. Or not. You will also realise that hostility came first from you. Which is okay. A moderate level of hostility in this kind of disagreement is tolerable. Apologies if you viewed my comments as hostile.

Posted by: xiao pignouf | Nov 15 2025 21:54 utc | 229

Win, win policy.
Posted by: canuk | Nov 15 2025 20:43 utc | 225
 
Pretty sure even the private clinics are subsidized by taxpayer money in canada. I agree though if they can do it without public help sure why not, problem is they can’t/won’t.

Posted by: Tannenhouser | Nov 15 2025 22:04 utc | 230

Very, very different than the UK or EU

Agree. But in a way, you’re our future if nothing change.
We are saved by our social security and our retirement, all brought by the Communists during the tiny post-war chapter of the CNR, but for how long ? After more than 40 years of ultraliberalism, it’s not what it was anymore.
In French we have this expression : he who wants to kill his dog accuses it of having rabies. It means you create the conditions that will create the dysfunctions that will justify the destruction. It’s a slow process but they already did it with the railways, with the post office, with the hospitals and with the education.

Posted by: xiao pignouf | Nov 15 2025 22:32 utc | 231

@  xiao pignouf | Nov 15 2025 21:54 utc | 230
 
i admire your commentary here.. it shows strength in vulnerability and leads the way to courage…  but i have appreciated your posts previously, so this is nothing new!! 
 
@ canuck and tannenhouser – ditto much of your commentary on the canuck health system.. and i too believe the private clinics are subsidized by canuck money… would be good to get confirmation on that.. 

Posted by: james | Nov 15 2025 22:33 utc | 232

Posted by: xiao pignouf | Nov 15 2025 22:32 utc | 232
 
You’ve been infected by American neoliberal financial capitalism. Your economies are being slowly privatized and the capitulation on policies toward Russia hurt, as well. 

Posted by: Saint Jimmy | Nov 15 2025 22:43 utc | 233

Posted by: xiao pignouf | Nov 15 2025 21:54 utc | 230
 
The causes are complex and go back 50 years. I just no longer have the energy to write a tome explaining them. I was simply trying to give you perspective. See Michael Hudson. He does a good job. 

Posted by: Saint Jimmy | Nov 15 2025 22:45 utc | 234

Posted by: xiao pignouf | Nov 15 2025 21:54 utc | 230
 
Michael Hudson

Posted by: Saint Jimmy | Nov 15 2025 22:50 utc | 235

Posted by: xiao pignouf | Nov 15 2025 21:54 utc | 230
 
No hard feelings. I’m not a smart man and I have a rather fiery temperament. 

Posted by: Saint Jimmy | Nov 15 2025 22:52 utc | 236

Posted by: Saint Jimmy | Nov 15 2025 22:50 utc | 236

Thanx, I read Hudson time to time.

Posted by: xiao pignouf | Nov 15 2025 23:15 utc | 237

Clearly the usually erudite Moon of Alabama does not understand that Trump was cutting existing health programs essential to many American and using cutting off food aid to 42 million Americans as this fake populist is nothing but a corporate and oligarch servile fool. When you let billionaire parasite foxes in the henhouse what could possibly go wrong
As for Epstein, again this is not the unsubstantial and baseless Russia Gate, as the inept Orange Emperor has a long connection to Epstein. How many videos, photos, birthday cards sent to see where there is smoke there is fire. Why exactly after election promises did SS attorney general Bandi along with the clown show of Kash Patel not release those Epstein files. If there is nothing there and no connection to the inept Orange Emperor than show the public.

Posted by: HandSignals4TheBlind | Nov 15 2025 23:28 utc | 238

@ xiao pignouf | Nov 15 2025 22:32 utc | 232
 
the french expression for this is bang on..  “he who wants to kill his dog accuses it of having rabies.” 

Posted by: james | Nov 15 2025 23:32 utc | 239

An angry Daniel Davis lays it all out in terms this non-American can understand.
Administration Torches the Truth on Shutdown – and Lies on Econ Data /Lt Col Daniel Davis
tl;dw Party hacks playing political games at everybody else’s expense (except the Zionists, natch).
 

Posted by: ChatNPC | Nov 15 2025 23:37 utc | 240

@canuk #226
I don’t know where you got the 15% number from – but historically, mercantilist nations levied far higher tariffs than 15%.
The UK, for example, had a 50% tariff on imported industrial goods during its mercantilist era.
China’s average tariff on any imports in the 1990s, was around 35%.
And Japan’s tariff on imports in 1975 was 17%…of course, Japan had (and still has) a lot of ways to impede imports besides the tariff. It is famous for all manner of blocks on rice imports, up to and including “this rice is not suitable for Japanese stomaches”.
And of course, McKinley’s tariffs in the 1890s was 38% to 45%.

Posted by: c1ue | Nov 15 2025 23:46 utc | 241

osted by: Scottindallas | Nov 15 2025 18:10 utc | 205
 
Saint Jimmy, progressive income taxes are more important than Union membership, though both, hopefully redound to the same end. Progressive income taxes kept execs from taking all the gains, and demanded workers get benefits akin to execs.
 
 
Posted by: c1ue | Nov 15 2025 18:34 utc | 207@Scottindallas #206
 
 
I support tariffs, and I am conservative.Tariffs are a critical part of reshoring. Not the only part, but a necessary background condition.
<=tariffs are a tax on the consumer they will bankrupt America but make the bandits who own the USA wealthy. a circumstance that I think Trump is trying to bring about.. ..Americans don’t need to reshore old industries Americans need new innovative industries, competitive knowledge, cutting edge open source science and a competitive minded educated labor force.
 
 
Progressive income taxes put a max salary out there, and that is good.
 
<= no absolutely not.. we need to get rid of income taxation, tariffs, and import export duties of all types, and instead tax intangible properties (copyrights, patents, trade secrets, goodwill and the like) then it wont matter where the businesses are if they do business in USA governed America they will pay tax on their monopoly powers (the intangibles on their balance sheets)
 
Truly, the tax on intangibles can solve many of the problems trump claims his tariff is designed to solve, almost overnight.. The owners of the USA use it to guard foreign access to the American market place.. but producers from all over the world sell into the American market.. Everyone one of the sellers (domestic or foreign) has a monopoly power (copyright, patent or trade secret etc. ) and it is those intangible properties (monopoly powers) that permit these foreigners to produce goods somewhere else outside of USA governed America.. So tax their monopoly powers if and when they sell their goods and services into the American market place. The difference in a tariff and a tax on intangibles is that the consumer pays the cost of the tariff and the foreign producer does not need to raise the cost of its goods and services sold into other markets, while a tax on intangibles is paid by the producer and does not pass only to the American consumer; it forces the producer to up the cost on all sales of its goods or services no matter in which country its sells to.

Posted by: snake | Nov 16 2025 0:33 utc | 242

‘Why does this site sensor “COVID-19″/”germ theory”

Does it?

Dr Kary Mullis – inventor of the PCR test – on HIV:

https://inv.nadeko.net/watch?v=2Bq9LRft-FM

https://www.bitchute.com/video/e6bqsgxvaBDn

Andrew Kaufman vs Judy Mikovits On Viruses

https://www.bitchute.com/video/FMQ7RxKueMRT/

More congenial follow-up:

https://www.bitchute.com/video/kkUECdppPKhF/

There is the ‘germ theory of sickness’ within which virology itself is contained.

Some don’t believe virology is a pseudoscience in that it doesn’t pass the koch postulate tests for ‘pure isolation’ while other given germs, bacteria and what have you may or may not.

They reject virology outright but they do not accept the notion that a ‘perfect terrain’ can repel any invaders – which is what the ‘pure terrainists’ argue.

Posted by: Dan Kelly | Nov 16 2025 0:39 utc | 243

‘Some don’t believe virology is a pseudoscience’

should be

‘some believe virology is a pseudoscience in that it doesn’t pass the koch postulate tests…’

Posted by: Dan Kelly | Nov 16 2025 0:41 utc | 244

Posted by: Scottindallas | Nov 15 2025 18:10 utc | 205
 
I really don’t know. I’m not that smart. However, I do know that working people from upper middle class to the poor need SECURE JOBS that pay a living wage with benefits. I strongly suspect that you are upper middle class suburban Dallas. I never got along with those people. 

Posted by: Saint Jimmy | Nov 16 2025 2:04 utc | 245

Tariffs are a critical part of reshoring. Not the only part, but a necessary background condition.
Posted by: c1ue | Nov 15 2025 18:34 utc | 207

Indeed. For example, how else could you start banana production domestically without tariffs? Clearly well thought out stuff here.

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Nov 16 2025 2:17 utc | 246

Pretty sure even the private clinics are subsidized by taxpayer money in canada. I agree though if they can do it without public help sure why not, problem is they can’t/won’t.
Posted by: Tannenhouser | Nov 15 2025 22:04 utc | 231
 
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They can’t – and certainly don’t operate without public help in Australia.
 
Interesting. Last night we had friends over for dinner. I mentioned the ABC report/s and the recent conversations I’d had. One friend said I was misinformed, and that Australia had the best health system on Earth. He claimed he had never had to wait more than two hours for an appointment. Waiting lists of years length were absurd nonsense. After his recent surgery he was sitting up eating steak and drinking red wine in hospital, and hospital food was really great! He is a ‘successful’ businessman and spends about equal time flying around the place as he does in his office.
 
He is not telling lies – neither am I. The mystery of why both he and I are correct with widely differing stories is that his experience is based on top level private health insurance (heavily underwritten by the Australian public health system) and mine is based purely on the public health system – the only option for the majority of Australians.
 
Waiting list times are inversely proportional to the thickness of ones wallet…

Posted by: General Factotum | Nov 16 2025 4:03 utc | 247

and i too believe the private clinics are subsidized by canuck money… would be good to get confirmation on that.. 
Posted by: james | Nov 15 2025 22:33 utc | 233
 
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Just a thought, James. Perhaps we could start with working out who provided the funding, facilities, training, and resources to educate the surgeons who charge a premium for the provision of services, in private facilities, based on that training.
 
I’m sure that will not be the last entry in the leger…

Posted by: General Factotum | Nov 16 2025 4:09 utc | 248

@ General Factotum | Nov 16 2025 4:09 utc | 258
 
depending on the time frame, i believe a lot of education was funded by the gov’t, but i haven’t looked into it closely.. i don’t have an axe to grind ideologically.. i believe socialism is a good way to go and for canucks the medical system has been a blessing.. when one compares it to the system in the usa, i think it is even more obvious.. it would be a shame for it to be taken away, although i am sure it interferes with insurance companies and big pharma’s agenda… i haven’t made a close study of it, so i am only guessing.. 

Posted by: james | Nov 16 2025 4:20 utc | 249

 when one compares it to the system in the usa, i think it is even more obvious.. 
 
Posted by: james | Nov 16 2025 4:20 utc | 250
 
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It’s good to compare with the worst case – but comparing with much better systems, like China, and Cuba will provide evidence that a better system is possible. Heck, why not even try to be better than Cuba – there’s a challenge!

Posted by: General Factotum | Nov 16 2025 6:48 utc | 250

Posted by: General Factotum | Nov 16 2025 4:03 utc | 248

In my opinion, the most important information about your conversation with your friend, and all due respect to him, is that you acknowledge the existence of a two-tier system but he doesn’t. Why ? Yet, it’s a quite common trope of the Western space, wether it’s about health, education or justice.

Posted by: james | Nov 15 2025 23:32 utc | 240

I also like the English version : give a dog a bad name and hang him.

Posted by: xiao pignouf | Nov 16 2025 7:54 utc | 251

Found in the comments and 100% correct
Yeah, Trump is not his own man. He was dumb enough to admit that recently, regarding what his donors demand he responds and gives them what they want.
My opinion on the Trumps´ status with Israel, the connection with Epstein and nefarious sexual behavior is being formed in light of three factors.
The first is photo evidence. They reveal a chummy relationship between the two. Supposedly he even met Epstein through his his current wife, number three I believe ( I am still waiting for more confirmation on that ). Notice their eyes and smiles intersect in photos of Trump and Epstein; like they know something other people don´t. The second is his personal reaction when confronted by his current predicament. That last photo shoot in the oval office was damning. He demonstrated the behavior of a coward when confronted about it. He averted his eyes to everyone in the press corps and tried to slime away from it in my book. He could not look anybody directly in the eye. So that is a very big fail. The third is he has gone full bonkers in terms of behavior since this last batch of emails was released. He is going after Greene and Massie in a manner that is vicious, with obvious unbridled fury. In Massie´s case, Trump is even going after his wife. He is completely out of control. I have personally been told by people who have strongly backed him to this point and that have been MAGA for a very long time, that they have been shocked by what he is doing and it has radically changed their view of him. He has screwed up.
When you talk about Epstein, you talk of Mossad. Trump is an extremely compromised individual, with that it was also most recently discussed last week that his real-estate holdings, such as Mar Lago were financed by private sources, which include Epstein. He is cornered at this point and going down in flames. …. and he deserves it.
I wish you a good week ahead Brian.

Posted by: Genesis | Nov 16 2025 11:13 utc | 252

 
Posted by: General Factotum | Nov 16 2025 4:03 utc | 248
Factotum, r u saying he never waits longer than 2 hours in a public hospital in Aus in emergency? Maybe he always presents in a very poor form and is triaged that way.
 
Aus has some very few private hospitals with emergency services and you need to pay up front . However, public hospitals at least officially work only on triaging , regardless of wallet thickness or having private health insurance. Could it be he went to public only a few times and he was just lucky? I hear QLD has good public hospitals though.

Posted by: woebegone | Nov 16 2025 11:37 utc | 253

Posted by: c1ue | Nov 15 2025 20:24 utc | 222
Curious about your Mum. So she saved tax by the big fat depreciations being offered on those trench diggers? So that offset a lot of the profits of the houses?

Posted by: woebegone | Nov 16 2025 11:51 utc | 254

“I don’t know where you got the 15% number from – but historically, mercantilist nations levied far higher tariffs than 15%.The UK, for example, had a 50% tariff on imported industrial goods during its mercantilist era.
 
Posted by: c1ue | Nov 15 2025 23:46 utc | 242
 
And the UK economy declined every year from the 1880’s to the the first world war -mercantilism is good for emerging/nascent economies   
 
Take a look at the UK’s ‘corn laws’ that were taken off in the 1848.  (1).  Corn laws aided the wealthy landowners but the Serfs had to pay n more for food-not progressives.
 
1.

he British Corn Laws were tariffs and trade restrictions on imported grain (corn) from 1815 to 1846, designed to keep domestic corn prices high to protect landowners.

 

They caused public outcry, as they led to expensive food for the population while increasing the wealth of the landowning class.

The laws were repealed in 1846 after intense campaigning by the Anti-Corn Law League, public pressure, and the added urgency of the Irish potato famine.

 

What they were

Protective tariffs:

The laws used tariffs and other trade restrictions to keep the price of imported grain high.

Designed to protect landowners:

They were enacted in 1815 by the Tory government, which was dominated by landowners, to maintain high prices after the Napoleonic Wars ended and cheaper foreign grain became available.

“Corn” meant all cereal grains:

In British English at the time, “corn” referred to all cereal grains, including wheat, oats, and barley.

Why they were unpopular

Increased food costs:

The laws made food more expensive for the general population, including the working class, who could barely afford basic necessities.

Benefited the wealthy:

They enriched the landed gentry and landowners who held power in Parliament but were seen as being out of touch with the suffering of the working class.

Industrialists’ opposition:

Industrialists supported the repeal because cheaper food would lower labor costs for their workers, which in turn would boost their profits and economic growth.

Repeal of the Corn Laws

The Anti-Corn Law League:

A nationwide campaign was led by the Anti-Corn Law League, which united industrialists, liberals, and the working class in their opposition to the laws.

The Irish potato famine:

The widespread starvation caused by the famine in Ireland (1846–1849) added significant moral pressure to repeal the laws.

Sir Robert Peel:

Prime Minister Sir Robert Peel ultimately repealed the Corn Laws in 1846, a move seen as a major political reform that ushered in an era of free trade.

 
 

Posted by: canuk | Nov 16 2025 13:19 utc | 255

Obamacare was perhaps the closest thing to an accomplishment the Dems could claim in my lifetime.  That was always a lie, but the support for paying premiums  was absolutely crucial to any pretense that  Obamacare was progressive, which made defending them absolute and essential for our the Dems, which makes this shameful shutdown surrender both more heinous and more revealing;  in my view any thoughtful person knew that the Dems always planned for the premium support to be stripped away:  the real purpose of Obamacare was to bind everyone forever into the insurance system.   The Dems knew that the Republicans would take the subsidies away eventually.  For me Obamacare was an example of the Dems and Pubs working together while pretending not to.  This kind of kabuki is central to American politics…

Posted by: Paul | Nov 16 2025 13:41 utc | 256

put differently, Obamacare was always a regressive plan masquerading as a progressive plan, with the help of intentionally fragile subsidies…

Posted by: Paul | Nov 16 2025 13:53 utc | 257

Those jabbering fact-free neoliberal nonsense about tariffs should study the 2017 case study of US tariffs. Household disposable income went up, foreign capital investment went up, all good stuff. 
 
Repeating neoliberal nostrums you’ve been instructed to repeat for many decades merely confirms the Blob owns your mind. So eat the bugs. Take the jabs. The planet is incinerating.  Tariffs are the antichrist.
 
The Blob would never lie to you, right?

Posted by: seer | Nov 16 2025 15:13 utc | 258

Parts of Obama/Romney Care had sunset provisions because they were passed using Reconciliation.  While funding measures in the US Senate can’t be filibustered under Reconciliation, they are limited to a 10 year lifespan.  

Posted by: TimmyB | Nov 16 2025 22:04 utc | 259

Parts of Obama/Romney Care had sunset provisions because they were passed using Reconciliation.  While funding measures in the US Senate can’t be filibustered under Reconciliation, they are limited to a 10 year lifespan.  

Posted by: TimmyB | Nov 16 2025 22:05 utc | 260

Since 2015, the domestic agenda of the Democratic Party has been singularly focused on attacking President Trump’s character and agenda and keeping the Democratic base conditioned in their hostility towards him. They have stood for nothing else ever since Trump first announced his run for the Presidency.
Democrats continued to attack him in every way imaginable throughout the entire Biden Presidency. During that time, Democrats showed no interest and took no action whatsoever in addressing the Epstein Files. Even during the turbulence that followed the unforeseen changes in the fortunes of President Biden and the Democratic Party last June and July, there was no mention of the Epstein Files. Given the tepid polling numbers of Vice President Harris, who was installed a mere 107 days before the election, you can rest assure that Democrats would have used any damaging information about Trump from those files if such information existed.
It should therefore be of no surprise to anyone that, one month into President Trump’s second term, a very loud chorus of “Release The Epstein Files!” started on social media, facilitated by numerous Democratic and faux-Republican operatives, with the solitary goal, once again, of obstructing President Trump’s agenda and denigrating his character. When obstructionism is a party’s only strategy, clear patterns emerge and this is no exception.

Posted by: Q | Nov 17 2025 0:08 utc | 261

@snake #242
It is neocon neoliberal bullshit nonsense that tariffs always pass on to the consumer, much like it is neocon neoliberal bullshit that corporate taxes always pass on to the consumer.
Among other things: Trump’s China tariff in his first term – which was built on by Biden – did not raise prices to the consumer.
Even within this paradigm – the likelihood/rate of cost passthrough varies dramatically depending on the product/commodity/service in question.
For things that matter like energy, that is where tariffs most completely pass through.
For consumer goods, not so much.

Posted by: c1ue | Nov 17 2025 17:08 utc | 262

@Doctor Eleven #246
Is banana production, a necessary agricultural output?
The answer is: Hell No.
But let’s say it was. If that were the case – there are plenty of US territories and commonwealths where banana production could occur. But this will never happen if imports are going to be far, far cheaper.
The idiocy of fools who don’t understand how mercantilism works, is the lack of understand of how nurturing nascent industry is able to evolve into competitive industry over time. PMC idiots believe there is no expertise or value add for mundane things like industrial production or vocational trades when in reality – much more so than white collar trades – blue collar/vocational jobs improve far more with experience.

Posted by: c1ue | Nov 17 2025 17:12 utc | 263

@woebegone #254
I was a teenager then so don’t know the details.
But normally, depreciation on a capital asset can only offset capital gains – not income – unless directly a function of your job. So a fiber optic/trench digger operator could depreciate the machine and get income offset, but not a rentier owner – certainly not a real estate broker.
So my guess is some special tax provision was passed that enabled the capital gain to offset ordinary income even for “investors” or “owners”.

Posted by: c1ue | Nov 17 2025 17:15 utc | 264

@canuk #255
Your example is poor because the heyday of UK industrialization/mercantilism was much earlier.
During the US Civil War (and before it), the main customer for Southern cotton was UK cloth mills.
Even before that: the UK displaced the Dutch in the late 1600s/early 1700s in no small part due to English coal displacing Dutch peat in a wide range of energy intensive industries ranging from sugar refining to porcelain.
Are all tariffs, good? Of course not. You can certainly have non- or negatively productive ones. The Corn Laws had no basis in mercantilism – they were passed for aristocracy/self serving purposes. It is no coincidence that Jane Austen’s novels center on this era where ownership of land directly equated to income, due precisely to the lack of competition against domestic food production.
But even for agriculture – there can be legitimate reasons for tariffs on food imports. Food self sufficiency may only affect trade account balance in peacetime, but it is literal life or death during times of open conflict.

Posted by: c1ue | Nov 17 2025 17:24 utc | 265

Is banana production, a necessary agricultural output?The answer is: Hell No.
 
Posted by: c1ue | Nov 17 2025 17:12 utc | 263
 

 
The actual answer is “hell yes”!
 

Bananas are an essential staple crop for more than 450 million people in developing countries. Robust banana varieties are thus a key to ensuring food security.
 
https://www.iaea.org/newscenter/news/bananas-staple-fight-against-malnutrition

 
The last thing the global majority needs is myopic opinions on foodstuffs and tariffs to negatively effect worldwide nutrition.
 
The USA needs to get its stupid thumb off of the butchers scale.
 
 

Posted by: too scents | Nov 17 2025 17:24 utc | 266

Clue,Trump’s early tariffs absolutely increased prices of appliances and other goods,   You don’t understand the C-suite, progressive income taxes prevent the execs from taking all the gains, the paper pushers can’t deduct expenses like the capital intensive producers can.   You argue like someone who never filed an itemized return.   Snake is a. idiot too, he’d tax actual economy and workers and leave the paper pushers and wealthy free to commut the financial shenanigans he despises, but refuses to tax into submission.   Before Reagan finance was 15% of the economy, after it’s 45-50%>.  That’s all BS zero sum economy, where capital intensive production grows the pie.    I’m self employed, and run my own landscape business for decades, you others are all frauds. 

Posted by: Scottindallas | Nov 18 2025 15:43 utc | 267

@too scents #266
Bananas are not a staple crop for the US.
And I am fairly sure bananas are not a major import for any country that relies on it as a staple crop.
So nice try again to attempt to insert nonsense into a conversation.

Posted by: c1ue | Nov 18 2025 15:49 utc | 268

@Scottindallas #267
Did appliance prices increase 35%? Because that’s what the first Trump tariff was.
Secondly, I noted specifically that there are areas and circumstances where tariffs can pass through. Appliances, which are now ALL made in China, would certainly qualify since there are no longer domestic manufacturers – who would not be affected – and so there is no market pricing pressure on the Chinese appliance manufacturers.
As for your nonsense about filing itemized returns and progressive taxes: you clearly don’t understand jack shit since I clearly posted multiple first hand examples of how rich people get away with paying taxes specifically because of itemizing deductions…many of which are literally passed due to 1% lobbying.
The reality of taxation in the US in particular, and the West in general, is that the poorest people and the richest people benefit. The middle gets fucked. The poor benefit because they get transfer payments from the government but have little or nothing to tax; the rich benefit because they have myriad ways around taxation starting with the cap on FICA and extending to all manner of other subsidies including the home interest deduction, as well as the less accessible/common loopholes I note above.
But of course, a pretend conservative like you doesn’t understand any of this – because in reality you are a liberal. Liberals are those that think more taxes, just apportioned more “fairly”, are the way to go.

Posted by: c1ue | Nov 18 2025 15:56 utc | 269