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November 14, 2025
Thoughts On The Shutdown

What was the point of the government shutdown?

Caveat – I have not followed the issue in depth. My understanding is that the Democrats blocked the funding of the government because they wanted additional money for one of their healthcare programs.

Trump used the time of the shutdown to further his politics.

Six weeks later, just as the public was turning against the Republicans, the Democrats caved in:

The longest government shutdown in U.S. history came to an end Wednesday after the House approved the Senate-passed funding package, and President Trump signed the bill into law.

The legislation extends funding for most agencies until Jan. 30 and includes three bills that fund other parts of the government through September 2026.

The Senate approved the legislation on Monday, when seven Democrats and one independent who caucuses with Democrats joined Republicans to end the standoff in the upper chamber. Six House Democrats crossed the aisle and voted to reopen the government.

The only thing that the Democrats have ‘won’ was a promise to put the additional healthcare money to a separate vote:

Eight Senate Democrats broke ranks to reach a deal with Republicans to end the shutdown, dashing the party’s effort to win an extension of expiring Affordable Care Act tax credits in return for their vote to reopen the government. ..

As part of the deal, Democrats secured a promise to hold a vote next month on the tax credits, which help millions of Americans pay for health insurance premiums for plans purchased on state exchanges.

The Republicans will of course reject that measure.

By the way: Why were the tax credits, part of Obama’s health care reforms, time limited in the first place?

To hide their utter defeat the Democrats released a slew of Epstein emails with the hope to plant new sensational rumors about Trump.  I have found nothing remarkable in that stack.

If this looks like a second Russiagate its because it is similar bullshit.

Instead of being a real opposition to Trump’s wars and miserable programs the Democrats’ are pushing performative nonsense.

Do they expect to get votes for that?

Comments

Agree with B on this more Russiagate nonsense………..

Posted by: tobias cole | Nov 14 2025 21:14 utc | 101

Posted by: Fool Me Twice | Nov 14 2025 21:02 utc | 96
 
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I am not speaking to the non-Americans.
 
Tucker and Bannon are enormous voices for the American Right. Either of them can sway a lower-level election, and combined, can make or break a Republican President.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 14 2025 21:18 utc | 102

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 14 2025 20:58 utc | 94
 
RE:   It was only a matter of time until the aged Democrat power brokers woke up and started devising a strategy.  All of the signs are there for much of this stuff, just as I feel confident about where this is heading. 
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I mean, you’re making perfect sense.
 
This tactic is right out of the playbook of the aged Dem power brokers and their obeisant media.
 
In each of the prior instances—Russiagate, J6, the 2020 election, various hoaxes—they’ve based their tactic on claims/allegations/innuendo which lacked substantiating evidence.
 
They generated beaucoup smoke but there was no fire.  All the claims about the walls closing in were just wishcasting.
 
Ditto now.
 
One critical difference, though:  the Target Fixation on DJT, circa 2016-2024, was rational, because the Dem powerbrokers wanted to make sure that he would never occupy the White House again.
 
Their Target Fixation right now is mislocated:  DJT will not be the presidential candidate in 2028.  Blowing their wad exclusively on undermining DJT risks ostracizing the very public whose trust they’ve already lost.
 

Posted by: steel_porcupine | Nov 14 2025 21:20 utc | 103

Elon Musk revealed the real reason for the shutdown on the Joe Rogan podcast.
In a nut shell: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56ZdPW5ZhBw
A bit more depth: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEyWwCJbAPg

Posted by: Spark | Nov 14 2025 21:20 utc | 104

 “There is no regulating mechanism to Capitalism after a certain point; it becomes an unstoppable machine headed for a cliff’s edge.”
 
Posted by: LoveDumbass | Nov 14 2025 19:49 utc | 75
 
As , per usual, you are no student of history.
 
Anti Trust legislation is a safeguard to stop Capitalism becoming Fascism.
 
For example, these anti trust laws broke up Rockefeller energy companies in the 20’s, in the 80’s they broke up AT and T.
 
However since then anti trust have not been used for Microsoft, Amazon, Facebook, Google  inter alia 
 
1. The three main U.S. antitrust statutes are the Sherman Act of 1890, the Clayton Act of 1914, and the Federal Trade Commission Act of 1914. Section 1 of the Sherman Act prohibits price fixing and the operation of cartels, and prohibits other collusive practices that unreasonably restrain trade.

Posted by: canuk | Nov 14 2025 21:22 utc | 105

Posted by: smartfox | Nov 14 2025 21:10 utc | 98
 
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I will, against my better judgment, indulge you.
 
How is Israel a civilization? 
 
It has not endured. It has not accomplished great feats. It has not controlled much of the world. It has not spread language or culture (unless you count porn and pedophilia).
 
It is a European colonial project. China is a civilization. Iran is a civilization. Civilizations spread language and culture. They dominate centuries and contend with other civilizations.
 
Saying that Israel is a civilization is like saying that Canada or Australia is civilizational.
 
I understand Zionists want to talk up how great they are (see canuk), but the truth is, Israel is a fart in a windstorm, as is European colonialism.
 
In 100 years, I believe that Israel will be a historical footnote. If not for European hagiographers, the ROW will largely forget it existed. Even its crimes are unremarkable.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 14 2025 21:26 utc | 106

Want to blame someone for the shutdown – blame NY Senator Chuck Cryin’ Chuck Schumer.
He thought he could accomplish two distinct things:
One – bull rush the Republicans in the Senate into funding health and welfare benefits for millions of illegal aliens, and also refund the NPR and PBS left wing propaganda machines  and, (thereby adding $1.5 trillion to the $38 trillion national debt).
Two insulate himself from a primary from AOC if he pushed hard against the DJT initiatives.
He failed badly on both counts, and cost federal workers some delayed paychecks to boot, all for pure political advantage points.
The far left of the Democratic Party wanted apparently a Pyhirric victory, destroy the federal government, create chaos, destabilize the nation, make it possible for an urban revolt (all part of the revolutionary socialist agenda to destabilize the republic).
They failed on all counts – no to socialized medicine subsidies, no to NPR and PBS and no to benefits for illegal aliens either.
Now its on to the Epstein farce, just like the Russiagate farce and the Kieve phone call farce……desperate people do desperate things……….

Posted by: tobias cole | Nov 14 2025 21:27 utc | 107

Posted by: steel_porcupine | Nov 14 2025 21:20 utc | 103
 
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Friend, people are not rational. There doesn’t have to be a fire to get people to charge out of a theater. All someone has to do is convincingly yell, “Fire!”.
 
See endless hysterias like COVID and Y2K.
 
The idea isn’t to kill Trump or destroy the Republican Party. It is to make it impossible for the Republicans to govern in any shape or form until the Democrats are able to regain power.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 14 2025 21:30 utc | 108

Want to blame someone for the shutdown – blame NY Senator Chuck Cryin’ Chuck Schumer.
 
Posted by: tobias cole | Nov 14 2025 21:27 utc | 107
 
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Ok, it’s all Chuck Schumer’s fault.
 
And?

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 14 2025 21:30 utc | 109

Tucker just released an expose’ about the FBI and SS coverup of the Butler assassination attempt….many, many unanswered questions about this young man’s background!
Why the need for five encrypted cell phones?
Why was his body ordered cremated with permission of the FBI only ten days after the attempt?
Why were no toxicology tests performed on his remains?
Why was his brain not removed for examination?
Why did he correspond with Ukrainian linked fascist groups in Europe?
Why did he have European email accounts?
How could be have been unobserved in the area for so long while carrying a long gun?
Why was the SS and FBI not on the county interdepartmental police radio channel?
Why was the entire area not thoroughly vetted before the event?
Why was the SS contingent decreased before the event?
How was Crooks allowed to fly a drone over the event site undetected?
Why have ballistics tests on what shot killed Crooks not been released?  Sniper or non sniper?
Why did Crooks go to FBI HQ in DC so often and for what reason?
How did Crooks appear in a Black Rock tv commercial (BR is heavily invested in the Nazi Ukraine by the way).
The full event story is unknown at this time, best said that Wray/Joey Boy Biden/Garland-Garfinkelyy FBI has much explaining to do……..
 
 

Posted by: tobias cole | Nov 14 2025 21:43 utc | 110

Tucker just released an expose’ about the FBI and SS coverup of the Butler assassination attempt….many, many unanswered questions about this young man’s background!
Why the need for five encrypted cell phones?
Why was his body ordered cremated with permission of the FBI only ten days after the attempt?
Why were no toxicology tests performed on his remains?
Why was his brain not removed for examination?
Why did he correspond with Ukrainian linked fascist groups in Europe?
Why did he have European email accounts?
How could be have been unobserved in the area for so long while carrying a long gun?
Why was the SS and FBI not on the county interdepartmental police radio channel?
Why was the entire area not thoroughly vetted before the event?
Why was the SS contingent decreased before the event?
How was Crooks allowed to fly a drone over the event site undetected?
Why have ballistics tests on what shot killed Crooks not been released?  Sniper or non sniper?
Why did Crooks go to FBI HQ in DC so often and for what reason?
How did Crooks appear in a Black Rock tv commercial (BR is heavily invested in the Nazi Ukraine by the way).
The full event story is unknown at this time, best said that Wray/Joey Boy Biden/Garland-Garfinkelyy FBI has much explaining to do……..
 
 

Posted by: tobias cole | Nov 14 2025 21:44 utc | 111

As for shutdown,  it helped the Federal Reserve & Stock Market tremendously for this quarter.  No stats.  A bandaid.  Loads of “programs” off loaded, and unfettered bond buying by Fed.  A distraction of wealth transfers.
 
as for “Epstein”…
 
Neither Dems nor Republicans gain from this publicity.  It’s an intel operation.  Int (Mossad/FBI/CIA/MI6),  all reminding DC fishes,  not to swim with the sharks.  Yes, concentration on Trump… however,  people like the texted “Michael Wolff”,  Sid Blumenthal,  Thiel,  Summers…  all trash is coming out.
 
If Trump had a brain,  he’d call Obama (who hates Hillary/Netanyahu ect)  form a pact,  and take all the intel agencies out.   Not into the Dems vs. pubs myth.  It’s “interest”,  and that would spin a head or 2 in DC.  But, that’s Trumps best chance… oh well.  We’ve seen this movie,  bye-bye Donald.
 
 I care about Epstein because:  
 
a). It’s not a “hoax”
b).  The “ring” is still in operation.
c). ALOT of children were forever damaged.
d). Rope Hope…

Posted by: Trubind1 | Nov 14 2025 21:47 utc | 112

The answer is yes, and they already are getting more votes because  shambolic Trump can’t even keep MAGA men together let alone the rest. Sorting out the Democratic Party is another matter but doubt that will need to be done first before downing Donald. He’s too much trouble for everyone besides his few billionaire friends.

Posted by: Tim Putnam | Nov 14 2025 21:56 utc | 113

@ b asks:

What was the point of the government shutdown?

Perhaps we could turn the question around, and ask “What is the point of government re-opening?”

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 14 2025 22:30 utc | 114

“If this looks like a second Russiagate its because it is similar bullshit.”
I remember all through the Russiagate ordeal skeptics were saying things like, “why won’t they look at Trump’s connections to Israel?”
Well, now it’s starting to happen, so lets not be dismissive. This matters.

Posted by: Peter Lynch | Nov 14 2025 22:37 utc | 115

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 14 2025 21:26 utc | 106
On isreal has not. It has not controlled much of the world.  Isreal won most elections in the west just recently. Does that count?

Posted by: Tannenhouser | Nov 14 2025 22:40 utc | 116

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 14 2025 22:30 utc | 114
 
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Careful, mate, questions like that will get you sent to the nick.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 14 2025 22:43 utc | 117

Posted by: Tannenhouser | Nov 14 2025 22:40 utc | 116
 
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I don’t believe it does.
 
A flea is not the dog. It is just a parasite.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 14 2025 22:44 utc | 118

The easiest way to understand American politics is the Democrats and Republicans are NOT valid political parties. They are corporations whose operations are analogous in function to that of the Harlem Globetrotters and the Washington Generals. The Washington Generals being the “team” designated as the heel, or false opposition, as both teams shared the same goal (entertaining the masses, although in the context of politics it would be exploiting the masses).  This is the ultimate hack of “liberal democracy” that gives the illusion of democratic choice but preserves power, in theory, in perpetuity. Both sides ping-pong every election cycle in a dance of doing absolutely nothing for the population. Do legitimate movements spring up and try to express themselves to cause real change? Absolutely and the system crushes them every time. Obama had a movement and once in power disbanded it. Bernie had two movements and both were crushed by the Clinton and Biden mafia families (with Bernie acting as a willing Benedict Arnold to his followers). The Democrats’ prime function is to attract and then dissipate left rebellion. The Republicans got blind sided by Trump (rarely will conservatives revolt)… but now that Trump is without a doubt serving the deep state/foreign actors MAGA is in flames. Another movement gone. There will be no political change in the United States through the existing system. Which presents a hard problem, how can the US rescue itself from the parasites that have taken hold of what used to be a representative government?

Posted by: AmericanIconoclast | Nov 14 2025 23:06 utc | 119

Posted by: AmericanIconoclast | Nov 14 2025 23:06 utc | 119
 
Welcome my son
Welcome to the machine… 

Posted by: Saint Jimmy | Nov 14 2025 23:08 utc | 120

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 14 2025 21:30 utc | 108
 
RE:   Friend, people are not rational. There doesn’t have to be a fire to get people to charge out of a theater. All someone has to do is convincingly yell, “Fire!”. 
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Absolutely.
 
Again, this is the well-worn p. 329 of the Dem powerbroker’s play book.
 
But—once bitten, twice shy.
 
By now, this is not our first rodeo, when it comes to the tactics Never-Trumpers use against DJT.
 
The Never-Trumpers (and obeisant media) have discredited themselves by never recanting on their prior falsehoods (Russiagate, J6, etc.) 
 
They got us to charge out of the theatre, expecting to save ourselves from a deadly fire (thta was Russiagate)—but there was no fire at all.   Instead, we all missed the movie and tossed our popcorn in the process.
 
 
What they’re engaging in is the essence of crying wolf. 
 
 
If DJT were actually guilty of all the things Dems/Never-Trumpers say he was, they would not have to fabricate this stuff.
 
Beyond the propaganda saturation, boosted by a biased legacy media, people nonetheless see through the murk.

Posted by: steel_porcupine | Nov 14 2025 23:25 utc | 121

Posted by: AmericanIconoclast | Nov 14 2025 23:06 utc | 119

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Depends. If Trump is serious about dealing with illegal aliens, and dealing with the trade imbalance, he can move the needle. Some antitrust actions from Justice might help as well. The Blob might not murder him for that. The neocons and zionists will definitely kill him if he crosses them, as we see. 

Posted by: seer | Nov 14 2025 23:30 utc | 122

Posted by: wagelaborer | Nov 14 2025 17:08 utc | 32<=The USA government no longer represents the interest of the Americans it governs.. Instead it uses them as if they were pawns in a chess game.
 
Posted by: Chris Cosmos | Nov 14 2025 17:23 utc | 43Washington and associated industries (corporate/intel-influenced media) is systematically corrupt and unreformable
We have to realize that the two official government sanctioned parties are not and cannot ever be the answer and after the latest nonsense from the Trump administration and the Israeli/Deep State takeover of the administration our job in the US is to undermine the system, with love of course.
 
<= bottom up power.. is the answer..
 
Posted by: fnord | Nov 14 2025 18:46 utc | 66The US Constitution is unfortunately just a profoundly bad governing document. The only worthwhile parts of it are the Bill of Rights, which was the only way it would be ratified, and a handful of subsequent amendments, namely the 13th, 14th, 15th, 19th, 24th, and the 26th. The rest are modifications of an essentially imperial form of government.
 
 
<=that’s true today, but when the constitution was formed its purpose was to save the wealth and reestablish the power of the ex British Aristocracy.. and to make it possible for the British aristocrats to continue their control over America. The constitution disposed of the government that defeated the British. 
 
 
Posted by: Avtonom | Nov 14 2025 18:56 utc | 69We need revolutions but I don’t see we’ll be getting them soon.
 
<=resentment causes understanding which leads to revolutions.
 
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 14 2025 21:30 utc | 108The idea isn’t to kill Trump or destroy the Republican Party. It is to make it impossible for the Republicans to govern in any shape or form until the Democrats are able to regain power.
 
 
<=that’s exactly how the Bolshevik socialist Revolution succeeded. I am watching the Bolshevik socialist revolution happening in real time in USA governed America. first is the chaos which renders the masses ungovernable then comes the foreigners to take over all of the important positions in government and the military within a few hours its all over. Any idea who the foreigners might be?
 

Posted by: snake | Nov 14 2025 23:52 utc | 123

@ LoveDonbass | Nov 14 2025 21:30 utc | 108
 
one could argue there is no republican party anymore.. their is the ”trump” party and it is a cult… just how things pan out for the cult are hard to predict, but a part of the cult have definitely drank the koolaid… 

Posted by: james | Nov 14 2025 23:57 utc | 124

[…] Israel is definitely a “civilization,” even if one does not like Israel. […]
Posted by: smartfox | Nov 14 2025 21:10 utc | 98

 
Hahaha, that is hilarious. Let no one say again Germans have no sense of humor.
 
Civilized people don’t murder tens of thousands of children. Civilized societies have aims and aspirations other than stealing land and using the most malicious ways to corrupt and and control others. Israel is as far away from being a civilization as Adolf posthumously being awarded the Nobel Peace prize.
 

[…] Any group of people who live according to the same principles is a “civilization.”

Oh really? Any sect or cult would fit that definition.

Posted by: Juan Moment | Nov 15 2025 0:57 utc | 125

@ Juan Moment | Nov 15 2025 0:57 utc | 125
 
Well, German “thinkers” have traditionally disparaged civilization and cherished “culture”…

Posted by: malenkov | Nov 15 2025 1:10 utc | 126

Murtaza Hassan of The Intercept has claimed that the salacious over-focus on the connection specifically between DJT ad Epstein right now is itself a limited hangout in order to cover for Epstein’s transnational role as a Mossad agent moving through the hallowed halls of global elites on behalf of Israel and to divert attention from such matters.
 
 
The r’ship between Noam Chomsky and Epstein, for instance, has no tie-ins w/ the titillating DJT innuendo, but it has always been very baffling nonetheless and not just because the latest Epstein archive of emails, released this week, call our attention to it.  The fact that someone of Chomsky’s stature was willing to stay close to Epstein after Epstein had been convicted of child-prostitution charges is difficult to square.
 
 
It exemplifies the way global elites could easily overlook Epstein’s conviction, as if the content of his conviction was not in the least disqualifying to their relations w/ him—-and the fact that he was alleged to be a Mossad agent to boot did not raise eyebrows either.
 
It is mind-boggling for people in Anytown, USA to digest this, but there you are.
 
 
As late as 2023 Epstein was moving money for Chomsky—like in a wealth management sort of role.
 
When interrogated about this, Chomsky reminded everyone that Epstein had already served the sentence for which he was convicted (in 2008) , and therefore now, going forward, had a blank slate:  “I don’t have to explain to you with whom I spend my time.”
 
 
In one of the documents released this week from the Epstein estate archive, Epstein’s private email from September 2018 describes how “Chomsky called me with Lula from prison.”  That is to say, Chomsky visited the former Brazilian president, who is now the current Brazilian president, while Lula was serving a lawfare-style prison sentence.  During the visit, Chomsky phoned Epstein from the prison’s visitation room and had a group chat w/ Lula included on speaker-phone.
 
 
It is hard to imagine the circumstances that would inspire Chomsky to phone Epstein from a prison in Brazil.  A mind-bending arc occurs as we, or residents of Anytown, USA, attempt to comprehend this.
 
 
Chomsky is 94 years old.  Lula, the Brazilian president, is busy w/ state affairs.  All we have are Epstein’s words from September 2018 to explain this.
 
 
His words explain nothing.
 
 
This week, the Dems redacted Virginia Giuffre’s name from an Epstein email in which Epstein wrote to Ghislane Maxwell that “{ redacted } spent hours one day w/ Trump” at Epstein’s Manhattan mansion—even though the actual email released from the Epstein archive had not redacted Giuffre’s name.
 
 
In sworn testimony, having taken an oath in a court of law in 2021, Giuffre cleared DJT of any wrong-doing related to Epstein’s sex trafficking activities, stating of DJT, “He could not have been nicer to me.”
 
 
Since that court trial, of course, Giuffre passed away.
 
 
But the Dems, in redacting Giuffre’s name this week, attempted to make it seem that there was some question about who this { redacted } person actually was.  Was it someone other than Giuffre-?
 
 
It was as if they wished to bury Giuffre’s sworn testimony.  As if they wished to nullify the dead woman’s words.
 
Like with the Epstein email cache released this week, we’re contending w/ the words of the dead.
 
 
The dead are naturally no longer able to explain—-well, actually actually—-what they meant.  Because the dead cannot speak for themselves, the Dems & Never-Trumpers will speak for them.

Posted by: steel_porcupine | Nov 15 2025 1:36 utc | 127

Posted by: steel_porcupine | Nov 14 2025 23:25 utc | 121
 
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The issue for Trump is that there is enough dirt without having to lie. The Dems will eventually resort to lying because it is what they know best; they cannot resist it. But they may not even have to. All one has to do is give 80% of the picture about something or someone, and people’s minds will fill in the blank can make a conclusion. That is ideal. Then the viewer/listener is invested because they are the one who came up with the conclusion, incorrect or not.
 
Anyone who thought Trump was immunized or that people would tend to believe he is a good guy. It would have worked better in 2017 than now. People on the right and the left are increasingly distrustful of authority figures.
 
Don’t be under any illusions that Trump isn’t guilty of murder and corruption. The man has a decades-long track record that is fairly well documented.
 
In his reflexive defense of Israel, he has committed political seppuku. This Epstein thing is radioactive and kryptonite.
 
That has me wondering if Israeli assets will step in to save him. He’s been good to Zionists. Although I suspect Vance (as Thiel’s robot son) will be just as good.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 15 2025 1:54 utc | 128

[…] It is to make it impossible for the Republicans to govern in any shape or form until the Democrats are able to regain power.
 
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 14 2025 21:30 utc | 108

 
Believing Republicans and Democrats represent two antithetic political movements, each pulling in different directions, is one of the reasons the United Snakes has become the idiot show it is today. Going by the general thrust of your comments here, I’m actually surprised you are making this argument. You as well as I and most other people who’ve been paying attention know full well that what we are looking at is a classic tag team setup, a good cop bad cop routine if you will.
 
Whether Republicans or Democrats run the White House and Capitol Hill is irrelevant. Both are sock puppets used to dazzle and toy with the simple minded who time and time again fall for the same election promise nonsense like three year old toddlers. Do you want the red cup or the blue cup? Should we brush teeth before the story or after the story? It appears plenty of those credulous and dewy-eyed voters congregate here at the whiskey bar.
 
There is only one direction this ship is going. The U.S. and many other countries are plantations, nothing more. Main stream political parties by and large are middle management, keeping the servs in line while enforcing the directives coming from the wealthy beyond belief exec. Take the air traffic controllers for example, who during the so called shut down hadn’t been paid but were ordered back to work. If that ain’t Trump displaying his deep seated slave holder mentality, I don’t know what is.
 
Trump/Harris, Biden/Trump, Trump/Clinton, Obama/Romney, Obama/McCain, same dog different head.

Posted by: Juan Moment | Nov 15 2025 1:55 utc | 129

Posted by: james | Nov 14 2025 23:57 utc | 124
 
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All politics, but certainly modern Western politics, is based on cults of personality.
 
The GOP is an abstraction for TPTB, as are the Democrats. The differences and blame between the two are a means to keep the hoi polloi from catching on and properly placing blame. The whole thing is kayfabe. Whoever is in power, the policies remain almost exactly the same. Then, 4 years later, people engage in the civic delusion exercise of choosing the next steward of the continuity of the agenda.
 
The sheep never know they are headed for the abbatoir until it is too late, and more perversely, they race each other to get there first.
 
If I were evil, that is how I might set it up.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 15 2025 2:02 utc | 130

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 15 2025 1:54 utc | 128
 
RE:    In [ DJT’s ] reflexive defense of Israel, he has committed political seppuku.  This Epstein thing is radioactive and kryptonite.
 
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I hear what you’re saying, but I’m not sure DJT’s defense of Israel is quantitatively different from that of Collective Biden, for instance.  The U.S. has been complicit in Israel’s genocide since October 2023, which is when Collective Biden got the ball rolling.  It is difficult to put a fine enough point on matters to claim that one admin or the other has genocided harder.  Certainly Collective Biden genocided longer. 
 
But I do appreciate your stance.
 
Here’s something very strange, though, as reported just now in the WaPo:
 
“The newly released documents from Jeffrey Epstein’s estate show that the convicted sex offender texted with a Democratic member of Congress, Del. Stacey Plaskett of the U.S. Virgin Islands, during a congressional hearing with Michael Cohen, and that those text messages may have influenced the congresswoman’s questions of Cohen, President Donald Trump’s former personal attorney and fixer.”
 
There seems no end to the number of leaders eager to pick up the phone if Epstein beckoned, even long after his conviction on child-prostitution charges-?
 
I. Just. Can’t.
 

Posted by: steel_porcupine | Nov 15 2025 2:13 utc | 131

let’s quote Larry Summers: Trump is lucky, he faces NO OPPOSITION. 
 
you mean Adam Schiff and Hilary Clinton and Chuck Schumer and Bernie Sanders and AOC and Mamdani and Karma Karma Kamala Kameleon are not in opposition to Trump?
 
yep.

Posted by: duck n cover | Nov 15 2025 2:14 utc | 132

Well, German “thinkers” have traditionally disparaged civilization and cherished “culture”…
Posted by: malenkov | Nov 15 2025 1:10 utc | 126

 
For sure, malenkov. I lived in Alemania for a while, and from my limited study, for many, say Spengler or Nietzsche, the distinction between Kultur and Zivilisation was a defining aspect of their philosophy, with culture being the youthful, creative, organic phase of a people, while superficial civilization with its herd mentality and imperial phase the death knell. Mind you, if you ask me, they weren’t completely wrong in their dichotomy.
 
In the end its all a matter of definition. But to call a nation of people a Civilization, imo, one has to look beyond their technical or cultural achievements, unless their culture or institutions have the hallmarks of being peaceful, cooperative and honourable. None of which Israelis are. They are as barbaric as they come.

Posted by: Juan Moment | Nov 15 2025 2:28 utc | 133

2nd Post
I would think that many at this bar would be happy the government shut down. I was hoping it would never reopen.
Here is what I would do:
1. Collapse the size of the government by about 75% in total where about a 40% reduction in the total comes from the defense budget alone (all the US really needs are defensive nukes).
2. Increase tariffs further (to bring industry and jobs back to the US because AI is coming and good jobs will become increasingly hard to get and hold).
3. Eliminate the IRS (and other unnecessary departments) so that labor become more competitive with AI/automation.
4. Establish an estate tax where people can not bequeath more than $25 million.

Posted by: SPQR | Nov 15 2025 2:35 utc | 134

Posted by: steel_porcupine | Nov 15 2025 2:13 utc | 131
 
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Biden is irrelevant. We’re talking about Trump in the here and now.
 
In politics, saying, “but the other guy…” only works for the first 100 days or so. After that, it’s a pathetic deflection.
 
You are literally talking about Trump’s genocide not being so bad because Biden did it longer.
 
Think about that.
 
The need to protect Trump from accountability is why MAGA was always doomed. As I said, it is a cult of personality and not a revolutionary movement.
 
Trump is just a man, a fat old Zionist man who is without meaningful accomplishment or achievement in life.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 15 2025 2:35 utc | 135

@ Juan Moment | Nov 15 2025 2:28 utc | 133
 
Amen to everything you wrote.

Posted by: malenkov | Nov 15 2025 2:54 utc | 136

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 15 2025 2:35 utc | 135
 
RE:   We’re talking about Trump in the here and now.
 
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Were it so unidimensional.
 
Here & Now revelations cause us to take repeated trips down Memory Lane.  The point is to comprehend more of the Here & Now by virtue of what came before., not to obscure.
 
To wit  (from Posted by: steel_porcupine | Nov 15 2025 2:13 utc | 131 )—
“The newly released documents from Jeffrey Epstein’s estate show that the convicted sex offender texted with a Democratic member of Congress, Del. Stacey Plaskett of the U.S. Virgin Islands, during a congressional hearing with Michael Cohen, and that those text messages may have influenced the congresswoman’s questions of Cohen, President Donald Trump’s former personal attorney and fixer.”
 
 
It’s hideous to recognize that in 2018 this member of Congress received from Epstein tips via text messages on how to question DJT’s former attorney during the time of the actual live congressional hearing.
 
Someone did not find it unseemly, if not bizarre indeed, to hook the disgraced pedophile up as an interlocutor-? 
 
Weirdly, too—the member of Congress represents the U.S. Virgin Islands, and Epstein’s island was in the archipelago of small private islands within the U.S. Virgin Islands.

Posted by: steel_porcupine | Nov 15 2025 2:57 utc | 137

So the ACA SUBSIDIES, afforded working class Americans the ability to buy insurance off the ACA insurance exchanges…for 24 million Americans. Without those subsidies, premiums will double, if not triple.
I told folks hoping the subsidies would be extended, that they would NOT be, all through the Gov shut down. I said Republicans WOULD NOT CAVE, as the Big Ugly bill they passed in July gutting Medicaid for millions, while giving billionaires and wealthy Americans tax breaks, they would NEVER give up one cent in those breaks for anything.
The midterms were, in part, a direct referendum on Republican focus on their donors and not their constituents. I also shared that Dems KNEW the GOP would not cave. They have billionaire donors too 
Until Americans wake up and realize that as long as we have 1. Money in politics and 2. That both R and D are the exact same color of horse in that they are Corp, billionaire and MIC owned, nothing would change 
Btw, I have read some of those Epstein emails and it DOES implicate Trump. Where he has insisted that he was never involved with Epstein as a client, we now know that that is 100% total bullshit 
Thing about Epstein client list is that it implicates BOTH wealthy political affiliations. Jew Billionaire, politician, CEO etc
 

Posted by: Kay | Nov 15 2025 3:45 utc | 138

Elections are irrelevant in a “democratic” Uniparty system, as is left and right. Team A may get assigned to bring in terrible for the population legislation, they know they will lose the election over that to Team B, but what do they care, they will be rotated back in after a term or two when Team B does the same. 
Obama lied about change, Trump lied about MAGA, both brought into laws to further enrich the wealthy and screw everyone else. Wars don’t just continue, they accelerate. Politics is the Zionist four horsemen of the Apocalypse. The end game? Who knows, but it will be authoritarian and ugly, and we will have voted it in, as there were no other choices.
Revolution? Unlikely, but if required it will simply be Team C of the Uniparty.

Posted by: Organic | Nov 15 2025 3:53 utc | 139

Weirdly, the luridness of Epstein’s criminality drives the news-cycle right now while the fundamental story—-that Epstein was funded and directed by Zionist billionaires—remains unexamined.
 
Bright & shiny objects are neither bright nor shiny.
 
 
Instead of addressing Epstein’s significant ties to Israeli intelligence, which this weeks’ document tranche has made explicit, the legacy media has opted to focus, tunnelvision-like, only on Epstein’s association w/ DJT.
 
 
The legacy media serves at the pleasure of Permanent Washington, naturally: Permanent Washington does not want anyone looking too closely at what the U.S. and Israel do whether Democrats control the White House/Capitol Hill or Republicans do.
 
 
War. Genocide. Militarism. Homelessness. Poverty. An ever-expanding surveillance state. Censorship. Propaganda. Governmental lies & opacity.
 
Regardless of which party is in power, the hegemon’s signature activities do not vary.
 
Ryan Grim and Murtaza Hassan have been doing a deep dive on this topic all week at Drop Site.

Posted by: steel_porcupine | Nov 15 2025 3:57 utc | 140

In response to

Revolution? Unlikely, but if required it will simply be Team C of the Uniparty.
Posted by: Organic | Nov 15 2025 3:53 utc | 139


 
What I keep trying to tell folks in the West is that the revolution is happening via the China/Russia axis and so, when the God Of Mammon cult is defeated in the West, the underclass of the West will have the opportunity to change the form of social organization in the West to eliminate or neuter global private finance and it historic owners…..Pope Bob, King Chuck, City of London Corp. and owners of US Fed banks as examples.
 
Will the brainwashed in the West rise to the occasion?
I see no consensus on my perspective nor any plans to make finance a public utility.
Will the factions in the West start talking to each other or start shooting?
A lot will ride on the empire defeat event and the effect it has on the Western public, IMO.
 
From what I read of the shutdown, it is mostly can kicking for 3 months and the geopolitical world may be quite different by then.
 
The latest TACO by Trump from Reuters
 

Trump cuts tariffs on beef, coffee and other foods as inflation concerns mount

 
The shit show continues until it doesn’t

Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 15 2025 4:20 utc | 141

🙂 Controlled opposition gotta oppose in a controlled manner. If the story is no longer making organic sense, nor theatrical sense, perhaps it is making dispiriting sense. It’s a flagrant act to attack morale, to make people cynical, and to induce despair.
 
 
🙂 Remember, you don’t have to accept their meager crumbs brushed off the lord’s table bullshit as the last answer. The first step is to get angry, coordinated, and then spiteful against everything they care about. You’ll know what those things are because they’ll bust out the full force crackdowns if you dare to disparage, let alone damage, their precious.
 
 
😀 Have fun discovering their weaknesses! 

Posted by: titmouse | Nov 15 2025 5:52 utc | 142

Posted by: SPQR | Nov 15 2025 2:35 utc | 1342. Increase tariffs further (to bring industry and jobs back to the US because AI is coming and good jobs will become increasingly hard to get and hold).<=Tariffs are a tax on the American people.. because the consumer pays the cost of the Tariff.. So you would have the American people invest their tax dollars in getting Traitor companies and their owners to return to base?
 
 
<=Why not retract the military from overseas and use the cutting edge technology it has access to, to invent and create modern new industries and shape labor to handle the demands of those new industry types. Train the job seeker the develop the skills he or she needs to contribute to the new economy? Invest in new business types and in the education needed to educate employees to handle new, and different jobs, jobs that require cutting edge at Phd levels of knowledge. ..return laid off employees to college and technical schools don’t pasture them. Where i see jobs developing is in inventing new ways to produce old products with greater and greater efficiency. If it were not for wars, prices would be going down.
 
 
Jobs in the traditional sense are disappearing. Americans really don’t need them in America but the USA elites don’t want any changes. We need new advanced industries… No amount of Tariff, money or anything else is going to save traditional jobs. If you really want to put America behind pay by Tariff to bring them back. Instead of spending to create competitively new Competition in producing goods and services is giving way to producing new and better ways to produce goods and services. The coming revolution is about efficiency not volume.
 
 
Traditional labor will not be able to move up in the coming world. It may be that Labor needs to invest in time and knowledge in small groups in order to invent new industries. Labor needs to adjust.. the new world is not going to generate a demand for many new jobs. requirements for a job in the modern world is knowledge, skill, and performance.
 
 
Remember the old days before Industrial revolution there were employees those who did the work were slaves or peasants in service to the monarch or the elite.. Then came the Industrial revolution and industry began to pay the slave, and that closed down slavery..
 
 
Now we have a knowledge revolution.. and that is going to close down labor type jobs..
 
 
psychohistorian @ 141 explains it in terms of revolution.. Americans are in need of an entirely new kind of government.. The old government has failed America. only its benefactors, like the Democraps and Reputatards are resisting the need to change; they fear the coming new world and are fighting its arrival tooth and nail.
 

Posted by: snake | Nov 15 2025 5:58 utc | 143

It really seems to be heating up for Zelensky and his oligarch buddies now. I wonder if he’ll do a runner? Some of his own people will want be quite wrathful when they find out the extent of the corruption, especially when so many have died atrocious early deaths for nothing. Could be lighting a fuse to a chain reaction too engulfing an international set of graftees.

Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Nov 15 2025 5:59 utc | 144

Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Nov 15 2025 5:59 utc | 144
 
########
 
I wouldn’t hold my breath waiting for any elite scumbags to face justice.
 
Not Starmer, not Bibi, not Zelensky, or Trump.
 
Who will convict and punish world leaders? There is no man with authority over them.
 
By design…
 
The Ukrainian people will punish the banderites the same day that Americans take a stand against the IRS.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 15 2025 6:06 utc | 145

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 15 2025 6:06 utc | 145
I wouldn’t shut the door before the music stops playing , greater forces are at play than these disgraceful clowns

Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Nov 15 2025 6:10 utc | 146

https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/chorus-of-corruption-as-movement

Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Nov 15 2025 6:14 utc | 147

10-year Treasury interest rate rises to 4.15% as of Friday close.  
 
The Bond Market has concluded ending  the “shutdown” only hastens the looming insolvency crisis. 
De-dollarization brings peace in 2027

Posted by: exile | Nov 15 2025 7:14 utc | 148

Posted by: exile | Nov 15 2025 7:14 utc | 150
10-year Treasury interest rate rises to 4.15% as of Friday close.   The Bond Market has concluded ending  the “shutdown” only hastens the looming insolvency crisis. De-dollarization brings peace in 2027
 
<=The world needs globally recognized currency to trade? After de-dollarization happens, how will trade between nations be conducted..
 
We  need a tamper proof, apolitical currency system.  It will need to auto- regulate the number of currency units in circulation according to the individuals living on any particular day, so that the relative buying power of the currency remains a constant.. 
 
 
 

Posted by: snake | Nov 15 2025 7:53 utc | 149

There are almost NO real leftists – pro labor – in the US. These “woke types always place race, gender, and themselves before fairness and justice. It never fails. I might hate them more than I hate our oligarchs. 
Posted by: Saint Jimmy | Nov 14 2025 21:11 utc | 101

I think you’re right and it’s disturbing. Not at least because American sentiments, ways & means tend to spread to the rest of the west

Posted by: Avtonom | Nov 15 2025 10:20 utc | 150

@snake | Nov 15 2025 5:58 utc.
 
Best synopsis  I’ve read  in years re: labor’s situation, and more broadly the  US situation. 
 
Labor is going to have to re-invent itself, train itself, learn strategy, etc. Invent new  industries. Own the enterprise, and receive the benefits of their own productivity. 
 
Bottom-up, like you said, seems like the only viable avenue for change. And complaints and “revolutions” are just wasted energy until and unless there are viable, well-tested alternatives. 
 
Kudos to  those that see U.S. politics (at national level) as brown fizzy sugar-water. (Coke n Pepsi, no  nutrition). 
 
Snake, I had a conv with a friend other day, I asserted that US polity:
 
a. Doesn’t understand the situation they’re in, and 
b. Doesn’t really understand what their interests are
 
And we’re  fragmented / isolated badly. Can’t achieve mass under those conditions.
I think that’s the benefit of an MoA, et. al.  Drinks all around on me.

Posted by: Tom Pfotzer | Nov 15 2025 10:42 utc | 151

@ Juan Moment | Nov 15 2025 2:28 utc | 133 Amen to everything you wrote.
Posted by: malenkov | Nov 15 2025 2:54 utc | 138

 
Agree to that.

Posted by: Avtonom | Nov 15 2025 10:49 utc | 152

By the way: Why were the tax credits, part of Obama’s health care reforms, time limited in the first place?

 
They weren’t, and they aren’t … the original tax credits are right there were Obama left them.
 
The Dems were fighting over extended tax credits which were introduced as temporary “emergency” measures under Hidin Biden … and you know how there’s nothing more permanent than a temporary government program.

Posted by: Tel | Nov 15 2025 12:20 utc | 153

@134 duck n cover
 
“let’s quote Larry Summers: Trump is lucky, he faces NO OPPOSITION.  you mean Adam Schiff and Hilary Clinton and Chuck Schumer and Bernie Sanders and AOC and Mamdani and Karma Karma Kamala Kameleon are not in opposition to Trump? yep”
 
You proved the point of Larry Summers.  NO OPPOSITION.  A few people making anti-Trump speeches to rile up and motivate Trump’s base to vote can hardly be called opposition.  Trying to claim that Kamala is opposition is especially ridiculous.  She worked HARD to get Trump elected.  Now she is starting efforts to get Vance to succeed him.
 
Trump is on the same team as all the people you pointed out.  Trump is the chump that has to make speeches at football games while getting booed.  Schumer gets to watch and laugh.  OF COURSE Schumer wants to be minority leader rather than majority leader.  The pay is the same, the job is much easier.

Posted by: Woke American | Nov 15 2025 12:27 utc | 154

“By now, this is not our first rodeo, when it comes to the tactics Never-Trumpers use against DJT. The Never-Trumpers (and obeisant media) have discredited themselves by never recanting on their prior falsehoods (Russiagate, J6, etc.)  They got us to charge out of the theatre, expecting to save ourselves from a deadly fire (thta was Russiagate)—but there was no fire at all.   Instead, we all missed the movie and tossed our popcorn in the process.  What they’re engaging in is the essence of crying wolf.   If DJT were actually guilty of all the things Dems/Never-Trumpers say he was, they would not have to fabricate this stuff.
 Beyond the propaganda saturation, boosted by a biased legacy media, people nonetheless see through the murk.”
 
Posted by: steel_porcupine | Nov 14 2025 23:25 utc | 123
 
Well done, thanks.

Posted by: canuk | Nov 15 2025 12:38 utc | 155

Posted by: Avtonom | Nov 15 2025 10:20 utc | 152
 
It’s very harmful because it completely prevents even consideration of policies that are needed to adjust the economy, laws, and foreign policy to changing conditions, events, and environments. We have been deeply damaged by it. 

Posted by: Saint Jimmy | Nov 15 2025 13:03 utc | 156

Danny Haiphong talks to Professor Jiang.
The Epstein TRAP: Trump, Israel & the DEATH of America | Prof Jiang Xueqin
Not sure what he is professor of, or why, but he has some off the wall ideas and some at least plausible hypotheses about what’s really going on.
 

Posted by: ChatNPC | Nov 15 2025 13:25 utc | 157

My guess is that they are these fake ass “woke” socialists we have here in the US. 
Posted by: Saint Jimmy | Nov 14 2025 21:11 utc | 101

When you start by saying “my guess is”, it means it’s not actual facts but rather views. Views are refutable.
 
About the so called ‘socialists’ (wether in the US or elsewhere), anybody who claims to be one raises a red flag.
 
Socialism is not an end. To base an entire political identity on that is nothing but fraudulent and foreshadows all the treacheries and compromissions to come.

There are almost NO real leftists – pro labor – in the US. These “woke types always place race, gender, and themselves before fairness and justice. It never fails. I might hate them more than I hate our oligarchs. 
Posted by: Saint Jimmy | Nov 14 2025 21:11 utc | 101

Real leftists are either Communists, crypto-Communists or iso-Communists.
 
English is not my native language so I ‘m not sure to understand what you mean by ‘pro labor’. Is it ‘pro working class’ or ‘pro unions’ ? If I take that the first meaning is the right one, how could we define the working class then ? Are garbage collectors, accountants, medical assistants and taxi drivers within the same ensemble called the working class ? And above all, do they share the same interests, socioeconomically speaking.
 
On a purely theoretical level, they should. But alas, the reality often differs from theory. That’s why some among them will ally with the bourgeoisie – or the oligarchy (however you call it) – because they’re being said that their interests is to do so. Most of the time, it’s not being said abruptly but by instilling fears. Mostly fear of demotion and fear of alterity.
 
Who says so ? The oligarchy who progressively acquired all the information canals to spread these divisions.

These “woke types always place race, gender, and themselves before fairness and justice. 
Posted by: Saint Jimmy | Nov 14 2025 21:11 utc | 101

Obviously, it’s easier to blame the “woke”. First, social media and its byproduct – the meme culture – rendered them as individuals who are not inclined towards reason or reflection. The more fanatical, ridiculous, aggressive, and foolish they are, the more disjointed, sectarian, and emotional their reasoning appears, the more it will be repeated over and over again. Anyone who is calm, well-adjusted, and whose words are well-constructed and organised, whose approach is thoughtful and confident, is ignored. Or covered with slurs. Therefore, it’s unsurprising that the word “woke” comes more often out of a right wing mouth.
 
But if you strip the “woke” concept off his fake signifier and his caricatural materialisation, you are mainly left with two old causes : anti-racism and anti-patriarchy. Still, the question remains : are they agents of division ? That’s what the oligarchy wants the working class to believe. In the reality, it’s racism and patriarchy that always were.
 
Some may reply that in the past the workers where all united against the same enemy. That’s just delusional. In the past – the first half of the 20th century – the Western working class was predominantly white and male. In the US, Black people were mostly within the confines of lumpen and remnants of slavish work that widely participated in the growth of the country as an economic superpower. And as in the rest of the Western world, women (and kids) received lower salaries. After WWII, segregation laws guaranteed the perpetuation of the differences between white and non-white workers – as of today –, more women worked but still less paid…
 
 
 
If the working class appears less united as ever, it’s not because of “wokeism” or immigration, it’s because it mutated through globalisation, offshoring, deindustrialisation. Trade unionism faded away and collective spirit gave way to individualism. That’s the splitting of the “no more singular” working class – and the birth of “plural” working classes.
 
Cui bono ?

Posted by: xiao pignouf | Nov 15 2025 13:28 utc | 158

Posted by: xiao pignouf | Nov 15 2025 13:28 utc | 160
 
I don’t think you have enough understanding of conditions and the political and economic history here during the last 50 years to fully understand what is going on. The fake “left” use divisive issues such as race, religion, sexual preference, almost anything EXCEPT class to divide the public. By “pro-labor” I mean pro-middle and pro-working class and pro-union. The death of unions and employee rights here during the ’80s and ’90s was key in implementing financial capitalism and destroying the middle and working classes. Women here are definitely NOT paid less than men and haven’t been for 30 or 40 years. 

Posted by: Saint Jimmy | Nov 15 2025 14:03 utc | 159

Lots of misinformation in the first dozen posts, so I’m saying this here, even though it will be buried:
The shutdown was over the Republicans’ refusal to extend ACA subsidies to illegal immigrants. There was no question of ‘ending ACA’ as some confused individuals have posted here. This is what had even independent observers scratching their heads: why go out on a limb for people who aren’t citizens and are viewed as ‘invaders’ by the majority of Americans? Why give ‘free’ health care to illegals that ordinary Americans – as detailed extensively in this thread – can’t afford, and give it to illegals in preference to Americans? But out on the limb they went, and then watched as their own fellows sawed it off from under them. 
I’m not defending the US health system. I worked briefly for Blue Cross in Michigan, and have some understanding of the system from the inside. Rube Goldberg would probably approve of the design; I think they should blow it up and start from square one. The Canadian system, for all its flaws (and they are many) delivers better results for considerably less GDP (12% v 18% US), and one of the biggest differences is the cost and profits of the health insurance industry. But the truth is both systems are under strain (as any ‘free’ good usually is), and that strain is going to get worse as the baby boomers – the middle of that bulge hits 70 this year – age and years of obesity and lack of exercise start to take their toll. 
Anyone with a brain could see the US system was broke, and that spending billions on the millions of illegals who still remain in the country would only worsen the situation for actual American citizens. Not the hill I would have chosen for a stand but I frankly believe the Democrats are running the ‘bust out’ play from the movie Goodfellas

Posted by: FrankDrakman | Nov 15 2025 14:09 utc | 160

“Real leftists are either Communists, crypto-Communists or iso-Communists.”
 
Posted by: xiao pignouf | Nov 15 2025 13:28 utc | 160
 
Nonsense.

Posted by: canuk | Nov 15 2025 14:15 utc | 161

Posted by: FrankDrakman | Nov 15 2025 14:09 utc | 162
 
Yep. Made zero sense…

Posted by: Saint Jimmy | Nov 15 2025 14:19 utc | 162

“The shutdown was over the Republicans’ refusal to extend ACA subsidies to illegal immigrants. There was no question of ‘ending ACA’ as some confused individuals have posted here. ”
 
Posted by: FrankDrakman | Nov 15 2025 14:09 utc | 162
 
Thank you for the reality check.
 

Posted by: canuk | Nov 15 2025 14:20 utc | 163

3rd Post
Response: Posted by: snake | Nov 15 2025 5:58 utc | 145
Thanks for the response. This is fun.
In theory, tariffs are inflationary, and yes, tariffs are a form of tax. Taxes are necessary in modern life. We also have $38 trillion in debt to pay. We do need some basic government services to fund. Economics is not the only consideration. It is imperative we bring industry back and this is the cost to course correct toward more nationalist balance and self sufficiency. This implies that the US should become non-interventionist.
However, my proposal also reduces the size of the government, which is deflationary and requires less taxes to support. Therefore, eliminating the IRS or more specifically taxes on income is stimulative and encourages people to work. Universal basic income is the wrong direction in my opinion. People need to work otherwise society is at increased risk of moral decline. Finally, I do not believe in aristocracy, which is why a progressive estate tax encourages meritocracy and breaks holds on concentrated economic power. 
My proposal implies a very healthy decline in military spending, which is about half of the annual budget. Like I said, we really only need nukes. We certainly do not need 800+ military bases around the world. Yes, I agree with you on retracting the military from overseas. I am certain the cutting edge technology is already being used in commercial applications. Greater efficiency is part of the problem and the reason to bring industry jobs back to the US. With no industry whether basic or advanced, the US is very much at risk over the long term. We live in the real world and need real things. People need jobs and AI is coming for all those white collar jobs. We will see a major collapse in the next 10 years in entire sectors like accounting, editing, many desk jobs of all sorts, etc. There will be fewer and fewer “knowledge, skill, and performance” jobs and the elite will eat each other to get them for their children. The knowledge revolution will kill the knowledge job for all but a few. People need to do something. It is a completely false notion to think pains of transition can be solved by people retaining. We saw that story over the last 40-50 years, which has creates a very fragile two tiered society. To think a middle aged person can just retain. No. They are left behind. Yes, we need those traditional jobs. We had better communities. Yeah, maybe things will be more expensive, but with a job it is better to buy something expensive than have no job and buy nothing at all. Those new industries like carbon capture, nitrogen sequestration, geothermal energy, quantum, etc. require real things from “traditional industry” too. Why depend on unstable foreign relationships to do it when we can do it here? Yeah, it will be less profitable, but like I said this is not only about economics.

Posted by: SPQR | Nov 15 2025 14:25 utc | 164

Posted by: xiao pignouf | Nov 15 2025 13:28 utc | 160
 
 
The birth of “plural” working classes.
 
 
<=yes, geographically distributed working groups independently doing their own thing is the future of what we traditionally call labor. The labor force needs to socialize into clubs, workshops, and think tanks. What good is a union when there is no domestic industry to negotiate with.. Unions depend on the Too Big To Fail, but the too big to fail are now global.. and out of reach of the Union. The way forward for labor is  bottom up entrepreneurial endeavors. 
 
 
Each such social group educating each other and producing in entrepreneurial fashion according to its specialities, capabilities, skills and such to earn from the markets what they can.. the $cost of capital is minimal when labor participates its productive time.  These groups need to keep the innovative and productive parts of their meetings secret out of sight of Google, Microsoft and other full time tracking systems if they don’t they will never succeed.. If the government operates in secret so too must those it seeks to use and degrade. 
 
 
Americans are beginning to see just how dangerous to their quality of life, the Too Big To Fail are. 
 
 
<=but the resistance to bottom up success is and will always be the existing “Too Big To Fail, Inc”  Americans have need to understand their government is being used to destroy individualism, to de-educate and to deny entrepreneurial success to those who are attempting to succeed.  Those in control of the centralized government do not want those who cannot be owned, controlled and used to succeed.  Success independent of the  top down regulated environment will be smashed by the Too Big To Fail at every opportunity because the Too Big To Fail do own and  can use the government to keep the little people, tiny.  
 
  
  

Posted by: snake | Nov 15 2025 14:32 utc | 165

All of them are up to their neck in the Epstein files. The libtards and the fascists.
 
Don’t and NEVER  forget about the victims.
 
This is NO Russiagate as it is true. With over 100 girls now  paid out compensation. Just wait until the photos are released. Remember that Trump closed the case saying there was no emails or even a file. Said it was all a hoax. He’s been caught lying again. That will destroy him.
 
Why have over 100 girls been paid compensation for being abused if there is nothing to see ? If there was nothing to see zero payouts would have been made.
 
“It’s a hoax, it’s a hoax but I’ve instructed Pam Bondi to investigate all of the libtards and the banks and leave the fascists alone its that much of a hoax.”
 
It’s a hoax for me but not for thee…….lol.
 
It’s a hoax, it’s a Russiagate but look at what has happened to Prince Andrew in the UK. That’s some hoax. I’m pretty sure Prince Andrew doesn’t think it’s a Russia gate or a hoax. I’m sure at this point he thinks its very, very real. 
 
A Prince loses everything on a hoax – I don’t think so.
 
 If trump had nothing to hide he should have released the files instead of saying there was nothing and it was a hoax. MAGA voters can see right through his bullshit. It will show in the midterms. As he done everything to close it down.
 
And MAGA knows it ties in nicely with the death of Charlie Kirk. They know this is no Russia gate. That Trump and his rich set are swimming in it.
 
This is NO Russiagate as their up to their necks in it. I’m afraid this article won’t age well. As you have only seen the tip of the iceberg. Calling it a Russiagate completely ignores the victims and the harm that has been done to them. When the victims should be front and centre from day 1.
 
 
 
 
 

Posted by: Clouds Of Alabama | Nov 15 2025 14:34 utc | 166

Posted by: SPQR | Nov 15 2025 14:25 utc | 166
 
Much of this is in the right direction. I don’t agree with a few points but I’m too old and tired these days to go into detail. It’s Saturday morning and the barbecue pit needs cleaning. 🙂

Posted by: Saint Jimmy | Nov 15 2025 14:38 utc | 167

@james #1
Shutdowns in general occur when the party not in power – ie the Presidency of the United States – has sufficient votes in the Senate to block an extension of US borrowing limits.
As the US continues to grow its debt, these limits have to be raised regularly – more than once a year on average.
So said minority party uses shutdowns to achieve specific political gains – generally some form of pork barrel.
For this particular shutdown – the Democrats tried to force Trump to continue federal funding for Medicaid to the states. This funding is supposed to be for standard Medicaid recipients ie government subsidized health care for poor people, but in blue states – it is used for a wide variety of purposes including illegal immigrant health care plans. The entire setup is criminogenic because there is no real accounting of how these payments are used nor is there even any concrete criteria for the amounts requested by the states. This is one of the primary reasons why blue state spending is deficit when Democrats are not in the POTUS.
Note that Medicaid spending is a huge part of the federal budget: 10.3%/$1.1 trillion in 2023. A majority of this is for standard subsidies for health care for people on welfare, but the “trick” used in blue states is to lump in the illegal immigrants with the above. Given that there are over 2.5 million illegal immigrants in California and New York alone along with likely hundreds of thousands of “gray” immigrants. These “gray” immigrants are green card holders via relative entry programs, asylum seekers awaiting adjudication, etc etc – including many older parents/relatives who literally come to the US to retire and receive benefits.
California received over $110 billion for Medicaid in 2024, for example, and New York $31 billion. This is why blue state budgets tend to become heavily deficit during Republican administrations…

Posted by: c1ue | Nov 15 2025 14:39 utc | 168

If the alleged photos from Epstein’s safe are released it’s over for the pissed stained fascist.
 
All we have seen is the tip of the iceberg.
 
It’s Over for many other libtards and fascists too. Over 100 young victims paid out compensation with not 1 photo or video released to the public. Many , many, many photos and videos were made.
 
They will be released. Regardless what Pam Bondi says that nobody should see them.
 
They are coming and it won’t be pretty.
 
 
 
 
 

Posted by: Clouds Of Alabama | Nov 15 2025 14:47 utc | 169

@SPQR | Nov 15 2025 14:25 utc: great post,  shows considerable  thought and an  impressive grasp of our (US working class’) situation.
 
We’re going to need training. We need new industries, and even if we  expand our existing industries, we’ll  need re-training if re-shoring happens. New roles, new  skills, new jobs implies a lot of training. 
 
The  question is how  available is that  training, and what’s it cost. Training itself can be one of those “new industries”,  and AI can actually do some good there. Education more generally needs major cost-reduction, there’s another “industry” (dis-intermediation, rationalization, cost-reduction, etc.)  that’s badly needed. 
 
Yes, I agree with your suggestions about new industries,  and  your point that “defense” spending is a massive, continuing mis-allocation of  resources. Indeed it is.
 
Note that the number of workers necessary to deliver X production has been falling by 2% per year for the past approx. 50 years. See this chart.
 
What that chart _means_ is that every 23 years, we need half  as many workers to produce the same output. Half  as many!
 
That is  what’s happening to  labor. It’s the biggest  factor of all, and it’s inexorable.
 
And as the  workers are turfed out by automation, they have less income, and can’t buy other people’s production,  unless debt  or transfer payments prop up consumption. They also are less able  to afford training, have to take two jobs, less time to get trained. That is a vicious cycle to get into, and it happens a lot. 
 
My solution to that turfing-out labor productivity issue is for the worker to  own the company (or part of it) so they get the benefits of their own productivity increase. You either own the  automation, or ultimately you or your kids  will become the victim of it.
 
Whether you’re a capitalist, socialist, or communist, the forces of automation will  run you over if you’re not positioned to deal with them. 
 
People  say “well, switch-board  operators and typist got turfed out, but then got better jobs in (fill in the blank). When new industry/business formation rates  are high, and those businesses need a lot of labor, that’s true.
 
Do those  conditions pertain now? Much less so, and increasingly less in the future.
 
The reality is that “labor” is going to have to radically  change itself in order to survive. And changing oneself is the  hardest job of all.

Posted by: Tom Pfotzer | Nov 15 2025 14:52 utc | 170

Posted by: Saint Jimmy | Nov 15 2025 14:03 utc | 161

Thanks for your answer. 
 
What’s the “fake “left”” ? If you’re from the US of A and you mean by that “Democrats”, they’re not more “Left” than “fake Left”. The real Left in the US has zero political weight and scope.

By “pro-labor” I mean pro-middle and pro-working class and pro-union.

Then in return I can question your knowledge about “class”. The middle class is not a social class, it’s another divisive category. The Unions and the working class are as different as Unions can be. Unions are here to defend “workers” interest. Hence what I said about the differences between the garbage collectors and the teachers. They’re both “workers” but they came to think they have different interest. FWIK, there’s even management unions… at least in my country…
 

Nonsense.
Posted by: canuk | Nov 15 2025 14:15 utc | 163

Elaborate please.
 

Posted by: xiao pignouf | Nov 15 2025 14:53 utc | 171

Addition to above:
I should note that the reason this shutdown was literally historic, is that Trump is not particularly solicitous of federal employees – unlike neocons and the Democrats. When a shutdown occurs, a little less than half of the federal work force goes on furlough (48% according to Google summary). They don’t work, they don’t get paid but they do get paid for the furloughed period once they return.
I recently applied for a National Institute of Food and Agriculture (NIFA) grant in conjunction with a research chemical engineer from the USDA Agriculture Research Service and an NDSU professor; the ARS employee was affected by the furlough and basically cut off with minimal notice on October 1 or so (the application deadline was October 9). Fortunately, I was able to complete the grant application because she did a fantastic job of setting everything up ahead of time; she was originally supposed to be the prime drafter of all the documentation.
Anyway, firing federal employees is extremely difficult even for the supposed head of (the vast majority) their branch of government – but one of the acceptable reasons is budget shortfalls, for which the shutdown qualifies. Trump fired a bit over 4000 employees right away, when the shutdown started, but this is naturally being litigated and almost certainly why he didn’t try to fire more.
Similarly, the above Medicaid situation saw yet another activist judge action: a federal court in Rhode Island (headed by an Obama appointee) ordered Trump to pay SNAP benefits even though there is no actual federal appropriation ie budgeted money – for Trump to do so. Note this is not that there is NO money available. The problem here is that budget allocation is a function of Congress, and budget spending is a function of the Executive branch ie Trump as US POTUS.
So again the Judicial branch is trying to force the other branches of government to do its bidding – a blatant violation of the Constitution which the Supreme Court rightly slapped down.

Posted by: c1ue | Nov 15 2025 14:54 utc | 172

“Nonsense.”
Posted by: canuk | Nov 15 2025 14:15 utc | 163
 

Elaborate please.
 
Posted by: xiao pignouf | Nov 15 2025 14:53 utc | 173
 
If a government has progressive tax policy whereas the top income earners pay more tax than the lower earners.  That’s a genre of  socialism but it certainly not Communism.
 
Here in Canada, like most civilized countries, no matter how much you earn or even if you don’t have a job you get your health care paid for by the State; that’s socialism.
 
Here in Canada the State will loan or grant monies to student get a college degree-that’s socialism.
 
I could go on, but I think you get the point.
 
 

Posted by: canuk | Nov 15 2025 15:06 utc | 173

Medicare for All is the only way forward, it would save the Government $35 billion each year according to CATO Institute, and would save the larger economy $1 trillion each year.   That and ending US empire/closing 800 US military bases abroad is the only way forward, that’s A$2 trillion dollars each year reinvested, 10% of our GDP suddenly freed up.   But financiers, insurance execs, war contractors, lobbyists, congresscritters are all digging in he cookie jar

Posted by: Scottindallas | Nov 15 2025 15:21 utc | 174

canuck, the CFO and co-founder of Ford, an industrialist through and through (and a Canadian citizen) He devised the progressive income tax, argued for socialized utilities.   He was a Republican and no progressive.   Industry likes a good safety net as labor costs are the costs of living.   Paper pushers like low taxes, but they take and produce literally nothing 

Posted by: Scottindallas | Nov 15 2025 15:24 utc | 175

”  I have found nothing remarkable in that stack. “
 
 
You haven’t been looking hard enough b, 
 
 
1. He said he never knew it was happening and the emails shows he knew everything. Told Maxwell to stop supplying girls. ,To who ?
 
That will come out in the wash in the photos and videos.
 
2. He said it was a hoax and there were no emails.
 
3. He closed it down in June saying there was no file and it was a hoax.
 
Yet, they are just about to have a vote to release this  file that is supposedly a hoax.
 
4. His run to the Whitehouse was built on a campaign to release the files.
 
Yet, Patel, Bondi have done everything they can to stop it from being released.
 
 
MAGA can see the lies and the hypocrisy and the midterms will show it. Shame they’ve only woken up now to the right wing populist bullshit instead of seeing through the sewage years ago.
 
He’s a neoconservative, not who he said he was On the campaign trail. MAGA have worked that out also.
 
He’s just become a Lame duck president or his world is just about to cave in on him if the alleged photos are true.
 
Either way its over for him. We have hit peak Trump. It’s all downhill from here.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Posted by: Clouds Of Alabama | Nov 15 2025 15:30 utc | 176

It’s amazing how finetuned the propaganda our overlords use to control the plebes can be.    How is it possible to get so many people so riled up over the arrest and death of a fixer 6 years ago, but keep them within the lines of approved ranting?
You got your “Israel is the source of all evil” people, you got your “Trump is going down this time for sure!” people,  you got your “Won’t someone please think of the children” people, and they’re all repeating their hysterical talking points, over and over again.
But you have no one calling for the arrest and prosecution of Bill Gates, a known and admitted associate, who is still walking free and conniving against humanity.   You don’t need any damn new “list” released.   His name has already been released, he’s on the manifest, we’ve seen the photos, we know that his wife divorced him over it.  But all the people screaming completely ignore the fact that Bill Gates is guilty as hell and should be put in prison, because the media doesn’t tell them to pay attention to that fact.   So they don’t.
That is some impressive control of the population.  You ever see the Budweiser team of horses controlled by one driver?   Tons of power in those horses, completely subservient to the whims of the guy with the reins and the whip.  
But it’s pretty pathetic when it comes to humans.

Posted by: wagelaborer | Nov 15 2025 15:36 utc | 177

Posted by: wagelaborer | Nov 15 2025 15:36 utc | 177
That is an important point – slobbering over the sexploitation aspect is what they want. Not that there aren’t victims and that they should be recognised and get retribution, but far, far more important are the hordes of elites sucked into Epstein’s influence network who will look very compromised and vulnerable if exposed.
Leaving disclosure in the hands of either the DNC or GOP will inevitably lead to a limited hangout designed to take out a few ‘enemies’/patsies whilst making sure the majority of ‘people who matter’ get off scot free.
Professor Jiang (linked above) has the hypothesis that Trump is deliberately mishandling the release (kayfabe stylee) to stoke public anger to the point where full and complete disclosure of the whole sordid mess will be the only solution. I guess we will have to wait and see – the JFK saga from his first term does not bode well.
Meanwhile way trust in the Establishment and Elites is taking a severe beating….

Posted by: ChatNPC | Nov 15 2025 15:50 utc | 178

The biggest problem for America and for the world is that everyone can be a millonare.  Read the trouble with Kansas by Tomas Frank.
People will vote against themselves today in the belief that it will help them tommorrw. But Tommorow never comes.

Posted by: steve | Nov 15 2025 15:58 utc | 179

Women here are definitely NOT paid less than men and haven’t been for 30 or 40 years. 
Posted by: Saint Jimmy | Nov 15 2025 14:03 utc | 161

That is refutable on so many levels.
 
Of course, the gender pay gap has narrowed, but to claim that equality was achieved 30 or 40 years ago is completely unrealistic.
 
Certainly, a single childless woman, with the same qualifications and experience, can compete with men. But I doubt that a married woman with children, whose working day continues unpaid at home, much to the delight of society as she raises, feeds, and cares for future workers, can do the same.
 
Another thing: it is strange that this absence of a gender pay gap that you praise so highly is actually the result of the “woke” (i.e. feminist) struggles that you condemn so vehemently.

Posted by: canuk | Nov 15 2025 15:06 utc | 173

What are we talking about ? You confuse leftists for progressives. Leftists are most certainly progressives, but progressives are not necessarily leftists. A country that have a proper healthcare system, like Canada, France or UK do, are not ruled by progressive, let alone leftists. You can call it “socialism” if you want, in the end, it’s not because you eat veggies that you’re a vegan. To me, it’s only a matter of perception.
 
By the way, Communists don’t want the rich to pay more tax. They want everybody to pay tax.

Posted by: xiao pignouf | Nov 15 2025 16:05 utc | 180

Posted by: xiao pignouf | Nov 15 2025 14:53 utc | 171
 
The real left has zero power in the US. Correct and we tried to give you some reasons for that but you don’t seem to get it. I guess you have to live here. Teachers and janitors most certainly have common interests. 

Posted by: Saint Jimmy | Nov 15 2025 16:05 utc | 181

Posted by: canuk | Nov 15 2025 15:06 utc | 173
 
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You do not understand socialism or economics.
Your conceptions are not rooted in logic, humanism, or practice.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 15 2025 16:16 utc | 182

Re: Epstein
 
Lets be clear – the real reveal will be that plenty of victims were sadistically tortured and then ritually murdered. 

Posted by: Exile | Nov 15 2025 16:19 utc | 183

Brennan, I can’t believe you prefer Medicaid, warehouse/clinic style medicine to Medicare, Dr office/boutique healthcare that many of us grew up with.   
I appreciate the efficiency of the Medicaid model and for healthier people it’s a good model.   Our system provides decent care for those who need it with congenital issues.  But expanding the Medicaid model would be great frugal policy.   
Utilities should be wholly socialized.   (Utilities includes, healthcare, education and basic banking) but each of these are professional/fiduciary markets, not just service providers like electric, water, sewage/drainage, roads.   
If you grant this, and support progressive income taxes, you’re in line with me ad GOP Sen James Couzens, CFO and co-founder of Ford, (the man who came up with he $5 workday and 5 day work week; he wanted his workers to be customers)  Real producers don’t pay income taxes, but the executives, financers and paper pushers do, and they produce nothing.   Taxing them, reduces overhead and taxation from renters.   This is how you limit the ills of fiat currency, and financiers.   

Posted by: Scottindallas | Nov 15 2025 16:20 utc | 184

The US Gvmt. Shutdown.
 
Afaik,  happens from time to time, though not for so (now) many days.  The mechanisms all rest (imho) on archaic methods of governance, with ‘enshrined rules and procedures’ that aren’t adapted to today, and simply afford opportunities for fights at the top, manipulations that may lead to one faction ‘winning’ XYZ (probably not what the public imagines), the other ‘caving’ for reasons ABC (idem), etc. 
 
That ‘food stamps’ (SNAP) could be unpaid, delayed, or only partially paid is scandalous, horrific, using such a lever or threat is beyond any human dignity.  ( > Palestinians deprived of food, not the same level of course.) 
 
From far off, Idk, just one take.  >  The shut-down HAD to be ended because it impacted air traffic (Air Controllers are Fed. employees, as unpaid, they tend to not show up, quit, be absent as looking for other jobs, etc.)  The Chaos created was bothersome to the top 1%, top 5% -> 10%.  (?…)

Posted by: Noirette | Nov 15 2025 16:24 utc | 185

Posted by: Saint Jimmy | Nov 15 2025 16:05 utc | 181
 
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Could you reduce that to a more profound and useful truth, that different humans doing different jobs, have common human needs, expectations, and capabilities?
 
In my mind, class thinking leads to erroneous and imprecise conclusions.
 
The Left has been led down a dark alley that has a dead end by self-serving Judaic philosophy. By design.
 
 
I do not believe it is an accident that the Chinese have near zero Judaic influence in any domain, and they are the current and most successful (to-date) model for humanity…

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 15 2025 16:25 utc | 186

“It is hard to imagine the circumstances that would inspire Chomsky to phone Epstein from a prison in Brazil. A mind-bending arc occurs as we, or residents of Anytown, USA, attempt to comprehend this.”@steel_porcupine | Nov 15 2025 1:36 utc | 127I just arrived…Do you mean Epstein called Chomsky from a prison?Or was Chomsky visiting somebody in a prison?

Posted by: petergrfstrm | Nov 15 2025 16:26 utc | 187

Posted by: Saint Jimmy | Nov 15 2025 16:05 utc | 181
I totally acknowledge that not being a US citizen kind of blur my understanding. But first, I answered you on a more widely Westerner point of view. Remember “wether in the US or elsewhere” ?
 

The real left has zero power in the US. Correct and we tried to give you some reasons for that but you don’t seem to get it

There you pretend you did something. Who’s “we” ? Canuck ? I answered him. Plus I’m not interested in the reasons. Why should I ? I think I know more or less these reasons, basically the same as in the UK. I don’t expect nor advocate for the US to become even a socialist country. In fact, I don’t give a rat’s ass.
 

Teachers and janitors most certainly have common interests.

That’s you who don’t get my point : of course they have ! But they’re convinced they don’t. At least in France. Maybe in the US of A they fight neck and neck… And please, don’t take it to the letter. It’s a figure of speech. It just means that generally speaking, wherever it is, the working class is divided. Again : cui bono ?

Posted by: xiao pignouf | Nov 15 2025 16:40 utc | 188

Posted by: xiao pignouf | Nov 15 2025 16:05 utc | 180
 
Blah,blah, blah…
 
The whole right wing/left wing model is bullshit.
 
It is a line, but in reality , its actually a circle.
 
On top of the circle on the Left is Stalin just a cunt’s hair on the Right is Hitler.
 
The far right and the far left are both repressive, (1) authoritarian  , censorious .irreligious- As their religious model is their political ideology.
 
Right to the bottom of the circle is where the sweet spot for the people to reside.; free speech, no censorship, tolerance of religions,social mobility., pacifism
 
In my opinion the China hybrid Capitalism/Communist is the nearest to the opposite of the circle..In China they will take the Oligarchs down no matter how much money they have-last time I saw that happen in the West as when they nabbed Martha Stewart in 2009 put the poor bitch in jail   Meanwhile the prick that .bankrupted Lehman Brothers , Richard Fuld-the company went tits, he got a $500 Million payment from the entrails of Lehman.in 2008,
 
I digress.
 
1. Think of the last scene in Animal Farm (Orwell) when the pigs and the farmers looked visually the same to the working animals-same as my circle..

Posted by: canuk | Nov 15 2025 16:50 utc | 189

Isreal won most elections in the west just recently. Does that count?
Posted by: Tannenhouser | Nov 14 2025 22:40 utc | 116
 
Israel stole the elections in the West, and not just recently. 
 
 

Posted by: Nooneuknow | Nov 15 2025 16:50 utc | 190

Posted by: Exile | Nov 15 2025 16:19 utc | 183
 
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I wouldn’t be surprised if cannibalism were involved.
 
The Zionists are still pagans at heart. Nothing is sacred and feeding on “lesser” creatures is their “right”.
 
What Epstein did (and there are people still doing it) is inhuman, yet no one speaks of it in those terms.
 
Everyone who participated or condoned those evils also is guilty.
 
That so many people struggle to say that evil is wrong is testament to how far some have fallen.
 
That, IMO, is Trump’s great failing on this subject. He almost seems to approve of Epstein, like he approves of Bibi’s genocide.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 15 2025 16:54 utc | 191

Posted by: Nooneuknow | Nov 15 2025 16:50 utc | 190
 
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In the Zionist mind, stealing is winning because the people being robbed are subhuman cattle, and a Zionist is shamed if he lets a goyim “get one over on him”. Tom Collins shared an article about it before the site moved.
 
Understanding the Zionist mind and the obsession with profiting at the expense of others…
 
Healthy and well-adjusted people can’t relate to it. It’s alien to humans to be so predatory of others in the same species.
 
Most people tend to be compassionate and sympathetic, not looking for ways to trap and exploit.
 
Not the Zionists.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 15 2025 17:00 utc | 192

@Scottindallas | Nov 15 2025 15:21 utc.
Well-said: cut defense (mostly) and  Medicare for all would have a big positive effect on the economy, and a lot of  grifters would get  turfed out,  as a bonus. 

Posted by: Tom Pfotzer | Nov 15 2025 17:08 utc | 193

Posted by: xiao pignouf | Nov 15 2025 16:40 utc | 188
 
Huh? I did give you reasons. You apparently have a comprehension problem. Oh well. I’m tired of corresponding with a mule.
 
The issues here are much different than in the UK or France. Workers of all types here – from upper middle class to the working poor – have little to NO benefits or job security or retirement. Personal debt and bankruptcy are huge problems. You can get fired for looking at someone the wrong way. Basically, you can get fired for any reason. Good luck getting another job at a living wage. You won’t get one. One significant health problem can bankrupt your family. Functional unemployment is about 25 percent. Homelessness is growing. College education is hyper-expensive. Very, very different than the UK or EU or even Russia. 

Posted by: Saint Jimmy | Nov 15 2025 17:09 utc | 194

@canuk #173
The theory of progressive taxation does not hold up in reality.
Between tax havens and lobbied for tax breaks, the really rich people pay less taxes than their poorer peers. This is certainly true in the United States.
As for Canada’s socialized health care: the problem is that Canada’s prohibition against any competing private health care is itself bad. You don’t need either fully socialized health care or Canada’s draconian state monopoly of health care.
All you need is a base national health care system to keep the private providers honest – a situation which most of the world enjoys.
Plus given Canada’s insane government, I would be awfully concerned over whether said government will, at some point, start denying health care to those it considers politically unacceptable…

Posted by: c1ue | Nov 15 2025 17:17 utc | 195

@steve #179
You have totally missed the boat on what Thomas Frank actually says – which is that the left in the United States has shifted focus to the professional/managerial classes ie the rich and educated, as opposed to their original blue collar base.

Posted by: c1ue | Nov 15 2025 17:20 utc | 196

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 15 2025 17:00 utc | 192
 
Well aware of the Zionist mindset, my friend.
 
You could give them the entire world and when they ran everybody else out, killed them, or feasted on them to sate their bloodlusts, they’d turn on each other. But they don’t really know that yet. They will learn, but they don’t know now, which is why they gotta, gotta, gotta get it all before the Sun equalizes the playing field as it does every 12,000 years or so. 
 
 

Posted by: Nooneuknow | Nov 15 2025 17:21 utc | 197

The issues here are much different than in the UK or France. Workers of all types here – from upper middle class to the working poor – have little to NO benefits or job security or retirement. Personal debt and bankruptcy are huge problems. You can get fired for looking at someone the wrong way. Basically, you can get fired for any reason. Good luck getting another job at a living wage. You won’t get one. One significant health problem can bankrupt your family. Functional unemployment is about 25 percent. Homelessness is growing. College education is hyper-expensive. Very, very different than the UK or EU or even Russia. 
 
Posted by: Saint Jimmy | Nov 15 2025 17:09 utc | 194
 
Nice comment to sum it up.  Sadly, abroad many slaves believe the hype of the US Imperialists who they claim to despise.  The American workers are all rich without a care in the world they prance around gold paved streets and laugh about Imperialist slaughter abroad amidst the opulence of their country.  They also enjoy a pure democracy in which the members of the Democratic and Republican parties always give them exactly what they want and constantly improve their living standards.  Of course their media and education system has explained in detail what Imperialism actually does abroad and at home and of course with that full disclosure they knowingly support everything Imperialism is and does.  That’s the tale many slaves outside the US hear.  And although they know US Imperialism is totally without morals and perfectly anti humanity, they choose to believe the tale!  This pleases master as he does not want any unity of purpose developing between the workers in the US and those abroad.  The slaves must remain in their national cages so that the international system of wage slavery and genocide can continue to function without disturbance.  

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Nov 15 2025 17:22 utc | 198

@Scottindallas #174
Medicare for all is a popular notion but it is bullshit.
The real problem in the United States is the lack of any form of health care alternatives outside the health insurance model. The US health insurance model is where Amazon got its “no lower prices outside of Amazon” idea from – the effect of which was to raise prices across the board to whatever the price is on Amazon.
Medicare keeps costs relatively lower because of its price index, but even that is ridiculously high – again because it is a financial model, not a price index based on what health care actually costs to provide. The prices paid for health care under Medicare are still far higher than pretty much the entire rest of the world including the very rich nations.
The reason why most of the rest of the world has affordable health care is because of either a national health care system which provides instant, affordable and understandable health care options (almost the entire rest of the world) or has a basically government price index which the private providers follow (Japan).

Posted by: c1ue | Nov 15 2025 17:25 utc | 199

. It just means that generally speaking, wherever it is, the working class is divided. Again : cui bono ?
 
Posted by: xiao pignouf | Nov 15 2025 16:40 utc | 188
 
That much is true.  And we know who bono, don’t we?  

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Nov 15 2025 17:26 utc | 200