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November 14, 2025
Thoughts On The Shutdown

What was the point of the government shutdown?

Caveat – I have not followed the issue in depth. My understanding is that the Democrats blocked the funding of the government because they wanted additional money for one of their healthcare programs.

Trump used the time of the shutdown to further his politics.

Six weeks later, just as the public was turning against the Republicans, the Democrats caved in:

The longest government shutdown in U.S. history came to an end Wednesday after the House approved the Senate-passed funding package, and President Trump signed the bill into law.

The legislation extends funding for most agencies until Jan. 30 and includes three bills that fund other parts of the government through September 2026.

The Senate approved the legislation on Monday, when seven Democrats and one independent who caucuses with Democrats joined Republicans to end the standoff in the upper chamber. Six House Democrats crossed the aisle and voted to reopen the government.

The only thing that the Democrats have ‘won’ was a promise to put the additional healthcare money to a separate vote:

Eight Senate Democrats broke ranks to reach a deal with Republicans to end the shutdown, dashing the party’s effort to win an extension of expiring Affordable Care Act tax credits in return for their vote to reopen the government. ..

As part of the deal, Democrats secured a promise to hold a vote next month on the tax credits, which help millions of Americans pay for health insurance premiums for plans purchased on state exchanges.

The Republicans will of course reject that measure.

By the way: Why were the tax credits, part of Obama’s health care reforms, time limited in the first place?

To hide their utter defeat the Democrats released a slew of Epstein emails with the hope to plant new sensational rumors about Trump.  I have found nothing remarkable in that stack.

If this looks like a second Russiagate its because it is similar bullshit.

Instead of being a real opposition to Trump’s wars and miserable programs the Democrats’ are pushing performative nonsense.

Do they expect to get votes for that?

Comments

i haven’t been following it either.. my friend in colorado has tried to get me  up to speed on this topic.. he says as you note ‘the dems caved’ and schumer is hopeless… he also says this shutdown could start up again.. meanwhile the focus was supposed to be on keeping obamacare, but not sure what the dems did here has worked…  i look forward to reading americans views on all this.. thanks for raising the issue here b..  it seems to me like one more example of the wheels falling off the empires chariot.. 

Posted by: james | Nov 14 2025 16:11 utc | 1

related… here is a youtube interview with patrick henningsen which starts at 1 hour into a double interview that danny haiphong posted 1 day ago…  he is trashing trump.. 

Posted by: james | Nov 14 2025 16:15 utc | 2

b: Why were the tax credits, part of Obama’s health care reforms, time limited in the first place?
 
This sunsetting strategy, at least one aspect of this as a strategy, is that an issue that is popular with the electorate and favors one party will never die – it keeps coming up on a regular basis. 
 
 b: Do they expect to get votes for that?
 
They think they have already.  

Posted by: frithguild | Nov 14 2025 16:16 utc | 3

You’re not American, so your ignorance is understandable. Elections in New York and Virginia aren’t going to be heavily contested by Republicans- for a variety of reasons those states HATE President Trump and his first year has been designed to punish them further. But they could have had a crushing drop in turnout as people realize the Democrats are worthless. So shutdown theater was needed to maintain some amount of base support. Once that was over, of course they caved! The alternative was crippled air travel over Thanksgiving weekend and a total collapse of SNAP.
 
The speed of the cave not only shows how performative the whole shutdown was, it exposes anyone who thought the special elections granted “leverage” as a total retard. Don’t forget that Russiagate was at least temporarily a success-  it forced a Special Counsel appointment, and led to a good midterm result for the Democrats. Now the Democrats don’t even have convincing performances to point to. It’s the difference between Ukraine 2022 and Ukraine 2025.

Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Nov 14 2025 16:17 utc | 4

B.  You seem to be misinformed on the ACA issue.
 
The Democrats didn’t want addition money for healthcare.  They wanted the existing programs not to be cut.
 
On why:

Why were the tax credits, part of Obama’s health care reforms, time limited in the first place?

 
The bill was largely drafted by opponents of a practical healthcare plan.  Its principle feature is an individual mandate.

The bill was taken from a plan put together by Republican Sen. John Chafee of Rhode Island in 1993. The bill he introduced, Health Equity and Access Reform Today, (yes, that spells HEART) had a list of 20 co-sponsors that was a who’s who of Republican leadership. There was Minority Leader Bob Dole, R- Kan., Sens. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, Richard Lugar, R-Ind., and many others. There also were two Democratic co-sponsors.
 
https://www.quora.com/Who-drafted-the-bill-that-became-the-Affordable-Care-Act-Obama-or-the-Congress

 

 

 

Posted by: too scents | Nov 14 2025 16:24 utc | 5

Ultimately on surface you have narratives related to democrats, republicans, election strategies, getting tit-for-tat etc. But beyond the surface the government shutdown was related to one single thing – refinancing of US government bonds worth $7 trillion. 
US gov expenses needed all the help they could get in reducing, even for a month or two at this critical juncture. Pushing down bond issuance and refinancing at lower rates. Democrat controlled Fed chair didn’t play ball in lowering rates over these few months, keeping bond yields higher than they would have been otherwise.
The side effects of this is of course reduced liquidity flows to US banks amid frozen and non-paid wages and soon potential bank crisis and market meltdown. Most social support programs in US were frozen, people left without food and support. Consumer economy comes to a halt causing an ever bigger recession.

Posted by: unimperator | Nov 14 2025 16:24 utc | 6

My impression is that Democrats were under enormous pressure from their base to do something, anything to show that they can stand up to Trump. Instead they showed beyond any reasonable doubt that Democrats are totally dysfunctional as an opposition party. Good job! (Many of us knew that already.)
When I talk to other people about the difference between Democrats and Republicans, I’ve been saying for at least 25 years now that the difference is that Republicans just do whatever their Big Money donors tell them to do.  Democrats OTOH whine and cry and shed a lot of crocodile tears…and then do whatever their Big Money donors tell them to do. 
Some democracy!

Posted by: JohnH | Nov 14 2025 16:28 utc | 7

Thank you b.
 
Those subsidies are enhanced subsidies that passed during covid and were meant to be temporary. 
 
Our Healthcare system sucks, is prohibitively expensive, and has much worse outcomes than most other wealthy nations.   I have skipped insurance for over three years and pray I don’t get cancer in order to avoid bankruptcy.  A concierge doctor who refuses to deal with insurance costs me $70 a month.  
 
The cheapest insurance I could find without the subsidies was over $1700 a month for a couple and included a $15,000 deductible per year.   What’s the point?
 
As Jimmy Dore says, health insurance is not healthcare.  Only the middle men are getting rich in our crappy system and only government and quasi government workers get decent health coverage at an affordable price. 

Posted by: cc | Nov 14 2025 16:30 utc | 8

The “shutdown” is useless theater, to promote false conflict. Divide and Rule. A story as old as time. 
 
The US hasn’t had a real budget process in almost 20 years. The Blob rules in the background, and buys what they want. The shutdown is to fool you into thinking they are in conflict. 
 
Now, end that Senate filibuster, and it’d promote some conflict, some juice. No hiding out and protecting vulnerable senators. The Blob would be weakened some, to the good. But in the meantime, they rule completely. 

Posted by: seer | Nov 14 2025 16:32 utc | 9

The USA “government shutdown” is theater, possibly a psychological / advertising campaign to assure the sheep that we have two political parties and are a democracy. Our corporate captured uniparty of one half dems and half repubs needed distraction from the the obvious sameness of our parties representatives pandering to themselves and their sponsors. Until we elect independents who represent the citizens, and get rid of politicians carrying party baggage, we in all countries are going to get screwed. 

Posted by: Ross | Nov 14 2025 16:36 utc | 10

The Democrats will have to undergo some kind of internal revolution similar to the GOP’s Tea Party in 2010. Barring that, they really shot themselves in the foot. Their constituents aren’t getting that ACA extension. The Republicans now know that the Democrats have enough turncoats to cave on anything. Senator Kaine’s excuse was that he didn’t want people asking him about the shutdown in church. C’mon, man. Grow a backbone and explain the problem to people in terms they can understand.
 
ACA is good as dead. It will be bad for American workers, of course, but it will be a bonanza for the rich insurance, pharmaceutical, and financial interests that have long funded opposition to single-payer healthcare in the US.
 
I would have been in favor of keeping the government shutdown. No more new bad laws, a fiscally restrained executive police state, what’s not to like? Well, people would go hungry without SNAP, but there’s a simple solution that kind of thing: revolution.

Posted by: fnord | Nov 14 2025 16:41 utc | 11

Epstein stuff was always going to come out as Christmas approached. In 60 days, one of the most vicious midterm election cycles will be in full force.
 
It’s not revenge, it’s strategy. Epstein is the “own goal” which will wreck the Republicans like “Me Too” wrecked Hollywood.
 
The Dems must win back power before Trump can establish a 1,000 year Palantir Reich with them and their curated constituency of misfit toys on the outside.
 
The shutdowns are internecine battles within the uniparty. One thing always remains constant, the spending and debt grows. The fundamental issues are never addressed.
 
The details of who, when, and why are not important compared to what this episode heralds. More decline, more desperation, and more social fracturing.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 14 2025 16:43 utc | 12

The issue of ACA funded health care is no small one.  With the big health care insurers morphing into vertical monopolies, the individual as well as hospitals have been left behind.  In the US, outside of Medicare, health care benefits are largely tied to employment.  With unemployment due to lay off, health issues that preclude working or other issues, funding for health care ends.  Large insurers do not and will not write individual policies – enter the ACA.  Also, even with employer subsidy, many lower income families cannot afford their contribution.  Where this hits the hospitals is that any hospital built with Hill Burton monies is legally mandated to provide care. irrespective of payor status, usually via the ER (and if severe issue up to the floors).  They also face  malpractice attorneys who are quick to sue if any lapse in the standard of care.  With high volumes of  no or low  pay patients (uninsured, illegal, high risk patients with absurd total caps) and the requirement that each and every patient receive the standard of care for their injury, life threatening illness, et. al., the situation is fiscally unsustainable.  ACA mitigated these issues to some degree.  Going “bare naked” without these subsidies will result in far more than rural hospitals plunging into bankruptcy.  To say nothing of the rampant spread of infectious disease (think reservoirs) as much of the  populace cannot access even basic care.  US needs a realistic discussion and approach to health care.  The shut down propaganda simply further distorted any popular understanding.

Posted by: abierno | Nov 14 2025 16:43 utc | 13

Posted by: cc | Nov 14 2025 16:30 utc | 8
 
Yep. Wholeheartedly agree and I’m one of the lucky ones with affordable coverage. We need major reforms in so many areas…. 

Posted by: Saint Jimmy | Nov 14 2025 16:44 utc | 14

“Do they expect to get votes for that?”
Yes they do … after all, who else are you gonna vote for? TINA … 

Posted by: Caliman | Nov 14 2025 16:45 utc | 15

Some of it has to do with support for Israel I recon. Unlike most Trump actually has a base of supporters and thus he can actually trade favors even with the all powerful zionist lobby. I think one of the reason for Trump being such a diehard helper is in return Democrat leadership who r all zionists don’t get in the way of his domestic agenda and his own looting through his schemes 

Posted by: A.z | Nov 14 2025 16:46 utc | 16

I am a bit unfamiliar with American politics.
 
Which party is in favour of subsidizing the rich, ignoring domestic infrastructure, and ongoing international wars?
Does it matter which clowns win elections if both parties have the same policies?
A 2-party state is exactly twice as democratic as a 1-party state.

Posted by: Polli | Nov 14 2025 16:48 utc | 17

The cheapest insurance I could find without the subsidies was over $1700 a month for a couple and included a $15,000 deductible per year.   What’s the point?Posted by: cc | Nov 14 2025 16:30 utc | 8
That sounds like a lot of votes for anyone who can fix this. By saving ACA, by bringing down the costs of healthcare in general (Trump seems to make some progress here). Or by taking on healthcare insurers. For collecting enormous fees and refusing to pay when money is needed (remember the CEO that was shot recently, where large parts of America were on the side of the assassin?)

Posted by: Marvin | Nov 14 2025 16:51 utc | 18

— D’s take bribes from insurance companies.  Those insurance companies profit from O-care subsidies.   D’s were fighting to protect the insurance companies, not to protect citizens.– no one likes O-care … except insurance companies.– neither party has a plan to fix health care.– the shutdown was only possible because of the filibuster, which almost no other country has, and which is not in our constitution.  The filibuster needs to go.– in sum, there were no good guys in the shutdown fight.  Both parties work for the rich.  The U.S. is a banana republic with nukes.

Posted by: Dan Lynch | Nov 14 2025 16:52 utc | 19

About the election strategy, Western Democracy is not meritocratic.
 
It is emotional where reason and logic are suspended.
 
American elections are more and more (perhaps always were) about “animal spirits”.
 
Who is perceived strongest, who alleviates social guilt, who is perceived as inevitable.
 
Shutdowns are a white noise wall of blaming one another like children.
 
The average punter doesn’t care about the facts, they want to know who to blame and who to punish.
 
The strategy, as imagined by moi months ago, was to use Epstein to make the Republicans beyond the pale to vote for. The Dems don’t have to win, they just have to make sure the GOP loses.
 
This is only the beginning. The Dems haven’t even started lying yet. 😂😂😂
 
And when the GOP loses the House and maybe a Senate seat or two, the impeachment phase will begin where Trump will be paralyzed politically.
 
So much of Trump’s Republican political support is predicated on him being a winner, a strong daddy.
 
Once being associated with Trump becomes a political liability, the GOP will (metaphorically) stab him in the Senate, and thus dies Caesar.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 14 2025 16:57 utc | 20

“Six weeks later, just as the public was turning against the Republicans, the Democrats caved in”
As Obama explained way back when: the rivalry between the two Imperialist genocidal parties of the US is simply an “intramural scrimmage”.  They agree with Trump and their billionaire overlords on nearly everything: crushing the workers, genocide, war with Russia/China, tech dystopia to mentally destroy the youth.  Literally everything!
As for the Epstein emails.  I respectfully disagree.  Check dropsite or Johnstone.  The emails are powerful evidence that Epstein was indeed an agent of Israeli intelligence, which perfectly explains why he had such access to the elite and compiled fatally compromising dossiers on them.  Oh and why he had to be murdered in his cell.  
 
 

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Nov 14 2025 16:58 utc | 21

Epstein stuff was always going to come out as Christmas approached. In 60 days, one of the most vicious midterm election cycles will be in full force.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 14 2025 16:43 utc | 12
Absolutely. Trump has shown that wathever his “deal making” qualities are, he still is a naive and boorish politician.
The Epstein files were one of his big campaign promise. Even if his ties with Epstein were not so “loose” and “terminated” as he previously stated, he could have crushed the Dems with it, throwing under the bus a lot of Dem big wigs, creating a nationwide scandal. He would have driven the narrative, taking the initiative, managing the damages of whatever would then be thrown at him, saying opponents were only trying to stain him with false defensive accusations.
Instead of managing the situtation, he let it rot, tried to memory hole the topic, alienated a whole chunk of his voting base, showed to be a liar, gave rise to suspiscions about his doings on Epstein island, and gave the initiative to the oppoition. Of course, some names will emerge and some pawns would be sacrified (look at Britain : they threw old useless Prince Andrew to the media, and now everything is fine), but he would have secured his win for the mid-terms.
This was a major political blunder, and whoever counseled to him to keep burying the topic is either a damn moron or a traitor. And Trump could pay a heavy price for this lack of political awareness.

Posted by: Pierrot | Nov 14 2025 16:58 utc | 22

Posted by: A.z | Nov 14 2025 16:46 utc | 16

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Yes, Trump appears to have given the neocons and zionists the run of the field, (Except re Ukraine). They may be giving him some relief elsewhere. 

Posted by: seer | Nov 14 2025 16:59 utc | 23

discussion is derailed the minute anyone/everyone conflates “healthcare”
with coverage. Implies a false premise and serves the purposes of those making money for nothin.

Posted by: Not Ewe | Nov 14 2025 17:00 utc | 24

D’s take bribes from insurance companies. Those insurance companies profit from O-care subsidies. D’s were fighting to protect the insurance companies, not to protect citizens.– no one likes O-care … except insurance companies.– neither party has a plan to fix health care.– the shutdown was only possible because of the filibuster, which almost no other country has, and which is not in our constitution. The filibuster needs to go.– in sum, there were no good guys in the shutdown fight. Both parties work for the rich. The U.S. is a banana republic with nukes.
 
Posted by: Dan Lynch | Nov 14 2025 16:52 utc | 19
 
Straight forward, simple and true!  Peace and love to you, Danny Boy!

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Nov 14 2025 17:00 utc | 25

The Epstein sideshow/main attraction is no different than the Shutdown sideshow/main attraction.
Nothing new needs to be known if no one is going to be held accountable.
Nothing new is being offered. ALL of the old scalding facts are somehow forgotten, and the show will go on.
It is long since past the case that a dead hooker or a live boy could be a problem.
God bless America.

Posted by: Not Ewe | Nov 14 2025 17:03 utc | 26

Die Kuh ist noch nicht vom Eis, es nur eine Pause zum Nachdenken und weiterer Propaganda.Am Jan. 30 geht es weiter.Der Sinn? Nur Kräftemessen der beiden Parteien, die Hoffnung, doch noch (bzw. eben nicht) eine Mehrheit irgendwo zu bekommen, wobei es momentan so scheint, als hätten die Republikaner mehr Geld in gegnerische Parlamentarier “investiert”, als umgekehrt.

Posted by: smartfox | Nov 14 2025 17:06 utc | 27

Is there more about this than “when Coke is in Power, Pepsi will shut down, when Pepsi is in Power, Coke will shut down”?
when Coke is in Power, they will do law fare against Pepsi, …
Bolsonaro against Lula, Lula against Bolsonaro
German block parties incl CDU against AFD (most of the AFD members left CDU when CDU under Merkel took a turn to catch more left minded votes)
All signs of a disintegrating systems, everywhere in the West
 

Posted by: steiniplatte | Nov 14 2025 17:07 utc | 28

USA politrix = Coke© or Pepsi©.
Germs – Shutdown RIP Darby Crash

Posted by: lex talionis | Nov 14 2025 17:07 utc | 29

The cow is not out of the woods yet; it’s just a pause for reflection and further propaganda.Things will continue on January 30.The point? Just a showdown between the two parties, hoping to still (or not) get a majority somewhere, although at the moment it seems as if the Republicans have “invested” more money in opposing parliamentarians than vice versa.

Posted by: smartfox | Nov 14 2025 17:07 utc | 30

Posted by: Pierrot | Nov 14 2025 16:58 utc | 22
 
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One of Trump’s political issues is that he barks more than he bites.
 
That strategy has a built-in expiry date and diminishing returns.
 
His lack of awareness of when to befriend and when to destroy (politically) has lead to showing weakness, and in politics, weakness is always punished.
 
Maybe he didn’t have the support necessary to make power moves but as he sucks up to Lindsey Graham and celebrates Bibi Netanyahu, he alienates his base, without his fanatical base of MAGAtards, he’s nothing.
 
As a staunch anti-Imperialist, I love this, but it is as predictable as reciting the Alphabet.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 14 2025 17:08 utc | 31

I was working in the ER as a nurse when Obamacare passed.  I supported single payer at the time, but instead the Democrats passed the Romneycare bill that enriched insurance companies with forced tithing.
But that wasn’t the first thing that happened.  The forced tithing, with IRS income tax punishment for those too poor to afford it, didn’t kick in until 2013, after Obama was safely re-elected.  The first thing was a $50 billion hand-out to Big Tech, to put every clinic and hospital in the country onto electronic medical records.    
I was opposed to that because of the access it gave the government to private medical information, https://wagelaborer.blogspot.com/2008/12/health-care-in-america.html, but the immediate effect for us workers was to learn how to work a new computer system, and the pain in the butt it was to be facing a computer on the wall instead of the patient, and to have to check boxes that may or may not have applied to their situation, instead of writing down what they told us about it, and to try to come up with a chief complaint from the list provided.   
 
In 2013, along with the forced insurance tithing enforcement, they forced all medical employees to get annual flu shots, whether or not you had any contact with patients, (which shows it was about a handout to Big Pharma, not safety).   
Part of Obamacare was that Medicare would decrease payments to hospitals and clinics unless they forced every employee to be injected annually.   I refused in 2015, and they fired me, although I had been a good employee for 23 years.
I changed my mind about single payer when two of my most right wing co-workers, a nurse and a doctor, separately told me “You are right about medical care.  It should not be for-profit.  This is ridiculously expensive.  Let’s nationalize it, and we can be government employees and get actual benefits and a pension.”Yes.  They were right.  Why have the government pay for a for-profit system?  That is a recipe for graft and abuse, as well as skyrocketing prices.  I changed from “single payer” (the government paying for graft and corruption, to “nationalization”.
Nationalize the whole damn thing.  The hospitals, clinics, drug companies, medical supply corporations, nursing homes….the whole thing.  No profits anywhere, just the government providing health care to its citizens, the way that decent countries do.
This shutdown farce, supposedly to pay for illegal immigrant care,  has nothing to do with providing health care.  It has to do with keeping the grift going.
Zelensky has nothing on Big Pharma, Big Hospitals, and Big Insurance grifters.

Posted by: wagelaborer | Nov 14 2025 17:08 utc | 32

Shoutout to steinplatte!  

Posted by: lex talionis | Nov 14 2025 17:08 utc | 33

I am a bit unfamiliar with American politics.
 
Which party is in favour of subsidizing the rich, ignoring domestic infrastructure, and ongoing international wars?
Does it matter which clowns win elections if both parties have the same policies?
A 2-party state is exactly twice as democratic as a 1-party state.
 
Posted by: Polli | Nov 14 2025 16:48 utc | 17
 
 
Word up!

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Nov 14 2025 17:08 utc | 34

I think the “purpose” of the Shutdown by Dems was to distract from the sudden focus on Israeli behavior [genocide[s] at home & state-sponsored murder/terrorism abroad]. And I think, they largely succeeded in this task.  Both parties are dominated by Israeli-First quislings but, the Democrats, since they got the assassination of JFK memo are will to publicly perform fellatio on any/all Israeli initiative/individuals.
 
Unlike the “blue-no-matter-who” crowd, Trump-coalition-voters were turning against the administration’s antics, in particular, those represented by M Rubio’s [war-eternal] and by K Patel’s [personal corruption and that of the FBI by Israeli agents & assets].  Both policies in direct contravention of the desires of Trump-coalition-voters.  Now with the shutdown over, the focus with return to issues that divide Trump-coalition-voters from Israeli-Firsters in the Republican-party but, the issue is now dated and the media-mockingbirds will migrate further south for the winter.
 
Israel was saved by their band of Democratic quislings in DC, thirty pieces of silver for all involved.

Posted by: S Brennan | Nov 14 2025 17:09 utc | 35

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 14 2025 16:57 utc | 20
 
Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss. 

Posted by: Saint Jimmy | Nov 14 2025 17:11 utc | 36

I think one of the reason for Trump being such a diehard helper is in return Democrat leadership who r all zionists don’t get in the way of his domestic agenda and his own looting through his schemes 
Posted by: A.z | Nov 14 2025 16:46 utc | 16
I’ll go one further and say the Zio support among the Dems probably put him in the white house again.  Again, he’s doing everything they want and even things they’d like to do but can’t for fear of losing their dreamy followers who believe, against all evidence and sober analysis, that they really are the good cop.  

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Nov 14 2025 17:15 utc | 37

The Democrats can’t oppose Trump’s wars or genocide complicity because their own policies under Biden were identical. Democrats are not opposed to regime change wars, or to Israel’s genocide. That’s the sad fact of US politics: on really important issues, both globalist parties are in sync. Democrats manipulate the social services sector to draw votes, and Republicans manipulate issues like immigration. Both use fear tactics. Both are scum.

Posted by: GioCon | Nov 14 2025 17:16 utc | 38

“only government and quasi government workers get decent health coverage at an affordable price. Posted by: cc | Nov 14 2025 16:30 utc | 8
 
you jest.
maybe you mean congressmen?

Posted by: Not Ewe | Nov 14 2025 17:17 utc | 39

Posted by: Saint Jimmy | Nov 14 2025 17:11 utc | 36
 
#####
 
As the saying goes, hate the game, not the player.
 
As long as there is power to be exercised, people will fight to control it.
 
To bully others or to avoid being bullied themselves.
 
No one beats their swords into plowshares and survives a happy retirement.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 14 2025 17:18 utc | 40

Yes, Trump appears to have given the neocons and zionists the run of the field, (Except re Ukraine). They may be giving him some relief elsewhere. 
Posted by: seer | Nov 14 2025 16:59 utc | 23
 
Uh…. yeah…. Make israel great again! Trump is a whore. Completely for sale. A strutting narcissist who doesn’t give one damn about the American people. The Adelsons (israel, AIPAC) gave him $100 million. The moment that happened it was clear what his presidency would be.
 
If you think the democrats are any better, I’ve got bad news. 

Posted by: Saint Jimmy | Nov 14 2025 17:18 utc | 41

A 2-party state is exactly twice as democratic as a 1-party state.Posted by: Polli | Nov 14 2025 16:48 utc | 17
Then look at Europe, with its multi-party systems. But where everyone votes the same way because of Russophobia. Propaganda does the trick. It doesn’t matter how many parties there are if the leaders of those parties and the media can control their followers.Only when the media is against something (regardless of how right or wrong they are) do they change course so that they are once again in line with the media. Freedom of expression only exists when it is in line with the opinion of the press and the government. Democracy has now become “whoever shouts the loudest gets the votes.” So the problem is the “media,” and that’s where we need to start. (And with it, “money” for publishers and editors/journalists.)I have no idea how to fix that.
Translated with DeepL.com (free version)
 
 

Posted by: smartfox | Nov 14 2025 17:20 utc | 42

I think by now, most people with a few functioning brain cells, understand that Washington and associated industries (corporate/intel-influenced media) is systematically corrupt and unreformable. There is only one party with two right-wings as Gore Vidal famously said. So we should stop taking sides here, to do so is insane. There are a few dissidents in both parties who escape that uni-party  but it’s very rare since the system usually spits them out very quickly.
There is a beginning of understanding of this situation which resulted in the two elections Trump won. We have to realize that the two official government sanctioned parties are not and cannot ever be the answer and after the latest nonsense from the Trump administration and the Israeli/Deep State takeover of the administration our job in the US is to undermine the system, with love of course. Hostility and anger won’t cut it–knowing who you are and asserting that as much as possible is the answer. As an aside Europeans are way behind the US population politically and culturally in understanding the level of gangsterism that dominated the West. Germany, as I’ve frequently said, is the key country in the Empire that must understand this reality I hope b has some influence there.

Posted by: Chris Cosmos | Nov 14 2025 17:23 utc | 43

@ 21
As a Chomsky honk, I was of course dismayed by Chomsky’s correspondence with Epstein. But there’s something interesting there as Chomsky is a long-time Jewish critic of Israel and zionism. The Epstein-Mossad connection makes it seem as if as Epstein wasn’t just enamored by Chomsky’s “iconic” celebrity intellectual status, but that he was trying to ensnare Chomsky and his wife in the debauchery and use the association to smear him and other prominent critics of zionism. Thankfully, Chomsky is not implicated in any sex crimes (from the emails it seems like Chomsky might be one of the few genuinely monogamous people), but the association alone is going to be a headache when relying on Chomsky’s extensive documentary work of US imperialism and zionist barbarism.

Posted by: fnord | Nov 14 2025 17:26 utc | 44

Boy. Al Capone’s favorite words rings true in this case. “It’s a racket!” And may I add, “Run by racketeers.” Tammany Hall may be a figment of history but its spirit lives on in the halls of our nation’s capital city. 

Posted by: octavian61 | Nov 14 2025 17:30 utc | 45

What government shutdown? Seems there was plenty of government actions taking place within the nation and outside it–ICE raids and concentration camp construction continued at full speed; the undeclared war against civilians in boats just North of Colombia and Venezuela escalated; the executive hosted many meetings, while arms, money and ISR support for Ukraine continued as before. And so much more. Most are saying it was a contrivance–theatre–while media promoted the narrative that there’s a great degree of hatred and animosity between Ds and Rs. Meanwhile the genuine revulsion of people at Trump, other racist politicians and their policies escalates but isn’t covered by media at all unless forced to as with Mamdani’s election. Negative media focus was on the SNAP disbursal fiasco that highlighted Trump’s 100% indifference to the plight of poor people–that got lots of exposure internationally, particularly in China. That indifference coupled with the extrajudicial murders cast a very accurate image of the Outlaw US Empire for the world to see. 
A small portion of Americans have known for years that the Federal government is an abomination that ignores the actual needs of the populace and does the opposite of what the government’s rationale is as stated in the Constitution’s Preamble. The “government shutdown” caused an increase in that small portion that’s going to grow as it’s clear the federal government will continue to ignore the American people.    

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 14 2025 17:34 utc | 46

By the way: Why were the tax credits, part of Obama’s health care reforms, time limited in the first place?

Why indeed?
Because it’s the Uniparty, dedicated to funnelling public money into the grasping hands of the oligarchs.
The Big Beautiful Bill made tax cuts for the rich permanent, for everyone else, they expire.

Posted by: ChatNPC | Nov 14 2025 17:36 utc | 47

As an FYI on the story that Dems were trying to preserve health care…
 
Before ObamaCare my gold-plan cost $450/mo, under ObamaCare my tin-can-plan cost $920/mo, had a $6,000 deductible and traded the pre-existing-condition non-payment-excuse for the out-of-network excuse.  This then increased to about $1,100/mo.  Interestingly, during Covid with it’s attendant unemployment I went on my state’s website to get an obama-care-plan and was directed to Medicaid.  I called to complain and was told that Medicaid was my only option, I thought it would be terrible.  I was wrong, Medicaid was the best Insurance I’ve ever had…Gold+++ unreal, everything was free, no cost to me.  That was/is completely unfair to workers who earn just enough to not qualify. Anyhow, I went back to work and was back on medical-insurance’s chain gang.  A few stanza’s of gospel songs anyone?
 
Now I have Medicare, which isn’t nearly as good as Medicaid but, still far more reasonable, it’s NOT-FREE folks, about $375/month.  Health-“insurance” is still the biggest monthly expense but I’m grateful for Medicare, I would wind up destitute if I had to pay private premiums year after year.

Posted by: S Brennan | Nov 14 2025 17:42 utc | 48

With all due respect “nothing remarkable”. Gets worse for trump w each passing hour

Posted by: Hes a deadbeat | Nov 14 2025 17:44 utc | 49

@ 42
Russophobia, as real as that is, is just a manifestation of the enduring racism which has animated European politics since the age of colonialism. Indeed, the British, French, and Germans have long viewed Russians as sub-human (the way they get away with calling Russians “orcs” is insane to me, the new “political correctness” is the dehumanization of the national enemy). But it’s not just the Russians they view that way. Remember that EU bureaucrat who talked about the “jungle” of the outside world and Europe as a “garden”? The race hatred is used to animate white riots against refugees from wars which European powers play an active role in, against Russians who are attempting to flee Putin’s mafia state, and here in the US, against Latin Americans who are trying to live in the core of the empire instead of the significantly more violent periphery – more violent because of US imperialism, sponsorship of dictatorships and drug cartels which fight left-wing freedom fighters like the EZLN. And who does it distract attention away from? Our pedophilic and degenerated ruling class, who are busy jerking themselves off to fantasies of “AI” and “superintelligence”.
 
The media of course plays a major role. Lies from big politicians are simply not called out. JD Vance went on TV yesterday and said, in effect, that Latin American immigrants are the reason why housing costs so much in the US – perfectly mirroring the claims made as late as 1938 in nazi Germany that the Jews were at fault for the German housing shortage! He wasn’t called out on that lie, or for the historical parallel (Vance knows what he’s doing because his political base is the white supremacist wing of the GOP). No one asked how that could even be the case. In the first place, “illegals” can’t get mortgages without either a social security number or individual taxpayer id number, and because these immigrants are undocumented, they can get neither. This forces “illegals” into sub-standard housing rented out to them by slumlords who know of the immigrants’ precarious position and use that to their advantage. The solution to our housing “shortage” is to radically expand public housing, to build a million new units a year, not to kick out millions of our fellow workers.
 
But white skinned identity politics is still on the rise. You get laughed at nowadays if you suggest, correctly, that we are all human beings who deserve dignity and who should have our fundamental human rights protected, especially our right to move where we damn well please without the interference or permission of the ruling class and their lackeys in the government. Europeans and white USians are fanatically attached to white skinned identity, and who is or isn’t “white” is always up for debate (unless, of course, you’re black-skinned). Russians aren’t white, but Ukrainians are. Spaniards, who are darker skinned than the Russians, are somehow white, at least relative to Latin Americans, whose indigenous heritage has to be examined. But you don’t have to get the calipers out: it depends on who’s at the top of the capitalist hierarchy, who’s making the money, and who stands in the way of the white-skinned elites’ domination of the planet.
 
The biggest peril to whiteness so far has been “yellow peril”, because, as it turns out, the Japanese, Koreans, and Chinese are pretty good at this whole capitalism thing, too. And those dark-skinned people in Africa don’t have a history of violent colonial dispossession with those powers, at least not yet, so they tend to prefer working with the Asians (it helps that the Chinese offer them better deals – 70+ years of Communist Party rule has kept the kibosh on doctrines of Han supremacy, at least, so the Chinese tend to approach the Africans as people and not as chattel or burdens). The imperialist war between China and the white elites is going to be sold to the public through a doctrine of race hatred, which we are already being prepped for by the media.
 
My suggestion? Stop paying attention to media outlets owned by the bourgeoisie. Help support cooperative and socialist media projects. Because it’s socialism or barbarism.

Posted by: fnord | Nov 14 2025 17:46 utc | 50

  I called to complain and was told that Medicaid was my only option, I thought it would be terrible. I was wrong, Medicaid was the best Insurance I’ve ever had…Gold+++ unreal, everything was free, no cost to me. That was/is completely unfair to workers who earn just enough to not qualify. 
 
Posted by: S Brennan | Nov 14 2025 17:42 utc | 48
 
Brennan, I’ve only worked in one hospital that accepts Medicaid as insurance, and over half don’t accept new Medicaid patients at all. It’s not just that family doctors won’t take new Medicaid applications, most of them would close down their practices before agreeing to take on major burdens for what they look at as subsistence wage. Let me guess, your previous provider started accepting Medicaid instead of your workplace insurance? And you didn’t have any massive long-term expenditures?

Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Nov 14 2025 17:55 utc | 51

How do we says again ? When the king become a clown, the palace become a circus. You just have the Barnum version.
Congress is a freak-show…
Berni the Red : he will frighten your kids, Lindsey the killer : shoot people in the face with his mouth , Nancy Pelosy : the oldest mummy alive (she use to know Hatshepsut), Pete the Strongest Man in the World , a lot of bearded women , pregnant boys etc … (Entry : 5 cents)
 

Posted by: Savonarole | Nov 14 2025 17:57 utc | 52

I would not dismiss the current round of Epstein email leaks as “performative nonsense”.  For one, they illustrate just how easily these supposedly powerful people get into petty feuds and backstabbing just like anyone else.
 
Both teams are spinning the “dog that didn’t bark” email (in reference to Trump). Trump supporters are saying this represents the view that Epstein had “75%” concluded Trump was at least partially the cause of his Florida arrest.
 
The email where Epstein offers to assist Russian diplomats on how to handle Trump is telling. He basically said that Trump was “transactional”, though without using any big words. Hardly a profound or earth shattering assessment. But what is interesting is that he offered his services to Russia, not China, not the UK, not the EU.
 
We know that Epstein/Maxwell were working for Israeli Intel – so is the Israel/Russia collusion angle potentially really a thing? Lots of people observing Russia’s hands-off approach to Israel’s actions against Syria thought so.
 
 

Posted by: Fool Me Twice | Nov 14 2025 17:59 utc | 53

This seems like an apropos time to take a walk down memory lane.
 
Ronald Reagan speaks out on Socialized Medicine (1961) ==> https://youtu.be/AYrlDlrLDSQ
 
The AMA is an extreemly powerful cartel ==> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Coffee_Cup
 
What do doctors invest in if not their healthcare ouroboros?
 

Posted by: too scents | Nov 14 2025 18:02 utc | 54

Posted by: fnord | Nov 14 2025 17:26 utc | 44
Exactly, that was Epstein’s insurance policy.
Put your filthy hands on as many shoulders as possible so that when the SHTF everyone gets splattered – a kind of MAD for the elites.

Posted by: ChatNPC | Nov 14 2025 18:03 utc | 55

I’m not quite sure why there is such a thing as a shutdown. No other Western country has one if they have not passed a budget. Other countries have get-arounds if the budget hasn’t been passed. This seems to me the real issue. Not that several Dems changed sides.

Posted by: laguerre | Nov 14 2025 18:03 utc | 56

The Epstein files are significant for several reasons: 
– Epstein likely was connected to intelligence agencies, perhaps Mossad or CIA. Political figures may be subject to blackmail.
– A helluva lot of money is involved … the rich avoiding taxes, lobbying for Israel and who knows what else. (Not much coverage of this aspect.)
– People across the political spectrum are angry about the egregious and long-standing sexual abuse and the cover-up. It’s part of a pattern of powerful men abusing women and subverting the legal system to escape punishment. 
– It may be the issue that sinks Trump and the legitimacy of the status quo.

Posted by: ba | Nov 14 2025 18:06 utc | 57

Why were the tax credits, part of Obama’s health care reforms, time limited in the first place?

These were additional tax credits added during the COVID-19 period when government tyranny, and handouts, went stratospheric.  They had a sunset like many of the other COVID-19 handout programs.

Posted by: CalDre | Nov 14 2025 18:09 utc | 58

Unfortunately, this is typically incompetent on American politics, chiefly because of the shameless pandering to Trump cultists. I feel sorry for our host shaming himself this way.
 
First major error? The preposterous assertion that when both Senate and House have Republican majorities that the Republicans can’t pass any legislation they wish. The Republicans problem is that the Senate has a gimmick where a supermajority is arbitrarily required for some votes. It once included Supreme Court nominations, but still includes budgets, or so-called continuing resolutions when they can’t pass a supermajority budget. This supermajority generally takes a form of a vote to end debate (what’s called cloture) and vote. The Republicans problem is they don’t have a supermajority, so they have always wanted some Democrats to vote conservative along with them, which is also good for spreading the blame in voters’ eyes. The supermajority requirement, which is decades old, but not  Constitutional, can be ended with a simple majority vote, which means once again, there was a shutdown because of the Republicans. There is no sane and decent reason to insist that Democrats vote for the Republican program in defiance of their professed principles. 
 
Second major error? The implicit notion that there is some sort of  deadly opposition between Democrats and Republicans. In my view, the Democratic Party is splitting in the sense that matters, its donor base.  The big money has been going over to the crypto for some time now. In the sense that the Democrats don’t want to really fight Trump because they just want his fellow ruling class to support them instead, there was nothing necessary in the fight, because they knew they’d never stick to it together. Some of the Democrats, especially some non-professionals, knew the One Big Beautiful Bill is an assault on the majority on behalf of the wealthy, but they don’t matter because other Democrats especially the pros don’t regard this as a problem. 
 
[By the way, the rhetorical question about why there were time limits for the tax cuts addressed to healthcare in the first place? Obviously because somebody wanted a chance to cut them out in a later year, which turns out to be this year, probably a combination of both Republicans and Democrats, who as I said are not principled opponents. The insinuation that Obama personally the dirty on that may or may not be true but is completely irrelevant, except to follow the scumbags’ rule: Defend Trump by screaming, whining and harping on his enemies.]
 
Third major error? Spouting all this nonsense in order to lie about nothing in the batch of emails. The notorious quotes about “the dog that didn’t bark” from Epstein about Trump is in fact something. You may not think it’s enough, or pretend to, but it’s a bare-faced lie to call it nothing. Then after eating up this shit in public, our host had the gall to compare this to Russiagate. That too is a bare-faced lie, there is no doubt whatsoever that there really were crimes in the Epstein business, something that was never true of Russiagate. You will note that our host didn’t even attempt to support this shameful nonsense, not with links, not with quotes, not with any argument of fact or logic, quite unlike his usual practice. 
 
A minor error, by the way, is the assumption that the Democrats were somehow winning the politics of the shutdown. Quite aside from the fact it was highly doubtful they were winning with the big money donors (who are increasingly Trumpists who are tired of all that elections and public services BS the Democratic Party franchise is still branding itself with) the mainstream media includes a powerful right wing vociferously pushing the argument the Democrats were losing and the Republicans were the working man’s idol.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Nov 14 2025 18:12 utc | 59

… men abusing women and subverting the legal system to escape punishment.
Posted by: ba | Nov 14 2025 18:06 utc | 57
 
… men abusing women and subverting the legal system to escape punishment.
Posted by: ba | Nov 14 2025 18:06 utc | 57

Posted by: smartfox | Nov 14 2025 18:12 utc | 60

… men abusing women and subverting the legal system to escape punishment.Posted by: ba | Nov 14 2025 18:06 utc | 57
 
That’s a misconception. Women do the same thing when the money is “right”.

Posted by: smartfox | Nov 14 2025 18:19 utc | 61

Fetterman had the right take. You don’t shut down the government. Period. 
Wrong when Republicans do it, wrong when Democrats do it.

Posted by: ian | Nov 14 2025 18:28 utc | 62

… men abusing women and subverting the legal system to escape punishment.Posted by: ba | Nov 14 2025 18:06 utc | 57
 
That’s a misconception. Women do the same thing when the money is “right”.
 
Posted by: smartfox | Nov 14 2025 18:19 utc | 61
Worse still.  Every court in the West actually favors women over men in nearly every context, except civil law for that is the domain of business and can’t easily be trifled with for passing political fads.  The western courts are like a reverse Taliban when it comes to gender with men as the subspecies.  

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Nov 14 2025 18:30 utc | 63

Fetterman had the right take. You don’t shut down the government. Period. 
Wrong when Republicans do it, wrong when Democrats do it.
Posted by: ian | Nov 14 2025 18:28 utc | 62
Fetterman is literally a retard.  Worse still a Zionazi.  Fuck him and his supporters, if there are any beyond yourself.  

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Nov 14 2025 18:31 utc | 64

How do we says again ? When the king become a clown, the palace become a circus. You just have the Barnum version.
Congress is a freak-show…
Berni the Red : he will frighten your kids, Lindsey the killer : shoot people in the face with his mouth , Nancy Pelosy : the oldest mummy alive (she use to know Hatshepsut), Pete the Strongest Man in the World , a lot of bearded women , pregnant boys etc … (Entry : 5 cents)
 
 
Posted by: Savonarole | Nov 14 2025 17:57 utc | 52
 
All that’s missing is Caligula’s horse.  

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Nov 14 2025 18:33 utc | 65

Slightly off the topic, but relevant in the long run:
 
Huawei is already testing its first, self-developed EUV lithography machine capable of producing 3nm chips. Trial tests are going full blast at the research center in Dongguan, and mass production should start in 2026.It’s impossible to overstate how much of a game-changing paradigm this Chinese breatkthrough – specifically in laser-induced discharge plasma (LDP) – is all about. It’s set to turn the seminconductor technology environment totally upside down.
 
The physics involved in Huawei’s LDP is fundamentally different from the method employed by the Dutch ASML’s de facto monopoly. This being China, it’s simpler, smaller and cheaper.Huawei’s technology is bound to smash that monopoly while solidifying China’s chip independence. Talk about cost efficiency: Huawei aims to produce EUV machines at a fraction of the cost of ASML’s (around $350 million for each unit), and no less than flood China with homegrown 3 nm chips.All that is happening after the proverbial Western “experts”, following the 2019 sanctions imposed by Trump 1.0, dictated that China would take up to 15 years to just catch up.
https://sputnikglobe.com/20251113/pepe-escobar-tech-sinica—chinas-relentless-innovation-drive-1123110639.html
 
So, as everyone except the Yankee elites knew, anything the Dutch or the USA can do, the Chinese can also do if they have to, and faster and better. This just epitomises the stupidity of those who think technology is a national posession to which they can deny others access to. It joins the 5th / 6th generation fighters, hypersonic missiles (posessed by Russia, China, Iran – even Ansar Allah in Yemen – but not the USA), EMALS catapult system (where China at first try has a perfect working model, while the US with 90 years of carrier experience still can’t do it), and so on almost ad infinitum. Yankeeland is done – just another Portugal or ‘Great’ Britain now.

Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Nov 14 2025 18:41 utc | 66

@ 56
Some countries have snap elections if no budget can get passed, right? That’d be nice here. Only problem is there’s only two parties, and campaign finance laws make it so that third parties are unheard of even when they exist.
 
The US Constitution is unfortunately just a profoundly bad governing document. The only worthwhile parts of it are the Bill of Rights, which was the only way it would be ratified, and a handful of subsequent amendments, namely the 13th, 14th, 15th, 19th, 24th, and the 26th. The rest are modifications of an essentially imperial form of government.

Posted by: fnord | Nov 14 2025 18:46 utc | 67

“JD Vance went on TV yesterday and said, in effect*, that Latin American immigrants are the reason why housing costs so much in the US – perfectly mirroring the claims made as late as 1938 in nazi Germany that the Jews were at fault” – Fnord  50

 
Pointing out that an increase in population [now coming from central/south-America] creates a demand residential accommodation is “perfectly mirroring Nazi Germany“. Yeah..another reductio ad Hitlerum argument…all that does is cleanse the Nazis of their sins.
 
*The equivalent of I’ll put words in mouth, why not just give the quote?

Posted by: S Brennan | Nov 14 2025 18:49 utc | 68

The shutdown is just one more demonstration of the decline of the US.  Will democrats get votes after this?  Somewhere between 40  and 60 percent each election.  The shutdown will be forgotten soon, and in a few months we might be entertained by another one.

Posted by: Woke American | Nov 14 2025 18:55 utc | 69

Posted by: fnord | Nov 14 2025 17:46 utc | 50
 
Thanks for your post. You are 100 % correct.
 
It’s incredibly sad that so many people who would have benefited from understanding this, swallow all the propaganda their capitalist capos are showering them with.
 
We need revolutions but I don’t see we’ll be getting them soon.

Posted by: Avtonom | Nov 14 2025 18:56 utc | 70

I’ve only worked in one hospital that accepts Medicaid as insurance…family doctors won’t take new Medicaid applications” – TCMM  51

 
What state?  Not California, not Washington, not Oregon, I used all three doing things you say are impossible.  No, I didn’t switch my primary doctor but, all ER visits, complications from Covid [2] , injury/x-ray[1] and a resulting drug interaction [1] were treated without problem.  Additional outpatient services were also covered without issue.  A skin infection was also treated by a doctor, no problem. 
 
So again, to what state[s] do you refer?  My friend who has medicare-advantage from United-Health and has been repeatedly turned away by comparison.  Also, it’s very hard for anybody at any time to get into a new practice, which is why it’s been good medical advice to keep your MD; that’s been true for over fifty years.

Posted by: S Brennan | Nov 14 2025 19:03 utc | 71

There was no shutdown.  
 
The Federal Gov’t merely had to run Cash Flow Neutral. 
thats a good thing. 

Posted by: Exile | Nov 14 2025 19:07 utc | 72

“The way the press have been covering Jeffrey Epstein’s ties to Trump while completely ignoring far more significant revelations of Epstein’s ties to Israeli intelligence is such a perfect example of how western media ignore anything that doesn’t fit neatly into the two-party worldview. If there’s not some kind of partisan angle to it that Democrats can use to attack Republicans or Republicans can use to attack Democrats, it tends to get conspicuously overlooked.
Which just so happens to align nicely with the objectives of the US empire.”
https://www.caitlinjohnst.one/p/the-media-focus-on-epsteins-ties

Posted by: Carlos | Nov 14 2025 19:20 utc | 73

“Performative nonsense”.  That about encapsulates the whole political theatre on both sides of the aisle.

Posted by: thephantom | Nov 14 2025 19:28 utc | 74

The first governmental shutdown ever in U.S. history happened in 1980 when President Carter was still in office. 
 
That particular shutdown did not kick off an immediate cascade of subsequent shutdowns, but the tempo has increased steadily since the Clinton administration.

Posted by: steel_porcupine | Nov 14 2025 19:37 utc | 75

Posted by: Fool Me Twice | Nov 14 2025 17:59 utc | 53
 
######
 
I wouldn’t put much emphasis on the contents of the Epstein releases.
 
Everything is being done to advance multiple narratives and little of what we’re told is by accident.
 
Instead, I think it is more profitable to watch how it plays out with suburban Moms. That’s one of the intended targets.
 
How do Bannon and Tucker respond? Those are MAGA bellweathers.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 14 2025 19:46 utc | 76

That particular shutdown did not kick off an immediate cascade of subsequent shutdowns, but the tempo has increased steadily since the Clinton administration.
 
Posted by: steel_porcupine | Nov 14 2025 19:37 utc | 73
 
#####
 
Likely a byproduct of compounding interest on the debt.
 
Acceleration is built into Capitalism.
 
Rising prices, rising debt, increasing gaps between the haves and have-nots.
 
There is no regulating mechanism to Capitalism after a certain point; it becomes an unstoppable machine headed for a cliff’s edge.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 14 2025 19:49 utc | 77

Correction: bellwethers

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 14 2025 19:54 utc | 78

The Never-DJT coterie in the Beltway and the anti-DJT media are backfilling The Past, isolating on the connection between Epstein and DJT, w/ a narrative spin that suits their Present Day intentions, which is to undermine DJT’s second term in office.  
 
 
The strategy smacks of Russiagate somewhat, reliant on innuendo, gossip and media-amplified rumors—but also employs the Christine Blasy Ford-ification of The Past a la the Kavanaugh accusations:  someone remembers something about someone standing near a punch bowl at a boozy high school party 35 years ago, then all at once multiple victims step forward, alleging rape.
 
 
Meanwhile, DJT announced on Friday that he wants the Justice Department to investigate high-profile figures who allegedly had ties to Epstein.  These include former President Clinton, former Treasury Secretary Larry Summers, the venture capitalist and megadonor Reid Hoffman—-along with JPMorgan, which settled a lawsuit in 2023 for laundering money for Epstein.
 
In this latter case, JPMorgan paid out $75mn to “organizations whose work is aimed at fighting human trafficking and to enhance law enforcement infrastructure related to human trafficking.” 

Posted by: steel_porcupine | Nov 14 2025 19:55 utc | 79

Not one mention of the Clintons yet?
A cynical mind might think we are looking at highly selective leaking.
Blame Trump – he had the files and could have kept control of the releases himself. By pretending a nothingburger he has handed the initiative to the equally corrupt and compromised Democrats. The idea that there was only one copy of the data is utterly naive – to the point one has to question his qualification to be in post.
Meanwhile the kabuki continues to be puppeteered by the same Powers That Should Not Be.

Posted by: ChatNPC | Nov 14 2025 20:07 utc | 80

Posted by: steel_porcupine | Nov 14 2025 19:55 utc | 77
 
######
 
Whataboutism is a natural rhetorical response, but Trump doesn’t understand how that opens him up by implicating the Dems. The more he talks about Epstein, the worse this will be for him.
 
His connections to Israel/Epstein have no good explanations or justifications.
 
At one point, you can’t reframe your worst decisions, no matter how hard you try.
 
Most people want to believe that they can escape consequences, right up until the guillotine falls.
 
This is one situation that Trump probably won’t be able to evade.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 14 2025 20:08 utc | 81

Russians who are attempting to flee Putin’s mafia state … The biggest peril to whiteness so far has been “yellow peril”, because, as it turns out, the Japanese, Koreans, and Chinese are pretty good at this whole capitalism thing, too.  The imperialist war between China and the white elites is going to be sold to the public through a doctrine of race hatred, which we are already being prepped for by the media.
My suggestion? Stop paying attention to media outlets owned by the bourgeoisie. Help support cooperative and socialist media projects. Because it’s socialism or barbarism.
Posted by: fnord | Nov 14 2025 17:46 utc | 50

Here comes fnord with the accusations of China being not just a capitalist power, but an imperialist one. Incidentally, Ahenobarbus shares fnord’s opinion on China. Furthermore, fnord paints Putin as a Mafia Don just as Ahenobarbus paints Maduro as a tyrant and Venezuela as a non-socialist power.
 
Conveniently, China, Russia and Venezuela are in the crosshairs of America, and both Ahenobarbus and fnord are Americans. Both Ahenobarbus and fnord are “socialists” who are well aware of what Lenin calls for when imperialist powers are at war: to undermine the imperialist power that one happens to be a member of. While I doubt the majority of the populace in China, Russia and Venezuela reads MoA, fnord’s rhetoric serves to remove support for these nations targeted by American aggression. It also provides cover for American color revolution attempts—any uprising against the governments of China, Russia and Venezuela are justifiable because they represent the masses exercising popular will to bring down imperialist governments, fnord will undoubtedly say.
 
With fnord’s broad sweeping criticisms of all the powers standing up against America, I wonder why fnord neglected to call Hamas a bunch of backwards fundamentalist Muslims? Are victims of American aggression only deserving of pity when America has an overwhelming advantage over them and their genocide can no longer be denied?
 
Death to America
Marg bar Âmrikâ
Marg bar Âmrikâ
Marg bar Âmrikâ

Posted by: All Under Heaven | Nov 14 2025 20:09 utc | 82

Not quite…Democrats wanted 200 billion in healthcare for illegals, which the population didn’t want, neither Dems nor Reps…But of course illegals are a key voting block (despite being ineligible) and that was the motive….

Posted by: pyrrhus | Nov 14 2025 20:10 utc | 83

Rep and Dems are just each side of the plantation management system of those in control. Its really the Uniparty, and all of these “showdowns” are nothing but staged events to keep the public ignorant and asleep. 

Posted by: JustTruth | Nov 14 2025 20:10 utc | 84

With apologies b,
As a non american and certainly not partisan of their insane show politics..as lets be clear, both Red and Blue have the same agenda. I disagree that you can equate the fantasy of Russiagate with the very real relationship Donald Trump had with Epstein over several decades. Considering Epsteins association with foreign intelligence services, one would have to be myopic to ignore the ramifications. Unless you think Trump wants to be Netanyahu’s fluffer.

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Nov 14 2025 20:20 utc | 85

Here comes fnord with the accusations of China being not just a capitalist power, but an imperialist one.
 
Posted by: pyrrhus | Nov 14 2025 20:10 utc | 81
 
Capitalism and Imperialism are not opposites. So whether the claim is true or not is completely irrelevant. Apples and oranges.

Posted by: smartfox | Nov 14 2025 20:24 utc | 86

I blamed the GOP for the shutdown. But now I blame the Democrats, at least those who switched votes. If they were going to vote that way they could have done it over a month ago and saved all the trouble. 

Posted by: WG | Nov 14 2025 20:40 utc | 87

@ Doctor Eleven | Nov 14 2025 20:20 utc | 85
 
epstein represents israel.. trumps hard on for all things israel, knows no bounds.. he will rubber stamp genocide, while inviting the headchopper from syria into the white house, all to bend over for israel…. on this level trump is truly pathetic..  of course a cover up on epstein is necessary.. 

Posted by: james | Nov 14 2025 20:45 utc | 88

Posted by: smartfox | Nov 14 2025 20:24 utc | 86
 
######
 
The uncomfortable truth is that China is a civilizational power.
 
No one in Europe has come close, and the Americans certainly do not qualify.
 
Civilizations move and aim differently.
 
I can’t see a cohort becoming a civilization via Capitalism, which is entirely geared towards the short term with no concern for posterity. A trait of civilization is endurance.
 
It is very Zionist to live for today and to consume humanity like locusts on a field of crops. That is Capitalism in a nutshell.
 
Civilizations are often post-Imperial. They had to get their asses kicked to figure out what matters. They had to suffer great trials and humiliations.
 
The Russians, Chinese, and Iranians all check those boxes.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 14 2025 20:46 utc | 89

If they were going to vote that way they could have done it over a month ago and saved all the trouble.
Posted by: WG | Nov 14 2025 20:40 utc | 87
 
Who says they WANTED to vote that way?
It’s always a question of money and/or ego and the method of persuasion used.
 

Posted by: smartfox | Nov 14 2025 20:50 utc | 90

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 14 2025 20:08 utc | 79
 
RE:   [DJT’]s “connections to Israel/Epstein have no good explanations or justifications.”
 
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I totally get where you’re coming from.
 
 
My doubts, though, about the sudden pedal-to-the-metal emphasis on the Epstein Files as they relate to DJT, find their genesis in the fact that Collective Biden’s DOJ possessed the selfsame Epstein Files during the flurry of lawfare accusations against DJT in 2022/2023.
 
If material damning to DJT were contained in those files, Collective Biden’s DOJ would have brought that material before the public without a second’s notice.  The whole point of the lawfare cases was to render DJT either to the carceral state (in an orange jumpsuit & in a jail cell) or unfit in the eyes of the public ever to serve as president again.  It stretches logic to believe Collective Biden’s DOJ would have sat on the Epstein Files, unless Biden’s officials did not judge the material damning.
 
Another aspect of this sudden fervor to undermine DJT, by flaming the public w/ Epstein emails and innuendo, revolves around the fact that all entities boosting this current fervor were likewise boosting prior fierce attempts to undermine DJT, whether it was Russiagate itself, J6, doubts about the2020 election, the “fine people on both sides” hoax, the “suckers & losers” hoax and several other manufactured events.
 
When the same group is employing the same tactics against the very same target, namely DJT, it’s enough to give one pause.
 
Elsewhere up-thread, you mentioned Steve Bannon & Tucker as MAGA bellwethers.   You nailed it:  they and others are the ones to watch.

Posted by: steel_porcupine | Nov 14 2025 20:50 utc | 91

I  now have two close and dear friends who have committed suicide after being denied Social Security/Medicare. After a lifetime of paying FICA.
 
I get no benefits myself and basically look too healthy and white to ever be approved for Medicaid.  
 
And if somehow you do succeed in getting ‘healthcare’ what is offered is fifteen minute appointments with a clerk/drugpusher who spends most of your visit staring at a computer screen
 
Everyone I know who gets in the system with any but the simplest complaints gets shuffled from one specialist to the next and gets hundreds of tests, all to no purpose. And no medical person ever listens. Maybe the LPN listens and if you are very very lucky the RN might listen and say a word to the doctor for you.
 
But everyone in America has shelves and shelves of prescription drugs. Everyone has chronic conditions. Most of them iatrogenic.
 
Last time I saw a doctor was six years ago, for typhoid. We have that in America now. Since then I have learned how to self treat for that should there be a recurrence. Self-reliance is all that is left in this shithole of a country. I used to be strongly for single-payer. No more. That plan is just single-payee. And the payee is Pharma.

Posted by: oldhippie | Nov 14 2025 20:53 utc | 92

LoveDonbass | Nov 14 2025 20:46 utc | 89
 
In a way, Israel also counts among them: a very old culture, strong historical consolidation, coupled with money, among other things. A segment of the world’s population that should not be underestimated.

Posted by: smartfox | Nov 14 2025 20:58 utc | 93

My doubts, though, about the sudden pedal-to-the-metal emphasis on the Epstein Files as they relate to DJT, find their genesis in the fact that Collective Biden’s DOJ possessed the selfsame Epstein Files during the flurry of lawfare accusations against DJT in 2022/2023.
 
Posted by: steel_porcupine | Nov 14 2025 20:50 utc | 91
 
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I have been writing about this for some time.
 
It has been completely predictable that the Dems would weaponize Epstein for the midterms, which is basically now. Next spring is too late. They have to start now, so Trump can make mistakes in how he handles the response (check!), and evolve their strategy to take out any vulnerable pro-Trump House members. This will also sideline Trump from campaigning for many candidates, as if he were a mental retard (Israeli), he has decided to attack his own safe seat members for Israel.
 
It was obvious when Trump started to do defensive pressers and accusing MAGA of being obsessed with Epstein, whom he claimed he barely knew, which was a whopper, as  Tom Barack (special Middle East envoy and Israeli buttboy), Epstein, and Trump were known as the 3 Musketeers in the NY Club scene in the late 80s, and early 90s.
 
It was only a matter of time until the aged Democrat power brokers woke up and started devising a strategy.
 
All of the signs are there for much of this stuff, just as I feel confident about where this is heading.
 
As always, details and timing are difficult to predict, but the general large movements are easier to spot in advance.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 14 2025 20:58 utc | 94

Posted by: smartfox | Nov 14 2025 20:58 utc | 93
 
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Israel is not a civilization. It hasn’t even existed for 100 years as a political entity and has accomplished nothing as a “nation”. All of its leaders operate under fictitious names…
 
Israel is basically Europe. It isn’t Black Israelites from North Africa or Iranian Jews. It is Europeans pushing their one-trick pony of Imperialism and racism.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 14 2025 21:00 utc | 95

How do Bannon and Tucker respond? Those are MAGA bellweathers.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 14 2025 19:46 utc | 74

 
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There is a large cross-section of the bar that are not USA citizens and view their electoral circus cycles as sidebar entertainment. My interest was more in the realm of geopolitics and egotistical Epstein thinking his analysis of Trump was of some value to Russia. Neither Bannon nor Carlson move the needle much there either.

Posted by: Fool Me Twice | Nov 14 2025 21:02 utc | 96

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Nov 14 2025 20:20 utc | 85
 
RE:   Considering Epstein’s association with foreign intelligence services, one would have to be myopic to ignore the ramifications. Unless you think Trump wants to be Netanyahu’s fluffer.
 
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Keep in mind that Collective Biden  began enabling the genocide in Gaza in October 2023:  the oft-professed “unwavering support.”
 
When DJT reclaimed the White House, he walked into a genocide-in-place and a U.S. policy (unwavering support) which did not originate w/ DJT.
 
It’s peculiar to claim that DJT’s past association w/ Epstein now uniquely govern the U.S.’s current involvement in Israel’s war against Hamas when the war against Hamas was already 14 months old when DJT regained the presidency.
 
The former Al Qaeda terrorist who is now the president of Syria sat down w/ DJT in the Oval last week.  Prior to that, VVP hosted al-Jolani in the Kremlin.  World leaders are normalizing ties w/ him, and DJT is not alone in doing so. 
 
How far can we take this-?
 
Events seem myopically Epstein-tinged right now, as if every move DJT makes finds its Alpha & its Omega in something he’s trying to conceal about Epstein, but it’s sensible to recognize that these events were well underway long before the 24/7 focus suddenly shifted to identifying an Epstein-nexus.

Posted by: steel_porcupine | Nov 14 2025 21:07 utc | 97

Israel is not a civilization. ..
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 14 2025 21:00 utc | 95
 
 
I did not write about “nation” or “political entity.” Israel is definitely a “civilization,” even if one does not like Israel.
Any group of people who live according to the same principles is a “civilization.”

Posted by: smartfox | Nov 14 2025 21:10 utc | 98

Posted by: All Under Heaven | Nov 14 2025 20:09 utc | 80
 
My guess is that they are these fake ass “woke” socialists we have here in the US. There are almost NO real leftists – pro labor – in the US. These “woke types always place race, gender, and themselves before fairness and justice. It never fails. I might hate them more than I hate our oligarchs. 

Posted by: Saint Jimmy | Nov 14 2025 21:11 utc | 99

“Israel is not a civilization. ..”
 
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 14 2025 21:00 utc | 95
  “I did not write about “nation” or “political entity.” Israel is definitely a “civilization,” even if one does not like Israel.Any group of people who live according to the same principles is a “civilization.””
 
Posted by: smartfox | Nov 14 2025 21:10 utc | 98
 
Thank you, smartfox, for the reality check.

Posted by: canuk | Nov 14 2025 21:14 utc | 100