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November 18, 2025
The Defeat Of The West And Europe’s Bleak Future

No post today, sorry, but two good talks to listen to:

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I can recommend the Emmannuel Todd interview – one of his more lucid outings.
He has pegged the start of US decline to the mid 1960s – which would explain why the Boomers had it so good and Gen X and subsequent have been increasingly given the shaft.

Posted by: ChatNPC | Nov 18 2025 18:22 utc | 1

Thank you for linking to Glenn Diesens talk with Emmanuel Todd. I voted for Diesen in the last election in September, but the (very new) party he represented got something like 9000 votes or 0.3% (I don’t know if the count is correct). Still, he has more than 270 000 YouTube international subscribers, so I think that matters a lot. I am sure there are many viewers that are not subscribers, too.
 
Now I am off to listen to what Todd has to say.  
 
Btw. I just listened to Professor Marandi talking to Nima Alkhorshid about the state of the west. He had some very true things to say, I highly recommend it.
 

Posted by: Norwegian | Nov 18 2025 18:31 utc | 2

Posted by: ChatNPC | Nov 18 2025 18:22 utc | 1
 
Having actually lived through all of it as one of those lucky but despised “boomers”, I date the beginning of the economic AND cultural downturn to the mid-1980s. 

Posted by: Saint Jimmy | Nov 18 2025 18:41 utc | 3

Glenn Diesen nails it with the expression “strategic vacuum”: No one can formulate where we want to go, how we get there. Instead, it’s always this emotional rhetoric.

Posted by: Marvin | Nov 18 2025 18:42 utc | 4

Europe is on the way down – higher prices for just about everything – widespread poverty – less public services – and possibly another war across Europe – basically Europe is f&cked and its all its own making – the East is on the rise – and the West is on the fall – so its likely,  that the West’s so called leaders will want war at some point – to try and redress the coming Western collapse.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Nov 18 2025 18:57 utc | 5

Posted by: Saint Jimmy | Nov 18 2025 18:41 utc | 3
Me too, I was born at the knife edge between Boomer and Gen X (of course it is not a knife edge, in the mid 60s but not in the US) and can compare my own experience of the decline in everything the majority needs with the experiences of my elder siblings.
For instance, they were able to get on the property ladder (just) on a single salary, whereas for me it was no longer possible. Growing job insecurity made that even more risky and deindustrialisation took away not only those mass employers for the working class but also the technical, engineering and research roles they supported.
Throw in the unrelenting growth of the FIRE sector and the emergence of predatory rent seeking ans the crappification becomes complete.
And I’m not saying ‘poor me’, subsequent cohorts have been given an increasingly shitty deal.

Posted by: ChatNPC | Nov 18 2025 19:01 utc | 6

Todd has some excellent instinctive interpretations of todays reality, from a perspective of a historian. His talk about “zero religion” in combination with irrationality rings true to me. 

Posted by: Norwegian | Nov 18 2025 19:05 utc | 7

Prof. Mearsheimer oversimplifies Russia’s, and Putin’s, motives in the war…Putin has fought the war to minimize Russian casualties, and maintain his standing in BRICS, and has been largely successful in both goals…He has also used the war to eliminate the deadwood in the general staff,  jail the corrupt generals, and give the initiative to younger officers…He has also used it to make huge advances in military technology…to the point where Ukrainian soldiers now complain that they don’t even see the Russians, and are being killed by FPV drones and glide bombs which there is little defense against…

Posted by: pyrrhus | Nov 18 2025 19:07 utc | 8

Todd mentioned the infant death rate in the Soviet Union. Birth rate is something that also should be looked at. It seems that anywhere, as people prosper, they tend to stop breeding. Somewhere between 2.1 and 2.3 children per couple is required to maintain a population.
 
On top of decline in breeding due to prosperity, the west has embraced this woke ideology. Diversity Joe, Macron’s tranny Olympics – insanity. Ukraine, the promotion of the mighty Ukroids – they were dog meat from the very first day Russia crossed the border. 
 
The collapse of the Soviet Union. The Soviets had a good education system, but still it took a decade before a man rose to the occasion and put Russia back on its feet. That does not exist here in the west. Here in Australia, the education system change in the early seventies.
 
When the collapse occurs, Europe, North America, Australia will all fare differently. Europe I assume will go back to its historical habit of wars against each other. For Australia, much depends on US China and the level of hostilities reached before the US collapses. When Taiwan is triggered, Australia will be ordered by the Americans to sanction China and then the Australian economy will be destroyed, same as the Europeans, Germany in particular destroyed their own economies.
 

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 18 2025 19:13 utc | 9

Todd mentions the emptiness in the western politicians, complete lack of any vision of the future and that war is the replacement of such lack of vision. He has a point.
 

Posted by: Norwegian | Nov 18 2025 19:16 utc | 10

Posted by: ChatNPC | Nov 18 2025 19:01 utc | 6
 
I was born in ’57. Absolutely.
 
I feel very sorry for anyone under about 50 years old. There is virtually NOTHING left here in the US that is secure. Nothing. Unless inherited, very few of them will have anything by age 65 or 70. The vast majority of them will have to work at something until they drop dead – literally drop dead – or throw themselves on the mercy of private charity or what little is left of public programs. God help them. 

Posted by: Saint Jimmy | Nov 18 2025 19:18 utc | 11

There is certainly a widespread feeling, if not something more tangible than a feeling, in the West itself that there is a decline of all sorts, economic, spiritual, political, social., and there is deep division. These problems are more or less universally acknowledged, but from different points of view of course there are different diagnoses – late stage capitalism, nihilism, the meaning crisis, a general civilizational decline, reactionary fascism, etc.
Anyway, I would like to add something else to your listening/reading list, and that is a fascinating Chinese perspective on the West:
https://open.substack.com/pub/landmarksmag/p/an-american-reads-america-against?r=2tpjcj&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&showWelcomeOnShare=false

Posted by: Sal | Nov 18 2025 19:18 utc | 12

pyrrhus | Nov 18 2025 19:07 utc | 8
 
In every area, it does not matter what the west throws at him and Russia, Putin uses it to advantage. The sanctions gave opportunity for self sufficiency. Ukraine, merely a training and weapons testing ground for the military.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 18 2025 19:23 utc | 13

https://rumble.com/v71rptm-dasha-nekrasova-gets-canceled-for-interviewing-me.html
I’m really enjoying Nick Fuentes speaking extemporaneously 

Posted by: elonmuskiscool | Nov 18 2025 19:30 utc | 14

Prof. Mearsheimer oversimplifies Russia’s, and Putin’s, motives in the war…Putin has fought the war to minimize Russian casualties, and maintain his standing in BRICS, and has been largely successful in both goals…He has also used the war to eliminate the deadwood in the general staff,  jail the corrupt generals, and give the initiative to younger officers…He has also used it to make huge advances in military technology…to the point where Ukrainian soldiers now complain that they don’t even see the Russians, and are being killed by FPV drones and glide bombs which there is little defense against…
Posted by: pyrrhus | Nov 18 2025 19:07 utc | 8

No Putin has fought the war to Minimise Ukrainian casualties (and western photo opportunities – they had to invent Bucha).13k dead civilians, 1.5 million dead Ukrainian soldiers.It is a staggering Civilian Friendly war – never been a war like this one.
 
 

Posted by: Michael Droy | Nov 18 2025 19:35 utc | 15

“Putin is now devouring his own useful idiots,” according to Hamish de Bretton-Gordon in The Telegraph.  “The ecosystem of disinformation Putin relied on to project an alternative reality to the world—-not of a pariah state mired in war crimes but of a crusading saviour shielding us from imagined Nazis and phantom extremists—-has collapsed.”
 
 
de Bretton-Gordon claims that VVP is engaging in “Stalinist purges” (yes, he wrote that) of the propaganda machine VVP has depended on to mask his war crimes (according to de Bretton-Gordon)  “and justify an illegal and ruinously expensive war to ordinary Russians.”
 
 
It’s the spectacular collapse of Roman Alekhin that has de Bretton-Gordon’s knickers in a twist: “Putin’s regime” has now designated the pro-war Z-blogger a foreign agent.
 
 
de Bretton-Gordon asserts that the term itself—foreign agent—is steeped in “Stalin-era menace, once reserved for genuine enemies of the state,” ignoring the fact that the U.S., a Bright Shining City On The Hill and a nearly 250-year old democracy, uses the exact same term to distinguish those who receive remunerations from foreign countries from those who do not.
 
“Look back at the Soviet Union under Stalin. First, they went after political enemies, and then the system began to devour its own people,” according to Vladimir Kara-Murza, the British-Russian opposition figure sentenced to 25 years in a modern prison camp—a sentence he survived thanks to a 2024 prisoner swap.  “Once the machinery of repression starts, it cannot stop.”

  • The machinery of repression cannot stop once it starts, because Stalin.
  • The machinery of repression cannot stop once it starts, because Soviet Union.
  • The machinery of repression cannot stop once it starts, because Putin.

Even as the Kremlin boasts of gains around Pokrovsk and Zaporizhzhia, “these supposed advances,” by de Bretton-Gordon’s lights, “have come at enormous cost in Russian lives.”
 
 
“Supposed advances,” right-?
 
If this guy drinks any more deeply from the Kool-Aid, he will suffer a full-blown sugar coma.
 
 
Sputtering, de Bretton-Gordon goes all Novichok on our alfa-sierra-sierra: “This is not the first time we have seen Moscow’s disinformation apparatus in full, deranged flow. In the aftermath of the failed assassination attempt against Sergei Skripal and his daughter in Salisbury in 2018, the Kremlin unleashed a tidal wave of nonsense.”
 
 
Satisfied at having counted coup on Russia, de Bretton-Gordon sums up by serving a stark reminder: “Authoritarian regimes rarely collapse from external pressure. They rot from within, consuming the very people who once upheld them.”
 
 
It is for this precise reason that Europe must especially intensify pressure on VVP: “Putin needs to understand that the alternative to capitulation in the war is an ignominious end, more reminiscent of Stalin’s downfall than of a triumphant retirement.”
 
 
de Bretton-Gordon is typical of other European dead-enders and bitter-clingers who can’t deep six the Lost Cause.   They cite Stalin.   They cite the Soviet Union.   Sometimes they mention the gulag.   If they don’t reference Sudetenland, the word appeasement and the year 1939, you know they’re thinking about those things.   And before you know it, Novichok is in-play.
 
 
It’s like that old adage:
In Russia,
 
you don’t smoke
 
cigarettes, the cigarettes
 
smoke you.  In Russia,
 
you don’t take
 
Viagra, the Viagra
 
takes you.  In Russia,
 
you don’t apologize
 
for Putin, the Putin
 
apologizes you.

Posted by: steel_porcupine | Nov 18 2025 19:41 utc | 16

I watched Todd’s interview with Glenn last night and I agree it’s a masrerpiece.
The decay process started by the end 0f the 60’s, slowly at first and now much faster.  I was at a technical college in China in 2012 and I was then witnessing the opposite process going on over there: a drive for growth. The contrast was striking. I wished to move there but I am too old with vision almost gone. The future is in Asia obviously unless the fools in the West break up everything instead of joining  the party..
 

Posted by: Richard L | Nov 18 2025 19:42 utc | 17

Nonsense.
 
Everything is fine. 
 
Europe is the Garden.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 18 2025 19:46 utc | 18

Saint Jimmy 3,
 
I date the end of FDRism to circa 1978.  It was St. Jimmy Carter who was the first to embrace Milton Friedman’s concept that shareholders were the only stakeholders in a corporation.  Carter fully embraced deregulation and disbandment of industrial policy.  Nixon, Gerald Ford, though Republican, were still FDRist…as was IKE.  Carter made it easy for the nutjobs in Reagan’s entourage.
 
The 1970’s were a grim time if you hadn’t already found a secure perch.  The Great Lakes rust belt was very well developed before Reagan was sworn in.  And it was Clinton who drove the final set of nails into the coffin by using Eric Holder to prosecute the last of the FDRist in congress and regulatory agencies.

Posted by: S Brennan | Nov 18 2025 19:47 utc | 19

Todd should not be blindly celebrated.  He gets a lot of the obvious answers right.  I mean the West is declining?  No shit.  But look at his work, not just the answers.  It’s a ridiculous method.  Oh, and he is fatally compromised when it comes to Israel.  He identifies too greatly with the country.  

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Nov 18 2025 19:53 utc | 20

Europe is the Garden.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 18 2025 19:46 utc | 18
 
The flourishing landscapes. Blossoming flowers in abandoned industrial regions. Grass growing from potholes, LOL.

Posted by: MorePain4Cakes | Nov 18 2025 19:57 utc | 21

*** between Boomer and Gen X ***
Posted by: ChatNPC | Nov 18 2025 19:01 utc | 6
Posted by: Saint Jimmy | Nov 18 2025 19:18 utc | 11
 
I belong to the Blank Generation.
https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0074216/?ref_=ext_shr_lnk
Art imitates life imitating art. 

Posted by: frithguild | Nov 18 2025 19:59 utc | 22

Corruption probe edging closer to Volodymyr.
 
Archived from the 18 November WSJ:
 
https://archive.is/L1Gjk

Posted by: steel_porcupine | Nov 18 2025 19:59 utc | 23

Viktor Medwedtschuk says, the only way for Ukraine to become peace is to become part of Russia.
https://youtu.be/EOZGPQrXTpw
 
 

Posted by: smartfox | Nov 18 2025 20:00 utc | 24

Posted by: Michael Droy | Nov 18 2025 19:35 utc | 15
13k dead civilians, 1.5 million dead Ukrainian soldiers. It is a staggering Civilian Friendly war – never been a war like this one.

 
That’s a remarkable fact indeed. But, but, the war so far has been in oblasts that were pro-Russia. Wait until all of the East and South of the Ukraines has been conquered by Russia and then it is time to run Kiev and Lvov thru the woodshipper.
 
The fascists will try to block the escape of civilians to protect themselves so I expect to see massive killing of civilians, as it happened in Grozny, where takfiri blocked the escape of civilians in a vain attempt to hide behind them leading to massive civilian casualties, as well extermination of takfiri.

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Nov 18 2025 20:00 utc | 25

@ S Brennan re: FDR
 
People make FDR sound like some kind of paragon or his effect on Estados Unidos as some kind of golden age from where we have slipped. 
 
In reality, you can chart the decline running all through his presidency and even before. 
 
What we are talking about is the failure of gargantuan, centralized economies, and what FDR did was to package this sale of big-government and hyper-federalization to the public under the guise of social welfare. This is, as it turns out, the ONLY method for fooling the rubes into signing on the dotted line. 
 
But the Social Security Act did not work. There were signs that historians have evaluated that show that the programs of FDR were not succeeding in lifting the public out of the throes of the Great Depression. The thing that did work was, of course, WAR and a betrayal of the Founder’s intent to keep America isolationist and unencumbered by Old World rivalries. 
 
What will we see in the near future is an even greater attempt at hyper-federalization with Universal Basic Income, which will fail, and will result in an even greater separation of wealth that FDR began by getting the MIC rolling.
 
We are only at like step 2 of the complete and utter collapse of Estados Unidos and I am very hopeful that history will again be opened up for legitimate discussion on the subject America and its founding principles centered around isolationism and government only where it is absolutely needed. 

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Nov 18 2025 20:01 utc | 26

Posted by: S Brennan | Nov 18 2025 19:47 utc | 19
 
Yeah, but the 1970s were still mostly comfortable for most of the country. The pan really began to kick in during the 1980s and, to me, it was very noticeable. There was a cultural shift, as well. During the ’80s, things seemed to get dumbed down and mean and sharp edged and hyper-competitive.
 
“St. Jimmy Carter”… No, he has nothing to do with my screen name. 

Posted by: Saint Jimmy | Nov 18 2025 20:05 utc | 27

This video is by Kevin Walmsley, an America business analyst living in China for several years. 
 
While it’s fun to lament  the decline of the West, at some point we in the West are going to have to start the process of rebuild. 
 
Kevin explains what the Chinese have done to make their economy so great, and he explains why it’s currently not a great idea  to invest  in the Western economies, and indeed, why that’s not happening nearly so much.*
 
This “rebuild” is going to be even harder than we thought, as Kevin explains.
 
BTW, Walmsley is level-headed, deliberate, very well-informed, and cites a lot of sources. 
 
That vid I linked to will help you  get a sense of the scale and complexity of the  problem the West is facing.
 
On previous threads the subject of the impact of culture on a society was brought up.  I asked  “how do you design a culture for max societal performance?”
 
Maybe someone will say “nobody _designs_ a culture;  cultures  happen organically”.
 
a. Are you sure about that? and
b. At  what point are we going to actually begin the rebuild  process? Do  we need  to wait for collapses and impact-explosions to start work?
 
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* A while back I asserted that new  industrial facility construction  here in the  US   was _not great_, and no re-shoring was gonna happen without a  heck of a  lot more industrial construction. “Wait a little while! It’s just getting going!” some people  proclaimed. The  vid by Walmsley helps explain why moving production to US might not happen so  much as we’d thought.
 
It’s a very sobering video, friends, and it seems pretty credible  to  me.

Posted by: Tom Pfotzer | Nov 18 2025 20:11 utc | 28

I don’t think the west is falling, but it is losing the values that have made it distinctly western, namely those which animate what Castoriadis called “the project of autonomy”: liberty, equality, and fraternity. In its place is white skinned chauvinism, the perpetuation of the idea that the rest of the world (the ROW as it’s affectionately called by a few here) is a “jungle” and Europe a well-tended “garden”. This idea, combined with the outsize representation of darker skinned minorities in the workforce, has led to class collaboration between the white skinned elite and the white skinned workforce, ultimately to the detriment of the latter, as it reinforces their subordination to capital and the compulsion they feel to conform to “whiteness”, which is always and forever what the elite say it is.
 
Europe is toast if white skinned chauvinism maintains its strangle-hold on the white skinned working class. These bastards will turn on each other as soon as the dark skinned minorities are gone. Or the dark skinned minorities could help re-civilize the white skinned as they stand, once again, on the edge of barbarism, the kind of barbarism that the dark-skinned are trying to run away from in the first place.

Posted by: fnord | Nov 18 2025 20:18 utc | 29

***What we are talking about is the failure of gargantuan, centralized economies, and what FDR did was to package this sale of big-government and hyper-federalization to the public under the guise of social welfare.***
Posted by: NemesisCalling | Nov 18 2025 20:01 utc | 26
 
The 1930’s Supreme Court evicerated protections against federal involvement in social welfare when it invented a “commerce” power that never existed (see Wickard v Filburn) and made taxing power unlimited (US v Butler). With these cracks opened, incentives to expand federal power freed the beast (AJHVM monkeys), which has acted incrementally and relentlessly against the rights of individuals. Nobody should be surprised at where the US has arrived. 

Posted by: frithguild | Nov 18 2025 20:19 utc | 30

Thanks, B

Posted by: canuk | Nov 18 2025 20:24 utc | 31

Putin must defend (Russia) against the pressure of sanctions. There is no longer any diplomatic path to the West, and what Trump is pretending is just his version of “carrot and stick,” i.e., pressure.
If Russia does not do so, it will suffocate under the sanctions in the long run (which is what the West wants).
But the EU and NATO leaders (and other loudmouths) have repeatedly declared that they are at war with Russia. So then, let Russia show us what war is. A formal declaration of war is not necessary; the Europeans and the US have already made one.
And then ask all around, “Do you want more?” Europe cannot (yet) wage war, nor can the US, and above all, Trump certainly does not want missiles hitting the US, no matter what he threatens. There will be no major war, just a blow to everyone’s head that hurts, but a recoil from all the loudmouths, after which reasonable discussions can take place. Everyone will then have the only thing that tames them: fear. And then ultimatums, and the Europeans who are not prepared will then be dealt with in the same way as Trump, but from the Russian side.
Translated with DeepL.com (free version)

Posted by: smartfox | Nov 18 2025 20:26 utc | 32

Thanks so much b – I just watched the Todd interview with no knowledge of your linking to it here. It’s absolutely brilliant. I usually avoid long videos but this one is worth the full hour.
 
I think the reason why so many world intellectuals like to talk to Diesen is he gives them time, listens them out, and apparently he has actually read their books.

Posted by: Avtonom | Nov 18 2025 20:27 utc | 33

Or the dark skinned minorities could help re-civilize the white skinned as they stand, once again, on the edge of barbarism, the kind of barbarism that the dark-skinned are trying to run away from in the first place.
 
Posted by: fnord | Nov 18 2025 20:18 utc | 29
 
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That was tried in Spain (maths, art, architecture, science), but Charles Martel decided to set a course for his descendant (Charlemagne) to become the Holy Roman Emperor.
 
And from that came the Crusades and many other colonial projects.
 
It’s 2025, and the internet is very accessible. People can choose their culture, fashion, diet, friends, and class.
 
Not sure it is wise to teach Europeans more than what they have already been gifted from regular handwashing to basic numbers.
 
Again, we’re in an era where people who stay victimized or ignorant are choosing to be so.
 
Atheists should be able to appreciate a “survival of the fittest” scenario.
 
I wish everyone peace and good fortune. The ball is in their court.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 18 2025 20:37 utc | 34

@frithguild
 
“Only America is big enough for Hegel.” -Walt Whitman
 
Federal overreach for me has always been akin to the stifling of spirit of the Hegelian mind. Put another way: Accelerationism is now the antithesis to the existing paradigm. Echoing Patroklos comment on real social institutions existing for the benefit of all, we may find ourselves speaking to our neighbor again when we realize Big Daddy isn’t really there for us afterall.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Nov 18 2025 20:41 utc | 35

Michael Hudson nails it…
 
That is their idea of national interest. So, it’s not what you mean by national interest. When you and I talk about national interests, we use it in the way that it used to be used 50 years ago. It’s the interest of the entire economy — if you were saying what is good for the economy, in terms of its material welfare and well-being for the population, the increase in output, and the more equal distribution of this output — that’s how you and I, and, I think, most of your listeners, have defined a national interest. 
But the national interest as defined by the European leadership is: No, our interest is the same as in America — the 1%, mainly the 10%. Our interest is in the military-industrial complex. Our interest is the money in our personal pockets, that we get from the bribery from the U.S., from NATO, from the companies that we represent — against the interest of labor and the voters.
So, you have a divergence of national interest, from what used to be called a materialist approach to history: thinking that countries are going to act in their own economic, and social, and political self-interest, in a democratic way that represents what’s good for the population as a whole. This is no longer the meaning of national interest in today’s Western economies, from the United States to Europe.
 
The Strange Case of Europe’s Decline | Michael Hudson

Posted by: Saint Jimmy | Nov 18 2025 20:46 utc | 36

The point Emmanuel Todd makes about religion is spot on.
He’s not the first or the only one, however. The British psychiatrist Iain McGilchrist says essentially the very same thing in his books and his many talks available on YouTube. As did Carl Gustav Jung all his life. 
The decline of religion in the west was actually Jung’s main concern. He predicted that the west had approximately 50 years left, shortly before his death in 1961. That’s 2011 and quite close to the current crisis.
The following quote sums his standpoint up quite nicely:

“We think we can congratulate ourselves on having already reached such a pinnacle of clarity, imagining that we have left all these phantasmal gods far behind. But what we have left behind are only verbal spectres, not the psychic facts that were responsible for the birth of the gods. We are still as much possessed by autonomous contents as if they were Olympians. Today they are called phobias, obsessions, and so forth; in a word, neurotic symptoms. The gods have become diseases; Zeus no longer rules Olympus but rather the solar plexus, and produces curious specimens for the doctor’s consulting room, or disorders of the brains of politicians and journalists who unwillingly let loose psychic epidemics on the world.”

 

Posted by: Helmuth von Moltke | Nov 18 2025 20:48 utc | 37

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Nov 18 2025 20:01 utc | 26
Posted by: frithguild | Nov 18 2025 20:19 utc | 30
 
FDR inherited a bankrupt nation.  The true cretins were Andrew Mellon (Oligarch ans commerce secretary)  Hoover and especially  the dumbest central banker ever  Montagu Norman -second only to Janet Yellen–my fans will be glad to know that the wiki entry below is entirely wrong:
 
“Montagu Norman was Governor from 1920 to 1944. To this day, he is the longest-serving Governor of the Bank of England. Norman played a critical role in rebuilding the international monetary system after World War One.” (1)
 
The moron got on, then off the gold standard in the 20’s , bankrupted the UK and a few former colonies by the end of the war..
 
FDR did what he had to do repatriate the gold give them paper than mark up the paper.  Good legislation in that they separated the investment banks from a standard bank but of course that got changed with Willie Clinton in 1998 killing the 1934 regulations.
 
The Minsky Moment came when Nixon dropped the gold standard in 1971.  The gold as money (2)had its problems but it kept the shylocks honest.  Now with fiat paper governments have grown  big and it seems impossible to stop the trend.  In China Kublai Khan introduced the ‘paper Yuan’ and Marco Polo was amazed that merchants would give the Emperor gold, silver, pearls, silk and , they, in turn received pieces of paper.  That was 1280-the paper Yuan through incredible inflation was finished in 1368-how much time does the US Fiat have….
 
 
1. I know the history et al of the subjects so when I use wiki (because its ubiquitous and quick-)if its correct and if not not  I pick the correct reference.
 
2.  “Gold is money , all else is credit”  J P Morgan 1913, testifying to Congress
 

Posted by: canuk | Nov 18 2025 20:51 utc | 38

I am seeing reports that two thermal power plants in Donetsk People’s Republic region were knocked out emergency declared 2/3 residents are without power..can this be confirmed? 

Posted by: snake | Nov 18 2025 20:52 utc | 39

The EU leaders don’t know how to go on now with their war declared on start 01.01.2028.
All verbal threats and sanctions against Russia have been proved as non-effective measures means nonsense, still now.
They’ve to start-up now with their “own” EU-Army drafted young 20+teans men to fight against Russian soldiers. That’s all.
 

Posted by: spare_truth_03 | Nov 18 2025 20:54 utc | 40

Posted by: Helmuth von Moltke | Nov 18 2025 20:48 utc | 37
 
Brilliant Jung quote-thanks.

Posted by: canuk | Nov 18 2025 20:59 utc | 41

“But the national interest as defined by the European leadership is: No, our interest is the same as in America — the 1%, mainly the 10%.”
 
Posted by: Saint Jimmy | Nov 18 2025 20:46 utc | 36
 
The above is the structure of all human tribes, governments, nations-there was an anomaly just after WW2 where the hoi polloi got more benefit in the West as well as punishing tax rates for the rich.
 
That is the exception to the rule.
 
Show me a historical  example where the nation was ruled for the common man

Posted by: canuk | Nov 18 2025 21:08 utc | 42

Posted by: Helmuth von Moltke | Nov 18 2025 20:48 utc | 37
 
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I believe there may be a connection between Europe’s issues and uncertain future, given that European thinking tends to exist within a bubble.
 
The only time Europeans seem interested in the wisdom and experience of older cultures seems to be when they can expropriate them.
 
Not saying Jung was wrong, I think he was very good, but there is a bigger and more time-tested corpus of human thinking than German/Greek philosophers or Freudian analysis.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 18 2025 21:12 utc | 43

@LD, who said: “It’s 2025, and the internet is very accessible. People can choose their culture, fashion, diet, friends, and class.”
 
This is a vital, critical-importance point. We _do_ have choices,  and it’s probably never been easier to  make and  enforce those  decisions.
 
This is  a great thread. Thanks to Helmuth von Moltke , Saint Jimmy,  Nemesis Calling, frithguild.  Especially liked  Dr. Hudson’s “national  interest” piece. 
 
Know thy interests, and act accordingly.

Posted by: Tom Pfotzer | Nov 18 2025 21:14 utc | 44

Posted by: canuk | Nov 18 2025 21:08 utc | 42
 
Sure. The US from about 1946 through 1980. The economic statistics absolutely prove it. Was it perfect? Hell no but prosperity was pretty much the order of the day. However, it’s quite clear that neoliberal capitalists and the Chicago school morons have succeeded in not only dismantling that but they have managed to create an oligarchy that has also purchased and destroyed our political system. I’m not going to argue with you about because it is so obvious that only some ideologically pure nut would argue otherwise, at this point. Enjoy your “free market” sit sandwich. 

Posted by: Saint Jimmy | Nov 18 2025 21:17 utc | 45

@canuk, who challenged: “Show me a historical example where the nation was ruled for the common man”.  
 
I can’t. 
 
What I can do, that’s even better, is to help the common man become uncommon.
 
And start with me, since every good project manager knows to  start their longest-running processes first.
 
 

Posted by: Tom Pfotzer | Nov 18 2025 21:19 utc | 46

 And it was Clinton who drove the final set of nails into the coffin by using Eric Holder to prosecute the last of the FDRist in congress and regulatory agencies       .Posted by: S Brennan | Nov 18 2025 19:47 utc | 19
Wait!  What?   I have never heard that before.  Please elaborate.   I have heard William Black the bank regulator, talk about Al Gore telling them that they were no longer to prosecute banking crimes, but Holder?   I thought he was busily setting up MERS, the computerized fraud program used to illegally sell housing derivatives.   I didn’t know he started with Clinton.
 
And yeah, St.Jimmy, I also date the visible decline of the US from the 80s, when the Evil Reagan came in and the rhetoric and narrative changed.
No more “common good”, as your quote from Michael Hudson points out.   It was open hate from then on, and the idea of doing things to rise up every citizen was dumped.
They literally killed John Lennon the month before Reagan was inaugurated and they spun it as “The Dreamer Is Dead”.   Not much of a step from there to the Dream being dead, and so it was.
 
As for Baby Boomers, the Evil Reagan cut taxes on the rich, then announced that there were too many Baby Boomers, so they needed to pre-pay their retirement in a “trust fund”, so he doubled the FICA taxes on working people.   Those taxes have never been lowered, even though 3 generations have started working since then.   Our ruling overlords use them to fund government spending.
And the topper is that now they tell us that the trust fund is going to run out in 15 years.  Well, no shit, Sherlock.  That was how it was sold in the first place.  Too bad no one remembers the past.
But the propaganda started then that the Boomers were going to be the last ones to have Social Security (why? If we were pre-paying?), so they started the 401K push.   Blackrock was formed in 1988 and has flourished with the billions of dollars put into it by deluded workers told they would retire as millionaires.   Pie in the sky right before you die, doncha know.
  In the meantime, you pay Larry Fink for 40 years, with no withdrawal without a IRS tax penalty (the government working hand-in-hand with the speculators),  and nothing to show for until then it but a yearly statement dangling the enticement of great wealth.  Well, until the market crashes.  Then it all goes away, and you are exhorted to double your tithing to build it back up!  What a scam.
 
Anyway, my point is that the 80s were a time of union busting, open hateful rhetoric, tax increases on the workers and decreases for the 1%,  real estate speculation unleashed, leading to homeless people living on the streets, and open backing of terrorists in Central America.
Like my dad said in the late 80s, “This is getting to be a mean, mean country.”  
Yep, dad, you were right.   And it has not improved at all since then.

Posted by: wagelaborer | Nov 18 2025 21:20 utc | 47

Posted by: frithguild | Nov 18 2025 20:19 utc | 30
 
made taxing power unlimited (US v Butler).
 
—-
 
A quick search turns up exactly the opposite of your expansive claim:
 

Case Summary of United States v. Butler:
 

  • In 1933, Congress passed the Agricultural Adjustment Act to stabilize agricultural production in the country and help farmers in need.  The Act allowed a tax on certain products so the funds could help other farmers.

  • One farmer who was presented with a tax claim sued in federal court.

  • The District Court ordered the farmer to pay the tax, but the First Circuit reversed.

  • The U.S. Supreme Court affirmed the First Circuit.  It held that Congress exceeded its taxing and spending power with the Act, and that regulation and control of agriculture is within the authority of the states, not Congress.

Posted by: john brewster | Nov 18 2025 21:21 utc | 48

@ ChatNPC | Nov 18 2025 18:22 utc | 1, Saint Jimmy | Nov 18 2025 19:18 utc | 11, S Brennan | Nov 18 2025 19:47 utc | 19
 
The great period of US world dominance was 1945-1970, since which things have obviously deteriorated gradually, decade after decade, with no coming back up, and I was lucky enough to grow up in that period and thus feel sorry for my children, who will struggle to maintain a comfortable standard of living, if that is even possible.
 
However, while the Boomers have been more fortunate than the following generations, their status has been already worse than their own parents. Of the persons I knew from our neighborhood in Seattle in the 1960s, only one person became more prosperous than his parents, and none of us could remotely afford to live in that neighborhood now. Having a permanent job, buying a house, getting married, having children, in short, settling down, all of it has been delayed and continues to get more delayed for each successive generation, until eventually those things don’t happen at all. No wonder refusing to have children has become so popular, a spiraling trend that seems likely to engulf the whole planet.
 
While Boomers have been at fault for going along with things and being consumers, what were we supposed to do? Great forces are marching which no one can withstand, least of all those deliberately deprived of any power whatever by the rotten system, which has taken on a life of its own. Here in the US, we have considerable resources that could in theory be used constructively all wasted instead on the whole stupid idiot imperialist war project of the traitorous neocons, in addition to the refinement of schemes for fleecing the people by imposing all kinds of parasitic private tolls and rents on them (housing, medical care, education, etc.). These are the major immediate causes of the decline in the standard of living of most US residents, which the generality of the Boomers are also suffering from as well. But it is true that a lot of the Boomers have died already and others may also die soon enough not to have to witness the catastrophe that seems to loom ever closer.

Posted by: Cabe | Nov 18 2025 21:21 utc | 49

Posted by: wagelaborer | Nov 18 2025 21:20 utc | 47
 
Bingo. We have a winner. You were actually here and paying attention. 

Posted by: Saint Jimmy | Nov 18 2025 21:23 utc | 50

Big Daddy isn’t really there for us afterall.
Posted by: NemesisCalling | Nov 18 2025 20:41 utc | 35
 
One phenomenon I’ve noticed is that those, especially women, who are the most strident statist views almost all have “Daddy” issues.  You can pass a law that big daddy government will stay forever and support you, when the real daddy left a long time ago. 

Posted by: frithguild | Nov 18 2025 21:25 utc | 51

Posted by: frithguild | Nov 18 2025 21:25 utc | 51
 

One phenomenon I’ve noticed is that those, especially women, who are the most strident statist views almost all have “Daddy” issues.  You can pass a law that big daddy government will stay forever and support you, when the real daddy left a long time ago. 

 
Dude, this is MoA; not ZH or 4chan. Your unsupported personal opinions are a rightwing caricature.
 

Posted by: john brewster | Nov 18 2025 21:33 utc | 52

Today, Russia laid the keel for its next project 22220 nuclear power icebreaker, the Stalingrad, the sixth of the series. Marat Khairullen’s update from yesterday shows what’s happening along the border between Russia and Kharkov Oblast and most everywhere else. There’s also a map that depicts Kramatorsk and Slavyansk and the proximity of the LOC to both. Today’s shows what appears to be the overall avenue of advance to Kharkov city, and conclude their text stating:
 

We are waiting for the activation of the southern flank Marfopol – Mirnoe. By all indications, it is this section’s turn.

 
 
With the new farther flying FABs, deep rear targets will be subjected to bombardments of a much higher scale. To avoid such strikes, troops being rotated or assembled will need to move even further to the rear 300+Km from the LOC. One major difference between Russian and NATO forces is the former can shootdown NATO’s FABs while NATO can’t. Russia is also in the process of perfecting the art of detecting and destroying NATO drone pilots in their rear areas. By June of 2026, enough units will be trained so the entire LOC can be covered by such hunters.
 
And that brings me to Venezuela and the likely reason it won’t be attacked–the USN’s experience with Ansarallah and the ease with which repeated drone swarms can deplete AD interceptors and render a carrier group defenseless–Venezuela’s being advised by both Russia and Iran and are likely building their own drones as fast as possible. The tactics of land and littoral warfare have drastically evolved since 2022. The old ways only work on the defenseless, and they are becoming rare.    

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 18 2025 21:37 utc | 53

Posted by: steel_porcupine | Nov 18 2025 19:41 utc | 16

according to Hamish de Bretton-Gordon

This is where you made your mistake.

Posted by: Sekava Seppo | Nov 18 2025 21:39 utc | 54

ref. @40
If the EU State leaders (except of 3 some others have rejected)  want the “Real military war with Russia” starting on 01.01.2028 as officially announced, the militarily preparation for that ‘goal’ should be started asap. If not, only un-manned Tech-vehicles used by “EU Forces” would stop the ‘Russian threat’. So, let’s mobilize the young EU teans men now in advance, as an extension for having all ‘our’ future MIL-options available in 2028 ..

Posted by: spare_truth_03 | Nov 18 2025 21:40 utc | 55

How cynical and tragic is it that a person like John Mearsheimer had to be invited to the heart of Europe where the EU citizens are supposedly represented, the European Parliament, by the far right Vlaams Belang that was founded by soldiers that fought under Hitler’s Nazi’s on the Eastern front during WWII.

Posted by: xor | Nov 18 2025 21:41 utc | 56

Wait until all of the East and South of the Ukraines has been conquered by Russia and then it is time to run Kiev and Lvov thru the woodshipper. Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Nov 18 2025 20:00 utc | 25

Putin has just crossed the borders of Dnepropetrowsk oblast and Charkow oblast. So he is actually hungrier than I thought, trying to include more areas east of the Dnepr. Both are heavily populated by Russians, and so is also Odessa.
Putin would be crazy to conquer places like Kiev or Lvov, whose population sees themselves as Europeans. Annexing such an area would give rise to a never-ending civil war. These people are different, so they cannot become part of the Russian cake.

Posted by: grunzt | Nov 18 2025 21:43 utc | 57

I would be surprised if Emanuel Todd has any clue about how the NWO  had already arrived in 1991 when David Rockefeller held his talk at the Bilderbergs. And further that it consisted in enslaving Europe under american financial control, in ways that arent  immediately obvious before the economy collapses.
Its the part of it that isnt discussed that may matter most. But the dear philosophers dont worry about it and speculate about psychological aspects.
From my point of view all those stupid parlamentarians or nonelected bureaucrats are there because they are what the oligarchy wants. Cold facts about the pivotal situation in the economic field are likely to decide the actions.

Posted by: petergrfstrm | Nov 18 2025 21:45 utc | 58

I think of NAFTA as the turning point;  nafta made it clear that US elites intended  eliminate jobs in America as fast as they could while at the same time destroying other countries, a brutally toxic two pronged strategy…
 

Posted by: Paul | Nov 18 2025 21:46 utc | 59

Oh dear.  How does one tactfully say to one of the most prominent and courageous of the objectors to this war that he’s got the right answer the wrong way?  Yes, the West provoked the war.  Yes, NATO expansion was a real headache to the Russians and still is.  Yes, the Russians did not want to go to war and spent an inordinate amount of time before and after February 2022 attempting a peaceful resolution.  And yes, Mearsheimer is a notable academic and in his own field, I reckon, the top academic.
 
But when he ventures out of his field, disaster!   Where is the Mearsheimer of only a few years back, explaining and using the very term that it’s dumb sending in Nazis against the Russians?   Where is the understanding of the previous events in the Donbass, ATO and all?  Where is there any close examination of the Ukrainian population mix and of the changing attitudes of the components of that mix?  Where is the understanding of the Russian strategy from day one of the invasion?
 
And above all, where is there mention  of the Revolution of Dignity?  Because considering the war in Ukraine without looking at how it all started back in 2014 is akin to considering the Russian invasion of Germany – which when you think about it was a pretty aggressive move taken by itself – without ever mentioning the preceding German attack on Russia!
 
It won’t do.  Arising out of a discussion with Don Firineach on MOA I attempted to put the central error in Mearsheimers’s analysis in a comment section here:-
 
https://canadiandimension.com/articles/view/squaring-an-impossible-circle-of-peace-and-insecurity-in-ukraine
 
From 2nd comment down.  Sorry it’s so wordy.  In short, we can’t even begin to look at the Russian invasion of Ukraine without looking very closely indeed at what was happening on the LoC in February 2022.  Get that wrong and all is wrong.  Yes, the war was provoked. Mearsheimer’s right there.  But it was provoked by the deliberate intensification of the immediate military threat on the LoC. 
 
Get that right and the questions tumble out.  Why didn’t Scholz go to Kiev just before the SMO kicked off and tell Zelensky to pull his forces back?  Instead of going to Moscow and trying to pull the wool over Putin’s eyes.  Why did Macron play dumb with Putin just before the SMO, instead of  telling Zelensky to pull back.  Because after the Scholz Moscow visit and the telephone call with Macron the shelling intensified.   It did not cease.  
 
So many questions.  Why did they  all pretend that Ukraine had a ghost of a chance against Russia?   OK, we all accept this was a Russia versus NATO contest but how was that supposed to help the Ukrainians.  The British army had spent a couple of decades or more doing its famous disappearing act.  The Inspector General had found and publicly reported that the German army would take ten to twenty years to recover from its state of dereliction.  The French army – need one go on?  It was known on all hands that the European armies could lend no significant assistance and as for the American army,  that was in no condition to be deployed in this theatre and all knew it.  In manpower terms the Ukrainians were going up against Russia more or less solo.  They were never in with the ghost of a chance and yet we put them up against the Russians.  Why?
 
Not only that, we blocked repeatedly any chance of a settlement, before and after February 2022.  We’re still doing it.  Only a month or so ago a British defence Minister was asserting his job was to “keep Ukraine in the fight”.  Merz insisting on the same.  Why?
 
Those questions ask themselves.  Insistently.  Yet Mearsheimer does not address them or misses their significance.  And look at this!  From the speech linked to by “b”:-
 
“Russia is the weakest of the three great powers and contrary to what many Europeans think, it is not a threat to overrun all of Ukraine, much less eastern Europe. After all, it has spent the past three and a half years just trying to conquer the eastern one-fifth of Ukraine. The Russian army is not the Wehrmacht and Russia—unlike the Soviet Union during the Cold War and China in East Asia today—is not a potential regional hegemon. ”
 
https://www.theamericanconservative.com/mearsheimer-europes-bleak-future/
 
(From the transcript given)
 
After all, it has spent the past three and a half years just trying to conquer the eastern one-fifth of Ukraine.”  It’s been doing nothing of the sort.  It’s been more or less just sitting there, nice logistics and close to home, methodically destroying all the proxies and all the equipment NATO can throw at it.  Does the Professor not understand that that’s how wars of attrition are supposed to work?  
 
 

Posted by: English Outsider | Nov 18 2025 21:47 utc | 60

“I think of NAFTA as the turning point;  nafta made it clear that US elites intended  eliminate jobs in America as fast as they could while at the same time destroying other countries, a brutally toxic two pronged strategy…”
 
Posted by: Paul | Nov 18 2025 21:46 utc | 59
 
I agree that NAFTA was a turning point but not that they wanted to ‘eliminate jobs in America’ -they just wanted to make more money-the Serfs getting hurt was a by-product.

Posted by: canuk | Nov 18 2025 21:50 utc | 61

Posted by: Tom Pfotzer | Nov 18 2025 21:19 utc | 46
 
Clever answer.

Posted by: canuk | Nov 18 2025 21:52 utc | 62

Posted by: Cabe | Nov 18 2025 21:21 utc | 49
I don’t blame the Boomers any more or less than any other generation.  If the last few years (say sine the GFC) have shown us anything is that it is almost impossible to change anything democratically, especially in terms of financial policy or foreign policy.
I do blame the politicians, for betraying their campaign promises, selling out the voters to the interests of the donor class and to lobbyists and for kicking the can down the road indefinitely on anything marked ‘too difficult’,
And yet we know that competent, confident, civic management for the general benefit of all is possible, as we saw in the late-Victorian, late inter-war and immediate post-war periods (think sanitation and water infrastructure, public transport, energy grid build out, decent health care, banking regulation etc – much of what they did still survives, often,sadly, in private hands).

Posted by: ChatNPC | Nov 18 2025 21:55 utc | 63

The move further into Kharkov is the same as Sumy–to create a buffer zone. With NATO essentially declaring war, gaining as much of Ukraine makes sense. The big Q: Will the Poles commit suicide by attacking the Union State? The second Q: What about the Romanians? They’ve seen how the Ukrainians were treated, and I doubt they want the same. 

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 18 2025 21:57 utc | 64

[US v Butler]
Posted by: john brewster | Nov 18 2025 21:21 utc | 48
 
Article I, Section 8 lists 17 dependent clauses starting with “to” that list what enumerated activity may be the purpose Congress my utilize to levy a tax:
 
The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States;
Article I | U.S. Constitution | US Law | LII / Legal Information Institute https://share.google/A76jiAY87qOBR7BRY
Yet, the US v Butler Court, looked at the “general welfare” language in the precatory paragraph (before the 17 “to”‘s) and found “Congress is expressly empowered to lay taxes to provide for the general welfare.” 297 U.S. at  66. Generalia specialibus non derodant and the Federalist Papers are not even cited, which is a dead giveaway that the just made something up. 
 
So the the limiting language, that a tax for an enumerated purpose must also provide for the general welfare, was perverted to mean that none of the 17 authorized purposes have any meaning at all whatsoever. 
 
And so the leviathan was given a steady source of food. 

Posted by: frithguild | Nov 18 2025 22:04 utc | 65

@Saint Jimmy

Having actually lived through all of it as one of those lucky but despised “boomers”, I date the beginning of the economic AND cultural downturn to the mid-1980s. 
Posted by: Saint Jimmy | Nov 18 2025 18:41 utc | 3

I disagree.
A significant number of cultural changes occurred in the 1960’s which paved the way for normalization of the destruction of American society in the 1970’s. By the middle of the 1970’s very few “nuclear families” remained, and most of American households were broken up, fractured, and adjusting to a new “normal”.
Ah. the easiest most visible indicator of the destruction of the American household was the replacement of “formal sit-down dinners together”, with “fast food, television snacking, and take-out”.
The 1980’s were the direct result of the normalization of a sub-par, and denigrated American society. A fully on, consumerist society, serving as a income base for an out-of-control rapacious government.

Posted by: Rufus Arrr | Nov 18 2025 22:09 utc | 66

karlof1 | Nov 18 2025 21:57 utc | 64
 
The chances of any yapping poodles attacking Russia is quickly fading. Their Ukroid cannon fodder is being exterminated like cockroaches. Their faggot schemes to send in a force to prop up the Ukroids – bullshit piss and wind.
 
With the great southern offensive, the American investors did not get bang for their buck, so they pulled out. The effete bankers of Europe were not so smart.
Macron, Merz, Rutte – the brits have long disappeared down Alice’s rabbit hole – The stupid noises they are still making. Its ridiculous.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 18 2025 22:12 utc | 67

Posted by: English Outsider | Nov 18 2025 21:47 utc | 60 – as a reference to:“.. After all, it has spent the past three and a half years just trying to conquer the eastern one-fifth of Ukraine.” It’s been doing nothing of the sort. It’s been more or less just sitting there, nice logistics and close to home, methodically destroying all the proxies and all the equipment NATO can throw at it ..” As referred, getting “one-fifth of Ukraine” and “just sitting there, nice logistics and close to home” may be a comfortable outside-feeling and reporting for any non-soldier observers/journalists, but the reality on the ground looks + sounds in a “little other approach” if having been there ..Russian soldiers are still operating at its  ‘best’ because believing towards their own home professional commands. But what’s about European young soldiers in case of some infantry OPs starting at 01.01.2028 00:00 UTC ..?

Posted by: spare_truth_03 | Nov 18 2025 22:21 utc | 68

@ Posted by: ChatNPC | Nov 18 2025 18:22 utc | 1
 
I agree with Emmanuel Todd that the US was already in economic decline in the 1960s. And I have read industrial analyses saying that the US began to decline rather soon after the end of WWII, based on the observation that US industries even in the late 1940s and early 1950s were making inadequate investment toward upgrading machine tools. 
 
 

Posted by: Clever Dog | Nov 18 2025 22:22 utc | 69

What about the Romanians? They’ve seen how the Ukrainians were treated, and I doubt they want the same.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 18 2025 21:57 utc | 64
 
I’m afraid the Romanians will not be asked. They voted for one person and that person was removed. Romania is now a text book dictatorship. As is most of the rest of Europe. Will the decision makers want their countries to share the fate of Ukraine? Yes, absolutely they will. They are moved up the ranks and allowed into power by the US, because they are ruthless, spineless, inapt individuals. Just look at Japan! The lady wants to throw her people at China, for the sake of the US. She wants to hand over hundreds of billions of $ to the USA. She is asking for nuclear weapons to be stationed in Japan. All this, while the japanese people can watch the destruction of Ukraine live on the tele.
Europe is on the same path, suicidal, sleepwalking, like it’s 1914 and everyone is just waiting for some despicable little prince to be shot, so they can beat the war drums. Millions of completely brainwashed sheep will enthusiastically support the lies and the hatred and they will all love the Big Brother.

Posted by: Hamburger | Nov 18 2025 22:23 utc | 70

Some like to talk about human nature. Personally, I am a big believer in incentives.
 
Capitalism and Democracy do not have the incentives to create the world many would like to live in. Both ideologies cater to a niche elite, who develop many of the habits and mannerisms typical of elites (degeneracy, emotional immaturity, ignorance, and sloth). A real race to the bottom.
 
So any discussion of how to change things has to have no sacred cows and be willing to question and test everything. Tinkering won’t work because people will fall back into old patterns they were raised in.
 
The Chinese have given a great example of how to try something different. The Yemenis have shown how to do something different. The Cubans, the Iranians, the Sahel States, the DPRK, etc.
 
Many who have gotten out from under Western sanctions have found ways to thrive.
 
Those models may not be to everyone’s taste but they have found a way to do things without having mass homelessness or bankruptcy. They don’t have starving people living on the streets. The Chinese lifted hundreds of millions out of poverty to now have the wealthiest nation (by production, not consumption or debt) in the world. How?
 
What are they doing differently? How have they developed and nurtured different incentives for governance?
 
These are questions worth asking, IMO.
 
But to do so, one would have to stretch their sources beyond the Talmudic West and learn about what other people tried and failed, and why and how they iterated to try again.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 18 2025 22:23 utc | 71

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 18 2025 22:12 utc | 67
 
Your prediction is pretty much the opposite from what I just posted. Obviously I hope you are right. We will have to wait and see. There are probably good and realistic arguments for your position. Let’s hope, they prevail.

Posted by: Hamburger | Nov 18 2025 22:28 utc | 72

As referred above @68, getting “one-fifth of Ukraine” and “just sitting there, nice logistics and close to home” may be a very comfortable outside-feeling and reporting of any non-soldier observers/journalists, but the reality on the ground looks + sounds in a “little other approach” if having been there .. Russian soldiers are still operating at its ‘best’ because believing towards their own home professional commands. But what’s about European young +20 age soldiers professional approach in case of urgent infantry OPs starting at 01.01.2028 00:00 UTC ..?

Posted by: spare_truth_03 | Nov 18 2025 22:33 utc | 73

Posted by: Rufus Arrr | Nov 18 2025 22:09 utc | 66
 
Laughable. Traditional families were still a dominant feature during the 1960s and 1970s. I WAS THERE. Working class families in most of the country were pretty secure and intact. 

Posted by: Saint Jimmy | Nov 18 2025 22:43 utc | 74

Posted by: ChatNPC | Nov 18 2025 21:55 utc | 63
 
Yes. The “boomers are evil” shit is just one more way to divide the working and middle classes…. or what is left of them. 

Posted by: Saint Jimmy | Nov 18 2025 22:45 utc | 75

English Outsider | Nov 18 2025 21:47 utc | 60
 
FWIW, I never have liked Mearsheimer and seen him as way overrated. As a result, I ignore him. How to explain all the oddities of US/NATO policy since the USSR’s fall? A very long essay would be needed to deal with that big Q. However, IMO the very short answer is there was a split in the Empire’s Imperial establishment over its goals: One the one hand, there were those wanting to act on the Wolfowitz Doctrine which published Joint Vision 2010 in 1996 that advocated attaining Full Spectrum Dominance, and on the other hand there were US Zionists who published that same year A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm which put Israeli interests first. At the time, what was to become the First Chechen War was raging, Russia seemed to be falling apart and being conquered by Neoliberal kleptocrats along with the rest of the USSR. Eastern Europe was easy fare for the Neoliberals and EU/NATO to scoop up, so the problem was how to justify the exorbitant amount of money spent on the MIC and Overseas Empire. That was an easy one for Dick Cheney–devise a false flag terror attack on the USA, call it the new Pearl Harbor and declare a War of Terror aimed at fulfilling the Clean Break, which would serve two goals: Secure the Zionists and dig into Russia’s “soft underbelly” to acquire Central Asia and then perhaps Siberia. At the time (1996-2002), it seemed like a cake walk. All but forgotten in this was China. And trying to combine two major goals into one was the really big mistake because of Putin and Russia, both of which were vastly underestimated. One of Putin’s first major deals was his reaching out to China and mending fences with a very good treaty in 2002. The second was capitalizing on NATO’s terror war on Russia in Chechnya that generated a rebirth of Russian patriotism which allowed him to control the kleptocrats with help from many, most importantly Dmitri Medvedev, his buddy from St. Petersburg. 
 
If the Outlaw US Empire had chosen to concentrate on taming Russia instead of dividing its focus, it might have prevented a Putin from appearing and escalated its operational hold on Russia to the point of colonizing it as it did Eastern Europe. But that choice wasn’t made. 911 was chosen instead and a completely different path that involved even more deliberate lies to the American people and the world, something that wouldn’t be needed if the Russian path had been followed. So, yes, IMO, the Zionist capture of a portion of the elite resulted in the mess we have today. If the longstanding British geopolitical plan had been followed, IMO our world today would be quite different in an unknown manner.      

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 18 2025 22:55 utc | 76

US industries even in the late 1940s and early 1950s were making inadequate investment toward upgrading machine tools.
Posted by: Clever Dog | Nov 18 2025 22:22 utc | 69
 
In the 1960s the machine tool industry was looked at as a mere revenue stream for the supply of parts. Kohlberg, Kravis & Roberts, the a boutique firm, employed the leveraged buyout to break machine tool conglomerates to pieces. See Baker “The New Financial Capitalists: Kohlberg Kravis Roberts and the Creation of Corporate Value” Avoiding strict tort liability (Restatement 402A) played a huge part.
 
So you are right Mr.  Clever Dog. By the 1960’s it was already all over. 

Posted by: frithguild | Nov 18 2025 22:55 utc | 77

… and I doubt they want the same.
Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 18 2025 21:57 utc | 64
 
You forget propaganda and media, that is how ppl get directed.

Posted by: smartfox | Nov 18 2025 22:58 utc | 78

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 18 2025 22:55 utc | 76
 
Fabulous post. Thank you. 

Posted by: frithguild | Nov 18 2025 22:59 utc | 79

Let’s go for the good news of the day.
 
The yankees approved the sale to the ukronazis of a Patriot battery and sam  worth 105 millions.
Such battery lasts only one week at most.
 
Drone swarms heading towards Tcherkasi and Kiev regions as well as towards Nikolaey and Odessa.
 
Since the beginning of this year the Vostok group as liberated more than 1400 km2.
 
First flight of the SU75 will take place in early 2026. “Chess”.
 
A building occupied by ukronazis (who gathered there all day…) in Dimitrov was destroyed by a FAB3000.
 
7 Colombian mercenaries were liquidated  in the Rovnopoli area. They arrived in October. They lasted little more than a Patriot battery.
 
Umerov made a deal with the yankees: against immunity he will cooperate (full confession…) about corruption. The theft is said to have exceeded 23 billions.
 
Megalomaniac Trump again is bragging about the 8 wars he already stopped. In front of MBS. LOL!
 
After the House, the Senate approved the Epstein Files Transparency Act which is now going to Trump’s desk… LOL!!
 
Meeting between Yermak and Witkoff canceled.
 
One deputy of the Rada has called for Yermak’s head.
 
The railway in Poland was exploded. By two Ukrainian partisans who could flee to Bielorussia.

Posted by: Naive | Nov 18 2025 23:04 utc | 80

He has pegged the start of US decline to the mid 1960s – which would explain why the Boomers had it so good and Gen X and subsequent have been increasingly given the shaft.
Posted by: ChatNPC | Nov 18 2025 18:22 utc | 1
Mid 1960s is when the USA government passed a law changing immigration law. That is, opening it up to non European countries. Which led to a permanent increase in the amounts. Also in the mid 1960s American companies had already begun moving their factories to other countries like Taiwan.

Posted by: Cheney | Nov 18 2025 23:05 utc | 81

Following commenters should be falling asleep now and paused here due to permanent OOT-issues disturbing this forum – It’s only my suggestion, OK that ?: 
Saint Jimmy , several ooT comments, ChatNPC several ooT comments.

Posted by: spare_truth_03 | Nov 18 2025 23:07 utc | 82

Rustem Umerov is giving testimony at the FBI headquarters yesterday and today.Apparently, after making a deal of “full confession in exchange for immunity,” Umerov will return to Ukraine and be questioned by NABU and SAP. According to investigators, the scale of thefts in Ukraine has exceeded $23 billion. Most of it was stolen from the defense industry and ammunition procurement, with the rest taken from the construction of fortifications and engineering structures. What is charged to Mindich is the subsistence minimum in Zelensky’s circle, amounting to about $2.7 billion, and is just the beginning of a major investigation. Mindich will have an interview next week with FBI agents who will arrive at his office in Jerusalem. Afterwards, he may be detained and escorted to the US.
Yermak is done. The acting chargé d’affaires of Ukraine from the USA told the leaders of the Rada parties and the staff of the US embassy that a competition for the new head of Zelensky’s office will start tomorrow. Yermak will be questioned upon arrival at NABU and SAP, after which he will resign.

Posted by: unnamed | Nov 18 2025 23:12 utc | 83

Posted by: spare_truth_03 | Nov 18 2025 23:07 utc | 82
If by OOT you mean something off topic, I would suggest you re-read the original post by b and look at the content of the links he posted. Maybe reconsider.
I’m wide awake btw.
HTH
 

Posted by: ChatNPC | Nov 18 2025 23:16 utc | 84

Saint Jimmy | Nov 18 2025 22:43 utc | 74
 
Agreed. Billy Joel wrote Allentown in 1978 which marked the beginning of the great decline that accelerated under Reagan, but we must give credit to Carter and Volker for decimating many with the massive recession his 21% prime rate caused–many lost homes and jobs, divorces went wild and families began falling apart with two wage earners now required for middle class living. The job boom claimed by Clinton was explained well by the joke: “Jobs are up under Clinton. Yeah, I have three of them.” In 1988, I bought a VW Fox for $8100. By 2004, my Subaru Outback cost $25,000. When the “Thee’s no free lunch” crowd took over America around 1900, the end result of 2000 was sealed as Neoliberalism killed Industrial Capitalism and Fascist politics killed the working-class movement in the years following WW2. All we have now is nostalgia and contempt for Duopoly politics.
 
Hamburger | Nov 18 2025 22:23 utc | 70
 
Thanks for your reply. The key is the people–will they follow those imposed upon them? Only time will tell.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 18 2025 23:16 utc | 85

great

Posted by: Chasity Crooks | Nov 18 2025 23:18 utc | 86

ꜱᴜᴘᴇʀ-ꜰᴀꜱᴛ ᴍᴏɴᴇʏ-ᴍᴀᴋɪɴɢ ᴏɴʟɪɴᴇ ᴊᴏʙ ᴛʜᴀᴛ ꜰʟᴏᴏᴅꜱ ʏᴏᴜʀ ʙᴀɴᴋ ᴀᴄᴄᴏᴜɴᴛ ᴡɪᴛʜ ᴄᴀꜱʜ ᴇᴠᴇʀʏ ᴡᴇᴇᴋ. ʙʏ ᴡᴏʀᴋɪɴɢ ᴊᴜꜱᴛ 2 ʜᴏᴜʀꜱ ᴀ ᴅᴀʏ ᴀꜰᴛᴇʀ ᴄᴏʟʟᴇɢᴇ, ɪ ᴍᴀᴅᴇ $17,529 ʟᴀꜱᴛ ᴍᴏɴᴛʜ. ɪ ʜᴀᴅ ᴢᴇʀᴏ ᴇxᴘᴇʀɪᴇɴᴄᴇ ᴡʜᴇɴ ɪ ꜱᴛᴀʀᴛᴇᴅ, ᴀɴᴅ ɪɴ ᴍʏ ꜰɪʀꜱᴛ ᴍᴏɴᴛʜ, ɪ ᴇᴀꜱɪʟʏ ᴇᴀʀɴᴇᴅ $11,854. ᴛʜɪꜱ ᴊᴏʙ ɪꜱ ɪɴᴄʀᴇᴅɪʙʟʏ ᴇᴀꜱʏ ᴛᴏ ᴅᴏ, ᴀɴᴅ ᴛʜᴇ ʀᴇɢᴜʟᴀʀ ɪɴᴄᴏᴍᴇ ɪꜱ ꜰᴀɴᴛᴀꜱᴛɪᴄ. ᴡᴀɴᴛ ᴛᴏ ᴊᴏɪɴ ʀɪɢʜᴛ ɴᴏᴡ? ᴊᴜꜱᴛ ᴠɪꜱɪᴛ ᴛʜɪꜱ ᴡᴇʙᴘᴀɢᴇ ꜰᴏʀ ᴍᴏʀᴇ ɪɴꜰᴏ.

Posted by: Chasity Crooks | Nov 18 2025 23:19 utc | 87

Witkoff is meeting w/ Volodymyr on 19 November in Istanbul to tell him to to jettison Yermak.   In Yermak’s place, the U.S. will elevate someone else to serve as Volodymr’s Chief of Staff.
 
Although Europe is in charge of managing Project Ukraine, the U.S. is pulling the wings off the fly.  Volodymyr will have fewer & fewer of his loyal supplicants surrounding/protecting him.
 
It’s like the quarterback in American tackle football who finds the coach, the offensive coordinator and the team’s general manager fired from underneath his alfa-sierra-sieraa—plusthe star receiver gets traded away for someday prospects.
 
Who is still loyal to the original quarterback-?
 
Oops, there goes gravity.  Oops, there goes rabbity.

Posted by: steel_porcupine | Nov 18 2025 23:19 utc | 88

ꜱᴜᴘᴇʀ-ꜰᴀꜱᴛ ᴍᴏɴᴇʏ-ᴍᴀᴋɪɴɢ ᴏɴʟɪɴᴇ ᴊᴏʙ ᴛʜᴀᴛ ꜰʟᴏᴏᴅꜱ ʏᴏᴜʀ ʙᴀɴᴋ ᴀᴄᴄᴏᴜɴᴛ ᴡɪᴛʜ ᴄᴀꜱʜ ᴇᴠᴇʀʏ ᴡᴇᴇᴋ. ʙʏ ᴡᴏʀᴋɪɴɢ ᴊᴜꜱᴛ 2 ʜᴏᴜʀꜱ ᴀ ᴅᴀʏ ᴀꜰᴛᴇʀ ᴄᴏʟʟᴇɢᴇ, ɪ ᴍᴀᴅᴇ $17,529 ʟᴀꜱᴛ ᴍᴏɴᴛʜ. ɪ ʜᴀᴅ ᴢᴇʀᴏ ᴇxᴘᴇʀɪᴇɴᴄᴇ ᴡʜᴇɴ ɪ ꜱᴛᴀʀᴛᴇᴅ, ᴀɴᴅ ɪɴ ᴍʏ ꜰɪʀꜱᴛ ᴍᴏɴᴛʜ, ɪ ᴇᴀꜱɪʟʏ ᴇᴀʀɴᴇᴅ $11,854. ᴛʜɪꜱ ᴊᴏʙ ɪꜱ ɪɴᴄʀᴇᴅɪʙʟʏ ᴇᴀꜱʏ ᴛᴏ ᴅᴏ, ᴀɴᴅ ᴛʜᴇ ʀᴇɢᴜʟᴀʀ ɪɴᴄᴏᴍᴇ ɪꜱ ꜰᴀɴᴛᴀꜱᴛɪᴄ. ᴡᴀɴᴛ ᴛᴏ ᴊᴏɪɴ ʀɪɢʜᴛ ɴᴏᴡ? ᴊᴜꜱᴛ ᴠɪꜱɪᴛ ᴛʜɪꜱ ᴡᴇʙᴘᴀɢᴇ
 
ꜰᴏʀ ᴍᴏʀᴇ ɪɴꜰᴏ…. https://iplogger.cn/2cFu25

Posted by: Chasity Crooks | Nov 18 2025 23:20 utc | 89

Warwick Powell’s recent missive seems apposite, describing the current policy paralysis of the GOP.
Hogtied by their own ideology they are unable to meet the desires of the alt-right MAGA crowd.
Post-liberalism’s funhouse mirror
 

Posted by: ChatNPC | Nov 18 2025 23:20 utc | 90

America and its founding principles centered around isolationism and government only where it is absolutely needed. 
Posted by: NemesisCalling | Nov 18 2025 20:01 utc | 26
 
Dont think I’ve heard that before.  Thanks. I think the people who lead the states will just isolate the people from the rest of the world. And there will be government up the who haw. I do get what you are saying tho. Back in the founding days there weren’t 350million people in the country and ICBM didn’t exist.  While i agree w smaller government you gotta have some government w the power to enforce law. Big country right?  And economic isolation today is MAID. If they turned the country into something that resembled a strip mine w greenish oasis they would be lucky to have  5-10 years of autarky. At 350 million humans anyways. I can see aid containers labeled in mandarin and cyrillik  by the time my children are my age. So 30-40 years.

Posted by: Tannenhouser | Nov 18 2025 23:21 utc | 91

 smartfox | Nov 18 2025 22:58 utc | 78
 
Thanks for your reply. Yes, but not all the people as you and I testify.
 
frithguild | Nov 18 2025 22:59 utc | 79
 
Thanks for your reply. We must remember the roots. Those are the shallower roots. The deeper roots need a book, although much of them are known. Just when to begin the narrative is one of the harder Qs. 

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 18 2025 23:23 utc | 92

*** Afterwards, he may be detained and escorted to the US. ***
Posted by: unnamed | Nov 18 2025 23:12 utc | 83
 
That’s probably the only way to avoid joining Gonzalo Lira. 

Posted by: frithguild | Nov 18 2025 23:29 utc | 93

Hamburger | Nov 18 2025 22:23 utc | 70
 
Yeah. You were also here and paying attention. 

Posted by: Saint Jimmy | Nov 18 2025 23:29 utc | 94

frithguild | Nov 18 2025 22:59 utc | 79—
How many votes do you and I have in the election?
What we can direct?

Posted by: smartfox | Nov 18 2025 23:30 utc | 95

Posted by: ChatNPC | Nov 18 2025 23:16 utc | 84
 
Thank you. History is proving these people to be fools. 

Posted by: Saint Jimmy | Nov 18 2025 23:31 utc | 96

The deeper roots need a book, although much of them are known. Just when to begin the narrative is one of the harder Qs.
Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 18 2025 23:23 utc | 92
 
This would be a very worthwhile book. This topic has confused me for just about forever. 

Posted by: frithguild | Nov 18 2025 23:32 utc | 97

Posted by: elonmuskiscool | Nov 18 2025 19:30 utc | 14
Academic Agent has been following the America First/Israek First kerfuffle between Fuentes/Carlson and Levin/Shapiro.
He does a good job  against Shapiro here:
Nick Fuentes’s 10 Most Damaging Points Against Ben Shapiro And Matt Walsh
 

Posted by: ChatNPC | Nov 18 2025 23:32 utc | 98

The Soviet Union was destroyed by Gorbachev. In 1993 he admitted:”It’s not that I’m not doing anything. I analyze the situation and take a stance on the major problems, and I do so with the utmost rigour. I am not dispassionate about it like an outside observer because whatever is happening today is related to what I started in 1985. The Gorbachev era is not over, it is only just beginning….And Gorbachev had to steer the ship of perestroika through the cliffs. It was not yet possible to announce things for which the people were not yet ready. I would have been declared insane, the people would have been torn apart, civil war could have ensued. One had to be patient until the party bureaucracy was so disempowered that it could no longer turn back the wheel of history. In the end, the party no longer had enough steam to drive, they just had enough strength to honk the horn one last time….SPIEGEL: Mikhail Sergeyevich, are you no longer a communist?GORBACHEV: If you take my statements, then you will realize that my political sympathies belong to Social Democracy and the idea of ​​a welfare state on the lines of the Federal Republic of Germany.”https://archive.is/GXgML
Even former Nazi Party member and Ex-FM Genscher later admitted:”A new leadership in Moscow, Gorbachev, Shevardnadze and Yakovlev, launched a revolution from above.”https://archive.is/8cWSq

Posted by: p3t3r | Nov 18 2025 23:33 utc | 99

Posted by: p3t3r | Nov 18 2025 23:33 utc | 99
 
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Xi Jinping has encouraged the Chinese party to study the fall of the USSR, the how and the why.
 
Besides being retarded and alien, the West has little chance of subverting China from within.
 

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 18 2025 23:40 utc | 100