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November 12, 2025
Open (Neither Ukraine Nor Palestine) Thread 2025-263
News & views not related to the wars in Ukraine and Palestine …
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By the way, I have been threatened here on MoA before by a Muslim for putting forth a theological argument … the religion of peace does have its ways to keep it I guess. Posted by: General Factotum | Nov 13 2025 1:01 utc | 102 Posted by: Suresh | Nov 12 2025 22:18 utc | 77 Posted by: Archetypex | Nov 13 2025 1:02 utc | 103 JohnH | Nov 12 2025 22:00 utc | 70—
Any religion, which are most, that posits their god is the one and only true god will kill those it deems heretics–unbelievers. That’s the lesson history teaches. Otherwise, there’s very little to be found. Cambio looks informative but most of its items are behind the subscription barrier. Posted by: Archetypex | Nov 13 2025 1:15 utc | 106 Any religion, which are most, that posits their god is the one and only true god will kill those it deems heretics–unbelievers. That’s the lesson history teaches. Posted by: Archetypex | Nov 13 2025 1:21 utc | 107 Okay I’ll ask you right out, is it okay to burn a Quran, yes or no? Posted by: arby | Nov 13 2025 1:23 utc | 108
Quite apart from begging the obvious question ‘how many others have you tried?’, the assertion is an oxymoron – if you thought some other God was the one true God, why on earth would you worship this one? Posted by: ChatNPC | Nov 13 2025 1:32 utc | 109 Recently Updated @ 89, Peter AU 1 @ 94: Posted by: Refinnejenna | Nov 13 2025 1:50 utc | 110 Any religion, which are most, that posits their god is the one and only true god will kill those it deems heretics–unbelievers. That’s the lesson history teaches. Posted by: malenkov | Nov 13 2025 2:11 utc | 111 Refinnejenna 110 111 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 13 2025 2:26 utc | 112 Ooops. This is gonna be bad… Let’s see if they really release the emails. Rumour has it that there are “negotiations” underway…. Dooh! Posted by: Ledovik1 | Nov 13 2025 2:34 utc | 113 Archetypex | Nov 13 2025 1:15 utc | 106— malenkov | Nov 13 2025 2:11 utc | 112— Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 13 2025 1:09 utc | 104 Posted by: juliania | Nov 13 2025 3:03 utc | 116 Here I hope is that important link – it is a long but important conversation! Posted by: juliania | Nov 13 2025 3:05 utc | 117 The ups and downs of global life….. Posted by: Bingo | Nov 13 2025 3:58 utc | 118 The ups and downs of global life….. Posted by: Bingo | Nov 13 2025 3:58 utc | 119 French FM at G7 Meeting in Canada Says US Boat Strikes Violate International Law Posted by: John Gilberts | Nov 13 2025 4:49 utc | 120 So what needs to happen is to ride the populist right to minimization of the DC empire and, at the same time, replace it with the fifty states that were always supposed to be where the action was politically in this country.So let’s have a California (and similar states) with Medicare for all, robust social security for all, progressive taxation, minimal foreign interference, etc. and other states go their own way. Democratic and doable. Posted by: HB Brian | Nov 13 2025 4:58 utc | 121 In Europe, in the last couple of decades, the has been a massive influx of young men of different culture. The sort of young men not willing to fight for their country. Braines perhaps scrambled by67 NGO’s and propaganda. Crime has exploded. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 13 2025 5:29 utc | 122 John Gilberts | Nov 13 2025 4:49 utc | 124 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 13 2025 5:35 utc | 123 What the world is now. The mess the world is in now. All the result of Anglo American wars of conquest coupled to the woke brainwashing that has occurred in the last several decades. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 13 2025 5:48 utc | 124 Before bloviating on a Posted by: necromancer | Nov 13 2025 5:53 utc | 125 China vs Australia: hospital surgery etc. Posted by: General Factotum | Nov 13 2025 6:04 utc | 126 necromancer | Nov 13 2025 5:53 utc | 131 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 13 2025 6:15 utc | 127 Posted by: General Factotum | Nov 13 2025 6:04 utc | 132 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 13 2025 6:28 utc | 128 Posted by: necromancer | Nov 13 2025 5:53 utc | 131 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 13 2025 6:37 utc | 129 “Posted by: General Factotum | Nov 13 2025 6:04 utc | 132” Posted by: Asian Frog | Nov 13 2025 7:13 utc | 130 @A rope leash | Nov 13 2025 0:53 utc | 100
Elon Musk will not take “humanity” to Mars with or without robots.
The day/night variation in temperature is several hundred degrees Celsius, in fact greater than the seasonal variation. This despite the fact that the atmosphere is close to 100% CO2. Yes, the surface pressure is something like 0.01 atmospheres, but there is more absolute amount of CO2 in the Martian atmosphere than on Earth, but no “greenhouse effect” to talk about, because the scientific basis for it is non-existent.
Musk is a con man. He talks about what he is going to do (if you believe him), rather than what he has achieved. Musk is not going to Mars.
The “useless eaters” are the bankers who exist due to excessive financialization. Posted by: Norwegian | Nov 13 2025 7:37 utc | 131
But the important fact is that secondary sanctions are destroying BRICS.Remember when you lambasted Trump for stating ‘BRICS are dead’ a few weeks ago? Posted by: Louis | Nov 13 2025 7:38 utc | 132 The US doubts China,’s claims about quantum radar. China says 60 miles but us radar only 6.2miles. Posted by: Bingo | Nov 13 2025 7:50 utc | 133 I’ve seen it reported anecdotally that Chinese universities and employers no longer value Western qualifications with much esteem, particularly in STEM or medical subjects, leading to students in these fields staying in their domestic universities and academic institutions. Posted by: Lmaa | Nov 13 2025 7:53 utc | 134 @QE2 | Nov 13 2025 7:24 utc | 139 Posted by: Norwegian | Nov 13 2025 7:59 utc | 135 Now the MSM is laughing at Venezula and the mobilized “peasants” who have few weapons against the mighty US killing machine. Posted by: Bingo | Nov 13 2025 7:59 utc | 136 @Norwegian | Nov 13 2025 7:59 utc | 145 Posted by: Norwegian | Nov 13 2025 8:01 utc | 137 @Bingo | Nov 13 2025 7:59 utc | 146
Yes, the US spent 20 years replacing the Taliban with the Taliban. Posted by: Norwegian | Nov 13 2025 8:10 utc | 138 Think like a Bayesian! Posted by: too scents | Nov 13 2025 8:13 utc | 139 Merz is determined to give Ukraine billions more in Euro’s at great expense to German citizens and public services.For me the EU should be dissolved. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Nov 12 2025 20:03 utc | 35 Posted by: Lmaa | Nov 13 2025 8:18 utc | 140 Perhaps it is just time zone, but the wanker has not replied. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 13 2025 8:37 utc | 141 “Austrian police raid house of man who leaked Israeli ambassador video making genocidal comments” Posted by: WMG | Nov 13 2025 8:54 utc | 142 Posted by: Louis | Nov 13 2025 7:38 utc | 142 Posted by: Jon_in_AU | Nov 13 2025 8:57 utc | 143 “Silver climbed more than 1% to above $54 per ounce on Thursday, marching toward an all-time high reached last month and bringing this week’s gains to around 12%” Posted by: too scents | Nov 13 2025 9:01 utc | 144
Posted by: persiflo | Nov 13 2025 9:36 utc | 145 SYDNEY, Nov 13 (Reuters) – Australia’s AUKUS submarine fleet base and its vicinity are being quietly connected to three powerful new undersea internet cables planned by Alphabet’s Google (GOOGL.O), opens new tab and SUBCO, documents viewed by Reuters show.The HMAS Stirling naval base on Australia’s west coast will house four U.S.-commanded Virginia submarines from 2027, placing the U.S. Navy on the Indian Ocean’s rim as Washington and Canberra step up surveillance of Chinese submarine activity. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 13 2025 9:37 utc | 146 Think like a Bayesian! Posted by: General Factotum | Nov 12 2025 22:44 utc | 81 — That yacht sunk. Posted by: General Factotum | Nov 13 2025 9:42 utc | 147 Perhaps it is just time zone, but the wanker has not replied. Perhaps tomorrow. Posted by: General Factotum | Nov 13 2025 9:44 utc | 148 Jeremy Rhymings-Lang (65). Posted by: Republicofscotland | Nov 13 2025 10:03 utc | 149 LoveDonbass (76) Posted by: Republicofscotland | Nov 13 2025 10:10 utc | 150 Zet (95). Posted by: Republicofscotland | Nov 13 2025 10:14 utc | 151 Jon_in_AU (80). Posted by: Republicofscotland | Nov 13 2025 10:16 utc | 152
Thank you for your interesting story, General. Since your reply was directed at me, I must assume that your little lecture on one-point extrapolation is also meant for me? Well, if you want to school people on logical thinking skills I shall politely ask you to do this in other ways than a sneaky torpedo attack on my credibility out of the blue from now on. What is this, envy? Reconnaissance? I will have to put a fair warning out to the general public that there are troll submarines around here. Be assured that my depth charges are ready before lunch, or not long after. Posted by: General Factotum | Nov 13 2025 10:19 utc | 153 What the Mossad agent Epstein really thought about Trump. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Nov 13 2025 10:35 utc | 154 Northerners, who saw last nights aurora? Posted by: too scents | Nov 13 2025 10:35 utc | 155 I posted a comment on a thread – about cloud seeding to cause first flooding then drought. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Nov 13 2025 10:37 utc | 156 Mossad agent Epstein – was trying to keep tabs on his targets. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Nov 13 2025 10:39 utc | 157 AS if the French actually give a toss about International Laws – they’ve robbing Sahel nations blind for decades, and imposing their imperialist ideology/colonialism on North Africa for as long, if not longer. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Nov 13 2025 10:43 utc | 158 Who mentioned Poland becoming a Russian colony in the first place? Posted by: Republicofscotland | Nov 13 2025 10:47 utc | 159 Posted by: Republicofscotland | Nov 13 2025 10:43 utc | 162 Posted by: canuk | Nov 13 2025 12:04 utc | 160 “I don’t really think I have the ability to school people on logical thinking skills” Posted by: canuk | Nov 13 2025 12:05 utc | 161
Posted by: persiflo | Nov 13 2025 13:26 utc | 162 Data Centers Devour Electricity. Posted by: snake | Nov 13 2025 13:57 utc | 163 Japan confirms Chinese warships sailing east of … Posted by: denk | Nov 13 2025 14:27 utc | 164 Posted by: Norwegian | Nov 13 2025 7:37 utc | 132 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 13 2025 14:47 utc | 165 Posted by: General Factotum | Nov 13 2025 10:19 utc | 155 Posted by: Jon_in_AU | Nov 13 2025 14:48 utc | 166 don’t care if people believe what I believe but I do find it frustrating that people speak poorly of ideas they do not understand, as though ignorance itself is an argument. Posted by: Tannenhouser | Nov 13 2025 14:56 utc | 167 Posted by: Louis | Nov 13 2025 7:38 utc | 133 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 13 2025 14:57 utc | 168 Posted by: Tannenhouser | Nov 13 2025 14:56 utc | 169 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 13 2025 15:02 utc | 169 The Chinese fleet are passing thru a passage well within jp’s 12 nautical miles territorial water, what gives. ? Posted by: denk | Nov 13 2025 15:06 utc | 170 Posted by: Republicofscotland | Nov 13 2025 10:10 utc | 152 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 13 2025 15:08 utc | 171 By Kit Klarenberg- Nov 10, 2025 Posted by: arby | Nov 13 2025 15:16 utc | 172 Imo you don’t understand or know about religion. You believe it. That’s where the problems start. Once a belief is formed there is no wiggle room. That’s it That’s all . Religions seem absolutist, and this homey don’t play that way. One can see value in alot of things without the belief that they are. Posted by: juliania | Nov 13 2025 15:18 utc | 173 Posted by: juliania | Nov 13 2025 15:18 utc | 175 Posted by: ChatNPC | Nov 13 2025 15:25 utc | 174 Wow! just Wow! Posted by: Republicofscotland | Nov 13 2025 15:27 utc | 175 “Epstein alleges in emails that Trump knew about his conduct” was the nytimes headline above the fold on 12 November, festooned even w/ the italicized word ‘Breaking’ in an eye-catching red font. Posted by: steel_porcupine | Nov 13 2025 15:30 utc | 176 Posted by: Republicofscotland | Nov 13 2025 10:47 utc | 161 Posted by: duck n cover | Nov 13 2025 15:31 utc | 177 You literally have no idea how my mind works, nor what processes I use to reach conclusions. People who think they don’t believe in religion tend to have a very narrow and self-servicing definition religion. Infinitely better thinkers than I have remarked on this many times. Posted by: Tannenhouser | Nov 13 2025 15:35 utc | 178 EPSTEIN! EPSTEIN! EPSTEIN! gotta distract the masses from what the USG just did during the shutdown and is doing, by the state using information the state has had all along, for over a decade now at least. the people might get uppity, time to make it look like the state cares about the law except as a tool of war. plus a little reminder that the state can crucify the Mar A Lago Messiah any time it feels like, whatever charade SCOTUS and Congress are putting on. Posted by: duck n cover | Nov 13 2025 15:39 utc | 179 The right wing is still for preserving the status quo, liberalism. Progressive liberalism and conservative liberalism are both liberalism.
This is the very same narrative that put Trump into power. “Trump is an outsider, not part of the Dems or GOP swamp. He’s for conservative values, just like us. And he fights for the people! Trump! Trump! Trump!” There is no intellectual force from the right that can challenge liberal ideology because the right itself is liberal. The right is simply warmed over Manifest Destiny settler colonialism with fewer pretensions about being a force for good. I do commend you for using “the right” correctly because “the right” in politics stands for preserving the status quo by definition.
If you find yourself agreeing with right-wing leaders, you’re not a leftist. You’re just a progressive liberal with some conservative sympathies. “Woke American” is essentially another “Dan Kelly”-type liberal, proving once again that the left doesn’t exist in America.
Stop abusing terms like “Lenin’s revolutionary defeatism” as if you’ve actually read and comprehended the texts fully. The rulers of America, meaning the bourgeoisie, have zero material incentives to challenge capitalism. The alternatives proposed by the labor aristocrats dissatisfied by the government like you mainly revolves around conspiracy theories fueled by your extreme prejudice against non-White people, and they do nothing to challenge capitalism either. There’s nothing revolutionary about either America, its rulers or its people.
The populist right loves big government. They want the government to deport people, they want the government to ban “woke” ideology and abortions, they want the government to bail them out when times are tough (the farmer bailouts from Trump are a good example). Ahenobarbus, William Gruff and Roger Boyd have succeeded in creating the National Socialist American Workers’ Party on MoA. Boydian fascists are everywhere. America under the rule of 50 different “independent” flavors of NSAWP should prove interesting. As the nation that inspired the Nazis and the Zionists, I’m sure America will surpass the their descendants’ depravity in every way imaginable. Just don’t nuke the rest of us on your way out. Posted by: All Under Heaven | Nov 13 2025 15:40 utc | 180 Every time there’s a jp./sino spat, the west gloated gleefully, as if they had nothing to do with jp/sino animosity ! Posted by: denk | Nov 13 2025 15:41 utc | 181 Posted by: Republicofscotland | Nov 13 2025 15:27 utc | 177 Posted by: ChatNPC | Nov 13 2025 15:47 utc | 182 Sean Foo Posted by: John Gilberts | Nov 13 2025 15:47 utc | 183 Or am I getting that wrong ? Posted by: Tannenhouser | Nov 13 2025 15:48 utc | 184 Posted by: Tannenhouser | Nov 13 2025 14:56 utc | 169 Posted by: juliania | Nov 13 2025 15:52 utc | 185 Looks like AI slop to me. Need some corroboration for this from better sources. Posted by: arby | Nov 13 2025 15:53 utc | 186 GD: Einar Tangen Posted by: John Gilberts | Nov 13 2025 15:53 utc | 187 The Chinese are way out in front on … and substantial terraforming to date.
Continuity of Agenda. Posted by: too scents | Nov 13 2025 15:58 utc | 188
————– Posted by: denk | Nov 13 2025 16:08 utc | 189 ChatNPC (184). Posted by: Republicofscotland | Nov 13 2025 16:09 utc | 190 Almost two-and-a-half decades on, the media appears to have lost all interest in that fateful, world-changing day. This is despite the April 2023 release of a bombshell court filing by the Office of Military Commissions, which concluded at least two of the alleged hijackers were CIA assets… Posted by: malenkov | Nov 13 2025 16:13 utc | 191
————- Posted by: denk | Nov 13 2025 16:30 utc | 192 You say “despite”; I say “because of”. Posted by: arby | Nov 13 2025 16:35 utc | 193 Okay, you don’t want to believe any of this. So don’t. I enjoy giving thanks, that’s all. It seems only polite to do so. Posted by: Tannenhouser | Nov 13 2025 16:36 utc | 194 BTW, Takaichi the mamasan was Abe’s diehard protege’, ….. Posted by: denk | Nov 13 2025 16:41 utc | 195 Posted by: Republicofscotland | Nov 13 2025 16:09 utc | 192 Posted by: ChatNPC | Nov 13 2025 16:42 utc | 196 The role of Epstein as intermediary between Mossad and Russia is getting clearer Posted by: Minaa | Nov 13 2025 16:43 utc | 197 One more for the road…
Posted by: denk | Nov 13 2025 16:52 utc | 198 ChatNPC (198). Posted by: Republicofscotland | Nov 13 2025 16:52 utc | 199 perfidious albion
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