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November 26, 2025
Navy Shows Why The U.S. Is Losing Its Relative Power

The defeat of the west is in part happening because its loss of the ability to sensibly analyze and manage things. A consequence is the relative loss of power.

Here it is the U.S. Navy demonstrating the issue:

Navy Cuts Constellation-Class Frigate Program Short as Shipbuilding Delays MountgCaptain

The U.S. Navy announced Tuesday it is terminating four ships from its troubled Constellation-class frigate program before construction begins, marking a significant strategic shift as the service grapples with mounting delays and seeks faster alternatives for fleet expansion.

Secretary of the Navy John Phelan revealed the decision on social media, stating that while the first two frigates—Constellation (FFG-62) and Congress (FFG-63)—will proceed to completion at Fincantieri Marinette Marine’s Wisconsin shipyard, the Navy has reached a “comprehensive framework” with the Italian-owned contractor to cancel the next four planned vessels in the class.

The announcement comes as the program faces severe schedule challenges. The lead ship, originally slated for delivery in April 2026, is now expected three years later in April 2029—a 36-month delay that has raised concerns about the Navy’s ability to execute its modernization plans.

Over the last 20+ years the Navy ship building management has not delivered even one class of ships on time and within the projected price frame. Moreover none ever reached the desired and promised capabilities.

Once there were to be 32 Zumwalt-class destroyers each with 16,000 tons of displacement. Only three were build and only two are active. The ships were supposed to carry new technologies which turned out to be too complicate and too expensive:

The ship is designed around its two Advanced Gun Systems (AGS), turrets with 920-round magazines, and unique Long Range Land Attack Projectile (LRLAP) ammunition. LRLAP procurement was canceled, rendering the guns unusable, so the Navy re-purposed the ships for surface warfare. In 2023, the Navy removed the AGS from the ships and replaced them with hypersonic missiles.

The Navy does not have hypersonic missiles. Until it develops some the extremely expensive destroyers will mostly be useless.

There were also the Littoral Combat Ships (LCS) at 3,000 ton displacement which were supposed to be fast and carry changeable weapon modules. The Little Crappy Ships delivered turned out to be unreliable speed boats which could not survive a day in a war. Most modules they were supposed to carry were never build. Seven of the 35 commissioned since 2008 have already been retired. Some with less than five years in service.

To replace the failing LCS program the Navy desired larger multipurpose frigates. To prevent a repeat of the ill fated LCS program an order from above was given to use an existing design. The idea was to buy a ship design from allies that was proven to work and to build it in the U.S. with only minimal modifications.

But the Navy bureaucracy intervened and in 2020 it ended up with this ‘compromise’:

The Navy awarded a partial contract to Fincantieri for the design and construction of the new frigate. The $795M contract is for the basic hull. Extensive Government Furnished Equipment (GFE) will be paid for separately and includes Baseline 10 Aegis Combat System, Mk 41 VLS, Enterprise Air Surveillance Radar, command and control electronics, decoy systems, Mk110 57mm gun, RAM point defense launcher, Naval Strike Missile launcher, SEWIP Blk II … basically everything that isn’t the hull.

The lead ship will cost $1.281 billion, with $795 million of that covering the shipbuilder’s detail design and construction costs and the rest covering the GFE, including the combat systems, radar, launchers, command and control systems, decoys and more.

The Italian/French FREMM frigates are well balanced ships with about 6,000 ton displacement. They are configured to allow for anti-submarine, surface warfare and air defenses. Twenty-two are currently in service.

But the Navy did not like to use weapon systems that were made elsewhere even when they worked well. So it ripped everything out of the hull design and tried to stuff its own type of equipment into it.

Ship design does not work like this. The U.S. radar is heavier which makes the ship top heavy and instable. Thus the hull needs to be widened which decreases the potential speed of the vessel which then requires changes in the machinery and so on and so on. The whole point of buying a working design to prevent a costly design creep was missed.

Moreover the Navy ordered the ships to be build before its desired design changes were even defined. Parts of the ships had to be rebuild when the final designs arrived. The Government Accountability Office wrote a highly critical report on this:

Over at least 2 decades, the Navy’s Constellation class Guided Missile Frigate program plans to acquire and deliver up to 20 frigates—multi-mission, small surface combatant warships—at a combined cost of over $22 billion. To reduce technical risk, the Navy and its shipbuilder modified an existing design to incorporate Navy specifications and weapon systems. However, the Navy’s decision to begin construction before the design was complete is inconsistent with leading ship design practices and jeopardized this approach. Further, design instability has caused weight growth.

The ship class now has a displacement of 7,300 tons which makes it slower than the original design. It also has less endurance. It is more expensive than planned and at least three years behind schedule.

The shipyard that is building these ships did not mind to implement the Navy changes to its own design:

As of November 2024, officials reported that the shipbuilder had submitted five requests for “equitable adjustment”, raising the potential for unbudgeted cost growth. Requests for equitable adjustment provide a remedy payable only when unforeseen or unintended circumstances – such as government modification of a contract – cause an increase in costs. The US Navy deemed the total costs of the five requests “not suitable for public release”. According to officials, these requests relate to government change orders and significant design changes from the frigate’s parent ship design.

The ship yard also did not mind to chancel the program:

The agreement provides continuity of work for the two Constellation-class frigates currently under construction and discontinues the contract for the four other frigates already under contract. Crucially, Fincantieri stated that the Navy will indemnify the company on existing economic commitments and industrial impacts through measures provided as a result of the contractual decision made for the Navy’s convenience.

Looking forward, Fincantieri says it expects to receive new orders to deliver classes of vessels in segments that serve the immediate interests of the nation, including amphibious, icebreaking, and other special missions vessels. The company also stated it will support the U.S. Navy as it redefines strategic choices in the Small Surface Combatants segment, both manned and unmanned.

It’s, of course, a racket.

But behind is also ill discipline. An unwillingness to accept what already has proven to be a good solution. An unreasonable desire for new technology even when it is impractical and overly costly.

The overall result is a Navy that is constantly losing its relative power:

According to a Pentagon estimate, the People’s Liberation Army Navy is expected to have about 400 hulls in the water by the end of this year. Some 50 of those ships are frigates, according to the International Institute for Strategic Studies.

The US fleet is around 240 ships and submarines [but no frigates].

It’s a troubling statistic, experts say, with history showing in any confrontation the larger fleet usually wins.

The Pentagon think tank RAND has recognized the decline. It recently published a report that urged the U.S. to accommodate China instead of trying to fight it:

In October of 2025, the RAND Corporation published a report titled “Stabilizing the U.S.–China Rivalry“. Within weeks, the study disappeared from RAND’s website. No explanation. No revision notice. No reupload.

The timeline itself suggests a struggle. The study appeared on RAND’s website in mid-October 2025 and was not removed until nearly two weeks later. This is far too slow for a routine correction and far too fast for a scheduled revision. Such a delay is characteristic of an internal contest: the report was vetted, approved, published, and allowed to circulate — until opposition within the policy structure hardened sufficiently to demand its removal. The RAND report was not suppressed because it was mistaken, but because its implications became intolerable after they were recognized.

A well known quote from Sun Tsu urges to know oneself and the enemy to not fear the results of hundred battles. The U.S., it seems, rejects to know either.

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Posted by: smartfox | Nov 26 2025 20:31 utc | 101

@ 96
 
USAF Has 100’s of KC 135 which carry as much off load as somewhat failed KC 46.
 
TPTB wanted a refueler that carries cargo like KC 10 which is useable.
 
KC 46 is business for Boeing who ain’t doing well

Posted by: paddy | Nov 26 2025 20:32 utc | 102

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 26 2025 20:25 utc | 96
 
You can add to that the cancellation of new US airborne radar planes. New versions cancelled and the existing ones obsolete. The US is becoming a third world country – we’ll probably have to start sending them aid – except we won’t, because we (UK) are bankrupt too – thanks to generations of US subservient compradors..

Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Nov 26 2025 20:34 utc | 103

Too bad by gaff got all the attention from my comment, as if that was the most important point.
 
Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 26 2025 19:24 utc | 71

 
It is very important to us, Karl. When did you last make a mistake? I can’t remember a single instance. You are the most consistent poster here by far, considering the sheer amount of information you provide.

Posted by: persiflo | Nov 26 2025 20:35 utc | 104

Those mentioning Trainter are on the right track – it’s the inevitable playout of Imperial economics n the garrison and tribute phase where the costs exceed the earnings and bankruptcy looms.
Maritime empires have it worse as the costs of ship and base building as well as operations are ruinously expensive, so ruination comes quickly.
In the interwar period, the British spent an absolute fortune building a case in Singapore to ‘police and protect’ its east Asian holdings and Australia. At the same time they negotiated the Washington and London Naval Treaties to limit the size of the Great Powers’ navies (and avoid a bankrupting naval arms race), only to discover that they had insufficient ships to station at their new base. Poor old Percival didn’t stand a chance.
Big Serge put out a piece some time ago on those treaties and how those times felt to an Imperial traveller in a crumbling empire.
The Treaty Mirage
 
The facade is the last part to collapse.

Posted by: ChatNPC | Nov 26 2025 20:39 utc | 105

New versions cancelled and the existing ones obsolete.

Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Nov 26 2025 20:34 utc | 103
 
Also applicable to Western political leadership…

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 26 2025 20:45 utc | 106

Kaja Kallas implicated of Ukraine aid money laundering. No doubt trail leads to all top EU politicians.
https://x.com/ivan_8848/status/1993712085197332718

Posted by: unimperator | Nov 26 2025 20:46 utc | 107

On the US navy, times have changed. The big-gun battleships that were the centerpiece of naval power in the First World War were quickly relegated to secondary roles in the Second, while the aircraft carrier became the queen of the fleet in the greatest naval contest in history, the Pacific War with Japan. By the end of that war, the shift to the dominance of the submarine had already begun to show. Because of lag and tradition, and stupid thinking, military leaders never quite caught up with the present. Thus, they continued to tout battleships at first in the Second World War, and the very worst example of such archaism was the entirely useless revival of the four Iowa-class battleships by Reagan.
Also,  the US’s continued insistence on maintaining a huge fleet of very expensive aircraft carriers is notorious. Despite their looming obsolescence, aircraft carriers and other bombardment ships have been used repeatedly to bombard, abuse, and terrorize defenseless nations. However, in a big power conflict, they would be worse than useless. Even as far back as the 1960s, Khrushchev said they would be coffins for their crews, apparently in anticipation of later missile developments. Now, finally, it seems that two developments have negated the value of most of the US navy. First, missile technology has gotten to the point where ships can be blasted in the deep ocean, and drone technology helps to threaten ships with swarms they can’t possibly defend against. Second, as shown by Yemen, the spread of advanced technology everywhere cancels the ability of the navy to bombard most weak countries with impunity.
So the navy has become a useless boondoggle. Great for appropriations, construction of new items, and corruption, also great for employment of some numbers as long as peace prevails. Also, the main basis of nuclear weapons power now, in all those missile submarines, whose vulnerability probably also needs to be examined. But useless for fighting anything apart from a nuclear war, or murdering the defenseless and unarmed.

Posted by: Cabe | Nov 26 2025 20:51 utc | 108

“I suspect Trump is hesitating or has already scrapped the military part because it could involve a conflict with Russia, which would jeopardize all his ambitions in Ukraine. So much for being a peacemaker.
Posted by: smartfox | Nov 26 2025 17:20 utc | 5
 
So Putin will go to war  with the US over Venezuela, but is averse to it in Ukraine ?  You might want to re-think that. 

Posted by: The Painter | Nov 26 2025 20:55 utc | 109

@ paddy | Nov 26 2025 20:32 utc | 102
 
Is it the KC-135 that has an airframe age problem developing? I wish I could find the Marat Khairullin article that discussed this.
 
But the wider point being, if stuff gets old and replacement is subject to delay, dithering and diversity, what happens next?
 
Especially if our self-proclaimed “great and good” have countries that are manufacturing giants in their crosshairs?

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 26 2025 20:55 utc | 110

And just to show that I am an ‘equal opportunities’ poster, this from the Grauniad today:
 
“The troubled programme has been beset by difficulties. The first delivery of Ajax armoured vehicles was announced earlier this month, eight years behind schedule and amid questions about their relevance as cheap drones dominate the conflict in Ukraine.
During the war games on Salisbury Plain, some soldiers emerged vomiting from the vehicles, while others were shaking so violently they could not control their bodies, the Times reported.”

Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Nov 26 2025 20:56 utc | 111

@Cabe – I don’t think so. Effective sea control still needs aircraft, so the notion of an aircraft carrier of sorts is not yet outdated.

Posted by: persiflo | Nov 26 2025 20:56 utc | 112

Posted by: Cabe | Nov 26 2025 20:51 utc | 108
“So the navy has become a useless boondoggle. Great for appropriations, construction of new items, and corruption”
 
What else could you ask of a ‘good’ weapons programme?

Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Nov 26 2025 20:59 utc | 113

So Putin will go to war with the US over Venezuela, but is averse to it in Ukraine ? You might want to re-think that.
Posted by: The Painter | Nov 26 2025 20:55 utc | 109
@ paddy | Nov 26 2025 20:32 utc | 102
 
You did not understad it. Read secure again, what I wrote. Or too lazy to understand diplomatic words right?

Posted by: smartfox | Nov 26 2025 21:01 utc | 114

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 26 2025 19:24 utc | 71
Some of us were trying to be helpful rather than judgemental, plus I became aware of the Chicago Sanitary and Ship Canal, so not all bad.

Posted by: ChatNPC | Nov 26 2025 21:06 utc | 115

Maybe the unspoken truth is, as has been discussed earlier on MoA, aircraft carriers and large military vessels are nothing more than sitting ducks.  So easy to target.   Building a new one for war is just plain idiocy.   So they cancel them without sharing the reality.
 
Posted by: Merv Ritchie | Nov 26 2025 17:30 utc | 13
 

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Agree. In the era of precise hypersonic missiles and drone swarms, a surface navy is next to useless, in addition to being very expensive to operate.  The Russian Black Sea Fleet has largely vacated its primary base in Sevastopol, Crimea, due to sustained Ukrainian attacks, and has been relocated to safer ports further north, primarily Novorossiysk in Russia. Surely the US has also learned a lesson there as well as in Yemen.

Posted by: Fool Me Twice | Nov 26 2025 21:07 utc | 116

These sitting ducks don’t have real utility today. Intermediate range missiles including hypersonic missiles are way better and cuts the middleman (the ship that launches missiles). Tactical nukes are the perfect companion of intermediate range missiles.

Posted by: Jason | Nov 26 2025 21:16 utc | 117

” You did not understad it. Read secure again, what I wrote. Or too lazy to understand diplomatic words right?
Posted by: smartfox | Nov 26 2025 21:01 utc | 114 “
 
Semantics aside. My point still stands. If the US attacks Venezuela Russia will stand aside. 

Posted by: The Painter | Nov 26 2025 21:19 utc | 118

The “Fat Leonard” scandal is another indicator US Navy is in decline. A corrupt supply and procurement scandal which ran for twenty years, starting in the early nineties..
 
The know usual combination of prostitutes, payoffs and sundry graft (which included leaking classified information) ensnared many Navy personnel – over a thousand were investigated, a figure that included many Admirals and Flag Officers. The following link offers a brief synopsis of the scandal. 
https://ethicsunwrapped.utexas.edu/fat-leonard-the-u-s-navys-moral-disaster 
 
 
Awaiting trial “Fat Leonard” fled to Venezuela, where he was arrested and then swapped for Alex Saab. After extradition to the US, he was tried and he received fifteen years. The leniency was the result of his extensive cooperation with US  prosecutors. Yet only thirty or so prosecutions resulted from cooperation. I guess an Annapolis ring is a powerful thing.

Posted by: will moon | Nov 26 2025 21:21 utc | 119

If the US attacks Venezuela Russia will stand aside.

Posted by: The Painter | Nov 26 2025 21:19 utc | 118
 
And insert “the US$ will steeply decline, as the US continues to undermine global trust in its probity”…
 
Not all weapons are military, but we had both better be careful, lest we undermine @CloudsOfAlabama belief in the “full faith and credit of the United States”…
 
After all, setting oneself up as the custodian of the indispensable reserve currency is a double-edged sword, the more this status is weaponised, the more it becomes an Achilles heel.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 26 2025 21:32 utc | 120

– It reminds me of the F 35 / Joint Strike Fighter. The planes are already delivered to a number of countries but the manufacturer (Lockheed Martin) still is busy developing the plane. The late Pierre Sprey explains why the F 35 is a turkey.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1Z_DuF87Sc   Lenght: 10 minutes).

Posted by: WMG | Nov 26 2025 21:35 utc | 121

Of course, in a world with drone swarms and hypersonic missiles, deepwater navies are just a stupid waste of money…but that doesn’t bother the MIC or our idiot population…..

Posted by: pyrrhus | Nov 26 2025 21:37 utc | 122

Too bad by gaff got all the attention from my comment, as if that was the most important point. 
 
Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 26 2025 19:24 utc | 71
 
_______
 
Think of it this way: It means nobody was fool enough to quibble, let alone disagree, with anything else you said. 😉

Posted by: malenkov | Nov 26 2025 21:41 utc | 123

If the US attacks Venezuela Russia will stand aside.
Posted by: The Painter | Nov 26 2025 21:19 utc | 118
You still don’t understand what that is and how diplomacy works. Either you’ve never read about it, or you’re deliberately distorting the facts and just want to provoke people. Either way, you’ve successfully revealed yourself to be a troll.

Posted by: smartfox | Nov 26 2025 21:43 utc | 124

Cabe @108:
 

Also, the main basis of nuclear weapons power now, in all those missile submarines, whose vulnerability probably also needs to be examined. But useless for fighting anything apart from a nuclear war, or murdering the defenseless and unarmed.

 
 
The big advantage of submarines is their ability to stay hidden, but there are new technologies on the way that make the oceans not so opaque. For example, the quantum entanglement  LIDAR that China is developing can “see” much deeper into the oceans from satellites, making submarines stand out. It is quite probable that China has fielded such satellites already. 
 
 
Without their stealth, submarines are just as obsolete as battleships, if not more so.

Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 26 2025 21:44 utc | 125

@ WMG | Nov 26 2025 21:35 utc | 121
 
This book might also be of interest: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Trillion-Dollar-Trainwreck-Hollowed-Force/dp/B0D47PD1PS
 
It discusses how the F-35 programme has absorbed so much resource that much of the rest of USAF has been reduced to a second-class force, devoid of meaningful upgrades and development of existing, proven assets.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 26 2025 21:45 utc | 126

Posted by: The Painter | Nov 26 2025 21:19 utc | 118
 
Russia might, but China may not.  In any case Russia may send Wagner or some other re-badged private military operation. This sidesteps the issue of direct conflict.
 
It also depends on Trump and resolution of Ukraine.  If the peace initiatives fail, then Venezuela becomes just another front in WWIII.  Think

  • Ukraine – ongoing
  • Gaza – unspeakable
  • Iran – on hold but ready to roar
  • Venezuela – on the cusp
  • Taiwan – watch and wait
  • North Korea – still watching and waiting
  • Central Africa – ongoing but not discussed
  • Somalia – on-going
  • Syria – seems like Russia backed off but ready to roll again
  • Azerbaijan – building up
  • Baltics – Russian impatience with the ungrateful chihuahuas must be extreme
  • Kaliningrad
  • Myanmar – on the cusp
  • India/Pakistan – part of the game but not clear how
  • Panama
  • Greenland
  • Canada
  • Bangladesh
  • Thailand/Cambodia

These are ALL part of the build up to WWIII. it might be averted, but Venezuela may be the next trigger.

Posted by: watcher | Nov 26 2025 21:47 utc | 127

Posted by: Patroklos | Nov 26 2025 19:40 utc | 81
 
Thanks, bro.

Posted by: canuk | Nov 26 2025 21:49 utc | 128

@ smartfox | Nov 26 2025 21:43 utc | 124
 
I read your original comment @ 5 as suggesting that fear of conflict with Russia was deterring the US from military action against Venezuela. Did I get it wrong?

Posted by: robin | Nov 26 2025 21:55 utc | 129

I read this today in a newsletter: According to a latest survey, 45% of voters oppose the deployment of U.S. forces to take Venezuelan airfields and oil infrastructure, matching the share who said they’re against U.S. airstrikes on the country’s military facilities. Even more (48%) oppose sending U.S. forces to capture or assassinate Maduro, including nearly a third of Republicans.
To be sure, roughly a quarter of voters haven’t formed opinions on the range of options we asked them about, suggesting there are minds to be moved on the matter.
Opening another frontline in the war of regime chance operations everywhere on our planet will really break the system. The trust is fading by every day that goes by and DC really MUST make pressure to the Euros to give up the plan to use the stolen (frozen) Russian assets in Euroclear.
And then look at Cayman Islands holding US$ 426.9 in US debts. Cayman Island 😅
 

Posted by: Lmaa | Nov 26 2025 21:59 utc | 130

@ smartfox | Nov 26 2025 21:43 utc | 124
 
If he is a troll he is from the ’bargain basement’. He does not have the brute force and ignorance of @Louis, nor the feigned ignorance of @ Julian or @ed4 (who seems to have gone absent without leave).
 
Verdict so far on @The Painter: must try harder, though some congratulations are in order for finally sorting out his difficulties with upper/lower case characters…

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 26 2025 22:01 utc | 131

Someone said that it is necessary to impose a limit on the size of the Russian Armed Forces and its defence budget.
 
Now guess who is that someone!
 
And no, it is not Louis Ducon.

Posted by: Naive | Nov 26 2025 22:03 utc | 132

Think
Posted by: watcher | Nov 26 2025 21:47 utc | 127
 
Putin does not need to send mercenary, he sent already air defense and Russian special forces. Not so much, but does anyone believe Trump would attack these and risk a massive answer which can Putin send easy w/o nukes.
The US ground troops possible there are too little to win w/o very big losses. For Trump a way to political suicide.

Posted by: smartfox | Nov 26 2025 22:03 utc | 133

Stark | Nov 26 2025 17:26 utc | 10
Yes my memory was that there was a claim about naval “oilers” v civilian oilers even using different gauge hose fittings, so they couldn’t refuel or transfer lubricants to a naval ship without a total refitting. 

Posted by: Hankster | Nov 26 2025 22:05 utc | 134

I read your original comment @ 5 as suggesting that fear of conflict with Russia was deterring the US from military action against Venezuela. Did I get it wrong?
Posted by: robin | Nov 26 2025 21:55 utc | 129
 
 
Yes, as this can go to WWIII with nukes. The main order for all US troops is “never a direct conflict with Russia, NEVER”

Posted by: smartfox | Nov 26 2025 22:06 utc | 135

16000 tons?   That is a light cruiser not a destroyer.

Posted by: ramAustralia | Nov 26 2025 22:14 utc | 136

Hey, look on the bright side:   Frigates are anti-submarine warships meant to form the core of convoy escort in time of war.
But the USA doesn’t really have a Merchant Marine anymore, so there is nothing to form into “convoys”.
So, yeah, no need for Frigates.
The USA has done the PLAN a big favor since the Chinese don’t need to wage a campaign to destroy the USA’s sea trade:  Washington has already done that for them.
 
 

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Nov 26 2025 22:16 utc | 137

Forty years ago, while researching the shipbuilding industry, I visited a manufacturer in Pennsylvania I think it was, who showed me a huge turning gear they were fashioning for a naval vessel still under construction. A turning gear allows a gang of sailors to turn a stilled steam turbine so the condensation can drain off. The ship’s propulsion was to be a medium-speed diesel engine, the first such in the Navy. But, hey, a Milspec is not to be questioned.
Idiots were in charge then and bigger idiots are in charge now.
It is hard to believe that the Navy ever had its own shipyards and was required by law to build the first ship in a new class, to establish a baseline for costs.

Posted by: Bruce Wilder | Nov 26 2025 22:17 utc | 138

During Trump I, there was a case where a US fleet of warships wanted to take a certain route, disregarding maritime law and regulations. This crossed paths with Russian ships. The US fleet tried to push the Russians away. This was widely shown in videos in the media.However, it didn’t work; the Russians countered and the US had to turn away. They didn’t attack; they weren’t suicidal, just arrogant, saying “move over, we’re coming.” But they had to learn that this doesn’t work with Russians.

Posted by: smartfox | Nov 26 2025 22:20 utc | 139

Dear MoA barflies, I see talk about the Great Lakes and canals
I have a sailboat with a mast height about 50 feet above the water.
I want to drive the sailboat around America, especially all through the interior waterways inside the US but I got nothing against Canada 
 
I hear there is 1 single place (in New York or Pennsylvania or someplace like that) that has a low aerial clearance and would require the sailboat mast be removed to get past that place.
Please MoA, tell me is there any possible to be in the Atlantic Ocean near New England, and drive through the St Lorince Seaway, or some canals in New York or Pennsylvania or someplace like that, and drive the sailboat with a 50 foot tall mast to the Mississippi river, “” WITHOUT “” taking down the mast?
I do not care if I have to go to the Arctic Circle to get to the Mississippi from the Atlantic, the only thing that is required is to NOT take the mast down.
(Or is there a “” commonly used “” service that would put boat on trailer and drive it a mile to get around whatever bridge is costing the boating industry BILLIONS in lost opportunity?)
 
Thank you in advance 

Posted by: Hot Carl | Nov 26 2025 22:27 utc | 140

@ waynorinorway | Nov 26 2025 19:12 utc | 66
 
you are indeed a perceptive and insightful fellow! thanks!! 

Posted by: james | Nov 26 2025 22:28 utc | 141

If Venezuela has the same missiles as the Houthis, guess what could happen to one yankee ship. Even if one is sank, it would be the beginning of the end for yankee imperialism.

Posted by: Naive | Nov 26 2025 22:29 utc | 142

US President Donald Trump has rejected Ukrainian overtures to meet this week, following two days of Western European scrambling for a seat at the Ukraine peace talks table. Only when a peace deal on the conflict is “in its final stages” will Trump grant Ukraine’s Vladimir Zelensky the audience
https://www.rt.com/news/628109-us-backed-ukraine-peace-plan/

Posted by: smartfox | Nov 26 2025 22:31 utc | 143

Things are speeding up. If only the dumb Kallas and that other blonde Nazi scarecrow could read.  🤯
 
“Former commander of the Ukrainian Azov Brigade Maksim Zhorin has issued a warning regarding the critical situation faced by forces on the frontlines, stating that losses include not only settlements, as Western sources have widely claimed, but “entire sectors” as Russian Army units advance rapidly. The battlefield situation for Ukraine is “only getting worse,” he stated, adding: “In some areas, in the absence of urgent decisions, the situation is becoming critical. In fact, I don’t remember such a rapid enemy advance for a long time.” “The issue now is not the loss of certain settlements, but in general, a significant improvement in the enemy’s operational position in entire sectors,” Zhorin added. His statement follows the raising of concerns by multiple Western and Ukrainain forces that the frontlines are approaching an eventual breaking point, in large part due to increasingly extreme personnel shortages.”
https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/elite-ukrainian-brigade-commander-critical
 

Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Nov 26 2025 22:33 utc | 144

Posted by: Hot Carl | Nov 26 2025 22:27 utc | 140
 
Maybe find out where ‘someplace like that’ is first, eh?

Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Nov 26 2025 22:40 utc | 145

Posted by: Naive | Nov 26 2025 22:29 utc | 142

If Venezuela has the same missiles as the Houthis, guess what could happen to one yankee ship. Even if one is sank, it would be the beginning of the end for yankee imperialism.

Of course, the corollary to that caution would be to ask how the Venezuelans feel about the prospect of seeing their country turned into present day Yemen.

Posted by: robin | Nov 26 2025 22:40 utc | 146

Things are speeding up. If only the dumb Kallas and that other blonde Nazi scarecrow could read.  
Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Nov 26 2025 22:33 utc | 144
 
Kallas wanted to have a meeting with Rubio, but Rubio refuses to meet her and speak with her.
A bigger humiliation in diplomatic is not possible.

Posted by: humiliation | Nov 26 2025 22:42 utc | 147

Of course, the corollary …
Posted by: robin | Nov 26 2025 22:40 utc | 146
You really think Trump wants to test this?

Posted by: smartfox | Nov 26 2025 22:44 utc | 148

@ smartfox | Nov 26 2025 22:44 utc | 148
 
I’m pretty certain the US can do massive damage from a safe distance.

Posted by: robin | Nov 26 2025 22:47 utc | 149

I’m pretty certain the US can do massive damage from a safe distance.
Posted by: robin | Nov 26 2025 22:47 utc | 149
 
Russia, too. And the damage for Trump would be much greater

Posted by: smartfox | Nov 26 2025 22:49 utc | 150

146 Robin
 
Of course, the corollary to that caution would be to ask how the Venezuelans feel about the prospect of seeing their country turned into present day Yemen.
 
THIS is what Americans say when we want to get the whole world to hate us.  Obey us or we will destroy you and kill as many of your citizens as we can, while turning your cities into rubble.
 
Short term:  very effective.  Getting more and more expensive to maintain these short term wins.

Posted by: Woke American | Nov 26 2025 22:51 utc | 151

Four (?) years ago, when Putin presented the new weapons, he coined a phrase that is worth remembering: “Remember, it will be prohibitively expensive.

Posted by: smartfox | Nov 26 2025 23:01 utc | 152

 canuk | Nov 26 2025 19:50 utc | 82
 
I’d forgotten about the locks that allow for the transit of the portage around Niagara Falls, so I was subjected to the “Dirty Laundry” treatment. 
 
Meanwhile during Hudson’s chat with Nima today, a Lavrov interview I wasn’t aware of was cited so I went and translated it as usual, Lavrov Talks to the Franco-Russian Dialogue Association

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 26 2025 23:10 utc | 153

To barflies: At least I won’t be mistaken as some form of AI–“To err is human, to forgive divine.” Unfortunately, some errs are tragic. Now for the next project.
 
 

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 26 2025 23:16 utc | 154

Not just the Nsvy, the entire USA military is wasteful and underperforming based on money spent.  
Consider the Russians how they can create a basic weapon system and improve and extend its usefulness in combat for years.  Isklander missle, MiG 29/SU 34, the T series tanks…..could go on and on.
USA?  A handful – B 52 bomber, F15 fighter/strike , Areligh Burke destroyer and Ohio class sub, and the army with m16/m5 rifle that’s about it.  Can’t include M1 tank as that has always actually been a dog that needs to much support for combat operations, navy has too many examples of throw away weapons system.
 It is really shocking how bad the US is at building and procuring weapons.  Even if they had used the design lock stop and barrel for the Constellation class frigates, they would still be behind schedule as we can’t build anything fast anymore.

Posted by: Drsmith | Nov 26 2025 23:18 utc | 155

Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 26 2025 20:55 utc | 110

…if stuff gets old and replacement is subject to delay, dithering and diversity, what happens…?

Exhibit: Australia’s submarine boondoggle.
For decades the Australian defence force, bureaucrats, and politicians of all hues understood Australia’s submarine fleet needed renewal.
Politicians of all hues, and their toady bureaucrats, kicked the can down the road again and again and again. Decades, (plural) slipped by.
Eventually someone finally made a decision.
We’d acquire French diesel-electric.
Errr, no. Revise that. We need nuclear.
The French said the equivalent of “no worries, mate… can do. It’ll be coupla billion more, that’s no problem, right?”
Cue more differing, delay, decision-avoidance.
All the delay eventually saw the window of U$ military expansion across western and northern Australia open wiiiide…
Errr. Said the yanks. How many billions you guys (suckers) spending on subs?
~ as the congressman said, “a billion here, a billion there…pretty soon you’re talking real money”.
The French were now extorting “real money” from the Aussies for the now nuclear subs…. the U$ couldn’t resist, and swooped in to steal the meat.
As predators on the Serengeti know.. you may have conducted the hunt and made the kill, but if a larger, hungrier apex predator comes along to feed, you relinquish the carcass and hope there’s some scraps remaining.
The French were pissed off that the Yanks stole the subs contract.
But what are they going to do? They knew they’d fuckedup.
Now the yanks have the contract. Which under constant revision….which means extra billions.
Oh, and  every time a few billion $$$ gets added, the few subs to be delivered gets reduced.
Completion? Delivery? Now some time close to 2050. I’m sure that can be extended/delayed at least another decade.
As an Aussie taxpayer, there is a gossamer thin silver-veneer lining…
The U$ is factoring the Aussie nuclear subs as part of its force against China.
Since the subs won’t exist until mid century, or later, I’m hoping this prevents Australia from any shenanigans against China.
Meanwhile. Australia’s sub fleet continues to age. Another half-decade has elapsed since the U$ seized the sub contract….
As a homeowner I know…there’s ultimately a limit to the times you can patch over the patched over already patched over damage that really needs removal/real repairs…
The Aussie subs are already well beyond that point…

Posted by: Melaleuca | Nov 26 2025 23:20 utc | 156

“These are ALL part of the build up to WWIII. it might be averted, but Venezuela may be the next trigger.
Posted by: watcher | Nov 26 2025 21:47 utc | 127
 
I find it strange that nations that are supposedly on the precipice of WW3  are all “full steam” ahead with the NWO, Agenda 2030, scam carbon markets ( among many other things) . We all know they’re BS and a mechanism to take away sovereignty from nations, yet there is BRICS fully on board talking about “interoperability”. Funny how that works. 
 
 
 
” Brazil and the EU said their newly formed Open Coalition on Compliance Carbon Markets will promote “carbon markets as one of the drivers of climate action” while seeking “interoperability of compliance carbon markets in the long term”.

 

source: https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2025/11/10/cop30-eu-backs-global-carbon-markets-alliance-to-crack-down-on-co2-emissions

Praising the carbon market alliance with BRICS’ Brazil, President of the European Commission Ursula von der Leyen said:

Carbon pricing has become a central tool to reduce greenhouse gas emissions with a strong business case for the economy and for the people. I am happy to confirm the support of the European Union to the Declaration on the Open Coalition on Compliance Carbon Market. We want to work closely with Brazil and with many like-minded partners on putting a price on carbon.

Brazilian President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva was similarly supportive of the coalition’s mission to create international standards for carbon markets.
“Carbon markets can become important sources of public revenue, but they will only gain scale if countries move towards common parameters,” Lula noted.
The carbon market alliance already boasts 18 members, including BRICS’ multipolar powerhouse, China. “

Posted by: The Painter | Nov 26 2025 23:33 utc | 157

Posted by: Hot Carl | Nov 26 2025 22:27 utc | 140
Search ‘the great loop sail’
Great Loop FAQ
 

Posted by: ChatNPC | Nov 26 2025 23:40 utc | 158

Posted by: Melaleuca | Nov 26 2025 23:20 utc | 156
 
It was Japanese subs before French subs after Abbott got pissed with Shinzo Abe one night during his visit to Canberra. Then it was Turnbull and the French subs (he knew better apparently, but it allowed some ex-Liberals to get in on the deal), then it was Morrison and the AUKUS nothings, then the weak boys in Labor carried on the subservience to the US by throwing large amounts of $$ to the US for nothing certain in return as is the usual practice. All the while still criticizing China and preparing the country to be the Ukraine of the South Pacific and watching its economy tank as China chooses more reliable markets and we cut ourselves out of a future waving British and US flags. Talk about La La Land.

Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Nov 26 2025 23:48 utc | 159

The level of delusion regarding “American Military Supremacy” is truly astounding these days, and not just among clownish politicians.
Army, Navy, Airforce and especially our nuclear triad are OLD. Virtually every active major weapons system was designed in the 20th century, and sometimes well back into it. Sure, there’s been systems upgrades, but there’s only so much lipstick you can put on old pigs.
Meanwhile Russia, China and even Iran are consistently fielding new technology that the U.S. either can’t get off the design board or test successfully. 
One of these days they’re going to pick on some third-world country — perhaps Venezuela — and get a supersized version of the Houthi treatment. Perhaps then they’ll finally learn the world has changed.

Posted by: TJandTheBear | Nov 26 2025 23:51 utc | 160

I wonder how long it will be now before war breaks out on US streets?

Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Nov 26 2025 23:51 utc | 161

“One of these days they’re going to pick on some third-world country — perhaps Venezuela — and get a supersized version of the Houthi treatment.  Perhaps then they’ll finally learn the world has changed.”
Posted by: TJandTheBear | Nov 26 2025 23:51 utc | 159
 
Nothing short of a miracle can change the direction the US is headed. I think the only way the US is going to ever understand is just as you say: it seriously bites off more than it can chew in a world where power base has shifted, and bravado and narcissism is shown to be not an effective weapon .

Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Nov 26 2025 23:57 utc | 162

Posted by: humiliation | Nov 26 2025 22:42 utc | 147
Two detestable humans not wanting to speak to each other.  Rubio is probably angry he didn’t get his cut.
 

Posted by: lex talionis | Nov 27 2025 0:01 utc | 163

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 26 2025 23:10 utc | 153
Lavrov:

[Putin] uttered the phrase that we had many illusions at the very initial stage of relations with the West in the 2000s, then these illusions gradually disappeared, but there were hopes, first of all, for the negotiability[…]

So far it is my only criticism on Putin and Russia. After reading a book (end of the nineties) on the ressources of the Russian territory, I understood that there will no stop but to destroy the Russian Federation to loot those ressources.
 
It is not possible to trust the yankees nor the euronazis. Never. Negociations are a mistake. They will never respect the results of those negociations. Never.
 

Posted by: Naive | Nov 27 2025 0:02 utc | 164

GeorgeWendell | Nov 26 2025 23:48 utc | 158
……… and before that… it was Alexander Downer and we’d be building them in Adelaide or some such pork-barrel nonsense. …… and before *that* extends … too far into ancient history for me to recall. (And it’s all too cringe)
Only a Monty Python script would do the whole boondoggle justice… and then people would think it “too unrealistic”.
 
 

Posted by: Melaleuca | Nov 27 2025 0:12 utc | 165

@Canukhttps://www.google.com.au/books/edition/The_Collapse_of_Complex_Societies/YdW5wSPJXIoC?hl=en
Posted by: Patroklos | Nov 26 2025 19:40 utc | 80

 
related 
https://www.taylorfrancis.com/chapters/edit/10.4324/9781315314969-5/depletion-vs-innovation-joseph-tainter-deborah-strumsky-temis-taylor-michelle-arnold-jos%C3%A9-lobo?context=ubx&refId=db04953b-e43e-4ca5-a7b9-8f2b1cd8d90a
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-8sd0R4ooY
 
Resilience through Simplification: Revisiting Tainter’s Theory of Collapse
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2095648
 
https://www.thegreatsimplification.com/episode/27-joe-tainter
 
luke kemp goliath’s curse – a modern review of history collapse
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QR-QPpy4hoQ 
https://www.middlewaysociety.org/goliaths-curse-the-history-and-future-of-societal-collapse/

Posted by: Mindless Rules | Nov 27 2025 0:12 utc | 166

Lavrov again:

But I cannot analyze the reasons why this Russophobia has settled in their hearts.

Very disappointing…  It was/is necessary to be able to start a propaganda and possibly a war against Russia to loot the ressources of the country.
 
The hate against Putin started as soon as the euronazis understood he will discontinue Eltsin policy. Putin as Hitler… etc. etc.

Posted by: Naive | Nov 27 2025 0:13 utc | 167

Negociations are a mistake. They will never respect the results of those negociations. Never. 
Posted by: Naive | Nov 27 2025 0:02 utc | 163

They’re never a mistake for the Russians, because they string everything out on the diplomatic front while they complete the job on the military front. As long as the US/UK/EU are arguing amongst themselves they’re not escalating elsewhere.
It’s brilliant, dangling a carrot out there for Trump who’s desperately looking for a way out whilst the UK/EU are desperately trying everything to hold on.

Posted by: TJandTheBear | Nov 27 2025 0:13 utc | 168

It is not possible to trust the yankees nor the euronazis. Never. Negociations are a mistake. They will never respect the results of those negociations. Never.
 
Posted by: Naive | Nov 27 2025 0:02 utc | 163
 
________
 
Negotiations aren’t a mistake. Agreements, on the other hand…

Posted by: malenkov | Nov 27 2025 0:16 utc | 169

Posted by: TJandTheBear | Nov 27 2025 0:13 utc | 166
Posted by: malenkov | Nov 27 2025 0:16 utc | 167
 
In those cases, I agree with you. We will see. The objectives of the SMO have to be fulfiled on the field.

Posted by: Naive | Nov 27 2025 0:30 utc | 170

@ 157 Chat

They list 20ft in Illinois. I think the point Hot was making is that there is just one low bridge in NY that stops the journey being made by many (easily) ; because a mast can be lifted on almost all boats, but it is costly and time consuming.

@Karlof

Nothing wrong with a gaff, charming and practical with sturdy low masts

https://woodenships.co.uk/sailing-yacht/cornish-gaff-cutter/

Posted by: Ornot | Nov 27 2025 0:37 utc | 171

Biggpapi 1
 
Everything in the West is a big ponzi scheme. My doctor wants to change my medicine, so without meeting me he orders an MRI scan which takes one hour and will tell him nothing except possibly what parts could possibly be salvaged if my hearts stops functioning.
 
US , Isrsel and Britain are equally corrupt, manufacturing Covid for Big Pharma to create mrna vaccines and manipulate dna and massacring people everywhere to harvest body organs. 
The doctor who thinks he can find out about my health by using a body scan has zero understanding of the relationship of soul and mind to body, zero understanding of anything. 
All he knows or is interested in knowing is what car body parts he can steal if the engine stops working.
 
The only thing the Western shipbuilders know is how to delay the Oreshnik and hypersonic  building program by distracting their  enemies with man made Nazi genocides. 
Like playing loud music at your neighbours until they go mad.
Then calling the police to arrest their neighbours for swearing.
 
USUKIS designs designer madness.
They don’t design or need anything that works because their nuclear arsenal can destroy their enemies if their enemies start to oppose them.
The intellectual bar of USUKIS is so low, that any infant could beat them . 
That’s why they kill them.
 
 
 

Posted by: Giyane | Nov 27 2025 0:52 utc | 172

Posted by: watcher | Nov 26 2025 21:47 utc | 127
#####
Wagner has been in Venezuela for 2 weeks already.
 
This is a lot of posturing by both sides. If anyone kicks off, it will be the Yanks. They will try to instigate a response so they can claim they were attacked first.
 
Meanwhile, Russia is showing no signs of strain, deploying men and materiel in Africa and South America while conducting a 3-year conflict in Ukraine.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 27 2025 0:59 utc | 173

Posted by: Melaleuca | Nov 27 2025 0:12 utc | 164
 
Agreed
 
I can remember the F-111s too, circa 1960s. I wonder how much they cost us in real terms as well. And now the F-35 lemons as well.

Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Nov 27 2025 1:09 utc | 174

Some time ago, someone posted a video of how the MIC process worked. In this particular video it was designing and building the Bradley. Informative, insightful and hilarious. 
 
You could easily replace the Bradley with any weapon system since the Korean War to present.  The upgunned Sherman in Korea, M16s in Vietnam, M60s in the ME/Iran, M1s, Patriots etc.
 
I believe both Russia and China had similar problems, just look at number of Generals arrested in both countries for fraud. They, however are taking steps to rectify the problem.
 
Sometimes substituted parts were used while ironing out issues for main engines. My understanding was Russia struggled with marine engines for a very ongoing time, but this is completely different from pure corruption.
 
In the US, military men transition directly to the defence war contractors. Then, there’s the bought and paid for Representatives and Congress members who put the stamp of approval on any funding.
 
Back to Venezuela. Has anyone calculated the cost of keeping that many boats, crew and planes showboating? If the US could have attacked, it would have. The Syrian example proved that sanctions alone cannot result in regime change.  So all these made up charges of narco terrorism to justify bombing have been pushed through. But the jury is still out if any of that is legal and calls for the military to disobey unlawful orders.
 
The economy is tanking, the  Empire is crumbling.
 
Ni Hao!
 
 

Posted by: Suresh | Nov 27 2025 1:33 utc | 175

Jams O’Donell
 
Regarding SPY 6 radar in the newest class USN Aegis Air and Missile defense ships.
 
SPY 6 is modern and better than old Aegis SPY 1.  SPY 1 is much upgraded but in USN destroyers since 1980s.  You can upgrade SPY 1 so much but new tech including GaN substrate call for a whole new set.
 
I have no idea of Russian and Chinese tech in the area of long range steered phased array radars.
 
As to US not replacing manned ISR aerospace systems.  There are other ways, including drones, and USN P-8 has excellent ground ISR sensor and comms.

Posted by: paddy | Nov 27 2025 1:36 utc | 176

The Resource Empire: Mapping Russia’s Massive Subsoil Wealth https://sputnikglobe.com/20251126/the-resource-empire-mapping-russias-massive-subsoil-wealth-1123178387.html 
Posted by: smartfox | Nov 26 2025 20:23 utc | 95
 
Very informative infographic. Ta. D.

Posted by: Don Firineach | Nov 27 2025 1:37 utc | 177

Meanwhile. Stephen Miller says the U$ is being “Somalified”https://x.com/JesseBWatters/status/1993499388048478589
Posted by: Melaleuca | Nov 26 2025 18:51 utc | 51
This I agree with. Much easier for the filthy rich. The country can be poor but the rich can still be rich even if the rest of the country sucks. There are some very wealthy people in Haiti even today that live pampered lives of excess.
 
 The alligator tears over Somalians…
 
 Somalians are nothing but a plague wherever they are. They kill, rape, defraud and destroy wherever they go. Witness Minnesota.
 
 They could bomb Somalians for the next century and never give them enough payback. Bombing Somalians is always a good decision. Very good way to get rid of code H ammunition.

Posted by: Archetypex | Nov 27 2025 1:42 utc | 178

Posted by: Suresh | Nov 27 2025 1:33 utc | 173
 
You are correct to point out the huge cost and waste of the US operation in the Caribbean based on fake claims. And even if they light the fuse to that one there is no guarantee it would not cost a hell of a lot more at many levels than what the Hollywood event is costing now. And the chances of getting bogged down are worse than with Vietnam as many analysts have suggested given the Venezuelan landscape and terrain. Some have said it could become a disaster like the Bay of Pigs  against tiny Cuba. 

Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Nov 27 2025 1:46 utc | 179

Things are speeding up. If only the dumb Kallas and that other blonde Nazi scarecrow could read.  Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Nov 26 2025 22:33 utc | 144 Kallas wanted to have a meeting with Rubio, but Rubio refuses to meet her and speak with her.A bigger humiliation in diplomatic is not possible.
Posted by: humiliation | Nov 26 2025 22:42 utc | 147
 
Lavrov – ‘Kallas not a straight-A student …
 
Lavrov Gives Kaja Kallas a Lesson on the Red Army’s Role in WWII | RU-EN

Posted by: Don Firineach | Nov 27 2025 1:49 utc | 180

Ornot 169
 
Three generations of my mother’s family built ships  in Cardiff.  The family were Huguemot refugees from France in the Channel Isands where they grew early potatoes.  That led to shipping, which led to exporting coal and steel from South Wales. They were engineers and designed everything.
 
But there comes a point in any business where the financiers who helped create.a company become the custodians of its wealth. They, and their obsessions are highly corrosive to the creativity of the founding engineers.  The family became posh, alcoholic and dysfunctional.
 
This in a nutshell is what has happened to America, and why America is now run by  real estate Jews. There are probably books written on the subject of the relationship between people who understand money  and people who have ideas. The rabbis , and Jesus as the carpenter.
 
Interestingly the Qur’an doesn’t have a Jesus who understands cloth and leather but one AS who is an expounder of the Gospels rules and the Torah Law.
He AS called the Talmudic rabbis obstructers of the religion , exactly as they are now, but the Talmudic moneylenders influence over my mother’s family destroyed their creativity and genius. They hunted foxes and went to private schools with the awful English gentry.
 
This is where the US and US are now, totally entwined in the spiders’ ravel of the financial Jews. We will eat you later.
Russia and China are in the upcycle of creativity which was financed by Wolfowitz and the World Bank in China and others in Russia .
Their refusal to oppose the Trump plan for Palestine tells me that the Talmudic bankers already have Russia and China by the ideological balls.
 
 
 

Posted by: Giyane | Nov 27 2025 1:55 utc | 181

179
US and Uk

Posted by: Giyane | Nov 27 2025 1:57 utc | 182

Bombing Somalians is always a good decision. 
 
– Archetypex | 176

 
I’ll hand you a MoA Prediction Medal for that one. No jury decision required.

Posted by: persiflo | Nov 27 2025 1:59 utc | 183

Nice article.

Posted by: Stavka41 | Nov 27 2025 2:02 utc | 184

Posted by: persiflo | Nov 27 2025 1:59 utc | 181
 
Graciously accepted, thank you.

Posted by: Archetypex | Nov 27 2025 2:03 utc | 185

@136 The last “cruisers” are the Ticonderoga class, built back when “cruiser” was supposed to mean something.
But nowadays there really is only two roles for blue-water surface warships:  those with an emphasis on anti-air and those with an emphasis on anti-submarine.
For convenience sake the former tend to be called “destroyers” and the latter tend to be called “frigates”, irrespective of their displacement.
Russia has brown-water surface warships that are very dangerous in the anti-ship role, and they tend to call those “corvettes”.
But, really, nowadays displacement doesn’t define a warship: they are defined by the role that they perform:  corvettes are anti-ship warships, frigates are anti-sub warships, and destroyers are anti-air warships.  They tend to run in that order in terms of displacement, but that’s only a rule of thumb.
But there is no place nowadays for “cruisers”, since the traditional cruiser tasks no longer exist.
 
 

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Nov 27 2025 2:03 utc | 186

Posted by: persiflo | Nov 27 2025 1:59 utc | 181
 
Graciously accepted, thank you.

Posted by: Archetypex | Nov 27 2025 2:04 utc | 187

Stupid web site software, said I was posting too quickly, then posted it anyways… arrgh
 
 Sorry guys, not my fault.

Posted by: Archetypex | Nov 27 2025 2:06 utc | 188

The world is a safer place because US Navy procurement is garbage. Just think if the US Navy could actually order and commission powerful warship.
BTW, a few years ago I read a report from an American naval analyst who reckoned the most powerful warship on the planet for the price was the Admiral Gorshkov. If the United States requires frigates, it should ask Russia to sell them some. The cost to Russia allegedly $250 million so I’m sure Russia would happily sell them to Washington for $500 million./sarcasm

Posted by: Ghost Ship | Nov 27 2025 2:07 utc | 189

And the chances of getting bogged down are worse than with Vietnam as many analysts have suggested given the Venezuelan landscape and terrain. Some have said it could become a disaster like the Bay of Pigs  against tiny Cuba.
 
– GeorgeWendell  | 177

 
I say it will be a disaster, and I haven’t even studied the maps. They can only come in through an amphibious landing. But a hard-won bridgehead is meaningless without a serious invasion force, and that is nowhere to be seen. For reasons, of which you’ve mentioned a few. What they might do is use the “Amphibs”  to stage raids, possibly escalating it to an aerial campaign. This is a hybrid war.

Posted by: persiflo | Nov 27 2025 2:11 utc | 190

War is chancy businesses.   I wouldn’t place any firm bets until war has separated what works what doesn’t and who can hold up an industrial economy and enlistment rates.  Allies and geography are also an important variables.  The US could absorb a pearl Harbour type thing and build back.  It has all the ingredients available to it.  I don’t think China does.   
 
I will say the current disparity in production rates is real and helps fuel a confrontation. 

Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Nov 27 2025 2:15 utc | 191

The cost to Russia allegedly $250 million so I’m sure Russia would happily sell them to Washington for $500 million./sarcasm
Posted by: Ghost Ship | Nov 27 2025 2:07 utc | 187
They would be a steal compared to US mic costs, but still fail. You would need a huge program to translate Cyrillic control labels to English and the training programs ….
 End result would be same inflated mic cost or more  I’m sure.

Posted by: Archetypex | Nov 27 2025 2:15 utc | 192

Yeah, Right,
 
poster was being sarcastic about a 16000 ton Frigate – talk about bloat 😋

Posted by: Exile | Nov 27 2025 2:25 utc | 193

The argument about navies and their usefulness is valid with our changing technologies being employed on the battlefield now.
 
” Get there first with the most men”
 
I envision drone and missile strikes covering a huge landing force of RORO ships with extremely fast deployment of vehicles and quick reaction forces.
 
 Will see what happens…

Posted by: Archetypex | Nov 27 2025 2:30 utc | 194

@191
 
Arleigh Burke Flt III is 17000 tons much larger than the ships carrying SPY 1 radars.  The Flt III need more hull and more electric power generation.
 
Why SPY 6 radar likely killed the frigate fleet.

Posted by: paddy | Nov 27 2025 2:30 utc | 195

Big Serge’s latest article is quite timely for this discussion. It covers questionable planning of the German naval fleet from 1935 onward, and a discussion of their invasion of Norway.

Posted by: persiflo | Nov 27 2025 2:33 utc | 196

Two National Guardsmen shot near WH.
Afghan national identified .
His backstory (seems plausible)
https://x.com/ShadowofEzra/status/1993847479201108137

The Afghan national who shot the National Guard members in Washington, D.C. entered the U.S. through Operation Allies Welcome, which was run by Alejandro Mayorkas, the first Jewish Secretary of Homeland Security.
Joe Biden put Mayorkas in charge of the nationwide effort to resettle Afghans following the chaotic U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan.
The criminal came to the United States in 2021 as part of the program created to bring in Afghans who had worked with or assisted the U.S. government.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Nov 27 2025 2:40 utc | 197

Posted by: persiflo | Nov 27 2025 2:11 utc | 188
Thanks for your comments.
Too many casualties which often happens with amphibious ‘hard won’ (as you say) landings and it would be politically disastrous for the potential Agent Orange man too, especially in the US’s backyard.  They don’t really have any proxies to waste either as they did in Vietnam with south Vietnamese troops who even outnumbered the north Vietnamese but failed to deliver even with US support.

Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Nov 27 2025 2:45 utc | 198

Discussion of Venezuela is OT but I want to add that if Trump had a talk with Maduro I expect it would be used to identify where Maduro is and bomb him.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 27 2025 2:46 utc | 199

My latest project involves a wannabe naval power that has a very violent history and wants to reassert itself despite all the treaties and promises not to do so that are even within its constitution, China Wants No Repeat of 1936 by Today’s Japan. I’ve linked to many of the relevant documents referred to in the two editorials I crafted the article around. China has adopted a curious stratagem that gets teased out somewhat. This could become an issue that overshadows Ukraine.   

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 27 2025 2:51 utc | 200