Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
November 26, 2025
Navy Shows Why The U.S. Is Losing Its Relative Power

The defeat of the west is in part happening because its loss of the ability to sensibly analyze and manage things. A consequence is the relative loss of power.

Here it is the U.S. Navy demonstrating the issue:

Navy Cuts Constellation-Class Frigate Program Short as Shipbuilding Delays MountgCaptain

The U.S. Navy announced Tuesday it is terminating four ships from its troubled Constellation-class frigate program before construction begins, marking a significant strategic shift as the service grapples with mounting delays and seeks faster alternatives for fleet expansion.

Secretary of the Navy John Phelan revealed the decision on social media, stating that while the first two frigates—Constellation (FFG-62) and Congress (FFG-63)—will proceed to completion at Fincantieri Marinette Marine’s Wisconsin shipyard, the Navy has reached a “comprehensive framework” with the Italian-owned contractor to cancel the next four planned vessels in the class.

The announcement comes as the program faces severe schedule challenges. The lead ship, originally slated for delivery in April 2026, is now expected three years later in April 2029—a 36-month delay that has raised concerns about the Navy’s ability to execute its modernization plans.

Over the last 20+ years the Navy ship building management has not delivered even one class of ships on time and within the projected price frame. Moreover none ever reached the desired and promised capabilities.

Once there were to be 32 Zumwalt-class destroyers each with 16,000 tons of displacement. Only three were build and only two are active. The ships were supposed to carry new technologies which turned out to be too complicate and too expensive:

The ship is designed around its two Advanced Gun Systems (AGS), turrets with 920-round magazines, and unique Long Range Land Attack Projectile (LRLAP) ammunition. LRLAP procurement was canceled, rendering the guns unusable, so the Navy re-purposed the ships for surface warfare. In 2023, the Navy removed the AGS from the ships and replaced them with hypersonic missiles.

The Navy does not have hypersonic missiles. Until it develops some the extremely expensive destroyers will mostly be useless.

There were also the Littoral Combat Ships (LCS) at 3,000 ton displacement which were supposed to be fast and carry changeable weapon modules. The Little Crappy Ships delivered turned out to be unreliable speed boats which could not survive a day in a war. Most modules they were supposed to carry were never build. Seven of the 35 commissioned since 2008 have already been retired. Some with less than five years in service.

To replace the failing LCS program the Navy desired larger multipurpose frigates. To prevent a repeat of the ill fated LCS program an order from above was given to use an existing design. The idea was to buy a ship design from allies that was proven to work and to build it in the U.S. with only minimal modifications.

But the Navy bureaucracy intervened and in 2020 it ended up with this ‘compromise’:

The Navy awarded a partial contract to Fincantieri for the design and construction of the new frigate. The $795M contract is for the basic hull. Extensive Government Furnished Equipment (GFE) will be paid for separately and includes Baseline 10 Aegis Combat System, Mk 41 VLS, Enterprise Air Surveillance Radar, command and control electronics, decoy systems, Mk110 57mm gun, RAM point defense launcher, Naval Strike Missile launcher, SEWIP Blk II … basically everything that isn’t the hull.

The lead ship will cost $1.281 billion, with $795 million of that covering the shipbuilder’s detail design and construction costs and the rest covering the GFE, including the combat systems, radar, launchers, command and control systems, decoys and more.

The Italian/French FREMM frigates are well balanced ships with about 6,000 ton displacement. They are configured to allow for anti-submarine, surface warfare and air defenses. Twenty-two are currently in service.

But the Navy did not like to use weapon systems that were made elsewhere even when they worked well. So it ripped everything out of the hull design and tried to stuff its own type of equipment into it.

Ship design does not work like this. The U.S. radar is heavier which makes the ship top heavy and instable. Thus the hull needs to be widened which decreases the potential speed of the vessel which then requires changes in the machinery and so on and so on. The whole point of buying a working design to prevent a costly design creep was missed.

Moreover the Navy ordered the ships to be build before its desired design changes were even defined. Parts of the ships had to be rebuild when the final designs arrived. The Government Accountability Office wrote a highly critical report on this:

Over at least 2 decades, the Navy’s Constellation class Guided Missile Frigate program plans to acquire and deliver up to 20 frigates—multi-mission, small surface combatant warships—at a combined cost of over $22 billion. To reduce technical risk, the Navy and its shipbuilder modified an existing design to incorporate Navy specifications and weapon systems. However, the Navy’s decision to begin construction before the design was complete is inconsistent with leading ship design practices and jeopardized this approach. Further, design instability has caused weight growth.

The ship class now has a displacement of 7,300 tons which makes it slower than the original design. It also has less endurance. It is more expensive than planned and at least three years behind schedule.

The shipyard that is building these ships did not mind to implement the Navy changes to its own design:

As of November 2024, officials reported that the shipbuilder had submitted five requests for “equitable adjustment”, raising the potential for unbudgeted cost growth. Requests for equitable adjustment provide a remedy payable only when unforeseen or unintended circumstances – such as government modification of a contract – cause an increase in costs. The US Navy deemed the total costs of the five requests “not suitable for public release”. According to officials, these requests relate to government change orders and significant design changes from the frigate’s parent ship design.

The ship yard also did not mind to chancel the program:

The agreement provides continuity of work for the two Constellation-class frigates currently under construction and discontinues the contract for the four other frigates already under contract. Crucially, Fincantieri stated that the Navy will indemnify the company on existing economic commitments and industrial impacts through measures provided as a result of the contractual decision made for the Navy’s convenience.

Looking forward, Fincantieri says it expects to receive new orders to deliver classes of vessels in segments that serve the immediate interests of the nation, including amphibious, icebreaking, and other special missions vessels. The company also stated it will support the U.S. Navy as it redefines strategic choices in the Small Surface Combatants segment, both manned and unmanned.

It’s, of course, a racket.

But behind is also ill discipline. An unwillingness to accept what already has proven to be a good solution. An unreasonable desire for new technology even when it is impractical and overly costly.

The overall result is a Navy that is constantly losing its relative power:

According to a Pentagon estimate, the People’s Liberation Army Navy is expected to have about 400 hulls in the water by the end of this year. Some 50 of those ships are frigates, according to the International Institute for Strategic Studies.

The US fleet is around 240 ships and submarines [but no frigates].

It’s a troubling statistic, experts say, with history showing in any confrontation the larger fleet usually wins.

The Pentagon think tank RAND has recognized the decline. It recently published a report that urged the U.S. to accommodate China instead of trying to fight it:

In October of 2025, the RAND Corporation published a report titled “Stabilizing the U.S.–China Rivalry“. Within weeks, the study disappeared from RAND’s website. No explanation. No revision notice. No reupload.

The timeline itself suggests a struggle. The study appeared on RAND’s website in mid-October 2025 and was not removed until nearly two weeks later. This is far too slow for a routine correction and far too fast for a scheduled revision. Such a delay is characteristic of an internal contest: the report was vetted, approved, published, and allowed to circulate — until opposition within the policy structure hardened sufficiently to demand its removal. The RAND report was not suppressed because it was mistaken, but because its implications became intolerable after they were recognized.

A well known quote from Sun Tsu urges to know oneself and the enemy to not fear the results of hundred battles. The U.S., it seems, rejects to know either.

Comments

Military procurement in the capitalist west is just a giant ponzi scheme 
 
No care about end product, it genuinely doesn’t matter, people have already got paid by that point.

Posted by: BiggPapi | Nov 26 2025 17:09 utc | 1

“The whole point of buying a working design to prevent a costly design creep was missed.”
That assumes Imperialism is intent on designing an effective ship at a reasonable cost.  As you say, it’s a big scam.  And this is true looking at every facet of US imperialism.  The economy is not meant to serve anyone but billionaires, but it’s discussed always as a collective national concern.  Health care, justice, infrastructure…it’s all the same.  Nothing is designed to improve the fortunes of the nation or it’s people.  Everything is done on one key criteria: billionaires must turn a large, easy and fast profit.  
Honestly, Imperialism on some level must be seriously concerned about invading Venezuela at this point.  Trying and failing to do even that would truly be the last nail in the coffin for its totally unearned reputation as a serious military challenge.  What can it point to?  Killing hundreds of thousands of unarmed women and children in Gaza with its Zio proxy.  That’s the big threatening victory it rides on today.  

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Nov 26 2025 17:13 utc | 2

The hegemon that is only a hegemon on paper; in other words, a paper tiger, which the Houthis proved beyond a shade of doubt over the past year.

Posted by: Ngungu | Nov 26 2025 17:15 utc | 3

I read an article earlier this year about the lack of “Oilers” which are crucial logistics ships. No Oilers, no deployment. At one time America had hundreds post-WW2, today, I believe it is less than 20.
 
America’s failure to maintain infrastructure, industry, and now military capacity are all rooted in hyper-financialization and (small d) democracy.
 
Can’t do long term planning or sustainment when time preferences are high.
 
This, like many phenomena, is affected by inertia. One cannot print billions and a year later a fleet appears. It will take time to train the welders, build the manufactories, and to source the material.
 
Every day the Empire doesn’t address its shortcomings has an asymmetric consequence. A day lost now may equal a month later. And so on and so forth.
 
Manufacturing and education are two domains that require sustained investment to yield results. 
 
They can’t be turned on or off like a light switch.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 26 2025 17:16 utc | 4

Honestly, Imperialism on some level must be seriously concerned about invading Venezuela at this point. 
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Nov 26 2025 17:13 utc | 2
 
I suspect Trump is hesitating or has already scrapped the military part because it could involve a conflict with Russia, which would jeopardize all his ambitions in Ukraine. So much for being a peacemaker.

Posted by: smartfox | Nov 26 2025 17:20 utc | 5

I think a lot of the failures regarding military procurement in the US is rated to “requirements-first” vs “mission-first”.  That means when proposals are called for and subsequently put forth, the same group of “experienced-clowns” write proposals to “meet-the-requirements” while the inexperienced write proposals to “meet-the-mission”.  Nobody who “matters” gives an eff about “meet-the-mission” the money is in the requirements, not the performance of the mission.  Also, proposal writers are rarely practicing engineers, they’re mostly those who figured out early they were very good at engineering and sought management roles.
 
As a side note, it appears the English are behind the publication of the negotiation details between Russia and the US.  Once again reinforcing my point, the War Against Russia [WAR] in ex-ukrainia is an English project..start to finish…with the dolts of DC’s 3LAs being led by the nose, all the while believing that they are in charge.

Posted by: S Brennan | Nov 26 2025 17:20 utc | 6

US military procurement seems to be one huge ’bezzle’, certainly since the dissolution of the Soviet Union and the end of the Warsaw Treaty. At least when faced with the prospect of going up against a formidable foe in the Red Army and its allies there was an incentive, of some of some kind, to get something more-or-less working in a more-or-less timely manner.
 
I’ve lost count of the number of US Army, Navy and Air Force projects that have gone through severe curtailment, if not outright cancellation.
 
And while all this delay and dithering continues, the existing fleets don’t get any younger. Good luck with taking on China, gentlemen…

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 26 2025 17:20 utc | 7

“Over the last 20+ years the Navy ship building management has not delivered even one class of ships on time and within the projected price frame. Moreover none ever reached the desired and promised capabilities.”
 
That covers everything in the west. Virtually any western country – government projects on time and on budget? How long since that has happened in Europe and five-eyes?

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 26 2025 17:22 utc | 8

Correction:
proposal writers are rarely practicing engineers, they’re mostly those who figured out early they were weren’t very good at engineering and sought management roles“.

Posted by: S Brennan | Nov 26 2025 17:23 utc | 9

Going off your comment, LoveDonbass, I remember when  last year, I think – and please correct me if I’m wrong, I’m going completely off memory, people – that one cargo ship rammed a bridge pylon in Maryland, I think? and collapsed the entire bridge. 2-4 of the U.S.’s Rapid Response, “able to be anywhere on the planet in less than 48 hours” or whatever ships were suddenly trapped in that harbor while crews cleared the wreckage. Said 2-4 ships comprised either a significant portion of the U.S.’s overall ability to do that, and/or a very vital component of said fleet, maybe the oilers you’re talking about. I remember reading about it in a ZeroHedge article, and I believe it was mentioned that if, for example, the U.S. fleet was needed in the Persian Gulf, they simply wouldn’t be able to deploy there, because those ships are trapped. Whoever wrote the article talked about just how fragile and delicate the U.S. Navy’s ability to wage war really is. People, do feel free to fill in  any blanks or correct where I was wrong, I really did pull from memory, but you get the picture. But yeah we’ve come a long way from the U.S. Navy breaking the back of the Japanese in the Pacific, or supporting landings in Inchon, the only thing the Navy can do is have battleships emergency break so that Rihanna can shoot aliens or something (Battleship, 2010).

Posted by: Stark | Nov 26 2025 17:26 utc | 10

Another stellar posting b…thanks
 
So, now apply this management structure to the new Genesis AI project….somebody in the know needs to ask AI to apply Bernhard’s article to the potential Genesis project to tell us how it will turn out in relation to the China approach….grin

Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 26 2025 17:27 utc | 11

Here is a stellar review of the US Navy crisis:
America’s National Security Wonderland – American Affairs Journal
https://americanaffairsjournal.org/2025/02/americas-national-security-wonderland/
 

Posted by: Crumchy | Nov 26 2025 17:28 utc | 12

Maybe the unspoken truth is, as has been discussed earlier on MoA, aircraft carriers and large military vessels are nothing more than sitting ducks.  So easy to target.   Building a new one for war is just plain idiocy.   So they cancel them without sharing the reality.

Posted by: Merv Ritchie | Nov 26 2025 17:30 utc | 13

Have we seen any naval war or even combat since WWII? Maybe Falkland, although it is debatable whether that was actually naval war. Britain did very well in that particular scenario, different times.
But not many conflicts rely heavily on naval power, so focus is elsewhere. Media control, elite control, air superiority, intel, digital superiority, covert operations, etc. The US ist still very good in those fields.
Venezuela wll not be comforted by the fact that the US can’t build ships any longer. The ships are theater. The other stuff is real and it’s very often effective.
On a pedantic side note: https://www.theconjugator.com/englisches/verb/to+build.html

Posted by: Hamburger | Nov 26 2025 17:30 utc | 14

And just how was the USN going to get their shiny new frigate from land-locked Wisconsin to the ocean? (Yes, Lake Michigan is there but there’s no navigable connection to the Atlantic Ocean.)  Given the USN’s inability to build proper warships, what should we expect when it comes to naval combat? The defeat by Ansarallh has already been swept under the rug, yet a very similar fate awaits off Venezuelan shores. As Martyanov constantly reminds, the USN has no combat capabilities against the Russian or Chinese fleets because it lacks the required weapons. And you can bet that every small nation with an oceanic coastline will be taking a cue from Ansarallah and stocking up on domestically produced drones and a complement of recent vintage anti-ship missiles, all of which cost much less than one modern warship. 
The USN was once the main means of defense and is conspicuous for its mention in the Constitution, but it has turned into a massive budgetary waste of monies. The Outlaw US Empire doesn’t need to project power anymore, mainly because it can’t, but it does need to drastically rein-in its spending. DOGE would easily judge USN to be very inefficient and a prime example of what to cut.   
 

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 26 2025 17:32 utc | 15

Related to my previous post, America has abandoned the virtuous cycle of saving to create future production.
 
If you can’t save to invest, in most cases, you will not be able to produce.
 
Printing money and using debt have destroyed the cultural notion to save in the West.
 
I cannot recommend highly enough Irwin Schiff’s classic “How an economy grows and why it doesn’t”.
 
It’s a short easy read and provides fundamentals every adult should understand.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 26 2025 17:33 utc | 16

US procurement looks more and more like these youtube comedy video… let me find the right title : 
Drunks ; he buys the Italian version of a 20 years old french frigate to discover he is unable to build them…
Should we told them about the FDI ? It will be fun , promised ^^.
 

Posted by: Savonarole | Nov 26 2025 17:38 utc | 17

Posted by: Stark | Nov 26 2025 17:26 utc | 10
 
######
 
High leverage points can swing conflicts.
 
Logistics, while often mundane, are usually high leverage in every domain.
 
Cutting off rare earth supply is like cutting off oxygen. Cutting off logistical transport or expertise is the same.
 
A way to win with minimal fighting.
 
The acme of skill.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 26 2025 17:39 utc | 18

And just how was the USN going to get their shiny new frigate from land-locked Wisconsin to the ocean? Yes, Lake Michigan is there but there’s no navigable connection to the Atlantic Ocean” – karlof1  15

It’s called the St Lawrence Seaway…sheesh

Posted by: S Brennan | Nov 26 2025 17:43 utc | 19

Posted by: S Brennan | Nov 26 2025 17:20 utc | 6
 
The problem with the US armed forces is not one of ‘good’ engineers versus ‘poor’ engineers. The problem  goes right through the whole of US society, and can be summed up in one word – decadence. US society no longer (if it ever did) work for the good of the whole society. It works now for the 1%, and everything – everything, is for their benefit. The main reason for this happening is the US’s hell-bent worship of the capitalist system, and the 150 year long crusade by the US establishment to fortify their position by viciously attacking any attempt at organisation by the US working classes.
 
As for the ‘English’ – I have no love at all for the English, but to think that a long has-been empire can call the shots on the much richer US is fantasy. There may be some scum in the City of London who are part of the anti-life conspiracy, but international capital is just that – international. These people owe no allegiance to any country, and especially not the impoverished lame-duck that the UK now is. 

Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Nov 26 2025 17:44 utc | 20

The St. Lawrence Seaway (French: la Voie Maritime du Saint-Laurent) is a system of rivers, locks, canals and channels in Eastern Canada and the Northern United States that permits oceangoing vessels to travel from the Atlantic Ocean to the Great Lakes of North America, as far inland as Duluth, Minnesota, at the western end of Lake Superior. The seaway is named for the St. Lawrence River, which flows straight from Lake Ontario to the Atlantic Gulf of St. Lawrence. Legally, the seaway extends from Montreal, Quebec, to Lake Erie, and includes the Welland Canal. Ships from the Atlantic Ocean are able to reach ports in all five of the Great Lakes via the Great Lakes Waterway
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Lawrence_Seaway

Posted by: S Brennan | Nov 26 2025 17:45 utc | 21

Marine Drones are the future of Naval Warfare. Drones have changed how land battles are fought, still an evolving field.  The oceans will be no different. 
 
So ships, no ships, no big deal. Bedrock 404 has no ships, but by using sea drones they have kept the majority of the BSF far from range.  Damaged their fair share of it. BSF venturing out to fling some rockets into Bedrock now and then and that carries significant risk as they don’t parade back and forth like the good old days of the Moskova.
 
Cheers M 
 
 …..military procurement orders get cancelled all the time, mainly for political reasons, how and to whom the contracts were awarded, which System Pig’s turn it is to slop at the trough next, insider stuff……predicting collapse on that is no different than predicting the collapse of the west every time an election is called…….hope does springs eternal ……

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Nov 26 2025 17:54 utc | 22

The size of vessels that can traverse the seaway is limited by the size of the locks. Those on the St. Lawrence and the Welland Canal are 766 ft (233.5 m) long, 80 ft (24.4 m) wide, and 30 ft (9.14 m) deep. The maximum allowed vessel size is slightly smaller: 740 ft (225.6 m) long, 78 ft (23.8 m) wide, and 26.5 ft (8.1 m) deep

The Great Lakes region has been decimated by the coastal globalists but, it once was and could be again, one of the worlds greatest industrial areas…if only the globalist-elites would lift their jack-boot off it’s throat.

Posted by: S Brennan | Nov 26 2025 17:54 utc | 23

ahoy mate!! we’re pirates and we don’t want any competition, but we are running out of planks, lol…
 
thanks b! 

Posted by: james | Nov 26 2025 17:56 utc | 24

is there any sector of the US, or Western, economy that doesn’t work similarly? basically, yes, but unlike school lunch programs, the DOD never runs short of cash.
 
For example, Google “1919 building Philadelphia.” after scrolling thru all the real estate BS, 
https://6abc.com/post/residents-1919-market-street-apartment-evacuated-fire-philadelphia-high-rise-building/18165022/
“The cause of the fire remains under investigation, but the resident who called 911 told Action News off-camera that someone threw an item that was still burning down the trash chute.”
 
what % of buildings in the city limits of Philly have NEVER had their trash chute sprinkler system inspected or are behind on the system’s routine maintenance and testing? how about the city’s parking garages and their life safety systems? 
 
how about Pennsylvania’s nuclear reactors?

Posted by: duck n cover | Nov 26 2025 17:57 utc | 25

I’m worried … I’m agreeing with b and all the comments so far … something must be wrong. 
“It’s, of course, a racket.” – in a nutshell … 
 
and also as another commentator noted: why in heck are we (and China for that matter) building ships anyway? In any war against a peer or near-peer opponent, they would be unusable. And against primitive opponents, 1960s/70s era systems would be adequate. 
so, a racket and that’s it … 

Posted by: Caliman | Nov 26 2025 17:58 utc | 26

great news the 1 trillion dollars in savings for these 4 small. boats should be sent to wall street and the rise of hitler an the bolshevik revolutions then onto  tel aviver ukrainia and then onto the panama and paradise papers. turks and cackus city of london then onto little saint james and bigger saint james crown epstein islands attention of the chabad khazharian crime syndicate 
shirley this is for the best
my life already
 

Posted by: normal wisdom | Nov 26 2025 18:00 utc | 27

What happened with the Constellations is pure idiocy. They started with the FREMMs used by the French and Italians.
There are even two versions, an AA/AN and an AS.
Then they started saying they were too fragile for an ocean-going navy. so they changed the hull.
Too bad the French use them in the North Atlantic, where 8-meter waves are the rule, not the exception.
Then they said to install US equipment and weapons.
Too bad the previous class, the Perrys, used Italian OTO Melara guns and Dutch Signaal Apparaten radar with great success.
So they started messing with the design, practically redesigning them from scratch.
Costs tripled and delivery times, only the devil knows where went,
when the Italians and French build a FREMM in about 3 years without even exceeding the budget!

Posted by: Mauro Rossini | Nov 26 2025 18:02 utc | 28

“And just how was the USN going to get their shiny new frigate from land-locked Wisconsin to the ocean? (Yes, Lake Michigan is there but there’s no navigable connection to the Atlantic Ocean.)”
 
Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 26 2025 17:32 utc | 15
 
That’s not true:
 
“The waterway allows passage from the Atlantic Ocean to the inland port of Duluth on Lake Superior, a distance of 2,340 miles (3,770 km) and to Chicago, on Lake Michigan, at 2,250 miles (3,620 km).[3] The elevation change from Lake Superior to sea level is 601 feet (183 m).
Together with the Saint Lawrence Seaway, the Waterway accommodates both ocean-going vessels and ore, grain, and coal-bearing lake freighters that travel from the system’s saltwater outlet to its far interior. The Waterway has larger locks and deeper drafts than the lower Seaway, limiting large freighters to the four lakes upstream of the Welland Canal and Lake Ontario and similarly restricting passage beyond Saint Lambert, Quebec by larger ocean vessels. The two waterways are often jointly and simply referred to as the “St. Lawrence Seaway”, since the Great Lakes, together with the St. Lawrence River, comprise a single navigable body of freshwater linking the Atlantic Ocean to the continental interior. Major ports on the Great Lakes Waterway include Duluth-Superior, Chicago, Detroit, Toledo, Cleveland, Two HarborsHamilton and Thunder Bay.[4]”
 
 

Posted by: canuk | Nov 26 2025 18:03 utc | 29

However, the Navy’s decision to begin construction before the design was complete is inconsistent with leading ship design practices

To state it less delicately, that decision was freaking insane.

Posted by: David Levin | Nov 26 2025 18:04 utc | 30

construction before the design
 
Truly exceptional, this empire.

Posted by: MorePain4Cakes | Nov 26 2025 18:09 utc | 31

 karlof1 @15: “there’s no navigable connection to the Atlantic Ocean”
 
 
You’ve not spent much time in the Midwest/Northeast!
Duluth Seaway Port Authority
Yeah, you can get all the way up to Duluth with big boats, not just Milwaukee. I’ve sailed the entire Great Lakes-St. Lawrence Seaway to most of the Intracoastal Waterway. Of course, that was in a relatively tiny 32′ sailboat, but the locks on the Great Lakes are pretty big and recreational boats often end up sharing them with ocean-going freighters and tankers. They would be way too small for an aircraft carrier, of course, and maybe a little tight for a destroyer, but no problem for frigates. 

Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 26 2025 18:10 utc | 32

Jams O’Donnell@20…….you may be one of those poor elfish Englanders, you poor wee thing….England is awash in stolen money, every Royal Appointment has billion of stolen $, pounds, yen, rubles, it’s called off shore accounts…..got yours stashed in Coutts by chance? The Establishment that fostered international Genocide around the globe several times over for hundreds of years has the money to buy proxies by the shit load……yeah, they’re broke…..too funny…..making apologies for England….. whatever helps you sleep I suppose……
 
Cheers M 
 
 

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Nov 26 2025 18:11 utc | 33

…..military procurement orders get cancelled all the time, mainly for political reasons, how and to whom the contracts were awarded, which System Pig’s turn it is to slop at the trough next, insider stuff……predicting collapse on that is no different than predicting the collapse of the west every time an election is called…….hope does springs eternal ……
 
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Nov 26 2025 17:54 utc | 22
 
Boy, you’re more confident in US Imperialism than Trump and Biden put together.  And at this stage of history too.  Very queer.  And still lauding the Ukies too?  And still shaming Russia?  Keep your eye on the scoreboard, shawny boy.  You’re in for some surprises.  

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Nov 26 2025 18:17 utc | 34

Steam!
 

Posted by: too scents | Nov 26 2025 18:19 utc | 35

Posted by: David Levin | Nov 26 2025 18:04 utc | 29
“To state it less delicately, that decision was freaking insane.”
 
It joins a long list of similar decisions. F-22, F-35, Littoral Combat ships, Zumwalts, Gerald Ford carriers, Bradley ‘Fighting’ vehicles, Abrams tanks, M16 rifle, Boeing 737, etc..
 
The new G. Ford carriers are a great example. Despite having successfully designed and built carriers since before WWII, some of them outstandingly efficient, the USN couldn’t manage to design a successful sewage system for this new carrier. The same applies to the lifts. Finally, the Chinese managed, at a first attempt, to design and build a properly working EMALS launch system using a different mechanism, while the US, with all their decades of experience, is still struggling. This sort of list of US failure really could fill a book. There are not enough shipyards, dockyards, welders etc. etc. Just over-reach, hubris and dismal failures.
 
The US used to be an industrial nation, but now they are just financialised.

Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Nov 26 2025 18:23 utc | 36

Many US Terrorist states weapons – are built with expensive MIC servicing in mind, such as the Abrams tank – the Yanks also had a frigate class that was a pig in a poke – the Littoral class – I read today though I can find it again, that the US navy is decommissioning 22 military ships, whilst China has upped it commissioning of war ships.
 
US hegemony, and throwing taxpayers cash at the MIC – are  two of the main reason why the Yanks have such a big military – you need a big military, when you are the worlds worst trouble maker – poking your nose into other nations business, and staging proxy wars in any nation but your own.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Nov 26 2025 18:24 utc | 37

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Nov 26 2025 18:11 utc | 32
 
Ah! So you are sensitive after all. 🤪

Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Nov 26 2025 18:26 utc | 38

The Mafia does not need, want, and cannot effectively use  the ships it contracts for, it just needs the contracts  so it can  siphon off the contract money. 

Posted by: snake | Nov 26 2025 18:27 utc | 39

military procurement orders get cancelled all the time

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Nov 26 2025 18:11 utc | 32
 
Not sure how that helps, it still leaves existing fleets with an increasing age profile, with little new stuff coming off the production lines or launch slipways. Eventually even the venerable B-52 is going to reach the limits of feasible life-extension.
 
Previously I’ve posted in one of the Ukraine topics about NATO living off the ‘accumulated fat’ of past investment projects, obviously that can’t go on endlessly, yet there’s still this insouciant approach to replacement projects.
 

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 26 2025 18:28 utc | 40

Gordon Lightfoot – Wreck Of The Edmund Fitzgerald

 
 
The legend lives on from the Chippewa on downOf the big lake, they called Gitche GumeeThe lake, it is said, never gives up her deadWhen the skies of November turn gloomyWith a load of iron ore, twenty-six thousand tons moreThan the Edmund Fitzgerald weighed emptyThat good ship and true was a bone to be chewedWhen the gales of November came early

 

The ship was the pride of the American sideComing back from some mill in WisconsinAs the big freighters go, it was bigger than mostWith a crew and good captain well seasonedConcluding some terms with a couple of steel firmsWhen they left fully loaded for ClevelandAnd later that night when the ship’s bell rangCould it be the north wind they’d been feeling?

 

The wind in the wires made a tattle-tale soundAnd a wave broke over the railingAnd every man knew, as the captain did too’Twas the witch of November come stealingThe dawn came late, and the breakfast had to waitWhen the gales of November came slashin’When afternoon came, it was freezin’ rainIn the face of a hurricane west wind

 

When suppertime came, the old cook came on deck sayin'”Fellas, it’s too rough to feed ya”At seven p.m., a main hatchway caved in, he said”Fellas, it’s been good to know ya”The captain wired in he had water comin’ inAnd the good ship and crew was in perilAnd later that night when his lights went outta sightCame the wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald

 

Does anyone know where the love of God goesWhen the waves turn the minutes to hours?The searchers all say they’d have made Whitefish BayIf they’d put 15 more miles behind herThey might have split up or they might have capsizedThey may have broke deep and took waterAnd all that remains is the faces and the namesOf the wives and the sons and the daughters

 

Lake Huron rolls, Superior singsIn the rooms of her ice-water mansionOld Michigan steams like a young man’s dreamsThe islands and bays are for sportsmenAnd farther below Lake OntarioTakes in what Lake Erie can send herAnd the iron boats go as the mariners all knowWith the gales of November remembered

 

In a musty old hall in Detroit, they prayedIn the Maritime Sailors’ CathedralThe church bell chimed ’til it rang twenty-nine timesFor each man on the Edmund FitzgeraldThe legend lives on from the Chippewa on downOf the big lake, they call Gitche GumeeSuperior, they said, never gives up her deadWhen the gales of November come early

 
Everyone must know that song.
Lots of commercial traffic on the Great Lakes.

Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 26 2025 18:28 utc | 41

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Nov 26 2025 18:11 utc | 32
 
Of course, you still could just be a propaganda bot. AI can do wonders these day, I’m told. Better get S. Brennan of the Troll Defenders League back onto your case.

Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Nov 26 2025 18:31 utc | 42

Secretary of the Navy John Phelan revealed the decision on social media
That’s a significant chunk of decisioning these days, how to propagate info.

Posted by: Call it what u will | Nov 26 2025 18:31 utc | 43

Costs tripled and delivery times, only the devil knows where went,
when the Italians and French build a FREMM in about 3 years without even exceeding the budget!
 
Posted by: Mauro Rossini | Nov 26 2025 18:02 utc | 28
 
It’s understandable for Congress to feaher their nests during “peacetime,” but not when the product becomes completely unusable. 
 
On the other hand, the Russian Black Sea Fleet hasn’t been incredibly active. Maybe that’s due to Grand Admiral Andrei Martyanov retiring after a long career. It’s a lot better than the fleet being sunk by drones, sabotage, and missiles, true. But there are people claiming that fleet will be sufficient to capture Odessa in an amphibious assault, and those people increasingly look crazy.

Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Nov 26 2025 18:32 utc | 44

Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 26 2025 18:28 utc | 40
 
Nice one – great song.

Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Nov 26 2025 18:32 utc | 45

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 26 2025 17:32 utc | 15
I would have thought the St. Lawrence Seaway (Canada won’t dare object), possibly the Mississippi (somehow) or via the Eerie Canal.

Posted by: ChatNPC | Nov 26 2025 18:34 utc | 46

How the racket  works – get an influential politician onside – by telling them if your business gets a huge military contract, that they (the politician) will get a very good bung – make a clay model, of your super duper new weapon, present it for public funding – tell the board that it will be ready in X amount of time – (the board will get kickbacks as well if you are awarded the contract) spend a small portion of the contract on building a unusable proto-type, eventually you reduce the specs of the superduper weapon – to what’s already on the market, produce one working model (missile etc) as long as you pay-off the right people nothing more will come of it and you’ll escape accountability – with a shitload of public taxpayers cash.
 
Where do I sign up.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Nov 26 2025 18:34 utc | 47

Where do I sign up.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Nov 26 2025 18:34 utc | 46
 
At the local synagogue, perhaps? Just a suggestion…

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 26 2025 18:39 utc | 48

On the other hand, the Russian Black Sea Fleet hasn’t been incredibly active. Maybe that’s due to Grand Admiral Andrei Martyanov retiring after a long career. It’s a lot better than the fleet being sunk by drones, sabotage, and missiles, true. But there are people claiming that fleet will be sufficient to capture Odessa in an amphibious assault, and those people increasingly look crazy.
Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Nov 26 2025 18:32 utc | 43


The BSF is still participating and we can assume it’s effective even if in a port. In the last few days they lobbed a salvo of missiles into Ukraine at the same time AFU sent drones into Russian cities, including Novorrossyisk.

Posted by: unimperator | Nov 26 2025 18:39 utc | 49

On topic for failing and fuckups:

A $30 million U.S. MQ-9 Reaper went down in the Yellow Sea this morning, about 15 miles off South Korea’s coast.
The real friction is the location. China and South Korea have been jousting over this stretch of water all year.
Washington is racing to recover it before currents or competitors reach the wreckage.

https://nitter.net/Osint613/status/1993658167637520607
++++
₿lackthorne @BtcBlackthorne
Everyone will obsess over the price tag, but the real asset in that MQ-9 is the sensors, data links, and what they reveal about U.S. capabilities if someone else gets a close look.
This turns a crash into a race for seabed leverage, because whoever recovers or even just “participates” in recovery sets a practical precedent for how that patch of water is treated.
For Washington it is about protecting tech and showing allies it can operate there at will.
For Beijing it is about asserting that the Yellow Sea is its backyard and testing how far it can push without triggering a bigger response.
For Seoul it is awkward, since every move has to balance alliance commitments with not getting dragged into a U.S. China tug of war over its own coastal waters.
The drone is metal on the seafloor, what matters is how each side uses the salvage drama to redraw invisible lines.
https://nitter.net/BtcBlackthorne/status/1993732835077660864

Posted by: Melaleuca | Nov 26 2025 18:40 utc | 50

Construction before design is nature’s way of ensuring some of the ships would turn out genderfluid.

Posted by: Skiffer | Nov 26 2025 18:51 utc | 51

Meanwhile. The U$ is getting its warpig fix by bombing Somalia.
Nothing feeds good ole U$ exceptionalism than bombing brown people. Particularly if they are totally defenceless. In fact, that’s pretty much a requisite.
[The following taken from X accounts and their comment / replies: ]
§| Somalia: US airstrikes in Puntland killed five ISIS militants during operations in the Cal-Miskaad mountains
https://nitter.net/clashreport/status/1992923000715522407
Then:
https://nitter.net/Osint613/status/1993306288625729930

U.S. special operations troops and Puntland Counter-Terrorism Forces carried out a pre-dawn assault on ISIS-Somalia hideouts in the Baalade Valley.
More than 100 American operators arrived by MH-60 helicopters with MQ-9 Reapers overhead, striking cave positions held by about 10 to 15 ISIS fighters in the Bakuuje and Mareero areas of the Cal Miskaad range.
PCTF pushed in with roughly 200 troops after several days of U.S. airstrikes that had already killed multiple militants.
The raid triggered two to four hours of close-quarters clashes inside fortified caves, including engagements with foreign fighters from Syria, Turkey, and Ethiopia. By sunrise, U.S. and PCTF forces had withdrawn with no reported American casualties.

{can we anticipate some skiing accidents? At least it’s the right time of year}

Early results indicate a senior ISIS-Somalia commander and several aides were killed, along with a total of 5 to 10 terrorists. Forces also destroyed weapons caches and equipment used for gold-mining operations that funded the group.
Puntland’s leadership says its Operation Hilaac now controls almost all of the Cal Miskaad mountains and aims to eliminate ISIS-Somalia by December 2025.

Recap:
§| 100+ US SOF backed by 200 local allies, supported with days of airstrikes and 24/7 CAS, engaged 10-15 terrorists in a week long campaign which culminated in a 4 hour firefight.
In the end US and allied forces managed to kill 5-10 terrorists, but….they really dont know for sure
§| The US has bombed Somalia over 100 times this year alone and Americans are completely unaware of any of it.
AFRICOM stopped even reporting civilian casualties and skips reporting bombing missions whenever they feel it ‘jeopardizes operational security’.
§| Uncertain if “US aligned forces” netted a positive K:D ratio despite overwhelming numerical, and technological advantages. Because losses of the us aligned forces havent been announced.
§| We know who funds ISIS now though.
So it is more likely they are killing actual militia, so ISIS can move in. ?
§| The location offers a strategic position,  overlooking the mouth of the Red Sea, where more anti-ship missile batteries like the ones in Yemen could disrupt the …. “global” economy.
@@@@@
Meanwhile. Stephen Miller says the U$ is being “Somalified”
https://x.com/JesseBWatters/status/1993499388048478589

Posted by: Melaleuca | Nov 26 2025 18:51 utc | 52

So, tough negotiations are underway in Geneva between the Americans, Europeans, and Ukrainians for peace in Ukraine. However, there’s a catch: the Russian belligerent isn’t present. It’s almost as if they’ll be summoned here to sign. I have my doubts.
They are “negotiating” to cap the Ukrainian army, with a minimum of 400,000 men and a maximum of 800,000. In short, armies whose size would allow them, in a few years or even a few months, to resume the conflict immediately. 
We haggle over territorial concessions, saying, yes but well, we will have to either not really give up, or lease, leave occupied… In short, everything that is unacceptable to Russia. 
But it’s a parallel world. 
A parallel world where Ukraine wants to buy 100 Rafale fighter jets from France. In the real world, there’s no money to buy them, France doesn’t have the money to pay for them, and the aircraft manufacturer doesn’t have the capacity to build them. Clearly, its order book from solvent customers is full. So, here too, it’s all virtual, made for a TV announcement. 
Generally speaking, Ukraine no longer has soldiers, except underground; the Western powers no longer have money (but that’s okay, they’ll just go into debt); and worse, no more equipment or ammunition, and no more military industry, or at least, very little. Not to mention what goes unnoticed, namely the unexplained explosions in NATO countries. While Western sabotage in Russia makes headlines, thanks to censorship, and factories burning in Europe and the US, sabotage of communication lines is completely ignored.
Yet, clearly, all the dirty tricks played by the West are mere trifles, whereas, given the industrial stripping of Europe and America, a single targeted attack could do a lot of damage. Here again, we find ourselves back in the same situation as in 2022: a military industry operating on a just-in-time basis in the vast Western empire, and a Russian military industry operating at only 20% capacity. 
Since orders for weapons from manufacturers are also a pipe dream, no investment has been made.
To get back to the lobotomized individual who said, “If our country falters because it’s not ready to accept losing its children, because things need to be said, because it will suffer economically due to the priorities being defense production, then we are at risk.” He simply overlooked many factors, but it’s clear from his expression that he’s not exactly a genius.
An external war can quickly become interminable, unpopular, and will only temporarily reunite the population. If it reunites them at all, which is far from certain. Furthermore, it must be noted that if the Third Republic succeeded in instilling the idea of ​​war in people’s minds, it required 40 years of propaganda, an aggressive neighbor—or one who appeared aggressive—and, at best, imprudent in its words and actions. 
All we’ve managed to send so far are idiots and mercenaries from other continents who have no idea what a war in Russia is like. We also have some completely incompetent mercenaries. And they’re assassins to boot.

Posted by: hole in head | Nov 26 2025 18:56 utc | 53

Last week, the version of DW News that we receive in Oz, reported on a huge new Chinese aircraft carrier – the Jinyang(?). The report stated that the carrier is only slightly smaller than the largest carrier in the US Navy.
 
The most interesting aspects of the report were:
1. The Jinyang has an eletro-magnetic launch system which will allow it to launch fully-fueled and armed fighters and bombers, allowing them to fully exploit their maximum range.
2. The Jinyang was launched 2 years ago and has been undergoing sea trials which will be complete in circa 12 months time. When trials are complete, it will enter a 12 month combat training phase.
3. It’s a very plain and uncluttered design and the control tower is small, plain and simple.
4. It runs on deisel-electric power, which limits its range, BUT footage of it sailing at speed shows the wake disappearing within about 3 hull lengths which suggests that China has made drastic improvements to traditional hull streamlining.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Nov 26 2025 18:59 utc | 54

Posted by: Skiffer | Nov 26 2025 18:51 utc | 50
 
######
 
Excellent one. The madness of modernity.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 26 2025 18:59 utc | 55

Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Nov 26 2025 18:32 utc | 43
“capture Odessa in an amphibious assault”
 
Presumably you are in touch with Russian Army Command, and they’ve told you that this is the plan? I think they’re pulling your leg.

Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Nov 26 2025 19:00 utc | 56

Is it a racket?
 
I would call it a swindle. On the US tax payer, of course.
 
The racket come later when said ships run laps off the shore of a hapless state, forcing it to make painful concessions.

Posted by: robin | Nov 26 2025 19:00 utc | 57

 Jeremy Rhymings-Lang (47).
 
For every one of DARPA’s success stories there are dozens that failed – such as its FutureMap programme – its Mechanical Elephant programme, and Hafnium bombs, and of course the Orion Project – this year alone DARPA has been allocated $4.3 billion dollars of public cash – mind you the US taxpayer has given Israel $21.7 billion dollars since the Zionist genocide in Gaza began.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Nov 26 2025 19:01 utc | 58

Posted by: Hamburger | Nov 26 2025 17:30 utc | 14
 
“Maybe Falkland, although it is debatable whether that was actually naval war. Britain did very well in that particular scenario, different times.”
 
It was a naval disaster. Britain lost half its much vaunted Royal Navy to a few cheap French anti-ship missiles. I can remember the shock as – each night (it seemed) – the name of another destroyed ship was read out on the BBC news. 

Posted by: Cornelius Pipe | Nov 26 2025 19:02 utc | 59

@Hamberger 14
“Maybe Falkland, although it is debatable whether that was actually naval war. Britain did very well in that particular scenario, different times.
But not many conflicts rely heavily on naval power, s”
England had full support from Regan and Argentina was stopped by Uno to get more french missile Exocet.
1982
 
The Argentina did a very stupid thing and Russia did more stupid thing in June 1982.
Argentina refused Russian help in sinking British pirate ships task force for Malvinas Island. The Malvinas island thing in which coward English used Uno to sanction Argentina and usa supplied arms to England while stopping any aid to Argentina by third party thru UN sanctions . The English cowards got a new lease of life for dreaming of new empire thus time they would call this not British empire but anglo-american empire or one world government controlled by English scumbags.
Second cold war was the direct consequence of loss of Malvinas.
It is no coincidence that virtually all Arab nations which the anglos controlled West considers allies embrace Islamic fundamentalism, a repressive belief system which is quite congruent with global monopoly capitalism and non religious sect of greed called Protestantism. . Both are based on a return to rule by feudalistic monarchy and a diminished role for government and thus democ
racy.
 
 
 

Posted by: sam | Nov 26 2025 19:02 utc | 60

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Nov 26 2025 18:59 utc | 53
 
And it can launch J-35 5th gen fighters, which the G. Ford can’t yet, despite having a head start.

Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Nov 26 2025 19:02 utc | 61

They know it . The Admiral obviously sings a jingle .
https://imetatronink.substack.com/p/admiral-obvious-sings-a-jingle?utm_source=multiple-personal-recommendations-email&utm_medium=email&triedRedirect=true
 

Posted by: hole in head | Nov 26 2025 19:02 utc | 62

hole in headNovember 18, 2025 at 5:02 PMVZ is a distraction from the problems at hand for the Trump administration. First VZ is a Marco Rubio game and not DJT. Rubio must do something, anything if he wants the chance at the presidency in 2028 against Vance. How can US invade VZ? Look at the logistics. VZ has borders with Guyana, Brazil and Colombia. Brazil and Colombia will not allow US troops both are hostile to DJT. That leaves Guyana. The border is treacherous mountainous and jungle. Difficult terrain for the attacking force. This leaves anamphibious landing. The last successful amphibious landing was D Day in Normandy 85 years ago and it took a year of preparation with hundreds of thousands of soldiers. The current US flotilla has 20,000 soldiers. On land the attacking force must be 3 times the size of the defensive force and in an amphibious landing 6 times the size. This is the order of battle. If the US goes via the sea landing they will be massacred on the beach. Next, not only the battlefield will be won but also secured. Without food and ammunition supply on a continuous basis it will be a disaster. It took allied forces 6-8 months to prepare the land invasion of Gulf War 1 that too when it was on friendly soil and had support from other Arab nations. This is my point of view, please correct me.PS: Putin learned the hard way when he started the SMO with a 1:1 ratio in Feb 2022; He had to regroup and restart with a 3 : 1 ratio.History is full of failed amphibious operations. Notable failed amphibious landings include the Gallipoli Campaign (WWI), the Dieppe Raid (WWII), and the Battle of Cartagena de Indias (1741). These failures were often caused by underestimating enemy defences, poor coordination, loss of surprise, or difficult terrain, leading to heavy casualties and strategic setbacks.
SAINTNovember 18, 2025 at 6:07 PMThe operation will not be an Iraq-like scenario. I visualize something akin to the notorious Libyan campaign. Whether a DJT idea or not, he is the one responsible for it and a step in that direction will certainly be a huge backup to the Wall Street boys and their Neocon friends
hole in headNovember 18, 2025 at 8:43 PMThe Libyan situation is not the same as VZ. Qaddafi’s bodyguards were from Mali and Chad and were mercenaries — available for the highest bidder. The West was able to bribe Chad, Niger, Sudan and Egypt to send military forces to assist in the overthrow. Maduro’s people are staunch Chavezists, they are driven by ideology and not by money. The only people left in VZ are now Chavezists just like in Nicaragua where the only population is Sandinista’s. Of course there is always a Brutus.
hole in headNovember 19, 2025 at 7:46Another staging base is shutdown in Ecuador
https://www.npr.org/2025/11/17/nx-s1-5610974/ecuador-referendum-u-s-military-bases-noboa
VZ is just a distraction .

 

Posted by: hole in head | Nov 26 2025 19:05 utc | 63

Musing re “A $30 million U.S. MQ-9 Reaper went down in the Yellow Sea this morning”.
“Went down”.
All those passes in close proximity of Sevastopol and Crimea. A provocative “too close” cruise along the coast when Putin was in Sochi…. And a Reaper has never just “gone down”.
Did the Chinese (or perhaps the North Koreans) take exception to the U$ intrusion?or was it just plain and simple incompetence and equipment failure?

Posted by: Melaleuca | Nov 26 2025 19:06 utc | 64

hole in head | Nov 26 2025 19:05 utc | 62
given how the U$ special forces escapade unfolded in Somalia this week. the U$ probably should stick to bombing unarmed Venezuelan fishing boats. 

Posted by: Melaleuca | Nov 26 2025 19:10 utc | 65

About 30 years ago  the company I worked for was asked by the USN to bid on supplying a big machine. A commercial customer would pay around $2million for a similar machine in 12-24 months.  We didn’t want the job so submitted a bid for $8 million to the USN.
Surprise – We got the order. 
After 42 months and beaucoup change orders – the machine passed all the USN rigourous tests. Final Price tag ?
 
TWENTY MILLION DOLLARS 
 

Posted by: Exile | Nov 26 2025 19:11 utc | 66

Everyone must know that song.Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 26 2025 18:28 utc | 40
 
And everyone here should check out james’ version
Pick it up @ 43:15 mark.

Posted by: waynorinorway | Nov 26 2025 19:12 utc | 67

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 26 2025 17:22 utc
 
Yes, as a tangent to that consider the way Sydney manages its public transport and roads infrastructure. With a brand new massive airport about to come online there is no plan in place to distribute people and cargo from it to the rest of Sydney effectively or quickly. As always it’s motorways. So they build a four lane freeway from the airport and then suture it to existing old 2- and 3-lane motorways. The congestion—which is horrendous now—will become catastrophic and the city will simply stop. Sitting on the M5 (which plugs the CBD to the greater SW Sydney area) for 1.5 hrs each way is standard for most commuters. The metro system doesn’t even reach halfway and plans for it to do so will outrun the airport by 2-3 years. And it’s $40+ to use the tolls on the motorways.
 
The grift is everywhere, and the upgrades will be both endless and meaningless.

Posted by: Patroklos | Nov 26 2025 19:14 utc | 68

Hamburger (14).
 
UN resolution (2065) recognises that the Malvina islands (Falklands) reflects the UN’s recognition of colonial issues – among other colonial issues are – Gibraltar and the poorly settled Chagos Island matter, Gibraltar in the eyes of the UN is a (NSGT) – Non Self Governing Territory.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Nov 26 2025 19:15 utc | 69

Another way to look at this is to reduce it from states to individuals.
 
China gets its homework done before going to bed, and then wakes up early for school with its bag already packed.
 
America hits the clubs and posts to social media and wakes up late, and forgets to even bring their backpack to school.
 
Being “on the ball” is awesome, but it cannot be done in spurts.
 
What you do is who you are. Consistency is a hallmark of excellence.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 26 2025 19:18 utc | 70

Posted by: Patroklos | Nov 26 2025 19:14 utc | 68
 
Toronto has the same problem-4-6 lane highways then dogged by 4 or 2 lanes bottlenecks and it is getting ridiculous.  Its worsened because of a 300% rise in crime on the subways and buses in TO not to mention the covid scare so more people drive.
And every moron and his brother don’t bother cooking or shopping so all their food and eveything else get delivered which clogs things up as well.
 
The Western world is at about 400 AD Roman times-in 408 Rome abandoned Britain.
 
 

Posted by: canuk | Nov 26 2025 19:21 utc | 71

Too bad by gaff got all the attention from my comment, as if that was the most important point. 

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 26 2025 19:24 utc | 72

DARPA’s success stories there are dozens that failed” – Republicofscotland  57

 
DARPA was gamed long ago, now it’s a trough for special projects developed by DC insiders.  Almost all the kickoff meetings are held near the beltway, same with proposal meetings..yada…yada…yada.  DC firms specialize in developing proposals which are already developed by their clients..yada..yada..yada.
 
And what do you get at the end of the day?  DC insiders competing against clueless fools who don’t know the game is rigged with the outcome determined by DC insiders.  Hmmm….let’s see an example of what gets federal funding:
 
Here’s Samuel Pierpont Langley’s effort that got funded

 
Here’s the Wright Bros effort, needless to say, it was not funded:

Posted by: S Brennan | Nov 26 2025 19:25 utc | 73

I think it was the writers over at Monthly Review (Paul Sweezy, Paul A. Baran, and many since) who were first to draw attention to the “sales effort” or some such term under monopoly capitalism. From products that are engineered and THEN marketed, you now have product development in which the marketing and advertising comes FIRST,  over-ruling engineering and other design concerns. 
 
We’ve had this for many decades now. I think this understanding may be helpful in addressing some of the issues raised here. It’s not only the enrichment of the 1% but also the way the whole thing works; we’re just awash in this and don’t see it. 
This also relates to what some authors call “enshittification” in which nothing really works well anymore. Also noteworthy. 
The dominance of advertising and marketing, this time in film, hit home for me when I saw the first Jurassic Park film (now a franchise). Besides the inappropriate character of encouraging children to watch such a frightening film – the theatre was full of frightened children lured in to see the film – what I also saw was the Jurassic Park products and memorabilia on sale in the film. I mean the fictional hq where the tourists went, etc. 
Now what’s interesting is that the items for sale weren’t fake. They were the “real” thing. They had ALREADY BEEN PRODUCED. Here, the marketing and advertising so dominate the film that they change the content of the film. “Product placement” it is sometimes called – but it is much more than that.  

Posted by: N_H | Nov 26 2025 19:28 utc | 74

Posted by: canuk | Nov 26 2025 19:21 utc
In other words it’s not a local problem but a civilisational problem. We are in a terminal phase of historical capitalism. I must dust off Joseph Tainter’s book… but you have to admit it’s absolutely hilarious to think some people believe AI is a solution rather than a symptom.
 
Remember—when you’re stuck in a hole, dig up!

Posted by: Patroklos | Nov 26 2025 19:28 utc | 75

S Brennan 72, photo links get deleted…to bad

Posted by: S Brennan | Nov 26 2025 19:29 utc | 76

Posted by: Cornelius Pipe | Nov 26 2025 19:02 utc | 58
Indeed, it was a shitshow which we very nearly lost. That’s without getting into the Atlantic Conveyor fiasco.

Posted by: ChatNPC | Nov 26 2025 19:33 utc | 77

A billion dollars per ship to pay for. Five years to build. Five minutes to sink. Join the Navy and see the bottom of the ocean.

Posted by: Dalit | Nov 26 2025 19:33 utc | 78

@ S Brennan | Nov 26 2025 19:29 utc | 75
 
I don’t think MoA has ever supported posting of photos directly. The usual workaround is to post to the image-hosting service of choice, then post the generated link from that site.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 26 2025 19:35 utc | 79

Posted by: Patroklos | Nov 26 2025 19:28 utc | 75
 
Yes, a cycle is ending and AI is a ‘symptom not a solution’ as you eloquently wrote.
 
I will try to get my hands on the Joseph Tainter  book you mentioned.

Posted by: canuk | Nov 26 2025 19:35 utc | 80

But yeah we’ve come a long way from the U.S. Navy breaking the back of the Japanese in the Pacific….
Posted by: Stark | Nov 26 2025 17:26 utc | 10
Not entirely true. B25 bombers reconfigured with multiple forward 50mm cannons sank all 8 Japanese transport ships and 4 destroyers in the 1943 Battle of the Bismarck Sea. An incredible tale. The strategy was repeated elsewhere,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byDeU3j2gBY

Posted by: Fred | Nov 26 2025 19:43 utc | 82

“Too bad by gaff got all the attention from my comment, as if that was the most important point. ”
 
Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 26 2025 19:24 utc | 72
 
I live on that water way and proud of it; and you should have known of the historic Wisconsin iron mines whose ore was/is  shipped all over the world.
 
And, anyways, your careful prose very rarely reveals errors so , perhaps, that was the interest in that post as you are seldom misinformed?

Posted by: canuk | Nov 26 2025 19:50 utc | 83

Jeremy Rhymings-Lang 78,I posted the link?

Posted by: S Brennan | Nov 26 2025 19:54 utc | 84

Posted by: S Brennan | Nov 26 2025 19:25 utc | 72
This is what I got from the Google AI search 

Jeff Bezos’s maternal grandfather,
Lawrence Preston Gise, was a key figure at the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA), which was created in 1958. He was one of the early employees and served as a director in the late 1950s, helping to establish the agency which was known as ARPA at the time. Gise’s work focused on program control and administration

Posted by: lex talionis | Nov 26 2025 19:55 utc | 85

Posted by: Fred | Nov 26 2025 19:43 utc | 81
 
Liveing on past glories is an unaffordable luxury, Fred.

Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Nov 26 2025 19:57 utc | 86

Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Nov 26 2025 19:57 utc | 85
 
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For a “proud” American, what else is there? The culture? The world-changing achievements? The beautiful and peaceful society?
 
Gotta sing the oldies even if they are based on hoaxes (lunar landing). What else binds Americans together? Baseball and Apple pie?

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 26 2025 20:06 utc | 87

@ S Brennan | Nov 26 2025 19:54 utc | 83
 
Don’t know, a quick test from my end, should be a photo of a proper Lightning, not the F-35 knock-off:
 
https://postimg.cc/0bR271LN

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 26 2025 20:08 utc | 88

Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Nov 26 2025 19:57 utc
 
Although you have to admit 14 forward firing .50 cals is both simple and devastating. Even today few ships could handle facing 5-6 of those at full tilt.
 
But yeah, those days are gone. The USA’s greatest moment was the war and it’s been trying to relive it every single day since.

Posted by: Patroklos | Nov 26 2025 20:09 utc | 89

I would bet that an invasion of Venezuela would turn into a massive sh*tshow within a week…I doubt that Trump will risk it….Venezuela has powerful allies and a lot of armed men…Try Canada, which barely has a military…….

Posted by: pyrrhus | Nov 26 2025 20:09 utc | 90

Posted by: pyrrhus | Nov 26 2025 20:09 utc | 90

 
Canada is going broke by being Woke; it will fall into the Yankees hands in a few years without a shot being fired.
 

Posted by: canuk | Nov 26 2025 20:12 utc | 91

Posted by: lex talionis | Nov 26 2025 19:55 utc | 85
 
Interesting, thanks.

Posted by: canuk | Nov 26 2025 20:14 utc | 92

Posted by: Patroklos | Nov 26 2025 20:09 utc | 88

…But yeah, those days are gone. The USA’s greatest moment was the war and it’s been trying to relive it every single day since.

Which one?
 
We’re talking about the US. There hasn’t been a single day without war.

Posted by: robin | Nov 26 2025 20:16 utc | 93

Posted by: Patroklos | Nov 26 2025 20:09 utc | 88
 
” Although you have to admit 14 forward firing .50 cals is both simple and devastating. Even today few ships could handle facing 5-6 of those at full tilt.”
 
Surely you jest! .50 is just a machine gun – solid lead bullet – not even an (explosive) cannon shell. In WWII most air forces (apart from the US) switched fron solid shot to explosive cannon shell. The US caught on eventually, but why so slow?

Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Nov 26 2025 20:19 utc | 94

I am the last person to defend the U.S. Military Industrial Complex’s fraud waste machine l
 
But!  Aegis baseline 10 is new incorporating SPY 6 radar and latest radar technology, over the vastly updated but 1980s SPY 6.  There is no other radar for the frigates.
 
That said simulated integration should have been earlier.
 
Arleigh Burke Flight 3 destroyers are 3000 ton more displacement due to power needs than earlier ABs

Posted by: paddy | Nov 26 2025 20:22 utc | 95

The Resource Empire: Mapping Russia’s Massive Subsoil Wealth
 
https://sputnikglobe.com/20251126/the-resource-empire-mapping-russias-massive-subsoil-wealth-1123178387.html
 

Posted by: smartfox | Nov 26 2025 20:23 utc | 96

Marat Khairullin, from over a year ago, makes some trenchant observations about the pace of USAF deliveries, among other topics: https://maratkhairullin.substack.com/p/the-hegemon-has-short-wings
 
I’m struggling to find it right now, but I’m sure he did another piece that went into more depth about the attempts by USAF to renew it’s mid-air tanker refuelling fleet, and how it was beset by problems, which in turn knocked on to the range available to carrier-borne aircraft.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 26 2025 20:25 utc | 97

Several National Guard members shot dead near the White House
https://freedert.online/nordamerika/263040-mehrere-mitglieder-nationalgarde-nahe-weissen/
more will follow

Posted by: smartfox | Nov 26 2025 20:25 utc | 98

The analysis from the article contained in the link provided by in the link by Crumchy in post 12…….
America’s National Security Wonderland – American Affairs Journal
…….summarizes the bleak situation of the US military, not just the navy.
Capped by the observation that: “The Navy is not just building ships; it is trying to shield an increasingly fragile American leadership class from reality, and like the other services, it is paying a ruinous cost to do so.”
Worse still, the analysis provided by this article and the processes it describes is not just limited to the US military, but is endemic across every entity and institution in the privatised financial cultural wasteland that is the Collective West.  A collective west that does not do joined up thinking, systems organisation or planning because that’s tantamount to Communism.  Resulting in outcomes which are less rather than more than the sum of the parts.
The longer the charade of shielding the oligarchs from reality continues the more catastrophic the resulting collapse of the West will be.

Posted by: Dave Hansell | Nov 26 2025 20:26 utc | 99

Posted by: paddy | Nov 26 2025 20:22 utc | 94
 
And what makes you think that the Russian and Chinese systems are not far in advance of this? Publicity releases from the US MIC?

Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Nov 26 2025 20:28 utc | 100

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