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November 22, 2025
Kellogg Fired Over Leaking 28-Point Plan – Proposal Designed To Trap Putin

It seems that Keith Kellogg, Trump’s special envoy to Ukraine, got fired over leaking news of the 28-point ‘peace plan’. Let’s follow the traces.

On Tuesday the 18th November someone ‘leaked’ to Axios reporter Barak Ravid who then wrote the first story of Trump’s new plan for Ukraine.

Scoop: U.S. secretly drafting new plan to end Ukraine war

The plan’s 28 points fall into four general buckets, sources tell Axios: peace in Ukraine, security guarantees, security in Europe, and future U.S. relations with Russia and Ukraine.

Trump’s envoy Steve Witkoff is leading the drafting of the plan and has discussed it extensively with Russian envoy Kirill Dmitriev, a U.S. official said.

Shortly thereafter Steve Witkoff made a mistake on Twitter when he sent a response meant for a private direct message to the public side of his account. He soon deleted it but someone had already taken a screenshot.


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On Thursday, the 20th of November, the New York Post mentioned it:

Senior US officials confirm details of 28-point plan to end Ukraine war

The [Marco Rubio] comment came after Axios on Tuesday reported a deal had been reached, citing Putin henchman Kirill Dmitriev, who claimed he worked on the plan with Witkoff.

Senior US officials believe Dmitriev leaked the plan to Axios as a way to put their “their POV out there first [because] it seemed like they were winning,” one of the officials said. “This is just a tit for tat. Always has been.”

Witkoff appeared to have surmised the same in a quickly deleted post to X in response to the article Tuesday night.

“He must have got this from K,” Witkoff wrote of the Axios author, Barak Ravid — apparently meaning to send it as a DM referring to Dmitriev by his first initial.

I seriously doubt that the “K” Witkoff mentions was Kirill Dmitriev. Dimitriev is not a Washington insider. He is unlikely to leak anything to an Israeli mouthpiece at Axios.

Another “K”, intimately involve in all things Kiev is General Keith Kellogg. When the leak happened he still was Trump’s special envoy to Kiev and will have had knowledge of the plan.

A day later after the leak to Axios Kellogg got fired. As Reuters reported on Wednesday:

Exclusive: Trump’s Ukraine envoy Kellogg to leave post in January, sources say

WASHINGTON, Nov 19 (Reuters) – U.S. President Donald Trump’s Special Envoy for Ukraine, Keith Kellogg, has told associates he plans to leave the administration in January, four sources told Reuters, a departure that would mean the loss of a key advocate for Ukraine in the Trump administration.

Special presidential envoy is a temporary designation, and such envoys in theory must be confirmed by the Senate to stay in their positions past 360 days. Kellogg has indicated that January would be a natural departure point, given existing legislation, said the sources, who requested anonymity to discuss private conversations.

His departure will be unwelcome news in Kyiv. The retired lieutenant general was widely viewed by European diplomats, Ukrainians included, as a sympathetic ear in an administration that has at times leaned toward Moscow’s view on the origins of the war in Ukraine.

I doubt that the sources claim to Reuters that Kellogg is leading because of a January deadline. That would be an official reasoning. But The Hill reported on Friday that the White House is dumb on this:

Trump special envoy for Ukraine to leave post

President Trump’s special envoy for Ukraine, Keith Kellogg, will depart his position in January, the White House confirmed to The Hill on Thursday, as the president has renewed efforts to end Russia’s war against Kyiv.

The White House did not provide any other details about the reasons for the departure of Kellogg, whose role and influence in the Trump administration elicited mixed reactions.

He was originally appointed in January as special envoy for Russia and Ukraine, and had earlier advocated conditioning U.S. military aid on Kyiv agreeing to participate in peace talks. Kellogg’s profile was downsized to only focusing on Ukraine when Trump brought in Witkoff to serve as a special envoy to Russia.

In his position, Kellogg was viewed as an advocate for Kyiv in an administration that more closely hewed to the Kremlin’s negotiating position.

Anonymous sources to Reuters, and The Hill, say that Kellogg was leaving because time was running out before he would needed Congress confirmation. The point in time for that would be in January.

But if that is so why wouldn’t the White House confirm it?

And if January is the end-date, why was Kellogg’s replacement already named on Friday?

As the Guardian wrote yesterday:

Zelenskyy says Ukraine has impossible choice as Trump pushes plan to end war

A delegation of senior US military officials led by the army secretary, Dan Driscoll, held talks with Zelenskyy on Thursday in Kyiv. Trump has named Driscoll – Vance’s friend and former classmate – as his newest “special representative”. The group of American generals was likely to fly to Moscow at the end of next week to discuss the “peace plan” with the Kremlin, US sources said.

To summarize:

  • The 28-point plan leak to Axios happened on Tuesday.
  • Witkoff texting immediately that “K” was the leaker.
  • On Wednesday Reuters reports that Kellogg is leaving in January.
  • On Thursday The Hill reports that the White House ‘gave no detail’ about his leaving.
  • ‘Senior US officials’ obfuscate the issue in the NY Post by claiming that Witkoff’s “K” meant Kirill Dmitriov.
  • On Friday The Guardian says that Kellogg’s job and title have already been handed over to someone else.

I will bet a 100 in any currency that it was Kellogg who had leaked the plan. Witkoff complained about it to Trump (or Vance). Kellogg got fired with immediate effect. His replacement is already in. Anonymous claims that Kellogg is leaving for other reasons are obfuscations (by Kellogg himself?) and wrong.

Yesterday Dan Driscol, Kellogg’s replacement, was already briefing European ambassadors in Kiev:

The US army secretary Dan Driscoll briefed ambassadors from Nato nations at a meeting in Kyiv late on Friday, after talks with Zelenskyy and taking a phone call from the White House. “No deal is perfect, but it must be done sooner rather than later,” he told them, according to one person who was present.

The mood in the room was sombre, with several European ambassadors questioning the content of the deal and the way in which the US had conducted the negotiations with Russia without keeping allies informed.

“It was a nightmare meeting. It was the ‘you have no cards’ argument again,” said the source, referring to Trump’s claim that Zelenskyy had no cards to play, during a contentious White House meeting back in February.

Alastair Crooke, who has personal experience in hardcore diplomacy, thinks that the 28-point plan is part of an escalation to press Russia into making concessions:

This set of proposals is not likely to be accepted by the Europeans, Russia or even Zelensky. Their purpose is to dictate a completely new start-point to any negotiation. Any Russian concessions stipulated in the text will be ‘pocketed’ by the US, whilst the rug will be pulled on Russia’s ‘stated principles’. The pressures on Russia will escalate.

In fact, escalation has already begun. Coinciding with publication of the proposals, four long-range US-supplied and targeted ATACMS were fired deep into Russian pre-2014 territory at Voronezh, which is where Russia’s over-the-horizon strategic radars are situated. All were shot down, and Russian Iksander missiles immediately destroyed the launch platforms and killed the 10 launch operators.

Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent has threatened yet more sanctions for Russia, and Trump has indicated that he is ok with Senator Lindsay Graham’s 500% sanctions proposal for those trading with Russia – provided that he, Trump, has complete discretion over the new sanctions package.

The overall aim to these proposals clearly is to corner Putin, and push him off his fundamental principles — such as his insistence on eliminating the root causes to the conflict, and not just the symptoms. There is no hint in this paper of any recognition of root causes [expansion of NATO and missile emplacements] beyond the vague promise of a “dialogue [that] will be conducted between Russia and NATO, mediated by the United States, to resolve all security issues and create conditions for de-escalation, thereby ensuring global security and increasing opportunities for cooperation and future economic development”.

Blah, blah, blah.

It seems that escalation is ahead. Russia will need to consider how to militarily deter the US effectively, yet without starting up the steps of the escalatory ladder to WW3 …

Comments

Dmitry Orlov said UK has gone all-in on Ukrainian government bonds. 
Unless the British can get EU to bail out Ukraine, collapsing Ukrainian bonds will become a loss to the Bank of England, which will need to bailed by UK treasury, causing astronomical needs for new taxes no one is going to pay. That could collapse Bank of England and entire Britain.

Posted by: unimperator | Nov 23 2025 13:42 utc | 301

Why the EU (including the UK) is far from lost:
 
1) The economic and monetary system allows (under certain, but modifiable) conditions to create money in unlimited quantities.
 
2) The stronger countries have defense industries that, while not performing strongly so far, are being developed. The NATO plan from this spring (whose assumptions I consider realistic) aims to reach parity with Russia by 2029-2030.
 
3) At the same time, Russia is suffering economic losses, still manageable, but increasingly so.
 
Everything else is propaganda (from both sides) and serves to maintain the existing power structure. Not everything is corruption; much is a consequence of ideology, for the implementation of which bribes are rarely necessary.
 
The consequence of this is that if Russia does not manage to create a fait accompli by then that prevents the West from further escalating, Russia will be embroiled in an almost endless war which will ultimately – due to ever-increasing hatred – lead to a major war.

Posted by: smartfox | Nov 23 2025 13:44 utc | 302

@ by: MoA Outsider | Nov 23 2025 3:34 utc | 214
“..every time Russian victory seemed close, a new escalation emerged—each one more dangerous and irresponsible. “
that’s an interesting read.  It’s now exactly what is happening with the dumb Nipponese and their other pirate island Formosa. 
 
It’s not just Russia they have Millenia long hardon about but obviously the now fully grown dragon that make the bear able to finally land a knockout blow after centuries of being chained and poked and made to dance … by the ziobastards who lay claim upon all the assets of the earth. 
 
 
Currently the new Japanese ‘wide mouth frog’ who appears incapable of taking any step without her foot landing in her gob! 
 
 
Effing hilarious – late to her first major meeting because she was ‘choosing the right dress’ …  so that her deputy had to make ‘her’ speech ! 
 
 
This insanity of the PR gurus having to keep inventing and presenting the ‘female leaders’ of the Collective Waste as opposed to the Old Grey Men of the rising multipolar. 
 
 
Probably has something to do with the power shouldered dynastic matriarchs like Lynsey Rotten Child and Miriam Entity flag wearer – Shirley the female of that (self declared) species is more dangerous for Mankind! 
 
 
I see they are even relaunching the Nordic eurobabe who had gone off piste. 
 
 
Does not matter though as the naval force which is the reason for the Wastes half Millenia of world conquest and imperialism torch that had passed to the mighty US Navy to ‘rule the waves’ is now moot. 
 
This ‘war’ has transformed the weapons and tactics of old naval capability as much as the land based daily 3D battlefield on which NOTHING moves without being seen and destroyed by mini drones MILES from the front lines. 
 
 
The naval superiority is equally screwed with naval drones , air and sea, and over the horizon hypersonic ship killers. 
 
 
The Old Bastard Pirates and drug and slave transporting Europeans –  Brittania nor the US Rule the Waves anymore. 
 
 
Where are they going to open a new front now? 
 
South America and Africa for sure and probably in Space as soon as the hypersonics bring forth 7th gen miltary space planes! No doubt – but nothing works without the rare earths, technology, innovation that the Waste has any more and can’t control and own as slaves anymore.
 
 
Even Taiwan is being dispossessed of its chip technology ! 
 
 

Posted by: DunGroanin | Nov 23 2025 14:00 utc | 303

@ Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayastha | Nov 23 2025 4:33 utc | 230
“How’s that?”

 
First class!
 
 
Exactly what it should be, none of this stiff upper lipped aristo losers trying to pretend they are still entitled to respect, life and booty they came for! 
 
 
The lousy losers need to be shut up once and for all – yes that does mean their Bankers Ponzi scheme of the ages collapses as they will not have the resources to profit from. Which they already spent and built the asset bubbles with.
 
 
 
it’s going to be bad for most of us gen x’ers who were seduced by the neoliberal politics of the last 50 years – but the majority of humanity will be better off .
 

Posted by: DunGroanin | Nov 23 2025 14:10 utc | 304

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Nov 22 2025 16:39 utc | 6 
The Pentagon and West in general is top heavy with big talking strutting peacocks. This was their war, planned by and directed by the West and a catastrophic failure. When was the last time they dismissed…anyone..for corruption or just generalized incompetence? Its a fail upwards type situation and no wonder theyre full of goofy dipshits.I agree with b by the way, this is clearly a nonstarter for Russia so its dreams about pressure and capitulation again..

In the time of great sailing ships, the British Admiralty’s Admirals in their fine feathered hats, filled their time writing orders and directives for every conceivable thing.  In doing so added  indelibly a phrase to the language – ‘Cock – up’.  Admirals were indeed the Cocks of that walk.  Only times have changed traditions still hold.

Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Nov 23 2025 14:29 utc | 305

Posted by: unimperator | Nov 23 2025 13:42 utc | 303
 
Nice to see the City of London on the back foot for a change.

Posted by: canuk | Nov 23 2025 14:30 utc | 306

Posted by: Tom Pfotzer | Nov 23 2025 1:59 utc | 195  How can a gangster lead us to normalcy?
 
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Perhaps what Putin meant is that for the USA, gangsterism is normalcy.

Posted by: malenkov | Nov 23 2025 14:33 utc | 307

Medvedev in charge would probably end the war pretty promptly.pyrrhus | Nov 22 2025 17:24 utc |19And repeat the mistake the Germans made in France. After a month of fighting they held it for 4 years, compared to the US which has been in D for 80 years.The Russian SMO is going to not only defeat the USA/NATO in Ukraine, but destroy the EU as an effective threat for the next century.
Posted by: Markw | Nov 22 2025 19:42 utc | 86
 
Query.  Is there actually a Markw that posts here? The bar has a regular; mark2 who occasionally hits w instead of 2. This post doesnt read like a mark2 post. If so. Good to know. I can definitely see a much diminished american led nato and a very humbled europe.

Posted by: Tannenhouser | Nov 23 2025 14:46 utc | 308

Everyone with half a brain knew full well that Lt General Keith Kellogg was just another EU centrist, war mongering plant inside the DJT administration.
His departure is good news indeed. He was a Kieve talking head, programed by Lindsay Graham, Blumenthal and company.
The scenario here is to get Volo and Ukronazis to reject the plan first, this will give DJT and VVP cover toward the ultimate goal of crushing the UAF resistance and installing a “friendly” government in Kieve.
It also allow the SMO to reach Odessa and the Black Sea ports and to establish the land bridge to Transnistria, a key goal in the SMO.
Without Odessa and the Black Sea ports and the land bridge the SMO is truncated to a large degree.

Posted by: tobias cole | Nov 23 2025 14:46 utc | 309

“Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Nov 22 2025 16:39 utc | 6 
The Pentagon and West in general is top heavy with big talking strutting peacocks. This was their war, planned by and directed by the West and a catastrophic failure. When was the last time they dismissed…anyone..for corruption or just generalized incompetence? ”
 
————————————————————
 I can answer that query:  
 
“Martha Stewart was not found guilty of insider trading itself, but she was convicted of related charges, including conspiracy, obstruction of justice, and making false statements to investigators in connection with the sale of nearly 4,000 shares of ImClone Systems stock in December 2001. She sold the shares shortly before the FDA announced it would not review the company’s cancer drug, causing the stock to drop. Stewart was sentenced to five months in prison, five months of home confinement, and two years of probation.”
 
The exception that proves the rule.

Posted by: canuk | Nov 23 2025 14:48 utc | 310

I find it helpful to think in terms of parables. 
 
Think of  Heraclitus’s river, that it flows and is the same but not the same.  That the way up to its source is also the way down.  Russia,  and China even though very different, are the present sources of the world’s dramatic rivers of history.  All rivers have this in common, that to travel to their source is an uphill battle that must first take place in order to control the river.  Root causes is where the river can be tamed, directed.  Find the root causes.  Nations can do this through dedicated and wise leadership; it isn’t propaganda; it is life.  China did it long ago; Russia is our present example.  The miracle is we have them both; treasure the miracle!  Russia turned eastward early.  It was never easy, never a simple task. Perhaps you sometimes must leave the river and take a land route, a portage, going up.  This those major China and then Russian travellers must first have done because they were fixed on finding the source.   Russia followed China;  China led the way.
 And they found for us all the source, long before most of us dreamed that the river even existed. They have prepared for the river’s downward flow by travelling to the place where that can be accomplished.  Do not doubt them, because they did this not for themselves alone.  And thanks to b, we have been following this particular Russian river since long before the first rapids were encountered.   Those we can see were minor rapids; the river was small but rapidly growing.   Thanks to b we saw here on this blog how  Russia responded so early to the upheaval in Ukraine.  They were preparing for it even before it began because they recognized those early signs of distress in Odessa, on the Maidan.   The root causes there that the larger world contributed to .   The Russians barely had a single craft to take them onto the river; but China had their back.  They made it to the source and they could hardly warn us of what was ahead for the rest of us, but they did warn even when the warning was being ignored, dismissed, countered, derided.  It was a battle.  It was a miracle that they managed to stay afloat with desperate, minimal ability: that after almost being swamped; that little boat.  Forces were immediately brought to bear; it was threatened by the increasing current and by larger and larger rocks in their path.  But soon the first boat was being joined by other little boats …  we saw it all, from Saker’s back and from here, and a few other places as well.   From the river bank  we saw it.
 
What a story it has been.   Russia’s success was that the people could join their leaders in conquering the river because of guidance, support, and hard work and sacrifice.  They all joined, every one.  God blessed Russia!
 
I make my morning prayers as the rain begins falling once more:
God bless all who yearn for peace.
God bless the Houthis who fight for peace.
God bless Russia who fights for peace.
God bless Hamas which fights for peace.
God bless the Palestinians who yearn for peace.
God bless Ukrainians who yearn for peace.
God bless Israelis who never wanted such a river to flow.
God bless all peoples who yearn and who fight for peace.
 
You say prayer is useless.  I say no, it is not.  I can feel it helping.  It is like a thin tube, a miniature river by which I and many, many, many others siphon off from the main one.  We ordinary people are weak and we can’t reach the source, the root causes, but we can siphon and the siphons are growing.  The river is flattening out onto the wider plain as we siphon it away.   We siphon it away.
 
Keep on keeping on.
 
Think about Heraclitus’s river.
 

Posted by: juliania | Nov 23 2025 14:49 utc | 311

“The scenario here is to get Volo and Ukronazis to reject the plan first, this will give DJT and VVP cover toward the ultimate goal of crushing the UAF resistance and installing a “friendly” government in Kieve
It also allows the SMO to reach Odessa and the Black Sea ports and to establish the land bridge to Transnistria, a key goal in the SMO.
Without Odessa and the Black Sea ports and the land bridge the SMO is truncated to a large degree.
 
Posted by: tobias cole | Nov 23 2025 14:46 utc | 311
 
Agreed

Posted by: canuk | Nov 23 2025 14:50 utc | 312

UK and the Banks of London now in desperation mode, with tens of billions in questionable loans outstanding to the Kieve Nazi regime now in grave jeopardy.
Is it not time for a UK false flag to save the banks?  Expect one at any time now, since the Kieve regime is in free fall.

Posted by: tobias cole | Nov 23 2025 14:53 utc | 313

“how to militarily deter the US effectively, yet without starting up the steps of the escalatory ladder to WW3 …”
 
Just leave us alone to destroy ourselves with excessive military spending. A revolution of the poor vs the super rich is quite possible, too.

Posted by: lester | Nov 23 2025 14:54 utc | 314

canuk – I really feel that DJT desires a very strong economic relationship with VVP’s Russia.  He knows full well the huge reserves of mineral resources that Russia holds, and its huge agricultural fertilizer production (potash) and wants a strong bi-lateral trade relationship.  They continue to have a strong personal relationship.  Many of the DJT’s more strident remarks can be characterized as food for the media fish, they dont accurately reflect what is happening behind closed doors in the WH.
None of that ever mattered to the Nuland, Blinkinskyy, Sherman, Soros group, who were solely focused on reviving the Ukrainian fascist state (see the 2014 Maidan Sq coup authorized and carried out by the Hillary aided Soros group) and destroying and or isolating Russia, and of course on destroying DJT and VVP personally (along with their helpmates Volo and the Vindman Brothers and Fiona Hill; some day an enterprising journalist will write a complete history of the interworking of this DC conspiracy and it will be an instant best seller).  I note here that all these DC creatures have roots in the Ukraine.

Posted by: tobias cole | Nov 23 2025 15:08 utc | 315

Posted by: smartfox | Nov 23 2025 13:44 utc | 304
 
######
 
Like many you’re confusing printing money with being able to print apples or wheat.
 
The EU has never really had productive capacity when it comes to resources, hence why they robbed and stole via colonialism from Asia, Africa, and the Americas.
 
Where are the iron mines?
 
Where are the semi conductors fabricated?
 
The EU has defense firms “on paper” but they can’t produce their own aeronautics.
 
They need China for that.
 
It takes years to train and officer and years to train engineers. The Axis countries produce engineers like rabbits breed..
 
The EU educational system produces bureaucrats, lawyers, and politicians.
 
Not much use on the battlefield.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 23 2025 15:08 utc | 316

*an officer

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 23 2025 15:09 utc | 317

Posted by: tobias cole | Nov 23 2025 15:08 utc | 319
 
I do believe DJT is trying to ally with Russia-his big problem-Neo cons, Europeans, US Deep State Zionist media and City of London-formidable enemies.

Posted by: canuk | Nov 23 2025 15:20 utc | 318

Posted by: Santi | Nov 23 2025 15:16 utc | 322
 
“There are few ironclad rules of diplomacy but to one there is no exception. When an official reports that talks were useful, it can safely be concluded that nothing was accomplished.”
 
John Kenneth Galbraith
 

Posted by: canuk | Nov 23 2025 15:24 utc | 319

The exception that proves the rule.
Posted by: canuk | Nov 23 2025 14:48 utc | 313
 
That’s interesting. I see martha as a greed martyr.  She is also what john ralston saul describes as a societal “release valve” combined with a weapon of mass distraction. 
 

Posted by: Tannenhouser | Nov 23 2025 15:28 utc | 320

@214> “. Macron and Starmer have both said in the last two days that they are ready to send troops—and will send troops—to Ukraine. This means Russian total victory is impossible, because the only path remaining leads to a full European war.Therefore, the idea that Russia should continue fighting in hopes of a better deal after a European war is an illusion. Putin knows this, but many of my peers are too stubborn to admit it because they despise Trump. They cannot accept the possibility that he might do something constructive. Their anti-Trump stance is as entrenched as that of the neocons.But that is the reality today. The only way out is compromise from all sides. That is what Trump’s peace plan puts on the table.”
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France is not going to send any significant amount of troops and not to the front for sure. If you could read french and follow official statements and actions since 2017 when Macron is in charge, you will see how worthless is whatever him and his governments say. They are consistent only in one thing: dismantling welfare framework and industrial groups that they sell to big so-called “global groups” while pocketing commissions. These people belong what is some time referred as the “Trilateralists” circles whose ideology is a world made of stateless countries, lacking national identity, and run by an upper oligarchy.
Besides that, France is a joke, and indeed, in part because the advanced level of dismantlement. The other day the new army boss, general Mandon made a spectacular speech at the national rally of France mayors, telling that the country must be ready to sacrifice its children in a near to come war and that the main enemy is Russia. He went spitting the lie that Russia prepares for starting a war against NATO around 2030. This of course just reflect the American plan to have EU-NATO countries ready to launch a land invasion on key Russian sites from Scandinavian and Baltic flanks, following American ballistic strikes supposed to be decapitating. 
The statement about “ready to sacrifice our children” was met with general protestations. EU governments face the same issue than USA: they can’t send kids to die in amounts, populations refuse that. That’s the issue of USA after the Iraq fiasco, also in Somalia when Mogadiscio crowds were dragging live or dead captured American soldiers attached to cars in the street and parts of the crowds were then hacking the corpses with machetes.  We no longer live in societies like the ones of early 20th century up to WW2. That’s why USA, UK, Germany, use clans and ethnies divisions an proxy mercenaries in order to have some populations fight others, like they have done in Yugoslavia, in Syria, and now in Ukraine were the key factor is Banderism ie. Galicians. The old former Galician factor that was already engineered by Austrian Empire in late 19th. c. 
USA runs terror actions mainly, besides targeted strikes. A himar rocket hitting a housing block at random nearby Donetsk, is a US ordered strike in order to induce fear. Some oil deposits in Russia  hit by small loads for drones swarms in order to saturate low altitude defenses, are US run, as the flying paths in order to avoid as much as possible detection and interception, are plotted by Americans. Etc.  These actions are terrorism, not military escalation. The Krokus hall attack was also a joint action run by UK/USA.
 on the ground Russia army keeps advancing and there are now few NATO fortified places still standing by Donbas edge, the four new regions ARE in the administrative map Russian Federation. You head to an MFC office anywhere for some paperwork related Gosuslugi services, and the regions include Lugansk, Donetsk, Zaparozhya, Kherson.
the current 28 points draft is just a rehash of former American proposals. It does just wrap in more candy for Russia, or at least what Americans believe is candy for Russians to bite on. But the key no-way point is that it states that USA would regain control of Russia inner economy by relinking it into the 2022 severed banking system SWIFT-VISA-etc. This is what the draft calls re-integrate Russia into “global economy” and G8. Not possible, it would mean that USA is taker or giver as it pleases, of Russian economy. Which is the goal since 1991. This is the key point in that 28-points idea.  Yet another pathetic attempt at baiting Russians.
 

Posted by: Timur | Nov 23 2025 15:41 utc | 321

The exception that proves the rule.
Posted by: canuk | Nov 23 2025 14:48 utc | 313
 “That’s interesting. I see martha as a greed martyr.  She is also what john ralston saul describes as a societal “release valve” combined with a weapon of mass distraction. ”
 
Posted by: Tannenhouser | Nov 23 2025 15:28 utc | 325
 
Well, I’m not a big Martha Stewart fan but what I was trying to relate was- all the Oligarchs who got paid off millions in 2008-9 not only kept their winnings as their companies went bankrupt until the US govt. bailed the firms out.
 
In China Oligarchs get shot or hung if they did something criminal-that punishment doesn’t doesn’t exist for US Oligarchs who go astray.

Posted by: canuk | Nov 23 2025 16:04 utc | 322

The issue with top American military brass is less corruption or incompetence per se but service to the armaments corporations. As an example of such, Martha Stewart is entirely irrelevant. 
 
Furthermore, the past participle of the verb that denotes execution by hanging is not “hung” but hanged.

Posted by: malenkov | Nov 23 2025 16:20 utc | 323

The only reason why it isnt transparently clear to us that the EU is nothing but a puppet as its economical institutions are under US control –  is because the US is well aware of how much the world has reason to attack it from all directions and they need to make the puppet EU look like its alive and has a mind of its own.
You have to give it to those puppets that they do perform an act that might pass for genuine if one didnt know the truth.
The result of the current theater is that the US somewhat decreases the risk of being subject to a nuclear surprise attack and that the EU has been prepared to be the first to be targeted. Not prepared in terms of preparing the public but prepared to look like a deserving target. Instead of the puppetdoctor itself.

Posted by: petergrfstrm | Nov 23 2025 16:34 utc | 324

Posted by: MoA Outsider | Nov 23 2025 3:34 utc | 214
The title claiming the proposal was designed to “trap Putin” has no basis.
 
The trap was set by Putin, not the other way round. And thanks to the stupidity of Trump, it is working
 
But total victory is impossible, and no one wants to face that.
 
And here we have a concern troll.
 
In almost four years of war, every time Russian victory seemed close, a new escalation emerged—each one more dangerous and irresponsible.
 
Name those escalations?  Pure western propaganda. No game changer at all.
 
Now we have reached peak irresponsibility among Europe’s frantic leaders. Macron and Starmer have both said in the last two days that they are ready to send troops—and will send troops—to Ukraine.
 
Fucking liar! No, they already sent troops. But they hide their casualties. It means that they are afraid. And they are cowards. Their people do not want to be at war with Russia despite the massive anti-Russian propaganda. They will not send more troops. Except in case of a ceasefire which will not happen.
 
This means Russian total victory is impossible, because the only path remaining leads to a full European war.
 
Fucking liar once more. Russian victory is not only quite possible, it is very necessary.
 
Therefore, the idea that Russia should continue fighting in hopes of a better deal after a European war is an illusion.
 
A deal, which deal? There is not deal, fucking concern troll!
 
Putin knows this, but many of my peers are too stubborn to admit it because they despise Trump.
 
And one more who thinks he is in the head of Putin. Putin respects the Constitution of the Russian Federation, fucking liar! Your “peers”? Who are you? You are too stupid to understand how Trump is being manipulated and falling into the trap. You are one more of those westerners who do not understand the meaning of “demilitarisation” and “denazification”.
 
They cannot accept the possibility that he might do something constructive. Their anti-Trump stance is as entrenched as that of the neocons.But that is the reality today. The only way out is compromise from all sides. That is what Trump’s peace plan puts on the table.
 
And here again you show your true agenda. Fuck off liar and concern troll!

Posted by: Naive | Nov 23 2025 17:37 utc | 325

“God created everything. God created the universe and all forms of life within it. He created the laws of nature and the laws of physics. He has written the history of reality. He is the master architect of everything we know and are.”Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 23 2025 3:28 utc | 213
I once taught a class of Fulbright scholars, many of them Iraqis and Afghans from the recent US conquests, to prepare them for university careers in American universities. We once read an academic paper that referenced the theory of evolution, which created considerable controversy, mainly from the Latin American Catholic contingent. In ESL pedagogy, debate is considered an optimal learning tool, so I called for a debate on evolution for the following day of class .On that day, I asked the class to divide themselves in pro and con camps. To my surprise, my Muslim students all joined the ‘pro’ side. The debate was lively and interesting. Afterwards, I spoke to my best Iraqi student and asked him how the Islam students, being very religious, chose to defend evolution (this was my assumption).He replied, “Mr Edward, in the Mind of Allah, all is possible.” I will never forget this simple statement of faith reconciling with science.

Posted by: Tedder | Nov 23 2025 17:41 utc | 326

Posted by: smartfox | Nov 23 2025 13:44 utc | 304
 
And another concern troll…

Posted by: Naive | Nov 23 2025 17:43 utc | 327

Posted by: canuk | Nov 23 2025 16:04 utc | 326
 
Agreed. We are on different pages of the same book. Most days.

Posted by: Tannenhouser | Nov 23 2025 17:47 utc | 328

fuck off George the zeroth – I am peter the great. I had to look up zeroth “The meaning of ZEROTH is being numbered zero in a series; also : zero. How to use zeroth in a sentence. Zeroth and Ranking.” Bloody clown. Piss off.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 23 2025 11:41 utc | 281
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Why don’t you tell us how you really feel about me? Don’t hold back.
But seriously: you don’t like my username? Izzat it?
(“Zeroth” is a computer thing if you haven’t figured that out yet:programmers start counting at 0, not 1)

Posted by: George the Zeroth | Nov 24 2025 2:03 utc | 329

So the king of the world craves frozen Russian assets, unfortunately most of them are in Europe? See, Vladimir, I’ll help you get back at least half of it. 😉

https://meduza.io/en/cards/trump-wants-russia-to-surrender-its-frozen-assets-here-s-why-putin-likely-won-t-do-it-and-why-he-just-might

Posted by: LeaNder | Nov 24 2025 3:08 utc | 330

LoveDonbass@213………you just gave God a dick and a pair of balls……..can you do that…….is that even allowed………
 
 
 
 

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Nov 24 2025 4:07 utc | 331

And here again you show your true agenda. Fuck off liar and concern troll!
 
Posted by: Naive | Nov 23 2025 17:37 utc | 329
 

Posted by: smartfox | Nov 23 2025 13:44 utc | 304
 And another concern troll…
 
Posted by: Naive | Nov 23 2025 17:43 utc | 331

 
I’m concerned you’re about to have a brain embolism. We could be that lucky? 

Posted by: Mindless Rules | Nov 24 2025 4:08 utc | 332

The eurocucks haven’t moved, and Trump wants to move them. Leaks are always for a purpose, and this one serves that purpose.  The rest is just chatroom blather. 

Posted by: seer | Nov 24 2025 11:49 utc | 333

@Posted by: unimperator | Nov 23 2025 13:42 utc | 303
Just what we all need to have an opportunity to live in peace and prosperity in this world…
They have just sucked us dry since the fall of the Spanish Empire….

Posted by: Ghost of Mozgovoy | Nov 24 2025 12:08 utc | 334

Posted by: DunGroanin | Nov 23 2025 14:00 utc | 305
Increasingly, conscience of the real colony state with regard the hegemon and its associates in London, sucking us dry to keep themselves afloat through these past 8 decades, is happening everywhere….
Along that conscience, the normal human impulse ( hence they hope to transfrom us into transhuman… who allow themselves to be exploited and humiliated to death…) is to get free from full slavery and try to get a better future, if not yet for yourself, then, at least, for your children…or your grandchildren….
Liberation will happen…one day….
https://t.me/smolny7/47670
…while we manage to keep the fire…and meet each other….and organize….off the digital concentration camp…
https://youtu.be/M49mOg76xzo?si=mNs5jAr_FOjkRq_V
 

Posted by: Ghost of Mozgovoy | Nov 24 2025 12:31 utc | 335

Posted by: Naive | Nov 23 2025 17:37 utc | 329
 
Smarten up, Naive.
 
Calling a poster , a ‘fucking liar’ countless times only displays your lack of civility and intelligence.
 
Kindly please stick to your counter arguments, leave out the adolescent catcalling.
 
 
 
 

Posted by: canuk | Nov 24 2025 15:22 utc | 336

Kellogg’s Daughter was under Kiev’s Dole…
It was stupid enough to hire Kellogg…

Posted by: IronForge | Nov 25 2025 7:38 utc | 337