Hard Bass School – Slavic Lives Matter
I find Russian hard bass music quite informative as to what the kids think in their homeland about their current situation.

Posted by: lex talionis | Nov 23 2025 2:27 utc | 204

Regardless, Muppets focus on me (whom they do not and cannot know), not on the discussion. Is it because they have so little to say, so little conviction in what they have already said? If one can only see things in one dimension, then they will often be found wanting in strategic discussions.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 22 2025 19:17 utc | 70
 
Such incredible gaslighting and lack of self awareness …. if you are even human. It is YOU who rarely focusses on topical discussion and more often goes ad hominem. 90% of your posts infer that others are more stupid than you.
 
But oh yes, we DO KNOW YOU, through so much of your waffle here.
 
And YOUR singular dimension is Islamic Supremism. Everything else in your worldview is subordinate to that.
 

Posted by: Get Real | Nov 23 2025 2:46 utc | 206

lex talionis | Nov 23 2025 2:27 utc | 203
 
Deadend meaningless crap. Much better can be found in Russia.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 23 2025 3:07 utc | 208

People who have read Scott Adams’ Win Bigly* understand Trump’s actions. I’ll try to summarize. Trump inherited a Republican party full of neocons (i.e. fascists), and a base which still conflated ‘Russia’ and ‘Soviet Union’. The MSM was all in for the gri..er, the noble history of Ukraine. So it was not possible for Trump to go in, and say “Vlad is right, we should let them achieve their objectives”, any more than it is possible to turn an aircraft carrier on a dime. 
He had to speak his base’s language first, so he came out with all his sanctions and weapons releases and dropping bombs on Iran. Adams called this ‘pacing’ – marching along with the base so they feel ‘in sync’ with you. Only then can you take the second step – leading – where you draw them into a different direction, like telling Z to surrender. Of course , he’s not so transparent as to do it in one fell swoop, which is why some are confused by his ‘back and forth’. 
So he sends out this silly plan knowing it’s DOA and also knowing that the ‘intelligentsia’ will run around in a frenzy trying to debate every single one of the 28 points, and wasting their energy that way, while Vlad keeps pounding away on the ground. He’s cut the EU out of the process completely, and he’s thrown Z on the defensive on both the military and political fronts. 
This is a win for Trump. His donors get the benefit of all the MIC spending, and it looks like the EU is going to pay through the nose for US LNG. That’s good for the US economy. He gets payback on Z for colluding with the Democrats during the impeachment trial. He exposes how weak the Three Stooges (Stammer, Micron, Schmerz) are in reality, and must be chuckling that they are all facing right wing populist pushback against their policies. 
I’m sure Trump also knows the US economy is broken beyond repair, thanks to the Fed, and I’m not sure if he’s just trying to extend and pretend for another decade or actually trying to fix it. I guess we’ll find out. 
* Sub-title: Persuasion in a world where facts don’t matter
 

Posted by: FrankDrakman | Nov 23 2025 3:08 utc | 210

Organic | Nov 23 2025 3:08 utc | 208
 
An understanding of history is required.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 23 2025 3:17 utc | 212

The title claiming the proposal was designed to “trap Putin” has no basis. Putin has said plainly that the plan could serve as a foundation for a final resolution of the conflict. The plan states that “a dialogue will be conducted between Russia and NATO, mediated by the United States, to resolve all security issues and create conditions for de-escalation, thereby ensuring global security and increasing opportunities for cooperation and future economic development.”
This is compelling because the United States is the primary military and geopolitical force behind NATO. Here is Trump placing himself and the U.S. government as the sole mediator between NATO and Russia. It looks more like Trump laying down a final “red line” to the Europeans and to Zelensky—essentially saying, “enough is enough,” it is time to stop fighting, cut losses, and move on.
This new proposal or peace plan from Trump’s team is of major importance, and it is likely to succeed. Why? Because of the timing. It must be approved quickly—not in six months, but now. “Now” meaning Trump’s deadline of Thanksgiving, the 24th of this month.
Maximum pressure has been applied to Zelensky. His initial response, as everyone saw, was a firm “no.” But his later remarks show a shift. He has admitted publicly, on Ukrainian television, that Ukraine is under enormous pressure from its key ally—the United States. That admission prepares the ground for him to sign the document within the given timeframe.
Why does that matter? Because it removes Europe from the equation entirely. It sidelines domestic U.S. critics—the neocons, Marco Rubio, and others hostile to Trump. If Ukraine accepts the plan, it is essentially game over. After that, negotiators can refine the points at whatever pace they choose. These are talking points, not final treaty provisions. They outline a direction rather than a complete agreement. And while critics focus on Trump’s business mindset, or on Witkoff’s lack of diplomatic experience, or on supposed “incompetence,” they miss what the plan is actually designed to do.
The naysayers are intentionally misunderstanding it.
Consider even the more unusual features—such as giving the United States the leading role in reinvesting funds from various sources, including roughly one hundred billion dollars or euros from frozen assets, presumably Ukrainian. These funds would finance reconstruction. The U.S. would oversee and likely allocate this money. What does that accomplish? It brings corporate America on board. That gives Trump a powerful lever against domestic opposition. Under this structure, American companies would receive a major share of reconstruction contracts.
There is even the audacity of saying Europe will invest a hundred billion euros, also supervised by the United States, with profits flowing to the United States. It is an in-your-face gesture toward Europe, but it reflects the real balance of power and the statements made since the beginning.
On Euronews yesterday morning, the first reaction was outright rejection—because the plan is seen as Ukrainian capitulation to Russian terms. That reaction is based solely on the territorial provisions: Ukraine would give up parts of Donbas not yet fully captured by Russia, which Europeans find deeply offensive. Ukraine would also acknowledge—de facto, though not de jure—the Russian possession of Donbas and Crimea for the next hundred years. Europe sees this as surrender.
But that is only one piece of a much larger plan to reorder security across the whole of Europe. This has been Russia’s core interest from the beginning. The 28-point plan enshrines ideas such as non-aggression pacts between Russia, Europe, and the United States, and renewed NATO-Russia dialogue to de-escalate the confrontation now spiralling out of control.
European opposition to the plan is not “Europe,” but the 24 leaders who depend on perpetual crisis to stay in power. Von der Leyen, Macron, Scholz, and Meloni are, in their own way, equivalent to Zelensky in rump Ukraine and Netanyahu in Israel. Like Netanyahu and Zelensky, they are willing to destroy their region to remain in office. They do not represent the interests of Europeans, Ukrainians, or the continent as a whole. It is no surprise they are determined to block this plan.
But if Trump succeeds—and he is holding a loaded political revolver to Zelensky’s head—then Europe’s leaders will lose, and the European peoples will win. These leaders will be swept from office, as the entire foundation of their policies will have collapsed.
Consider the political capital European leaders have invested for years. It is now undeniable: the greatest enemy of Ukraine has become the very people who pretended to support it—those who blocked every peaceful offramp and pushed escalation that only harmed Ukraine.
It should not surprise anyone that Trump wants to neutralize European leaders. He has no love for NATO or endless U.S. payments to EU states. He has spent months saying the EU is “worse than China.” He knows many European leaders openly supported Biden, to the point of what was essentially election interference—recall the British case. At the end of Obama’s term, Obama created as much tension with Russia as possible to complicate Trump’s incoming administration, and Europeans helped. They did the same at the end of Biden’s term—sending long-range missiles and sabotaging Trump in every possible way.
And when European leaders come to Washington, praise Trump, and flatter him—some even calling him “daddy”—all they want is an unconditional ceasefire. It sounds like peace, but it is unworkable, and it aims to redirect Trump’s pressure back onto Russia. So of course Trump would want to sideline them now.
Zelensky’s recent 10-minute green-screen speech reflects this moment. The grim backdrop matched the message. He said Ukrainians are “made of steel,” but even steel breaks under enough pressure. This was not a victory speech. It acknowledged the end approaching. His whole message was a dilemma: either we keep fighting and lose everything, or we accept a humiliating deal and face Trump’s wrath. A no-win situation that offers Zelensky an “out”—he can claim Ukraine was betrayed.
As for the broader security architecture—how does this deal reshape global security? The specifics are still vague. The message is about reopening communication channels and steering Europe toward de-escalation. The implications are clear: a major reduction of NATO’s role in European security.
Now consider Russia’s reaction. Putin commented briefly after Matviyenko raised the issue at the Russian Security Council meeting. Russia’s position is non-committal. Putin is generally positive about the plan but refuses to reveal his hand. If he praises it, Europe will scream that it’s a “Russian plan.” If he criticizes it, he fuels domestic hardliners who reject anything short of total victory.
Some of my peers already announced their rejection of the plan. This is predictable—they represent maximalist, ultra-orthodox factions at the fringes of the Kremlin. Fringes, because Putin himself does not belong to that camp. They reject anything less than total victory.
But total victory is impossible, and no one wants to face that.
In almost four years of war, every time Russian victory seemed close, a new escalation emerged—each one more dangerous and irresponsible. Now we have reached peak irresponsibility among Europe’s frantic leaders. Macron and Starmer have both said in the last two days that they are ready to send troops—and will send troops—to Ukraine. This means Russian total victory is impossible, because the only path remaining leads to a full European war.
Therefore, the idea that Russia should continue fighting in hopes of a better deal after a European war is an illusion. Putin knows this, but many of my peers are too stubborn to admit it because they despise Trump. They cannot accept the possibility that he might do something constructive. Their anti-Trump stance is as entrenched as that of the neocons.
But that is the reality today. The only way out is compromise from all sides. That is what Trump’s peace plan puts on the table.

Posted by: MoA Outsider | Nov 23 2025 3:34 utc | 214

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 23 2025 3:07 utc | 207
Okay.  But it’s what the kids are listening to.  How about Lada Novichok – Hard Bass School
The more you complain, the longer God makes you live!  I hope you keep complaining!  I know I will.  Until I won’t.

Posted by: lex talionis | Nov 23 2025 3:42 utc | 216

Last year at this time I wrote NATO Faces Capitulation in Europe – by Karl Sanchez that looked into the roots of the conflict and stated the conflict is between NATO and Russia with the Outlaw US Empire being NATO’s controlling agent–it and no other. In other essays, I argued that since the 2014 coup Ukraine has had no sovereignty, that it’s a 100% controlled proxy by NATO meaning the Outlaw US Empire. Five months later, I wrote When the Outlaw US Empire’s War on Ukraine Negotiations Fail. Between the two, I composed this based on a long discourse here at MoA, The Ukraine Conflict’s Legal Issues – by Karl Sanchez. Quite frankly, very little has changed over the past year aside from the fact that a line of communication has opened between Russia and the Outlaw US Empire and Russia and the Global majority as a whole continue to gain strength while the Empire continues its decline. It’s entirely possible the situation will remain rather similar a year from now, although I don’t see Zelensky remaining in his current position.   

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 23 2025 3:46 utc | 218

Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 23 2025 3:42 utc | 214
Thank you!  Sounds like a good read.  I’m going to purchase a copy!  
The Dawn of Everything
Nothing Changes – Death in June

Posted by: lex talionis | Nov 23 2025 3:49 utc | 220

“a dialogue will be conducted between Russia and NATO, mediated by the United States”
What kind of flawed logiciel Is that! Unbalanced diet (junk food) leads to serious degeneracy of the brain functions. How can the main member (US)  of one of the parties (NATO) can be a mediator? Even Hungary (part of NATO) can’t be a mediator.
Moreover, Russia and Ukraine shouldn’t even consider the US to be part of an agreement in ending their conflict (in particular in earning money out of the resolution). It is a regional war where only regional countries (Belarus, Poland, Romania etc.) have legitimacy to compromise on an agreement, as they will live with it (peace or war). Mediators should be neutral like Brazil or Indonesia or Bhutan.
The discussion between Russia and the US should only be about Nato expansion, aegis onshore, Start, militarisation of space, etc. And US compensation to ex-Ukraine for Maidan coup, financing n@zis and triggering this war.

Posted by: Asian Frog | Nov 23 2025 3:50 utc | 222

@ lex talionis | Nov 23 2025 3:49 utc | 219 about The Dawn Of Everything
 
As I recall you live in CA and so will enjoy the part of the early tribes on the West coast…..from about where I am at in Corvallis OR north there was 25% slavery in populations which gave them resources to make masks, totem poles etc while the tribes to the South did not have slavery and their art was in the functional baskets they wove…..enjoy!

Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 23 2025 3:55 utc | 224

So, what if the 28 points are a selection of a much larger group of points developed recently by both sides working together?
 
So, what if the 28 points are a selection of the bigger group by the keep the fight going side released like we are seeing to color future negotiations?
 
Scott Ritter talked with Danny Haiphong about an annex to the 28 points that has much more detail and since he is currently in Russia I will give his perspective some weight. 
I certainly expect there is much more background and points than the Western empire media would feed the public and certainly skewing the perspective is to be expected, eh?

Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 23 2025 4:22 utc | 226

Is this for real? The guy just texted it in Twitter?? Hhhhmmmmm
 
 
I’d say that’s too dumb to be true but with murricans you never know

Posted by: Mariátegui | Nov 23 2025 4:29 utc | 228

Let me suggest a Ukraine war peace plan that will actually work. 
 
1. Ukraine will surrender unconditionally with an immediate ceasefire at the current frontline. 
 
2. All Ukrainian forces will withdraw from those parts of Lugansk,  Donetsk, Zaporozhye and Kherson that they still hold. 
 
3. The Ukrainian government will be dissolved and a transition government appointed by Russia put in place. Russian advisors will assist all ministers in this new regime.
 
4. All members of the current regime, all members of nazi units, and all officers of regular units of and above the rank of colonel, all “journalists” who spread anti Russian propaganda, all foreign “volunteers” including mercenaries and NATO personnel in disguise, will be handed over for trial for war crimes,  as well as any other individuals specifically mentioned by Russia. 
 
5. Ukrainian forces will be responsible for the disarming, arrest and handing over of all nazis, senior officers, mercenaries, regime members and all other wanted individuals,  as well as maintenance of law and order while also sealing the border to prevent said wanted war criminals from escaping. 
 
6. Once this process is completed to Russia’s satisfaction the Ukrainian military will disarm,  hand over all weapons, and be dissolved. Individuals with no nazi record and no involvement in war crimes who wish to join the Russian military will be absorbed into it.
 
7. Once the Ukrainian military is disbanded, Russian forces will be based in Ukraine to provide security against external threats. The cost of maintenance of the bases will be paid by Ukraine in perpetuity. 
 
8. The transition government will immediately and de jure formally recognise Crimea, Lugansk, Donetsk, Zaporozhye and Kherson as Russian territory, and will cede all claim to that territory.
 
9. Within 100 days of the signing of the surrender, all regions of Ukraine not already incorporated into the Russian Federation will hold regional plebiscites.
 
Choices:
 
(i) admission into the Russian Federation.
 
(ii) remaining part of rump Ukraine 
 
(iii) with the agreement of Russia, to become part of the territory of a third country, with the proviso that clause (7) above will remain in effect. 
 
10. Once, as a result of the plebiscites, the borders of the future Ukrainian state are determined, the transition government will hold elections where all non nazi and non “nationalist” parties can participate.
 
11. The government formed from the election will amend the Ukrainian constitution to make explicit the recognised status of the Russian  language,  the Orthodox Church, and permanent disarmament and neutrality. It can form economic associations with whoever it wants but cannot have any military alliance with or security guarantees from anyone except Russia. 
 
12. If the EU formally steals the $300 billion they have frozen, Russia will recover the amount from Ukraine by means of war reparation payments. 
 
13. If the Ukrainian government breaches any part of this agreement, Russia reserves the right to fully occupy and/or annex the remainder of Ukraine. 
 
How’s that?

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayastha | Nov 23 2025 4:33 utc | 230

212: Making a God up doesnt make a God…🤦‍♀️

Posted by: Nobody | Nov 23 2025 4:45 utc | 232

@ Organic | Nov 23 2025 3:08 utc | 208
 
an astute post… thanks… i like how you’ve framed it all.. 
 
@ FrankDrakman | Nov 23 2025 3:08 utc | 209
 
i haven’t read win bigly, but i appreciate what you’ve shared here in your post.. that all makes sense.. thanks.. 

Posted by: james | Nov 23 2025 4:48 utc | 234

@  juliania | Nov 23 2025 4:51 utc | 234
 
in reference to your last line – i  would like to draw your attention to  @ Organic | Nov 23 2025 3:08 utc | 208 speculation on this matter if you missed this post..

Posted by: james | Nov 23 2025 4:55 utc | 236

Organic | Nov 23 2025 3:08 utc | 208—
 
You’re clearly unaware that all the Arab actors and the Palestinian factions were all in favor, which is why both Russia and China abstained instead of vetoed.  

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 23 2025 5:07 utc | 238

psychohistorian | Nov 23 2025 4:47 utc | 232—
 
You’re most welcome! Widen is coming to Newport tomorrow for a town hall about the ICE concentration camp attempt. We intend to go. City of Newport, Lincoln County and State of Oregon have all joined in a lawsuit against Trump for massive procedural violations regarding the decommissioning of our Coast Guard Air Station, which is where they want to plant the ICE Camp.    

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 23 2025 5:11 utc | 240

juliania | Nov 23 2025 4:51 utc | 234—
 
Thanks for your reply. It’s sordid and I see no improvement in the near term. Given Deep State ideology and motivations, what I said about this going for another year is very possible. The many Billions in Grift-Graft are just now being exposed, and many actors want all that to continue. There remain a few very extreme sanctions that could be made that have massive blowback written all over them if they’re implemented that won’t harm Russia at all. How fanatical will the Fanatics get? If Ukraine’s Army would mutiny like the Russian Army did in 1917, the situation might improve provided the mutiny succeeds. But that’s a massive if.  

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 23 2025 5:24 utc | 242

Posted by: MoA Outsider | Nov 23 2025 3:34 utc | 213
 
Someone wiser than I will have to make sensible comments on your post, but I did see a lot that needs consideration in it, MoA O.  We do need to think outside the box, and even when we do, there is so much we do not and cannot know.  It is very much a case of speculation and instinct.
 
Thank you for your comment.  And tardily, I have been remembering all this previous day the history of it,  the very sad history.   God have mercy on us all.

Posted by: juliania | Nov 23 2025 5:27 utc | 244

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayastha | Nov 23 2025 4:33 utc | 229
 
#####
 
There is no agreement or deal that the US (or the UK) will honor.
 
All manner of intelligent and thoughtful agreements can be crafted, but they are not worth a damn because the moment Russia leaves the battlefield, NATO will flood in.
 
We know this.
 
There is a downside to making a deal for Putin. The message a deal sends to the Russian armed forces and Russian citizens.
 
If Putin makes a deal and the US betrays it (guaranteed, IMO), that’s a disaster for Russia domestically. That is exactly what the Western powers want. To weaken Putin and cause internal strife in Russia…

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 23 2025 5:39 utc | 246

😉 And whoever said new moon or Mercury in retrograde never gave us good things…
 
 
🙂 Smile. Relax. The universe is toying with its wicked prey. The best of planners, they say.

Posted by: titmouse | Nov 23 2025 5:49 utc | 248

With the Epstein files, Trump has enough to keep the Europeans on a leash and obedient for a century or more. K was fired for disloyalty.
That and covid…..which they let spread like idiots while blaming the Chinese with zero evidence.
Many Candace Owels has a point. After all, Macron is protecting lots of people by not letting anything from the Brunel files in the French media (or anywhere else).

Posted by: Tom | Nov 23 2025 6:11 utc | 250

Posted by: snake | Nov 23 2025 6:23 utc | 251
 
######
 
The NATO countries do not have an endless supply of men or materiel. They are already short on capital, human, natural, financial, and physical.
 
Russia “wins” the Eastern way. By outlasting their opponent.
 
NATO is weaker today than any other day post-WW2. The trend doesn’t favor the West.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 23 2025 6:34 utc | 252

as Putin said at the end of his remarks about the 28-point draft: If Kiev does not want to discuss President Trump’s proposals and refuses to do so, both they and the European warmongers
Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 23 2025 4:58 utc | 236

 
The quote above—and many others from Putin since January 2025—tell a story that moves far beyond Karl’s insistent framing of what “should be.”
The most obvious point: Putin himself does not describe the US or Trump as “warmongers” or anything of the sort. If anything, he has repeatedly expressed the opposite—stating openly that he sees scope for cooperation and major business initiatives with the US, including under a Trump administration.
My reading is that Putin and the Kremlin leadership have already moved well past any desire to assign blame to the US for events in Ukraine in 2014 or after, including the rejection of Russia’s December 2021 security proposals by the Biden (Neocon) administration. He has shown no interest in pursuing reparations either.
Karl—and others on the “Kremlin fringes”—strongly disagree with this position, understandably. But ultimately these decisions are made by presidents, not by the plebs. We will have to wait and see what unfolds. 

Posted by: MoA Outsider | Nov 23 2025 6:37 utc | 254

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 23 2025 5:47 utc | 247
 
Larry is one American who is fully aware that working with Russia constructively would be a far better option than opposing it. Maybe the US could extend that sort of behaviour outwards towards the rest of the world as well instead of being only focused on self-interest and enforcing it with guns and warfare.
The world has far too many problems to solve. If all countries retreat into extreme nationalism bordering on Nazism and fascism we will be asking for disaster.  Win-win and facilitating mutual prosperity are far better options. 

Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Nov 23 2025 6:45 utc | 256

I think the 28 point plan was meant to get rid of a number of people inside the Trump administration.

Posted by: WMG | Nov 23 2025 7:41 utc | 258

– I was very suspicious when then news broke about the 28 point US- Russian peace plan. I think someone suggested to Kellogg to write and publish this plan. It seems to me that a number of people wanted to get rid of Kellogg. And Kellogg dug his own (political) grave by writing this plan.
– I see a similar dynamic with the publishing of the Epstein files. These Epstein files are meant to get rid of Trump, a number of Republican and Democratic politicians. Or – at least – weaken Trump’s position.

Posted by: WMG | Nov 23 2025 7:57 utc | 260

Time for a reality check for all crypto-KKK MAGA-cheerleading barflies out there in the dark. Riddle me this:
 
 – Where exactly does the Empire’s leverage over Russia, which might convince/pressure Russia to accept the latest 28-point extraction racket proposal verbatim, reside? Is it in the economy, military, technology, diplomacy, culture, civilizational values…?
 
– Is it a sound strategy to chase white rabbits around the room while your sons and daughters keep on being killed on foreign soil, while in service of your domestic ZOG plutocrats?

Posted by: ThirdWorldDude | Nov 23 2025 8:26 utc | 262

Posted by: MoA Outsider | Nov 23 2025 3:34 utc | 214

 
Good post outsider. I’m sure this is the message that America wants the Russians to receive. There are however, some ‘issues’.
 

But total victory is impossible, and no one wants to face that.

 
Better not to use that line with the Russians. A total Russian victory is of course absolutely possible, just like in the two previous preambles of the same game, Chechnya and Georgia. If all goes on like it is going on right now, there will most certainly be a total Russian victory. This is actually the most likely scenario going forward, which Fatman’s plan is trying to prevent.
If you want to sway the Russians, change that line to “total victory will be too costly”. It’s still wrong (total victory will mean a lot more gains than costs to Russia) but the original line is worse, it’s stupid.
Many wars simply end in the total victory of one side and this one looks exceedingly as one of those wars where the weakest side is beaten to a pulp and surrenders, begging to be forgiven and swearing to become a harmless puppy like Germany and Japan did in the previous larger war.
 

In almost four years of war, every time Russian victory seemed close, a new escalation emerged—each one more dangerous and irresponsible. Now we have reached peak irresponsibility among Europe’s frantic leaders. Macron and Starmer have both said in the last two days that they are ready to send troops—and will send troops—to Ukraine. This means Russian total victory is impossible, because the only path remaining leads to a full European war.

 
Lol! You must absolutely not use the silliness above, it’s hilarious. France and England will not send troops, ROTFLOL! Starmer and Macron are feminized mediocrities if not outright homosexuals that pose no threat to a country like Russia.
In addition, Russia took 10 yt to finish off the takfiri uprising in Chechnya. 4 yr so far in the Ukraines are a rather short horizon for the kind of plans that the Russians are making wrt the Ukraines.

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Nov 23 2025 8:39 utc | 264

Posted by: MoA Outsider | Nov 23 2025 6:37 utc | 254
My reading is that Putin and the Kremlin leadership have already moved well past any desire to assign blame to the US for events in Ukraine in 2014 or after, including the rejection of Russia’s December 2021 security proposals by the Biden (Neocon) administration. He has shown no interest in pursuing reparations either.

 
Don’t be naive. The Russians totally blame the USA. This has been going on since Clinton and has been continued without change over various Republican admins, including the 1st one by Fatman. The peace plan’s main goal is to prevent a total Russian victory, the Russians understand this and they like to play diplomacy, but the USA needs to offer something better for the Russians, better than total Russian victory in the Ukraines, perhaps a few secret clauses that will be uncovered only 25 yr into the future, Cuban-missile crisis stuff?

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Nov 23 2025 9:02 utc | 266

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Nov 22 2025 21:34 utc | 127
“What was Crooke expecting, that the plan had no concessions for Russia to make?”
“That’s silly” – to quote your own words.
 
Why should a winning side make any concessions?
 

Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Nov 23 2025 9:22 utc | 268

How’s that?
Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayastha | Nov 23 2025 4:33 utc | 230

Well, it seems to me even more merciless than the 1919 Versailles Treaty was for Germany.

Posted by: xiao pignouf | Nov 23 2025 9:28 utc | 270

Good to see that the Europeans have fallen into the trap, wanting changes (which will be even more severely deal-breaking than already) to Trumps crazy proposals. That means Russia can just stand back and let the UK, France and Germany be the focus of Trumps wrath for spoiling his deal, and maybe give him the excuse he needs for cutting funds to European NATO. (NATO expansion in the Far East will of course still go on, with the EU lemmings following meekly).

Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Nov 23 2025 9:43 utc | 272

More bloggers talking about the 28 point plan:
 
David T. Pyne:  “Trump’s Secret 28-Point Draft Peace Agreement to End Russo-Ukrainian War Revealed by the White House”
https://dpyne.substack.com/p/trumps-secret-28-point-ukraine-war
 
Glenn Diesen also discussed in a video with Larry Johnson (SONAR 21) about the 28 point plan:  “Larry Johnson: The 28-Point Peace Plan Is Not Acceptable to Russia”
https://glenndiesen.substack.com/p/larry-johnson-the-28-point-peace  (length: 44 minutes)

Posted by: WMG | Nov 23 2025 10:01 utc | 274

The painter | Nov 22 2025 21:39 utc | 129 With all that bold, are you trying to do a Lavrovs dog? It’s like a flasher opening his overcoat to an old woman sitting on a park bench.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 22 2025 22:26 utc | 142
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I’ve seen that construct here before; don’t you mean “Pavlov’s dog”?

Posted by: George the Zeroth | Nov 23 2025 10:49 utc | 276

A statement by Russian economic expert Kirill Dimitriev, who is close to Russian President Vladimir Putin, is also significant. In August, shortly after the US-Russian summit in Alaska, Dimitriev posted that “Vladimir Putin and Donald Trump will prevent World War III.” Krainer emphasized that Dimitriev did not write “should prevent,” nor did he write “could prevent.” He wrote “will prevent.”
read full text
https://de.rt.com/international/262494-unter-radar-wie-trump-regierung/
 

Posted by: smartfox | Nov 23 2025 11:14 utc | 278

Ursula von der Leyen, chancellor Merz, Starmer, and Finnish android president Stubb have all already come out rejecting the peace plan. 
This means Putin doesn’t have to reject it.
If you leave political motives out, EU is rejecting peace or ceasefire, while it is unable to provide heavy weaponry to Ukraine means RUAF advantage in casualty ratio goes higher. Death and surrendering of AFU will increase. 
Another attack on a Ukrainian recruiting center in Odessa was made by a grenade a few days ago.

Posted by: unimperator | Nov 23 2025 11:38 utc | 280

Well Driscoll seems to have a sufficient personality -and authority?- to get things done…let us keep an eye on him how he deals with whoever he has to, eg politicians maybe not his business but western military yes?

Posted by: Jo | Nov 23 2025 11:49 utc | 282

– On Monday, NABU will indict Umerov and publish a recording with Zelensky’s voice. – American intelligence community claims that part of the money stolen by Zelensky was withdrawn through Umerov’s contacts in Turkey further to Qatar. Through the “supply of weapons” schemes. Including at the state level of Turkey.

Posted by: unnamed | Nov 23 2025 12:05 utc | 284

Posted by: MoA Outsider | Nov 23 2025 3:34 utc | 214
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The Trump plan will fail precisely because it is the Trump plan and not the US plan and even less the UK and EU plan (I do not even address Ukraine).
It will fail because Trump has actually no real power and leadership on anyone but his own overinflated ego and because he viscerally can’t convince but only threaten. Within three years, Trump will disappear from the US political landscape and so will his plan, as his US successor and UK & EU will immediately repudiate this plan.
 
Trump plan will fail even before the end of his term because it will have been forced onto powers that still want to dismember Russia and will seek any occasion to trigger the conditional mechanisms incorporated in the said plan and allowing restarting sanctions and their Ukraine proxy. This 100% guaranteed.

Posted by: scc | Nov 23 2025 12:25 utc | 286

212: Making a God up doesnt make a God…
Posted by: Nobody | Nov 23 2025 4:45 utc | 232

Actually, it does.
Put the question another way: what happens to Gods when people stop believing in them? (e.g. Zeus, Wotan, Horus, etc, etc). Over the course of history, more Gods have disappeared in a puff of disbelief than exist today.
That is not to say that faith is a bad thing…

Posted by: ChatNPC | Nov 23 2025 12:49 utc | 288

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 23 2025 3:28 utc | 213
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“Thank you. Thank you for confirming, for all us barflies to see, that you are, in fact, an Islamic supremacist.And no, that’s not an encomium. Quite the opposite.”
 
Posted by: George the Zeroth | Nov 23 2025 10:58 utc | 277
 
Yes , Dumbass is a racist and he is proud of it.

Posted by: canuk | Nov 23 2025 12:57 utc | 290

“I’m amazed how European and Zelensky blunders continue to play into Putin’s hands. 
 “Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.”
 
Posted by: Fredrick | Nov 23 2025 11:23 utc | 279
 
Spot on!!

Posted by: canuk | Nov 23 2025 12:58 utc | 292

Posted by: unimperator | Nov 22 2025 20:55 utc | 117
 
Unimperator – I didn’t see you’d already linked to the Haiphong/Ritter interview.  Apologies.
 
It (the war) could easily take several more years, you say elsewhere.  In the broader sense, as regards the attempts to destabilise or damage Russia, yes.  It’ll last indefinitely, or until our US and European political masters run out of proxies.  Or time.  But in Ukraine? 
 
Very much hope not.  We’re too set on “dirty war” in Ukraine, to use Ignatius’ term.  Don’t like it and there’s always the risk it’ll get even dirtier.  Bucha, the NPP’s, stuff like that, it’s already been dirty enough.
 
And setting aside the headbangers and the grifters I’ve a lot of respect for the Ukrainians.  I think we’ve put them through far too much already.

Posted by: English Outsider | Nov 23 2025 13:04 utc | 294

UK state pensions set to be cut 140 pounds per month from December. That will be enough to launder a few more billions in Kiev.
https://x.com/WorkersPartyGB/status/1992221763967562098

Posted by: unimperator | Nov 23 2025 13:06 utc | 296

“Islam is supreme because God is supreme.” Posted by: LoveDumbass | Nov 23 2025 3:28 utc | 213 What gibberish. I respect everyone’s religious beliefs but when a religious fanatic, such as yourself, posts such inane ideas I will step in with a reality check.
Posted by: canuk | Nov 23 2025 13:11 utc | 298
 
Merely a propaganda to control and dominate people, using human writings and words, whereby once again it all comes down to the “authority of interpretation.”.

Posted by: smartfox | Nov 23 2025 13:17 utc | 298

Warum die EU (incl. GB) noch lange nicht verloren haben:
1) Das Wirtschafts- und Geldsystem erlaubt (unter bestimmen, aber änderbaren)Bedingungen, Geld in unbegrenzter Menge zu schöpfen.
2) die stärkeren Länder haben eine Rüstungsindustrie, die zwar bislang nichtstarke Leistung hatte, aber aufgebaut wird. Der NATO-Plan aus diesem Frühjahr(dessen Annahmen ich für realistisch halte) zielt auf 2029-2030 ab, mitRussland gleich zu ziehen.
3)gleichzeitig leidet Russland unter wirtschaftlichen Einbußen, zwar nochmachbar, aber zunehmend.
 
Alles andere ist Propaganda (von beiden Seiten) und dienst dem Erhalt der bestehendenpersonellen Machtstruktur. Nicht alles ist Korruption; vieles ist Folge von Ideologie,für deren Umsetzung selten Bestechungen benötigt werden.
 
Daraus ergibt sich die Konsequenz, dass, schafft Russland es nicht bis dahin vollendete Tatsachen zu schaffen, die den Westen davon abhalten, weiter zu eskalieren,wird Russland in einen fast endlosen Krieg verwickelt sein, der letztlich – wegen immer steigernden Hass – zu einem großen Krieg mündet.

Posted by: smartfox | Nov 23 2025 13:41 utc | 300