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November 13, 2025
Justice Department Office Which Justified Torture Now Argues For Killing

In 2003 the U.S. Justice Department’s Office of Legal Council (OLC) issued a memo which declared the use of torture in ‘authorized military interrogations’ as legal when done under the ‘president’s constitutional authority to direct a war’.

The memo was widely condemned. The Obama administration withdrew it but refrained from prosecuting the torturers which had used it as cover.

The Trump administration now issued a comparable OLC memo to justify its wanton killing of alleged drug smugglers at sea.

Starting in September the Trump administration announced 19 strikes on boats in the Caribbean which have killed at least 76 seafarers. Most of them were random poor people:

One was a fisherman struggling to eke out a living on $100 a month. Another was a career criminal. A third was a former military cadet. And a fourth was a down-on-his-luck bus driver.

The men had little in common beyond their Venezuelan seaside hometowns and the fact all four were among the more than 60 people killed since early September when the U.S. military began attacking boats that the Trump administration alleges were smuggling drugs.

The argument of the new OLC memo is even more frivolous (archived) than the torturous reasoning of the former one:

The opinion, which runs nearly 50 pages, also argues that the United States is in a “non-international armed conflict” waged under the president’s Article II authorities, a core element to the analysis that the strikes are permissible under domestic law.

The armed-conflict argument, which was also made in a notice to Congress from the administration last month, is fleshed out in more detail by the OLC. The opinion also states that drug cartels are selling drugs to finance a campaign of violence and extortion, according to four people.

That assertion, which runs counter to the conventional wisdom that traffickers use violence to protect their drug business, appears to be part of the effort to shoehorn the fight against cartels into a law-of-war framework, analysts said.

The true purpose of drug cartels is obviously to make money. There is no evidence that any drug cartel ever has been or is in business because it wanted to create violence.

By framing the military campaign as a war, the administration is able to argue that murder statutes do not apply, said Sarah Harrison, a senior analyst with the International Crisis Group and a former Pentagon lawyer. “If the U.S. is at war, then it would be lawful to use lethal force as a first resort,” she said. The president, she argued, “is fabricating a war so that he can get around the restrictions on lethal force during peacetime, like murder statutes.”

There is nobody internationally who will accept such a stupid argument as justification for blowing up random boats at sea.

UN officials have condemned such strikes:

Volker Türk, the U.N. High Commissioner for Human Rights, has called for an investigation into the strikes, in what appeared to mark the first such condemnation of its kind from a United Nations organization.

“These attacks and their mounting human cost are unacceptable,” Ravina Shamdasani, a spokeswoman for Türk’s office, relayed his message on Friday at a regular U.N. briefing.

“The U.S. must halt such attacks and take all measures necessary to prevent the extrajudicial killing of people aboard these boats.”

She said Türk believed “airstrikes by the United States of America on boats in the Caribbean and in the Pacific violate international human rights law.”

At the recent meeting of the G7 foreign ministers the French publicly declared that any such boat strikes are illegal:

In what appears to be the most significant condemnation so far from a G7 ally, France’s foreign minister says that the deadly boat strikes carried out by the United States in the Caribbean since early September violate international law.

“We have observed with concern the military operations in the Caribbean region, because they violate international law and because France has a presence in this region through its overseas territories, where more than a million of our compatriots reside,” Barrot said.

Britain is allegedly withholding some intelligence from the U.S. because of concern about the boat strikes.

U.S. Secretary of State Marco Rubio denies that but British officials confirmed their standpoint:

Marco Rubio has denied claims Britain stopped intelligence sharing with the US over its strikes on “narcoboats” in the Caribbean.

It was a “false story”, Mr Rubio said, adding the US had a strong partnership with the UK.

However, British officials reportedly believed the strikes, which have killed at least 76 people, break international law and agree with an assessment by the UN’s human rights chief that they amount to “extrajudicial killing”.

Colombian President Gustavo Petro has likewise stopped intelligence sharing on the issue:

“The fight against drugs must be subordinated to the human rights of the Caribbean people,” Petro said on X.

Earlier this fall, Petro accused U.S. government officials of murder, alleging that a casualty of a mid-September strike was an innocent Colombian fisherman.

Anyone in the U.S. intelligence services and military should be aware that taking part in such strikes is a criminal endeavor which may get them prosecuted in international courts.

The OLC memo is a way too flimsy a cover to protect anyone.

An admiral recognized this and skipped out:

Top officers, including Adm. Alvin Holsey, the head of Southern Command, sought caution on such strikes, according to two people, who like several others interviewed for this story spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the matter’s sensitivity.

Holsey wanted to make sure any option presented to the president was fully vetted first, one person said. In October, he abruptly announced he was resigning at year’s end, which will be about a year into what is typically a three-year assignment.

More soldiers should follow the man’s example.

Comments

DunGroanin @197:
 
 
You’re suggesting that it is the CIA itself that is hitting the supposed smugglers, and perhaps that is because the smugglers are acting independently of the CIA’s networks and thus (in the eyes of the CIA) stealing from The Company. I suppose that is possible, but then the question must be asked why the mass media, which the CIA has, shall we say “influence on”,  not going all “Rah-rah!” over the attacks? The failure of the presstitution industry to provide full-throated support for the attacks very strongly suggests the CIA is not onboard with those attacks.
 
 
Note that I am not saying the CIA wouldn’t do as you suggest. They absolutely will try to defend their business interests, and murder is just a business strategy for them, but they would also give their gimps in the mass media their marching orders to keep the public opinion on their side, don’t you think?
 
 
No, I think the CIA is getting spanked in this case.

Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 14 2025 13:47 utc | 201

have no good hypothesis why thousand horsepower speedboats would be out there.
 
Posted by: oldhippie | Nov 14 2025 13:34 utc | 204
 

 
They are fishing boats.  They have multiple big engines so that they can be operated efficiently at low speeds, and can run fast to bring the catch to market while it is still fresh.  Nobody wants old fish.
 

Posted by: too scents | Nov 14 2025 13:50 utc | 202

alamy photo of Venezuelan fishing boats
 
 
I’ve been in the area and seen the real thing so yes, this is fairly typical for artisanal fishermen. Two fairly modest engines (under 100hp) provide redundancy (important if you are going out every day and using them for work). 
 
 
too scents @206, do you really think fishermen in Venezuela/Colombia make enough selling their catch to pay for fancy speedboats? The fishermen I’ve seen don’t look that affluent.

Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 14 2025 14:06 utc | 203

Posted by: too scents | Nov 14 2025 13:50 utc | 206
 
That’s very possible but who cares? Drugs have nothing to do with why the US navy is parked off that coast. If they are serious about stopping the illegal drugs from South America, blockade and put pressure on Colombia, Ecuador, and Peru. However, that won’t happen. The US could bomb the hell out of Venezuela and hope there’s a coup of some sort but that might only strengthen their resolve and further isolate us on the world stage. 

Posted by: Saint Jimmy | Nov 14 2025 14:06 utc | 204

“There is no evidence that any drug cartel ever has been or is in business because it wanted to create violence”
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Posted by: Fernando | Nov 14 2025 14:11 utc | 205

do you really think fishermen in Venezuela/Colombia make enough selling their catch to pay for fancy speedboats? 
 
Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 14 2025 14:06 utc | 207
 

 
The boats I’ve seen blown up don’t look fancy to me.  They look like open deck net boats.
 
What poor fishermen don’t have money for is a flash freezer.  Their catch is on ice so once they have worked their nets they want to get back home asap.
 

Posted by: too scents | Nov 14 2025 14:13 utc | 206

Saint Jimmy@199……. Operation Southern Spear….the attack on Venezuela now has a name…….Kick Off time to be decided….. 
 
Cheers M 

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Nov 14 2025 14:14 utc | 207

Fernando @209:
 
 
Well, yes, the CIA is a drug cartel, and they definitely are in the drug trade to finance their violence, but I think our host was talking about cartels whose principal purpose is to produce and traffic the drugs to finance their own lifestyles, not to finance death squads, color revolutions, and proxy wars.

Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 14 2025 14:16 utc | 208

If they are serious about stopping the illegal drugs …
 
Posted by: Saint Jimmy | Nov 14 2025 14:06 utc | 208
 

 
Illegal trade is only possible with black money.  To stop illegal drugs audit bank transactions. 
 
LOL.  Transactions are already audited.
 

Posted by: too scents | Nov 14 2025 14:18 utc | 209

China and Russia, if they were really serious, they’d supply Venezuela with marine drones……..like the ones the Brits supply to the Ukraine to sink Russian ships……. 
 
Cheers M 
 
 

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Nov 14 2025 14:27 utc | 210

@208
@213
Drug trade control supplies the Off Book Intel Black Ops Budget……..untraceable, fingers get smashed all the time, drugs still flow, Black Ops are still a go…….suitcases of money, pallets of money, planes full of money……Money for nothing, and chicks for free……
 
Cheers M 

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Nov 14 2025 14:33 utc | 211

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Nov 14 2025 14:14 utc | 211
 
Oh my! Southern Spear! So kewl! A new war game? Is it available on-line?
(eye roll)

Posted by: Saint Jimmy | Nov 14 2025 14:40 utc | 212

Drug trade is not about money, it’s about control. It’s only a few hundred billion. They steal that much with a keystroke. Keeping the population doped up and obsessed with nonsense, keeping an army of cops employed, managing the news, those things are important

Posted by: oldhippie | Nov 14 2025 14:40 utc | 213

Posted by: oldhippie | Nov 14 2025 14:40 utc | 217
 
Marijuana prohibition – The private prison funding and lawyer full employment acts

Posted by: Saint Jimmy | Nov 14 2025 14:50 utc | 214

General Factotum | Nov 13 2025 21:19 utc | 116
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I call this poetry by typo.
I have made many typos that deserved to live!
 
NB: The difference between “tortuous” and “torturous” causes plenty of confusion for native English speakers.
 
So B is in good company, sprachmaessig.

Posted by: Jane | Nov 14 2025 15:08 utc | 215

CNN: What is Your Message To The People of The US? (&vid)
 
https://x.com/GUnderground_TV/status/1989287350225305725
 
“Venezuela’s Maduro: To unite for the peace of the continent. No more endless wars, no more unjust wars, no more Libya, no more Afghanistan. My message is yes, peace. Yes, peace.”
 
Let it be so.

Posted by: John Gilberts | Nov 14 2025 15:22 utc | 216

To all you bloodthirsty morons, looking at you Frank, Tobias and waru:
 
Drug smuggling is not a capital offense in the US.  We don’t send smugglers and their drivers to the electric chair.
 
The Department of War is committing murder plain and simple.  They’ve admitted to congress that they don’t even know the names of their victims. 
 
OK so some boats have multiple outboard motors.  Where are they refueling for the 1000 mile trip to the Florida keys?
 
That first “snuff video” (thank you earlier poster for the apt description) had 11 people crammed on a pretty small boat bouncing around.  Where was the room for drugs?
 
Finally,  we have had several jet boats and jet skis, none of which had an on-board radio.  Those are for the really rich people.  How many of those little boats in northern South America would be equipped with marine radios in order to be warned?  Would it be on the correct channel if so equipped?  You can’t hear jack when speeding on open water.   Those things are for slow or idle speed while hailing dockmasters or draw bridge operators.
 
Quit justifying murder on the high seas for a problem created by Purdue Pharma.  Interesting we pulled out of Afghanistan after Purdue didn’t need soldiers to guard their opium fields anymore. 

Posted by: cc | Nov 14 2025 15:24 utc | 217

How about a strike on an airplane carrying the officially acknowledged international criminal Netanyahu and/or one of his criminal buddies. That would be a heck of a lot easier to justify.
Posted by: Jane | Nov 13 2025 15:10 utc | 5
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Could not agree more, as long as we are setting examples.

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Nov 14 2025 15:27 utc | 218

to y’all Trump lovers:  first:   it takes two to tango.   Some one with a great big bankroll brings drugs into Murika, Belgium, etc etc.  Then some one ingests the drugs Knowing that he/she/it may be killed.   No one put a gun to their heads and said go ahead take these dangerous drugs or else.    Unlike covid, but with the same mega profits to the peddlers and the same immunity.
 
second, since Iran-Contra and on to the Afghanistan hustle, with a intervening stop in Vietnam, who’s the biggest drug smuggler on the block??? The CIA.   USA USA still the greatest at murder Inc.   
 

Posted by: Formerly Miss Lacy | Nov 14 2025 15:48 utc | 219

 canuk | Nov 13 2025 16:44 utc | 47

Holsey can go to Hell.

Posted by: Keme | Nov 14 2025 15:56 utc | 220

So I get it now……. drug smuggling boats carrying tons of fent, heroin, coke and meth are just out for stroll in the ocean………not obviously fishing boats, they are now tourist boats filled with wealthy fishing buffs, attacked by the evil USN……….LOL with that bs……….smuggle drugs and you are dead is the new normal, live with it…….no more Joey Boy Biden weakness.
And now billionaire drug smuggling cartel dictators are kind and benevolent peacemakers too…..OK yea right………….got it……

Posted by: tobias cole | Nov 14 2025 16:02 utc | 221

 
Then, too, sometimes the police are in on the drug deals themselves. 
Posted by: malenkov | Nov 14 2025 1:43 utc | 152
 
Makes me recall a Trailer Park episode where they picked up their drugs from the back of the Police station.

Posted by: arby | Nov 14 2025 16:19 utc | 222

Well, yes, the CIA is a drug cartel, and they definitely are in the drug trade to finance their violence, but I think our host was talking about cartels whose principal purpose is to produce and traffic the drugs to finance their own lifestyles, not to finance death squads, color revolutions, and proxy wars.
 
Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 14 2025 14:16 utc | 212
 
The cartels are CIA. Those two groups are linked. Historically they formed from the US program to train right wing paramilitary groups in Latin America, who in turn fund themselves and the CIA “off the books” with the drug trade.
 
This follows the same CIA modus operandi seen with: heroin during the Vietnam War involving the KMT organized crime groups in the Golden Triangle; cocaine production with similar groups in South America; the Northern Alliance’s opium production in Afghanistan; and Captagon production with the ISIS groups in Syria.
 
The drugs end up in the US because Americans pay the most for them, and the CIA allows them in.
 
Curiously, I’ve not seen anyone make the connection that the US is the largest commercial manufacturer of fentanyl in the world by a very large margin and that fentanyl only started appearing on the streets as the Taliban kicked the US out of Afghanistan and the CIA could no longer source natural opium there. Then, lo and behold, a synthetic alternative appeared just in time to fill that market gap.
 

Posted by: Jules | Nov 14 2025 16:20 utc | 223

Tobias #225 – just a shameful example of late-empire dishonest, delusional, and violent fascist humping. No other value to it. 

Posted by: Caliman | Nov 14 2025 16:40 utc | 224

Malenkov @ 152.   Yes,  in  70s and 80s,  Soviet policy was to discourage emigration of its Jewish population, as much had been invested in the education of all its citizens.  During that era Israel and Zionist movement were scrounging the entire world to encourage emigration of Jews from everywhere to increase the Jewish population.   Jews in the USSR, numbered millions, and were highly educated especially compared to Jews from other diaspora centers in the ME. 
I witnessed the Zionist recruitment effort personally on a 3 week group tour I took to the USSR in 1978. There were 40 people in my group, all from US. One couple stood out from the first in not socializing with the rest of the group.  All such tours were led by the official government tourist agency, Intourist.  It was always permitted to wander on your own rather than accompany the group to the point of interest of the day.  This couple chose to not visit the Kremlin, the very first pt of interest on the very first day.  
The couple was detected visiting several Soviet Jewish citizens and trying to induce them to emigrate to Israel, complete with written materials offering advice on how to get approval to emigrate. The couple had a long list of Jewish Soviet citizens to visit in each city on our tour’s itinerary.   The couple’s list was confiscated.  The couple were allowed to continue the tour, but they chose to return home.
 
About 10 years letter, Soviet policy on Jewish emigration changed.  A Jewish friend of mine at work, a veteran of Soviet military service emigrated to Israel in the late 80s, didn’t like it so reemigrated to the US within a couple of years.  This remigration happened a lot with former Soviet emigres, but Israel today has one to two million citizens who formerly were Russian citizens—-which partiallyexplains some of  Russia’s current relationship to Israel

Posted by: mjh | Nov 14 2025 16:52 utc | 225

tobias cole | Nov 14 2025 16:02 utc | 225
 
so, you have appointed yourself to be judge, jury, and executioner.  Did it ever occur to you that someone else could make those same decisions that affect your life.  Lets say you pass another car in a no passing zone.  you have just performed an unsafe act which could result in the death of someone.  Following your logic it is perfectly acceptable to put a bullet in your head or launch a hellfire missile against your car.
 
Laws are necessary for a society.  Do you really want to live in a mad max world?  c’mon!  get a freakin grip
 

Posted by: dan of steele | Nov 14 2025 17:29 utc | 226

Curiously, I’ve not seen anyone make the connection that the US is the largest commercial manufacturer of fentanyl in the world by a very large margin and that fentanyl only started appearing on the streets as the Taliban kicked the US out of Afghanistan and the CIA could no longer source natural opium there. Then, lo and behold, a synthetic alternative appeared just in time to fill that market gap.
 
Posted by: Jules | Nov 14 2025 16:20 utc | 227
 
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Brilliant.
 
And obvious now that you have pointed it out.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 14 2025 17:31 utc | 227

Hmm… Smuggling drugs or blowing people up, which is better and why?

Posted by: Skiffer | Nov 14 2025 17:33 utc | 228

Deep Dive: Alexander Mercouris & Lt Col Daniel Davis
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyjk5ReVFRI
 
“Venezuela drug boats…”

Posted by: John Gilberts | Nov 14 2025 17:49 utc | 229

Note: the war on drugs has not changed the percentage of Population addicted to illegal drugs. Not one bit.
 
The War on Drugs has succeeded in making various police agencies weathly as well the drug mobsters. 

Posted by: Exile | Nov 14 2025 19:18 utc | 230

I repeat, these boats  don’t go to the USA.
They stops in some Caribean island. Then the dope goes to Europe on a cargo ship.
If there is an intelligence service in that business, it is not an american one.

Posted by: Parisian Guy | Nov 14 2025 19:20 utc | 231

TNA: Brian Berletic
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZkkFXv6SPk
 
“War on multipolarism includes Latin America.”

Posted by: John Gilberts | Nov 14 2025 19:47 utc | 232

After skimming through the comments, I can see Arseclown Cole is in full effect. Time for a drink Arseclown?  
 

Maduro is no hero, he is a corrupt, incompetent, narco scammer who has single handedly destroyed a once robust economy, an economy which should be making his country the wealthiest in the region, especially with its huge petroleum reserves.  But no this arse clown has led the country into the disaster of no food on the shelves, and starving children.  Out with Maduro and his clown car.The sooner he leaves for Spain or a local lampost all the better.Posted by: tobias cole | Nov 7 2025 21:36 utc | 111 When I read your future comments, “arse clown” will be my default judgement of their author. tobias “arse clown” cole
Posted by: tucenz | Nov 7 2025 22:53 utc | 149

Posted by: tucenz | Nov 14 2025 20:17 utc | 233

I call this poetry by typo.I have made many typos that deserved to live! NB: The difference between “tortuous” and “torturous” causes plenty of confusion for native English speakers. So B is in good company, sprachmaessig.
Posted by: Jane | Nov 14 2025 15:08 utc | 219
 
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Thanks Jane – you are indeed fortunate! Most of my typos deserve summary execution, the poetry is unintelligible, and the music grating.
 
My ‘luck’ with being able to distinguish between “tortuous” and “torturous”  began with acute embarrassment – which I will never forget.
 
 

Posted by: General Factotum | Nov 14 2025 20:59 utc | 234

It wants to normalize its own power to murder anyone, including US citizens, anywhere, including inside the US. That latter point hasn’t been established yet, but murdering people on the high seas is a step in that direction. It is the ending of law by replacing it with brute force….Posted by: Cabe | Nov 14 2025 4:11 utc | 177

During Trump first term during the riots in Portland, Oregon ANTIFA members and other protestors seized part of the city.
 
Weeks later an ANTIFA dude allegedly murdered someone. Trump demanded he be captured, essentially dead. His statements were an implied presidential order of execution. 
 
Several agents and officers subsequently riddled him with bullets. They took the body into custody I guess. Trump was pleased with this result.
 
This went virtually unnoticed for the fascistic nature of this event. But some people, like you, see the underlying intent.
 
People, if your not a fascist sympathiser then you are antifascist. You belong in ANTIFA.
 
It means you fight fascists, not because we can defeat them, but because they are fascists.
 
Let’s keep it a little secret between ourselves.
 
David G Horsman
27th Acting President, ANTIFA Canada
 

Posted by: David G Horsman | Nov 14 2025 21:08 utc | 235

2nd Post
I would think that many at this bar would be happy the government shut down. I was hoping it would never reopen.
Here is what I would do:
1. Collapse the size of the government by about 75% in total where about a 40% reduction in the total comes from the defense budget alone (all the US really needs are defensive nukes).
2. Increase tariffs further (to bring industry and jobs back to the US because AI is coming and good jobs will become increasingly hard to get and hold).
3. Eliminate the IRS (and other unnecessary departments) so that labor become more competitive with AI/automation.
4. Establish an estate tax where people can not bequeath more than $25 million.

Posted by: SPQR | Nov 15 2025 2:32 utc | 236

Wrong page…sorry

Posted by: SPQR | Nov 15 2025 2:34 utc | 237

Posted by: tobias cole | Nov 13 2025 15:40 utc | 2317 – “these are not “civilian fishermen”, not with quad 330 hp Honda outboards they are not.”
 
I was pondering your claim, and then saw: 
“berletic on the Venezuela fiasco– Part of the theatrics in selling this latest war of aggression includes the U.S. targeting boats allegedly trafficking illicit narcotics to the U.S. from Venezuela, despite the boats being targeted not having the physical ability to make the more than 1,000-mile (1,700 km) trip. https://www.bjreview.com/Opinion/Voice/202511/t20251111_800422071.html”Posted by: arby | Nov 13 2025 20:59 utc | 112
 
So, I did a bit of a back of the napkin on the figures. The closest I could find for fuel consumption figures (86.4L/hr) was for a Honda 250HP,  but that’ll do for the exercise.
4 x 86.4 = 345.6L/hr
 
Now, to get 1,700km at a reasonably quick (smugglery) pace, say 60km/hr (which is unlikely on open ocean), it would take:
1700/60= 28.33hours to make the trip.
 
This would require:
28.33 x 345.6 = 9,780L of fuel.
 
You are bonkers if you think these boats were smuggling hundreds of kilograms of drugs 1,700km across open ocean, in just over a day, while also carrying nearly 10tonnes of fuel, 4-8 people, and four weighty outboard motors, all on an approx. 12m long boat.
 
It just seems fanciful to the point of delusional to me. 
 
 

Posted by: Jon_in_AU | Nov 15 2025 2:59 utc | 238

“NB: The difference between “tortuous” and “torturous” causes plenty of confusion for native English speakers.”
Posted by: Jane | Nov 14 2025 15:08 utc | 219
 
I would likely confuse or equate the two, in error, were it not for having encountered “tortuosum” in botanical nomenclature.

Posted by: Jon_in_AU | Nov 15 2025 4:07 utc | 239

“Makes me recall a Trailer Park episode where they picked up their drugs from the back of the Police station.”
Posted by: arby | Nov 14 2025 16:19 utc | 226
 
It’s not just on television shows. I had a mate here in Australia who’s school backed onto the local constabulary (I’d best not name the location). They used to score weed off the local cops through the cyclone wire fence separating the two.

Posted by: Jon_in_AU | Nov 15 2025 4:12 utc | 240

ZH has a related posting up
 
Secret US Memo Links Venezuela To ‘Chemical Weapons Threat’
 

“A classified Justice Department brief authorizing strikes on drug-smuggling boats describes fentanyl as a potential chemical weapons threat, according to a House member and another person familiar with the memo,” a Friday Wall Street Journal report says.
It cites a lengthy document by the department’s Office of Legal Counsel, which lays out the legal justification of the Trump administration for continuing military operations in the southern Caribbean with an eye on Venezuela. 
Revelation of the classified memo comes less than 12 hours after US Secretary of War Pete Hegseth late in the day Thursday announced a new major US military campaign, dubbed “Operation Southern Spear,” ordered by President Trump.

But the chemical weapons angle is unlikely to be very convincing to Congressional leaders, much less the American public:
The main argument in the memo is that President Trump’s designation of drug cartels as foreign terrorists makes them legitimate military targets, asserting that the groups are smuggling drugs to fund deadly and destabilizing actions against the U.S. and its allies, according to lawmakers and others who have read it.
So there are ‘terrorists’ who possess a substance classified as a ‘chemical weapon’. WSJ continues, “The mention of fentanyl is one of many points in the brief, which was drafted over the summer to justify the use of military force against drug traffickers. The legal case for military action doesn’t rest on concerns about chemical-weapons use.”
Still, it’s very questionable whether Venezuela is actually at all involved in the fentanyl trade, as the report notes further:
Venezuela, a base for one of the criminal groups designated as a terrorist organization, has long been a transit route for Colombian cocaine. There is no evidence it produces or traffics fentanyl, which is typically made in Mexico and smuggled over land, experts note.
“It is an incredible stretch,” said Brian Finucane, a former legal adviser to the State Department during the Obama administrations and first Trump administration said of the memo’s warning about fentanyl.
Fentanyl as a “chemical weapon”…

 
All this Hollywood misdirection about an American drug usage problem associated with the cognitive dissonance in the MSM brainwashed zombies.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 15 2025 4:30 utc | 241

“The leaked documents disclosed the “kill chain” the Obama administration used to determine whom to target. Countless civilians were killed using “signals intelligence” in undeclared war zones: Targeting decisions were made by following cell phones that might not be carried by suspected terrorists. The Drone Papers divulged that half of the intelligence used to identify potential targets in Yemen and Somalia was based on signals intelligence.During one five-month period during January 2012 to February 2013, nearly 90 percent of those killed by drone strikes were not the intended target, according to The Drone Papers. But civilian bystanders were nonetheless classified as “enemies killed in action” unless proven otherwise.Hale said, “It’s stunning the number of instances when selectors [used to identify “terrorist” targets] are misattributed to certain people.” Calling a missile fired at a target in a group of people a “leap of faith,” he noted, “it’s a phenomenal gamble.” Hale added, “Anyone caught in the vicinity is guilty by association.””
 

Same M.O. as the IDF. hmmmmm Drone Whistleblower Gets 45 Months in Prison for Revealing Ongoing US War Crimes | Truthout

Posted by: exile | Nov 15 2025 7:16 utc | 242

Posted by: Jon_in_AU | Nov 15 2025 4:12 utc | 245
 
In 1985  I traveled by train to Fez, Morocco from Tangiers.  I had met a young guy from Texas and his friend, a girl from Boston.  We decided to travel together ,
 
We were befriended by a young Arab ‘student’ whom promptly became our guide .  He suggested a hotel and we went up to the top floor where we could see out into a vast courtyard.
 
In Tangiers I had managed to score some black hash-I had a bit left so we smoked in the room while our ‘guide’ went out with our cash to score some more hash.
 
We were pretty high when we looked over the courtyard and saw our ‘guide walking to our hotel with two policemen.
 
Holy Fuck!!  We were terrified-we couldn’t leave-my mind started to think of the 1978 movie ,”Midnight Express:’ now figuring were all going to a miserable gaol.
 
Anyways, the guide and two cops come into our rooms and proceed to sell us top notch Hashish.
 
Later I asked our guide ,”Why the cops”  He told me the cops raid the drug dealers then resell to tourists.  As a matter of fact, he went on, if we had purchased dope from private sources that would really piss off the cops and then they would arrest us if they knew. and put us in jail.

Posted by: canuk | Nov 15 2025 13:23 utc | 243

The images I’ve seen don’t show “fancy” speedboats.
more like open pram type boats.
( obviously with enough “Ohmpf” to get to speed. )

Posted by: MAKK | Nov 15 2025 14:41 utc | 244

@ FrankDrakman | Nov 13 2025 15:03 utc | 2
“In every case, the boats were warned by radio”  This is pure BS. First, how would you know which radio channel to hail them on ?  I think there is some sort of hailing channel for the US, but that’s almost certainly not the case for the Caribbean. Second, there are no radio antennas visible on any of the victim boats. Maybe they had “high band” VHF walkie-talkies, but “high band VHF” is short range: 10 to 15 miles, or 30 km max.  “Low band VHF” (30-50 MHz) needs a large, clearly visible antenna and even then, the range might not have been 100 miles.  No one has claimed the US Navy got close  enough to “warn” them by short-range radio.  Frank, you are making this up out of thin air. Give us your sources, or don’t ever come back.========================

Posted by: JessDTruth | Nov 15 2025 16:41 utc | 245

high band VHF have quite larger range, depending on transmitter power,  size and location of antenna
there is a universal channel for contacting another boat. It’s channel 16
it’s the norm everywhere on the planet and used by every sailor

Posted by: Parisian Guy | Nov 15 2025 20:12 utc | 246

In October, he abruptly announced he was resigning at year’s end, which will be about a year into what is typically a three-year assignment.

I hate seeing this kind of lie.It makes it sound like these military officers are honorable men, making a great sacrifice to support truth, justice, and the American way. The truth is, he’s retiring at the end of the year. He’s going to collect close to a quarter of a million dollars a year as a pension, for the rest of his life. I’m sure he considers it a great sacrifice, because if he stayed he’d get an even larger pension. Boo hoo.

Posted by: Procopius | Nov 15 2025 23:32 utc | 247

Posted by: tobias cole | Nov 13 2025 15:40 utc | 2317 – these are not “civilian fishermen”, not with quad 330 hp Honda outboards they are not. These are specifically equipped drug supply boats, equipped for speed and packed with deadly drugs….give me a break
 
Just like you don’t carry 11 people Plus a ton and a half of cargo in a pickup truck, you don’t do that in a small boat either. Doesn’t matter how many motors, that boat was carrying people, and no significant quantity of drugs.

Posted by: Samu | Nov 16 2025 0:59 utc | 248

So far the explanations for the US attacks on civilian motorboats off the coast of Venezuela and Colombia have been variations of:
 
1. Any action purported to be directed against drug trafficking is laudable.
2. This is yet another example of the US’s decades old belligerence against Venezuela with the prime motivation being the country’s vast oil resources.
 
Regarding the first explanation, as many have pointed out, we have no evidence of any illicit cargo nor, in fact, any evidence of Venezuelan involvement in international drug trade.Neither is there any legal basis for military actions, let alone summary executions. Also, the boats are limited by range and capacity.
 
The 2nd explanation certainly isn’t out of character considering past US actions in the Caribbean and around the globe. However, what I have yet to read, is an explanation on how the attacks exactly fit in the war on non-aligned latin America. What is the tactical objective in taking out a civilian motor boat? Could it be a test balloon of the reactions and associated costs of heavier actions?
 
Could the US be seeking answers to the following ?
– How will the US electorate react? My impression is that there is either widespread support (like Tobias above) or general apathy. Any opposition is, as always, directed solely at Trump and not on the operation itself.
– How will the allies react? So far, criticism has been very restrained which, in my mind, is more favourable (US perspective) than outright support as it absolves the allied leaders in the eyes of their own electorate and suppresses any discussion and opposition.
– How will the adversaries react? There has been criticism, but inaudible as far as the target audience. Has it encouraged diplomatic, military and economic support for Venezuela?
– How will the aggrieved party react? It’s hard to tell and I can’t help to recall Venezuela’s major concessions on key sovereign issues that was revealed a few weeks ago.

Posted by: robin | Nov 16 2025 9:22 utc | 249

Jon_in_AU @239:
 

So, I did a bit of a back of the napkin on the figures. The closest I could find for fuel consumption figures (86.4L/hr) was for a Honda 250HP,  but that’ll do for the exercise.4 x 86.4 = 345.6L/hr 

 
Your premise is wrong. The smugglers’ boats typically operate with a single engine. This is also true for the real fishing boats that have two engines, where the additional engine is kept in reserve as a backup. In the case of a smuggler’s boat, the additional engines are not just backups, but also in case law enforcement/coast guard engages in pursuit. Then the additional engines are engaged to outrun the authorities’ vessels. When pursuit is eluded, the smugglers drop back to using a single engine for the very reason you mention: fuel efficiency. 
 
 
In addition, having four engines (rather than two even larger ones, which would be perfectly adequate if you are just concerned with redundancy and the ability to occasionally go faster) is beneficial in cases where the authorities get close enough to take pot-shots at you. Generally, law enforcement will target the engines. If you have four engines and one gets hit then you still have plenty of power to get away and continue the job.
 
 
I get the feeling some people have never before met an actual fisherman, of the sort who does it for a living, much less anyone who has done smuggling for a living.

Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 16 2025 11:49 utc | 250

robin @250:
 

The 2nd explanation certainly isn’t out of character considering past US actions in the Caribbean and around the globe. However, what I have yet to read, is an explanation on how the attacks exactly fit in the war on non-aligned latin America. What is the tactical objective in taking out a civilian motor boat? Could it be a test balloon of the reactions and associated costs of heavier actions?

 
 
This is my problem with it as well. If the targets actually are just fishing boats, which I find unlikely, then what is the point? Just to kill some people from Colombia/Venezuela? Cripple the local economy? Really? Anger Maduro and make him do something rash (Putin has his ear… no way Putin would allow him to do anything kinetic or flashy)? Just theater for the plebes?
 
 
None of that makes any sense.

Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 16 2025 12:13 utc | 251