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November 13, 2025
Justice Department Office Which Justified Torture Now Argues For Killing

In 2003 the U.S. Justice Department’s Office of Legal Council (OLC) issued a memo which declared the use of torture in ‘authorized military interrogations’ as legal when done under the ‘president’s constitutional authority to direct a war’.

The memo was widely condemned. The Obama administration withdrew it but refrained from prosecuting the torturers which had used it as cover.

The Trump administration now issued a comparable OLC memo to justify its wanton killing of alleged drug smugglers at sea.

Starting in September the Trump administration announced 19 strikes on boats in the Caribbean which have killed at least 76 seafarers. Most of them were random poor people:

One was a fisherman struggling to eke out a living on $100 a month. Another was a career criminal. A third was a former military cadet. And a fourth was a down-on-his-luck bus driver.

The men had little in common beyond their Venezuelan seaside hometowns and the fact all four were among the more than 60 people killed since early September when the U.S. military began attacking boats that the Trump administration alleges were smuggling drugs.

The argument of the new OLC memo is even more frivolous (archived) than the torturous reasoning of the former one:

The opinion, which runs nearly 50 pages, also argues that the United States is in a “non-international armed conflict” waged under the president’s Article II authorities, a core element to the analysis that the strikes are permissible under domestic law.

The armed-conflict argument, which was also made in a notice to Congress from the administration last month, is fleshed out in more detail by the OLC. The opinion also states that drug cartels are selling drugs to finance a campaign of violence and extortion, according to four people.

That assertion, which runs counter to the conventional wisdom that traffickers use violence to protect their drug business, appears to be part of the effort to shoehorn the fight against cartels into a law-of-war framework, analysts said.

The true purpose of drug cartels is obviously to make money. There is no evidence that any drug cartel ever has been or is in business because it wanted to create violence.

By framing the military campaign as a war, the administration is able to argue that murder statutes do not apply, said Sarah Harrison, a senior analyst with the International Crisis Group and a former Pentagon lawyer. “If the U.S. is at war, then it would be lawful to use lethal force as a first resort,” she said. The president, she argued, “is fabricating a war so that he can get around the restrictions on lethal force during peacetime, like murder statutes.”

There is nobody internationally who will accept such a stupid argument as justification for blowing up random boats at sea.

UN officials have condemned such strikes:

Volker Türk, the U.N. High Commissioner for Human Rights, has called for an investigation into the strikes, in what appeared to mark the first such condemnation of its kind from a United Nations organization.

“These attacks and their mounting human cost are unacceptable,” Ravina Shamdasani, a spokeswoman for Türk’s office, relayed his message on Friday at a regular U.N. briefing.

“The U.S. must halt such attacks and take all measures necessary to prevent the extrajudicial killing of people aboard these boats.”

She said Türk believed “airstrikes by the United States of America on boats in the Caribbean and in the Pacific violate international human rights law.”

At the recent meeting of the G7 foreign ministers the French publicly declared that any such boat strikes are illegal:

In what appears to be the most significant condemnation so far from a G7 ally, France’s foreign minister says that the deadly boat strikes carried out by the United States in the Caribbean since early September violate international law.

“We have observed with concern the military operations in the Caribbean region, because they violate international law and because France has a presence in this region through its overseas territories, where more than a million of our compatriots reside,” Barrot said.

Britain is allegedly withholding some intelligence from the U.S. because of concern about the boat strikes.

U.S. Secretary of State Marco Rubio denies that but British officials confirmed their standpoint:

Marco Rubio has denied claims Britain stopped intelligence sharing with the US over its strikes on “narcoboats” in the Caribbean.

It was a “false story”, Mr Rubio said, adding the US had a strong partnership with the UK.

However, British officials reportedly believed the strikes, which have killed at least 76 people, break international law and agree with an assessment by the UN’s human rights chief that they amount to “extrajudicial killing”.

Colombian President Gustavo Petro has likewise stopped intelligence sharing on the issue:

“The fight against drugs must be subordinated to the human rights of the Caribbean people,” Petro said on X.

Earlier this fall, Petro accused U.S. government officials of murder, alleging that a casualty of a mid-September strike was an innocent Colombian fisherman.

Anyone in the U.S. intelligence services and military should be aware that taking part in such strikes is a criminal endeavor which may get them prosecuted in international courts.

The OLC memo is a way too flimsy a cover to protect anyone.

An admiral recognized this and skipped out:

Top officers, including Adm. Alvin Holsey, the head of Southern Command, sought caution on such strikes, according to two people, who like several others interviewed for this story spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the matter’s sensitivity.

Holsey wanted to make sure any option presented to the president was fully vetted first, one person said. In October, he abruptly announced he was resigning at year’s end, which will be about a year into what is typically a three-year assignment.

More soldiers should follow the man’s example.

Comments

I dealt with the Office of Legal Counsel when I was working as a staff member of Congress over thirty years ago.  Even then, it’s job was to justify whatever the president wanted to do, and it appears that things haven’t changed much.

Posted by: Diversity Heretic | Nov 13 2025 14:58 utc | 1

In every case, the boats were warned by radio to turn back, but they continued, and were blown out of the water. The villagers admit that every one of the boats carried drugs. So, b, are you now reduced to defending people who help import deadly drugs into civilized countries, with no concern for the multiple overdoses and suicides their product cause.?
Don’t ask me to cry for people who knowingly take on criminal activities for money. 

Posted by: FrankDrakman | Nov 13 2025 15:03 utc | 2

just posted in the omnibus thread. It perhaps more properly belongs here..
 
US Hands Off Latin America! Halt Trump’s Killing Spree!
 
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2025/11/13/lzhi-n13.html
 
“The sailing of the aircraft carrier USS Gerald R Ford into Caribbean waters has dramatically escalated the threat of an imminent US imperialist war against Venezuela and Latin America more broadly.
 
Having carried out a savage series of what the United Nations has described as ‘extra-judical executions’ and war crimes, US imperialism is now preparing for greater atrocities…”

Posted by: John Gilberts | Nov 13 2025 15:08 utc | 3

Don’t ask me to cry for people who knowingly take on criminal activities for money. 
Posted by: FrankDrakman | Nov 13 2025 15:03 utc | 2
 
Neat. So execution is now the remedy for drug trafficking??? Will the Yanks be doing that also in the big cities in the US?
 
I wonder why Yanks need to anesthetize themselves with drugs- instead of experiencing the Amerikan Dream untainted in all its glory??? 

Posted by: Original Newbie | Nov 13 2025 15:08 utc | 4

How about a strike on an airplane carrying the officially acknowledged international criminal Netanyahu and/or one of his criminal buddies.
 
That would be a heck of a lot easier to justify.

Posted by: Jane | Nov 13 2025 15:10 utc | 5

Don’t ask me to cry for people who knowingly take on criminal activities for money.
 
Posted by: FrankDrakman | Nov 13 2025 15:03 utc | 2
 
#######
 
Now apply this logic to politicians and oligarchs.
 
Maybe some genociders too.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 13 2025 15:10 utc | 6

Don’t ask me to cry for people who knowingly take on criminal activities for money.
 
Posted by: FrankDrakman | Nov 13 2025 15:03 utc | 2
 
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Basically the entire US armed forces engage in aggression for money…
 

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 13 2025 15:12 utc | 7

I dont think U.S admirals are scared of getting prosecuted by a non-Americam court. How would they be brought to justice?

Posted by: Timur | Nov 13 2025 15:17 utc | 8

@ FrankDrakman | Nov 13 2025 15:03 utc | 2 who also needs to supply a link about the claim that all the boats were warned by radio and more links from them villager types proving there were large amounts of drugs on the boats.
 
I will leave the rest of your displayed ignorance to other barflies

Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 13 2025 15:18 utc | 9

Well Mr. Nr. 2: We should Nuke Langley then. From Orbit, to make sure….

Posted by: Nobody | Nov 13 2025 15:19 utc | 10

“Anyone in the U.S. intelligence services and military should be aware that taking part in such strikes is a criminal endeavor which may get them prosecuted in international courts.”
Ha!  If Israel and Netanyahoo can prance around the world freely after killing over a million innocents live on television, I don’t think anyone in the Imperialist orbit will have to worry about being prosecuted for anything.  The reality is that so called “International law” exists on paper and that’s it.  The Nazis had plenty of laws meant to provide a semblance of fairness too.  
In the hands of the bourgeois, the law is a farce, a mere PR mechanism.  Only organized counter force can make Imperialism think twice.  

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Nov 13 2025 15:20 utc | 11

Trickle Down Crimminal Stupidity…..

Posted by: Nobody | Nov 13 2025 15:20 utc | 12

Obombem accomplished much for the devil.

Posted by: Not Ewe | Nov 13 2025 15:25 utc | 13

as you and Elon Musk and Chuck Schumer and Starmtrooper and Suckerborg and world’s greatest superhero Zelenski, 2nd only to Bibi, all know, the safest way to not get stomped on by Big B is to be on your knees licking his boots. 
 
can’t wait to hear from the zio-whiners about how serial child rapist Trump who bought every wife he had is a victim of “lawfare” and the bbc is mean to him.

Posted by: duck n cover | Nov 13 2025 15:25 utc | 14

Posted by: FrankDrakman | Nov 13 2025 15:03 utc | 2
sorry, my post was meant for you.

Posted by: duck n cover | Nov 13 2025 15:26 utc | 15

It’s so cute that somebody pretends the US government is not lying, especially when we all know that President Turnip and spokes-clowns are just trying to find an opponent weak enough that good-ole-US won’t be too embarrassed by after their humiliation to Afghanistan, Iraq, and Yemen.
.
 
 

Posted by: Polli | Nov 13 2025 15:27 utc | 16

So, b, are you now reduced to defending people who help import deadly drugs into civilized countries, with no concern for the multiple overdoses and suicides their product cause.?Don’t ask me to cry for people who knowingly take on criminal activities for money. 
Posted by: FrankDrakman | Nov 13 2025 15:03 utc | 2
 
So, why isn’t the demand itself being reduced? America fronts for the greatest propaganda machine the world has ever known. But they can’t reduce demand? My ass.
 
Why aren’t the parents being held accountable? Or the addicts themselves who obviously make the choice to purchase and ingest said drugs? Are they so innocent? No. They bear a responsibility for their own decisions. They should be held accountable for those personal choices. 
 
Another fucking war on the innocent, another distraction from Epstein and the murderous cunts in Israel as well as the loss in Ukraine. 
 
You know, the civilians, the fishermen, being murdered to satisfy Greater Israel’s bloodlust as well as sate Trump’s fears are only the latest victims. If Israel was given the entire world, it would never be enough blood for them. They need to be put down like the rabid dogs they are. And take all of DC with them.
 
 

Posted by: Nooneuknow | Nov 13 2025 15:29 utc | 17

In every case, the boats were warned by radio to turn back, but they continued, and were blown out of the water. The villagers admit that every one of the boats carried drugs. So, b, are you now reduced to defending people who help import deadly drugs into civilized countries, with no concern for the multiple overdoses and suicides their product cause.?Don’t ask me to cry for people who knowingly take on criminal activities for money. 
Posted by: FrankDrakman | Nov 13 2025 15:03 utc | 2
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Hi, Frank!! Love your logic!
Of course it was the fishermen who should have warned US bombers to “turn back”!!
In and over international waters, anyone can do the “ordering,” right??
Multiple official sources have confirmed that the bombers were carrying lethal weapons whose purpose is to kill people.
When the bombers  did not turn back, obviously they and their crews and their bombs should have been blasted out of the sky, by God.

Posted by: Jane | Nov 13 2025 15:31 utc | 18

Unlike innocent Palestinian civilians, the drug cartels deserve everything they are getting and more……..
They basically run Mexico, assassinate municipal officials, bribe federal and local police, stage prostitution rings, import thousands of tons of fent, meth, heroin, laced weed and coke into the US and other countries, kill innocent civilians, have huge armed forces.
Yup, they are responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of US citizens……..cap them all……..

Posted by: tobias cole | Nov 13 2025 15:35 utc | 19

So 19 boats and 79 humans.  
Were there any boats that had just two people in the boat which is what you would expect with drug runners?
 
So it has taken a couple months to create 50 pages of legal BS to attempt to justify these murders………at what cost, long run financial and moral?
 
This is how the Western form of barbaric patriarchy organizational sausage is going to change to something hopefully better.  Humanity needs to see enough bad to instantiate the rejection and force change.
 
The shit show continues until it doesn’t and the future is all around us but not evenly distributed.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 13 2025 15:37 utc | 20

Only a real deranged person like Trump could think he would get away with his association with Epstein . His mentors knew all the way that this was the way they would own him when needed. By then, they just had to please him and comfort him.
 

Posted by: Tom | Nov 13 2025 15:39 utc | 21

Since early September, U.S. forces have carried out 14 Reaper drone strikes on boats in the Caribbean and Pacific, killing at least 62 people. DJT says the strikes are legal, and that the boats were trafficking drugs. The Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel has deemed the strikes lawful.
 
 
The Office of Legal Counsel is a division of the Justice Department that interprets the law for the executive branch. It has played this role for decades, issuing opinions that bind federal agencies on matters ranging from Social Security to veterans’ affairs to immigrants’ rights.
 
 
After Sept. 11, the office was called on by both the shrub-Bush and Obama administrations to resolve questions relating to national security.  It told shrub-Bush that the National Security Agency could listen to Americans’ phone calls without warrants, for instance, and that the Taliban were not entitled to the protections usually accorded prisoners of war.  It assured the C.I.A. that it could lawfully torture prisoners overseas.  Later, it concluded that the Constitution’s due process clause was no obstacle to the government’s summary execution of an American terrorism suspect.
 
 
The Office of Legal Counsel’s war-on-terror opinions might have provoked debate, and even popular fury, if they had been disclosed soon after they were written, but the Justice Department relied on national security justifications to keep them from the public for years.
 
 
As a result, significant errors in the office’s legal analyses went unidentified and uncorrected, even as agencies relied on them to carry out policies that were deeply inconsistent with American law and democratic values. Public debate on matters of profound consequence unfolded in an information environment distorted by official secrecy, misdirection and selective disclosure.
 
 
Office of Legal Counsel memos related to drone strikes were also withheld from the public, with the Obama administration warning courts that their disclosure could cause grave harm. For instance, the memo authorizing the killing of Anwar al-Awlaki, an American accused of plotting against the United States, was withheld for four years, even as government officials freely leaked cherry-picked information about U.S. drone strikes to the press.
 
 
American courts tend to be deferential to the executive branch in cases involving national security.  Both the shrub-Bush and Obama administrations repeatedly relied on that deference for their most consequential decisions & policies in the years after Sept. 11 in an effort to control what the public learned and believed about their policies
 
 
When the DJT administration’s OLC memo comes before the courts, as it almost certainly will, judges may in fact extend the same deference to his administration.  It’s not as if the air strikes on alleged narco-terrorists falls uniquely outside the rule of law which presidents like shrub-Bush and Obama employed.
 
 
The War Powers Act of 1973 says presidents may deploy the military in hostile situations only with prior congressional authorization or if the country is under attack.  Every subsequent president since Nixon has exceeded that limit, treating the provision as too narrow to be constitutional. Congress has acquiesced by not impeaching any president for doing so.
 
 
Another part of the law said Congress could order a president to immediately end an operation through a kind of resolution that presidents cannot veto.  That clause was effectively struck down in 1983 when the Supreme Court ended so-called legislative vetoes of executive actions, saying that Congress could only legally act by passing measures that presidents could veto.
 
 
Clinton justified the bombardment of Kosovo in 1999 under the War Powers Act.  Ditto w/ Obama and his air attack over Libya in 2011.  Obama’s team argued that the Libya action did not violate the War Powers Act because the air strikes did not amount to “hostilities.”  Obama’s team claimed that their reasoning was based more on the idea that there was little risk of U.S. casualties, because there were no ground troops and of course Libyans could not shoot back.
 
 
It is a hideous assessment, but this is the argument that passed muster w/ Obama’s team.
 
 
By expanding on Obama’s precedent, DJT is more deeply entrenching the idea that the 60-day limit does not apply to air wars.  That is an important development in the history of the War Powers Act for which presidents of both parties have found workarounds over the past half century.
 
 
In notable ways DJT’s actions are congruent w/ the liberties presidents before him have utilized.  What’s strange, though, is the hyperventilating over DJT’s actions as if they fall aberrantly out of the rationale other presidents have employed. I t is safe to say that DJT and his admin receive singularly hyperbolic media coverage, unparalleled in the media coverage of prior administrations.  On account of this media eccentricity, this unmatched perseveration, the propaganda saturation around DJT’s actions is particularly intense.  The same words surface: authoritarian, dictatorial, tyrannical.
 
 
The media applies these same words to articles covering the air strikes on alleged narco-terrorists as they do on articles covering the new ballroom for the White House. In fact, the Atlantic described DJT’s plans for the ballroom as “utterly abandoning the precedent established in 1900.” In other words, they have to tie themselves into pretzel knots to dredge up exactly how it is that the aberrant DJT is aberrantly running roughshod over architecture & decency.
 
 
Peculiarly, DJT gets Putinized by the U.S.’s own domestic media, that is: given the negatively biased treatment reserved in particular for VVP.

Posted by: steel_porcupine | Nov 13 2025 15:39 utc | 22

17 – these are not “civilian fishermen”, not with quad 330 hp Honda outboards they are not.  These are specifically equipped drug supply boats, equipped for speed and packed with deadly drugs….give me a break with bs.
These folks are criminal scum…….

Posted by: tobias cole | Nov 13 2025 15:40 utc | 23

Posted by: steel_porcupine | Nov 13 2025 15:39 utc | 22
 
RE:   amended:  19 strikes on boats in the Caribbean since September which have killed at least 76 mariners

Posted by: steel_porcupine | Nov 13 2025 15:44 utc | 24

Two thoughts: 1) To some extent this is nothing new. Bush and O’bomber had no qualms about blowing up funeral processions and wedding parties in Afghanistan. O’bomber even droned American citizens–Anwar al Awlaki and his son. In total O’bomber attacked seven Muslim countries in six years. Push back from Congress critters and the mainstream media was virtually nil.
2) When a bully like Trump can’t have his way with powerful countries like Russia and China, he instinctively resorts to going after those who can’t fight back. Supposedly this is a way (albeit pathetic) to show American resolve and resilience and demonstrate “credibility.” This goes all the way back to the Barbary pirates and continued with Reagan’s attack on Grenada and the illegal support of the Sandinistas, Bush’s attack on Panama.
Trump is only the latest psychopath to occupy the Oval Office with the gleeful support of most Congress critters.

Posted by: JohnH | Nov 13 2025 15:46 utc | 25

the drug cartels deserve everything they are getting and more……..They basically run Mexico
Posted by: tobias cole | Nov 13 2025 15:35 utc | 19
 
So, why was a jewess installed as president in Mexico? A gal no one ever heard of until voila, there she is at the top of the so-called elected foodchain. Seems to me, the biggest cartel in the world, Israel, put her there, just like they’ve facilitated every other bad thing on this Earth that makes them money and/or sates their bloodlusts, including and especially the “drug” cartels.

Posted by: Nooneuknow | Nov 13 2025 15:46 utc | 26

Clinton had no justification for bombing Serbia, and Kosovo.  The Serb government posed absolutely no threat to US national security what so ever.
This was a carefully planned NATO regime change attempt backed by the WEF and the EU in favor of Kosovian jihadiis supplied by Turkey and SA.  Just as NATO approved the attacks on the Serb Republic of Krajina (and massacred thousands of Serb civilians), and the continued attacks (to this day) on the Serb Republic of Bosnia.
The attacks on Serbia also assisted in diverting attention from Billy Boy’s WH sex scandal.
In contrast, the drug cartels are objectively responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of American civilians.

Posted by: tobias cole | Nov 13 2025 15:48 utc | 27

“Every ten years or so, the United States needs to pick up some small crappy little country and throw it against the wall, just to show the world we mean business,” (Michael Ledeen)

Posted by: Asian Frog | Nov 13 2025 15:52 utc | 28

A simple test is to swap the parties.
Is Venezuelan president Maduro entitled to sink US yachts off the coast New York or San Francisco if he claims they are smuggling drugs, or pose a national security risk to Venezuela?
If the OLC says he is, and if they maintain that position after the first American yachts with their passengers have been eliminated, then we can start discussing their argument. If they right to kill people applies solely to the US government, it is no right.
Before anybody rushes to decisions, you may want to think carefully about what President Trump said about Ukraine attacking civilian (!) targets in Russia: “You can’t win a war if you don’t take it to your enemy.” Should America attack Venezuela, the same logic that  Trump used to justify Ukrainian attacks on civilian targets in Russia will allow Venezuela to attack civilian infrastructure in the United States. Using weapons and intelligence provided by anybody who wants to help Venezuela.
Lady Justice is blind. Any right granted to one person is a right granted to every other person on the planet!

Posted by: Marvin | Nov 13 2025 15:58 utc | 29

Holsey’s resignation cannot be assumed to have anything at all to do with the illegalities of the strikes. Indeed, silence on the issue is tacit endorsement. If Holsey thought the orders were illegal, his duty was to reject them, not resign. 
 
Patriots stand with their government. Trump is President. People who aspire to internationalism as well as the love of their country (like peculiar people who aspire to love of humanity as well as their own families) may disagree, but they are not the majority.
 
The issue of the true purposes of cartels is a red herring in my opinion. An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth and a life for a life, the principle lex talionis, has sometimes been held to be a lower moral standard. But death for drug smuggling? That does not even rise to that level! My opinion is it’s just as wrong as when Trump does it as when Duterte did it. (Some semiliterate Christians may be confused by obscure verses, such as the one with “forgive seven times seventy…” But conservatives know you have to use their common sense when you read the Bible so you understand it correctly, which is their way.) 
 
Theologically, human sacrifice to your God has always found its proponents. Killing in obedience to Trump is therefore a meritorious act in and of itself. The only problem for most of MoA commentariat is whether this is prelude to yet another losing war, what Trump calls a forever war. I am skeptical as to that point. Even more, I believe this evil is sufficient unto the day and we don’t need to worry about something really bad might happen later—something really bad is already happening.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Nov 13 2025 16:01 utc | 30

More soldiers should follow the man’s example.
 

Posted by b on November 13, 2025 at 14:55 UTC | Permalink
 

 
Soldiers do not have the option of resigning their commission.
 

Posted by: too scents | Nov 13 2025 16:05 utc | 31

Posted by: FrankDrakman | Nov 13 2025 15:03 utc | 2
 
There’s a thing called Due Process.  The Coast Guard or any of the warships could’ve waited until they got to their destination if they were drug running.  You’re full of sh*t and you know it.  “Deadly drugs”?!  Yeah, ok.  You’re what we call a “concerned troll”.  And no doubt you have ZERO PROOF they were actually running drugs and if they were, they’re no different than the CIA. (Gary Webb ring a bell/??

Posted by: MarcusAurelius | Nov 13 2025 16:06 utc | 32

@2
well Frank, where there is demand there will ALWAYS be supply.

Posted by: Fred777 | Nov 13 2025 16:10 utc | 33

comes down to who makes the laws and what the powers that be think they can get away with… essentially legalizing the illegal is what colonialists and authoritarain gov’ts do… thus the trump gov’t… if it walks and acts like a duck, it’s a duck…  thanks b… 

Posted by: james | Nov 13 2025 16:17 utc | 34

It’s no use talking to Frank Drakman.  You’re not going to turn a whore into a housewife, guys.  He’s not confused.  He is what he is: another house slave fanboy of ‘massa”.  Just mark him down and move on.  

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Nov 13 2025 16:17 utc | 35

@ FrankDrakman | Nov 13 2025 15:03 utc | 2
 
how do you know that?? because someone told you so?? murder without trail is what the usa is excelling at here.. no proof… just someone telling frank ”it is so”… 

Posted by: james | Nov 13 2025 16:19 utc | 36

But death for drug smuggling? That does not even rise to that level! My opinion is it’s just as wrong as when Trump does it as when Duterte did it. 
 
Posted by: steven t johnson | Nov 13 2025 16:01 utc | 30
 
So not very much? Indonesia, Malaysia, Singapore, the Philippines, Thailand, and especially China have no compunction against executing drug users. But oh no, that submarine was just full of fishermen tryin’ to feed dey families!
 
But I doubt there will be a war. There doesn’t have to be. The USA is imposing some lethal costs on the drug cartels which definitely aren’t Venezuelan. Maybe Maduro is doing so well economically he can survive that. Maybe not, though.

Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Nov 13 2025 16:20 utc | 37

Salaam,what’s good for the gander is good for the goose. FrankDrakman@2.How is one to deal with the leader in drug trafficking in the history of drug trafficking in the world- CIA of the USA! Cocaine Importing Agency-be it Iran-Contra,Noreiga,Afghan heroin or Columbian white-the guys and gals at Langley are head and shoulders above Pablo,Noreiga  and El Chapo combined.The OLC,is trying to ok extra judicial killings,just like torture being discriminated-“extraordinary rendition”,you got to hand the crown to these psychopaths -do they have a conscience.They are not human beings with a soul.Hunter Biden is a real lucky dude,he is just a user not a trafficker.

  • The murder of those seventy odd persons is  more blood on the empire of lies and hate hands! This “cartel/narco trafficking”  issue is another lie, just as the Iraq’s WMD perfidy! This time to overthrow President Maduro.How many innocents were slaughtered when the US bombed the Chines embassy in Yugoslavia,or the USA munitions dropped on Palestinian children! Sad these Yankees love to bomb,bomb,bomb.Trying to justify murder.Donald take your  flotilla and head up north,and on you way stop over in Guantanamo take your all assets and all personnel and get to hell out of “our Americas”. Yankee go home now- enough of your wars.Salaam.

Posted by: 4q8 | Nov 13 2025 16:20 utc | 38

John Yoo was the author of Bush’s torture memo. That memo should be used to inform the interrogation of Trump and his minions to learn the real reasons they are committing murder in the Caribbean. 

Posted by: Keme | Nov 13 2025 16:23 utc | 39

Holsey’s resignation cannot be assumed to have anything at all to do with the illegalities of the strikes. Indeed, silence on the issue is tacit endorsement. If Holsey thought the orders were illegal, his duty was to reject them, not resign. 

Holsey kept his pension rather than perform his duty. 

Posted by: Keme | Nov 13 2025 16:33 utc | 40

I take it all the Reaper Drones they have left have been withdrawn from ME because they are scared of ME.Nevermind Venezuela getting help from China and or Russia.  They just need to ask the Houthis for some advice.
 

Posted by: Michael Droy | Nov 13 2025 16:34 utc | 41

Posted by: FrankDrakman | Nov 13 2025 15:03 utc | 2
So totally pisspoor is this ar*sole’s argument and logic that he should at once change his handle to FrankDrekman. Just plain drek! Not worth engaging with. 

Posted by: Vragtes | Nov 13 2025 16:35 utc | 42

“In contrast, the drug cartels are objectively responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of American civilians.”
 
 
Posted by: tobias cole | Nov 13 2025 15:48 utc | 27
 
I have to disagree.
 
If they wanted to find drugs, criminals then they board them oat sea with helicopter,boats, whatever the US has.  Then find out if they are indeed criminals or drug traffikers its still an illegal search.
 
And any intelligent operation would want to question the criminals, to find out about their orgs, yadda, yadda-maybe recruit some to infiltrate.   Or just survey them to find out other accomplices to widen the net -that’s how to do it..
 
This approach is not only unconstitutional, barbaric and retarded (see above) it seems like the Mossad have given one their own officers to attach to this US operation an d, “show them ho its done”.
 
FFS!!

Posted by: canuk | Nov 13 2025 16:36 utc | 43

Posted by: Original Newbie | Nov 13 2025 15:08 utc | 4
 
Yeah. Don’t give the self-righteous morons any ideas. I survived a tough 38 year career here. I don’t know how but I know that I’m very lucky to still be half sane with a modest retirement. Having any retirement income is rare to very rare now in the Imperial Homeland.
 
I prefer a good sativa. I’m older and can no longer tolerate the harder stuff. 

Posted by: Saint Jimmy | Nov 13 2025 16:38 utc | 44

@28
 
Ledeen would have probably been a better person if every 10 years someone had picked him up and thrown him against a wall.

Posted by: Fred777 | Nov 13 2025 16:41 utc | 45

The Americans have been sitting in the Caribbean for some time now, just blowing up the odd unarmed small boat. Starting to look like operation distraction.
 
The Nuremberg trials and the crime of aggression. Every single US military action outside their own territory since the end of WWII is the reason the Nazi leadership was tried at Nuremberg. How many people have the Americans killed since then? How many died in NK? Vietnam the figure was around 7 million.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 13 2025 16:43 utc | 46

“Holsey kept his pension rather than perform his duty. ”
 
Posted by: Keme | Nov 13 2025 16:33 utc | 40
 
Agreed.
 
But let’s de-construct old Holsey.  Most likely, Holsey has a wife.    If he refuses order get fired he loses his pension.  Wife makes the rest of his life hell for being such a .’nitwit’
 
Holsey makes the rational choice-deferring Hell-if he does the right thing he’s  Heaven eligible, but a living  Hell for the rest of his mortal days. 
 
 

Posted by: canuk | Nov 13 2025 16:44 utc | 47

Posted by: canuk | Nov 13 2025 16:44 utc | 47
 
Bingo…

Posted by: Saint Jimmy | Nov 13 2025 16:47 utc | 48

“I prefer a good sativa. I’m older and can no longer tolerate the harder stuff. ”
 
 
Posted by: Saint Jimmy | Nov 13 2025 16:38 utc | 44
 
I’m in the same class-my younger son smokes the ‘harder stuff’ and its too much or this old brain
 
Forty five years ago we smoked ‘home grown’ in my town, for the most part, and you couldn’t get a high as one does with a few drags of strong weed.

Posted by: canuk | Nov 13 2025 16:53 utc | 49

The Great Hoax Against Venezuela: Oil Geopolitics Disguised As ‘War on Drugs’
 
https://venezuelanalysis.com/opinion/the-great-hoax-against-venezuela-oil-geopolitics-disguised-as-war-on-drugs/
 
“Former UN anti-drugs agency director Pino Alacchi dismantles the Venezuela ‘narco-state’ narrative with 30 years of reliable data…”
 

Posted by: John Gilberts | Nov 13 2025 16:58 utc | 50

The Nuremberg trials and the crime of aggression. Every single US military action outside their own territory since the end of WWII is the reason the Nazi leadership was tried at Nuremberg. How many people have the Americans killed since then? How many died in NK? Vietnam the figure was around 7 million.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 13 2025 16:43 utc | 46

 
        September 1947 is when the CIA was formed-even before he became director  in 1953 Allen Dulles ran the show taking marching order from the City of London.  That is when all this mayhem started as you intelligently described in your post.

Posted by: canuk | Nov 13 2025 17:03 utc | 51

We can not even compare the genocidal homicidal psychopathic actions of IDF with the actions of the Northern Command.
And while I do share the concern about extrajudicial killings (as I recall Obama capped US citizens living in Yemen for example with out any oversight), this is a different and distinct situation.
One these are not US citizens.
Two these drug cartels have been declared as terrorist combatants, and they are just that.  Actively engaging in killing US agents and officers, importing deadly drugs of all types and responsible for killing hundreds of thousands of US citizens, murdering municipal officials by beheadings, running sex trafficing rings, gun running….they run Mexico for gosh sakes.
So yes, they are eligible for deadly action, and not without warning unlike the IDF nazis.
I have no sympathy for these drug thugs………..live by the sword and die by the sword.
 

Posted by: tobias cole | Nov 13 2025 17:05 utc | 52

We can not even compare the genocidal homicidal psychopathic actions of IDF with the actions of the Northern Command.
And while I do share the concern about extrajudicial killings (as I recall Obama capped US citizens living in Yemen for example with out any oversight), this is a different and distinct situation.
One these are not US citizens.
Two these drug cartels have been declared as terrorist combatants, and they are just that.  Actively engaging in killing US agents and officers, importing deadly drugs of all types and responsible for killing hundreds of thousands of US citizens, murdering municipal officials by beheadings, running sex trafficing rings, gun running….they run Mexico for gosh sakes.
So yes, they are eligible for deadly action, and not without warning unlike the IDF nazis.
I have no sympathy for these drug thugs………..live by the sword and die by the sword.
 

Posted by: tobias cole | Nov 13 2025 17:06 utc | 53

I assume that the murders are committed to elicit a reaction which will be used for much more murder and a bunch of devastation. It actually has nothing to do with any drug running.
 
 Concern trolls are trying to legitimize this bullshit.

Posted by: arby | Nov 13 2025 17:11 utc | 54

Posted by: FrankDrakman | Nov 13 2025 15:03 utc | 2
 
———-Your outsized confidence in stating “facts” aside, it is obvious that this is an exercise in intimidation directed at Venezuela that has nothing to do with drugs.
 
If US has solid Intel that these are drug boats ferrying drug/chemicals s to other larger boats or islands before they go to the USA, why not invest a small amount of effort to locate the larger more profitable players and either  arrest or assassinate them? Could it be that those upstream and downstream players are “protected” by leadership in their host countries? Or the CIA?

Posted by: Fool Me Twice | Nov 13 2025 17:13 utc | 55

We have a trillion $$$ military. Are the cretins defending these murders claiming our oh so well equipped military can’t pick up and arrest these poor bastards on their speedboats in the middle of the damn ocean, after telling us they’ve been under observation from when the source their “drugs”? Come on! This is not even serious. 
Arrest, interrogate, follow up, catch the leadership. This s how criminal networks are dismantled. That the military are not doing so tells you all you need to know. 

Posted by: Caliman | Nov 13 2025 17:15 utc | 56

@  tobias cole | Nov 13 2025 17:05 utc | 52
 
you’d be well suited to a dictatorship where conclusions are come to and people sentenced before they have been found to be guilty..  if you can live with this impression you leave to the posters at moa – continue on… it doesn’t look good either way..   this is my own conclusion on your ”conclusions’.. 

Posted by: james | Nov 13 2025 17:16 utc | 57

Late stage imploding empires are prone to slaughtering random people and changing their allegiances like they change socks. At this stage watch out: the US is like a dying grizzly that starts targeting garbage cans and hikers because it’s so hungry and can’t hunt anymore.

Posted by: Pym of Nantucket | Nov 13 2025 17:22 utc | 58

Posted by: FrankDrakman | Nov 13 2025 15:03 utc | 2
So would you support the execution of all the New York bankers that willingly hold the drug lords billions in their vaults?
Maybe write to The Donald.

Posted by: ChatNPC | Nov 13 2025 17:23 utc | 59

Considering the CIA is the world’s largest narcoterrorist organization..an undeniable fact that will be fully documented in history books and is not exactly hiding currently, this is all a bit rich.
Id like to see the cultists who suckle every turd falling from the American presidents arse have this operation come to America. Go kill the drug dealers, like Dirty Duterte. What could go wrong?
I myself welcome America tearing itself apart. Its gone full fascist. Led by a foreign puppet pedophile and with no moral compuctions, supported by sycophantic pseduointellectuals who could care less about atrocity. But put the shoe on their foot and how they would bitch and moan. Its coming, fuckheads. The comeuppance. And the world will celebrate.

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Nov 13 2025 17:23 utc | 60

I appears as the reign of the US as global super power winds down their rules are morphing, affording themselves an ability to legally murder anyone they want, anywhere. 

Posted by: annie | Nov 13 2025 17:31 utc | 61

You all know that this is a tactic to force Venezuela into starvation conditions. The US has been doing this to NK for years. Harvest season is stopped since all able bodied people will be expected to maintain a serious defense posture. Blowing up boats is a way to scare the fishermen from going out and doing their job of providing a protein source. This is all scare tactics intended to economically kill another country. I don’t think an invasion will happen, unless someone is itching for a wag the dog moment to avoid scrutiny. I remember one president waxing on about how Clinton would invade a country to avoid scrutiny for his indiscretions. Who knows, its so sad that others have to die for the sins of others.

Posted by: ChatET | Nov 13 2025 17:37 utc | 62

The killings are extrajudicial killings by the US Terrorist State – I’d wager they have no idea who is in those boats that they blow up, and I doubt they really care – its an act of intimidation aimed towards Venezuela – a ruse of stopping drug transportation that ends up in America – to give credence to a up and coming attack/invasion of Venezuela, to depose its democratically elected socialist president – to then replace him with a US puppet president, possibly María Corina Machado, who will allow the US an its allies to strip Venezuela of its assets – at great expense to the citizens of Venezuela.
 
The above is common knowledge, and its common knowledge that the US Terrorist State does what it wants – the only reason it hasn’t dove head first into attacking Venezuela yet,  is that – Russia, China and Iran have provide Venezuela with modern defensive and offensive weaponry – that will be a bit more difficult to over come – I’ve no doubt the Brits are involved in this somehow – they already illegally hold Venezuelan gold – seized when the US Terror States usurper elect Juan Guaido, declared that he was the real president of Venezuela – needless to say the people of Venezuela rejected this South American Obama lookalike – and rightly so.
 
 

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Nov 13 2025 17:38 utc | 63

Posted by: Pym of Nantucket | Nov 13 2025 17:22 utc | 58
 
Good analogy.
 
In Northern Ontario we have black bear, some brown bears that are ‘garbage dump beards’They just hang out at the local dump, and as they are omnivores they ‘clean up’ the organic material ;.  Then they get a taste for old processed food and sugar.
 
Ordinarily, the bears have no problem with their teeth.  However, with this dies they develop cavities and the severe pain drive these animals literally crazy.
 
Then they become dangerous.
 
 

Posted by: canuk | Nov 13 2025 17:40 utc | 64

Arguing about drugs and drug smugglers here is a waste of time. Not even the mighty USA brings aircraft carriers with thousands of troops to nail a few ‘drug smugglers’ in little open boats.

Posted by: arby | Nov 13 2025 17:40 utc | 65

Two these drug cartels have been declared as terrorist combatants, and they are just that.  Actively engaging in killing US agents and officers, importing deadly drugs of all types and responsible for killing hundreds of thousands of US citizens, murdering municipal officials by beheadings, running sex trafficing rings, gun running….they run Mexico for gosh sakes.So yes, they are eligible for deadly action, and not without warning unlike the IDF nazis.I have no sympathy for these drug thugs………..live by the sword and die by the sword. 
Posted by: tobias cole | Nov 13 2025 17:05 utc | 52
 
So far Trump has only murdered Venezuelans, Trinidadians and people from Tobago. So you can STFU about Mexico until that “phase” of the lawless murder spree starts.  Pathetic boot licking Trump cultist pussy. 

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Nov 13 2025 17:44 utc | 66

Posted by: arby | Nov 13 2025 17:40 utc | 65
 
Bingo. There’s a good reason all these people have been murdered nearest to Venezuela. And it starts with an “O” – but another reason too. And that one starts with an “S” – all of these Trump fellating cultist rats defending this as some sort of real war on drugs are a bunch of cowardly Empire cucks and/or way too easily propagandized from one minute to the next. 

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Nov 13 2025 17:46 utc | 67

Remember, no matter where you go or where you are from, “rule of m law” only applies to the peasants, never the ruling classes.  Hold your breath and kick your feet, it wont change.

Posted by: Matt | Nov 13 2025 17:48 utc | 68

Not even the mighty USA brings aircraft carriers with thousands of troops to nail a few ‘drug smugglers’ in little open boats.
 
Posted by: arby | Nov 13 2025 17:40 utc | 65
 
#######
 
Imagine if Maduro had a copy of the Epstein List. That’s invasion worthy!
 
Truth is, Maduro is an anti-Zionist and supports the Palestinians wholeheartedly, like most humans do.
 
Cuba is also ostracized for not kowtowing to the Zionists. North Korea, Iran, Yemen. Anyone who isn’t down with degeneracy and murder.
 
Maduro must go so that Zionist banking and porn can dominate the country!!!

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 13 2025 17:48 utc | 69

Posted by: arby | Nov 13 2025 17:40 utc | 65
 
If they were serious about smuggling, they would be deployed off Colombia and Ecuador. 

Posted by: Saint Jimmy | Nov 13 2025 17:50 utc | 70

Like I said the US Terrorist State does what it wants – especially in the central and South American sphere – the Monroe Doctrine all claims that this is American’s sphere and the old world countries should stay out – or ask permission to enter, but the US Terrorist State thinks the whole world is its sphere, and it can do what it wants from the South China seas, to the Canadian Arctic.
 
When the USS Gerald R Ford, the world’s largest aircraft carrier, arrives in the Caribbean, it will mark the completion of the biggest American military mobilisation since the Iraq War.
Some 10,000 troops have gathered in the region, backed up by dozens of warships, submarines and fighter jets, armed with hundreds of long-range missiles, Trinidad  and Tobago  has allowed the US Terrorists force – to to dock and play out their war game training plans – as most of world watches on as it has with the genocide in Gaza – the Yanks have no right to invade or attack Venezuela non whatsoever – yet this is what’s about to happen – oh the UN doe sits usual and condemns this and that as it has with Gaza, but talk as they say is cheap – much of what ails the world today is down to the US Terrorist States belligerent foreign policies – basically you have what we want – and we’ll fabricate some story, or false flag event – and blame you, then we’ll come and take what you have – so you’d better just give us what we want or else – spare a thought for the average citizens of Venezuela – who must be walking on eggs shells right now,  wondering when the US Terrorist State will attack them.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Nov 13 2025 17:52 utc | 71

Re the snuff vids the US military is putting out.
  Some of the Fishing Boats shown on the snuff  vids were blown up while Dead in the Water with outboard engine raised.  This is A maritime universal sign of surrender to a Man of War. Showing respect and that they are ready for boarding. 
Only Pirates kill people who surrender just for fun. 
 
 
 

Posted by: golddigger | Nov 13 2025 17:52 utc | 72

Is there less people having a problematic usage of drugs in the US since they started killing people ?
Are those killing really about narcotics problems ?
Obama droned the shit out of Taliban … is there less Taliban ? How did it ended ? 
See , the problem with violence is not so much it’s uses than it’s missuses… but a functioning brain is mandatory to understand that ^^.

Posted by: Savonarole | Nov 13 2025 17:53 utc | 73

Posted by: canuk | Nov 13 2025 16:53 utc | 49
 
Yeah… I grew up in south Texas during the 1970s…. 

Posted by: Saint Jimmy | Nov 13 2025 17:56 utc | 74

Link showing strike on boat dead in water with engine raised.
https://x.com/SecWar/status/1987863821868732447?s=20

Posted by: golddigger | Nov 13 2025 18:00 utc | 75

If the MAGA crowd and Trump were really interested in prosecuting those responsible for the US opioid epidemic (very few people die from primary crack or cocaine use) they’d go after the Sackler family. Except the Sacklers are rich, white, GOP donors. I bet they donated to Trump too. 

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Nov 13 2025 18:11 utc | 76

The coke which transit by these venezuelan boat is not bound to USA but to Europe.Think about thatIf you wonder why the UK is protesting the killing, ask the phantom of Gary Webb. He may have an explanation.

Posted by: Parisian Guy | Nov 13 2025 18:15 utc | 77

There is no longer a crack cocaine death or murderous gang epidemic in either the US, UK or EU. Powdered cocaine (unless laced with fentanyl or other substances) is not normally deadly. 
 
You want to stop the deadly opioid epidemic, then do the following:
 

  • Target meth – made in-country
  • Stop the forever wars and stop fucking with non-aligned countries (sanctions, economic warfare/exploitation, embargoes)
  • Re-fund domestic healthcare and addiction programs (which Trump’s “Big Beautiful Bill de-funded)
  • Re-fund educational initiatives
  • Convert the punitive carceral policies of the US toward reformation

 
Fucking duh. This is all about starting a war to steal Venezuela’s oil. Only stupid Trumpist MAGA cultists can’t seem to understand this. They want to externalize all their problems to brown people. 
 
 

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Nov 13 2025 18:24 utc | 78

tobias cole | Nov 13 2025 17:06 utc | 53
 
US is simply blowing up random boats without bothering to check who the are. As for narco operations, the US CIA would have to be the worlds most powerful drug trafficking gang. 
 
The American so called belt way, the military, the spook agencies ect, how many enjoy their little snort of coke like Zelensky? There will be a lot.
 
What the US is doing off the Venezuela oat is the definition of terrorism. Columbia, Peru and I think Equador are the three main cocaine producing countries in south America. Venezuela is not known for growing and producing cocaine. It is known for having the worlds largest oil reserves. Every Video of a Trump interview on American wars against oil producing countries, Trump has said “We should have taken the oil”.
 
So three little facts there.
Venezuela in not know for producing cocaine.
Venezuela is known for having the worlds largest oil reserves.
Trump is known for saying “We should have taken the oil”.
 

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 13 2025 18:25 utc | 79

Once again, Trump is a criminal, head of a gang.

Posted by: Naive | Nov 13 2025 18:28 utc | 80

Only Pirates kill people who surrender just for fun. 
Posted by: golddigger | Nov 13 2025 17:52 utc | 72

Its worse than that – America is trying to prove it can still get its military dick hard by blowing up random speedboats. Like, how better could you telegraph you are pathetic cowards with no confidence in your very expensive military. Maybe they can attack Luxembourg next.

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Nov 13 2025 18:30 utc | 81

So, b, are you now reduced to defending people who help import deadly drugs into civilized countries, with no concern for the multiple overdoses and suicides their product cause.?Don’t ask me to cry for people who knowingly take on criminal activities for money. 
Posted by: FrankDrakman | Nov 13 2025 15:03 utc | 2
 
Poor people who take drugs… As far as I know, nobody is obliged to take a drug. If they are too stupid to take drugs, well, it is a kind of natural selection. Why people take drugs? It is beyond my understanding.

Posted by: Naive | Nov 13 2025 18:31 utc | 82

I don’t logic applies to Mr. FrankDrakman.  This is the same type of person that’s all over r/conservative.
The people that twist their morals when “their guy or woman” does illegal things, therefore whatever Trump does is codified.
It’s like when people say that Trump is secretly working for the CIA to provide dirt on Epstein.  It’s a doubling down mentality, because they don’t want to be wrong in investing in an obvious piece of shit dirtbag of a human.

Posted by: Anon | Nov 13 2025 18:33 utc | 83

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 13 2025 18:25 utc | 79
 
Correct. Colombia and Ecuador. Colombia also sends large numbers of mercenary narco soldiers to ukraine to be trained in drone use and war tactics. Not many get back home, though. 

Posted by: Saint Jimmy | Nov 13 2025 18:37 utc | 84

Maybe they can attack Luxembourg next.
Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Nov 13 2025 18:30 utc | 81
 
Grenada?

Posted by: Naive | Nov 13 2025 18:37 utc | 85

b writes:

There is no evidence that any drug cartel ever has been or is in business because it wanted to create violence.

 
I beg to differ, as there is substancial and extensive evidence of the “Agency” cartel’s involvement in the narcotics business in order to provide funding for its own violent “black-ops”  gigs to further enrich multinational mobsters…

Posted by: ThirdWorldDude | Nov 13 2025 18:41 utc | 86

Maybe they can attack Luxembourg next.Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Nov 13 2025 18:30 utc | 81 
Grenada?
 
Posted by: Naive | Nov 13 2025 18:37 utc | 85
 
 
________
 
Grand Fenwick!

Posted by: malenkov | Nov 13 2025 18:43 utc | 87

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 13 2025 17:48 utc | 69
 
RE:   Maduro must go so that Zionist banking and porn can dominate the country!!!
 
<<
 
 
Venezuela is the most conservative country of all the Americas:  an anti-abortion/anti-porn/anti-trans/anti-mutilating the genitalia of children kind of place.
 

Posted by: steel_porcupine | Nov 13 2025 18:44 utc | 88

I thought these strikes were attempts to provoke Maduro. Drugs is the flimsy moral cover for precipitating a Tonkin-style event. As soon as one of those boats miraculously puts a hole in the side of a carrier-group frigate no one will give a shit about drugs. In fact the drug trade in the Caribbean at large is ‘too big to fail’ from a financial POV. It’s role in shadow finance must be considerable. So why are we talking about this kabuki as though it had anything to do with reigning in the cartels?

Posted by: Patroklos | Nov 13 2025 18:44 utc | 89

Two egregious spelling errors demand a re-edit:
I thought these strikes were attempts to provoke Maduro. Drugs is the flimsy moral cover for precipitating a Tonkin-style event. As soon as one of those boats miraculously puts a hole in the side of a carrier-group frigate no one will give a shit about drugs. In fact the drug trade in the Caribbean at large is ‘too big to fail’ from a financial POV. Its role in shadow finance must be considerable. So why are we talking about this kabuki as though it had anything to do with reining in the cartels?

Posted by: Patroklos | Nov 13 2025 18:46 utc | 90

In contrast, the drug cartels are objectively responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of American civilians.
Posted by: tobias cole | Nov 13 2025 15:48 utc | 27
 
No way. If no consumer, no drug cartel. The consumers shall be prosecuted.

Posted by: Naive | Nov 13 2025 18:46 utc | 91

Posted by: JohnH | Nov 13 2025 15:46 utc | 25
 
RE:   Bush and O’bomber had no qualms about blowing up funeral processions and wedding parties in Afghanistan. O’bomber even droned American citizens–Anwar al Awlaki and his son. In total O’bomber attacked seven Muslim countries in six years. Push back from Congress critters and the mainstream media was virtually nil.
 
<<
 
 
The collateral damage permissions under Obama allowed for the liquidation of 19 civilians when pursuing a targeted terrorist. 
 
If the target happened to be attending a wedding, there went the dearly beloved too.
 
I am not endorsing these actions—simply noting that this style of death-from-above has been part & parcel of the hegemon’s arsenal since the War on Terror began under shrub-Bush in 2001.

Posted by: steel_porcupine | Nov 13 2025 18:54 utc | 92

For Anyone wanting a nostalgic recall of pre 2001 days, when Rumsfeld and Cheney were mere background-backroom guys:
House oversight committee release:
>https://oversight.house.gov/release/oversight-committee-releases-additional-epstein-estate-documents/
Interesting to see how we got “here” from there…. And surprisingly on topic given everything old is new again.
Rumsfeld and Cheney are hopefully burning in hell, if such a place exists, but today we have their lovechild, Stephen Miller.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Nov 13 2025 18:54 utc | 93

laced weed … into the US and other countries, kill innocent civilians, 
Posted by: tobias cole | Nov 13 2025 15:35 utc | 19

 
Yeah right, toby. Spooky story, man.
The only laced weed imported from Mex was those two finger bags of Paraquat soaked shit, courtesy of the DEA, that I used to try and buy in highshool.
Actually the first bag me a buddy bought turned out to be oregano. lulz……
 

Posted by: drink crow | Nov 13 2025 18:56 utc | 94

“Don’t quote laws to us, we who are girt about with swords!” – Gnaeus Pompeius Magnus

Posted by: Feral Finster | Nov 13 2025 19:02 utc | 95

So three little facts there.Venezuela in not know for producing cocaine.Venezuela is known for having the worlds largest oil reserves.Trump is known for saying “We should have taken the oil”. 
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 13 2025 18:25 utc | 79

 
100 %!
 

Grand Fenwick!
Posted by: malenkov | Nov 13 2025 18:43 utc | 87

 
100 % again. Not long ago I re-watched that movie. It’s one of the best.
 

Posted by: Avtonom | Nov 13 2025 19:10 utc | 96

“Bush and O’bomber had no qualms about blowing up funeral processions and wedding parties in Afghanistan. O’bomber even droned American citizens–Anwar al Awlaki and his son. In total O’bomber attacked seven Muslim countries in six years. Push back from Congress critters and the mainstream media was virtually nil.”
 
 steel_porcupine (92).
 
And Obama received the Nobel Peace Prize in 2009 for his troubles –  Obama murdered countless citizens through his entire two-terms as the leader of the US Terrorist State – as you say, he loved drone bombing civilians.
 
Daniel Hale a US Terrorist State drone operator blew the whistle – on  what was going on.
 
“The leaked documents disclosed the “kill chain” the Obama administration used to determine whom to target. Countless civilians were killed using “signals intelligence” in undeclared war zones: Targeting decisions were made by following cell phones that might not be carried by suspected terrorists. The Drone Papers divulged that half of the intelligence used to identify potential targets in Yemen and Somalia was based on signals intelligence.
During one five-month period during January 2012 to February 2013, nearly 90 percent of those killed by drone strikes were not the intended target, according to The Drone Papers. But civilian bystanders were nonetheless classified as “enemies killed in action” unless proven otherwise.
Hale said, “It’s stunning the number of instances when selectors [used to identify “terrorist” targets] are misattributed to certain people.” Calling a missile fired at a target in a group of people a “leap of faith,” he noted, “it’s a phenomenal gamble.” Hale added, “Anyone caught in the vicinity is guilty by association.””
 
Drone Whistleblower Gets 45 Months in Prison for Revealing Ongoing US War Crimes | Truthout

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Nov 13 2025 19:12 utc | 97

I am not endorsing these actions—simply noting that this style of death-from-above has been part & parcel of the hegemon’s arsenal since the War on Terror began under shrub-Bush in 2001.
Posted by: steel_porcupine | Nov 13 2025 18:54 utc | 92
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZ_zNUmr8fM
Korea bombed till not a building remained standing. The firestorms of Hamburg and Dresden, the firestorms of all Japanese cities, only three saved for demonstration purposes of nuclear bombs.
 
I guess only the scale of slaughter changes. I must say though, that scene in the video would have gone better with a bit of high voltage rock music.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 13 2025 19:17 utc | 98

https://www.caitlinjohnst.one/p/the-difference-between-the-us-empire

Posted by: Carlos | Nov 13 2025 19:20 utc | 99

In contrast, the drug cartels are objectively responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of American civilians.
Posted by: tobias cole | Nov 13 2025 15:48 utc | 27
 
According to the US CDC, nearly 841,000 people died from drug overdoses between 1999 and March 2021. Most of them had become addicted to painkillers that had previously been prescribed.
Will the US now go after doctors and the pharmaceutical industry?
 
 
https://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/579175/umfrage/vorfaelle-und-todesfaelle-durch-schusswaffen-in-den-usa/
What can we expect here?

Posted by: BlindSpot | Nov 13 2025 19:22 utc | 100