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November 20, 2025
High Noon In Kiev

The ‘new’ Trump plan to end the war in Ukraine, mentioned here yesterday, is unlikely to come to fruition.

Russia has said that it does not have any official knowledge of the plan or its content. But there are several reasons for it to reject it.

The Telegraph claims that the plan does not acknowledge that the Donbas and Luhansk are part of Russia but only allows for Russia to ‘lease’ the territory:

The Trump administration deal would see Kyiv cede control of the eastern Donbas region, but maintain legal ownership. Russia would pay an undisclosed rental fee for de facto control of the region, officials familiar with the deal told The Telegraph.

There is also the role of NATO which the Trump administration’s plan does not mention:

As European and U.S. officials alike sought clarity, they said many aspects of the plan remained in flux, including the role of NATO and any Ukrainian territorial concessions to Russia.

One aspect U.S. officials are still pondering is whether and how to mention NATO, the person said. The discussion of NATO has not been previously reported.

Ukraine has sought NATO membership as a security guarantee against a future Russian invasion. While some European countries support that, the U.S. has rejected it and Moscow has long demanded Kyiv not join the defensive alliance, viewing that as a threat. The European allies also worry about granting Russia territorial concessions, which they see as rewarding Moscow’s aggression and setting a concerning precedent.

Those European allies who reject the peace plan and are concerned about precedent should look up ‘Kosovo’ and how that came into being.

The prospect of NATO membership of Ukraine was one of the main reasons for starting the war. Russia will not allow NATO, or any other military ‘security guarantee’ for Ukraine, along its western borders. Ukraine’s explicit rejection of entering NATO will have to be part of any acceptable peace agreement.

Ukraine’s acting President is not willing to agree to the plan. He now sees the recent revealing of the corruption scandal involving his friend Mindich as part of an operation to press him to fire his chief of office Andrei Yermak and to accept Trump’s peace plan. He will argue that Russia is pulling the strings on each of these issues:

Zelenskyy decided not to fire Yermak, but to launch counterattack against NABU & everyone involved in investigation of Mindich case, accuse them of working for Russia to force Zelensky to accept Trump’s peace plan. This is stated by Ukrainian MP Zhelezhyak on Telegram:

“The president has decided not to fire Yermak. He will be retained and a counterattack will be launched against everyone involved in ‘MindichGate.’ Now they’ll announce this and will begin a new attack with a ‘Russian connection.’ First, it’ll be media coverage—something like yesterday, when the Office’s ‘garbage dumps’ started spreading something about a ‘Whitkoff plan’ and that the special operation ‘Midas’ is a coercion. And then we expect a powerful counterattack against everyone involved in the investigation in any way.”

Zelenski’s first target is the head of the Servant of the People faction in the Rada, David Arahamia. He was involved in the last few days in calls to dismiss Yermak (edited machine translation):

President of Ukraine Volodymyr Zelensky will initiate the dismissal of the head of the Servant of the People faction David Arahamia at today’s meeting with deputies.

This was announced in his Telegram channel by ex-MP Ihor Mosiychuk, citing sources.

He said that the president will put pressure on deputies with the help of compromising materials, and the peace plan of US President Donald Trump is used in the information field to cover up the rescue of the president’s entourage from responsibility.

It should be recalled that part of the “Servants of the People” called for the creation of a new coalition and government. Arakhamia, although he stated that this is “a statement of individual people’s deputies”, however, according to Strana, he supports the demand for Yermak’s resignation, which is shared by many other deputies from the SotP.

Meanwhile, according to MP Oleksiy Honcharenko, Arakhamia set a condition for Zelensky: to dismiss Yermak, so that the Rada would continue its work and retain the SotP-majority. Arakhamia’s demand was supported by Deputy Prime Minister Mikhail Fyodorov and head of the Military Intelligence Kirill Budanov.

Zelensky, according to Goncharenko, refused.

“A key minister, a key military officer and a key person in the Parliament opposed Andriy Yermak and put pressure on Volodymyr Zelensky to dismiss him. If Zelensky refuses – he will lose the Rada. He will not be able to pass the budget. There will be no coalition,” Goncharenko writes.

The problems for Zelenski are only increasing.

Any strike against the anti-corruption vertical (NABU, the Midas corruption investigation, Pravda.ua media) may cause a harsh backlash from Europe. A strike against Arahamia may cost him the majority in parliament. Any rejection of Trump’s plan may lead to stop of U.S. intelligence that is needed to strike at Russia.

For Zelenski to continue to fight for Yermak, who everyone wants to go, may well cost him his presidency.

Comments

David G Horsman @108:

I’m of the opinion that there are relatively few paid trolls. Globally maybe 200,000 as compared to hundreds of millions of people talking. 

There are more paid trolls on social media than there are Uber and Lyft drivers in the world, and no small amount of overlap between the two categories of employment. Uber drivers gotta somehow earn their beer and pretzel money between providing rides, you know. Of course, many of them are shilling for commercial products rather than nation-states and intel agencies, but selling a corporate brand or a war or a political ideology, it is all the same thing.
 
 
People gotta do something to survive in the deindustrialized capitalist West. Not everyone can be flipping burgers and pouring lattes for each other.

Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 21 2025 16:51 utc | 301

Posted by: Minaa | Nov 21 2025 6:24 utc | 215
 
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On Russia and Israel.
 
Jonathan Pollard is the greatest traitor in modern American history. Of course, Trump pardoned him.
 
Pollard stole massive amounts of nuclear secrets and sold them to Israel, which traded those secrets to the USSR in return for allowing the emigration of Russian Jews to Israel.
 
Israel has a deep and complex history with Russia.
 
Personally, I believe the Russians get a lot of intel on the West by way of Israel.
 
Israel is evil and despicable, but it likely serves a vital role for Russia.
 
That’s geopolitics. There is no right or wrong, no morality. It’s all about power and survival.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 21 2025 17:00 utc | 302

both of you are talking about failure on the part of your governmentto focus on the domestic need. and both confirm the government is spending domestic money to engage in foreign activities, and both suggest they have no say in the matter as those in charge of governments are not listening to those the government governs, yet neither of you is offering a solution to counter those in government don’t care problem<=the wrong focus problem?
 
 
1. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Nov 21 2025 14:07 utc | 289monies that should’ve been spent in European countries – helping Europe’s citizens, bettering social services, and supporting the less fortunate –
 
 
2. Posted by: Saint Jimmy | Nov 21 2025 14:24 utc | 292American political and financial “elites” no longer stand for the American people and haven’t for 30 years.
<The problem of near exclusive elite access to and control over government and the use by the elite of that access and control to use the governments they control as a tool to further the interest of the elite<= as opposed to the proper function of government which is to serve those domestics who the government governs is a universal fault of the governments that manage the nation state system.
 
 
Governments should be catering to the domestic masses the governments govern and to building the infrastructure and doing the research and development the nation needs to render the nation competitive with the Rest of World. Governments are not instituted to be a weapon that makes a buck for elite.
 
 
Elite use of government I label to be the “wrong focus[WF]” problem. It explains I believe why nations are experiencing wars, humans are victims to genocide, why with massive numbers of financial insolvencies, why the domestic governed are facing poverty at the survival level.
 
 
Creative effort is needed to solve this wrong focus “WF” problem.
 

Posted by: snake | Nov 21 2025 17:11 utc | 303

Governments should be catering to the domestic masses the governments govern and to building the infrastructure and doing the research and development the nation needs to render the nation competitive with the Rest of World. Governments are not instituted to be a weapon that makes a buck for elite.
 
Posted by: snake | Nov 21 2025 17:11 utc | 304
 
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Oh, so what China did since WW2.
 
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Creative effort is needed to solve this wrong focus “WF” problem.
 
Posted by: snake | Nov 21 2025 17:11 utc | 304
 
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Mencken already gave a solution.
 

“Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.”

 
The only way to beat the elites is revolution. Instead, people would rather talk and “vote”.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 21 2025 17:17 utc | 304

Now that the Dnipro region is falling rapidly the drive to the Dnieper can take place at many more locations…….expecting a 1940 French style disintegration in the coming days….
The fronts are collapsing and rapidly too, expect a fascist coup soon, and a quick exit by Volo and Yermak and company either to Haifa, Geneva or the Bahamas………with their stolen billions in US aid funds of course to make their landing more comfortable…..
Or as lampost decorations at the hands of the coup plotters…..stay tuned sports fans…….

Posted by: tobias cole | Nov 21 2025 17:18 utc | 305

Oh Damn, You just ripped my thoughts outta my head and printed them down after I read that paragraph
Posted by: DunGroanin | Nov 21 2025 10:12 utc | 246

“All parties involved in the conflict will receive full amnesty for actions committed during the war and will undertake not to file claims or pursue complaints in the future.”

 Fuck that for a game of whatever.  Nazis don’t get a pass – not again.  No paperclips this time, no rat lines, no cosy escape to the 5 Eyes to raise new generation of khazer owned banderist, Hitlerite , ‘shelenskist’ russophobic proxy Zionazis for yet another attempt.  This time the neonuremberg can’t be railroaded by the ziofascist ‘allies’ of the Collective Waste. Because the ziofascist genociders will also be in the dock!  They have to be captured, trialled and served justice – it will bring the world together and be the basis of a multipolar ‘new’ UN.  Fuck the Nazis.Death to the IDF and end of the illegal entity ( yup they are linked)    Only after that can some ‘truth and reconciliation’ process work.
Posted by: DunGroanin | Nov 21 2025 10:12 utc | 246

Posted by: Merv Ritchie | Nov 21 2025 17:54 utc | 306

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Really? Don’t you think the Palestinian Authority or its Arab backers should too?
Posted by: Suresh | Nov 21 2025 6:34 utc | 218
Israel is where the supremacists are. Baked into their religion and now the secular majority has decided to retain the supremacist part of the religion they don’t follow. Palestinians are just trying to stop living in open air concentration camps.

Posted by: Cheney | Nov 21 2025 17:54 utc | 307

LoveDonbass
Sorry if that post of mine made it think like you wrote the first words,  I agree with you, like most others would, however, we all must know, no one will pay for these heinous crimes except the children and innocent.  I’m embarrassed for calling it theater but still watching.  No one even celebrated the 75th anniversary of the last Nuremburg trials, while the main stream media knowingly lied about the coerced medical experimentation on the unsuspecting populations.
 
Yes history repeats itself.  I’m blue in the face from yelling, and stil. . . .

Posted by: Merv Ritchie | Nov 21 2025 18:11 utc | 308

@Genesis 297
 
Not only that…..I have contact with Russians, sometimes even live on weekends, and I can confirm:That the SMO, should it be dissolved without Odessa, will be seen as a LOST SMO = war by the Russian population, and it could potentially also mean the END of Putin’s position.By the way… the “peace plan” only elicits laughter and head-shaking from the Russian people, but it’s a bet that Silensky will never be able to accept it and survive. The proposal itself is currently still being attributed to Trump as a war ploy to find a reason to remove the Cocaine Man or stop all data supply..NO ONE can or wants to believe that Trump and his team are actually so “stupid” and naive as to take their own “peace proposal” seriously..Incidentally, there were already live talk shows on the topic on Russian TV yesterday, November 20th… mostly accompanied by laughter from the audience.
 
Thank you for this post.  Peter AU1 keeps saying that Americans truly believe these lies that are very very very far removed from reality.  I see this confirmed on a daily basis when interacting with other Americans.  I finally got my head around the idea that THIS DEAL IS PRESENTED AS AN ACCEPTABLE DEAL FOR RUSSIA.  And…  AMERICANS REALLY BELIEVE IT.
 
I still have not completely internalized this.  And I’m clueless on how to break through the lies.  My few attempts have not turned out well.

Posted by: Woke American | Nov 21 2025 18:11 utc | 309

*** Full text of 28 point Trump peace plan that is published by Ukrainian MP & media: ***
 
= Weasel-worded attempt at entrapment of Russia …. note especially the planned US corporate grab of Russian Arctic resources, and how very keen the Western cabal of perverts still are to get their hands on children rescued by Russia — with approval of their parents — from probable death, maiming or spare-parts dismantling in the war zone.
 
If it really is the  US drafted “peace formula” list and Putin agrees to it, he should be immediately shot for treason.

Posted by: Cynic | Nov 21 2025 21:41 utc | 310

I cross-posted a reply on the car hacking theme about the case of Jörg Haider on the OT here.

Posted by: persiflo | Nov 21 2025 22:59 utc | 311

Ukrainian envoys will meet a US delegation in Switzerland to discuss the proposal, Zelensky announced Saturday, after Trump set a deadline of less than a week to approve the deal. 
National security advisors from the UK, France and Germany will also meet US and Ukrainian officials taking part in the talks in Geneva on Sunday. 

UK Daily Mail

Posted by: Jo | Nov 22 2025 18:29 utc | 312

Posted by: Woke American | Nov 21 2025 18:11 utc | 310
 
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I have always been a truth seeker; the more I understand, the lonelier it is.
 
If a topic compromises your peace, you may need to remain silent about it among others.
 
People can be manipulated, but I imagine you don’t want to manipulate anyone. The lightbulb has to go off in their own head. It may take a certain example or maybe a crisis that triggers a radical enlightenment. It is not up to you, and the harder you push, the more alienated you are likely to become.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 22 2025 18:49 utc | 313

Mikhailo Fédorov is the one creating the digital concentration camp in Ukraine in favor od Western extractive elites…this is the Zuckerberg of Ukraine in full collaboration with US High Tech elites….
https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mijailo_F%C3%A9dorov
Hence the numerous British, French and Europepan prizes he holds at suchn young age…
We could say he is the Herman Gref od Ukraine?…Highly Likely….
Probably the next Prime Minsiter…or even President of Ukriane, after Zelensky, for the “new digital world order”,  through whom the robbery will be digital instead of analogic, and thus less raw and easy to find and follow its trace..with him we will not find any pack of dollars/euros or golden toiletts in any od his domiciles in Ukraine….the trace will be erased…. as future robberies of public money and taxpayetrs deposits will be….by a click in a computer…..
This is not erasing corruption, but elevating it to the digital era, and perfectioning it….

Posted by: Ghost of Mozgovoy | Nov 23 2025 13:35 utc | 314

Mikhailo Fédorov is the one creating the digital concentration camp in Ukraine in favor od Western extractive elites…this is the Zuckerberg of Ukraine in full collaboration with US High Tech elites….
https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mijailo_F%C3%A9dorov
Hence the numerous British, French and European prizes he holds at such a young age…
We could say he is the Herman Gref od Ukraine?…Highly likely….
Probably the next Prime Minister…or even President of Ukriane, after Zelensky, for the “new digital world order”,  through whom the robbery will be digital instead of analogic, and, thus, less raw and easy to find and follow its trace..with him we will not find any pack of dollars/euros or golden toiletts in any of his domiciles in Ukraine….the trace will be erased…. as future robberies of public money and taxpayers deposits will be….by a click in a computer…..
This is not erasing corruption, but elevating it to the digital era, and perfectioning it….

Posted by: Ghost of Mozgovoy | Nov 23 2025 13:37 utc | 315

Corrected the typos of the first post, please, apologies…you can delete the first one whoch went through without correction, sorry…

Posted by: Ghost of Mozgovoy | Nov 23 2025 13:38 utc | 316