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November 20, 2025
High Noon In Kiev

The ‘new’ Trump plan to end the war in Ukraine, mentioned here yesterday, is unlikely to come to fruition.

Russia has said that it does not have any official knowledge of the plan or its content. But there are several reasons for it to reject it.

The Telegraph claims that the plan does not acknowledge that the Donbas and Luhansk are part of Russia but only allows for Russia to ‘lease’ the territory:

The Trump administration deal would see Kyiv cede control of the eastern Donbas region, but maintain legal ownership. Russia would pay an undisclosed rental fee for de facto control of the region, officials familiar with the deal told The Telegraph.

There is also the role of NATO which the Trump administration’s plan does not mention:

As European and U.S. officials alike sought clarity, they said many aspects of the plan remained in flux, including the role of NATO and any Ukrainian territorial concessions to Russia.

One aspect U.S. officials are still pondering is whether and how to mention NATO, the person said. The discussion of NATO has not been previously reported.

Ukraine has sought NATO membership as a security guarantee against a future Russian invasion. While some European countries support that, the U.S. has rejected it and Moscow has long demanded Kyiv not join the defensive alliance, viewing that as a threat. The European allies also worry about granting Russia territorial concessions, which they see as rewarding Moscow’s aggression and setting a concerning precedent.

Those European allies who reject the peace plan and are concerned about precedent should look up ‘Kosovo’ and how that came into being.

The prospect of NATO membership of Ukraine was one of the main reasons for starting the war. Russia will not allow NATO, or any other military ‘security guarantee’ for Ukraine, along its western borders. Ukraine’s explicit rejection of entering NATO will have to be part of any acceptable peace agreement.

Ukraine’s acting President is not willing to agree to the plan. He now sees the recent revealing of the corruption scandal involving his friend Mindich as part of an operation to press him to fire his chief of office Andrei Yermak and to accept Trump’s peace plan. He will argue that Russia is pulling the strings on each of these issues:

Zelenskyy decided not to fire Yermak, but to launch counterattack against NABU & everyone involved in investigation of Mindich case, accuse them of working for Russia to force Zelensky to accept Trump’s peace plan. This is stated by Ukrainian MP Zhelezhyak on Telegram:

“The president has decided not to fire Yermak. He will be retained and a counterattack will be launched against everyone involved in ‘MindichGate.’ Now they’ll announce this and will begin a new attack with a ‘Russian connection.’ First, it’ll be media coverage—something like yesterday, when the Office’s ‘garbage dumps’ started spreading something about a ‘Whitkoff plan’ and that the special operation ‘Midas’ is a coercion. And then we expect a powerful counterattack against everyone involved in the investigation in any way.”

Zelenski’s first target is the head of the Servant of the People faction in the Rada, David Arahamia. He was involved in the last few days in calls to dismiss Yermak (edited machine translation):

President of Ukraine Volodymyr Zelensky will initiate the dismissal of the head of the Servant of the People faction David Arahamia at today’s meeting with deputies.

This was announced in his Telegram channel by ex-MP Ihor Mosiychuk, citing sources.

He said that the president will put pressure on deputies with the help of compromising materials, and the peace plan of US President Donald Trump is used in the information field to cover up the rescue of the president’s entourage from responsibility.

It should be recalled that part of the “Servants of the People” called for the creation of a new coalition and government. Arakhamia, although he stated that this is “a statement of individual people’s deputies”, however, according to Strana, he supports the demand for Yermak’s resignation, which is shared by many other deputies from the SotP.

Meanwhile, according to MP Oleksiy Honcharenko, Arakhamia set a condition for Zelensky: to dismiss Yermak, so that the Rada would continue its work and retain the SotP-majority. Arakhamia’s demand was supported by Deputy Prime Minister Mikhail Fyodorov and head of the Military Intelligence Kirill Budanov.

Zelensky, according to Goncharenko, refused.

“A key minister, a key military officer and a key person in the Parliament opposed Andriy Yermak and put pressure on Volodymyr Zelensky to dismiss him. If Zelensky refuses – he will lose the Rada. He will not be able to pass the budget. There will be no coalition,” Goncharenko writes.

The problems for Zelenski are only increasing.

Any strike against the anti-corruption vertical (NABU, the Midas corruption investigation, Pravda.ua media) may cause a harsh backlash from Europe. A strike against Arahamia may cost him the majority in parliament. Any rejection of Trump’s plan may lead to stop of U.S. intelligence that is needed to strike at Russia.

For Zelenski to continue to fight for Yermak, who everyone wants to go, may well cost him his presidency.

Comments

As usual, the Orange Dolt is trying to reduce everything to a business deal.
Wars don’t work like that.  Once you occupy something, you own it.  Dominion, control, etc.   Sort of like Gaza, except now the shoe is on the other foot.  
If BlackRock doesn’t like it, they can go pound sand.

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Nov 20 2025 17:54 utc | 1

Putin obviously can’t accept any part of this “peace agreement “, since he would be deposed by the Russian neocons if he did…and for good reason…It would just mean fighting another war with NATO in a few years…and would not protect the Russian speaking part of the mistakenly created Ukraine…

Posted by: pyrrhus | Nov 20 2025 17:54 utc | 2

This plan is just another ploy to occupy the media space for a few days. Trump is really skilled at this. Once everybody understands the plan is dead on arrival, he’ll just cycle back to another one of his obsessions. He’ll threaten Russia with new sanctions, he’ll chide the Europeans for not buying enough weapons, he’ll lambast Modi for buying Russian oli, he’ll ask for an investigation into how Biden profited from corruption in Ukraine, he’ll lament Russia’s 1 million + casualties. He has a new opportunity right now which should be fun. He can threaten sanctions on Zelensky’s inner circle for corruption. That will keep the media ticking for a while. 
And by the time we get to Xmas, just expect a seamingly new peace plan, even more outrageous than the current one, complete with the construction of a Trump resort in Kiev (financed by the Europeans off course). And off everything will go again. 

Posted by: Shahmaran | Nov 20 2025 17:55 utc | 3

Good work, b.
 
We are in the final innings of the SMO.

Posted by: canuk | Nov 20 2025 18:00 utc | 4

The Russian lead negotiator has a very curious background:
Left USSR at age 14 to live with a family friend’s family in California. (???) Junior College, then Stanford, then MBA Harvard – a few years McKinsey……then Goldman Sachs. Bunch of Private Equity gigs thereafter, helping to loot Russia at tail end of the pillaging. Now head of the Russian Sovereign Wealth Fund ($10B assets)
One suspects he holds 3 passports; Russian, US, and that of a small country in the Levant. 
 
 
 
 

Posted by: exile | Nov 20 2025 18:01 utc | 5

 We are in the final innings of the SMO.
Posted by: canuk | Nov 20 2025 18:00 utc | 
 
Good call, canuk.  This war is like a baseball game.  No time limit.

Posted by: Fredrick | Nov 20 2025 18:04 utc | 6

SotP is splitting. Regime rats are fleeing the sinking ship.
Elensky needs to be careful that he doesn’t go out like Gaddafi.

Posted by: ChatNPC | Nov 20 2025 18:04 utc | 7

“For Zelenski to continue to fight for Yermak, who everyone wants to go, may well cost him his presidency.”
 
This has been said many times before, but Z is untouchable as long as England supports him; Trump is powerless in this regard.
 

Posted by: smartfox | Nov 20 2025 18:05 utc | 8

For Zelenski to continue to fight for Yermak, who everyone wants to go, may well cost him his presidency.
 
Posted by b on November 20, 2025 at 17:44 UTC | Permalink
 
To be clear, post-Zelensky Ukraine is much more likely to be totally Banderite than accommodating to a peace plan. But that is the idea. If a Russian peace plan is obviously generous to Ukraine but gets rejected anyways, everyone involved in the West has incentive to drop the project. But a stable Ukraine with a peace-seeking government is an existential threat to the Banderites. 
 
VVP is careful not to get too crazy, though. If the plan is too generous, President Trump can get a lot of buy in from non-Ukrainians, and Russia doesn’t want a totally unacceptable plan to gain any traction. But the outline of the Witkoff deal isn’t totally insane.

Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Nov 20 2025 18:07 utc | 9

One suspects he holds 3 passports; Russian, US, and that of a small country in the Levant”   –  Exile  5

 
Made me laugh…

Posted by: S Brennan | Nov 20 2025 18:07 utc | 10

Who can Zelensky blackmail?  Surely the knives are out.  Kolomoysky popped out of his confinement to offer his opinion on Ukraine’s situation.
 
Who has a vote and who has a veto?
 
You can figure that a handful of people pocketed 10% to 15% of all the money spent on the Ukraine project.  That is over $10 Billions.  These people won’t leave the table until their take has been apportioned.
 
The shake out of Ukraine’s corruption is going to cause the fall of one or more collaborating European governments.
 

Posted by: too scents | Nov 20 2025 18:08 utc | 11

Maybe the US can formally acknowledge the various indigenous peoples as ceding control but still owning the land and that the US will pay a rental to continue using (abusing) it. 

Posted by: Milton | Nov 20 2025 18:11 utc | 12

b: “allows for Russia to ‘lease’ the territory:”
b quote: “Russia would pay an undisclosed rental fee”
 
The end of the western financial Ponzi scheme is nigh.
 

Posted by: MorePain4Cakes | Nov 20 2025 18:12 utc | 13

Ryssland har tydligen inte gett tillräckligt hårda örfilar till den Nazistiska Clownen Zelenskyj och hans Nato-arme’, så…det är bara fortsatt hårda slag som gäller, gärna i ökad omfattning,  tills ansiktet på Clownen krossats helt! 🇷🇺🇷🇺💥💥💪💪🇷🇺🇷🇺

Posted by: Peter | Nov 20 2025 18:12 utc | 14

For Zelenski to continue to fight for Yermak, who everyone wants to go, may well cost him his presidency.

And that is exactly the wanted result of this whole thing. Trump must get rid of this lost war, EU doesn`t matter and in some month, there will be a chaotic szenario due the then-be collapse of the 404.  And THAT result may be much worser for the West.

Posted by: ableman | Nov 20 2025 18:15 utc | 15

Trump’s 28-Point Peace Plan for Ukraine is Dead On Arrival

Posted by: jo6pac | Nov 20 2025 18:15 utc | 16

The US is maligning Russia and China simultaneously.
With Russia and China collaborating, US chances of success look pretty slim.
What the US is likely looking for is a means to coerce either Russia or China to accept some deal (they would have to make it very appealing), which would require that party to not continue to support the other – economically nor militarily. A case of doing what is in their individual best interest – an Erdogan.
The problem with that line of thinking is that if either Russia or China were to yield to the US then they will ultimately both lose. And if they stand strong together, they will ultimately both win.
I think many are misreading the situation with the sanctions on Russia – the US is trying to blockage Russia not so much to squeeze Russia financially, but rather Russia is making sure that there is generous supply of oil on the market to hold the price low. I expect that Russia’s cost of production (and supply) is significantly below that of the US producers – so Russia is putting the squeeze on the US.
In short: Trump does not have the cards.

Posted by: jared | Nov 20 2025 18:17 utc | 17

“The president has decided not to fire Yermak. He will be retained and a counterattack will be launched against everyone involved in ‘MindichGate.’”
 
Outstanding. I don’t actually believe this, of course, but this would be Zelensky showing he hasn’t learned the lessons of NABU at all. His options have narrowed considerably, and an attack like this wouldn’t merely fail but land him in the same cell as (((Kolomoisky))). 
 
If President Trump wants to send this gremlin a warning, and God knows it’s overdue, putting an American AWACS in maintenance for a few days would be a start.

Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Nov 20 2025 18:17 utc | 18

Posted by: exile | Nov 20 2025 18:01 utc | 5
 
In my opinion the Russian lead negotiator’s background is pitch perfect to negotiate with the Yankees:
 
“If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.”
― Sun Tzu, The Art of Wa
 
 

Posted by: canuk | Nov 20 2025 18:19 utc | 19

The Kiev regime must run out of money soon.
It’s going to be interesting seeing how that problem gets fixed.

Posted by: Truthsayer | Nov 20 2025 18:22 utc | 20

In my opinion the Russian lead negotiator’s background is pitch perfect to negotiate with the Yankees:
 
Posted by: canuk | Nov 20 2025 18:19 utc | 19
 
Imagine that, sending someone with actual ability to negotiate a peace. While the British perspective is obviously nonsense, the fact of the negotiations existing has to have Lavrov spitting nails. But he could have an honorable retirement at his age, and no one would look twice. 

Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Nov 20 2025 18:22 utc | 21

In my opinion the Russian lead negotiator’s background is pitch perfect to negotiate with the Yankees
 
Posted by: canuk | Nov 20 2025 18:19 utc | 19
 

 
That he is disposable can be seen as a free benefit.
 
So. Much. Optionality.
 
 

Posted by: too scents | Nov 20 2025 18:22 utc | 22

It seems to me that deep within the blob, the feminized hierarchy behind project Ukraine are watching the MAGA hierarchy ascend while coming to the realization that if Odessa goes to the RF, they will take blame. As a femine network would behave, we have character assassination, shaming and rallying against a green goblin scapegoat. I think all this NABU stuff now is about who is to blame for losing Odessa.

Posted by: frithguild | Nov 20 2025 18:23 utc | 23

A proper peace plan (which will never happen) would give Russia control of the Donbas and Odessa, protect the rights of all Russian speakers and the Orthodox Church, demilitarize Ukraine entirely, and install a neutral government….But Russia has little incentive to agree, since it’s slaughtering the Ukrainian army with glide bombs and drones, has destroyed 80% of the Ukraine’s electric power, and suffering few casualties…

Posted by: pyrrhus | Nov 20 2025 18:23 utc | 24

The ‘new’ Trump plan to end the war in Ukraine, mentioned here yesterday, is unlikely to come to fruition.
 
—–
 
A serious and fundamental question: Have any of Trump’s plans come to fruition?
 
In either term…
 
He couldn’t even manage to get re-elected as the incumbent against a guy with Dementia.
 
One day, we will give that useless man an appropriate amount of attention.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 20 2025 18:25 utc | 25

Posted by: pyrrhus | Nov 20 2025 18:23 utc | 24
 
######
 
A proper peace plan would be a withdrawal of NATO back to its early 90s borders.
 
It’s coming.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 20 2025 18:27 utc | 26

Zelensky was given the American plan some hours ago. Apparently planning a meeting with Trump.
 
On the British stuff – and what is media – The original story in Axios supposedly from US officials was quite different to the stories occurring now in the British media.
Resident⚡️⚡️⚡️#InsiderOur sources in the Office of the President have told us that Andriy Yermak wants to use Trump’s peace plan to resolve the issue with the NABU/SAP and the internal opposition. According to our information, there is no real plan as such, but there is a set of initiatives, and the drafts published by Western media are an operation by MI-6, which is interested in maintaining its clientele in Ukraine.
……………………….
 
How correct the MI6 drafts are is anyone’s guess. According to the Resident channel, the Americans were going to keep Zelensky in place, but replace everyone below him, from Yermak down with American assets. It seems there is a bit of a fight going on between the Brits and the Americans, US trying to take control of Ukraine from the Brits.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 20 2025 18:27 utc | 27

Europe’s having none of it.
So there !
Mind who’s listening?

Posted by: jpc | Nov 20 2025 18:27 utc | 28

It seems there is a bit of a fight going on between the Brits and the Americans, US trying to take control of Ukraine from the Brits.
 
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 20 2025 18:27 utc | 27
 
If Keir Starmer had the brains God gave a stray dog, he’d accept gladly. The UK is in the worst political crisis I have ever seen and they can’t afford basic necessities, much less a war with Russia. I don’t think anyone understands how much ability an American president has to blast apart the project, particularly with the rats fleeing to Israel.

Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Nov 20 2025 18:31 utc | 29

The NATO gang just keeps waving its hands and pretending they are setting the agenda. The only game they have is to trade Ukrainian lives for Russian expenses. Everything else is a show. This is what their own policy documents saud they should do: use Ukraine to deplete Russia. The trouble is the rate of depletion has been drastically reduced by Russia.

Posted by: Pym of Nantucket | Nov 20 2025 18:32 utc | 30

It seems there is a bit of a fight going on between the Brits and the Americans, US trying to take control of Ukraine from the Brits.
 
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 20 2025 18:27 utc | 27
 
#####
 
Kabuki. Two wings of the same Zionist bird.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 20 2025 18:32 utc | 31

They Call Me Mister | Nov 20 2025 18:31 utc | 29
 
The Brits are completely insane. Their economy is crashing, A million of the more wealthy have left Britain in the last three to four years and all the British elite want is war with Russia.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 20 2025 18:36 utc | 32

but only allows for Russia to ‘lease’ the territory:

 
These people are completely ret… ahem, ridiculous.

Posted by: kspr | Nov 20 2025 18:36 utc | 33

DOA are the only offers I want to see the Americans making.  Background noise, while the Russians finish liberating all of Ukraine.  Drive the Ukrainian Nazis into Europe.  Maybe they’ll evolve into drug dealing gangs like the Real IRA did.
 
For those who say the Russians taking all of Ukraine is asking for trouble, I’d have to ask if that would be like the kind of trouble the Russians got after taking back Chechnya?  Plus ending Ukraine sends a strong message to the Baltic states to shut up or else.

Posted by: EoinW | Nov 20 2025 18:37 utc | 34

  • A U.S. official said Zelensky and Driscoll “agreed on an aggressive timeline for signatures.”
  • Zelensky later tweeted that Ukraine was “ready for constructive, honest and swift work” on Trump’s plan to end the war.

 
Sounds like the Bum’s Rush is in-play.  Note the aggressive timeline for signatures and Volodymyr’s readiness for swift work.
Here’s-your-hat-what’s-your-hurry
 
In many ways this is not different from several iterations of the ceasefire plan “which everyone supports”—everyone, that is, except Russia. 
 
And when Russia reminds the West that a ceasefire is not an option but addressing the root causes is, the West lambastes Russia for maximalist obstructionism.
 
 
 

Posted by: steel_porcupine | Nov 20 2025 18:39 utc | 35

Trump’s plan is, of course, stillborn. By now it’s clear to many that what he says is of little meaning. Even outside the Ukraine context. The truces between India/Pakistan, Thailand/Cambodja, etc. were concluded despite Trump, not thanks to. He would acquire many places on the globe including Greenland and Canada. He’s threatening to bomb Mexico, Colombia and Nigeria. It’s not TACO. It’s bluster and a tactic of intimidation which is probably a remnant of the way he operated his business prior to becoming a politician.
 
Totally predictable the Ukrainians that fled this high profile corruption inquiry fled to Israel, the eastern European colony managed by Ashkenazi jews who historically and genetically have zero ties with Palestine/ancient Israel. These are just a bunch of converts and are historically as much connected to Al-Quds/Jerusalem as would Indonesian or Senegalese muslims be to Mecca.
 
https://tgstat.ru/en/channel/@DDGeopolitics/165902
 
➡️Timur Mindich
Kvartal-95 co-founder, Zelensky’s “wallet”
 
→ Israel via Poland
 
➡️Oleksandr “Tsukerman”
Kvartal-95 co-founder, Zelensky’s “sugarman”
 
→ Israel
 
➡️Mykhauilo Tsukerman
Businessman, brother of Oleksandr
 
→ Israel

Posted by: xor | Nov 20 2025 18:40 utc | 36

The two completely different media reports, The American ones and the British MIB report.
 
Kirill Dmitriev has spent a bit of time in US as Russian envoy, and at least three days in talks with Witkoff. There was also the Trump Putin Agreement in Alaska. The Americans would know what Russia would accept and would have drafted up something close to being acceptable for Russia. Something close enough that it was worth negotiating.
The American version was about Ukraine ceding land to Russia, the British version about Russia leasing the land.
The version that has appeared in the British media would be completely unacceptable to Russia. I believe the agreement in Alaska was Ukraine ceding the Donbass to to its borders, but the other two regions just ceding up to the contact line.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 20 2025 18:47 utc | 37

This is where Russia supporters should be nervous. Trump has established that he will attack under the guise of peace.
 
I don’t see that anything has changed. This is still what it was 3 months ago. 
 
Watch what the Russians do, not what the Americans say.
 
Russia decided when this would start and will decide when this ends.
 
Remember, the more damage inflicted on Ukraine, the more expensive a failed state the West can inherit.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 20 2025 18:48 utc | 38

There are too many factions involved in this matter and the balance of power keeps shifting. Washington is deeply divided not by political party but in the balance of power of the finance oligarchs who call the shots–at present that balance seems to be constantly shifting. As for Europe, the situation is a little clearer. The tension is between the Euro-crats who are using the war to keep and enhance power just as American politicians used war to keep and maintain power and maintain Washington as the center of everything–all this started during the US Civil War where war was always beneficial to Washington particularly when the war was “lost.” This is precisely why the Euro-crats learned their lesson–more war, particularly a losing war, the more power goes to Brussels. As for the UK, always the instigator of war, the same thing applies because the City always profits and always supports war mongers in the US and Europe–it’s easy money. 
Whether or not Trump wants to confuse us all by going every-which-way or whether it is unconscious doesn’t matter. He’s the mythological wrench in the machinery of the Western Empire, at best. Other than that, Trump or any POTUS has very little agency in matters of war and peace. The current battle between various factions in the finance world and Big Tech sectors will take some time to work itself out–that’s the only important dynamic in any of this. 

Posted by: Chris Cosmos | Nov 20 2025 18:49 utc | 39

Outside of Daily Telegraph (which is a garbage news outlet anyway), no one mentioned any “rental fees. So it’s most probably not relevant. The conditions put there are not the best for Russia but also not terrible either. Frankly speaking, its more or less most of the main concerns from the Istanbul meetings and the so-called Anchorage meeting.
So we can assume that it also was agreed by some high ranking RU officials. Regarding the territory claims, it was fairly obvious that RU want to finish the takeover of Donbas. This is their main priority. Luhansk is already taken. While Zap & Kherson are considered their territory, I don’t think they want a long siege to take them. The drone warfare is indeed horrific and until there are proper ways to mitigate this, any sort of siege of large cities is costly in terms of manpower, resources & time. Not to mention the terrain where Zaporozhe city is located.  
There are a lot of points that that would need to be ironed out further but the plan is at least something remotely reasonable. 

Posted by: JamesBond | Nov 20 2025 18:50 utc | 40

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Nov 20 2025 17:54 utc | 1
 
RE:   As usual, the Orange Dolt is trying to reduce everything to a business deal.Wars don’t work like that.  Once you occupy something, you own it. 
 
<<
 
Uti possidetis, ita possideatis:   As you possess, so shall possess.
 

Posted by: steel_porcupine | Nov 20 2025 18:51 utc | 41

I believe the agreement in Alaska was Ukraine ceding the Donbass to to its borders, but the other two regions just ceding up to the contact line.
 
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 20 2025 18:47 utc | 37
 
Yes. Just giving up on Odessa would be marketed as a huge concession, which is why the actual draft makes concessions on the Russian language and ROC even before light demilitarization. That would be suicide for any country with substantial Banderite populations, like Canada, so it would take a lot to muscle Zelensky into it.
 
But a lot is happening.

Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Nov 20 2025 18:54 utc | 42

Reality check for you deluded people.
Russia is facing a catastrophic financial reality, with India officially suspending long-term oil contracts with Moscow.
This strategic shift eliminates the last reliable buyer of Russian energy exports and traps the Kremlin in a devastating buyers’ market.
The Russian Federation now faces a structural revenue deficit of over $80 billion for the next fiscal year.
Urals crude oil is trading at around $54 a barrel, significantly below the breakeven point needed to finance ongoing military operations.
Financial models indicate that Russia is losing hundreds of millions of dollars in potential revenue every single day at these low prices.
The war economy has cannibalized the civilian sector to the point of total infrastructure collapse.
Ukrainian drone strikes have further exacerbated this collapse, permanently disabling refining capacity and reducing diesel exports to their
lowest levels since 2020.
The shadow fleet of aging tankers is facing new sanctions that make oil transport prohibitively expensive.
Heating networks in Russian cities are bursting at the seams because maintenance budgets have been seized to pay for artillery shells and
soldiers’ salaries.
Ordinary citizens are now filming ice forming on the interior walls of their apartments while the government exports gas to finance the invasion.
This creates a dual crisis of financial insolvency and social instability.
Inflation is destroying the purchasing power of the ruble, and basic products like butter are now locked in security cages to prevent theft.
The loss of the Indian market marks the end of Russia’s current financial model as well as the regime’s imperialist ambitions.
Are we on the eve of a new assault on the Winter Palace?

Posted by: Louis | Nov 20 2025 18:55 utc | 43

Dead on arrival, indeed.  No amount of corruption or evidence or opinion polls or opposition in the Rada make any difference. They can’t remove Zelensky and he knows it.  Mao said “all power comes out of the barrel of a gun”. He had a point.  Zelensky is now ‘talking nice’ about negotiations – which is bull sh*t. He’s not leaving. They have to force him out by gunpoint. That’s how it is and anything else is naive.

Posted by: Eighthman | Nov 20 2025 18:57 utc | 44

While Zap & Kherson are considered their territory, I don’t think they want a long siege to take them. The drone warfare is indeed horrific and until there are proper ways to mitigate this, any sort of siege of large cities is costly in terms of manpower, resources & time. 
 
Posted by: JamesBond | Nov 20 2025 18:50 utc | 40
 
Kherson? You mean the city the Russians gave up? They’d be retarded to try when they can just guard the left bank, which is why most talk about Odessa is just talk. Don’t forget the Russians could easily march right up to Kharkiv and Kherson- and they’re not interested in bloody urban warfare there either.

Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Nov 20 2025 18:58 utc | 45

Louis | Nov 20 2025 18:55 utc | 43
Ah, again the NAO-Troll
Don’t feed him !

Posted by: smartfox | Nov 20 2025 18:59 utc | 46

Inflation is destroying the purchasing power of the ruble, and basic products like butter are now locked in security cages to prevent theft.
 
Posted by: Louis | Nov 20 2025 18:55 utc | 43
 
Damn. They have Walgreen’s in Moscow now? One thing to admire about Russia, they don’t have a homelessness crisis or evil Yids legalizing mass theft.

Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Nov 20 2025 19:03 utc | 47

Colonel Cassad
 
 
The main of Putin’s statements during his visit to one of the command posts of the Zapad group:
– The Ukrainian military must be able to lay down their arms and surrender;
– In the Kupyansk area, 15 battalions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are blocked;
– Fighting is already going on inside Konstantinovka in the DPR;
– Since March last year, the political leadership of Ukraine has been just a criminal group that has usurped power;
– Representatives of the Kyiv regime “sit on golden pots” and do not think about the fate of Ukraine and soldiers;
– The Kiev leadership retains power for the sake of personal enrichment;
– The goals of the NWO must be unconditionally achieved.
The main statement of Gerasimov in the report to the President of Russia:
– The troops of the united group are advancing in almost all directions;
– 70% of Krasnoarmeysk was liberated;
– The city of Kupyansk was liberated;
– The RF Armed Forces are advancing in Seversk;
– More than 80% of Vovchansk has been liberated;
– In the Zaporozhye direction, battles are underway for Primorskoye and Stepnogorskoye;
– The advanced units of the Vostok group reached the Gaichur River;
 
 
— Russian troops have entered Krasny Liman;
– Discussions are underway to deliver retaliatory strikes on the military infrastructure of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

 

 

12:40

 

Posted by: Saint Jimmy | Nov 20 2025 19:07 utc | 48

Its the English establishment masquerading as British that are stirring the pot. 
They are still trying to find some purpose now their empire has gone and they have bankrupted the country.

Posted by: Cavery | Nov 20 2025 19:09 utc | 49

In response to

It seems there is a bit of a fight going on between the Brits and the Americans, US trying to take control of Ukraine from the Brits.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 20 2025 18:27 utc | 27

 
It occurred to me that perhaps the China/Russia axis has decided the divide and conquer strategy can be useful here/now.  I continue to believe that one of the oligarch factions is real old money that I call the God Of Mammon cult and it may be connected to the City of London Corp. as well.    The other oligarch faction, which Trump may be fronting, sees the public/private finance issue and rising China as a reality that must be worked with instead of hegemony denial.
 
Time will tell.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 20 2025 19:09 utc | 50

This should be called the Pause Plan for that’s the only thing it does is to make people pause for a moment to read its absurdity before returning to reality. I’ll inform the bar that Maria Zakharova’s Weekly Briefing is one of the many must reads that have appeared today. The transcript isn’t quite complete, but by the time you get to the current end it will likely be finished. And of course, it’s in Russian.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 20 2025 19:09 utc | 51

The so-called anti-corruption vertical, if it really were an effective control, could arrest Yermak. The real issue is Ukraine is not a bourgeois democracy but a fascist regime and removing Zelensky is not so simple. In himself, Zelensky is nothing but in the state apparatus, the president functions is in various ways essential, just like the power button, or heads up display, or a small but essential cog transmitting force. I do not see how he can be compelled to change policy absent a genuine threat of being replaced, which seems to be non-existent at this point. Nor for that matter do I see how anything but a ore committed fascist can come to the head at this moment. If our host is excited at the thought that somehow Zelensky embarrassed leads to Russian victory in peace negotiations, I think this is quite premature. 
 
I’m having troubles finding actual details on line, which suggests all hands are still very much at the stage where they spin negotiations for domestic benefit, rather than substantive negotiations. As near as I can tell, the proposals are for a frozen conflict, not much more than an indefinite ceasefire. Formally, limiting Ukrainian total military forces and restricting long range missile forces from country would provide a minimal guarantee of Russian security. But in truth Ukraine has always been just one front in the US war to re-divide the world even in the face of its relative decline. Leaving NATO out means there is no compromise on broader Russian security at all. It is by the way often overlooked that to my knowledge Putin has never acknowledged Odessa or Kharkov as parts of Novorossiya, subject to the democratic right to self-determination. The implicit proposition that fascists can charged with enforcing language rights for minorities, or even the Russian Orthodox Church, borders on insulting the intelligence in my view. 

Posted by: steven t johnson | Nov 20 2025 19:11 utc | 52

Yermak is “Big Daddy” & puppet Zelenski cannot function without him.

Posted by: Don Firineach | Nov 20 2025 19:13 utc | 53

Posted by: Louis | Nov 20 2025 18:55 utc | 43

Russia is facing a catastrophic financial reality
Oh no, again? If I a had a dollar every time I read that since 2022…

Posted by: taukey | Nov 20 2025 19:14 utc | 54

Fight to the last Ukrainian seems to include politicians as well as soldiers.
Russia can see the end in sight. They can see the big money techs fighting and they will just play Trump as they played Biden

  • So sad for the civilians of Ukraine. The west doesn’t care. But soon it will be their turn to suffer, they just haven’t responded that yet.

Posted by: Bingo | Nov 20 2025 19:15 utc | 55

The shake out of Ukraine’s corruption is going to cause the fall of one or more collaborating European governments. 
Posted by: too scents | Nov 20 2025 18:08 utc | 11

Indeed, I’m thinking the coke brothers (Starmer, Macron, Merz), Kallas, von der Lying, Stoltenberg, maybe a few well known US warpigs…

Posted by: ChatNPC | Nov 20 2025 19:18 utc | 56

Fighting to the last Ukrainian means politicians as well as soldiers. Go ahead. Make my day.

Posted by: Bingo | Nov 20 2025 19:20 utc | 57

Uptik in trolls in the bar. Interesting it happens now.

Posted by: frithguild | Nov 20 2025 19:26 utc | 58

Any peace plan to end the war in Ukraine should take into account the following:
 
IN 2014 THE UNITED STATES CONDUCTED A COUP IN UKRAINE.
 
In 2014 the United States (aligned with a faction in the Ukrainian government) conducted a coup in Kiev (to replace the democratically elected Yanukovich government which was considered insufficiently pro-Europe).
 
Many in Eastern Ukraine rebelled against this coup-government.
 
A civil war began.
 
The coup-government claimed authority over all of Ukraine
 
and called itself “the Ukrainian government”.
 
The coup-government sent in the military to deal with the eastern rebels.
 
The media claimed, and still claims, that the U.S. backed coup-government had a “right” to all of Ukraine and they champion (vigorously support) a march to the Russian border.
 
WHAT IF THE RUSSIANS HAD CONDUCTED THE COUP IN 2014?
 
Imagine that in 2014 Russia (aligned with a faction in the Ukrainian government) conducted a coup in Kiev (to replace the Yanukovich government which was considered too pro-Europe).
 
Many in Western Ukraine rebelled against this coup-government.
 
A civil war began.
 
The coup-government claimed authority over all of Ukraine
 
and called itself “the Ukrainian government”.
 
The coup-government called in the Russian military to deal with the western rebels.
 
Of course, to be consistent, the media would have to claim that the Russian backed coup-government had a “right” to all of Ukraine and that they championed a march of the Russian military to the Polish border.
 
The important point is that statements such as “Ukraine will not give up any of its land,” and “Zelenski Rejects Giving Land” make no sense.
 
This is because the coup-government, and its successors, never established authority over all of Ukraine.
 
ANOTHER SCENARIO
 
What if the Chinese (aligned with a leftist/communist faction in the Ukrainian government) had conducted a coup in Kiev. Would this give them authority over all of Ukraine?
 
What is the legal situation?
 
A few notes on the 2014 Coup in Ukraine.
 
A few days before the coup the US Under/Deputy Secretary of State, Victoria Nuland, was taped telling US Ambassador to Ukraine, Geoffrey Pyatt, why she wanted Arseniy Yatsenyuk to be the prime minister of the coup-government, rather than the boxer Vitali Klitschko who was apparently the favorite for the position.
 
The Russians released the tape to the internet. Some thought this would stop the coup going ahead.
 
However, the coup went ahead, Nuland’s order was carried out, and Yatsenyuk got the job of prime minister.
 
Klitschko got the job of mayor of Kiev.
 
Everyone in sight (except possibly Tyahnybok) was a Jew but you are not allowed to call it a Jew coup.
 
You are allowed to call it a Nazi coup though.
 
All this led directly to the 2014 Ukraine civil war,
 
which led to the 2022 Ukraine-Russia war.

Posted by: John | Nov 20 2025 19:27 utc | 59

Lots of talk of plans but the SMO is an actual, real, big deal war btwn the USA and Russia, right on the knife edge of world war, my guess is this can only resolve as real wars resolve, by feet on the ground and a military defeat of one side. Russia will take what it deems necessary, the USA will eat it or go all in for WW3, all the rest is the frantic chaos you always see when one side starts to collapse. 
 
When Trump and Putin met in Alaska they were there to give each other clear face to face ultimatums the rest was theater. Right afterwards Putin started crushing Ukraine, we will soon find out if the USA is bluffing. I said a while back that the more Russia succeeds the more dangerous things will get not less. Let’s hope the USA was bluffing, I’m pretty sure Putin’s ultimatum was that if NATO steps in to thwart a Russian victory someone will get nuked. 
 
Mind you, Europe has no say in the matter, Europe is not a state that governs a military but a military that governs a state, Eurolandia has been slyly set up as a military state run by NATO. NATO is a military hierarchy not a democracy, it’s not run by consensus, there are no votes, there is no rotating command, the military head is by charter always a Pentagon general, he takes his orders from the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, who gets his orders from the Sec. of Defense War who gets his orders, believe it or not, from Commander in Chief Trump. If Trump tells NATO to attack it attacks, if he says stand down it stands down – anything else and it implodes.  Big fun ahead.
 
 
 

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Nov 20 2025 19:29 utc | 60

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 20 2025 18:27 utc | 27It seems there is a bit of a fight going on between the Brits and the Americans, US trying to take control of Ukraine from the Brits.<= I suspect Trump would win his peace prize if his USA sinks the UK to the bottom of the Atlantic.  What a sailboat race that would be.. 

Posted by: snake | Nov 20 2025 19:31 utc | 62

“It occurred to me that perhaps the China/Russia axis has decided the divide and conquer strategy can be useful here/now.  I continue to believe that one of the oligarch factions is real old money that I call the God Of Mammon cult and it may be connected to the City of London Corp. as well.    The other oligarch faction, which Trump may be fronting, sees the public/private finance issue and rising China as a reality that must be worked with instead of hegemony denial.
 Time will tell.”
 
Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 20 2025 19:09 utc | 50
 
I believe you have hit the proverbial nail on the head.

Posted by: canuk | Nov 20 2025 19:32 utc | 63

Alexander Mercouris thinks Europeans elites told NABU investigators to back off the Zelensky Gang.   

Posted by: Fredrick | Nov 20 2025 19:33 utc | 64

Maybe off topic but a timely update. Good comment from the TG Channel mod, “Come on, offer us something to rent.”
 

Kupyansk has been completely liberated, Gerasimov reports to Putin on the situation on the front.
▪️The troops of the joint group are advancing in almost all directions.▪️More than 80% of the territory of Vovchansk has been liberated, the Chief of the General Staff announced.
▪️The conditions for the surrender of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in Kupyansk and Krasnoarmeysk (Pokrovsk) have been created; many of them are unable to surrender under the threat of friendly fire.
▪️The “Vostok” group has liberated more than 230 square kilometers in the Dnipropetrovsk and Zaporizhia regions since November 1.
▪️The Russian Armed Forces have taken control of 13 settlements in the Dnipropetrovsk and Zaporizhzhia regions.
▪️The Ukrainian Armed Forces continue their attempts to relieve the encircled troops in Dimitrov, Krasnoarmeysk, and Seversk.
▪️According to the General Staff’s plan, massive retaliatory strikes are being launched against Ukrainian military-industrial complex facilities and the Ukrainian fuel and energy sector facilities that support them.
https://t.me/llordofwar/530086

 
——-

 
The Supreme Commander visited one of the command posts of the “West” group, which is advancing in the Kupyansk and Krasnolimansk directions.
 
Fighting is already underway inside Kostiantynivka, 15 Ukrainian Armed Forces battalions are blocked near Kupyansk, Putin said.
 
▪️Platonovka has been liberated, and city blocks in Seversk are being cleared.
▪️Ukrainian soldiers must be able to lay down their arms and surrender.
▪️People who sit on golden pots hardly care about ordinary people, Putin said of the Ukrainian “authorities.”
➖This is no longer a political leadership in Ukraine—it’s a criminal group, Putin emphasized.
▪️The Kyiv leadership is holding on to power for personal enrichment.
 
https://t.me/llordofwar/530089

—–
 

Kupyansk and Yampol are ours!
 
Towards a new pissing day – Russian troops are liberating the cities. The President heard reports from military commanders at the command post of the “West” group of forces.
 
✔️In short,
 
✔️Kupyansk is ours.
 
✔️Yampol is ours.
 
✔️80 percent of Vovchansk liberated.
 
✔️70 percent of Pokrovsk liberated.
 
✔️4,000 buildings cleared in Konstantinovka.
 
Come on, offer us something to rent.
 
https://t.me/llordofwar/530092

 
 
 

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Nov 20 2025 19:40 utc | 65

Posted by: Louis | Nov 20 2025 18:55 utc | 43
 
You obviously are new at this Troll-thingie.
 
If you want to be a successful Troll and to be paid handsomely you have to come in at the consensus level get along then subtly, but intelligently, change the tune a bit slowly, over time  winning over some adherents to  changing opinions-then you can go harder.  Yadda .Yadda.
 
However, coming out  like a Bull in a China shop, as you do, is a red flag, excuse the pun, everyone knows you are a dirty, rotten  troll.
 
So change names come back and again, be clever you can get better-maybe make some money.
 
On the other hand ,if you are not a rookie Troll, you certainly are a retard.

Posted by: canuk | Nov 20 2025 19:41 utc | 66

psychohistorian50 canuk @ 62 Sure would be nice if the capitalist scorpions in the jar killed each other and left the Chinese and Russians, and all the rest of us out of it, but sadly, it doesn’t work that way. 

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Nov 20 2025 19:45 utc | 67

*** Europe is not a state that governs a military but a military that governs a state ***
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Nov 20 2025 19:29 utc | 59
 
Hat tip for an awesome turn of a phrase. 
 

Posted by: frithguild | Nov 20 2025 19:50 utc | 68

The EU’s bigwigs need to be removed by EU citizens.
 
Arnaud Bertrand (@RnaudBertrand): “We’re on the edge of Europe’s most humiliating moment in history. The White House is apparently about to achieve a comprehensive peace deal with Russia which Kirill Dmitriev, the Russian negotiator, say is “a much broader framework [than just a ceasefire agreement], basically saying, ‘How do we really bring, finally, lasting security to Europe, not just Ukraine.'” So in effect it looks like this is an agreement which redraws the entire European security architecture. The thing, however, is that Europeans are NOT part of the discussions and, when asked about them, the White House replied: “We don’t really care about the Europeans.” This would make it probably the first time EVER in history that Europe’s security is decided completely by outside forces, as a proxy with zero say in its own fate (indeed with explicit contempt for its input). I actually looked into this for my August article “Not at the table: Europe’s colonial moment” (https://arnaudbertrand.substack.com/p/not-at-the-table-europes-colonial). The only comparable parallel I could find is the fall of Constantinople in 1453. But even this was a somewhat “classic” military defeat where the victor simply dictated terms. At the time, there wasn’t another external power negotiating with the Ottomans about how to carve up Byzantine territory – it was at least a straightforward conquest. Don’t misunderstand me. I’ll be the first to applaud if the Ukraine war comes to an end. It was, as I have argued since day 1 (https://x.com/RnaudBertrand/status/1700719253685678286?s=20), one of the most predictable and therefore one of the most avoidable wars in history. BUT, and this is a huge “but”, having your continent’s security architecture redesigned without you sets a catastrophic precedent: it defines Europe as nothing more than geography to be bargained over by others. This is the natural consequence of decades of appalling strategic choices by Europeans, starting with the fundamental decision to outsource their security to NATO – effectively to Washington – rather than building genuine strategic autonomy. This shaped how Europe dealt with both Russia and Ukraine: following hawkish US policy, dictated by its own interests to keep Eurasia divided (“divide and conquer”), as opposed to Europe’s own interests which clearly lay in continental integration and stability. Now we see the wages of these choices: a continent whose opinion literally doesn’t matter when its security is being negotiated. Src for the screenshot: https://www.politico.com/playbook” | nitter.poast.org

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Nov 20 2025 19:50 utc | 69

@Saint Jimmy | Nov 20 2025 19:07 utc | 48
In response to VVP’s instruction that Ukrainian soldiers must be given the opportunity to surrender, Gerasimov made the point

Gerasimov told the president that “many” Ukrainian service members would like to do so. “However, most of them, under threat of execution or destruction by their own drones, are unable to carry out this task. Meanwhile, Ukraine’s political leadership has not given its troops any instructions on this matter.”    source: Sputnik

 

Posted by: cirsium | Nov 20 2025 19:51 utc | 70

before a pivot can occur, a new target has to be prepared, like the pivot from Afghanistan to Ukraine. real men still march on Teheran, maybe via Caracas. Sudan is also another land where the conflict has nothing to do with oil but only human rights and westerners saving the colored folks from themselves.
 
what will Bono and Sting and David Gilmour and co sing when their hero Zelenski flees to Orlando?
https://www.one.org/us/what-we-do/the-issues/foreign-assistance-pause-faq/
How are authoritarian regimes responding?
Per Boner, Russia, Iran, China, Georgia, Belarus, Venezuela and Nicaragua all deserve regime change because they all cheered Trump’s changes to USAID funding. 
 
Just ask the NGO’s who’s next after Kiev. It’s a target rich environment.

Posted by: duck n cover | Nov 20 2025 19:52 utc | 71

Each time Trump makes peace overtures, the stronger the Euros cleave to the tar baby that is 404.
Each time the US commits to less and less support, the more the Euros slip the chain of the anchor around their own necks,
As austerity bites on the home front, the more political instability will grow.

Posted by: ChatNPC | Nov 20 2025 19:55 utc | 72

The NABU nonsense is some sort of theater, I’m not sure what they (DC, Brussels, Kiev) are all up to but it’s not what it seems. When Putin was said to have said, “Oh, gosh, no” to Oreshniking Bankova that was theater from the Ruskie side, what Putin very like said was, “Not yet, time’s not right”. The right time is getting close, if Russia could Oreshnik the entire lot of Kiev criminals in one clean shot, all in their bunker, all of Ukraine would cheer, including the Azov guys.  Then they would get back to fighting the Russians.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Nov 20 2025 19:58 utc | 73

I remembered Rubio had said something about it so looked it up.
 
Ending a complex and deadly war such as the one in Ukraine requires an extensive exchange of serious and realistic ideas. And achieving a durable peace will require both sides to agree to difficult but necessary concessions. That is why we are and will continue to develop a list of potential ideas for ending this war based on input from both sides of this conflict.
https://x.com/marcorubio/status/1991297619964854460
 
From Resident tg that I quoted earlier in the thread
 “According to our information, there is no real plan as such, but there is a set of initiatives,”
 
Both Rubio and Resident saying the same thing.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 20 2025 20:11 utc | 74

canuk @ 65
 

If you want to be a successful Troll and to be paid handsomely

 
Paid handsomely? These guys live in their cars, are minimum wage, the perks are free coffee and sandwiches, and the handsome part is gathering up enough gas money to move the car on street cleaning days. Of course there is the lure and the dream, a NED job in Myanmar.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Nov 20 2025 20:13 utc | 75

Russia will not accept the plan, but it shows that the West/US gets closer to reality and Russias demands with ervery new plan. Here in Germany people are talking in the forums that Ukraine should agree instead of losing more men and territory.
No more talk anbout all returning all territory and “Ukraine must win!”

Posted by: Johann Siegfried von Oberndorf | Nov 20 2025 20:14 utc | 76

Posted by: cirsium | Nov 20 2025 19:51 utc | 69
 
Sadly, yeah.

Posted by: Saint Jimmy | Nov 20 2025 20:15 utc | 77

nothing surprising here… typical american leadership bullshit and crap…  thanks for the update b… cheers everyone! 

Posted by: james | Nov 20 2025 20:15 utc | 78

Republicofscotland | Nov 20 2025 19:50 utc | 68
 
Just in te last 24 hours, the US ambassador to Nato stated he would like to see a German general leading Nato instead of an American general.
He said it may be some time before Germany is ready for that, but it does look like the US is washing its hands of Europe and Nato.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 20 2025 20:20 utc | 79

… He said it may be some time before Germany is ready for that, but it does look like the US is washing its hands of Europe and Nato.Peter AU1 | Nov 20 2025 20:20 utc | 78
Then the Germans will finally become megalomaniacs: “We will have the largest army in Europe” (Merz).
But it would fit: the former Nazis against Russia, now Nazis against Russia again.
 

Posted by: smartfox | Nov 20 2025 20:27 utc | 80

Any news from Palestine? Strange aid coming in but no food or medicine.

Posted by: Ray | Nov 20 2025 20:30 utc | 81

@Peter AU1 | Nov 20 2025 20:20 utc | 78

it does look like the US is washing its hands of Europe and Nato.

Washing one’s hand of a Europe is like washing one’s hand of Australia. Europe is a geographical area.
I suppose you mean US is washing its hands of EU and Nato. EU is not Europe.

Posted by: Norwegian | Nov 20 2025 20:30 utc | 82

The TDS here still cannot understand that Trump continues to not support Ukraine like Biden did.
Note I am not saying Ukraine is getting NO support. What I am saying is that Ukraine is not getting all the support the US could give, much less the support minimally needed to draw out the SMO “for as long as it takes”.
Yes, he is pushing all the buttons: threats of Tomahawks, sanctions on Lukoil and Rosneft, attempts to pressure China and India, and now pressure to force Zelensky in line or to enable his rivals to take Z out.
The difference between the first 3 actions vs the last one is telling though.
The first 3 are about trying to increase US leverage in negotiations with Russia.
The last one is about settings things straight on the Ukraine side.
As for Europe: Europe doesn’t matter. Trump gave the Europeans the opportunity to both fund and arm Ukraine – and Europe (and the UK) have abjectly failed to do so. The Triple Losers of Merz, Macron and Starmer will continue to Sturm und Drang, but anybody with any credibility should see this as no more than a tempest in the ever shrinking European tea cup.

Posted by: c1ue | Nov 20 2025 20:30 utc | 83

Russia is facing a catastrophic financial realityOh no, again? If I a had a dollar every time I read that since 2022…Posted by: taukey | Nov 20 2025 19:14 utc | 54

I think something very similar to those calculations were what caused the westerners to think their foolish plan would work. A kind of superficial analysis steered by confirmation biased.

Posted by: David G Horsman | Nov 20 2025 20:31 utc | 84

The producers of Chernobyl need to get busy, The Green T Shirt Zelan Tzu mini series could top game of thrones.

Posted by: steve | Nov 20 2025 20:33 utc | 85

Europe on the verge of kettling Ukrainian refugees inside Ukraine.
 
 
Per Zakharova on 20 November:  “Several European countries have already begun a step-by-step suspension of national temporary protection programs for Ukrainian citizens, along with imposing stricter conditions for obtaining refugee status.   The self-appointed allies of the Kiev regime see these people as disposable.   You know, they’ve been lying around getting fat in Western European countries, like piglets before a feast.   And now they are being sent to the slaughter.   It’s just horrible.”
 
 
It’s as if the European countries have now become the backstop neoNazi enforcers positioned behind the LOC who make sure that none of the meat-troops escape the meatgrinder via surrender or retreat.   The European elites quite literally have cauldronized Ukraine.
 
 
Meanwhile, Zakharova additionally said today that Kiev is preparing to lower the draft age.

Posted by: steel_porcupine | Nov 20 2025 20:34 utc | 86

I wanna see Z dancing the Mussolini cha-cha from a lamp pole.

Posted by: Klaus | Nov 20 2025 20:40 utc | 87

put some relevant comments extractd etc on previous post by b.

Posted by: Jo | Nov 20 2025 20:41 utc | 88

Posted by: too scents | Nov 20 2025 18:22 utc | 22
 
Good point.
 
 

Posted by: canuk | Nov 20 2025 20:42 utc | 89

BREAKING – ⚠️🇺🇸28 points of the US peace plan published
 
As reported by MP Goncharenko, the plan includes the following points:
 
1. Security and Political Status of Ukraine• Confirmation of Ukraine’s sovereignty.• Ukraine receives security guarantees from the US, but with conditions.• Ukraine enshrines non-aligned status and rejection of NATO in its Constitution; NATO confirms Ukraine’s permanent non-membership.• The size of the AFU (Armed Forces of Ukraine) is limited.• Ukraine remains a non-nuclear state.
2. Territorial Issues• Crimea, Donetsk, and Lugansk are recognized as de facto Russian.• Kherson and Zaporozhye are “frozen” along the line of contact.• Parts of the territories become a demilitarized buffer zone under de facto Russian control.• Both sides pledge not to alter borders by force.
 
3. Military Agreements• NATO does not deploy troops in Ukraine.• NATO fighter jets are stationed in Poland.• Security dialogue between US-NATO-Russia, creation of a US-Russian working group.• Russia legally formalizes a policy of non-aggression against Ukraine and Europe.
 
4. Economic Block and Ukraine’s Reconstruction• The US and Europe launch a large investment package for Ukraine’s reconstruction.• $100 billion of frozen Russian assets – for Ukraine’s reconstruction; the US receives 50% of the income.• Europe adds another $100 billion.• Other frozen Russian assets will go towards joint US-Russian projects.• Creation of a Ukraine Development Fund, investments in infrastructure, resources, technology.
 
5. Russia in the World System• Gradual lifting of sanctions.• Russia’s return to the G8.• Long-term economic cooperation between US-Russia.
6. Humanitarian Issues• “All for all” exchange, return of civilians and children.• Humanitarian programs, family reunification.• Educational programs on tolerance.
 
7. Energy and Special Facilities• Launch of ZNPP (Zaporozhye Nuclear Power Plant) under IAEA supervision; electricity – 50/50 between Ukraine and Russia.• The US helps rebuild Ukraine’s gas infrastructure.
 
8. Internal Political Processes in Ukraine• Elections 100 days after the signing of the agreement.• Full amnesty for all participants in the war.
9. Implementation and Control• The agreement is legally binding.• Control is exercised by a “Peace Council” led by Donald Trump.• Violations – sanctions.• After signing – immediate ceasefire and withdrawal to agreed positions.
 
As President Putin particularly emphasized today — the goals of the SMO (Special Military Operation) must be achieved, which means these points are simply laughable.

https://t.me/ukraine_watch/51195

Posted by: Norwegian | Nov 20 2025 20:43 utc | 90

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Nov 20 2025 20:13 utc | 74
 
Yes , you are correct but Trolls must be able to dream…..

Posted by: canuk | Nov 20 2025 20:43 utc | 91

Sorry for the bad formatting, the visual editor is not handling copy/paste correctly

Posted by: Norwegian | Nov 20 2025 20:44 utc | 92

If you want to be a successful Troll and to be paid handsomely you have to come in at the consensus level get along then subtly, but intelligently, change the tune a bit slowly, over time  winning over some adherents to  changing opinions-then you can go harder.  Yadda .Yadda.
Posted by: canuk | Nov 20 2025 19:41 utc | 65

Good Lord man! Now were moved from feeding it to educating it. A classic from the early days that remains effective.
 
BTW, the only proven method to reduce extremism is, of all things, befriending the extremist. Anecdotally shown to work. It has to be sincere. 
 
Sorry no link but I spent a few years tracking this topic in my limited ability. There’s a solution there but how would you see it implemented?

Posted by: David G Horsman | Nov 20 2025 20:45 utc | 93

@Chris Cosmos | Nov 20 2025 18:49 utc, who said:

The current battle between various factions in the finance world and Big Tech sectors will take some time to work itself out–that’s the only important dynamic in any of this. 

Chris: can you provide a bit  more detail about the finance .vs. tech sector jockeying? I would not have included the tech sector in the Rule the World fight just yet, and I’m curious why you see  them as a major player.

Posted by: Tom Pfotzer | Nov 20 2025 20:46 utc | 94

Posted by: Norwegian | Nov 20 2025 20:43 utc | 89
 
Thanks!

Posted by: canuk | Nov 20 2025 20:46 utc | 95

Surely the Neo-Nazi dictator Zelensky will want the war to continue – peace would ultimately lead to elections and Zelensky would be booted out of office  – of course corruption and ballot box stuffing might see him remain in office – afterall he’s a Western puppet leader.
 
“Ukraine has officially confirmed receiving a draft peace plan from the US. The country’s leader, Vladimir Zelensky, has expressed hope he will be able to discuss the proposal with US President Donald Trump “in the coming days.”
The announcement came late on Thursday, following multiple media reports suggesting that Washington had provided Kiev with its new 28-point plan to bring the hostilities with Russia to an end.
The roadmap reportedly would require Ukraine to withdraw from the parts of the new Russian regions in Donbass still under Kiev’s control, cut its armed forces by at least half, surrender some weaponry, and suspend its NATO bid.
The reported contents of the draft plan have drawn the ire of Kiev’s backers in the EU, who were apparently caught by surprise. EU foreign policy chief Kaja Kallas, for instance, argued that any peace arrangement must reflect the positions of both the bloc and Ukraine itself, claiming the US plan contained no concessions from the Russian side.
While the draft has reportedly left Zelensky “displeased,” his office provided a reserved reaction, expressing willingness to “discuss” the proposals with Trump “in the coming days.”
 
Zelensky “has officially received from the American side a draft plan which, in the American side’s assessment, could help reinvigorate diplomacy,” the official statement reads.
On Wednesday, following the meeting with Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, Zelensky indicated a willingness to resume peace negotiations with Russia, stating that Türkiye was ready to “ provide the necessary platform” for talks.
Kiev unilaterally walked away from the Istanbul negotiation format early in the conflict. Direct negotiations only resumed this year. The three rounds held throughout 2025 failed to bring any major breakthroughs, boiling down to prisoner exchanges and other humanitarian issues.
Moscow remains open to negotiating with Kiev, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said on Wednesday, pointing out that the “pause” in the talks was the result of “the Kiev regime’s reluctance to continue this dialogue.”

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Nov 20 2025 20:50 utc | 96

*** Ending a complex and deadly war such as the one in Ukraine requires an extensive exchange of serious and realistic ideas. And achieving a durable peace will require both sides to agree to difficult but necessary concessions. ***
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 20 2025 20:11 utc | 73
 
Rubio is talking about competing factions within the west negotiating with each other, not with Russia. If this weren’t the persistent problem he would have gone to Budapest. 

Posted by: frithguild | Nov 20 2025 20:52 utc | 97

I went to the original Axios article that broke the news about the US peace proposal. I had read the Politico article which was based on it. There is a subscription blocker at the link though I used firefox reader view and got past it.
https://www.axios.com/2025/11/19/ukraine-peace-plan-trump-russia-witkoff
 
 The British telegraph version b quote was quite different to original articles I had read.
An interesting sentence here from the Axios article.
“Friction point: Dmitriev said this effort was entirely unrelated to the U.K.-led push to draft a Gaza-style peace plan for Ukraine, which he said had no chance of success because it disregards Russia’s positions.”
 
Witkoff cancelled his meeting with Zelensky in Turkey as he was not interested in The US proposals. He was instantly hit with the corruption investigation and became very amendable to the proposal.
 
There is another Axios article written since Driscoll’s meeting with Zelensky.
https://www.axios.com/2025/11/20/trump-ukraine-plan-zelensky-driscoll-meeting
 
This part is interesting
The intrigue: Driscoll didn’t know until last week that he would be drafted into the role of peace envoy.

  • That assignment kicked off a frenzy of activity, a U.S. official said: “As you can imagine, we wipe the calendar, go into full planning and prep mode.”
  • “He’s taking policy briefs. He’s taking backgrounds, history of the war, all sorts of things all the way through the weekend, and then they scream out of here,” the official said.
  • Driscoll and the U.S. military leaders in his delegation will also be meeting with defense industry representatives and Ukrainian military leaders while in Kyiv.”

 
Why was Driscoll sent and not Witkoff?
 

“Driving the news: Driscoll presented Zelensky with a written copy of the plan, according to a Ukrainian official.

  • A U.S. official said Zelensky and Driscoll “agreed on an aggressive timeline for signature.”
  • Zelensky’s office said in a statement that the Ukrainian president “outlined the fundamental principles that matter to our people, and following today’s meeting, the parties agreed to work on the plan’s provisions in a way that would bring about a just end to the war.”
  • Zelensky later tweeted that Ukraine was “ready for constructive, honest and swift work” on Trump’s plan to end the war.
  • Driscoll’s delegation originally planned to travel to Ukraine to discuss military technology and strategy before the White House asked him to help “kickstart negotiations” with Zelensky on behalf of U.S. envoy Steve Witkoff and Secretary of State Marco Rubio, a second U.S. official said.”

 
 

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 20 2025 20:56 utc | 98

Never mind the below – its Russia via its intel gathering ship that’s looking to attack Britain.
“NATO has turned the Baltic Sea into an area of military confrontation, Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova has said, lamenting that the bloc is unwilling to discuss de-escalation in the region.
Her remarks come amid rising anti-Russian rhetoric and military activity among NATO members, especially Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania, which all border Russia and the Baltic Sea.
Zakharova said the region had long been a space of trade and peaceful cooperation, but that the balance has been dismantled by NATO’s military buildup.
“This part of Europe has been turned into a zone of confrontation, which sharply escalated as a result of Finland and Sweden joining the bloc,” she told Russian media on Thursday.
The diplomat pointed to NATO’s 2025 launch of the ‘Baltic Sentry’ mission, calling it an attempt to impose new navigation rules and turn the sea into the bloc’s “internal waters” – ambitions she said are doomed to fail. She insisted that Russia will remain a full-fledged member of the “Baltic community.”
NATO claims ‘Baltic Sentry’ protects critical undersea infrastructure after recent incidents involving energy and communications cables. It has deployed warships, submarines, and aircraft to the region, conducting regular patrols and drills. Moscow views the buildup as a direct threat.
”It is very difficult to see any potential for dialogue aimed at reducing tensions. And NATO countries… are not showing openness to an honest discussion on ways to de-escalate,” Zakharova said.
Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania have adopted an increasingly confrontational stance toward Russia since the Ukraine conflict escalated in 2022. Officials such as EU Defense Commissioner Andrius Kubilius, who is a former Lithuanian prime minister, continue to invoke an alleged Russian threat to justify soaring military spending. Kubilius warned this week of a possible conflict with Russia within two to four years.”

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Nov 20 2025 20:56 utc | 99

The Wests money system that has supported the ukraine project (which began 70 years ago under the name “Project Aerodynamic” https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/AERODYNAMIC%20%20%20VOL.%201_0113.pdf ) is in danger by the nascent de-Dollarization reluctantly being undertaken by BRICS associated countries. I would like to emphasize the fact that if de-Dollarization does not proceed to completion the West will simply print enough additional currency and bribe the planet into submission, again.

Posted by: Hot Carl | Nov 20 2025 20:57 utc | 100