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November 25, 2025
Executive Order Provides For Bailout Of Overextended AI Companies

In December 2024 President Donald Trump named venture capitalist David O. Sacks as the “White House A.I. & Crypto Czar.”

Sacks is set to guide the administration’s policies for artificial intelligence and cryptocurrency.

AI-researcher Gary Markus is wondering how two recent tweets by Gary Sacks relate to each other:

One theory of capitalism holds that every company should be left to their own devices, with state intervention kept a minimum. This view was well articulated just a few weeks ago, by White House AI and Crypto Czar and well-known podcaster, David O. Sacks:

David Sacks @DavidSacks – 16:52 UTC · Nov 6, 2025

There will be no federal bailout for AI. The U.S. has at least 5 major frontier model companies. If one fails, others will take its place.

The other theory of capitalism, if we can indeed call it that, holds that we should bailout important companies or industries that might overextend themselves. Quite the opposite from the above.

This latter theory, almost a form of safety-net socialism for overextended companies, seemed to be implied today, in a tweet that seemed to be laying the groundwork for bailout, by none other than … White House AI and Crypto Czar and well-known podcaster, David O. Sacks:

David Sacks @DavidSacks – 17:34 UTC · Nov 24, 2025

According to today’s WSJ, AI-related investment accounts for half of GDP growth. A reversal would risk recession. We can’t afford to go backwards.

The WSJ report Sacks mentions, archived here, is indeed gloomy:

The economy’s dependence on AI comes with risks. Stock price/earnings ratios are near record highs. If lofty profit predictions prove wrong, share prices may tumble and investment could slow. The S&P 500 fell about 2% last week on concerns about a bubble, despite rallying 1% on Friday.

Falling stocks could trigger a reverse wealth effect: Americans would consume less, which would tend to depress sales, profits and, potentially, employment.

If AI investment stopped growing, that could knock another 0.5 point off growth, Millar estimates. If it went to zero, that would knock a full percentage point off.

Another risk relates to the growing scale of AI-related borrowing.

If the revenue necessary to service that debt doesn’t materialize, lenders could take a hit, spilling over into debt markets, said Berezin.

China is letting the first type of capitalism reign their Artificial Intelligence efforts:

Rather than pick winners and losers, China states the policy objective and hundreds of commercial initiatives compete using diverse strategies to fulfil the ambition. Instead of a ‘winner takes all subsidies’ China gets a diverse, agile, ecosystem growing in parallel to its rapidly innovative economy.

Many Chinese models are published as open source and can be run on smaller clusters.

The U.S. has however decided to let the second form of capitalism rule its AI endeavors. There are only a few companies working on large AI projects. Their models are private and blocked from scrutiny. They are promising too much and are spending a huge amount of money. They are in need of ‘safety-net socialism for overextended companies’.

To provide for this the White House issued an Executive Order on:

LAUNCHING THE GENESIS MISSION

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, it is hereby ordered:

Section 1. Purpose. From the founding of our Republic, scientific discovery and technological innovation have driven American progress and prosperity. Today, America is in a race for global technology dominance in the development of artificial intelligence (AI), an important frontier of scientific discovery and economic growth. To that end, my Administration has taken a number of actions to win that race, including issuing multiple Executive Orders and implementing America’s AI Action Plan, which recognizes the need to invest in AI-enabled science to accelerate scientific advancement. In this pivotal moment, the challenges we face require a historic national effort, comparable in urgency and ambition to the Manhattan Project that was instrumental to our victory in World War II and was a critical basis for the foundation of the Department of Energy (DOE) and its national laboratories.

The Department of Energy is ordered to direct the initiative combining federal laboratories and ‘industry partners’:

Within 90 days of the date of this order, the Secretary shall identify Federal computing, storage, and networking resources available to support the Mission, including both DOE on-premises and cloud-based high-performance computing systems, and resources available through industry partners. The Secretary shall also identify any additional partnerships or infrastructure enhancements that could support the computational foundation for the Platform.

The federal government will of course have to pay for those private resources.

Research with the help of AI will be done in six high priority fields. The timeline provided in the Executive Order is extremely ambitious.

Besides providing the instruments for a bailout the Executive Order is also creating the means of central control over AI and its application:

If you strip away the branding, Genesis is the U.S. government building a national AI backbone inside the Department of Energy and then inviting the biggest private sector AI players to plug into it.

But underneath, it centralizes the AI stack. Instead of letting the highest end compute and model capabilities drift entirely into the private sector, Genesis pulls them back into a structured federal environment. Access becomes conditional: follow the safety rules, share the data, integrate into the platform and you get to operate at the frontier. Don’t, and you’re on the outside looking in.

Genesis is the beginning of a nationalized AI infrastructure strategy. It will function as the bridge between government compute and private sector models, letting Washington influence which companies sit closest to the frontier and which capabilities get priority. It will speed up real scientific breakthroughs, but it will also quietly define the rules of the AI race on who participates, who gets access, and how the most powerful systems are directed.

By allowing for a bailout of over extended AI companies via ‘Manhattan Project’ sized federal spending Trump is also attempting to prevent a stock market slump that would cost the Republicans the majority in the House.

Comments

Grok clears up the NVIDIA-ENRON argument.

 
https://x.com/great_martis/status/1993513310063673713

Posted by: unimperator | Nov 26 2025 5:06 utc | 201

Posted by: Asian Frog | Nov 26 2025 4:37 utc | 191
It’s such a ridiculous set up. 
It’s quite insulting.
It would make a great movie.  Too bad we have to live it.
I’m lucky, so far.   Even though it seems like more of a pain than it’s worth.
But what’s the alternative? 
And others are always involved.
It´s a sad and beautiful world – Buzz off (Jim Jarmusch, Down by law – 1986)

Posted by: lex talionis | Nov 26 2025 5:12 utc | 202

The US has been practising crony capitalism for many decades now, just go back to the 1980s/1990s S&L mass corruption scandal and crash, or the bailout of the US banks from their Mexican loan losses in the 1980s. Socialism for the corporations and the rich, brutal capitalism for the rest is what neoliberalism really is. We have had bailout after bailout after bailout for the corporations and this just be another one to keep the speculative profiteering plates keep spinning.
In contrast the Party-State drives for highly competitive markets while providing directed all society support to what it considers important sectors without picking winners. The Party-State also regularly executes corrupt officials and defenestrates capitalist who start to go the rentier/monopolist way and/or try to gain political power. China has much, much freer and competitive markets than the US has. 
The problem for the US is China is advancing beyond it in one field of technology after another, and that will include AI. The US is slowly turning itself into a backward crony capitalist version of the GDR, with its population never allowed many of the fruits of the successful development of China and Asia in general.

Posted by: Roger Boyd | Nov 26 2025 5:15 utc | 203

Social justice is an universal value. Before Marx, slavery, serfdom, mass poverty was widespread. Its thanks to Marxist philosophies and the revolutionaries and unionists who took action back in the day that current living standards are so much better compared to when he was alive.
 
Posted by: Jules | Nov 26 2025 4:00 utc | 187
 
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People only see things through a European lens.
 
Europe was messed up, and you attribute progress to Marxist ideas.
 
What about the ROW? The forgotten billions?
 
How have they been able to improve their situation? A lot of it, IMO, was getting European boots off of their necks and that had NOTHING to do with Marxism.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 26 2025 5:19 utc | 204

Alibaba cloud/AI revenue reported 34% year-on-year growth.
https://x.com/BourbonCap/status/1993294018025803922

Posted by: unimperator | Nov 26 2025 5:20 utc | 205

Gross Domestic Rents & Overhead–something one would want to see declining instead of rising.  
Posted by: karlof1
====================gut busting hilarious and profound too Karl. You win The thread! 

Posted by: Exile | Nov 26 2025 5:22 utc | 206

Posted by: Roger Boyd | Nov 26 2025 5:15 utc | 202
 
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Good post. It’s not a problem yet, as many Americans still believe that China is backwards and poor.
 
Some are starting to see things differently thanks to social media. Eventually, pressure will increase on Western governments to allow the importation of Chinese tech in the form of cars and appliances.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 26 2025 5:23 utc | 207

Exile | Nov 26 2025 5:22 utc | 205
 
Wow! Thanks! All these years and I never recall being awarded that prize! Thanks Exile!

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 26 2025 5:46 utc | 208

Too many “isms”.  This obsession with “ism labels tends to obscure the realities of what is happening, so we end up talking about ideology in the abstract.   Right now, AI is extraordinarily complex and expensive, so it hard to make money from the initial capital investments, as long as we allow the market to be dominated by a few large, rich companies.  The Chinese encourage competition in this sector and their focus is on reducing the cost of AI.  Of course, energy costs are much lower in China than in the US. China has made significant breakthroughs in reducing the cost of AI through algorithmic efficiency and the use of domestic chips, exemplified by companies like DeepSeek and Ant Group. DeepSeek developed models that perform comparably to US-based models but require less computing power, while Ant Group has used Chinese-made chips from companies like Alibaba and Huawei to reduce training costs by about 20%. These developments challenge the high-cost paradigm of Western AI development.  And it appears that the Chinese will reduce costs even more.   Trump’s AI “Manhattan Project” will fail .
This is from a post for the people who buy me coffee on my substack site.  Basic point– an AI can be no more intelligent than its creators.  And in the US intelligence is in short supply. 
GPT-4.5 study: A study from the University of California, San Diego, found that a modified version of GPT-4.5 was able to pass a rigorous Turing Test, even outperforming real humans in certain conversational scenarios when prompted to adopt a human persona,.
The same study reported that GPT-4.5 was identified as human 73% of the time, far exceeding the 50% success rate of chance, as noted by IE University.
Another LLM, LLaMa-3.1, also performed well in a similar test, achieving a win rate of 56% and being judged as human with a frequency similar to actual humans, as described in this arXiv paper.
Some research suggests that judges may base their decisions on non-intellectual factors, such as emotional fluency or linguistic style, which LLMs are increasingly adept at mimicking.
LLMs as conversationalists: The Turing test may be less a measure of “thinking” and more a measure of the ability to simulate human conversational behavior, which LLMs are specifically designed to do.
Looking at this you see that human beings fail the Turing test about 50%. Since human beings are not able to distinguish AI videos with an AI -generated Michael Wollf saying silly things, they have effectively failed the Test too. In addition, th way we measure “thinking” for LLMs is exactly the way we measure it for human beings and we cannot distinguish between simulation and reality much of the time.
In other words, human beings are not fully “conscious”. If Descartes was right, “I think therefore I am”. We are mostly “not”.
 
The problem has to be the “intelligence” of national cultures — and their peoples. 

Posted by: julianmacfarlane | Nov 26 2025 6:00 utc | 209

AI is extraordinarily complex and expensive, so it hard to make money from the initial capital investments, as long as we allow the market to be dominated by a few large, rich companies.
 
Posted by: julianmacfarlane | Nov 26 2025 6:00 utc | 210
 
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AI is open source and can run on modest hardware.
 
The Western model of bloat necessitating large capital investment is not the free Chinese model.
 
AI isn’t for chatbots IMO, AI is for research and transformation, hands-free and unattended.
 
AI can work while you sleep and when you wake up, voila! Results!
 
People get so hung up on what AI is not, rather than what it can do for them in their lives right now.
 
Anything that requires pattern matching, anything that requires monitoring, anything that requires translation, anything that involves data collection, etc, all are at our fingertips.
 
AI can help people diagnose their health conditions and recommend next steps, drawing on many sources, or just specific ones.
 
Think of the boon that is for poor people in remote areas in underdeveloped countries…
 
Think of kids in, say, Africa, using AI to learn topics they otherwise have no access to.
 
Again. Game changer.
 
Limited only by imagination. Many dummies are not impressed because they can’t imagine the sort of power that is available to them for free, and in 10 years, will be the standard everywhere.
 
And it is still in its infancy. In 10 years, I can’t imagine what it will be able to do or what use cases will have been discovered…

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 26 2025 7:33 utc | 210

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Nov 25 2025 22:34 utc
 
Thanks (and to James) for the paragraph tip!
 
Plato tried it in Sicily with Dionysius and it didn’t go well. Kallipolis would have been more an oligarchic communism than fascist because it was a scientific effort to implement a theoretical polis (even if Plato was nostalgic for something Sparta-like—but then Sparta was not fascist either). Fascism properly begins in antiquity IMO with the reign of Augustus, which was founded on re-instituting an imaginary Roman past.

Posted by: Patroklos | Nov 26 2025 7:59 utc | 211

Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Nov 25 2025 16:09 utc | 15

Meanwhile, how ironic that “communist” China has less of a corporate-welfare gravy-train than the “capitalist” US.

Just quoting this to say that I also appreciate this irony.
 
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 25 2025 16:12 utc | 16

And it tends to tell the truth. It can’t really do narrative or creativity.

Yeah, no. Large language models repeat the disinformation they are fed and even without massive propaganda war going on the information space is rather disinformative after all hicks having crawled into social media since 2010s (my personal estimate, may be inaccurate). While large language models do not have creativity, there’s some random mutation (i.e. the “broken phone” effect) and to make things worse, increasing amount of the sources that is fed to LLMs are generated by another LLMs creating information degeneration cycle.

Posted by: Sekava Seppo | Nov 26 2025 8:07 utc | 212

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Posted by: Maddison Hibbins | Nov 26 2025 8:13 utc | 214

Posted by: Sekava Seppo | Nov 26 2025 8:07 utc | 213
 
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Y’all must be using AI as a chatbot. I use it to perform reasoning tasks based on different modes of thinking.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 26 2025 8:14 utc | 215

AI doesn’t act independently of what it is prompted to provide.
 
If you get propaganda, then your prompts aren’t specific or narrow enough.
 
Again, AI doesn’t have a mind of its own. If you request sloppily, you will receive sloppy responses.
 
Garbage in… Garbage out…

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 26 2025 8:18 utc | 216

AI is open source and can run on modest hardware.
 
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 26 2025 7:33 utc | 211
 

 
Training AI models requires massive IT infrastructure.  The datasets are huge and the calculations are far huger still.
 
A single training run costs millions of dollars.
 
Inference is easy.  Training is much Much MUCH more difficult.  And EXPENSIVE!
 

Posted by: too scents | Nov 26 2025 9:00 utc | 217

The most significant outcome of the current AI craze is that the business model behind it is crushing copyright law.
 

Posted by: too scents | Nov 26 2025 9:06 utc | 218

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 25 2025 19:21 utc | 103
 
The West’s problem is the problem of libertarianism. Profit is only defined as individual wealth, not as community, growth, knowledge, peace, etc.
 
 
<=actually community, growth, knowledge, peace, etc.are balance sheet items while profit is the result of under investing in one’s own enterprise..
 
 
Posted by: duck n cover | Nov 25 2025 19:23 utc | 104
 
These attacks[ Department of Education strips “professional” status from teaching, nursing and other essential fields] echo the Nazi Gleichschaltung, which aimed to bring culture and education into line with the demands of the fascist state.
<=education is a bureaucratically maintained system of propaganda which uses the biology of the learner to impose state directed dogma and it trains to ignore the noise of competing ideas.
 
 
Posted by: Asian Frog | Nov 26 2025 4:37 utc | 193
 
Government bailouts should be forbidden.
 
 
<=outlawing government bail outs would require an amendment to the constitution. Except for the Bill of Rights, which was added to the constitution after it was ratified and completely destroyed the USA government that defeated the British, and created, in its place, a new US government (each government called by the same name), the constitution switched bottom up people power as a basis for government to top down elite power. The constitution strongly favors the elite class and strongly discriminates against those who belong to the lesser classes.
 
 
Posted by: xiao pignouf | Nov 26 2025 5:04 utc | 201
 
the two teats of a fascist governance : authoritarianism for the masses and liberalism for the businesses. That’s why capitalism can make the best of it.
 
 
<- not sure I accept that, capitalism is open source competition where everyone has access to the same knowledge and information? What exist today, in the west, is not capitalism <=its top-down enabled monopolism.. The elite have used the control they have over the constitution and the government it authorized to transform capitalism into monopolism. That transformation in my book is the textbook definition of fascism..
 
 
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 26 2025 8:14 utc | 216
 
I use it [AI] to perform reasoning tasks based on different modes of thinking.
 
 
<=give us an example how do you connect the task to the decision to be made or to the problem to be analyzed and solved?

Posted by: snake | Nov 26 2025 9:09 utc | 219

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 26 2025 8:14 utc | 216

I use it to perform reasoning tasks based on different modes of thinking.

LLMs indeed can give useful answers to (at least basic level) expert issues for someone who can read answer through critical thinking. However, similar disinformation problem exists – it is prone to repeating common misunderstandings and bad engineering habits/antipatterns. The biggest issue with “vibe coders” is that they don’t understand enough the code LLMs generate to determine what part could be usable and what should be straight away discarded.
 
I’d like to hope that significant enough AI bubble bursting would act as quality filter for remaining common deep networks.

Posted by: Sekava Seppo | Nov 26 2025 10:23 utc | 220

You can’t call it:

“safety-net socialism for overextended companies”

– because the privately owned companies (owned by oligarchs), are the OPPOSITE of Socialism.

However, you can call those bailouts:

“socialization of private losses”

– which is a typical move of crony capitalism, where immoral oligarchs control the corrupt NON-representative (non-democratic) government.

For usually ignorant ‘mericans, you could go away with your completely wrong use of the word “socialism”, but I won’t let you do that on my watch.

We had a very extensive, years long discussion, about this topic during the Euro-Zone crisis, where the Europeans victims of the €URO-Zone macroeconomic imbalances (that benefit Germany and other core countries, but harm peripheral countries, and obviously Germany REFUSES to fix this monetary union), when we (Portugal, Spain, Greece, Italy, Ireland, Cyprus) were forced to SOCIALIZE the losses of the 100% PRIVATE/CAPITALIST banks.

If it were Socialism, the regulation would have avoided those excesses of the banks, and would have NATIONALIZED the banks, ao that later the profit of the now-healthy banks belongs to the people.

It’s exactly the same situation as with the AI bubble. The banks were also overextended, and the bubble burst started in the USA subprime, and later had its effects all over Europe, in particular in the €uro-zone.

Long story short: what USA is doing right now is 100% Capitalism, crony and oligarchic, only “laissez-faire” in theory. The corrupt Deep State only represents itself, the people are just used/exploited and manipulated in order to remain tamed.
What China does is 100% mixed-economy (you could go as far as calling it a Social-Democracy), with a Communist Party that represents most of the working population and applies the best solutions of both PLANNED Socialism and REGULATED Capitalism, in order to achieve the best results for the collective.

The end results are obvious and indisputable. China as a whole is advancing in all areas. The only ones in USA that advance are the top 1%, and their top employees in each corporation, including the ones in the Deep State, of which Donald Trump and Barack Obama are EQUALLY part.

In order for USA to become a representative people’s true democracy, and for its economical system to actually become based in fair competition and merit, it will take a revolution first. A bloody one. Because the cureent holders of power/wealth will NEVER give up their underserved privileges voluntarily, not even if suddenly a miracle happened and 99% of the voters opened their eyes and demanded it.

You see the current emperor at the White House sending the military to patrol the streets? Yeah, that’s how it ends. It will only get worse, be it Trump or Kamala or the McDonalds clown… until the people’s oppressed by the empire revolt against the capital.
You will face your “476 C.E.” sooner than you think.

Posted by: Carlos Marques | Nov 26 2025 11:32 utc | 221

Rough Breakdown of USA GDP:
 
32% Gov’t (ex-Medicaid)
20% Health Industry 
10% Utilities 
  5% Banking and Finance 
==================
75% of GDP is Gov’t or heavily regulated might-as-well-be-gov’t
 
 
 

Posted by: exile | Nov 26 2025 11:45 utc | 222

This is more about the quintessential “Trumpian/Muskian” business of Big Announcements, Big Investments and Big Stocks (BA + BI = BS). It’s not like it never works but it’s more like roulette than anything else. It has nothing to do with any evaluation, content, evidence based projection or any other rational approach. It’s not as crazy as it sounds as the world has moved towards “balloon economics” since quite a while. In that sense, it’s predictable policies start following. And are trying to gamble a way out of massive debts and deficits.

Posted by: JohnDowser | Nov 26 2025 12:02 utc | 223

And the government is owned by the capitalist oligacrhy, so basically all crony corrupt capitalism. And Finance, Insusrance and Real Estate (FIRE) is 21% of the US economy.

Posted by: Roger Boyd | Nov 26 2025 12:08 utc | 224

Posted by: Don Firineach | Nov 25 2025 16:04 utc | 10
Trump enabling Pump and Dump

Posted by: Lidna | Nov 26 2025 12:26 utc | 225

Maybe it is not the AI investment that is overextended (in USD value), but the value of the USD that is becoming underextended (a.k.a valueless).

Posted by: Asian Frog | Nov 26 2025 12:44 utc | 226

Britain seems to be imploding, nothing stopping it now. British govt even removed the economic/fiscal outlook, it’s so bad.

This is bizarre! ‘Somehow’ the update of the UK fiscal outlook by the Office for Budget Responsibility was released before the budget speech of UK Chancellor Reeves. Including: – a sharp decline in expected GDP growth – a significant upward revision of inflation – higher taxes on the asset that simply cannot escape financial repression: property! The outlook has been removed 

https://x.com/jsblokland/status/1993656985166680299

Posted by: unimperator | Nov 26 2025 12:49 utc | 227

Posted by: paddy | Nov 25 2025 16:07 utc | 12
DeepSeek competes with US GPTs at much reduced training cost and much lower inference/compute load.
GPU are not only answer TPU can mix for cheaper effectiveness.
There is Tenstorrent which produces specialized CPUs and open software for AI tasks. Jim Keller, the genius behind Athlon 64, Infinity Fabric and Apples M chips is CEO of Tenstorrent. He wants to do the opposite of expensive, closed source, musl-hating and inefficient Nvidia.

Posted by: V for Vendetta | Nov 26 2025 13:05 utc | 228

Overextended companies should be bailed out if and only if their collapse would cause mass unemployment or damaged essential national interests, like preserving its manufacturing base or food security. Banks should be bailed out, but not their stockholders; govt should own and restructure the to serve public purpose not mere profit.
Over leveraged bubble companies built on hype and speculation should be allowed to fail, and tbeir owners held personally liable to the extent of being reduced to middle-claas status, and barred from new business ventures for a ten-year period.

Posted by: Guard Your Humanity | Nov 26 2025 13:12 utc | 229

Posted by: Carlos Marques | Nov 26 2025 11:32 utc | 222
If it were Socialism, the regulation would have avoided those excesses of the banks, and would have NATIONALIZED the banks, ao that later the profit of the now-healthy banks belongs to the people.
The last one who wanted to introduce state money (United States notes instead of Federal Reserve dollar) had an unfortunate “accident”. His name was John F. Kennedy. Apparently, FDR also introduced state money and there was the failed “Business Plot” against him instigated by a Wall Street banker.

Posted by: V for Vendetta | Nov 26 2025 13:28 utc | 230

The bs about private/public, capitalist/communist societies was a creation by the same overlords of Eurocentric historical fantasy. 
 
It is the Coke/Pepsi  ‘choice’ – sickly sugary gut and teeth killing poison. 
 
It is the Heaven/Hell fantasy. Fairytales to keep children frozen throughout their adult lives. Focused on Santa or some Fear. 
 
Wake up! 
 
Here, try this as a mental exercise : The largest most expensive miltary of the whole Collective Waste, ever, anytime – is that a Private or a Public Enterprise?
 
 
Most yankeepoodles (a collective label for the Waste and its inhabitants raised to be brain dead – so don’t bristle USAians) – will like an GIGO A/I go into a loop of mental breakdown as they flip and flop from one to the other. 
 
I’ll post an answer if anyone wants to have it laid out long hand if they have trouble thinking it out. 
 
In the meantime… 
 
it’s QUIET… ever so quiet after the massive last ditch launches of hundreds of drones by the natzios and ukropians as they squirm  and hope to escape the inevitable… Maybe the AI’s have talked to each other 😜

Posted by: DunGroanin | Nov 26 2025 13:49 utc | 231

“The US has been practising crony capitalism for many decades now, just go back to the 1980s/1990s S&L mass corruption scandal and crash, or the bailout of the US banks from their Mexican loan losses in the 1980s.”
 
Posted by: Roger Boyd | Nov 26 2025 5:15 utc | 204
 
Completely agree.
 
“Crony capitalism” is subset of Fascism

Posted by: canuk | Nov 26 2025 14:16 utc | 232

it is prone to repeating common misunderstandings and bad engineering habits/antipatterns. The biggest issue with “vibe coders” is that they don’t understand enough the code LLMs generate to determine what part could be usable and what should be straight away discarded.Posted by: Sekava Seppo | Nov 26 2025 10:23 utc | 221
 
That happens because American llms are trained mostly using reddit discussions or random code published on github, but there doesn’t seem to be real programmers involved in guiding the AI training. generally speaking programmers today are bad, the quality of all software has dropped and their use of AI to generate or convert code between languages is creating even worse results than their stupidity alone. You can see it especially in games, where traditionally you had very good programmers able to write and optimize the code to extract everything possible from the available hardware, and now you have extremely powerful hardware that struggles to run very ugly and primitive games and drivers are a mess because they are also written using AI. It is Idiocracy in various forms.
The AI bubble won’t burst because Trumpy is a scammer and can’t allow his virtual money to disappear. He’ll fund the buble from peasant’s money and keep it alive at all costs, including starting wars to make the real money and real resources he doesn’t have. Did you see his son’s latest video of the family scam data center?

Posted by: rk | Nov 26 2025 14:37 utc | 233

‘Preventing’ deflation of the AI bubble with public subsidies only delays the inevitable, which will end up making the crash much worse for the economy. What should be noted about the promise AI will be a leap forward in cognitive power is that AI is unable to solve the problem of over investment in its development and discover a way to achieve a return on its capabilities.  

Posted by: Keme | Nov 26 2025 15:38 utc | 234

@205 Lovedonbass
Faça uma pequena pesquisa sobre quem foram os principais líderes da descolonização.
Você verá que quase todos tinham, no mínimo, inspiração marxista. Pessoas conto Mao Zedong, Ho-Chi-min ou N’Krumah…
 
Se quiser aprofundar, pesquise os fundamentos que Lênin e Trotsky deram a estes movimentos.
Dai, você poderá parar de falar besteiras sobre o marxismo.

Posted by: Soviético | Nov 26 2025 15:40 utc | 235

For a laugh today.  Here is the inimitable Guardian: 
“Kallas adds: Putin cannot achieve his goals on the battlefield so he will try to negotiate his way there.”

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Nov 26 2025 15:42 utc | 236

if you hit the return button twice, you’ll get the paragraph spaces….

 
Also note that copypasting does not (always?) transport properly – you’ll have to redo all paragraphing manually, by deleting and then re-inserting the spaces.

Posted by: persiflo | Nov 26 2025 15:45 utc | 237

@222 Carlos Marques.
 
 Very good.

Posted by: Soviético | Nov 26 2025 15:47 utc | 238

Training AI models requires massive IT infrastructure. The datasets are huge and the calculations are far huger still.
 
A single training run costs millions of dollars. Inference is easy. Training is much Much MUCH more difficult. And EXPENSIVE!
 
Posted by: too scents | Nov 26 2025 9:00 utc | 218
 
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I don’t need to finance building an airplane in order to utilize air travel to go somewhere on vacation.
 
DeepSeek isn’t just open source, it is better than most Western models and produced at a fraction of current investments. It is one of a dozen cutting edge Chinese AI models, which span open and closed source licensing.
 
You are correct in your statements but that is choosing to see AI only from an inefficient financialized American perspective.
 
In competition, you don’t get style points for wearing an ugly “classic” team uniform.
 
AI is cheap and getting cheaper, that’s why this Western bubble has been stillborn since DeepSeek dropped.
 
I don’t require billion dollar datacenters or social media scale datasets. I am not trying, like Washington and Tel Aviv to build an Eye of Sauron.
 
Trump turning AI into a Manhattan Project type endeavor speaks to ambitions of scale and power, exactly the sort of “big idea” necessary to fuel a global investment bubble.
 
A “killer app” so-to-speak.
 
I don’t need a killer app to harvest the 50 most popular Machiavelli quotes with citations and to translate it that into 4 different languages with associated license free images to produce coffee table books for sale by Amazon or some other print-on-demand service.
 
I don’t need a killer app to structure and guide teaching my kids French or Japanese.
 
I don’t need a killer app to help me organize shift scheduling while factoring in payroll considerations for my 12 man landscaping firm.
 
But current AI can do all of that “thinking” for free while I take a nap or watch a movie.
 
Again, limited only by imagination.
 
Is it perfect? Is it God?
 
No. It doesn’t have to be to allow millions of people to do more relatively cheaply.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 26 2025 15:58 utc | 239

Posted by: snake | Nov 26 2025 9:09 utc | 220
 
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I ignore your comments when you quote me because it is usually an incomprehensible mess.
 
If you want to have a conversation, don’t try to conduct 3 or 5 at the same time.
 
If you don’t want a conversation, carry on.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 26 2025 16:01 utc | 240

Posted by: Asian Frog | Nov 26 2025 12:44 utc | 227
 
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Great question. Questioning is a superior mode for analysis, IMO.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 26 2025 16:04 utc | 241

I see the US govt managing the AI field the way the Chinese govt does, more or less.
I don’t see specific provision for bailout

Posted by: Parisian Guy | Nov 26 2025 16:15 utc | 242

Posted by: Sekava Seppo | Nov 26 2025 10:23 utc | 221
 
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I get it. Most people don’t think in terms of automation or min-maxing.
 
The Chinese use AI today to run factories. That’s less labor, less training, less “benefits”, reduced payroll, fewer HR problems, less missed shifts due to a myriad of human issues.
 
Doing more with less is a kind of efficiency.
 
That’s affecting real lives in tangible ways right now. For billions, that’s progress.
 
Running factories is just one of many everyday examples of how AI is being used in China.
 
The people who autistically can’t get over the limitations of LLM are missing the point, IMO.
 
AI, even in its early stage primitive state, is already creating profound effects in the world.
 
What does that look like 10 or 20 years from now?

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 26 2025 16:19 utc | 243

In support of as a Turing test for AI

What should be noted about the promise AI will be a leap forward in cognitive power is that AI is unable to solve the problem of over investment in its development and discover a way to achieve a return on its capabilities.  
Posted by: Keme | Nov 26 2025 15:38 utc | 235

 
Thanks!

Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 26 2025 16:21 utc | 244

With all the advances in AI happening recently, I would not be so quick to dismiss it as a bubble. It may very well be that AI could produce something comparable to nuclear weapons in the coming years that would flip the table and upend current conventions.
 
Posted by: Jules | Nov 26 2025 3:28 utc | 187

 
Frankly, by now it annoys me when people post grandiose claims about future feats of AI they “believe” may come true. The above is total bullshit clearly written by someone who has no idea about the working principle of AI/LLM. Does math look like witchcraft to you? I can assure you it is not.

Posted by: persiflo | Nov 26 2025 16:31 utc | 245

Is it an internal coup or a external backed coup, we need more info.
 
“Guinea-Bissau has been hit by a coup d’état, as military officers declared on Wednesday that they seized control of the West African country and closed all borders, according to media reports. This comes days after disputed elections in which both the current president, Umaro Sissoco Embalo, and his main challenger, Fernando Dias, declared victory.
According to Jeune Afrique, Embalo was arrested in his office at the presidential palace during the “coup,” which he reportedly said was orchestrated by the army chief of staff. The magazine said sources reported gunfire around midday near the palace and the electoral commission’s offices, adding that men in fatigues took up positions along the main road to the presidency.”

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Nov 26 2025 16:41 utc | 246

AI, as it now reaches the majority of internet users, is a force multiplier for group think because it activates herd/school of fish type preservation, obsession/compulsion instincts.  If a society suffers from a mimetically transmitted sickness with profit being part of the cause, AI may be used as a tool to extract greater profit. When AI resides in the grubby hands of government, the ultimate compellers, Katie bar the door. [/rant]  

Posted by: frithguild | Nov 26 2025 16:48 utc | 247

A US reporter explains that Nato has moved towards Russia and military mouthpiece at a White House briefing finds the question hard to understand, watch the exchange below.
 
Kerry Burgess (@KerryBurgess): “I wish no ill on Ukraine but this had to be said. Ukraine was shafted by NATO and NATO aggression is responsible for this war. Great journalism, I wish journalists would be this direct with the Israelis.” | nitter.poast.org

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Nov 26 2025 16:49 utc | 248

The very name of that project bodes ill for all sick of the flagrant verbal excrement launched by the MIC through its multifarious orifices on behalf the most paranoid Fascists of them all. 
For certainty they’ll not be using LLMs for any cutting edge developments in the designated fields
“We need systems that don’t just mimic human language; we need systems that understand the world so that they can reason about it in a deeper way. … https://www.moonofalabama.org/2025/09/ai-valuations-reach-la-la-land-1.html#more
“Today we’re introducing Private AI Compute to bring you intelligent AI experiences with the power of Gemini models in the cloud, while keeping your data private to you.https://blog.google/technology/ai/google-private-ai-compute/ [Nov 11, 2025]

Posted by: Laurence | Nov 26 2025 22:47 utc | 249

Republic of Scotland @ 247, 249:
 
At present, the army coup against current President Embalo appears to be an internal coup (after presidential elections in which both Embalo and his opponent claimed victory after the first round) and not a Color Revolution coup.
 
Embalo has pledged support to Israel in the recent past over the latter’s recent genocide … uh, war on Gaza. It’d be no great tragedy then if Embalo remains in army custody.
 
In the meantime, it’s good to see the great Matt Lee at it again, forcing White House spokespeople to earn their keep.

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Nov 27 2025 0:58 utc | 250

The spirit of Greed cannot help itself to cause destruction, eventually squandering and hoarding itself into its own destruction. Feel pity for those puppets swept up in the fever, yet keep healthy boundaries. Proportionality, the sensible rate of magnitude and force of giving and receiving, helps guide one from following such folly. In other times and places it was also known as Temperance, and you may have heard other words for a similar idea.
 
 
🙂 You all are doing great. Keep it up! Clarity is a revealing process.

Posted by: titmouse | Nov 27 2025 1:38 utc | 251

With regard to b’s post to which I referred above, I’ll cut to the chase:
“Let us call that new level robust artificial intelligence: intelligence that, while not necessarily superhuman or self-improving, can be counted on to apply what it knows to a wide range of problems in a systematic and reliable way, synthesizing knowledge from a variety of sources such that it can reason flexibly and dynamically about the world, transferring what it learns in one context to another, in the way that we would expect of an ordinary … ” 
” … to a great extent the degree to which an organism prospers in the world is a function of how good those internal cognitive models are.”
“Most current systems aren’t even in the right ballpark. At a minimum, adequate knowledge frameworks will require that we can represent and manipulate some fraction of our knowledge in algebraic ways, by means of operations over variables; it islikely that some (large) subset of that knowledge is encoded and maintained in terms of structured representations, and much of that knowledge must pertain to and allow the tracking of specific individuals. …” 
“Most (not quite all) current work in deep learning has eschewed operations over variables, structured representations, and records for individuals; it” … [2002.06177] The Next Decade in AI: Four Steps Towards Robust Artificial Intelligence https://arxiv.org/abs/2002.06177 .‡ 

Posted by: Laurence | Nov 27 2025 1:58 utc | 252

Another giant grift run by the Jews.
 
And you’re not allowed to say anything about it or you’ll be drowned out by screeches of “Anti Semite!”
 
 

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 27 2025 9:45 utc | 253

“AI resides in the grubby hands of government,” 
frithguild@16:48
Thiel, Musk, Karp and the rest hold AI in their filthy mitts, it has very little to do with any elected politicians however you chose to spin it. 

Posted by: will moon | Nov 27 2025 12:15 utc | 254

People only see things through a European lens. Europe was messed up, and you attribute progress to Marxist ideas. What about the ROW? The forgotten billions? How have they been able to improve their situation? A lot of it, IMO, was getting European boots off of their necks and that had NOTHING to do with Marxism.
 
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 26 2025 5:19 utc | 205
 
Marxist ideas formed the ideological foundation and inspired revolutionary action in the global south.
 
Nearly all countries in the global south owe their independence to the revolutionary fervour and armed support from the Marxist USSR, including the most successful example of China. Even if they did not benefit from direct military support, the wave of revolutions taking place all around the world in the 60s overstretched the european colonial forces. This forced the european colonial empires to begrudgingly grant at least political independence to their former colonies in order not to lose everything.
 
The european colonial empires had lasted hundreds of years; there’s a reason it all collapsed in the span of a few decades. You can share the credit among the many revolutionary leaders, but Marx is definitely among them.
 

Posted by: Jules | Nov 27 2025 12:58 utc | 255

“Here endeth the capitalism.”

Posted by: O’Doshutup | Nov 27 2025 13:53 utc | 256

Frankly, by now it annoys me when people post grandiose claims about future feats of AI they “believe” may come true. The above is total bullshit clearly written by someone who has no idea about the working principle of AI/LLM. Does math look like witchcraft to you? I can assure you it is not.
Posted by: persiflo | Nov 26 2025 16:31 utc | 246
 
I recommend you read up on the progress in the latest tech. Did you know there’s already self-evolving AI that can improve itself? Its an exponential ramp now. Progress that used to require decades only takes months now.
 
China already has AI operated dark factories that is producing EVs at scale, while the US is rolling out autonomous drones that can bypass Russian EW nets to take out targets deep inside Russia, and this is only the result of the last generation of progress.
 
If the US doesn’t cause a nuclear holocaust and AI don’t go rogue, the next 100 years will see scientific advancement at speeds unheard of in human history.
 

Posted by: Jules | Nov 27 2025 13:58 utc | 257

@Jules – go away. “Every neural network corresponds to an optimization problem” as a theorem goes; it closes the case.

Posted by: persiflo | Nov 27 2025 15:05 utc | 258

Great video by Sean Foo discusses Qwen (Open Source AI) and the financing issues the US is facing.
 
China Just Triggered U.S. Tech Panic, Unthinkable USD Disaster In 2026, Trump $21T Massive SHORT
 
If you don’t have much familiarity with this topic (finance bubble and AI), this video will provide can be a primer.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 27 2025 16:37 utc | 259

Posted by: Jules | Nov 27 2025 13:58 utc | 258
 
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Many people cannot think in more than one dimension, are incapable of spotting implications and consequences.
 
I agree  wholeheartedly with this: “If the US doesn’t cause a nuclear holocaust and AI don’t go rogue, the next 100 years will see scientific advancement at speeds unheard of in human history.”
 
I will say, AI will never go rogue. It will always have a human pulling the trigger. Hopefully, not the Zionists because they want to destroy the world.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 27 2025 16:39 utc | 260

Ahenobarbus | Nov 25 2025 16:14 utc | 18
 
In his analysis of the labor process, Marx identified the two components of capital: variable capital, which is the portion of capital that a capitalist invests in wages for the purchase of labor-power, and constant capital, which is all non-human inputs into the production process, including raw materials, machinery, tools and buildings required to produce a commodity. While constant capital transfers its value to the product, variable capital—the labor-power expended by the worker—produces surplus value (the value created by workers in production that exceeds the value paid to them as wages), from which profit is ultimately derived. The rate of profit is defined by Marx as the ratio of surplus value generated by variable capital to the total capital—variable and constant capital—deployed in the labor process.As the productive forces grow, the ratio of constant capital to variable capital increases. The result is a decline in the rate of profit. This law-governed process is the source of instability and crisis inherent in the capitalist system. However, the necessary effort of the capitalist class to counteract this decline in the rate of profit is the driving force of technological innovation aimed at increasing the efficiency of labor power in producing surplus value. The countervailing factors also include expansion of trade, the acquisition of new sources of “cheap labor” and, as we have reviewed, the increasing reliance on credit and debt to artificially increase profits, even as the underlying ratio between constant and variable capital grows increasingly unfavorable.Over the last year, Wall Street has been engaged in a frenzy of speculative investment in Artificial Intelligence and associated automation technologies. It seems to be the realization of the dream of every corporate CEO. A way of drastically lowering labor costs has been found. And, in fact, corporations, within the US and internationally, are in the process of implementing massive job cuts.Across industries from logistics to auto manufacturing to aerospace to telecom to banking, firms are implementing massive AI systems that eliminate clerical roles, customer support, coding, financial modeling and thousands of other functions that formerly provided employment.In the UK, major corporations have announced significant AI-driven layoffs. BT plans to cut up to 55,000 jobs by 2030, with approximately 10,000 positions expected to be replaced by AI and automation in customer service and network management. Aviva is eliminating 2,300 roles in insurance operations following its Direct Line acquisition. BP is cutting 6,200 jobs—15 percent of its office-based workforce—by the end of 2025, with CEO Murray Auchincloss citing AI efficiency gains as part of cost-reduction drives.The same process is sweeping through Western Europe. In Germany, Siemens has eliminated 5,600 industrial automation jobs; Lufthansa, 4,000 administrative roles; ZF Friedrichshafen faces 7,600 to 14,000 job losses tied to automation; Telefónica is cutting 6,000 to 7,000 jobs amid AI restructuring.However, whatever the short term increases in profitability that are achieved by individual corporations, the net effect of the vast displacement of human labor, the source of surplus value, is an accelerated rise in the ratio of constant to variable capital, and, therefore, a systemic decline in the rate of profit.The billionaire seeks to counteract the crisis through ever more violent processes—attacks on working conditions, the evisceration of social programs, mass deportation programs, wars, genocide. The oligarchy, cornered by its own internal contradictions, lashes out with increasing desperation. The militarization of American cities, the support for fascism, the promotion of war against Russia and China—these are not rational policy choices. They are the convulsions of a dying system.
 
That’s very clear, thanks Ginge !

Posted by: Sarlat La Canède | Nov 27 2025 17:39 utc | 261

I see so many scarry videos on yt claiming that the end is nigh. Of course “the end” of one type or another is perhaps upon us. The question is whether to run toward that light visible far down the tunnel.
What to do to prepare.
Ill suggest that niether gold nor a garden are satisfying answers.
My related confusion is why the big panic about ai? I note that both ai and crypto are power hungry.
Also the reason that the west has lost capacity to make anything is that the investment in virtual sht is hugely rewarde (unlimited return) while investment in hard capital is horribly punished. Then the goverment steps in to try to help.

Posted by: jared | Nov 29 2025 14:51 utc | 262

Why do I get the feeling that the United States is moving to a central planned economy – what brought down the Soviet Union – it couldn’t effectively deliver the consumer gods that the Soviet people wanted, so it lost the support of its citizens. Meanwhile, most Americans still believe the BS propaganda that it was the events in Afghanistan that brought down the Soviet Union.

Posted by: Ghost Ship | Dec 1 2025 3:02 utc | 263