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November 24, 2025
The Current State Of The 28-Point Plan

My assessment of the Trump’s 28-Point Ukraine Plan was not correct:

The plan as it is is dead in the water, stillborn or however you may want to characterize this collection of ill-defined, non-binding and ridiculous clauses. No one will ever accept it.

Russia’s President has somewhat accepted the plan when he said that it could “serve as a foundation for a final peace settlement”. He complained however that no U.S. contact was willing to discuss the details with Russia:

The reason, in my opinion, is the same: the US administration has so far been unable to secure consent from the Ukrainian side, as Ukraine is opposed to it. Apparently, Ukraine and its European allies continue to entertain the illusion that they can inflict a strategic defeat on Russia on the battlefield. I believe this position is not so much the result of insufficient competence – I will not go into that now – but rather stems from an absence of objective information about the actual situation on the ground.

Either Kiev’s leadership lacks objective reporting about the developments on the front, or, even if they receive such information, they are unable to assess it objectively. If Kiev refuses to discuss President Trump’s proposals and declines to engage in dialogue, then both they and their European instigators must understand that what happened in Kupyansk will inevitably occur in other key areas of the front. Perhaps not as quickly as we would prefer, but inevitably.

And overall, this development suits us, as it leads to achieving the goals of the special military operation by force, through armed confrontation. However, as I have repeatedly stated, we remain ready for peace negotiations and for resolving issues through peaceful means. However, this, of course, requires substantive and meaningful discussion of all aspects of the proposed plan. We are prepared for this.

The Europeans issued their own plan which is just a repeat of their old demand of a ceasefire without conceding any of Russia’s demand. They are obviously trying to prevent an agreement.

But they have no place at the table. They are on the menu. Trump wants them to pay for HIS peace plan and, in the end, they will do so.

The acting president of Ukraine Vladimir Zelenski knows that he can not outright reject Trump’s plan. He would be blamed for not wanting peace and U.S. support would be finished. He thus asks, prodded by the Europeans, for changes that Russia will surely reject.

My understanding is that there will soon be another meeting (or phonecall) between Zelenski and Trump.

If Trump accepts Zelenski’s changes to key points of the plan Russia will have to reject it even as a base for discussions. Trump will then be pressed to put more sanctions on Russia. The war will escalate and continue.

If Trump rejects changes to key points in the plan then Zelenski will have to reject it. Trump will end U.S. intelligence and other support for Ukraine which will lead to a faster defeat of Ukraine and the end of the war.

Russia, as Putin says, is fine with either decision.

Comments

If Trump rejects changes to key points in the plan then Zelenski will have to reject it. Trump will end U.S. intelligence and other support for Ukraine which will lead to a faster defeat of Ukraine and the end of the war.
Posted by b on November 24, 2025 at 16:21 UTC
 
Trump won’t change that. He may say so publicly in the media, but in reality he won’t. The US-UK-Z alliance will continue to function. So K won’t give up “quickly” either. He can’t, because the UK has forbidden him to do so.
The main goal for the West is to keep Odessa for the UK. This is immensely important strategically.
So there will be more long-range missiles or drones, and the war will continue to escalate overall.(BTW: gold is back on LONG on the stock markets).
 
 

Posted by: smartfox | Nov 24 2025 16:31 utc | 1

Thanks for the posting b
 
What keeps jerking my chain is that empire continues to get away with framing Trump as some sort of mediator in the conflict when, in fact, he is the face of empire forcing the conflict. 
I am sure that Russia and China do not frame the media characterization of our world like empire media of the West….this too will change….
 
The longer the negotiations take, the more Russia is insured of victory on the ground.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 24 2025 16:33 utc | 2

This 28 point plan will lead nowhere. Zelensky can’t accept it, or risk his own life, Russia certainly will not accept it as they are clearly winning the war and are asked to make too many concessions. 
   The only question is, after the whole thing falls apart, will Trump pull all support for Ukraine. For the sake of peace, let’s hope he does. 
  

Posted by: Robert Harrow | Nov 24 2025 16:33 utc | 3

Thanks for this helpful update b. Here’s more:
 
Kiev’s European Backers Respond To US Ukraine Peace Plan: LIVE UPDATES
 
https://www.rt.com/news/628109-us-backed-ukraine-peace-plan/
 
November 24, 15:53:
 
“The final number of points in the US peace proposal has not yet been agreed upon, but the talks are still centered on Washington’s original draft rather than the separate European version, an unnamed official briefed on the Geneva discussions has told the Washington Post.
 
The source said European suggestions were ‘helpful’, but added that the Americans remain focused on their initial document as the basis for further negotiations…”

Posted by: John Gilberts | Nov 24 2025 16:34 utc | 4

What about the corruption allegations against Umerov and Yermak? Do PR stunts disseminated by western MSM have a 48 hour expiration date nowadays?
All of it is so laughable that I watch in amazement, amazed at the stunts themselves, but even more amazed at the fact that so many people fall for these obvious distractions.
The Americans and Russians need to agree a new security architecture for Europe. The rest is irrelevant and/or fake.

Posted by: Neven | Nov 24 2025 16:36 utc | 5

The plan is Trump’s exit strategy. Ukraine won’t accept it, neither will the Euros, so Trump can say, “hey, we tried, but no go, so the US is done, now it’s up to the Euros, byee!”
“PS Where’s my peace prize?”

Posted by: pasha | Nov 24 2025 16:37 utc | 6

Posted by: John Gilberts | Nov 24 2025 16:34 utc | 4
 
was of 21 Nov, 2025 13:54, 3 days ago
That’s no longer relevant. You’re probably just reading old news.
 
 

Posted by: smartfox | Nov 24 2025 16:39 utc | 7

I think the 28 point plan is dead in the water, but Putin/Russia really do want some form of negotiation or at least discussion.It is only when USA talks to Russi without Nato and CIA getting between them that Trump has a chance of understanding just how much US needs to move to make any end agreement possible.

Posted by: Michael Droy | Nov 24 2025 16:40 utc | 8

Point 28 should read:  Strike word ceasefire.
 
28.  Once all parties agree to this ratified treaty, UN monitored ceasefire will take effect immediately after Kievan units retreat to west bank of the Dneipro to begin implementation of the treaty.
 
The point about pillaging Russia assets in hands of the EU is deleted!
 
Rump Kiev can be safeguarded by non EU UN peacekeepers.  Who could afford 800,000 Kievan nazis under arms?  UN receive funding for the peacekeepers from US.

Posted by: paddy | Nov 24 2025 16:44 utc | 9

Alexander Mercouris’s program of 23.11.25 had the reason why the European want to continue fighting. Link: https://rumble.com/v7255h6-us-warns-eu-kiev-lose-war-furious-eu-sabotages-peace-plan-putin-russia-pref.html?e9s=src_v1_ucp_a and the reason comes from a Russian insider that tipped Mercouris: about a major meeting of central bankers and the discussion of frozen assets in Europe. Mercouris knows the real figure but would not say it, rather said it is much larger than the 300 billion that has been reported until now. Mercouris says the true amount includes both Russian government and private funds and that Russia has already set a counter seizure of European assets in Russia of at that amount. The central bankers see this as a major problem because much of these assets are collateral. This could be the end of the Western financial system.

Posted by: meshpal | Nov 24 2025 16:47 utc | 10

Read this Reuters obfuscation….the assertion that original plan came from Russia
 
US, Kyiv work on ‘refined’ peace plan to end war in Ukraine

U.S. and Ukrainian officials sought on Monday to narrow the gaps between them over a plan to end the war in Ukraine, after agreeing to modify a U.S. proposal that Kyiv and its European allies saw as a Kremlin wish list.

 
So after this is done then what happens when negotiation with Russia starts?  Who does Putin negotiate with about Ukraine and does that person have the authority to represent Ukraine in those negotiations?……/s
 
Welcome to our civilization war but don’t talk about it like that…..keep being divided…they like you that way.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 24 2025 16:47 utc | 11

German Paper “Berliner Zeitung” says No one has moey anymore.
The high-stakes game surrounding an end to the war in Ukraine is not primarily driven by moral or geopolitical motives. In both Russia and the West, there is a growing realization that neither of the two major parties to the conflict can afford to continue the military confrontation much longer.
The West’s problems are obvious: Almost all EU member states have accumulated excessive deficits and debt. According to the International Monetary Fund (IMF), rapidly rising national debt is forcing European governments to fundamentally rethink their social welfare systems. In a recently published analysis, the IMF stated that Europe’s debt levels could explode if economic and labor market reforms are not implemented and deficits are not reduced through higher tax revenues, lower social spending, and more efficient administration.
The IMF also warned that European debt levels have now reached such a high point that even with rapid reforms, “a reassessment of the role of the state in some countries may be unavoidable.” The debt-to-GDP ratio is expected to double to an average of 130 percent by 2040. Twelve of the 27 EU member states currently have a debt-to-GDP ratio exceeding 60 percent. Several large economies, including Italy, France, and Spain, even have debt-to-GDP ratios above 100 percent.
In Germany, the urgency of the situation is evident in the current pension debate, but also in the discussion about the so-called citizen’s income: The question of “fairness,” which has been brought to the forefront of public discourse, will not arise in practice because state transfer payments cannot be sustained due to the high costs of remilitarization.
Europe’s debt trap is becoming a risk.
The Americans’ coffers are also likely to dry up soon due to external pressures.
According to Statista, US national debt increased by $2.5 trillion in 2024 compared to the previous year, reaching a total of approximately $35.8 trillion. The US national debt is projected to reach approximately $38.3 trillion by 2025. The United States has the highest national debt in the world in absolute terms. The level of national debt already exceeds the country’s economic output.
Until now, the US has been able to cushion its high debt because the dollar was the undisputed global reserve currency. This allowed the Americans to effectively export inflation to other parts of the world. Even though the dollar remains the number one currency, the situation has changed in one crucial aspect: China is no longer willing to play by the Americans’ rules.
China is the largest creditor of the US and is now putting pressure on Washington: The People’s Republic is withdrawing from US Treasury bonds. According to the Chinese financial data provider Wind, Beijing’s holdings of US Treasury bonds plummeted by 47 percent in September compared to the peak of $1.32 trillion in November 2013.

Posted by: smartfox | Nov 24 2025 16:48 utc | 12

“He can’t, because the UK has forbidden him to do so.  The main goal for the West is to keep Odessa for the UK.”
 
Posted by: smartfox | Nov 24 2025 16:31 utc | 1
 
Precisely-without liberating Odessa the SMO would be a strategic failure.

Posted by: canuk | Nov 24 2025 16:52 utc | 13

This peace plan is dead. Use of ATACMS in Voronezh and launching drones on Moscow power station (which happens only in very rare cases) is a British/EU escalation to thwart the peace plan. Yet obviously they want to have their cake and eat it too.
It’s getting really nauseating watch this kabuki BS theater. They now say Trump’s plan is good and Trump is on the drivers seat. At the same time they are screaming it’s leading to Ukraine’s surrender. At the same time they are escalating launching drones and missiles into Russia (at a higher level than on routine days).
What I think Putin is talking about is the pan-Eurasian/European security architecture with WITHDRAWING USA. Overwhelming TPTB forces are still disrupting this idea. This is a discussion that won’t happen.
Taken purely this peace plan doesn’t fix anything from Russian point of view. Not only it is weak, but most if not any of the points won’t be implemented beyond icing on the cake.
Putin is not stupid, he understands that the negotiation with USA won’t be straight forward. Maybe he even lost hope of agreeing anything. So he says the deal has some good element which could form a partial basis of a final agreement, but obviously there’s still a lot of work, lot to be added, lot to be modified. That will comes as Russia presses the advantage of collapsing Ukraine’s fronts all over Zaporozhye, Donbass and Kharkov oblast.
The final form of peace will look completely different than what you saw now.
EU is just playing the childish media/PR/blame game. And they get ignored.

Posted by: unimperator | Nov 24 2025 16:53 utc | 14

“Mercouris says the true amount includes both Russian government and private funds and that Russia has already set a counter seizure of European assets in Russia of at that amount. The central bankers see this as a major problem because much of these assets are collateral. This could be the end of the Western financial system.”
 
Posted by: meshpal | Nov 24 2025 16:47 utc | 10
 
And people wonder why the precious metals have taken off!

Posted by: canuk | Nov 24 2025 16:54 utc | 15

thanks b..  i admire your opening line acknowledging you wrong assessment! we need more humility in the world like this…
 
my simple take.. nothing changes anything here as i see it.. russia is going to have to continue on the battlefield until ukraine, usa, and the rest of them come to their senses.. that hasn’t happened yet.. 
 
 

Posted by: james | Nov 24 2025 16:55 utc | 16

@12
 
Russian Federation cannot afford to lose the SMO.

Posted by: paddy | Nov 24 2025 16:56 utc | 17

– This could be the end of the Western financial system.” 
 
yes, quote of the day, lol… i have maintained that is what this war is about – keeping the financial ponzi scheme going… it looks fragile at this point.. 

Posted by: james | Nov 24 2025 16:56 utc | 18

I don’t have the time at the moment to write more, but I can say with certainty that the 28 turds are being flushed down the toilet, although their smell will linger and might be talked about in the future.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 24 2025 17:01 utc | 19

The funny thing about this proposal (it is not really a “plan”) is that “the West” is in chaotic disarrangement, fracturing, losing. The only winner is Russia. If the West & 404 can present a valid and agreed real plan, then Putin has a problem, because then the ball is in his yard, what means, he must react to it.
But untill now, the West is totally divided and is acting like a doomed swarm of insects. Everbody in the West tries to save as much as possible for its own belongings and plans, but the underlaying groundrules don`t allow that.
Meanwhile, the meatgrinder is slowly but surely moving on and some of the western “analysts” are waking up asking: “If we don`t make peace now (because the loss of land for 404), what shall we do in one year or so, looking at a total different landscape showing a even more shrinked Ukraine! We are running out of options!”
Yes. And Putin is smiling.
I don`t know if Trump has made this “plan” out of US-internal political thinking (e.g. Midterms and so..) or if he is really thinking that this can work.  But it doen`t matter at all.

Posted by: ableman | Nov 24 2025 17:03 utc | 20

Assistant to the President of Russia Ushakov on the US plan for Ukraine: – The Russian Federation is familiar with one of the versions of the US peace plan, but there were no specific negotiations on it; – Many provisions of the US peace plan, discussed in Alaska, are acceptable to the Russian Federation, the points require detailed discussion; The Kremlin is aware of the European peace plan, its provisions are unconstructive and not suitable for the Russian Federation; – There is a lot of speculation around the peace plan for Ukraine, the Russian Federation believes only the information received directly from the United States; – The United States is likely to contact the Russian Federation in the near future to discuss the details of the peace plan in person, while there are no specific agreements; – The draft American plan for Ukraine will be subject to revision and modification by Russia, Ukraine, the United States, and Europe.

Posted by: unnamed | Nov 24 2025 17:06 utc | 21

Putins last sentence quoted above is the whole story.
 
“However, this, of course, requires substantive and meaningful discussion of all aspects of the proposed plan. We are prepared for this.”
 
No one in US or EU is remotely prepared to sit down and be substantive or meaningful. All they know is PR and flash . They simply cannot be substantive. They cannot negotiate. There is no referee. There is no one who could understand the referee’s instructions. The Marquis of Queensbury is not available to explain the concepts involved.

Posted by: oldhippie | Nov 24 2025 17:06 utc | 22

smartfox @ 7 re: 4
 
Thanks. Refreshed update: 16:32 GMT:
 
“We should be discussing how Russia will not invade again and not what Ukraine should give up because there is one victim and one aggressor in this war,’ EU foreign policy chief Kaja Kallas has said while ‘welcoming’ Trump’s peace plan at the same time…”

Posted by: John Gilberts | Nov 24 2025 17:06 utc | 23

“China is the largest creditor of the US and is now putting pressure on Washington: The People’s Republic is withdrawing from US Treasury bonds. According to the Chinese financial data provider Wind, Beijing’s holdings of US Treasury bonds plummeted by 47 percent in September compared to the peak of $1.32 trillion in November 2013.”
 
Posted by: smartfox | Nov 24 2025 16:48 utc | 12
 
China used to be the largest US creditor but not today-here are the top  US Treasury holders:  (1):
 
Japan  1, 189 Trillion
UK            865 Billion
China       700 Billion
Canada    475 Billion
Belgium    466 Billion-although I believe much of this debt is by a US Fed secret Belgium account
 
1. https://ticdata.treasury.gov/resource-center/data-chart-center/tic/Documents/slt_table5.html
 
 
 
 

Posted by: canuk | Nov 24 2025 17:08 utc | 24

No new security structure will be established with America as long as a majority of Americans still believe in a Ukrainian victory and the Democrats remain stuck in their old agenda. Only when the American mainstream media have changed course and lawmakers are forced to reorient themselves due to public pressure will there be any progress.

Posted by: smartfox | Nov 24 2025 17:11 utc | 25

The war will not end until EU has utterly lost a fullscale war against Russia+allies, and the war is going to start sometime next year. EU has given all to defeat Russia, and they can not back down now. 

Posted by: Coindto | Nov 24 2025 17:14 utc | 26

@ meshpal | Nov 24 2025 16:47 utc | 10
 
Yes, I heard him say that as well. Something very serious is causing the irrational behaviour of western ‘leaders’, and that could be it.

Posted by: Norwegian | Nov 24 2025 17:15 utc | 27

Why doesn’t Russia present its multipoint plan, with all the details worked out?  Ther are new facts on the ground so all of Russia’s previous proposals need to be updated publicly. 

Posted by: The Painter | Nov 24 2025 17:16 utc | 28

In the latest blitz of Anglo-American press leaks, Trump has authorized his chief prompter Vice President JD Vance (lead image, centre), his bagman Steven Witkoff, and Vance’s university chum Army Secretary Daniel Driscoll (right) to concede 28 of the 31 points of Russia’s June 2 term-sheet for ending the Ukraine war;   to tell the newspapers this is their “new peace plan for Ukraine”;  and demand that the Zelensky regime and their European allies “under pressure both on the battlefield and on the home front (due to a burgeoning corruption scandal), will have to accept what’s on offer.”  
https://johnhelmer.net/the-bullies-on-the-beach-are-beached-trump-covers-retreat-from-ukraine-front/
It is the russian plan, and the game of shadows is going on.
More and more I think that this is a dirty, arranged war. As is Syrya, as is Palestine. Obvious trading is going on between them.
Read the russian plaqn of 02.06.

Posted by: stranger | Nov 24 2025 17:18 utc | 29

The war will not end until EU has utterly lost a fullscale war against Russia+allies, …
Posted by: Coindto | Nov 24 2025 17:14 utc | 26
 
That is not absolutely necessary, even if the propaganda currently suggests otherwise.
There is already considerable resistance, including in the mainstream media, due to the financial implications and social cuts. It could well be that the propaganda will subside and the leaders will seek to backtrack without losing face.

Posted by: smartfox | Nov 24 2025 17:18 utc | 30

Why doesn’t Russia present its multipoint plan, with all the details worked out?

Posted by: The Painter | Nov 24 2025 17:16 utc | 28
 
Russia already did so, in December 2021. There was “radio silence” from the West in response.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 24 2025 17:24 utc | 31

Trump can’t walk away from the disaster the international consortium of 3LAs created.  This should be pretty obvious to even the slowest learner, hell, Chuck Schumer famously voiced their death threat out loud…I paraphrase; “they’ll get you”.  From the 3LAs POV, Trump needs to made the fall guy, that’s what Jake-Sullivan and Atony-Blinken were doing in the final two months of their administration.
 
The globalist 3LAs are, at their core, terrorists organizations who engage in international state-sponsored-terrorism.  The 3LAs have carte blanche as they enforce the will of the globalists using genocidal-war, murder, rape, robbery, blackmail, extortion and…Trump is not above them, he lives by their consent, that much has been clear since 1963.  As Charlie Kirk recently found out, cross Israel and the international consortium of 3LAs will murder you in some humiliating manner…all the while playing pin a tall-tale on the patsy’s ass.
 
All of this is fruit from the Slo-Mo tree..  Until the Russians start the process of killing the modern day Waffen SS of Galicia instead of the nearly endless stream ethno/cultural-Russ/Slovaks/Magyars and anti-Nazi conscripts thrown at them, the war must continue. Trump is not in a position to negotiate, until it’s fait acompli.

Posted by: S Brennan | Nov 24 2025 17:24 utc | 32

Do PR stunts disseminated by western MSM have a 48 hour expiration date nowadays?The rest is irrelevant and/or fake.
Posted by: Neven | Nov 24 2025 16:36 utc | 5
 
Yup, but it is truly worse “The rest (all of it) is irrelevant and/or fake”
 
for decades now.  It used to be years between divergent realities presented to citizens, then it became months then weeks, now days, and the majority just eat it up.
 
My conviction is the entire Uke conflict is a sideshow of death and destruction for the eventual subjugation of all free peoples liberties.  When the dust settles we will all be under strict lockdowns and forced labour or euthanasia.
 
God, I’m just breath of joy aren’t I!  Yet even I am transfixed by the theatre of killings.  Gaza is no different 

Posted by: Merv Ritchie | Nov 24 2025 17:25 utc | 33

b, 
 
Your opening sentence is why I love this place. Not many journalists are willing to put it front and center when they are wrong (for the record, I agreed with you it was dead, and was also wrong). Please keep doing what you do, and thanks for your honest reporting. It is a breath of fresh air.

Posted by: Caveman | Nov 24 2025 17:25 utc | 34

The NABU/corruption kerfuffle and the 28 point plan are coordinated actions, although from Bessent’s deleted tweet, it appears to have been leaked early by Kellogg. The question is “to what end”? 1) force Ukraine to sign deal/make territorial concessions 2) push out Zelensky for Zaluzhny 3) scapegoat Ukraine and walk away
 
I’m still trying to figure out why the Russians have stopped using the Golden Bridge tactic and are now now encircling in Kupyansk, Myrnohrad, possibly Siversk.
 
My best guess so far is that after the Azov that were exiled to Turkey and were not supposed to return did return, that now Azov is encircled and annihilated.
 
I hope this finds you well

Posted by: ockham | Nov 24 2025 17:26 utc | 35

@The Painter | Nov 24 2025 17:16 utc | 28

Why doesn’t Russia present its multipoint plan, with all the details worked out?  Ther are new facts on the ground so all of Russia’s previous proposals need to be updated publicly. 

The objectives have not changed since 2021 when documents were presented to the US and NATO.  Putin clarified things in June 2024. All is known. Just sign.

Posted by: Norwegian | Nov 24 2025 17:27 utc | 36

Posted by: Caveman | Nov 24 2025 17:25 utc | 34
 
I second that motion.

Posted by: canuk | Nov 24 2025 17:28 utc | 37

@ Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 24 2025 17:24 utc | 31

Russia already did so, in December 2021. There was “radio silence” from the West in response.

Exactly. 

Posted by: Norwegian | Nov 24 2025 17:29 utc | 38

FT: https://www.ft.com/content/883e5a47-430c-4fc2-85ee-cd6af9bb599dUS and Ukraine draft new 19-point peace plan but defer biggest decisions

No archive yet but a Ukrainian site has a copy: https://society.comments.ua/news/warrussia/ssha-i-ukraina-razrabotali-novyy-mirnyy-plan-kakie-punkty-byli-izmeneny-787979.html

Many ‘contentious’ concessions to Russia removed. U.S. accepted most Ukrainian edits.
Consequence: The war will continue. 

After difficult and hours-long negotiations in Geneva, Ukraine and the United States agreed on an updated version of the peace plan, which now contains 19 points instead of the initial 28. As First Deputy Foreign Minister of Ukraine Serhiy Kyslytsya told the Financial Times, it was in Geneva that the parties were able to cut off the most controversial proposals and develop a joint vision of further steps to end the war.

Posted by: b | Nov 24 2025 17:30 utc | 39

The ruling class doesn’t know what to do when its basic organizing principle, war with Russia, is collapsing. This principle, war with Russia, has united the West, the ruling class, in Europe for over 100 years. 
 
and the ruling class of the entire West is terrified that the game is up. Thus, in incredibly short order, another war will inevitably be manufactured.
 
and this will continue until every Donald Trump is hung by the guts of every Pope Leo (all child rapists). take every Fortune 500 board member out and shoot them. to death. take every academic and public figure who has supported war with Russia, and shoot them. to death.  all of them, incl that lion Pope, support Israel. the Pope who said, while Israel commits genocide, nations have the right to define their borders. 
 
The worst filth in human history runs the West.

Posted by: duck n cover | Nov 24 2025 17:32 utc | 40

The main goal for the West is to keep Odessa for the UK England/City of London. This is immensely important strategically”  – Smartfox 1

 
Concur.  This entire war is England/City of London’s creation, the angliphilic-dolts in DC just “think” they are running the show.

Posted by: S Brennan | Nov 24 2025 17:32 utc | 41

@ meshpal | Nov 24 2025 16:47 utc | 10
Posted by: Norwegian | Nov 24 2025 17:15 utc | 27

 
It’s pretty much what we’ve been discussing here now for months, finally — yet still slowly — reaching a tipping point, and to be honest, it’s coming sooner than I’d ever expected.  But that’s the thing with “first slowly, then suddenly”.  The EU is out of money, and Germany’s much quicker than anticipated deindustrialization (read: much less corporate and individual tax income) (methinks even Putin is surprised) has been silently accelerating the fact.  Desperation in The City, Berlin and Brussels is so big now, Italy (!) achieved its first upgrade from Moody’s Ratings in more than 23 years, with its credit score lifted by one notch to Baa2 and a stable outlook.
 
Add to that, one of Germany’s leading macro economists, Prof. Bernd Raffelhüschen, openly opined Germany is bankrupt just a few days back; with only the ECB remaining to buy German debt and holding the shaky house of cards in place — and the ECB relying on international trust.
 
Add to that, looming pension crisis, the ongoing energy crisis, the raw materials crisis, looming individual debt crisis — in short: crises everywhere! So the perfect storm is brewing, as hailed by headlines like “The Warning Signal That Preceded Every Crash Since 1929 Just Flashed Again” (linked by B yesterday).

Posted by: Nervous German | Nov 24 2025 17:34 utc | 42

The “peace plan” is the best thing to happen to Zelenskii in a long time.
Suddenly just like that, everyone stopped talking about his corruption. 
Anyway,  he’s doing what I’d do under the circumstances- stall for time, make demands that Russia cannot accept, then whine that Russia doesn’t want to negotiate. 

Posted by: Feral Finster | Nov 24 2025 17:34 utc | 43

“Russia already did so, in December 2021. There was “radio silence” from the West in response.
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 24 2025 17:24 utc | 31
 
I understand, but the facts have changed greatly. Therefore, Russia’s requirements should be updated also based on the current situation. 

Posted by: The Painter | Nov 24 2025 17:35 utc | 44

  • Russian strikes destroyed targets in the Sumy, Kharkiv, Dnipropetrovsk, Zaporizhzhia, Odesa, Chernihiv regions;
  • The Russian army struck several targets in Kharkiv region including a substation;
  • The Russian army struck the Izmail port facilities in Odessa region;
  • The Russian army struck an energy facility in Slavutych, Kyiv region;
  • The Russian offensive continues in the Seversk, Pokrovsk, Kupyansk, Dnipropetrovsk, and Zaporizhzhia directions;
  • Russian forces took control of Ivanopolye;
  • Russian forces took control of Petrovskoye;
  • Russian forces advanced in the Pokrovsk direction;
  • Russian forces advanced in the Orekhovo direction;
  • Ukrainian losses amounted to approximately 1,625 troops over the past 24 hours.

https://southfront.press/military-situation-in-ukraine-on-november-24-2025-maps-update/

Posted by: smartfox | Nov 24 2025 17:35 utc | 45

@b | Nov 24 2025 17:30 utc | 39
The FT link doesn’t work, I believe this one does but the article is paywalled
 
https://www.ft.com/content/883e5a47-430c-4fc2-85ee-cd6af9bb599d
 

Posted by: Norwegian | Nov 24 2025 17:37 utc | 46

Alexander Mercouris: ‘US Flips on Ukraine’
 
https://www.youtube.com/@AlexMercouris/videos
 
“US flips rewrites peace plan according to EU/Kiev demands; Kiev Mirmograd disaster Siversk Stepnogorsk.”

Posted by: John Gilberts | Nov 24 2025 17:38 utc | 47

Posted by: The Painter | Nov 24 2025 17:35 utc | 44
 
Russia does not engage in megaphone diplomacy

Posted by: smartfox | Nov 24 2025 17:40 utc | 48

“The objectives have not changed since 2021 when documents were presented to the US and NATO.  Putin clarified things in June 2024. All is known. Just sign.
Posted by: Norwegian | Nov 24 2025 17:27 utc | 36
 
That was over a year ago, new developments have occurred, and Russia keeps gaining new ground. The readers here might know what Russia wants but the world public is clueless. By presenting a multipoint plan , like the US just did, would clarify things for all. For instance, “de-Nazification” is too vacuous and ill defined. 

Posted by: The Painter | Nov 24 2025 17:40 utc | 49

Consequence: The war will continue.
Posted by: b | Nov 24 2025 17:30 utc | 39

 
Which vindicates your original take 🙂

Posted by: Nervous German | Nov 24 2025 17:42 utc | 50

“Russia does not engage in megaphone diplomacy
Posted by: smartfox | Nov 24 2025 17:40 utc | 48
 
Russia also has a very poor understanding of modern messaging and public relations it seems. The US is very good at this. 

Posted by: The Painter | Nov 24 2025 17:44 utc | 51

well 
we 
always 
thought 
it was a bridge 2 fars
 
the city of london plan is the best plan 
since waterloo the roth rotten shields have known what is best for the golem goyim.
 
why change now a clean empty slate is needed in ukrainia for a new old home for the khazharian ask a nazi init
 

Posted by: normal wisdom | Nov 24 2025 17:45 utc | 52

Russia, as Putin says, is fine with either decision.

Posted by b on November 24, 2025 at 16:21 UTC | Permalink
 
Are they? At least one poster has been proclaiming the End of Putin if Russia agrees to the unaltered terms. The Europeans are insisting that they have made major alterations to the “document originally written in Russian.” But they would say that, wouldn’t they?
 
President Trump is quite aware that the Ukrainians aren’t going to get a better deal than this one, and that even a week of delay might incentive the Russians to reject it. Zelensky already spent the weekend insisting that they had to support the Trump plan: and the Europeans have no resources to keep Ukraine afloat if America pulls out.
 
Ultimately the EU needs to be most worried that the United States has already prepared to sign a separate deal with Russia if this one falls through. The Europeans are convinced that they can stir up “chaos,” but besides being inept the Russians and Americans have likely been working on this for months. This is a huge problem for the Russian Foreign Ministry, which has been repeatedly saying there was no movement since Anchorage. It means they were frozen out of the serious work.

Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Nov 24 2025 17:47 utc | 54

Trump and associates took control of the green grub using NABU. The Brits still have the Zionists to use against Trump and Co. I think the Epstein files play a big part in this. Perhaps the Brits will defeat the American Nationalists.
 
I will wait until the next Putin Trump meeting.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 24 2025 17:47 utc | 55

Russia also has a very poor understanding of modern messaging and public relations it seems. The US is very good at this. 
Posted by: The Painter | Nov 24 2025 17:44 utc | 51
 
The “world public” only takes note of what the respective mainstream media outlets report, i.e., their distortions. Therefore, there is no need to repeat what has already been said. Those concerned have understood, even if they don’t admit it publicly.

Posted by: smartfox | Nov 24 2025 17:51 utc | 56

At what point will the Euro Leadership realize the Ukrainian Civil War is really an attack on Europe by the Washington War Party ? 
At what point will the War Party concede Moscow’s key demand, made in Dec 2021, to rollback NATO membership to pre-1996 lines ? 

Posted by: exile | Nov 24 2025 17:51 utc | 57

In my opinion Putin is counting on Ukraine rejecting it, because hes agreed to cede unconquered parts of kherson and zaporizhia.  Which is apparently illegal in Russia. 
So I guess well know more if Zelensky meets Trump. If Zelensky signs then all bets are off.  Will the nationalist elements allow it, will Russia accept Zelensky as legitimate?  No way to know for now.

Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Nov 24 2025 17:53 utc | 58

Posted by: Nervous German | Nov 24 2025 17:34 utc | 42


Talking about bankrupt Germany, just a few days ago there were news that 99% of municipalities/towns/cities in Germany are bankrupt.

Posted by: unimperator | Nov 24 2025 17:53 utc | 59

China used to be the largest US creditor but not today-here are the top US Treasury holders:
 
Posted by: canuk | Nov 24 2025 17:08 utc | 24
 

 
The FED’s reporting of TIC data was found to be in error as they themselves reported in their note of October 15, 2025 “The Cross-Border Trail of the Treasury Basis Trade
 

This note examines the magnitude and implications of potential underreporting of U.S. Treasuries owned by Cayman-domiciled hedge funds in the TIC data, which are the primary source of cross-border securities and banking data in the U.S. By combining various data sources, we find that hedge fund basis trade positions are dominated by hedge funds domiciled in the Cayman Islands, and that this activity is not well captured by the TIC data. As a result, the TIC data appear to severely undercount Cayman-domiciled hedge funds’ holdings of U.S. Treasuries by around $1.4 trillion as of the end of 2024, presenting a major impediment for researchers, policy makers, and other data users seeking to analyze cross-border flows and their effects on the U.S. economy and financial markets.
 
https://www.federalreserve.gov/econres/notes/feds-notes/the-cross-border-trail-of-the-treasury-basis-trade-20251015.html

 
So there you have it from the FED themselves.  The largest holder of US Treasuries is offshore banks in the Cayman Islands. 
 
Pray that the Cayman Island basis trade doesn’t unwind.
 

Posted by: too scents | Nov 24 2025 17:59 utc | 60

offshore banks in the Cayman Islands. 
 
Posted by: too scents | Nov 24 2025 17:59 utc | 60
 

 
That should read offshore “shadow” banks.  Non Depository Financial Institutions.
 
 

Posted by: too scents | Nov 24 2025 18:04 utc | 61

Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 24 2025 16:33 utc | 2
 
RE:   The longer the negotiations take, the more Russia is insured of victory on the ground.
 
<<
 
#Buy
 
The negotiations mirror Russia’s attritional strategy on the battlefield.  The more slowly the deliberations & diplomacy spin forward, the more the facade elements of the war—unprovoked brutal aggression(TM)—get spun thinner & thinner. 
 
The raison d’etre for the war (root causes) gets reduced to an elemental & clarifying level.  It’s as if the warfare itself, twinned w/ the slo-mo diplomacy, has been a way to balance the chemical equation to its most fundamental essence.
 

Posted by: steel_porcupine | Nov 24 2025 18:07 utc | 62

So there you have it from the FED themselves. The largest holder of US Treasuries is offshore banks in the Cayman Islands. 
 
 
 
Posted by: too scents | Nov 24 2025 17:59 utc | 60
 
Yeesh. Just because hedge funds (mostly American) have offshore accounts doesn’t actually make the Caymans a major foreign holder of American debt. I wouldn’t be surprised if some of it was Chinese, but not much.

Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Nov 24 2025 18:07 utc | 63

Plan Trumpa jest całkowicie martwy. I nie ma co tutaj bić piane 

Posted by: Krzysztof Mróź | Nov 24 2025 18:08 utc | 64

We just need an armistice for a decade. The rest will play out as it must.

Posted by: Newbie | Nov 24 2025 18:11 utc | 65

Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Nov 24 2025 17:47 utc | 54
 
RE:   Ultimately the EU needs to be most worried that the United States has already prepared to sign a separate deal with Russia if this one falls through.
 
<<
 
Would love to see the U.S. strike a separate peace w/ Russia.  DJT would in effect be saying to the European warmongers, “I’m no longer supporting our proxy.  If you wish to, go ahead.”
 
They will flail along in defiance but ultimately have to concede.
 
Such a scenario places Europe’s collective backs against the wall in the direst of ways:  it would be as if DJT had joined team Russia.   We know how seismically that would jolt the continent.
 
 

Posted by: steel_porcupine | Nov 24 2025 18:18 utc | 66

Pyongyang’s missile revolution: The most dangerous program you’re not paying attention to
 
From solid-fuel ICBMs to hypersonic glide vehicles, North Korea now fields an arsenal that can reach any point in the continental United States

Posted by: smartfox | Nov 24 2025 18:18 utc | 67

“So there you have it from the FED themselves.  The largest holder of US Treasuries is offshore banks in the Cayman Islands.  Pray that the Cayman Island basis trade doesn’t unwind.” 
Posted by: too scents | Nov 24 2025 17:59 utc | 60
 
No, it doesn’t work like that.
 
For example if you own stock most of us have it in ‘street name’ ie the Brokerage house holds it in trust for you.  Same with bonds.
 
So the Caymans will have thousands of accounts mostly private accounts of Westerners for tax reasons but it is not the Caymans themselves or a Fed account they are holding them in trust for the holders-wouldn’t surprise me is the Green T-Shirt and his Nazi buddies are part of that $1,3 trillion
 
Belgium is where the US Fed has its sneak account.

Posted by: canuk | Nov 24 2025 18:19 utc | 68

No, it doesn’t work like that.
 
Posted by: canuk | Nov 24 2025 18:19 utc | 68
 

 
Why don’t you read the FED note?
 

Posted by: too scents | Nov 24 2025 18:20 utc | 69

canuk | Nov 24 2025 18:19 utc | 68
 
Traditionally used by Ukraine Cyprus

Posted by: smartfox | Nov 24 2025 18:24 utc | 70

As an American, I can’t pretend to understand the average European mind. I don’t have a finger on the pulse of the European Zeitgeist. 
 
Even so, I can’t fathom Europe going to war with Russia unless the Euro-Elites can trick their people into dying for Elite power/wealth.   
What must the Euro-Elite do in order to inflame a hatred/fear so intense for Russia that Europe’s citizens would be willing to die in a war against Russia?   

Posted by: Fredrick | Nov 24 2025 18:25 utc | 71

I think b’s first assessment was correct and this peace plan is stillborn.
It’s all theatrics where Trump tries to shake the EU for what’s left inside it’s pockets (Euroclear for example) and Russia playing along because, in front of the actual representative international community and Russia’s allies, it can’t be seen as uncompromising.
 
Spoiler alert on the ending of this story:
Russia’s terms for ending the special operation which also lie at the start of it will not be acknowledged
the US empire will keep providing SIGINT and target designation deep inside Russian territory
the results will be decided on the battlefield

Posted by: xor | Nov 24 2025 18:25 utc | 72

Posted by: Fredrick | Nov 24 2025 18:25 utc | 71
 
same as Hitler = Propaganda and power

Posted by: smartfox | Nov 24 2025 18:27 utc | 73

No, it doesn’t work like that. Posted by: canuk | Nov 24 2025 18:19 utc | 68 — Why don’t you read the FED note? 
Posted by: too scents | Nov 24 2025 18:20 utc | 69
 
The Central bank of the Caymans holds the 1.3 trillion US Treasury bonds in Trust for thousands of accounts-the Caymans central bank itself is not that large.
 
But I can see where you got confused.

Posted by: canuk | Nov 24 2025 18:30 utc | 74

The US has a third way : to continue pushing Zelensky in the bin with its corruption, then there will be no more dilemma between the Zelensky wishlist rejected by Putin and the Putin wishlist rejected by Zelensky.
There is no other practical solution to that old dilemma. That’s why several months ago I predicted that the US will replace Zelensky by someone else (my guess is Budanov) in order to make peace possible.

Posted by: Parisian Guy | Nov 24 2025 18:32 utc | 75

Ukraine war is the end of the American Empire. Thank you dementia Biden. Welcome to new Asia century

Posted by: Friul | Nov 24 2025 18:34 utc | 76

“It’s all theatrics where Trump tries to shake the EU for what’s left inside it’s pockets (Euroclear for example) and Russia playing along because, in front of the actual representative international community and Russia’s allies, it can’t be seen as uncompromising.”
 
Posted by: xor | Nov 24 2025 18:25 utc | 72
 
I think Trump wants the Euros to raid the Russian frozen funds-cause when that happens no investor will want to put money in Europe so they go to the less dirty shirt-the US where  Donny will be trying to get those funds in the US.

Posted by: canuk | Nov 24 2025 18:35 utc | 77

The Central bank of the Caymans holds the 1.3 trillion US Treasury bonds
 
Posted by: canuk | Nov 24 2025 18:30 utc | 74
 

 
If the holdings were in the Central Bank then they would show up in in the TIC data.
 
That the Cayman holdings weren’t in the TIC because they are held by “shadow banks” with loose reporting requirements.
 
Lack of transparency is a major feature driving this trade.
 

Posted by: too scents | Nov 24 2025 18:36 utc | 78

Mark Sleboda and Jamarl Thomas – peace plan explained and why it’s unacceptable to Russia.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLslhe0Z3SE

Posted by: unimperator | Nov 24 2025 18:37 utc | 79

The best place to keep untaxed income, and keep it that way, is still in a Belgian bank account, according to the Court of Auditors in a new report.
 
 
Belgium is where many tax dodgers go: (1)
“The Court of Auditors (CoA) is the official agency charged with auditing the government’s finances, and its latest report concerns what are known as ‘fiscal regularisations’ – a sort of amnesty by which anyone with undeclared income can bring it out into the open, on payment of back taxes and a penalty.
 
The report points out that despite several rounds of regularisations, there is still an estimated €40 billion of untaxed income resting in Belgian bank accounts.
 
And despite calls from international agencies for banks to be more open to reporting untaxed capital, Belgium is still one of the worst offenders for its own citizens, the CoA said
 
“Due to Belgian fiscal banking secrecy, these funds remain out of sight of the tax authorities and the public prosecutors,” the Court writes.
 
“That is why the Court of Auditors recommends an adjustment of the regularisation and money laundering legislation so that the focus shifts to the black money in Belgian bank accounts.”
 
1. https://www.brusselstimes.com/160778/belgian-banks-still-best-place-tax-dodgers-stash-cash-bank-account-court-auditors-fiscal-banking-secrecy-fraud-van-peteghem
 
 
 

Posted by: canuk | Nov 24 2025 18:39 utc | 80

I’m sure I posted this here earlier. 
any problem b?
 
There is no alternative (Tina) for the natzios.
 
While The Donald tries with memes and threatens the Caribbean with a Pirate fleet of distraction for the media consumers.
 
 
 
Here Kiril Dimitriv explains with a simple line drawing what the crying Collective Whaa Whaa Wasters refuse to acknowledge – the Death of their thousand year dream! Again.
 
 
Kirill Dmitriev@kadmitriev
17h
Reality vs. fantasy
 
@RapidResponse47
20h
“President Trump approaches this as a realist: you take the world as it is, not how you want it to be,” says @SenEricSchmitt on the war in Ukraine. “People that are critical… live in this fantasy world [where] another round of sanctions or another round of weapons or another round of cash is going to solve the problem — and it won’t.”
 
Kirill Dmitriev@kadmitriev
Nov 23
 
Nov 23, 2025 · 11:40 PM UTC

Posted by: DunGroanin | Nov 24 2025 18:40 utc | 81

Posted by: b | Nov 24 2025 17:30 utc | 39
 
RE:  b has linked the new 19-Point Plan:  https://society.comments.ua/news/warrussia/ssha-i-ukraina-razrabotali-novyy-mirnyy-plan-kakie-punkty-byli-izmeneny-787979.html
 
<<
 
From the linked article:  “It is Russia’s reaction to this new 19-Point Plan that will determine the future of the peace process.”
 
Plenty of sturm und drang and dust & fog, but we’re scissored once more into that familiar place—facing an unworkable plan which so fails the mark Russia can’t begin serious-mindedly to consider it.
 
It’s a predictable parlor trick that recurs every couple of months:  the U.S./EU/Ukraine agree on a plan that does not address matters to Russia’s most minimal satisfaction.
 
The battlefield defeat is not grave enough yet to force the U.S./EU/Ukraine to concede, so Russia’s best diplomacy is through the barrel of a gun.

Posted by: steel_porcupine | Nov 24 2025 18:41 utc | 82

The best place to keep untaxed income …
 
Posted by: canuk | Nov 24 2025 18:39 utc | 80
 

 
Pal, I helped private bankers hide taxable income for half of my career.  I have first hand experience in how the sausage is made.  Belgium?  LOL!
 

Posted by: too scents | Nov 24 2025 18:43 utc | 83

99% of municipalities/towns/cities in Germany are bankrupt.
Posted by: unimperator | Nov 24 2025 17:53 utc | 59

 
True!  Even Munich, always a rich city in the 20th century, is whining about mounting debt.  The city-state of Berlin, on the other hand, always was debt king, feeding off more wealthy states like Bavaria (capital Munich) and Baden-Württemberg (Stuttgart).
 
Yes yes, once thought unshakably solid mechanisms like the Länderfinanzausgleich (federal state budgetary compensation) are at stake.  Zeitenwende indeed!

Posted by: Nervous German | Nov 24 2025 18:44 utc | 84

That’s a lot of nothing. Vague generalities. Meanwhile…
 
Colonelcassad
 
 
In the evening, we receive quite optimistic reports from three cities at once.
 
1. In Dimitrov, our troops advanced both on the western and eastern outskirts of the pocket with an obvious desire to cut the encircled grouping into two parts (all according to the classics). Along the way, the pocket south of Dimitrov is being cleared.
 
2. In Gulyaipole, fighting continues on the outskirts of the city. The RF Armed Forces are increasing pressure. More than 30 kilometers of territory were liberated during the day. The assault on Gulyai-Pole began even earlier than expected. North of Gulyai-Pole, the enemy continues to roll back beyond the Gaichur River.
 
3. In Seversk, the forces of the 3rd Army entered the northern part of the city and are fighting in urban areas. Also, our assault groups are fighting in the southeastern and southern parts of the city. The history of the Seversky salient is close to completion. After the liberation of Seversk, the ledge will disappear from the reports. Our troops also cut the road to Seversk west of Zakotnoye.
 

12:21

Posted by: Saint Jimmy | Nov 24 2025 18:45 utc | 85

I think Trump wants the Euros to raid the Russian frozen funds-cause when that happens no investor will want to put money in Europe so they go to the less dirty shirt-the US where Donny will be trying to get those funds in the US.
 
Posted by: canuk | Nov 24 2025 18:35 utc | 77
 
Plus Europe depends on debt financing to do absolutely anything. If no one is buying Euro debt but the United States, you can bet they’ll be forced to make very significant concessions. And if the Euros refuse to pay down the debt they already have, governments start falling. 
 
The US could easily fall into this trap too, but less likely than Europe. Anyways, this is what is actually happening:
 
https://www.rt.com/business/628322-rheinmetall-shares-fall-ukraine-peace/

Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Nov 24 2025 18:47 utc | 86

Great reading the comments but don’t have any illusions that the USA or European elites have any good intentions. Everything is stage managed by the US. Europe has zero influence and the sleazy little fwits always do what daddy says.
The western elites know they are not “winning” the war but they don’t care. They will continue to put as much pressure on Russia as possible while pivoting to China. They are just trying to manage whatever resources they have. They will continue to attack Russia/ China with whatever they have. 
Until someone kicks them in the bollocks so hard they develop a decorum of respect for other inhabitants of the planet.

Posted by: Andrew | Nov 24 2025 18:48 utc | 87

More than 30 kilometers of territory were liberated during the day.
Posted by: Saint Jimmy | Nov 24 2025 18:45 utc | 84
 

Speaking of “first slowly, then suddenly”!  💪🏻 🚀
 

Posted by: Nervous German | Nov 24 2025 18:50 utc | 88

The ‘plan’ is all about trying to force Russia into a peace deal that would stop Russia from winning on the battlefield.

Posted by: Barofsky | Nov 24 2025 18:50 utc | 89

Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Nov 24 2025 18:47 utc | 85
 
https://stock3.com/aktien/rheinmetall-121338

Posted by: smartfox | Nov 24 2025 18:52 utc | 90

The most recent Nima with PRC is the definitive analysis on the peace proposal, I don’t agree with Roberts on everything but I always learn something from him, he reveals what every other analyst missed, key is that all those seemingly unworkable points, like the excessive size of  a future AFU, are exactly structured to be tossed away, they are an invite to Russia not an affront. Must watch, PRC comes in about half way through: 
 
Larry C. Johnson & Paul Craig Roberts: MTG Quits, Trump Loses Putin’s Ear, & Israel Escalates Again
 
I ignored this latest proposal reflexively, peace plans and cease fires on this scale of warfare aren’t done by politicians and foreign ministers but by commanding generals, there’s no sign of that here, but who knows what’s really happening behind the scenes. If Roberts is right, and he convinced me he is, then Trump is very serious, his team finally got down to real diplomatic business. Roberts is pretty cool, if not wicked, in saying both options, Russia working through the plan on a peace deal or rejecting it and proceeding to fully destroy Ukraine, are both good outcomes for humanity. 
 
Seems Trump just brought everything to a historic crux, working through this plan Russia would give up Kharkiv, Nikolaev and Odessa, if not forever then until WW3 gets up to full swing, as unlike Roberts I think this is just strategic re-sequencing not an attempt a stability in Europe, without those cities there stability for Russia is impossible, those cities not being in Russian hands have been revealed as an existential threat to Russia, unless everyone in charge there loses their mind, they will be returned. Kiev is also existential but could be traded depending on circumstances, Russia controlling Kiev means a rump Ukraine disintegrates into Polish, Romanian and Hungarian parts, out of Russia’s hands means a rump Ukraine will always be a NATO dagger pointed at Russia.
 
I don’t see Russia abandoning strategically existential cities, so if Roberts has it right and this proposal is as pivotal as it seems, we will see Ukraine get annihilated. 

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Nov 24 2025 18:56 utc | 91

steel_porcupine | Nov 24 2025 18:41 utc | 81
 
Printed in the Ukraine media. Ukraine media is best taken with a hefty dose of Epsom salts.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 24 2025 18:57 utc | 92

Barofsky | Nov 24 2025 18:50 utc | 88
I don’t think so. It looks more like Trump is trying to implement his repeatedly stated intentions without too much resistance from the Democrats.
After all, he repeatedly tells the EU to “do it yourself,” now says the same thing about AI, and then says “let it be decided on the battlefield” (which suits Russia. (With that, Trump has neatly removed himself and the US from the whole thing.)

Posted by: smartfox | Nov 24 2025 18:58 utc | 93

Until someone kicks them in the bollocks so hard they develop a decorum of respect for other inhabitants of the planet.
Posted by: Andrew | Nov 24 2025 18:48 utc | 86

 
It’s always about their own, not even 1% of the population.  It’s not that they even remotely cared about their average Joe & Jane at home, who are too busy making ends meet, unable to take to the streets.  Ukraine and Israel competing for number one national priority of sinking ginormous amounts of taxpayer money—that’s all you need to know about the rotten, corrupt state of the West.

Posted by: Nervous German | Nov 24 2025 19:00 utc | 94

 

Putin warned several years ago, “It will cost you an arm and a leg.” It seems we’re close to that point.

Trump is a finance man, and it seems he has finally grasped that.

Posted by: smartfox | Nov 24 2025 19:04 utc | 95

new 19-point peace plan but defer biggest decisions
 
Posted by: b | Nov 24 2025 17:30 utc | 39
 

 
Jeeze!  What is the half-life of these plans?  Turn the crank and a new one pops out like a jack-in-the-box.
 

Posted by: too scents | Nov 24 2025 19:06 utc | 96

“The truth of the matter is, and a lot of people won’t say it, is that the Ukrainians have been losing for a long time. They’ve lost at least 20 percent of their territory.  They have a manpower problem.  They have a munitions problem,” Republican senator Eric Schmitt on Fox News’s Sunday Talk Show. 
 
He said, “The Washington consensus has been wrong about this for so long.  The Ukrainians have been valiant here and very courageous in defending their country.  But I think, you know, the situation on the ground now is one that this is ripe for striking a peace.  There really isn’t an alternative here.  Continuing the war and losing more territory does not present an ‘up’ side for Ukraine.”
 
the Ukrainians have been losing for a long time…
 
As  refreshing as it is to hear a member of Congress lay it out there, Schmitt’s candor reflects the desperation-o-meter readings in the Beltway.

Posted by: steel_porcupine | Nov 24 2025 19:08 utc | 97

Re: Bank Secrecy ?
 
I thought Nevada and (one of) the Dakotas were the jurisdictions with the absolute best bank secrecy rules worldwide 

Posted by: exile | Nov 24 2025 19:10 utc | 98

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 24 2025 18:57 utc | 91
 
RE:    Printed in the Ukraine media. Ukraine media is best taken with a hefty dose of Epsom salts.
 
<<
 
Absolutely.
 
But note that the Ukraine media article reiterates the FT text as well.
 
Epsom Salts + smelling salts, perhaps-?
 
We know it is contraindicated to trust the peach-colored paper any more than we can trust a Ukrainian source.  Since trust is off the table, we can note how they’re shaping the narrative in echelon.
 

Posted by: steel_porcupine | Nov 24 2025 19:15 utc | 99

Prof. Bernd Raffelhüschen, openly opined Germany is bankrupt just a few days back;
Posted by: Nervous German | Nov 24 2025 17:34 utc | 42

This is just to promote what will undoubtedly be unpopular pension reform. (I still fail to see how SPD wasn’t tasked with that on previous term.)

Posted by: jekleni | Nov 24 2025 19:16 utc | 100

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