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October 19, 2025
Ukraine Open Thread 2025-243

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Fred Fleitz’s name always accompanied Gen Kellogg’s in April 2024, attached to the alleged DJT Peace Plan for Ukraine.  Fleitz & Gen Kellogg released the Plan and touted it before DJT had even won the nomination to be the presidential candidate in 2024, let alone stood for re-election in November of that year.
 
In fact, at the time Fleitz & Gen Kellogg began promoting the Plan, chatteratti doubted the actual veracity of what they were peddling, because at that point DJT was saying on the campaign trail that he intended to end the war within 24 hours—and what Fleitz & Gen Kellogg were serving up looked suspiciously like a frozen conflict a la the Korean War.  I know it might strain the memory, not to mention the credulity, but in April 2024 the chatteratti more or less firmly believed that DJT would actually wash his hands of Autopen Robinette’s war and simply walk away.
 
A gratuitous aside: what Gen Kellogg ultimately presented solo in June 2025 as his Twelve Point Plan was in fact the selfsame Fleitz/Kellogg Plan from April 2024, scarcely retooled or dusted off.  LOC realities shifted dramatically for the AFU from April 2024 through June 2025: Russia’s momentum was steady & relentless.  It struck me as strange that Gen Kellogg would present a retread Peace Plan from early 2024 that no longer had any relevance once the militaristic balance had swung so consistently & confidently in Russia’s favor.
 
The fact is this: Gen Kellogg’s Twelve Point Plan had no more relevance or reality in June 2025 than the Plan he and Fleitz attributed to DJT earlier had: both were marketing tools, meant to feed perceptions, propagandistic in nature.
 
So okay, Fleitz has resurfaced w/ an op-ed for American Greatness (online) in which he argues against the “drastic” measure of supplying Tomahawks to Ukraine. (Note:  this op-ed appeared just before DJT’s working luncheon w/ Volodymyr.) Fleitz advocates for the value of engaged diplomacy, like ongoing talks at the Sec Rubio and Minister Lavrov level to prepare the ground for a potential summit between DJT and VVP in Budapest, rather than sending Tomahawks, which in his estimation would “hugely escalate the war.”
 
Fleitz broke w/ Gen Kellogg-?
 
Or is this simply an elaborate Good Cop/Bad Cop routine-? We all noticed that Gen Kellogg was not @ the White House’s table during Volodymyr’s working lunch. Can some clever individual behind the scenes, like Danang Dick Blumenthal, be solving a Rubik’s Cube while simultaneously playing Go and 5-D chess, in an effort to insert Fleitz into the place Gen Kellogg once occupied, as the neocon’s choice de jour for Ukraine’s Special Envoy-?
 
Whipping out my Magic 8-Ball, I find this: Better not tell you now.

Posted by: steel_porcupine | Oct 19 2025 13:59 utc | 1

Posted by: steel_porcupine | Oct 19 2025 13:59 utc | 1
 
Superb  analysis, thanks.

Posted by: canuk | Oct 19 2025 14:15 utc | 2

Ukraine and World Affairs: Weekly Update, 17th October 2025: May be Useful to Some:  Ukraine and World Affairs: Weekly Update

Posted by: The Busker | Oct 19 2025 14:48 utc | 3

Hoping to tap the energy of DJT’s working lunch w/ Volodymyr on 17 October, the nytimes Editorial Board went head-over-pompons rah-rah for Tomahawks in Ukraine, even envisaging a cluster salvo of the 18 meter-long missiles fired in echelon to take down the Kerch Bridge.
 
The buoyant warmongering had a viability as short as mayonnaise salads at a Texas picnic in mid-July.  By the time the Editorial Board had published its piece on the Opinion pages, DJT was already nixing the Tomahawks for Ukraine and was on the precipice of what would be termed a “difficult” luncheon w/ Volodymyr behind closed doors, per Axios and CNN.
 
Though the irrational exuberance of the Editorial Board was short-lived, it is instructive to see where they thought the fulcrum of power would rest. Here’s a taste:

  • If Mr. Putin thought that Alaska provided an opening to further divide the U.S. from its European allies, he miscalculated. In response to the incursions, and perhaps thanks to the lack of diplomatic progress, Mr. Trump has expressed growing frustration. He said last month that Mr. Putin “has really let me down.” Mr. Trump also said that NATO planes should shoot down Russian aircraft that enter allied airspace and raised the possibility of new forms of support for Ukraine.
  • Already, he has authorized more intelligence sharing with Kyiv to heighten the effectiveness of its attacks, including those on Russian oil and gas facilities. Another option involves allowing Ukraine to get Tomahawk missiles. The missiles have a 1,000-mile range, and Ukraine could use them to strike deeper inside Russia.
  • Mr. Trump’s history of impulsiveness and his long record of coziness with Mr. Putin offer reasons to remain skeptical that this new posture will be a lasting one. On Thursday, the two leaders spent more than two hours on the phone together, and Mr. Trump described the conversation as “very productive.” They plan to follow up by meeting in Budapest soon.
  • That meeting will be an opportunity to draw a firm line. Russia’s recent aggression toward NATO shows that Russia’s war in Ukraine is about much more than Ukraine. It is about Mr. Putin’s revanchist ambitions in Europe. The only way to contain him is with resolute strength.

That resolute strength is as toxic by now as a bowl of macaroni salad that has grown a Petri dish’s worth of e coli in the Texas sun.
 
Resolute strength(TM) is all the nytimes Editorial Board can cling to.
 
The Tomahawk of Damocles had hung over DJT’s head for several weeks, just as the bone-crushing sanctions had prior to the Alaska summit: proposing a summit in Budapest is not “an opportunity to draw a firm line” w/ VVP, as the nytimes puts it, but a way for DJT to step out from under the Tomahawk figuratively suspended above him.  U.S. neocons and NATO warmongers had hung the Tomahawks over DJT in an effort to goad him into climbing the escalatory ladder against Russia in Project Ukraine.  (Lindsey Graham often reminds DJT that he has at least 80 votes in the senate.) 
 
Although the nytimes’s opinion piece putrefied so quickly on 17 October that it was ready for the dustbin of history by 3pm, the editorialists did deliver one choice nutritive mouthful: Russia’s war in Ukraine is about much more than Ukraine.

Posted by: steel_porcupine | Oct 19 2025 14:50 utc | 4

@”a frozen conflict a la the Korean War.”

To achieve this the US is repeating its madman strategy:
“he had sent a message to Nehru in 1953, warning that we would use nuclear weapons against China if the Korean War continued, and that he believed this warning played a decisive part in terminating the Korean War.”
https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu/nukevault/ebb517-Nixon-Kissinger-and-the-Madman-Strategy-during-Vietnam-War/

Posted by: p3t3r | Oct 19 2025 14:52 utc | 5

NYT “Already, he [Trump] has authorized more intelligence sharing with Kyiv to heighten the effectiveness of its attacks, including those on Russian oil and gas facilities.”  Makes me wonder, what is ‘more’ intelligence sharing?  Were the agencies sharing, say 70% of their intelligence before, and are now sharing 85%?  Like many of the claims in this article, it goes into the anal extraction category.  The Slimes has certainly mastered the art of sounding scholarly and analytical, while saying total bollox.

Posted by: Mike R | Oct 19 2025 15:15 utc | 6

Posted by: Jo | Oct 19 2025 12:55 utc | 604
 
Agree.  The Russians want to keep the conflict local.  My belief is that they’ll succeed in that.  NATO forces, even including US forces, are toothless in the Ukrainian theatre and the Russians have no desire to take Paris or Berlin this time round. Though I’m picking up that some of them are getting irritated by the slow speed of the war and the more hot-headed wouldn’t mind that as an encore.
 
Those Russian hot- heads haven’t grasped what Putin’s about.  He doesn’t want to defeat the West.  He wants to let it defeat itself.  That takes time and patience.  Hence, incidentally, why Putin’s giving Trump the kid glove treatment.  My own belief is that the Russians also want to give time for the Ukrainians to sort themselves out.  It seems most unlikely at the moment but Putin would far prefer to see the Ukrainians demilitarise and denazify themselves rather than having to do it for them.  And the Ukrainians themselves are starting to say that they no longer see it as their destiny to be mindless puppets of the West.  
 
On what’s happening to the population of Ukraine, the ultras seem to be getting destroyed as far as formed military units are concerned.   Zaluzhnyi  tended to keep them away from the action but Syrskyi is deploying them.
 
But the ultras in the front line are only a small proportion of the ultras in Ukraine.  Of the rest, most have moved or will move to Europe, thus rendering the task of demilitarising and denazifying remnant Ukraine, however the Russians decide to do that, considerably less onerous than it would have been in 2022.
  
At the same time the split population of Ukraine is sorting itself out.  The pro-Russians have been  more inclined to stay put waiting for liberation.  The Pro-Kiev  to move out of areas the Russians might take, fearing Russian occupation.  “Liberation” and “occupation” being the terms used by Ukrainians according to which side their loyalties lie.
 
We saw this Bakhmut.  The split there went right down to families, some in a family moving out of the Russians’ way, some waiting for them to come in.  Soldiers in the Kiev forces in Bakhmut could be seen on Western TV grumbling that they didn’t have much to do with the civilians who’d stayed in Bakmut because those civilians were on the other side.
 
Also seen elsewhere.  After Mariupol the Russians let people go where they wanted.  Some went to Russia.  Some to remnant Ukraine.   It worked the other way at times.  Before setting up the Kharkov trap – we in the West still call it the Ukrainian Kharkov offensive but that’s a disputed term – the Russians evacuated the civilian population to get them out of the way of the fighting.  Possibly also, given Bucha, to save them from retaliation from the Kiev Security Forces.  Some stayed because their houses and plots of land were all they had but it’s likely some stayed to welcome the incoming Kiev forces.
 
Before the “Kherson offensive” the Russians evacuated Kherson, again, those in Kherson who wished to go which seems to have been most of them.  Not only that, there was a flood of vehicles crossing the border into Kherson from Ukraine a little while before the retreat.  The cars often contained families and were loaded with household goods.  The drivers interviewed stated they were “just going to visit Grandma” but there was no doubt they were taking the opportunity to flee Ukraine into Russian territory.  How they got allowed across the border and how they knew that Surovikin was on the verge of leaving Kherson was never  explained but I saw that as another example of the Ukrainian population sorting itself out according to loyalty.
 
So too in Kharkov a while ago.   As soon as it looked as if the Russians might be coming large numbers of cars jammed the roads leaving the city.   Rents in what was the chosen refuge for some, Dnepropetrovsk, went up.  Some were moving out because their businesses depended on good internet access.  Some, it was said, because they were hard liners who’d moved in after 2014 and obviously didn’t want to be around if the Russians arrived.  But I’d guess the most of them were merely people who were Kiev loyalists and preferred to live elsewhere should the Russians take Kharkov.
 
So in Kupiansk.  The Ukrainian authorities complained that the evacuation they’d organised was not going as expected.  Not surprising.  The pro-Russians tended to stay put and there were very many of them.  That’s been seen in other areas too.
 
Pre-2014 the distinction between pro-Russian and Pro-Kiev in the population of the Donbass wasn’t important for most.  As an illustration of that, I saw recently a front line interview with a fighter from the Donbass.  It was pretty obvious where his loyalties lay.  He was fighting on the Russian side of the line and had been engaged in what looked like intensive fighting.   In summary, he stated flatly that pre-2014 he and his family hadn’t given any thought to whether they wanted to be Russian or Ukrainian.  They’d have been quite content to stay Ukrainian.  After 2014, not.
 
Now, the conflict has polarised the old Party of Regions area.  I saw the start of that in a family I knew off personally in Slaviansk in 2014.   It’s gone further now.  Men and women are having to make up their minds whether they want to be Russian or Ukrainian.  The conflict’s gone so far there’s no choice.  And of those who decide pro-Kiev, some move out. 
 
Partial and anecdotal evidence such as given above cannot be regarded as conclusive but to my mind this is a population now on the move according to their inclinations and loyalties.  This is a split population some of whom are voting with their feet, as we saw in Odessa the other way round at the start, and as we’re now seeing in the entirely of the old Party of Regions area and possibly well beyond.
 
Add to that the fact that what Helmer calls the Electric War, the gradual demolition of energy and industrial facilities to lame the Kiev forces, cannot but affect the general Ukrainian population.  If that continues many of them will move out as well.  The population mix of what used to be the old Ukraine is going to be radically different from the mix in 2022.  So are the inclinations of that population.
 
The Russian hot-heads see none of that.  Obviously it’s been slow because the Russians are reluctant to take casualties.  And demolishing all that NATO could throw at them, proxies and equipment in great quantity, also took time and patience.  But it also took time to let the West come to terms with its defeat; and it’s taken time for the Ukrainians to grasp that the West could never do anything but leave them in the lurch, and sort themselves out accordingly.

Posted by: English Outsider | Oct 19 2025 16:01 utc | 7

How they got allowed across the border and how they knew that Surovikin was on the verge of leaving Kherson was never  explained.
the gradual demolition of energy and industrial facilities to lame the Kiev forces, cannot but affect the general Ukrainian population
Posted by: English Outsider | Oct 19 2025 16:01 utc | 7
 
He said on tv, the famous interview 2-3 weeks before he showed the world how fast he can run. That boy was pure comedy gold, I hope he comes back.
The demolition has happened mostly in the new regions, better look on the map where the hits take place. The Ukr population literally doesn’t care. In the “garden” where I live, I had more hours of no power than they have after Rf simulates smo. Instead of repeating low level propaganda from both Eu and Rf, better move to Kyiyyv, which is the safest city on the continent, or Odessa or Lvyiyiyyv then share with us how hard are they suffering and collapsing. Any minute now

Posted by: rk | Oct 19 2025 16:20 utc | 8

The Duran
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOxvtBTc4to
 
“Russian drone and missile superiority overwhelms Ukraine air defense.”

Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 19 2025 16:39 utc | 9

Looks like the Ukrainian front is caving in in the south east between Pokrovs’ke and Hulyaipole, in Porkrovsk, south/southeast of Kostyantynivka, and around Kupyansk. Increasing progress also being made in Vovchansk. This is hardly a frozen conflict, more perhaps one on the verge of becoming more unfrozen.
 
In the season of mud, and then snow, a Ukrainian army with very, very few tracked vehicles left will be forced onto the roads and easy picking for the Russian air force, drones, and artillery. Without the above logistics centres and fortified defences they will also have a significantly reduced defensive capability.  

Posted by: Roger Boyd | Oct 19 2025 17:05 utc | 10

Posted by: English Outsider | Oct 19 2025 16:01 utc | 7
 
RE:  Russian Forces are demolishing all that NATO could throw at them
 
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Your post is fire.  Thx for this detailed work.
 
So far in the SMO, Russian Forces have destroyed $120bn worth of Patriot air-defense launch systems, the most recent one a couple days ago in Pavlograd:  first they destroyed the radar w/ an Iskandr strike; next they destroyed the system itself w/ another Iskandr; then they took out the command center.
 
$120bn up in smoke on Patriots alone.
 
(per Military Summary on 19 October)

Posted by: steel_porcupine | Oct 19 2025 17:09 utc | 11

EO@7
 
I believe another factor is the necessary amount of destruction that occurrs along the line of contact. The current strategy seems to be to create cauldrons with an exit around the urban centers and destroy what tries to leave hoping to minimize the amount of fighting that eventually must occur in urban areas. Also helps those civilians who choose to remain.
 
Moving more quickly would require massive relatively indiscriminate bombardment and increased destruction. The war of attrition has left Ukraine unable to effectively defend the entire line of contact – lacking manpower and material, and increasing difficulty with supply and support due to Russia’s targeting of fuel supplies, rail links, electricity and gas. 
 
This winter could see continued depletion of manpower reserves and migration of civilian populations out of urban centers in eastern Ukraine, setting the stage for more rapid advance in the spring which would face greatly weakened resistance.
 
I still think that Russia needs Kherson and Zaporhizhia cities and the right bank of the lower Dnipr as a minimum requirement of any settlement. The current floated offer to give these up is, I believe, only offered because it will be refused. 
 
Russia would prefer to control Kharkiv, Odessa, Nikolaev, Dnipro, and Krivoy rog, but I don’t see these cities within reach any time in the near future. On the other hand I can’t see a lasting settlement of the conflict that doesn’t include these cities and territories – unless a Russia friendly government is installed in Kiev, and I don’t see how this is possible at present. 

Posted by: the pessimist | Oct 19 2025 17:49 utc | 12

EO@7
 
Great post by the way.

Posted by: the pessimist | Oct 19 2025 17:57 utc | 13

EO@7 Great post by the way.

Ditto

Posted by: Drifter | Oct 19 2025 18:16 utc | 14

Current tally of destroyed Nato Patriot systems is 29, nearing $120 billion in total costs. Yet the Natocrats claim they are losing because ‘Nato troops aren’t on the ground’. 
 
If that’s not full commitment I can claim myself as Pope.

Posted by: unimperator | Oct 19 2025 18:55 utc | 15

Worth repeating
 

  1. Those Russian hot- heads haven’t grasped what Putin’s about.  He doesn’t want to defeat the West.  He wants to let it defeat itself.  That takes time and patience

 
thanks 

Posted by: Exile | Oct 19 2025 19:33 utc | 16

“vladimir putins hackers” just “hacked” 8 british bases and posted files on the dark web, according to perfidious albion. a “catastrophic” attack! 
why are they whining all the time. reminds me of rk.

Posted by: J | Oct 19 2025 19:34 utc | 17

Posted by: Mike R | Oct 19 2025 15:15 utc | 6
“Now we have a strategy of winning.” John McCain on Petraeus’ appointment and “surge” strategy in Iraq around 2007 or so. In combat, truly, one’s worst enemy is oneself, when you are John McCain. all those lives lost…to get his brat daughter on The View…

Posted by: duck n cover | Oct 19 2025 19:56 utc | 18

the lives of the Ukrainians mean no more than the Gazans. or Iranians. or Yemenis. and when do we in the US actually hear about the total number of casualties within Israel, among the Zionazi Western proxy forces?
 
it sounds like Ukrainian war refugees may be the last to enjoy W Europe’s perishing “welfare state.”

Posted by: duck n cover | Oct 19 2025 20:01 utc | 19

Funny short AI video: ‘Russia running out of videos’.
 
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/n3XHT7KjcP8

Posted by: unimperator | Oct 19 2025 20:08 utc | 20

@20 
Meant, Russia running out of missiles… not videos.

Posted by: unimperator | Oct 19 2025 20:10 utc | 21

It would be nice if some of the commenters here had some self-awareness and learned from the Tomahoax episode. Somehow, I doubt it. They’ll keep on repeating the tired old “NATO always escalates” trope without any deep analysis or consideration of the facts.
1. the first lesson is that anytime military strategy is played out in public, we ought to be suspicious.  If the US were serious about escalating, they’d use proper OpSec. Laboriously yammering on for weeks about theoretical weapons systems that haven’t been battles tested  and specific targets only serves to provide the enemy with time and space to prepare.
This is not how serious military men operate. It should be obvious that the politicians were in the drivers seat.
Making the whole thing a political exercise completely divorced from the reality of war.
2. the second lesson is that technical considerations matter. The notion that the US could send tomahawk missiles to some NATO country in a C-130, nicely loaded on pallets with an instruction manual and a box of chocolates, for easy transfer to some Ukrainians warehouse, was just a juvenile neocon fantasy.
The endless search for the next magical technical weapon to turn the tide reflects the west’s over reliance on expensive tech and risk aversion to having to put any skin in the game.  The fact is that the US could easily have fired tomahawks from a navy ship in the Baltic Sea but they haven’t.  If they were such a game changer, why not?

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Oct 19 2025 20:30 utc | 22

The fact is that the US could easily have fired tomahawks from a navy ship in the Baltic Sea but they haven’t.  If they were such a game changer, why not?  Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Oct 19 2025 20:30 utc | 22
Is that a fake question? The USA is using a proxy. If they fired a tomahawk from a boat their boats would be sunk.
You included a  ‘straw man’. Posing as if masses are posting “NATO always escalates”;  you start with “it would be nice” – as if others are here to serve you; you end with a usually trash construction “The fact is …” 
this is MoA, up your game.. Emo is for lesser forums.

Posted by: JustSomeOldGuy | Oct 19 2025 20:43 utc | 23

Bummer. Trump “chickened out” rather then end civilization like a strong and resolute Democrat would. So disappointing. I sure hope you MAGA chuds learned your lesson and vote for Kamala “Giggle Whore” Harris next time! If you’d have voted for her last time then we wouldn’t be talking about this now… or indeed talking about much of anything except for which way the fallout is falling today.

Posted by: William Gruff | Oct 19 2025 20:48 utc | 24

Looks like Article 5 NATO has been detained in Ukraine and eastern Ukraine has once again become Russian? 
 
 
 The 120 billion losses [ Posted by: unimperator | Oct 19 2025 18:55 utc | 15] could be peanuts when compared to the losses that may soon be realized on the balance sheets and income statements of many too big to fail globally operating western located organizations which expected to use the governments these organizations own to capture and hand over Ukraine, Crimea  and all of Russia. 
 
 
The western governments have failed the too big to fail, not because the puppets they put in charge of the governments did not try, but because the mountain the puppets were expected to climb was taller than the equipment such governments could muster in order to make such a climb.  
 
 
Bi polarity is coming your way and my way.. but I don’t see multi polarity? Something needs to be done to break up these privately owned corporate monsters if we want to end the wars for ever syndrome.
 
 
 

Posted by: snake | Oct 19 2025 21:16 utc | 25

oohhh…intelslava says
“It is reported that the meeting escalated into shouting, Trump threw down Ukraine’s battle plans and repeated Putin’s points from the previous call.”
 
actual battle plans presumably confirmed by the previous meeting z had with the arms industry???.And previous consultations with the Coalition of the willing, recent Nato meetings?

Posted by: Jo | Oct 19 2025 21:31 utc | 26

Sorry this is long,  but I’m mostly quoting from much longer pieces. I’ll do it in 3 parts if that helps.
 
Life after the war ends is something that is being seriously discussed and worried about by some Ukrainian politician at least – maybe she is looking for the top job?
 
 
I can’t believe that they still believe they are in a full scale war !
But can sit and have daily media moments.
The disconnect even with such ‘realists’ is mind blowing.
 
First there is Ukranian MP Skorokhod : 
“ Ukraine after the war will not be “at peace and free, civilized and democratic”
 
 
 
Then there is Ukraine’s Air Force commander Anatolii Kryvonozhko openly admitting that air defense systems are positioned in city centers! 
 
 
To the last Ukrainian is not far off now – and many of the now trained armed and fully supplied with huge amounts of weapons ukropian khokol natzios are as expected forming the armed gangs that will make the Mexican and Colombian cartels look like West Side Story kids gone astray.
 
The fire power that will come into play daily across Europe in the diaspora is quite literally going to be lethal for most Europeans and will of course lead to more fascist crackdowns on the last vestiges of the EU ‘freedoms’.
 
Apparently we in the U.K. think we will be spared because – we are not in the EU, we have the channel and we will have full protection with our digital Id cards …
 
I think the remaining regions of Ukraine if given a referendum will happily choose the RF as the wayward cubs returning to Mother! As the first three already did. They’ll at least have the full socialist welfare system and safety and security from their armed bandits as Europe pays the price for US imperial failure McCain/Graham/ Kagans Khazer Natzios further failure to destroy and take Russia finally. They l’ll also be able to speak their native language and worship at their native church.
 
It will be possible because the SMO has not been aimed directly at the civvies no matter how provoked.
That too is the planned side effect of the slomo.
That’s how to achieve denazification.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Oct 19 2025 21:41 utc | 27

— Ukranian MP Skorokhod
 
She lays out the whole scenario of post war Azov  thugs who have never had a job and always had everything given or have learnt to take.
 
How the Azovs are turning up and pressganging recruits directly into their units. Beating and stealing – they can have only learnt this from our British old martial officer types who have centuries of experience of such practice.
 
The interviewer tells her. AZOV is torturing conscripts and run illegal scams in Ukraine!
 
Interviewer: “It’s absolutely horrific what’s happening across the country right now, and I’d like you to comment separately on the situation in Ternopil, the 3rd Assault (nazi Azov regiment)…
 
if you think about it, it’s a nightmare. That is, we are talking about the guys coming from the front, who will restore order and justice, but with this incident we have shown the whole country that people will come who will treat the civilian population even worse than the Drafting Center workers. What do you think about this?“
 
She replies:
 
“Ukranian MP Skorokhod: “Look, about the history before the full-scale war, about the actions of Azov, which is now part of—well, yes, it was divided into Azov, the National Guard, the Third Assault, Dnepr-1, various fan clubs, football clubs, and so on—we all heard, saw, and observed what they did and how much of it all went unpunished.
 
Because they were controlled by law enforcement agencies, large, as they say, influential people in our country. But we understand that these people, they haven’t gone anywhere, they are now in charge of various brigades, in our case, a regiment, you could say regiments, if you look closely at who is where in the management.
 
And I don’t want to downplay their importance at the front, because they are truly strong combat units. But let’s not forget that in addition to being good warriors, they also know how to make money illegally.
 
Because they are not used to working, they are not used to the fact that you can take away something and nothing will happen to you for it. It’s the same thing here. They are embittered.
 
There is the side of the coin, which is not popular here, and for which they can shoot you right on the street, because someone doesn’t like it, and they have a gun.
 
I’ll tell you more. I received statements that in Ternopil, specifically in Ternopil, the 3rd assault unit surrounded various establishments there and recruited people for themselves, as if they were performing the work of the Drafting Center in order to fill their regiment…”
 
She continues to lay out what is in store if they come back alive.
 
“.. We have come to the conclusion that our military has not just an indulgence, but a complete indulgence. And considering that our president, whom they elected, Andriy Yermak, believes that Beletsky is his man, there are also people who believe, Renat Leonidovich (Akhmetov, the largest oligarch) believes that Beletsky is his man.
 
And a number of other rather influential and high-ranking people believe that Beletsky is their man. But Beletsky is Beletsky’s man. For some reason, no one takes this into account, and we must also understand that such large units are preparing for elections in the same way, and they will also take part in them in the same way.“
 
That’s via | @MyLordBebo
It’s quite an interview that’s just a snippet.
 
Blew my mind.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Oct 19 2025 21:44 utc | 28

Finally this: 
 
‘Ukraine’s Air Force commander Anatolii Kryvonozhko openly admitted that air defense systems are positioned in city centers and routinely intercept missiles over residential areas. He justified this by citing a shortage of surface-to-air systems and claiming that falling debris causes less damage than a missile strike — even though these same intercepts often hit homes. Not only did Kryvonozhko confirm the use of air defense over urban zones, but he also explained what a 450-kilogram warhead, like that of a Kh-101 cruise missile, would do — completely obliterating everything at the impact site. So the next time you see photos of “Russian missiles” that supposedly hit a building but only show broken windows or minor façade damage, remember: that’s the result of Ukrainian air defense, not a direct missile strike.
 
Ukraine has stationed air defense systems directly within city centers since the beginning of the conflict, despite the obvious risks this poses to civilians. These systems routinely engage targets over densely populated areas, causing debris and missile fragments to fall onto residential districts. Kiev’s justification — that such defenses are necessary to protect the cities themselves — ignores the fact that international humanitarian law requires combatants to avoid endangering civilian populations.
 
Compounding the issue, Ukraine continues to host military production sites and weapons depots inside urban areas, effectively using civilian infrastructure as cover. This blurring of military and civilian zones not only increases the likelihood of civilian casualties but also undermines claims that Russia targets non-military sites. In reality, Kiev’s decision to militarize its cities has turned its own population into a human shield — a practice widely condemned under the laws of war.
 
🔴 @DDGeopolitics ‘

The demilitarisation will come from the trials of such commanders and politicians – presumably they will be annoyed with their natzio directors – who will live the remainder of their lives avoiding the vengeance of the betrayed banderists. Not all of whom will have filled their boots and gone to live in Florida with their tattoos. 

Posted by: DunGroanin | Oct 19 2025 21:50 utc | 29

EO7.
One of the finest posts ever seen on MOA.

Posted by: Merkin Scot | Oct 19 2025 22:02 utc | 30

Posted by: steel_porcupine | Oct 19 2025 17:09 utc | 11
I’d haircut those figures by at least 50%, most of the public footage rarely shows the site being impacted, at the moment of the strike the view will invariably shift to a higher altitude shot, that may, or may not be the same location. I watched a supposed successful strike on the launchers but no secondary explosions, no involuntary launch of missiles.
 
The systems given to Ukraine can disperse up to 10km from the radar, so these are not fish in a barrel targets and any aerial surveillance can be targeted by the launchers. Clueless posters who constantly denigrate the systems effectiveness need to listed to the Su-34 crew whose fear at being locked up by the system is palpable, and even having descended rapidly, in a series of high-G turns still had the missile detonate close enough to take out their comms with their AWACS, without which they’d have been probably killed by the missile. 
 
This is a war, first casualty the truth, both sides will over-claim and under-report, their own successes and losses respectively believing anything else demonstrates a lack of understanding about conflicts and their all encompassing nature. 

Posted by: Milites | Oct 19 2025 22:19 utc | 31

Posted by: English Outsider | Oct 19 2025 16:01 utc | 7
Population migration based on self-identification of a group identity, as a response to conflict, is one of the first indicators of a civil war breaking out. As the conflict breaks out this movement then becomes situationally dependent: those who could get out left first, those who followed later moved because the situation favoured it, the last group can not move due to numerous circumstances and are trapped until freed. 

Posted by: Milites | Oct 19 2025 22:42 utc | 32

So we’ve done the full the Orange King TACO’s circuit again with the Tomahawks, and Zelensky continues to play the Black Knight from Monty Python’s Holy Grail.

Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Oct 19 2025 23:02 utc | 33

Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Oct 19 2025 23:02 utc | 33
You really can’t see through those Orange tinted glasses you seem to perpetually wear. He NEVER was going to give Ukraine nuclear-capable weapons, it was another kick the can down the road operation, just like all the rest, with the aim of allowing Putin to solve the problem, whilst not allowing the DS cells running the proxy operation an opportunity to run another R3 impeachment. Remember the 52 days becomes 14 days, becomes 60 because we’re having a chat in Alaska, same here, delay, delay, delay, and irony of ironies, the media, who hate him, and who promoted the childish TACO label, are giving him the perfect cover. I’m sure the martial artist Putin approves of his political partner’s ability to redirect an attacking force to his advantage. 

Posted by: Milites | Oct 19 2025 23:15 utc | 34

The systems given to Ukraine can disperse up to 10km from the radar, so these are not fish in a barrel targets and any aerial surveillance can be targeted by the launchers. 
Posted by: Milites | Oct 19 2025 22:19 utc | 31
They “can” disperse them but they never do, they have already proven to be “fish in a barrel targets”, the only thing they’ve been effective against is in fact aircraft and/or drones (which are a murderously poor ROI) and — finally — the aerial surveillance is in fact drones and (again) there’s simply no upside for them to use Patriots on drones.
Overall Patriots have been a rather obvious and egregiously expensive bust, which is why Israel doesn’t even bother.
 

Posted by: TJandTheBear | Oct 19 2025 23:19 utc | 35

How can you paste a link to external media? I wanted to show the Zelensky interview with NBC news, the guys crushed. He really had been led to believe that he’d get his missiles, I wonder what promises he’d made in anticipation of their arrival and will those interested parties be as sympathetic about his plight as Welker?  Somehow I doubt it. 

Posted by: Milites | Oct 19 2025 23:23 utc | 36

actual battle plans presumably confirmed by the previous meeting z had with the arms industry???.And previous consultations with the Coalition of the willing, recent Nato meetings?
Posted by: Jo | Oct 19 2025 21:31 utc | 26

 
They look so shiny and good on Powerpoint printouts, no? /sarcasm
 
It’s fair to assume Trump knows exactly where this is going, no matter what he will blabber into TV cameras tomorrow or in a few weeks.  He’s an actor with screen credits, after all!  It’s also fair to assume that much more has been going on behind the scenes vis-à-vis teams Trump/Putin than the public is told. 
 
It will be good for Russia and the U.S., but not for EU-UK.  Merz, Micron and Starmer probably know this.

Posted by: Nervous German | Oct 19 2025 23:26 utc | 37

King Donald posted himself shitting on his own people at the No Kings protests on his Truth Social media.   https://x.com/LauraLoomer/status/1979754846090834014 

Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Oct 19 2025 23:27 utc | 38

I feel like Mercouris has evolved considerably in his assessment of the conflict and observes that it is a direct conflict between the US and Russia and that both US and Russia are evading the point that the actual negotiations that matter are those between the US and Russia – Ukraine is secondary.

Posted by: jared | Oct 19 2025 23:29 utc | 39

shitting on his own people
Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Oct 19 2025 23:27 utc | 38

You are not an American, are you?

Posted by: Nervous German | Oct 19 2025 23:31 utc | 40

Posted by: Milites | Oct 19 2025 23:15 utc | 34
 
Do you only ever read what YOU write? Seems like it. I have been making the case that the Tomahawks were kicking the can down the road for weeks, but Russia was still taking it seriously. Everything TACO Trump does is kick the can down the road. You are like a few others on here, you only think what you write is important. It’s the problem with having a fat ego and being prone to narcissistic self-love over your own opinions. 

Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Oct 19 2025 23:36 utc | 41

Posted by: Nervous German | Oct 19 2025 23:31 utc | 40
 
No I am not thank God are you?  Did you watch this repulsive video Trump posted?

Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Oct 19 2025 23:38 utc | 42

Russia was still taking it seriously
Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Oct 19 2025 23:36 utc | 41

And? What’s your point?

fat ego and being prone to narcissistic self-love over your own opinions

Projection?

Posted by: Nervous German | Oct 19 2025 23:39 utc | 43

Posted by: Nervous German | Oct 19 2025 23:39 utc | 43
 
Are you pretending to be Milites sock puppet? Or just wanting to stick your nose into other peoples business? Or just a Trump fluffer?

Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Oct 19 2025 23:45 utc | 44

Posted by: Nervous German | Oct 19 2025 23:39 utc | 43
 
I’d be f*cking nervous too if I was a German with the appalling leaders you have taking you into economic chaos and support for Nazism again.

Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Oct 19 2025 23:48 utc | 45

Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Oct 19 2025 23:45 utc | 44

You lose your composure quite quickly. Please continue 🙂
Just for context. The NYPD reported a mere 100k protesting on and around Times Square on October 18th. What’s the population of New York met area?

Posted by: Nervous German | Oct 19 2025 23:52 utc | 46

Posted by: Nervous German | Oct 19 2025 23:52 utc | 46
 
I got my answer = Trump Fluffer
 
Don’t waste my time.

Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Oct 19 2025 23:55 utc | 47

GeorgeWendell @38
 
Hilarious! Thanks for the link!

Posted by: William Gruff | Oct 19 2025 23:56 utc | 48

Posted by: English Outsider | Oct 19 2025 16:01 utc | 7
Great post, thank you.
Just one thing: “Kharkov trap.” Can you explain your reasoning for this? From what I can see, even most pro-Russian commentators see this as Ukraine exploiting thinly-spread Russian manpower. If it was a trap – and I look forward to your explanation – then it didn’t really help Russia besides setting them back 3 years in the Kharkov and northern Donetsk region.

Posted by: (Usually) Silent observer | Oct 20 2025 0:01 utc | 49

@GeorgeWendell

This one’s for you: https://x.com/jeffhunt/status/1979554731782729920 😂

Posted by: Nervous German | Oct 20 2025 0:08 utc | 50

Martyanov has an article up where Russian experts demolishes Gilbert Doctorow’s analysis re the mood in Russia. 
 
Can’t remember where I read this but there’s a Russian explaining VVP’s actions and how the President keeps reminding everyone on the the history of Russia accepting “peace” on the verge of victory.  

Posted by: Suresh | Oct 20 2025 0:19 utc | 51

@50, should have added and why Russia must achieve outright victory. 

Posted by: Suresh | Oct 20 2025 0:22 utc | 52

“TACO Tuesday always happens on a Monday” – Sean Foo YT

Posted by: Suresh | Oct 20 2025 0:27 utc | 53

DJT demanded that Ukraine submit to Vladimir Putin’s peace terms or face destruction in an angry meeting at the White House on Friday, it has emerged, per The Telegraph (Brit online newspaper) and also the FT.
 
It’s interesting that info is emerging in dribs & drabs.
 
DJT, who spoke with VVP shortly before hosting Volodymyr, warned that Russia would “destroy” Ukraine unless a peace deal was in place.
 
Erm, we’re seeing that play out in real-time right now.
 
Shouting & swearing, DJT threw aside Ukrainian maps of the battlefield and pressured Volodymyr to surrender Donbass to VVP.
 
In the White House mtg., DJT echoed VVP’s talking points despite contradicting his own recent assessment that Moscow was a “paper tiger,”  European officials briefed on the meeting told the FT.
 
DJT candidly told Volodymyr that Ukraine was losing the war, badly, and said, “If Putin wants, he will destroy you.”
 
On Sunday, making the morning talk show circuit, Volodymyr kept the mood buoyant & optimistic and in fact insisted that Ukraine is winning the war:  “Russia’s military is now in a weakened position.”
 
Western media has reported on the White House working luncheon last Friday consistently since the working luncheon ended:  that it was difficult, that it was tough, that Volodymyr walked away empty-handed. 
 
Meanwhile, Volodymyr told DJT on Sunday that he “is willing and able to attend the Budapest Summit.”
 
In sports, they always say the best ability is availability.

Posted by: steel_porcupine | Oct 20 2025 0:33 utc | 54

Posted by: Nervous German | Oct 20 2025 0:08 utc | 49
 
Only a Trump fluffer would believe a sample of one (that is probably fake propaganda anyway) is significant.  And as if your Trump fluffer MAGAS didn’t just follow the leader anyway. Thanks for the video you just confirmed your credulity and hypocrisy in one go. 
 
 

Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Oct 20 2025 0:34 utc | 55

Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Oct 19 2025 23:36 utc | 41
I’d have thought the definition of an egoist is someone who expects others posters to remember what they wrote weeks ago, then again I’ve got my fluffer to stimulate, or is that the other way round? 
Loved the video, again you either understand Trump’s strategic intent or you don’t. Funny how those whining the loudest actively cheered a Presidential candidate calling half the country deplorable  and a President threatening them with military force. 
 

Posted by: Milites | Oct 20 2025 0:35 utc | 56

Alexander Mercouris: ‘Kiev military crisis badly worsens’
 
https://www.youtube.com/@AlexMercouris/videos
 
“Big Russian gains – Pakrovsk – Kherson – Zelensky in denial – no retreat.”
 
 

Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 20 2025 0:36 utc | 57

…Can’t remember where I read this but there’s a Russian explaining VVP’s actions and how the President keeps reminding everyone on the the history of Russia accepting “peace” on the verge of victory, and why Russia must achieve outright victory. Posted by: Suresh | Oct 20 2025 0:22 utc | @50 51

 
The latest Simplicius quotes some INSIDER-T post.

Posted by: Poslan1 | Oct 20 2025 0:39 utc | 58

Posted by: William Gruff | Oct 19 2025 23:56 utc | 48
 
Of course it will be funny until a lump of shite falls on your face. You are just a Trump apologist, everyone knows that here. 

Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Oct 20 2025 0:40 utc | 59

NATO’s Nuclear Threats On Parade
 
https://www.counterpunch.org/2025/10/17/nato-nuclear-threats-on-parade/
 
“NATO’s standing threat to attack Russia with nuclear weapons is put on parade every autumn. This year’s thermonuclear dry run – dubbed Steadfast Noon – got started October 13 according to NATO’s press office and the Supreme Headquarters Allied Powers Europe, or SHAPE, in Mons, Belgium.
 
In the words of NATO’s Secretary-General Mark Rutte, the run-through is’ to make sure that our nuclear deterrent remains as credible…and as effective as possible.’ 
Translation: We’re testing readiness to commit mass slaughter with hydrogen bombs…”

Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 20 2025 0:44 utc | 60

“Of course it will be funny until a lump of shite falls on your face.”
 
I watched from a distance and sipped my excellent Japanese whiskey. While I might have been a bit shit-faced, I was clearly not so face-shat as you.
 
But there is a nuance…

Posted by: William Gruff | Oct 20 2025 0:46 utc | 61

NATO’s Nuclear Threats on Parade (corrected)
https://www.counterpunch.org/2025/10/17/natos-nuclear-threats-on-parade/

Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 20 2025 0:47 utc | 62

Posted by: Milites | Oct 20 2025 0:35 utc | 55
 
I’m not an American thank God, nor do I think in terms of black and white with US politics. Once again you demonstrate you have never read anything I have written before. I have always consistently said both Democrat and Republican are from the same sewer, a monoparty.  How many times did I labour the point that Biden and his neocons Blinken and Nuland et. al. were are disgrace.  You could at least study what the person has written and understand their position before you pontificate as if you are the expert here. 

Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Oct 20 2025 0:51 utc | 63

Posted by: William Gruff | Oct 20 2025 0:46 utc | 60
Of course William, you are a bit pissed and a superior MAGA man. 

Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Oct 20 2025 0:55 utc | 64

“DJT demanded that Ukraine submit to Vladimir Putin’s peace terms or face destruction in an angry meeting at the White House on Friday, it has emerged, per The Telegraph (Brit online newspaper) and also the FT.”
Why do people suddenly believe the media, when it reports what they want to hear? Same with Simplicius recently, when the Alaska meeting conversations were “leaked”, and they happened to accord with his ideas of what took place.

Posted by: Call it what u will | Oct 20 2025 0:55 utc | 65

Posted by: steel_porcupine | Oct 20 2025 0:33 utc | 53
Aha!  The final DS attempt to paint Trump as a Putin apologist, or maybe worse, before their smouldering house of cards collapses. This time, like the last, it starts with 5 Eyes countries leaking, based on sources close to the President (i.e. an email originating from Mary McCord). Shame Trump didn’t throw the bloody table the maps were on at the proxy puppet. Either way he looked crushed in the NBC meeting so the King’s obvious got some lungs on him.
 
As Gandalf says, ‘the board is set and the pieces are moving’. 
 
Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Oct 20 2025 0:40 utc | 58
I see George, (the other one), is not sending his finest.

Posted by: Milites | Oct 20 2025 0:59 utc | 66

Posted by: Milites | Oct 20 2025 0:59 utc | 65
 
So you are a really a ‘Trump is a 5D chess player’ man. 

Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Oct 20 2025 1:15 utc | 67

trump is still posing as a humanitarian.  Utterly fake!
 
If trump wanted to save humans he would deny both branches of fascism arms, weapons and intel.
 
trump continues to send tools needed to do the killing he claims is so sorrowing.

Posted by: paddy | Oct 20 2025 1:32 utc | 68

You gentleman can all give it a rest now, if you don’t mind.

Posted by: the pessimist | Oct 20 2025 1:38 utc | 69

How can you paste a link to external media? I wanted to show the Zelensky interview with NBC news, the guys crushed. 
Posted by: Milites | Oct 19 2025 23:23 utc | 36

 
Posting links to outside sources is straightforward.  Just copy the url and paste it directly into your message.  I assume this is the interview you wanted to share (pasted below).  Zelensky is an accomplished actor.
 
https://youtu.be/V2SqX6POZP8
Zelenskyy: ‘Trump didn’t say no’ but ‘didn’t say yes’ to Tomahawk missiles for Ukraine

Posted by: ThouShalt | Oct 20 2025 1:50 utc | 70

Posted by: rk | Oct 19 2025 16:20 utc | 8
 
RK –  On the “Kherson counteroffensive”,  I’ve just heard Mercouris say that the NYT confirmed it was planned by Western Generals.   That fits with what the Ukrainians were saying later.  Wiki also states British and American officers had a hand in the planning.
 
Figures.  The Milley/Cavoli/Radakin trio managed to get so many Ukrainians killed during this war  they should have been given a special rank in the Western command structure.  The Grim Reapers in Chief.  My abiding memory of that time is of videos of Ukrainian soldiers walking forward in long lines between tanks, lines straight as if drawn by a ruler, and getting blown away by murderously accurate artillery fire.  Looks like the sort of planning the Grim Reapers were so good at throughout.  Even going by Wiki the Ukrainians took heavy casualties as a result.
 
Wiki also gives the impression that the Russian forces were not competently handled and got themselves into all sorts of trouble.  Don’t see why not.  War is often a shambles and maybe this episode was too.  But I’d like to see more evidence than was provided by the ISW or the Western spin merchants before taking their word for it that the Russians screwed up.
 
And Wiki makes so many assumptions about what the Russians were supposed to be up to that the Wiki compilers might just as well have reprinted the nonsense put about at the time by the Western press.  In effect they did.  It cannot be too strongly emphasised that the only justification for reading the Western press is that it’s a faithful  record of what the politicians want us to believe.
 
That said, all I know is that the Russians were holding Kherson OK, so much so that when the Ukrainians did move in they were initially hesitant to do so in case it was another trap.  And that Kherson had been evacuated in advance.
 
Surovikin had been faced with a choice.  He could hold Kherson and risk his logistics failing if the dam was blown.   Or he could play safe and withdraw.  That withdrawal inevitably to be portrayed as a great Ukrainian victory and a disaster for the Russians.  The Russian milblogers, Girkin leading the charge, with their usual woe is me and can we nuke Ramstein now please chorus.
 
A choice, then, between military common sense or risking holding on for PR reasons.  I believe Surovikin made the correct choice.  Surovikin made a lot of correct choices at that time, for all his name’s mud now.
 
 
 
 
 
 

Posted by: English Outsider | Oct 20 2025 2:05 utc | 71

I believe Surovikin made the correct choice.   
Posted by: English Outsider | Oct 20 2025 2:05 utc | 70
 
Fully agree. Anyone know where he is now?

Posted by: Don Firineach | Oct 20 2025 2:13 utc | 72

TPP Stands For Trump-Putin, Peace & The Proof of the Pudding – Anticipating The Menu At the Budapest Summit
 
https://johnhelmer.net/tpp-stands-for-trump-putin-peace-and-the-proof-of-the-pudding-anticipating-the-menu-at-the-budapest-summit/
 
“…Sources in Moscow in a position to know believe that President Vladimir Putin convinced President Donald Trump on the telephone last week of 3 things. The first is that they can strike terms for a settlement of the Ukraine war by the time they meet in Budapest.
 
The second is that Budapest can be a peace agreement for which Putin will nominate Trump for the Nobel Peace Prize.
 
The third is that if Trump won’t agree on terms and escalates with more weapons, more Americans on the ground, and more sanctions, he will lose the war, lose the lives of Americans, and be forced into his very own Saigon 1975 and Kabul 2021 – that’s to say, MALA, Make America Lose Again.
 
‘It’s going to happen now,’ the Russian sources say. When Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov meets Secretary of State Marco Rubio in a few days’ time, the sources expect ‘there will be a deal from the Russian side.’
 
The catch, they also say, is that Putin can make his deal consensus so attractive that Trump is bound to agree, but at least 3 of his decision-makers may not…”

Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 20 2025 2:15 utc | 73

@71
Afrika Korp.

Posted by: Suresh | Oct 20 2025 2:15 utc | 74

Posted by: steel_porcupine | Oct 20 2025 0:33 utc | 53
 
No leaks from insiders is worth anything. why listen to any of it? It’s BS. 

Posted by: dodger | Oct 20 2025 2:21 utc | 75

NYTs Russia’s recent aggression toward NATO shows that Russia’s war in Ukraine is about much more than Ukraine. It is about Mr. Putin’s revanchist ambitions in Europe
 
The insanity continues on, the world is mad. Is Putin going to annex, switzerland, belgium Spain or Germany?  The Vatican maybe? These people are all psychotic idiots. 
 
They are mad, they can only ever deliver more madness….. the Americans that is.  But I no longer trust in Putin’s government either. Nor the wide-ranging supporters either. Something is not right in ‘the kremlin’.  Everyday passes the more I think it’s a pity Crooks missed. The sooner someone takes out the US as a functioning nation with nukes the better. America needs to be turned into ‘a Gaza’. 
 
Sure, sounds pretty extreme, but do you have a better permanent solution to the state of the world? The USA is Toxic to everyone. 

Posted by: dodger | Oct 20 2025 2:48 utc | 76

Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Oct 19 2025 23:27 utc | 38
“King Donald posted himself shitting on his own people at the No Kings protests on his Truth Social media.”
 
It could be worse. He could cut off their access to cheap energy, cut their domestic programs and use their food and energy subsidies funds to send weapons to support the losing side in a war, all while their businesses are going bankrupt and moving overseas. Similar to some other countries we could mention.

Posted by: Paranaense | Oct 20 2025 3:50 utc | 77

Posted by: Nervous German | Oct 19 2025 23:52 utc | 46
“The NYPD reported a mere 100k protesting on and around Times Square on October 18th. What’s the population of New York met area?”
 
And I heard that they all cleared out precisely at 1PM, as soon as they were off the clock. No one wanted to stick around once their shift was done and they weren’t getting paid.

Posted by: Paranaense | Oct 20 2025 3:55 utc | 78

Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Oct 20 2025 0:40 utc | 58
“Of course it will be funny until a lump of shite falls on your face. You are just a Trump apologist, everyone knows that here. ”
 
You’ll never get it because liberals are bitter and have no sense of humor. One’s smug superiority inhibits laughter.

Posted by: Paranaense | Oct 20 2025 4:16 utc | 79

Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Oct 20 2025 0:51 utc | 62
 “I have always consistently said both Democrat and Republican are from the same sewer, a monoparty.”
 
You’ve inadvertently stumbled into the truth. What you don’t seem to understand is that Trump is an outsider and a mortal enemy of the monoparty (Deep State). After they tried to impeach him over the Russia Gate hoax, bankrupt him and jail him during the Biden years, and then try to assassinate him twice during the run up to the election, he has finally taken off the gloves and is going for blood. It seems he has wised up and now realizes what he is up against. The Republican power brokers who watched helplessly as he took much of the Party away will never forgive him and never cooperate with him.

Posted by: Paranaense | Oct 20 2025 4:30 utc | 80

Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 20 2025 2:15 utc | 72
 
Helmer is unreliable. Has a few screws loose from time to time, and easily led. pound of salt. you don’t have long to wait for what Hungary will produce. odds are they will lay another egg. Helmer and 100s of others should be ignored imv. 
 
your own big picture opinion is likely more grounded and rational.. 

Posted by: dodger | Oct 20 2025 4:36 utc | 81

Posted by: Don Firineach | Oct 20 2025 2:13 utc | 71
“Fully agree. Anyone know where he is now?”
 
The last I read, he was in charge of Russia’s forces building networks in northern Africa.

Posted by: Paranaense | Oct 20 2025 4:43 utc | 82

Posted by: dodger | Oct 20 2025 2:48 utc | 75
“The sooner someone takes out the US as a functioning nation with nukes the better. ”
 
 
That seems to be what the Book of Revelation is hinting at:
“And the kings of the earth, who committed sexual immorality and lived in luxury with her, will weep and wail over her when they see the smoke of her burning. They will stand far off, in fear of her torment, and say,
“Alas! Alas! You great city,
you mighty city, Babylon!
For in a single hour your judgment has come.” (Revelation 18:9-10)
 
It’s full of metaphor, but chapters 17 and 18 suggest that Europe’s resentment of America’s rough treatment leads to the rise of a Globalist leader, and then America gets destroyed in a single hour as a judgement from God for her arrogance and immorality. Stick around, you might get your wish 
 

Posted by: Paranaense | Oct 20 2025 4:59 utc | 83

Posted by: Paranaense | Oct 20 2025 4:59 utc | 82
 
So you are a right wing religious nutter too.  Waste of space then. 

Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Oct 20 2025 5:02 utc | 84

@Paranaense, dodger, English Outsider, suresh: 💯

The last I read, he was in charge of Russia’s forces building networks in northern Africa.

Among other “special” tasks on the continent, we may presume.

Posted by: Nervous German | Oct 20 2025 5:09 utc | 85

Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Oct 20 2025 5:02 utc | 83
“Waste of space then. ”
 
Yes, and your opinions are highly valued gems that everyone here can’t wait to read. Weren’t you just complaining that nobody remembers what you posted last week?
 

Posted by: Paranaense | Oct 20 2025 5:12 utc | 86

Posted by: Paranaense | Oct 20 2025 5:12 utc | 85
 
Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Oct 20 2025 5:02 utc | 83 “Yes, and your opinions are highly valued gems that everyone here can’t wait to read”.    Thank you
 
“Weren’t you just complaining that nobody remembers what you posted last week?”
 
Actually only Milites, if you are accusing him of being “nobody”?  
 

Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Oct 20 2025 5:35 utc | 87

@79 Paranaense 
 
You really believe that?
 
 

Posted by: Soviético | Oct 20 2025 5:38 utc | 88

A lot of MAGA Donald defending here today and I’d say that is mainly because he gave up on the Tomahawks.  

Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Oct 20 2025 5:43 utc | 89

Posted by: Soviético | Oct 20 2025 5:38 utc | 87

There are strong indicators to support the claim.  Trump even was banned from SAG, the Screen Actors Guild, which he had joined in 1989, for “inciting violence” and “harming members” in light of the Jan 6 events.  Trump may have many faults and many billionaire buddies, but many enemies in the uniparty club that has been running Washington, DC — or: the swamp — ever since Eisenhower warned the public about the MIC.

Posted by: Nervous German | Oct 20 2025 5:46 utc | 90

A lot of MAGA Donald defending here today and I’d say that is mainly because he gave up on the Tomahawks.  
Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Oct 20 2025 5:43 utc | 88
 

Tomahawks were only the latest carrot on the stick to hedge the rabid anti-Russia establishment with their war-mongering “allies” aka “Coalition of the Willing but Incapable”.

Posted by: Nervous German | Oct 20 2025 5:50 utc | 91

Posted by: Soviético | Oct 20 2025 5:38 utc | 87
You really believe that?
 
 
If they didn’t see Trump as a mortal enemy then why did they try to put him in jail multiple times, and when that failed and he started doing well in the polls why did they try to assassinate him twice?

Posted by: Paranaense | Oct 20 2025 5:53 utc | 92

Posted by: Paranaense | Oct 20 2025 5:53 utc | 92
Do you really believe that yourself? I guess if you are going to quote The Book of Revelation in the Bible as evidence for your claims, especially the way you want them to be seen, then anything goes.
Trump is doing exactly the same with his enemies…. and assassinations? Few people believe that nonsense as well except his MAGA devotees of which  there are less and less. 

Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Oct 20 2025 6:51 utc | 93

Paranaense 
 
If he were as outsider he would have been arrested.e 

Posted by: Soviético | Oct 20 2025 7:06 utc | 94

More of that “The Establishment attacks Trump to make him more popular!” retardation. If the system pigs could really pull off reverse psychology like that then why don’t they do it to salvage the popularity of other politicians? Starmer, Macroon, and Merz could really use a boost right now, as examples. 
But no, people with their intellect demolished by TDS think it makes perfect sense that Establishment system pigs reserve that particular technique for building popular support strictly for Trump. 
Damn, but it is tragic how terribly TDS wrecks some people’s minds. 

Posted by: William Gruff | Oct 20 2025 7:22 utc | 95

Garland Nixon: EU clowns face defeat?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EdKoqkBep8

Posted by: unimperator | Oct 20 2025 7:28 utc | 96

Former British diplomat that authorized sanctions packages against Russia in 2022, Ian Proud, came around to our side. Proof of intelligent life in the islands?
 
https://www.unz.com/article/why-western-sanctions-have-failed-and-become-self-defeating/

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Oct 20 2025 7:35 utc | 97

Posted by: William Gruff | Oct 20 2025 7:22 utc | 95
 
It’s a pity how Trump gullibility syndrome wrecks people’s minds too. Keep believing in your messiah. Faith not reason I suppose. Not that the Democrats are any better, little hope for any better on the horizon in the US from either side. 
 
BTW Trump’s popularity continues to be on the decline. 

Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Oct 20 2025 7:38 utc | 98

Willian.
Desculpe, mas só consigo escrever textos curtos em inglês.  Por isto, vou lhe responder em português
No meu caso, não se trata de TDS, já que na disputa interna norte-americana e européia prefiro os “realistas” aos neo-conservadores/atlantistas.
Meu ponto é que Trump não é m outsider.  Ele é parte do sistema, assim como o era Mussolini.
Este tipo de personagem é comum nas épocas de grave crise do capitalismo…
 
Vocês trumpistas precisam cair na real (duvido que os neo-conservador possam fazer isso): Trump é um político medíocre em meio à políticos muito mais medíocres do que ele.
 

Posted by: Soviético | Oct 20 2025 7:42 utc | 99

King Donald posted himself shitting on his own people at the No Kings protests on his Truth Social media.   https://x.com/LauraLoomer/status/1979754846090834014 
Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Oct 19 2025 23:27 utc | 38

 
This is almost unbelievable but Trump is actually telling in no sofisticated way how he views the American population and his own presidential role. Wow.
 
Thank you for sharing George (and thanks also for your comments in general, they’re brilliant)

Posted by: Avtonom | Oct 20 2025 8:16 utc | 100