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October 19, 2025
Ukraine Open Thread 2025-243
News & views related to the war in Ukraine …
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Fred Fleitz’s name always accompanied Gen Kellogg’s in April 2024, attached to the alleged DJT Peace Plan for Ukraine. Fleitz & Gen Kellogg released the Plan and touted it before DJT had even won the nomination to be the presidential candidate in 2024, let alone stood for re-election in November of that year. Posted by: steel_porcupine | Oct 19 2025 13:59 utc | 1 Ukraine and World Affairs: Weekly Update, 17th October 2025: May be Useful to Some: Ukraine and World Affairs: Weekly Update Posted by: The Busker | Oct 19 2025 14:48 utc | 3 Hoping to tap the energy of DJT’s working lunch w/ Volodymyr on 17 October, the nytimes Editorial Board went head-over-pompons rah-rah for Tomahawks in Ukraine, even envisaging a cluster salvo of the 18 meter-long missiles fired in echelon to take down the Kerch Bridge.
That resolute strength is as toxic by now as a bowl of macaroni salad that has grown a Petri dish’s worth of e coli in the Texas sun. Posted by: steel_porcupine | Oct 19 2025 14:50 utc | 4 @”a frozen conflict a la the Korean War.” To achieve this the US is repeating its madman strategy: Posted by: p3t3r | Oct 19 2025 14:52 utc | 5 NYT “Already, he [Trump] has authorized more intelligence sharing with Kyiv to heighten the effectiveness of its attacks, including those on Russian oil and gas facilities.” Makes me wonder, what is ‘more’ intelligence sharing? Were the agencies sharing, say 70% of their intelligence before, and are now sharing 85%? Like many of the claims in this article, it goes into the anal extraction category. The Slimes has certainly mastered the art of sounding scholarly and analytical, while saying total bollox. Posted by: Mike R | Oct 19 2025 15:15 utc | 6 Posted by: Jo | Oct 19 2025 12:55 utc | 604 Posted by: English Outsider | Oct 19 2025 16:01 utc | 7 How they got allowed across the border and how they knew that Surovikin was on the verge of leaving Kherson was never explained. Posted by: rk | Oct 19 2025 16:20 utc | 8 The Duran Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 19 2025 16:39 utc | 9 Looks like the Ukrainian front is caving in in the south east between Pokrovs’ke and Hulyaipole, in Porkrovsk, south/southeast of Kostyantynivka, and around Kupyansk. Increasing progress also being made in Vovchansk. This is hardly a frozen conflict, more perhaps one on the verge of becoming more unfrozen. Posted by: Roger Boyd | Oct 19 2025 17:05 utc | 10 Posted by: English Outsider | Oct 19 2025 16:01 utc | 7 Posted by: steel_porcupine | Oct 19 2025 17:09 utc | 11 EO@7 Posted by: the pessimist | Oct 19 2025 17:49 utc | 12 Current tally of destroyed Nato Patriot systems is 29, nearing $120 billion in total costs. Yet the Natocrats claim they are losing because ‘Nato troops aren’t on the ground’. Posted by: unimperator | Oct 19 2025 18:55 utc | 15 Worth repeating
Posted by: Exile | Oct 19 2025 19:33 utc | 16 “vladimir putins hackers” just “hacked” 8 british bases and posted files on the dark web, according to perfidious albion. a “catastrophic” attack! Posted by: J | Oct 19 2025 19:34 utc | 17 Posted by: Mike R | Oct 19 2025 15:15 utc | 6 Posted by: duck n cover | Oct 19 2025 19:56 utc | 18 the lives of the Ukrainians mean no more than the Gazans. or Iranians. or Yemenis. and when do we in the US actually hear about the total number of casualties within Israel, among the Zionazi Western proxy forces? Posted by: duck n cover | Oct 19 2025 20:01 utc | 19 Funny short AI video: ‘Russia running out of videos’. Posted by: unimperator | Oct 19 2025 20:08 utc | 20 @20 Posted by: unimperator | Oct 19 2025 20:10 utc | 21 It would be nice if some of the commenters here had some self-awareness and learned from the Tomahoax episode. Somehow, I doubt it. They’ll keep on repeating the tired old “NATO always escalates” trope without any deep analysis or consideration of the facts. Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Oct 19 2025 20:30 utc | 22 The fact is that the US could easily have fired tomahawks from a navy ship in the Baltic Sea but they haven’t. If they were such a game changer, why not? Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Oct 19 2025 20:30 utc | 22 Posted by: JustSomeOldGuy | Oct 19 2025 20:43 utc | 23 Bummer. Trump “chickened out” rather then end civilization like a strong and resolute Democrat would. So disappointing. I sure hope you MAGA chuds learned your lesson and vote for Kamala “Giggle Whore” Harris next time! If you’d have voted for her last time then we wouldn’t be talking about this now… or indeed talking about much of anything except for which way the fallout is falling today. Posted by: William Gruff | Oct 19 2025 20:48 utc | 24 Looks like Article 5 NATO has been detained in Ukraine and eastern Ukraine has once again become Russian? Posted by: snake | Oct 19 2025 21:16 utc | 25 oohhh…intelslava says Posted by: Jo | Oct 19 2025 21:31 utc | 26 Sorry this is long, but I’m mostly quoting from much longer pieces. I’ll do it in 3 parts if that helps. Posted by: DunGroanin | Oct 19 2025 21:41 utc | 27 — Ukranian MP Skorokhod Posted by: DunGroanin | Oct 19 2025 21:44 utc | 28 Finally this: The demilitarisation will come from the trials of such commanders and politicians – presumably they will be annoyed with their natzio directors – who will live the remainder of their lives avoiding the vengeance of the betrayed banderists. Not all of whom will have filled their boots and gone to live in Florida with their tattoos. Posted by: DunGroanin | Oct 19 2025 21:50 utc | 29 Posted by: steel_porcupine | Oct 19 2025 17:09 utc | 11 Posted by: Milites | Oct 19 2025 22:19 utc | 31 Posted by: English Outsider | Oct 19 2025 16:01 utc | 7 Posted by: Milites | Oct 19 2025 22:42 utc | 32 So we’ve done the full the Orange King TACO’s circuit again with the Tomahawks, and Zelensky continues to play the Black Knight from Monty Python’s Holy Grail. Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Oct 19 2025 23:02 utc | 33 Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Oct 19 2025 23:02 utc | 33 Posted by: Milites | Oct 19 2025 23:15 utc | 34 The systems given to Ukraine can disperse up to 10km from the radar, so these are not fish in a barrel targets and any aerial surveillance can be targeted by the launchers. Posted by: TJandTheBear | Oct 19 2025 23:19 utc | 35 How can you paste a link to external media? I wanted to show the Zelensky interview with NBC news, the guys crushed. He really had been led to believe that he’d get his missiles, I wonder what promises he’d made in anticipation of their arrival and will those interested parties be as sympathetic about his plight as Welker? Somehow I doubt it. Posted by: Milites | Oct 19 2025 23:23 utc | 36
Posted by: Nervous German | Oct 19 2025 23:26 utc | 37 King Donald posted himself shitting on his own people at the No Kings protests on his Truth Social media. https://x.com/LauraLoomer/status/1979754846090834014 Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Oct 19 2025 23:27 utc | 38 I feel like Mercouris has evolved considerably in his assessment of the conflict and observes that it is a direct conflict between the US and Russia and that both US and Russia are evading the point that the actual negotiations that matter are those between the US and Russia – Ukraine is secondary. Posted by: jared | Oct 19 2025 23:29 utc | 39
You are not an American, are you? Posted by: Nervous German | Oct 19 2025 23:31 utc | 40 Posted by: Milites | Oct 19 2025 23:15 utc | 34 Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Oct 19 2025 23:36 utc | 41 Posted by: Nervous German | Oct 19 2025 23:31 utc | 40 Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Oct 19 2025 23:38 utc | 42
And? What’s your point?
Projection? Posted by: Nervous German | Oct 19 2025 23:39 utc | 43 Posted by: Nervous German | Oct 19 2025 23:39 utc | 43 Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Oct 19 2025 23:45 utc | 44 Posted by: Nervous German | Oct 19 2025 23:39 utc | 43 Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Oct 19 2025 23:48 utc | 45
You lose your composure quite quickly. Please continue 🙂 Posted by: Nervous German | Oct 19 2025 23:52 utc | 46 Posted by: Nervous German | Oct 19 2025 23:52 utc | 46 Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Oct 19 2025 23:55 utc | 47 GeorgeWendell @38 Posted by: William Gruff | Oct 19 2025 23:56 utc | 48 Posted by: English Outsider | Oct 19 2025 16:01 utc | 7 Posted by: (Usually) Silent observer | Oct 20 2025 0:01 utc | 49
This one’s for you: https://x.com/jeffhunt/status/1979554731782729920 😂 Posted by: Nervous German | Oct 20 2025 0:08 utc | 50 Martyanov has an article up where Russian experts demolishes Gilbert Doctorow’s analysis re the mood in Russia. Posted by: Suresh | Oct 20 2025 0:19 utc | 51 @50, should have added and why Russia must achieve outright victory. Posted by: Suresh | Oct 20 2025 0:22 utc | 52 “TACO Tuesday always happens on a Monday” – Sean Foo YT Posted by: Suresh | Oct 20 2025 0:27 utc | 53 DJT demanded that Ukraine submit to Vladimir Putin’s peace terms or face destruction in an angry meeting at the White House on Friday, it has emerged, per The Telegraph (Brit online newspaper) and also the FT. Posted by: steel_porcupine | Oct 20 2025 0:33 utc | 54 Posted by: Nervous German | Oct 20 2025 0:08 utc | 49 Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Oct 20 2025 0:34 utc | 55 Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Oct 19 2025 23:36 utc | 41 Posted by: Milites | Oct 20 2025 0:35 utc | 56 Alexander Mercouris: ‘Kiev military crisis badly worsens’ Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 20 2025 0:36 utc | 57
Posted by: Poslan1 | Oct 20 2025 0:39 utc | 58 Posted by: William Gruff | Oct 19 2025 23:56 utc | 48 Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Oct 20 2025 0:40 utc | 59 NATO’s Nuclear Threats On Parade Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 20 2025 0:44 utc | 60 “Of course it will be funny until a lump of shite falls on your face.” Posted by: William Gruff | Oct 20 2025 0:46 utc | 61 NATO’s Nuclear Threats on Parade (corrected) Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 20 2025 0:47 utc | 62 Posted by: Milites | Oct 20 2025 0:35 utc | 55 Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Oct 20 2025 0:51 utc | 63 Posted by: William Gruff | Oct 20 2025 0:46 utc | 60 Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Oct 20 2025 0:55 utc | 64 “DJT demanded that Ukraine submit to Vladimir Putin’s peace terms or face destruction in an angry meeting at the White House on Friday, it has emerged, per The Telegraph (Brit online newspaper) and also the FT.” Posted by: Call it what u will | Oct 20 2025 0:55 utc | 65 Posted by: steel_porcupine | Oct 20 2025 0:33 utc | 53 Posted by: Milites | Oct 20 2025 0:59 utc | 66 Posted by: Milites | Oct 20 2025 0:59 utc | 65 Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Oct 20 2025 1:15 utc | 67 trump is still posing as a humanitarian. Utterly fake! Posted by: paddy | Oct 20 2025 1:32 utc | 68 You gentleman can all give it a rest now, if you don’t mind. Posted by: the pessimist | Oct 20 2025 1:38 utc | 69
Posted by: ThouShalt | Oct 20 2025 1:50 utc | 70 Posted by: rk | Oct 19 2025 16:20 utc | 8 Posted by: English Outsider | Oct 20 2025 2:05 utc | 71 I believe Surovikin made the correct choice. Posted by: Don Firineach | Oct 20 2025 2:13 utc | 72 TPP Stands For Trump-Putin, Peace & The Proof of the Pudding – Anticipating The Menu At the Budapest Summit Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 20 2025 2:15 utc | 73 Posted by: steel_porcupine | Oct 20 2025 0:33 utc | 53 NYTs Russia’s recent aggression toward NATO shows that Russia’s war in Ukraine is about much more than Ukraine. It is about Mr. Putin’s revanchist ambitions in Europe Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Oct 19 2025 23:27 utc | 38 Posted by: Paranaense | Oct 20 2025 3:50 utc | 77 Posted by: Nervous German | Oct 19 2025 23:52 utc | 46 Posted by: Paranaense | Oct 20 2025 3:55 utc | 78 Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Oct 20 2025 0:40 utc | 58 Posted by: Paranaense | Oct 20 2025 4:16 utc | 79 Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Oct 20 2025 0:51 utc | 62 Posted by: Paranaense | Oct 20 2025 4:30 utc | 80 Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 20 2025 2:15 utc | 72 Posted by: Don Firineach | Oct 20 2025 2:13 utc | 71 Posted by: Paranaense | Oct 20 2025 4:43 utc | 82 Posted by: dodger | Oct 20 2025 2:48 utc | 75 Posted by: Paranaense | Oct 20 2025 4:59 utc | 83 Posted by: Paranaense | Oct 20 2025 4:59 utc | 82 Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Oct 20 2025 5:02 utc | 84 @Paranaense, dodger, English Outsider, suresh: 💯
Among other “special” tasks on the continent, we may presume. Posted by: Nervous German | Oct 20 2025 5:09 utc | 85 Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Oct 20 2025 5:02 utc | 83 Posted by: Paranaense | Oct 20 2025 5:12 utc | 86 Posted by: Paranaense | Oct 20 2025 5:12 utc | 85 Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Oct 20 2025 5:35 utc | 87 A lot of MAGA Donald defending here today and I’d say that is mainly because he gave up on the Tomahawks. Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Oct 20 2025 5:43 utc | 89
There are strong indicators to support the claim. Trump even was banned from SAG, the Screen Actors Guild, which he had joined in 1989, for “inciting violence” and “harming members” in light of the Jan 6 events. Trump may have many faults and many billionaire buddies, but many enemies in the uniparty club that has been running Washington, DC — or: the swamp — ever since Eisenhower warned the public about the MIC. Posted by: Nervous German | Oct 20 2025 5:46 utc | 90
Tomahawks were only the latest carrot on the stick to hedge the rabid anti-Russia establishment with their war-mongering “allies” aka “Coalition of the Willing but Incapable”. Posted by: Nervous German | Oct 20 2025 5:50 utc | 91 Posted by: Soviético | Oct 20 2025 5:38 utc | 87 Posted by: Paranaense | Oct 20 2025 5:53 utc | 92 Posted by: Paranaense | Oct 20 2025 5:53 utc | 92 Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Oct 20 2025 6:51 utc | 93 Paranaense Posted by: Soviético | Oct 20 2025 7:06 utc | 94 More of that “The Establishment attacks Trump to make him more popular!” retardation. If the system pigs could really pull off reverse psychology like that then why don’t they do it to salvage the popularity of other politicians? Starmer, Macroon, and Merz could really use a boost right now, as examples. Posted by: William Gruff | Oct 20 2025 7:22 utc | 95 Garland Nixon: EU clowns face defeat? Posted by: unimperator | Oct 20 2025 7:28 utc | 96 Former British diplomat that authorized sanctions packages against Russia in 2022, Ian Proud, came around to our side. Proof of intelligent life in the islands? Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Oct 20 2025 7:35 utc | 97 Posted by: William Gruff | Oct 20 2025 7:22 utc | 95 Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Oct 20 2025 7:38 utc | 98 Willian. Posted by: Soviético | Oct 20 2025 7:42 utc | 99
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