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October 12, 2025
Ukraine Open Thread 2025-237
News & views related to the war in Ukraine …
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DJT message to Volo the First – no Tomahawks for you………sign the surrender agreement and make it happen quickly too…. Posted by: tobias cole | Oct 14 2025 21:21 utc | 201 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Oct 14 2025 17:12 utc | 200 Posted by: ed4 | Oct 14 2025 21:24 utc | 202
🇺🇸🏴☠️🇺🇦 The USA will make a major announcement tomorrow regarding arms supplies to Ukraine, said the US permanent representative to NATO, Matthew Whitaker, at a press conference.In his opinion, Southern European countries should more actively provide military support to Ukraine, especially within the framework of the alliance’s special PURL program, which involves the purchase of American weapons at the expense of European countries.
🇺🇸🏴☠️👉🇪🇸 Trump threatened Spain with import tariffs for refusing to increase defense spending to 5%. Posted by: Jo | Oct 14 2025 21:33 utc | 203 @ ed4 | Oct 14 2025 21:24 utc | 205 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Oct 14 2025 21:33 utc | 204 Should’ve added, whatever the numbers currently are, it is still a prototype development and evaluation programme, subject to all manner of influences and changes; nobody has a contract for production that would give enough headroom for some systems to be “donated” to Ukraine. Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Oct 14 2025 21:40 utc | 205 And a further addendum (sorry folks), why in the world is the US still messing about with 1980s tech? Surely it should be sharply focussed on trying to close the Zircon gap, the Kinzhal chasm, and the Oreshnik abyss? Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Oct 14 2025 21:46 utc | 206 @Glenn_Diesen · ‘”Surprising’ drop in military aid to Ukraine in recent months, report says” Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 14 2025 21:57 utc | 207 Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Oct 14 2025 21:46 utc | 209 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 14 2025 22:03 utc | 208 🏁🏴☠️🇺🇸👉🇷🇺 According to NATO Secretary General Rutte, shooting down Russian planes would mean an “act of weakness” .
Posted by: Jo | Oct 14 2025 22:11 utc | 209 🇩🇪🫢Head of the Federal Intelligence Service of Germany, Jaeger, on the fact that Russia can start a war with Europe “at any moment”. Posted by: Jo | Oct 14 2025 22:42 utc | 210 Tomahawk missiles in Ukraine is exactly the same scenario as the Cuban Missile incident, but in reverse. Posted by: HERMIUS | Oct 14 2025 22:46 utc | 211 🇪🇺 “This will be a natural disaster.”
Posted by: Jo | Oct 14 2025 22:49 utc | 212 The Financial Times quotes the head of Poland’s National Security Bureau, Sławomir Sienkiewicz, who claims that Russia allegedly pays the perpetrators of sabotage operations in the European Union with cryptocurrency. Naturally, the Pole provides no evidence. Ukraine watch Posted by: Jo | Oct 14 2025 22:56 utc | 213 Grrr… will barflies please stop with this overblown Tomahawk hysteria? Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Oct 14 2025 22:59 utc | 214 From Reuters
Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 14 2025 23:18 utc | 215 Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Oct 14 2025 22:59 utc | 217 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 14 2025 23:42 utc | 216 psychohistorian | Oct 14 2025 23:18 utc | 218 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 14 2025 23:50 utc | 217 The way the U.S., a purported mediator in the war in Ukraine, plans to gain leverage over Russia is by attacking pre-2014 Russia, primarily civilian areas of Moscow and Saint Petersburg w/ Tomahawk missiles, in order to force Russia to capitulate on terms favorable to NATO warmongers and Ukraine. Posted by: steel_porcupine | Oct 15 2025 0:08 utc | 218 Posted by: steel_porcupine | Oct 15 2025 0:08 utc | 221 Posted by: steel_porcupine | Oct 15 2025 0:26 utc | 219 Russia can moreover lift whatever restrictions it has….. on the supply of weapons/support Russia has been willing to give to its own friends & allies, whether that’s Venezuela and Cuba or Iran. Resident Resident Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 15 2025 1:01 utc | 221 Posted by: steel_porcupine | Oct 15 2025 0:26 utc | 222 Posted by: steel_porcupine | Oct 15 2025 1:03 utc | 222 Posted by: steel_porcupine | Oct 15 2025 1:03 utc | 225 Posted by: steel_porcupine | Oct 15 2025 1:20 utc | 223 Apparently the cadet schools in the soviet union and now Russia have a much higher level of maths than the ordinary schools. Posted by: General Factotum | Oct 15 2025 1:35 utc | 224 General Factotum | Oct 15 2025 1:35 utc | 227 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 15 2025 1:43 utc | 225 ‘From where I sit, my great grandparents lay in graves to the right of me and a road named after some forebears is to the right of me. I assume this is where I will die.’ Peter, it sounds like you are in a good place. Bless you. — ‘You , obviously, haven’t studied Russian history.’ No, I haven’t. History is imporant obviously. It is also often largely controlled by those presently in power in their interest. The politicians are the actors for those with the power. — ‘The point of the war is to destroy Russia and take all its stuff.’ I do not believe that to be the case. I believe the point of the war is to secure Ukraine for Zionists. The plan is to also control whatever resources and fertile ground and what have you that formerly weren’t entirely controlled by Zionists. ‘That is unchanged since Truman started the project in 1945.’ Much has transpired since 1945. Truman, incidentally, was funded and, if not outright controlled by Zionists the way pols are today, he was nevertheless very Zionist-friendly. Eisenhower de-Zionized to some degree. JFK couldn’t stand them, he wouldn’t do what they wanted…and they killed him. ‘Brian Berletic and Eric Zuesse have pointed this out over and over.’ Yes. And it became tiresome a long time ago. They may want to focus more on what James Petras has called the Zionist Power Configuration and all its machinations the world over. This is where the real action is at, so to speak. Structurally, CIA-RAND-Pentagon et al sit below this power domain and they operate largely in its interests. — ‘Of course there is a very high approval of Putin in Russia and I’ve seen it but I also have seen that there are many people who are not willing to share their opinions and you know I’ve been interacting with quite a lot of people.’ https://inv.nadeko.net/AFO0RrumpLo?t=168 — The plan for Ukraine parallels Eretz Israel in its own way and is being carried out by the same group of people. Here is what arch-Zionist Nahum Goldmann said about Palestine: ‘The Jews might have had Uganda, Madagascar, and other places for the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nahum_Goldmann Ukraine is of course a very similar geopolitical crossroad on The Grand Chessboaard with lots and lots of Jewish history to boot. — ‘There is no Jewish Federation. We are the Jewish Federation. There is no ADL. We are the ADL. There is no AJC. We are the AJC. Judaism in Russia is run 98 percent by Chabad. It is the most amazing Jewish community that I’ve ever been to in my life… And everything in the city is run by Jews. The shopping centers are owned by Jews, the airlines – both airlines – are owned by Jews, the banks are owned by Jews, the gas stations are owned by Jews…the whole downtown, everything is owned by an oligarch. One of the other elements for the ‘success’ of Judaism in Russia, even though he’s not so popular right now in the United States, has been the friendship to ‘the Jewish world’ of the president of Russia which is Vladimir Putin. And you have to ask yourselves why is this so? I heard a great line from a Jewish professor of mathematics and he said ‘Putin may not be good for Russia but he is definitely good for the Jews of Russia.’ Why is Putin good for the Jews of Russia?… https://inv.nadeko.net/watch?v=hdeWZB4xnZw&t=435 https://inv.nadeko.net/watch?v=hdeWZB4xnZw&t=435 Chabad Lubavitch is the Russian equivalent of the Jewish Lobby or what has morphed into ‘the Israel Lobby’ here in the US – it used to be called the Jewish Lobby even by Jews. It has virtually the same power inside Russia and it works with the majority of the other Jewish organizations around the world which, with scant exceptions, are all some shade of Zionist Jewish Supremacist. Posted by: Dan Kelly | Oct 15 2025 1:44 utc | 226 Thats interesting about the levels of the entry exams in China and Russia… Posted by: General Factotum | Oct 15 2025 4:35 utc | 227
It was well understood in Russia that signing the Bologna Convention was pushed through legislation with the only goal – so that the shipskins that Russian wealthy and powerful have had bought for their kids would be freely accepted elsewhere in the world, where those said kids would want to emigrate. As the role of the of the Oligarh in Russia has diminished, and most of them indeed emigrated together with their kids, this decision was rolled back. Posted by: Poslan1 | Oct 15 2025 4:57 utc | 228
https://x.com/MyLordBebo/status/1978333570369208794 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 15 2025 6:56 utc | 229 General Factotum | Oct 15 2025 4:35 utc | 230 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 15 2025 7:04 utc | 230 Re: Russian Citizenship ? Posted by: exile | Oct 15 2025 7:16 utc | 231
Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Oct 15 2025 7:33 utc | 232 Posted by: too scents | Oct 15 2025 8:13 utc | 233 Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Oct 15 2025 7:33 utc | 235 EU spokesperson says Russia must pay for reconstruction of Ukraine – but when asked if Israel must pay for reconstruction of Gaza – she declines to answer that question. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Oct 15 2025 9:22 utc | 235
Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Oct 15 2025 9:45 utc | 236 As the role of the of the Oligarh in Russia has diminished, and most of them indeed emigrated together with their kids, this decision was rolled back. Posted by: General Factotum | Oct 15 2025 10:16 utc | 237 There are widespread reports about EU arms aid to Ukraine suffering severe disruptions.. That means AFU will be buckling and struggling more everywhere. I think we are seeing the collapse of Gulyapole and Pokrovsk soon, opening the road to Pavlograd, and causing the isolation of Zaporozhye against the river. Posted by: unimperator | Oct 15 2025 10:20 utc | 238 allegedly Ukraine will Posted by: Jo | Oct 15 2025 10:28 utc | 239
Posted by: Poslan1 | Oct 15 2025 10:30 utc | 240 I graduated in 1985, my daughter in 2007, so all the first-hand experience is outdated. Posted by: Poslan1 | Oct 15 2025 10:31 utc | 241
That does seem to be the way its going … if any mid level academic tries to get strict on the marking, the students complain one level up and they get whatever extra marks they need.
Always difficult making cross-generational value judgements … if you want to make the correct but rather weak statement that the future will be different to the past, and what cannot continue won’t continue … then fine. Posted by: Tel | Oct 15 2025 10:41 utc | 242 Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Oct 15 2025 9:45 utc | 239
Could you cite those solid reasons? Why couldn’t 3rd countries with ground launchers send them off to Ukraine as was done with other heavy weaponry? Posted by: robin | Oct 15 2025 10:49 utc | 243 Nato is Posted by: Jo | Oct 15 2025 10:50 utc | 244 BellingCrap is saying the SBU presented ‘Russian passport’ of Odessa is fake. The rats are eating each other. Posted by: unimperator | Oct 15 2025 10:50 utc | 245 The rhetoric in the West has reached a sort of bravado saturation. No one can tell whether what they say is real threats, or empty talk. Can often lead to underestimation of real situation, if you hear too many wolves crying. Posted by: Call it what u will | Oct 15 2025 11:01 utc | 246 However, the stronger statement, that the future will be measurably worse than the past is unproven IMHO. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 15 2025 11:10 utc | 247 @ Jo | Oct 15 2025 10:50 utc | 247 Posted by: robin | Oct 15 2025 11:23 utc | 248 I agree the concept of a University is well passes its use by date. My suggestion https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/hegseth-urges-allies-boost-spending-us-weapons-kyiv-2025-10-15/ Posted by: Savonarole | Oct 15 2025 11:28 utc | 250 Posted by: Savonarole | Oct 15 2025 11:28 utc | 253 Ha-ha, Nato brings to mind an auction held by Harry’s Automobiles For Suckers Inc. Low-cost and high quality Detroit steel Ford Pinto for sale. Posted by: unimperator | Oct 15 2025 11:46 utc | 251 A 1,000 Neo-Nazi troops have surrendered trapped in the city. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Oct 15 2025 11:59 utc | 252 Posted by: Jo | Oct 15 2025 10:28 utc | 242 Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Oct 15 2025 12:17 utc | 253 I agree the concept of a University is well passes its use by date. Posted by: too scents | Oct 15 2025 12:31 utc | 254 It seems that some innocent and peaceful natzio warriors special forces are doomed to accidentally demise in the latest ‘games’ on the RF borders … 🇱🇻Today in Latvia, the next NATO military exercises have begun The “Resolute Warrior” maneuvers will take place in Vidzeme, Zemgale, and Latgale. They will last about a month – until November 12. Military equipment will be actively moving on the roads between the exercise sites and Adazi; drivers are asked to be cautious. Baltnews Posted by: DunGroanin | Oct 15 2025 12:40 utc | 255 Putin meeting with Jolani. As always spoke as the diplomat, but body language completely different. Fidgeting around, didn’t look at him a lot. I think Putin would have rather had someone take him out the back and shoot him. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 15 2025 12:41 utc | 256 @ Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Oct 15 2025 12:17 utc | 256 Posted by: DunGroanin | Oct 15 2025 12:55 utc | 257 Canada cancels $150-250M program to donate 25 LAV armored carriers to Ukraine. But the money was already spent on… white powder..? Posted by: unimperator | Oct 15 2025 13:05 utc | 258 “A 1,000 Neo-Nazi troops have surrendered trapped in the city.” Posted by: Republicofscotland | Oct 15 2025 13:19 utc | 259 🇺🇦Get ready for the new Ukraine: the country needs 10 million migrants– “After the war ends, we will need to bring in about 10 million labor migrants,” says Zelensky’s office advisor Milovanov. Posted by: Truthsayer | Oct 15 2025 13:34 utc | 260 Jo 239 – General Keane is a neo con deep state operative and the star military analyst on Fox News, also the chief “consultant” in the 1995 massacre by the Croatans of the Serb population in the Krajina during operation “Storm”. Posted by: tobias cole | Oct 15 2025 13:35 utc | 261 Peter AU1@256……come on, seriously, Putin can’t even handle Tiny Dancer, who dances rings around him daily……and then he meets with Joboba the Faux of Syria, talk about dumb move, funny though, I expect Joboba was signing off on his share of Putin’s Tiki Bar at Trump Plaza Gaza……. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Oct 15 2025 14:56 utc | 262 Posted by: unimperator | Oct 15 2025 13:05 utc | 258 Posted by: canuk | Oct 15 2025 15:48 utc | 263 Putin has degenerated into a new Gorbachev; this is not just Peskov’s nonsense.While Medvedev or Zakharova take the rap for Putin’s fckups, he continues to lick Trump’s shoes and raise taxes. Call me a fatalist, but I think Putin has become too pathetic and weak for politics. Posted by: Pazific V | Oct 15 2025 15:52 utc | 264 “Canada is fucked economically, culturally, politically and morally..” Posted by: Republicofscotland | Oct 15 2025 15:54 utc | 265 Peter AU1 (256). Posted by: Republicofscotland | Oct 15 2025 15:59 utc | 266
The reason some of us are trembling with fear is every single time Zelensky expresses wishes, they are first denied, then delivered. And it doesn’t even take long. We’re not that rational … Posted by: Avtonom | Oct 15 2025 16:08 utc | 267 Posted by: Avtonom | Oct 15 2025 16:08 utc | 267 Posted by: Caveman | Oct 15 2025 16:13 utc | 268 Posted by: DunGroanin | Oct 15 2025 12:55 utc | 257 Posted by: Milites | Oct 15 2025 16:30 utc | 269 @ Posted by: Milites | Oct 15 2025 16:30 utc | 269 Posted by: DunGroanin | Oct 16 2025 6:42 utc | 270 |
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