@99 English Outsider
 
Really great comment.  I have made very few attempts to try and explain just a little of what is going on in Ukraine.  It’s disheartening.  Not even clear where I would start in explaining what is going on there.  And everyone around me is ONE HUNDRED PERCENT SURE that their false narratives are true.
 
The line I will be going with going forward is something like this:  For Hamas in Palestine and for Russia in Ukraine, Americans and Europeans have one narrative about how the war started, The rest of the world has an entirely different one.  Don’t worry about what their narrative really is.  Just know that just like you know that US/Ukraine are the good guys and Russia is the bad guy that started it, a huge percentage of humans throughout the world think just the opposite.  Note that few nations have joined in US sanctions on Russia, even after we put tons of pressure on them, and that in large parts of the world, Iran is admired for standing up to Israeli and US sucker punches.
 
They won’t like it.  They will repeat the propaganda they have been fed.  Hopefully the part that will stick is that they DO know (I think) that lots of nations are not sanctioning Russia.
 
 

Posted by: Woke American | Oct 13 2025 14:34 utc | 103

@ Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Oct 13 2025 13:41 utc | 98
“ One wonders though, why won’t they just work for the cartels? “
 
How do you know they DONT work for the cartels.
The cartels have long been CIA/Air America types for many many decades. 
 
I posted last week about coachloads of Colombians who are mercenaries working for Private Military Companies- many of which were set up in Poland. Begging their president to get them back home!
 
That is why Poland is the ‘frontline’ for natzios attack on destroying Russia and all things russophobic. There must be thousands, tens of thousands of such PMC boots on the ground. Getting minced means it’s not obvious the numbers dying. If the tens of thousands of such reported ‘Poles’ by RF reports are to be believed.
 
‘ dana
@dana916
2h
🇵🇱⚔️🇷🇺 Poland strengthens its army fearing the Russian threat — WSJ
 
▪️ Poland has become the largest NATO army in Europe and increased military spending to 4.7% of GDP.
▪️ The country purchased American weapons worth $50 billion, created new divisions and territorial troops, and is conducting large-scale exercises with allies.
▪️ These measures are aimed at protecting the country and NATO’s eastern flank amid “growing Russian aggression.”
RVvoenkor
Oct 13, 2025 · 11:21 AM UTC ‘
 
——-
 
Only the Turks can supply the requisite millions of boots on the ground to invade Crimea and attack RF from its natzio bases.
But they seem to be warned enough to not risk it.  Whether it’s their enrolled men or some officers who have made it clear the soldiers are not so russophobic. Erdo and the generals and their natzio masters in WasNeverReal/City/DC can’t force them to be as dumb as the khokol sacrificials Or the dumbest pollacks! 

Posted by: DunGroanin | Oct 13 2025 14:49 utc | 105

So there is no fuel problem in Russia?
Posted by: ed4 | Oct 13 2025 14:41 utc | 103

 
You keep asking the same question over and over again, wishing for an an answer that would fit your Ukie cheerleading bias.
The only problem with fuel in Russia is that it’s much more profitable to sell her carbohidrates abroad than inside the country where home prices are regulated by the State. Normally, the State solves this problem by applying excise taxes and almost always it suffices.
Almost – because every summer and the beginnin of fall when harvest begins and people start driving home from their vacations in the regions, in those regions indeed after local administrations reserve the fuel for harvest, the private travellers indeed have to wait in lines. I have had cars for 40 years and every year it was the same – fall comes and in faraway regions car lines at the filling stations do appear.
My reply is not for you, because you are not intrested in information, you look only for confirmation of your bias. My reply is for those who want to know how things in Russia really are.

Posted by: Poslan1 | Oct 13 2025 15:03 utc | 107

And with impeccable timing, Mother Nature weighs in: 

Ukraine will be covered by a sharp cold snap: the thermometer will drop to +2

Tuesday will be cold in Ukraine
 

This is reported by RegioNews with reference to the forecast of Natalia Didenko.
 
According to her, only +2 is expected next night…+6 degrees, and tomorrow afternoon +6…+10 degrees.
 
In the central part and in the east, the air will warm up to + 8…+12, in the south of Ukraine it will be+12 … + 16 degrees.
 
Light rains will occur in most areas.
 
In Kiev, on October 14, it will be cloudy, with light rain in some places. At night, +2 is expected in the capital … +4 degrees, during the day about + 8 degrees.

https://regionews.ua/ukr/news/ukraine/1760363751-ukrayinu-nakrie-rizke-poholodannya-stovpchiki-termometriv-opustyatsya-do-2 (via translation add-on.)

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Oct 13 2025 15:11 utc | 109

“The depopulation of the Russian population in 404 is accelerating… Who will inhabit this beautiful empty space, full of raw materials, in the future? Questions upon questions… It would be a fantastic question to pose to the Jewish-neoliberal Trojan horse on one of these idiotic “forums”… For example, the forum of the United Russian Proctologists.”
Posted by: Brigitte Mohnhaupt | Oct 13 2025 13:04 utc | 92
 
Who will inhabit? Won’t be you, fraulein.

Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Oct 13 2025 15:25 utc | 111

“…agree with you if you say our education system isn’t what it could be.   But…when the information’s [mainstream/unavoidably-obvious] few go along with the mayhem the governments of the West are stirring up around the planet.  The problem is not us.  It’s the information we get or fail to get…”  – English Outsider  99
 
What you say is true, we swim in a sea..a sewer really..of propaganda.  I too have friends who are both good/smart that have been purposely misinformed on foreign affairs by the 3LA’s-mockingbirds.  Unlike many people here who seek to convince by heaping derision on those that they disagree with, I try to mentor my friends without disparagement.  It’s not their fault, they’ve been lied to, acting like some kind of übermensch isn’t going to rectify the problem, it just makes them more recalcitrant.
 
I was taught by my father and some notable teachers how to question…particularly when a “narrative” seems too pat, too convenient.  Also, I had a fair amount of teachers who broadened history from the Eurocentric format to include Asiatic countries/cultures/empires…simply put, the context of the modern world.  It was an education that taught me how to ask “cui bono”.  An education that taught me how to read a newspaper, why the late Friday/Saturday editions hid the truth in plain sight, hint, few read them.  Then there was the endless revelations of the 60-70’s that reinforced my father/teacher’s admonitions to me. 
 
Both my father and those teachers taught me how to teach myself.  It was a bleak time, entombed in a dark corner of a dysfunctional family.  It was this skill set that filtered out the “gaslight”, it allowed me to see and follow the narrow slit of light that led outward.  It was this education, this skill set that exhumed me from a very dark place.  Being taught how to teach yourself, to question yourself and others, to correct yourself is key to a functioning society and redemption at a personal level. 
 
This “education” I talk about isn’t that “free-thinking” bullshit, not that using one’s imagination is a bad thing if it’s sieved through the screen of reason.  No, not “free-think”, this is the disciplining the mind to reason through/around/over an obstacle,  a vexing problem, a deception.  And once learned and practiced “it’s as easy as your ABCs” with all the due apologies to Gordon Sumner. 
 
So yes EO, you’re correct but…demanding that all the chirping and screeching coming from Langley/MI-6’s mockingbirds end is not the hill to die on.  Learning how to filter out the cacophony of the ever present mockingbird[s] or least, suspending belief until what is being told is reasonable/verifiable is a teachable skill, something that can be learned by every child, by every adult.

Posted by: S Brennan | Oct 13 2025 17:05 utc | 113

If you look at the big map, it’s apparent not only Zaporozhye but the Dnepropetrovsk front has collapsed. AFU has no chance of preventing RUAF getting to the gates of Pavlograd and eventually Dnepropetrovsk.

Posted by: unimperator | Oct 13 2025 19:35 utc | 115

Andrei Martyanov has posted this: https://smoothiex12.blogspot.com/2025/10/omega-issue-for-those.html looking into how many cruise missiles would be needed to take out just one Russian refinery.
 
He posted a map of the TANECO refinery with a scale; it‘s about the same size as the English city of Bath. Not something easily destroyed by a couple of toy-town drones.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Oct 13 2025 19:59 utc | 117

@ sean the leprechaun | Oct 13 2025 20:01 utc | 118
 
Yeeaahh, right!
 
You clearly have no comprehension of the sheer scale of the forces the West will need to carry that out, not to mention that the West doesn’t actually have those forces and won’t have them anytime soon, if ever.
 
Unless you are one of those nuke fetishists, in which case all bets for the Northern Hemisphere are void.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Oct 13 2025 20:15 utc | 119

RE: Posted by: Poslan1 | Oct 13 2025 15:03 utc | 107
 
I understand your post. Seems a ritual that the Kremlin then orders an export ban, tightening screws on (privatized) suppliers to furnish national interests first, and fill up reserves before being allowed to export again.
 
 I guess I don’t understand why Russians put up with this merry-go-round every year? And why does it have to get to the point of being so low in reserves that cars have to start lining up?
 
 I recognize these shortages are all certain provinces ect., not everywhere in Russia.
 
 I guess like everywhere else, they must have lousy Governances in those provinces that don’t do anything for their residents until their feet is in the fire.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 13 2025 20:41 utc | 121

For 110: RAF Igitt…Good One.Lol

Posted by: Nobody | Oct 13 2025 21:04 utc | 123

I see in the sidebar that name has been used a few times in the last hour or two, both at this thread and the current thread under b’s article.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 13 2025 21:12 utc | 125

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Oct 13 2025 19:59 utc | 117 
It is not a very good analysis.  It leaves out the effect of the carbon fiber warhead and any TLAM’s that might have submunitions.    And parts of a refinery are not easily repaired in a few days but are made up of specialized equipment that is all but custom built.  Only a handful of pieces of equipment need to be hit to stop production.  For example the cracker and the reforming units.
The analysis about ‘leakers’ is a joke.  It is clear that Russian AD allows a lot of leakers, even when tasked to shoot down relatively unsophisticated drones.   A fair number of which would likely be used at the same time as any TLAMs.
However, all that said I still think it is unlikely Ukraine will get TLAMs.  

Posted by: ed4 | Oct 13 2025 21:40 utc | 127

@ ed4 | Oct 13 2025 21:40 utc | 128
 
M’kay, how many handfuls of pieces of equipment are spread out across 16 square miles? Like the Irish garden gnome, I don’t think you fully comprehend the sheer scale.
 
As for this:

It is clear that Russian AD allows a lot of leakers

As usual you don’t provide any links to substantiate your claims, just like your mate @Julian.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Oct 13 2025 21:47 utc | 129

Sorry, #131 is Alastair Crooke not Berletic. Here’s the right url: ‘US Escalates its Proxy War’
 
https://BrianJBerletic/status/197780117398719722
 
 

Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 13 2025 22:26 utc | 131

Sheesh: Berletic…
 
https://x.com/BrianJBerletic/status/1977801173987197122

Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 13 2025 22:30 utc | 133

I can’t find the settlement of Daugther anywhere on a map of Ukraine…
 
I guess the nearest big city must be Covfefe?

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Oct 13 2025 22:56 utc | 135

@ Dan Kelly | Oct 13 2025 23:09 utc | 139
 
Well, to be sure, the gnome Himself never posts any links to back up his claims, but begorrah, to be sure, that there refinery is bigger than Cork, or Galway, or Limerick, to be sure…

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Oct 13 2025 23:20 utc | 137

Posted by: Dan Kelly | Oct 13 2025 23:09 utc | 139

 
The Russian army wasn’t really prepared to take on the (some claim) 700k strong Natokraine army in 2022. They however did a fantastic job creating a diversion north of Kiev, sucking Ukrainian reserves even from Donbass back to Kiev, which also disrupted AFU attack in Donbass, and prevented AFU from interfering in Mariupol and the land bridge formation.
 
Obviously after the diversion wore off, AFU again accumulated mass, first pushing back to Kherson (where they were slaughtered in crazy numbers against pre-positioned artillery zones) and then a cover offensive built up in Kharkov and crossing the Oskol river. RUAF had to continuously use their mobile ‘fire brigade’ tactics and mobile defense, which was very effective but also exhausting, the military command saw the limits and reformed brigade status to divisions. Russian units initially were heavy on artillery and firepower, but this turned out to be inadequate in a forming front war.
 
It took over 6 months before RUAF even properly began to gear up against the entire Nato.

Posted by: unimperator | Oct 13 2025 23:37 utc | 139

@Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Oct 13 2025 23:20 utc | 140

Simply consider that Russia remains one of the five core pillars of the UN-IMF system.

—

Russia would like to ‘develop’ the arctic with the US. Russia will supply the bulk of the heavy machinery.

https://sputnikglobe.com/20250805/russia-us-can-successfully-cooperate-in-arctic-putins-envoy-believes-1122554844.html

https://sputnikglobe.com/20250628/russias-future-lies-in-arctic-development—putin-1122356551.html

—

Russia would like to sell carbon credits to the member-states of the Goldman Sachs idea known as ‘BRICS’

https://www.akm.ru/eng/society/russia-will-propose-a-model-for-creating-a-single-market-for-brics-carbon-units-with-common-standard/

—

Putin appointed Kirill Dmitriev to lead Russia’s ‘sovereign wealth fund’ back in 2011.

Kirill Dmitriev is a Stanford Harvard Goldman Sachs WEF global leader guy born in Soviet Ukraine who is close to the Putin family.

Dmitriev has been a private equity destructor his entire career.

This is easily verifiable.

War is a racket.

Posted by: Dan Kelly | Oct 14 2025 0:00 utc | 141

‘Russia would like to sell carbon credits’

This isn’t the correct way to state it. Russia is interested in creating a ‘carbon market’ it will control exactly like the bullshit in the EU and US.

Within said market Russia may well sell credits, I do not know the ins and outs of these silly gimmicks although it would probably behoove me to learn a bit so as to better keep abreast of these wondrously devious financial creations.

Posted by: Dan Kelly | Oct 14 2025 0:33 utc | 143

Oct 14 2025 0:35 utc
If Russia does not start issuing ultimatums to Ukraine, this war will continue for a long time.The Russians could threaten to destroy entire cities in western Ukraine if their infrastructure is attacked, but with the proviso that they themselves will refrain from such attacks for a period of one week.
Dafür muss Putin …

Posted by: Oberbayer | Oct 14 2025 0:53 utc | 145

@Nobody Special | Oct 14 2025 1:06 utc | 149

I am just a dim-witted layperson.

You’ll have to look elsewhere for an answer to your question because – dimwit that I am – I didn’t even realize capturing Moscow was an objective.

The point of the war is the war.

Posted by: Dan Kelly | Oct 14 2025 1:16 utc | 147

Before the war began, Ukraine claimed a 40 million population.  Today Wikipedia claims 38 million, with 28 million living in Ukraine controlled territory. 
Considering Ukraine demographic charts and 38 million total…Ukraine has 1.2 million males from the ages 18 to 24.  If 73.68% of the males live on Ukraine territory, that would leave 884,000 males from ages 18-24.
Like many, I believe the 38 million population estimate is far too high. Thus the 884,000 males from ages 18-24 is too high.  Plus, Ukraine can’t draft all of the 18 through 24 age group.
My point?  If Ukraine lowers the conscription age to 18 that would buy Zelensky another year of war.  
 
 
 

Posted by: Fredrick | Oct 14 2025 1:59 utc | 149

Dan Kelly | Oct 14 2025 0:15 utc | 145
 
The Russian had Ukraine picked right. On the second day Zelendky’s government initiated negotiations. When Russia pulled back from Kiev, an agreement had been initialed by both sides. Then Bojo was helicoptered in.
 
Russia probably did not factor in the insanity of the Brits and Europeans.  Before He made a move, Putin had spent 22 years setting up Russia to be able to see of the US/Nato if they had to. Russia had the strategic depth come what may. With that negotiated agreement he had tried to save Ukraine from utter destruction.
 
With Bojo and Bucha, he set out to destroy Nato in Ukraine. Look at Europe now, a total mess. US largely split from Europe. US debt skyrocketing. Britain and France finance ministers saying the might need an IMF bail out. France – macron 14% approval rating massive disapproval rating and cant hold a government together. US internally a complete mess.
 
Russia has lost men since Bucha but compared to nuclear war?  The casualty ratio is now astronomical and in Russia’s favour.
The west refused Putins mutual security proposals. Now Russia is creating its own security largely at the expense of the insane west.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 14 2025 2:13 utc | 151

@Peter AU1 | Oct 14 2025 2:13 utc | 154

Thanks Peter. I appreciate your perspective.

Posted by: Dan Kelly | Oct 14 2025 3:04 utc | 153

‘To get full citizenship requires a good russian language, good knowledge of Russian history and culture’

I think you have to start young, Peter, as you say.

I would love to visit Russia. And pretty much everywhere on earth if I could.

I am ‘going down with the ship’ here in the US as it is a part of me, for better or worse. I don’t mean the government or the wider society but I enjoy the environments I’ve become accustomed to and I’m in my early 50’s now. If I were younger and I knew then what I know now I might look to emigrate.

Posted by: Dan Kelly | Oct 14 2025 3:23 utc | 155

but begorrah, to be sure, that there refinery is bigger than Cork, or Galway, or Limerick, to be sure…
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Oct 13 2025 23:20 utc | 140
 
 
*********************
 
 
Aye, to be sure to be sure, the Taneco Refinery  covers about 25 square miles (16,000 acres for the Texan maths challenged).
 
 
So, lots of redundancy, resilience, safety considerations; and more challenges for targeting or saturation rocketing/bombing.

Posted by: General Factotum | Oct 14 2025 4:58 utc | 157

‘I live (in a humble abode) among beauty, straight out of my back door, I’m in it, I could walk for hours in nature, undisturbed.’

I understand. I’m glad you’re home, Orson.

Posted by: Dan Kelly | Oct 14 2025 5:13 utc | 159

Trump will soon announce an American breakthrough in fusion energy. This will be a big thing and massive investment will pour into America.
 

Posted by: Bingo | Oct 14 2025 5:38 utc | 161

Right and right – right and left, road to the left of me.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 14 2025 5:57 utc | 163

juliania@159
 
The stockpiles of the stuff the US supplies to UA got depleted to 70%. The situation is not yet critical at the moment, but an action needs to be taken before it gets there.

Posted by: ArmChairGeneral | Oct 14 2025 6:35 utc | 165

No answer by Russia to USA coordinating attacks for Ukraine.  Paper tiger seems fair.  Yes Russia winning but USA sticking it to them with no repercussions 

Posted by: Ronakd | Oct 14 2025 8:38 utc | 167

dodger | Oct 14 2025 9:38 utc | 171
 
A lot of quiet diplomacy is occurring. Russia has the cards. Wait and watch.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 14 2025 10:05 utc | 169

Jeremy Rhymings-Lang@119…..just scaling up the time frame Britkrainia have given themselves to destroy, weaken, wreck or disrupt Russian international trade …..mainly focusing on their main bread winner…..energy production…..
 
Cheers M 

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Oct 14 2025 12:39 utc | 171

Posted by: Ronakd | Oct 14 2025 8:38 utc | 170
 
Trump is the paper tiger.  Where are the Tomahawks?  Why has China bent him over a table and performed an indecent act on him, with rare earths?

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Oct 14 2025 13:00 utc | 173

Posted by: Dan Kelly | Oct 14 2025 0:15 utc | 145
 
You , obviously, haven’t studied Russian history.
 
The Bear is clumsy and disoriented when he comes out of hibernation but when  he wakes up he is unstoppable: 1688-1709-21 years -that’s how long it took Russia to prevail over Sweden.
 
In WW2 in the early months (1941) of Operation Barbarossa the USSR lost literally  10’s of millions of men dead or wounded (1) yet they prevailed once again.
 
I would strongly suggest, Dan, that you read some history first before posting; in that fashion your posts will be much more valuable than the dross currently you espouse.
 
1.In 1941, Russia suffered approximately 6 million permanent losses (killed, captured, or disabled) and an additional 6 million wounded or sick soldiers during the German invasion, according to sources citing Soviet archives. These figures, which reflect the initial period of Operation Barbarossa, are broken down into roughly 2.3 million missing in action or captured, and around 1.3 million sick or wounded in addition to those who died in combat or from wounds.”

Posted by: canuk | Oct 14 2025 13:26 utc | 175

Posted by: canuk | Oct 14 2025 13:26 utc | 178
 
######
 
Where are those numbers from and how were they gathered?
 
There are many layers of epistemic depth you casually ignore in your haste to demonstrate “knowledge”.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 14 2025 13:52 utc | 177

Posted by: LoveDumbass | Oct 14 2025 13:52 utc | 180
 
Like usual, you don’t know what you are talking about but that certainly doesn’t stop you from pontificating::
 
“Southeast Australia has been getting hotter and drier. Droughts have lengthened, and temperatures regularly soar above 95 degrees F (35 degrees C). Bush fires abound. But somehow, its woodlands keep growing. One of the more extreme and volatile ecosystems on the planet is defying meteorology and becoming greener.
And Australia is far from alone. From Africa’s Sahel to arid western India, and the deserts of northern China to southern Africa, the story is the same. “Greening is happening in most of the drylands globally, despite increasing aridity,” says Jason Evans, a water-cycle researcher at the Climate Change Research Centre of the University of New South Wales in Sydney, Australia.
What is going on? The primary reason, most recent studies conclude, is the 50-percent rise in carbon dioxide concentrations in the atmosphere since pre-industrial times. This increased C02 is not just driving climate change, but also fast-tracking photosynthesis in plants. By allowing them to use scarce water more efficiently, the CO2-rich air fertilizes vegetation growth in even some of the driest places.” (1)
 
1.https://e360.yale.edu/features/greening-drylands-carbon-dioxide-climate-change

Posted by: canuk | Oct 14 2025 14:02 utc | 179

Putin needs to crush the Neo-Nazi dictatorship in Ukraine – he’ll not get a better chance.
 
“U.S. will only be able to deliver arround 20 to 50 Tomahawk missiles to Ukraine according to Financial Times. Previously Financial Times has also reported about Ukraine’s interception rate of Russian missiles dropping to just 6%, even with the U.S. Patriot system.”

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Oct 14 2025 14:31 utc | 181

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Oct 13 2025 22:35 utc | 136  “Just to add some further observations”
No matter how spread out a refinery is, there are only a few crucial parts.  As examples, how many Fluid Catalytic Cracking units or Hydrocrackers does a refinery have?  2 or 3 of each?  Then you need to hit no more than 4 to 6 spots no matter how widely spread out the refinery is.

Posted by: ed4 | Oct 14 2025 15:08 utc | 183

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 14 2025 2:13 utc | 154  “When Russia pulled back from Kiev, an agreement had been initialed by both sides”
Ah, the famous mysterious agreement.  “initialized”  Alas, it was never presented to the Ukrainian parliament for a vote so meaningless. 

Posted by: ed4 | Oct 14 2025 15:18 utc | 185

Posted by: canuk | Oct 14 2025 14:02 utc | 182 ##### “On top of operating multiple socks, you now post responses to arguments that were never made.”
 
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 14 2025 14:21 utc | 183
 
I have only one handle, Dumbass; as for you countering my arguments all you have is ad hominens which clearly illustrate you are seriously short if Intellectual Ammo (TM) and so, quintessentially, you are conceding the point.
 
Canuk for the win!

Posted by: canuk | Oct 14 2025 15:37 utc | 187

Posted by: ed4 | Oct 14 2025 15:14 utc | 187
If you are aware of the target before the strike, I doubt even 10% will get through, doubly so if the target set comprises one only type of specific industrial target. You don’t even need high tech AD, simply position barrage balloons across all the likely ingress routes of the missiles, whilst seeding them with microphones linked to sound detection equipment calibrated for their engine signature. When the sensors detect a target, barrage fire AAA, or use S-60’s firing proximity fused ammo. A lot cheaper than SAM’s and just as effective. 

Posted by: Milites | Oct 14 2025 16:21 utc | 189

Posted by: Milites | Oct 14 2025 16:21 utc | 192   “If you are aware of the target before the strike,”
Why are aren’t they doing this already to stop the drones?  If nothing else, it would be practice for something like the TLAMs.

Posted by: ed4 | Oct 14 2025 16:32 utc | 191

AFU 1560 casualties
Fresh marat update
https://maratkhairullin.substack.com/p/brief-frontline-report-october-14th
 
 

Posted by: Newbie | Oct 14 2025 16:39 utc | 193

Posted by: Michael J | Oct 14 2025 16:55 utc | 197
I had the same thoughts the other day when I saw that.  Still only a limited number in existence at the moment.

Posted by: ed4 | Oct 14 2025 17:05 utc | 195

The problem of ground based launchers for Tomahawks seems to have been solved.

Posted by: Michael J | Oct 14 2025 16:55 utc | 197
 
The problem isn’t solved until contracts are signed and deliveries are made; information notably lacking from what is basically a press release.
 
Note also:

The Oshkosh autonomous family is going up against Lockheed Martin’s family of Mark 41 VLS launchers like MRC and Mark 70 that offer Tomahawk launch capability to the U.S. Army and U.S. Navy from shore and austere environments.

which means an evaluation process between the different offerings, tenders, contract agreements, prototype modifications, and other negotiations.
 
Given the patchy track record of the US MIC procurement and contract fulfilment, there aren’t going to be usable numbers available for Ukraine any day now, or indeed the foreseeable future.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Oct 14 2025 17:12 utc | 197

Alexander Mercouris
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ddiRhp6zcE
 
“Moscow gives US nuclear warning on Tomahawks – says Trump unfit mediator; Kiev faces Pokrovsk disaster.”

Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 14 2025 20:25 utc | 199