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October 5, 2025
Ukraine Open Thread 2025-231
News & views related to the war in Ukraine …
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“Nuke them all”, they say. Yeah, wonderful. Posted by: rk | Oct 6 2025 8:29 utc | 102 rk | Oct 6 2025 8:29 utc | 102 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 6 2025 9:00 utc | 103 More revelations from Merkel:
Posted by: S | Oct 6 2025 9:32 utc | 104 (Partizán is an influential Hungarian opposition YouTube channel. Here’s the video of Merkel’s interview.) Posted by: S | Oct 6 2025 9:40 utc | 105
Posted by: S | Oct 6 2025 9:32 utc | Posted by: jpc | Oct 6 2025 9:50 utc | 106 Posted by: ThouShalt | Oct 6 2025 5:11 utc | 94 Posted by: jopalolive | Oct 6 2025 9:57 utc | 107 The sanctions were used to advantage. MRGA (Make Russia great again). Onshoring production, self suficiency. Posted by: jopalolive | Oct 6 2025 10:00 utc | 108 Many of us were led to believe that Trump’s post of Sept. 23rd (where he states that Ukraine is in a position to reconquer all its lost territories if only helped sufficiently supported by Europe) was not to be taken seriously. Trump was just being sarcastic or ironic, they say, with the intention to publicly expose the bad advice he received from Gen. Kellog. Trump, so they say, does not himself believe in the contents of his post. Posted by: grunzt | Oct 6 2025 10:07 utc | 109
Exactly. Posted by: S | Oct 6 2025 10:16 utc | 110 🚨MONDAY’S GOING UNDERGROUND:The Trump Administration’s plan to retain US🇺🇸 economic hegemony, as unipolarity increasingly crumbles to multipolarity.We’re joined by @RealJimRickards who will discuss the plan, as well as the continuing disastrous, lost proxy war againsr Russia Posted by: Jo | Oct 6 2025 10:20 utc | 111 Posted by: English Outsider | Oct 5 2025 17:10 utc | 29 Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Oct 6 2025 10:44 utc | 112 Posted by: Urban Fox | Oct 5 2025 17:31 utc | 30 Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Oct 6 2025 11:04 utc | 113 Posted by: rk | Oct 6 2025 8:29 utc | 102 Posted by: jopalolive | Oct 6 2025 11:05 utc | 114 Posted by: jopalolive | Oct 6 2025 11:05 utc | 114 Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Oct 6 2025 11:19 utc | 115 Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Oct 6 2025 11:04 utc | 113 Posted by: grunzt | Oct 6 2025 11:20 utc | 116 @ grunzt | Oct 6 2025 11:20 utc | 116 Posted by: malenkov | Oct 6 2025 11:42 utc | 117 Regarding Tomahawk cruise missiles, all the US land-based versions of the Tomahawk — such as the BGM-109G Gryphon ground-launched cruise missile (GLCM) — were destroyed under the terms of the (now defunct) INF Treaty. Posted by: Perimetr | Oct 6 2025 11:46 utc | 118
Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Oct 6 2025 11:59 utc | 119 Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Oct 6 2025 11:19 utc | 115
Posted by: unimperator | Oct 6 2025 12:02 utc | 120 billy @93: “wouldnt it be ironic if all the new young recruits were of russian speaking population.” Posted by: William Gruff | Oct 6 2025 12:04 utc | 121 Posted by: Perimetr | Oct 6 2025 11:46 utc | 118
Has there ever been non-US land-based versions that could make there way to Ukraine and how quickly can such versions and launchers be released now that the treaty is defunct?
This brings up an important question. Who is the arbiter here you are thinking of whose formal acknowledgement of US involvement could somehow change the course of the conflict? And what change in course are we talking about – Russian attacks on Western countries? Posted by: robin | Oct 6 2025 12:36 utc | 122 Sanctions have done for Russia what Trump is trying to do for the US. Of course, it is difficult to “sanction” oneself. That takes self-discipline and Americans have none (that’s why they are fat and cannot do the difficult stuff in their educations). Posted by: William Gruff | Oct 6 2025 12:38 utc | 123 ‼️BREAKING‼️🇷🇺 🇷🇺 Foreign Intelligence Service of the Russian Federation:🇷🇺👉🇬🇧🏴☠️🇪🇺🇺🇦 The Press Bureau of the Russian Foreign Intelligence Service (SVR) reportsAccording to the British plan, a group of Russian traitors fighting on the side of the Ukrainian army is to carry out an attack on one of the Ukrainian Navy’s vessels or on a civilian ship belonging to a foreign state in one of the European ports. As of now, the group’s members have already arrived in the UK for sabotage training.Once the group is “exposed”, British authorities will claim that it was acting under instructions from Moscow. London hopes that Europe’s Russophobia-obsessed establishment will unquestioningly accept the fabricated story of “malicious Kremlin agents” as justification for further arms deliveries to Ukraine and militarization of the so-called “united Europe” under the pretext of countering “Russian aggression”.It is noteworthy that the Ukrainian militants are to be supplied with underwater equipment of Chinese manufacture. The equipment “seized” during the “investigation” is intended to be presented as “hard proof” of China’s alleged support for Russia’s so-called armed aggression against Ukraine. Posted by: Jo | Oct 6 2025 13:45 utc | 124 🇩🇪🏴☠️🇺🇦 Germans are saving on themselves to pay for someone else’s warThe government announced the largest cut in social spending since Schröder’s reforms — up to 100 billion euros by 2030.Main cuts:Bürgergeld (unemployment benefits) — –5 billion € per yearHousing and utility compensations — –3 billion € per yearSocial subsidies outside insurance contributions — –9.6 billion € (2022–2027)Non-indexation of payments — –2 billion € annuallyTotal: ≈20 billion € savings per year.
Posted by: Jo | Oct 6 2025 13:48 utc | 125 ‼️Europe is preparing for war with Russia.🇷🇺 🇷🇺 Deputy Foreign Minister of the Russian Federation Alexander Grushko stated that Europe is preparing for a military confrontation with our country.Active preparations are underway in Europe for a military clash with Russia, as evidenced by military activities and planning, as well as aggressive NATO exercises near our country’s borders.Europe continues to escalate the conflict in Ukraine by supplying long-range weapons, thereby involving itself in a direct conflict. Posted by: Jo | Oct 6 2025 13:53 utc | 126 Russia tested a new weapon in a bright blue flash and some semblance of sanity seems to have hit the Europeans.Dnipro appears to be Russia’s weapons test ground. The drama never ends.
Posted by: unimperator | Oct 6 2025 14:45 utc | 128 Peter AU1 | Oct 6 2025 9:00 utc | 103 Posted by: Oberbayer | Oct 6 2025 14:49 utc | 129 unimperator | Oct 6 2025 14:45 utc Posted by: Oberbayer | Oct 6 2025 14:54 utc | 130 Johan Kaspar @ 113 Posted by: oldhippie | Oct 6 2025 14:55 utc | 131
Pfffff..’unabated shelling’ ..terrorism is a tool for the weak and desperate and the strikes would more accurately be called ‘sporadic and infrequent’. Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Oct 6 2025 15:01 utc | 132 unimperator @128: Posted by: William Gruff | Oct 6 2025 15:06 utc | 133 @ 127 No “secret weapon” involved. The “blue flash,” called an Arc. Was simply the result of an electrical sub station being destroyed by conventional means. Similar to the blue flash an Arc welder makes. Only on a vastly larger scale. Posted by: golddigger | Oct 6 2025 15:29 utc | 134 re: Oberbayer | Oct 6 2025 14:49 utc | 129 Posted by: Perimetr | Oct 6 2025 15:30 utc | 135 The scale of this flash and its location does not correspond with the explosion of a transformer, Posted by: too scents | Oct 6 2025 15:39 utc | 136 too scents @136:
Posted by: William Gruff | Oct 6 2025 16:10 utc | 137 The more Gehlenskyi is loosing , the more “false flag & terrorism”, mostly in the EU, will happen. Don’t even try to understand what the Banderist will do when they will “loose” for good … the little green man with a white nose is already whining it’s all “western fault” (for once he says something partially true, it’s worth being related.). Posted by: Savonarole | Oct 6 2025 16:13 utc | 138
Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Oct 6 2025 16:17 utc | 139 It’s time to listen to Pharaoh Trump and embrace peace. ZeroHedge reports of another massive drone attack into Russia: Posted by: Pharaoh Trump | Oct 6 2025 16:45 utc | 140 ”
It will be a unilateral ceasefire only if Russia respects it, otherwise no ceasefire. Nazis are like zionists, they always lie. Posted by: Sarlat La Canéde | Oct 6 2025 16:45 utc | 141 Sarlat La Canéde @141: Posted by: William Gruff | Oct 6 2025 17:18 utc | 142 Posted by: Perimetr | Oct 6 2025 11:46 utc | 118 ‘No ground launched versions of Tomahawks and only US can fire them..’ Posted by: ed4 | Oct 6 2025 17:24 utc | 144 English Outsider: Comment 2 Posted by: Áobh Ó’Sheachnasaigh | Oct 6 2025 17:26 utc | 145 Posted by: Áobh Ó’Sheachnasaigh | Oct 6 2025 17:26 utc | 145 “Russia has the ability to inflict horrible consequences on the Western world” Posted by: ed4 | Oct 6 2025 17:44 utc | 146 @26 Posted by: Fred777 | Oct 6 2025 17:50 utc | 147 With ruthless precision and facts, Mike Mihajlovic from Black Mountain Analysis destroys the hopium dreams of neo-cons and Putin-hating shills. Tomahawk theater is just another in a long series of morale-boosting lies, meant to keep hope alive among the neo-cons: Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Oct 6 2025 18:08 utc | 149 Posted by: ed4 | Oct 6 2025 17:24 utc | 144 Posted by: Elmer Fudd | Oct 6 2025 18:08 utc | 150 Ukraine Has Just Generated Another Cash Sink For Western Taxpayers Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 6 2025 18:17 utc | 151 re: ed4 | Oct 6 2025 17:24 utc | 144 Posted by: Perimetr | Oct 6 2025 18:29 utc | 152 Dnipro. New weapon or supermassive electrical arc? Posted by: Suresh | Oct 6 2025 18:31 utc | 153 Ukrainians are stealing EU money hands over fist. Perhaps, because Ukrainian suppliers know much better what’s going on in the war, no chance to win, so lets take as much as possible.
Posted by: unimperator | Oct 6 2025 18:34 utc | 154 re: Suresh | Oct 6 2025 18:31 utc | 153 Posted by: Perimetr | Oct 6 2025 18:43 utc | 155 @144 Posted by: paddy | Oct 6 2025 18:58 utc | 156 re: paddy | Oct 6 2025 18:58 utc | 156 Posted by: Perimetr | Oct 6 2025 19:18 utc | 157 Posted by: William Gruff | Oct 6 2025 16:10 utc | 137- ref. also @134, @135 Posted by: spare_truth_03 | Oct 6 2025 19:58 utc | 158 Merz assumes Russia was behind the incursion of ‘reconnaissance drones’ that sparked chaos at Munich Airport and left over 10,000 passengers stranded this weekend. Posted by: Jo | Oct 6 2025 19:59 utc | 159 ‼️🇷🇺 Russian UVB-76, also known as the “Doomsday Radio Station” or the “Buzzing”, came on airMessage for today06.10.25 10:58 MSKNZHTI 59400 OREHOBRUS 2456 1459Your cipher versions 😀 Posted by: Jo | Oct 6 2025 20:26 utc | 160 Scott Ritter and Judge Napolitano: Nato collapsing. Posted by: unimperator | Oct 6 2025 20:33 utc | 161 ❗️🇪🇺🏴☠️🇩🇪👉🇷🇺 European Commissioner for Defense Andrius Kubilius:
Posted by: Jo | Oct 6 2025 20:35 utc | 162 Posted by: Elmer Fudd | Oct 6 2025 18:08 utc | 150 Posted by: ed4 | Oct 6 2025 20:38 utc | 163 Posted by: Jo | Oct 6 2025 19:59 utc | 159<blockquote>… Is this paranoid megalomaniac trying to justify Taurus or worse???.</blockquote> Posted by: spare_truth_03 | Oct 6 2025 20:57 utc | 164 🇺🇦🏴☠️👉🇷🇺 Ukraine is preparing new sanctions against those who help Russia, – Zelensky Posted by: Jo | Oct 6 2025 20:58 utc | 165 Hi Jo, Posted by: joey_n | Oct 6 2025 21:00 utc | 166 Jo, I appreciate your posts and updates, even if they scare the beejesus out of me. Posted by: wagelaborer | Oct 6 2025 21:08 utc | 167 FAQ: Sorry MoA prof guys: How does the ‘blockquote’ html5 element will further be applied ..? Posted by: spare_truth_03 | Oct 6 2025 21:13 utc | 168 what will ukrop political and business elites do when all those yellow lines are behind the loc?My guess that’d be the time when they call it a day and run. Posted by: jopalolive | Oct 6 2025 21:33 utc | 169 From the latest s article Mr Putin confirms what I have said all along it’s a SlogMow he called it “trickle warfare” two or three guys at a time attacking, no, not tickle warfare, but trickle…..fuck, gonna be a long haul at this rate……looks like, according to him, neither side is going anywhere fast……..some drone issue, whoda think it….. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Oct 6 2025 21:33 utc | 170 Response to Mail @ Mom of Elendsky, the answer firstly published/whisteled here by a Russian IT-phone cell speciaclist on phone call tracking .. : Posted by: spare_truth_03 | Oct 6 2025 21:35 utc | 171 Mr Putin also throws out some not so favourable numbers for either side, regarding KIA WIA MIA……apparently both sides have issues and the numbers may not be as lop sided as some suspect. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Oct 6 2025 21:39 utc | 172 🇺🇦Zelensky called on allies to pay for American weapons before winter.
He expects the EU to devise mechanisms to speed up entry, avoid or disregard any no votes, even to remove Orban altogether. Time for Hungary Sleep vakia and now Check Rep to act together. Seems as if still trouble and Serbia maybe they can sort it out and join in too?@Slavyangrad Posted by: Jo | Oct 6 2025 21:46 utc | 173 uh, err, um Posted by: ed4 | Oct 6 2025 21:54 utc | 174 Hands up those who knew Russia could shut down airports with 🎈🎈 🎈 Posted by: Suresh | Oct 6 2025 22:25 utc | 175 Posted by: Perimetr | Oct 6 2025 19:18 utc | 157 Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Oct 6 2025 22:31 utc | 176 Thanks Perimetr, so EMP only needs to be big to disable a switching station/ transformer to cause what I assume is cascading overload effect shutting off mains power to the grid? That could explain the electrical arcs. Posted by: Suresh | Oct 6 2025 22:42 utc | 177 From Mike Mihajlovic:
Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Oct 6 2025 22:44 utc | 178 Posted by: ed4 | Oct 6 2025 21:54 utc | 174Probally having understood you well on your question and an open answers, relying to your 2nd referred URL in your post:”Not sure if it means more likely…?” Posted by: spare_truth_03 | Oct 6 2025 23:04 utc | 179 @178 Posted by: spare_truth_03 | Oct 6 2025 23:24 utc | 180 @157 Posted by: paddy | Oct 6 2025 23:33 utc | 181 it appears all my post regarding EMP have been deleted. That seems unfortunate to me, will be signing off now Posted by: Perimetr | Oct 7 2025 0:00 utc | 183 Well, S has just posted something that invalidates any and all times putin mentioneod 5 and even 7 kill ratios
A small correction if S reads it. Posted by: Newbie | Oct 7 2025 0:45 utc | 184 Why do you think these so-called leaders flash their mafia gang signs especially with their hands in the shape of an oval? Posted by: dobby | Oct 7 2025 1:03 utc | 185 Acc.to EMP comments above, my final comment : Posted by: spare_truth_03 | Oct 7 2025 1:29 utc | 186 Oh I forgot, the three Abrahamic religions are based on this concept that I wrote above. Posted by: dobby | Oct 7 2025 1:46 utc | 187 “Ukraine Abandons Pokrovsk – Half the City Lost as Chaos Erupts Among Soldiers” ????? Posted by: WMG | Oct 7 2025 3:36 utc | 188 Mark Sleboda | Stunning Retaliation: Russia Shatters Kiev’s Energy Sector – Zelensky Cries For Truce
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XD7nJAomkhQ Posted by: unimperator | Oct 7 2025 4:27 utc | 189 Martyanov posted a strike in Kharkov that shows 2 blue flashes after an explosion and lights going out. Sigh! No EMP 🙁 Posted by: Suresh | Oct 7 2025 4:57 utc | 190 How Russia’s No Fly Zone Is Crushing European Airlines
Posted by: unimperator | Oct 7 2025 5:06 utc | 191 Posted by: unimperator | Oct 7 2025 5:06 utc | 191 Posted by: watcher | Oct 7 2025 5:42 utc | 192 The FT reports:
I missed this very significant reporting from last week, maybe because of the shutdown mess. Posted by: too scents | Oct 7 2025 6:21 utc | 193 lets see what the “Post Comment” button does. Posted by: too scents | Oct 7 2025 6:22 utc | 194 Well hello.
Nice to see you join the world of reality we all actually live in – rather than the land of delusion and illusion often talked about on here. Posted by: Julian | Oct 7 2025 6:54 utc | 195 Nice to see you join the world of reality we all actually live in – rather than the land of delusion and illusion often talked about on here. Posted by: Newbie | Oct 7 2025 8:45 utc | 196 When the tactical engagements at the front become less decisive because FPV drones suffocate any large movements, the momentum of the war will change towards the “strategic” level, which they call air or energy war. Posted by: persiflo | Oct 7 2025 10:02 utc | 197 Drones don’t do well in bad weather. I expect something is going to move. Posted by: Catilina | Oct 7 2025 11:43 utc | 198 More Nato winning – Pokrovsk on verge of collapse, likewise Ukrainian energy system on verge of collapse. Posted by: unimperator | Oct 7 2025 11:56 utc | 199 Ukrainian fortified agglomeration Poltavka-Okhotnyche collapsing. RUAF taking Novohryrorivka. RUAF took Oleksiivka after massive MLRS bombardment, pushing very close to the Vovcha river, further isolating Orestopil fortified agglomeration. Posted by: unimperator | Oct 7 2025 12:06 utc | 200 |
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