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October 11, 2025
U.S.-China Trade War Reaches New Level

Trump’s tariff war has somewhat settled down but for China.

Trump has, like his predecessor, limited exports of high-end semiconductor chips to China. He also stopped the export of machines and chemicals used to produce chips to China. These measures are extra-territorial. The Dutch company ASML is prohibited to sell its high-end machines for chip production to China because parts of them contain goods or software made in the U. S. of A.

After Trump imposed additional high tariffs on goods from China the country hit back by limiting exports of rare earth elements. China has a near monopoly on these elements. These are needed to produce modern electric motors, magnets and various sensors and semiconductors the U.S. needs. China has also stopped the import of soy-beans, one of the main products U.S. mid-west farmers depend on.

Trump had to pull back and did so. Tariffs were temporarily lowered and negotiations with China continued. A new trade agreement was supposed to signed later this month when President Trump and President Xi would meet in South Korea.

But U.S. negotiators under Secretary of Commerce Howard Lutnick tried to play hardball. In late September, during the talks,  they imposed further restrictions on China:

On September 29, 2025, the U.S. Department of Commerce’s Bureau of Industry and Security (BIS) released a long-anticipated interim final rule (IFR) that will result in the most dramatic expansion of U.S. export control regulations in years. The IFR, “Expansion of End-User Controls To Cover Affiliates of Certain Listed Entities,” extends export restrictions to any company owned 50% or more, directly or indirectly, by any of the thousands of entities already designated on several Commerce and Treasury Department lists.

The IFR would also impose a new duty on exporters to investigate the ownership of an end user where there is reason to believe a designated entity holds a minority stake, or is affiliated with, the end user, subject to a strict liability standard for violations.

The new measures would severely restrict any export of high tech goods to China.

The country responded in kind:

Chinese Commerce Ministry (MOFCOM) announced on Thursday that in order to safeguard national security and interests, the ministry will impose export controls on rare earth-related technologies, including rare earth mining, smelting and separation, magnetic material manufacturing, and rare earth secondary resource recycling.

Technologies and relevant date related to rare earth mining, smelting and separation, metal smelting, magnetic material manufacturing, and rare earth secondary resource recycling, as well as the assembly, debugging, maintenance, repair, and upgrade of related production lines are prohibited from export without permission, the statement said.

Rare earth elements are used in many U.S. weapons. Each F-35 fighter jet includes some 418 kilogram of rare earth elements, a U.S. destroyer 2,600 kg, a nuclear submarines 4,800 kg. The U.S. has currently no means to produce these themselves.

There was more to the new Chinese regulation than it seemed:

This is actually big, potentially huge, notably because China’s new rare earth export controls include a provision (point 4 here: mofcom.gov.cn/zwgk/…) whereby anyone using rare earths to develop advanced semiconductors (defined as 14nm-and-below) will require case-by-case approval.

Which effectively gives China de-facto veto power over the entire advanced semi-conductor supply chain as rare earths are used at critical steps throughout – from ASML (who use rare earths for magnets in their lithography machines: asml.com/en/news/storie…) to TSMC.

The export controls are also extra-territorial: foreign entities must obtain Chinese export licenses before re-exporting products manufactured abroad if they contain Chinese rare earth materials comprising 0.1% or more of the product’s value.

So China is effectively mirroring the US semiconductor export controls that were used against them, with its own comprehensive extraterritorial control regime, except with rare earths.

The most advanced semiconductors produced today also use some rare-earth elements. Under China’s new rules each chip sale will need to be licensed by China to ensure that it will not be used for military purposes. If the new rules are handled strictly the U.S. AI-boom will soon go bust.

Rare earth are not the only field where new Chinese export rules are set to apply:

Not only did they announce the unprecedented rare earths restrictions that I posted about earlier 👇 (targeted, among others, at the advanced semiconductors sector) but they issued 4 consecutive announcements in total with other export controls on:

– The machines and expertise to process rare earths – not just the rare earths themselves, but all the specialized equipment and technical know-how to turn rare earth into usable materials (obviously making it all the harder to try to move rare earth processing away from China)
– High-performance batteries – specifically those above 300 Wh/kg needed for long-range EVs and advanced drones. And, again, export controls on all the factory equipment to make them too.
– The materials inside batteries – both graphite anodes and cathode materials (the two electrodes that are essential for batteries to function at all). Export controls also cover the specialized equipment to manufacture all of these components.
– Industrial diamonds and cutting tools – the ultra-hard materials that are used ubiquitously in precision manufacturing, for instance to cut silicon wafers for computer chips

This is absolutely unprecedented. With this China effectively gets veto power over three critical supply chains simultaneously: advanced semiconductors (via rare earths and related equipment), battery-powered vehicles and drones, and precision manufacturing across industries (via superhard materials).

It will all officially take effect on November 8, in one month.

China’s move is not really aimed at restricting exports. It just wants to discipline U.S. trade negotiators and push them back in support of free trade:

During the last round of negotiations with senior American officials in Madrid last month, China’s chief trade negotiator, Vice Premier He Lifeng, asked for the full removal of tariffs and export controls, The Wall Street Journal has reported. The latest rare-earth action, the people said, is a tactic aimed at achieving that goal.

The U.S. has yet to get understand that. Its response to China’s latest move as predictable as it is doomed to fail:

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump – Oct 10, 2025, 20:50 UTC

It has just been learned that China has taken an extraordinarily aggressive position on Trade in sending an extremely hostile letter to the World, stating that they were going to, effective November 1st, 2025, impose large scale Export Controls on virtually every product they make, and some not even made by them. This affects ALL Countries, without exception, and was obviously a plan devised by them years ago. It is absolutely unheard of in International Trade, and a moral disgrace in dealing with other Nations.

Based on the fact that China has taken this unprecedented position, and speaking only for the U.S.A., and not other Nations who were similarly threatened, starting November 1st, 2025 (or sooner, depending on any further actions or changes taken by China), the United States of America will impose a Tariff of 100% on China, over and above any Tariff that they are currently paying. Also on November 1st, we will impose Export Controls on any and all critical software.

It is impossible to believe that China would have taken such an action, but they have, and the rest is History. Thank you for your attention to this matter!

DONALD J. TRUMP
PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

China is well prepared for that move. Its GDP this year will be around 20 trillion. Its total exports per year to the U.S. are around $500 billion, a mere 2.5% of its GDP. China can do without those while the U.S. can not.

What Trump does not get yet is that the U.S. depends more on imports from China than China depends on exporting to the United States. But the markets do understand that.  Trump’s move may well be the black swan event that will lead to their crash.

If Trump doesn’t chicken out of this fight the U.S. economy is doomed.

Comments

one can be certain that Admin insiders made a killing front running the news yesterday. S&P down 2.7% in a few hours. 

Posted by: Exile | Oct 11 2025 8:13 utc | 1

All of this is echoed by US government trying to desperately take control over various mining industries. Clearly they want to control supply chain of critical minerals. They are also actively investing in new explorer stage mining projects. I guess years of collective Biden didn’t do too much to help, relying on global supply chains which converted to non-western methods or currencies of trade and settlement.
However, developing mines takes years and years and may not be quick enough to develop to save things like arms or semiconductor manufacturing in US if they run out of those rare mineral stockpiles. The production lines will quickly go to a halt.

Posted by: unimperator | Oct 11 2025 8:23 utc | 2

From the movie Deliverance, the perverted mountain man is going to rape Ned Beatty, and orders Beatty to squeal like a pig while he pulls his ear. Xi is going to make Trump squeal like a pig. 

Posted by: 1951 | Oct 11 2025 8:31 utc | 3

the question is who has escalation dominance?  i am quite sure china does..
 
read warwick powells article from the past 2 days..  usa is f*ked..  on the other hand if trump is shooting for financial collapse, he’s on the right track..
 
thanks b!

Posted by: james | Oct 11 2025 8:35 utc | 4

Yes, things are heating up again:
 
https://x.com/zhao_dashuai/status/1976701763630621183
https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202510/1345287.shtml
 

What Trump does not get yet is that the U.S. depends more on imports from China than China depends on exporting to the United States. But the markets do understand that.  Trump’s move may well be the black swan event that will lead to their crash.

 
The fundamental issue, the hardcore problem, is that Chinese and Russian elites share my view that the USA and its groupies ultimately want to slow down or fully stop Chinese and Russian capitalist economic development (plus demographic development in the case of Russia), just like they did with the abject vassal nation of Japan in 1985. Current Western political elites are envious of Chinese and Russian capitalist economic development, our political leaders in America and Europe resent other nations being rich and not being vassals.
 
What did Japan do when they were ordered to arrest its development in 1985? As the abject vassals that they are, they responded ‘domo arigatou gozaimasu, sensei’, and the diminutive Japanese PM posed for photos with his American masters (European vassals were also present to fill space).
 
But China and Russia are not the Japan of the 80s. An intelligent first step by America (Euro vassals would soon get in line) would be to declare: ‘We are impressed and delighted by Chinese and Russian capitalist economic development and want to share in the building of their prosperity”.  Yet our mediocre political leadership cannot even contemplate the thought of shared prosperity of independent nations.

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Oct 11 2025 8:37 utc | 5

Posted by b on October 11, 2025 at 08:09 UTC | Permalink
“If Trump doesn’t chicken out of this fight the U.S. economy is doomed.”

 
Lets all hope that Don has a large supply of good old US bourbon whiskey then, to keep him brave and stupid.
 

Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Oct 11 2025 9:17 utc | 6

In August Chinese exports to the US were running at an annualized rate of about US$294 billion, imports from the US at US$120 billion. The net is US$174 billion; 0.9% of Chinese GDP. The Party-State will already have access to the September numbers, which will most probably be even lower. They know that they can easily win this battle.
 
Very hard for Trump to TACO now that he has come out with the public statements. Maybe after a couple of weeks of crashing markets … 
 
As B so well put it, China needs the US less than the US needs China. At some point the thick skulls of the US administration will be penetrated by this reality. Lutnick has the thickest skull of all, just goes to shoe that just because you made a billion doesn’t mean that you are that clever. You can also be relatively dumb while being sly and lucky. Wall Street has produced a lot of such men in the past few decades. 
 

Posted by: Roger Boyd | Oct 11 2025 9:17 utc | 7

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Oct 11 2025 8:37 utc | 5
… and the diminutive Japanese PM posed for photos with his American masters (European vassals were also present to fill space).

 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plaza_Accord

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Oct 11 2025 9:39 utc | 8

Feel this is prelude to war from Russia Europe to Venezuela, Middle East to Asean theatre of China Taiwan and Koreas. Massive missile attack on Moscow regardless of the make of missile could trigger it
Along with precious metals, US 10 yr rates also changing. Will capital flow from Europe to US and EU forced to bring in capital controls.
ASML machines last frontier in technology for China?

Posted by: Michael J | Oct 11 2025 9:46 utc | 9

Along with precious metals, US 10 yr rates also changing.
Posted by: Michael J | Oct 11 2025 9:46 utc | 9
 
Exactly, those sitting on gold and silver are laughing all the way to the bank.
 

Posted by: Menz | Oct 11 2025 9:56 utc | 10

“Do you think my methods are insane, Willard?”
“Sir, I don’t see any method at all”
or, in other words, US Foreign Policy: provocation on all fronts by insider traders.

Posted by: Patroklos | Oct 11 2025 9:57 utc | 11

S$P Futures are down -3.35%, the Nasdaq, -4.35% and the Nikkei 225, -6.91%
https://finviz.com/futures.ashx
 

Posted by: Menz | Oct 11 2025 10:04 utc | 12

No plan however good survives the first smack in the gob … or something like that. 
 
The pivot by the Natziofascists using their ONLY weapon – printing Money  to buy proxy armies –  to China and now to Venezuela and still probably another attempt on Iran and all the BRI projects across Asia and Africa is that great laid plan of the Mice Men shapeshifters.
 
 
 
Well it seems the Chinese have ‘thought this through’ and just charged across the rink and launched a mighty blow !
 
 
Like any bully the Collective Waste and its Mobster Bankers are stunned!! 
 
 
This isn’t taking on ‘cursssse you poooootin’ mark 2. A whole series of supposed sanctions packages ; whilst reinstating the old bastard robbers dynastic rise to peer over the millenia – taking from China and India ; stealing the innovations and claiming it as their own.
 
 
No there won’t be theft of the new gunpowder, silk, printing, bone China etc  
 
No there won’t be a cowing and isolation and contamination with addiction of the industrious Chinese  
 
Etc  – BUT ITS BIGGER much much biggliest bigger. The craw that the scapegoat petty Drumpf Caesar has to bear the responsibility of the total collapse of the fledgling US Empire not quite a whole century yet … unlikely to make its 300 anniversary as it perversely and grandiosely bars towards its 250 bread and circuses as it sets its  own cities and states ablaze ! The centre impossible to hold will see the fake continent fall into pieces – not before time it should never have been stitched together as the Monster of the Frankenstein Evil genius who wants to be a god amongst his fellow humans… you get it barflies ? 
 
It seems that Humpty Dumpty that is Modi/jaishankar fake India is finally encouraged to climb down from its precarious wall and join its natural partners of EurAsia after nearly 500 years of being its punkkaa wallahs poking the soft under belly of both Russia and China.
 
 
The idiocy of exposing the near century of fake Pakistan owned and controlled by the CIA and its shapeshifter natzio praetorian guard and assassins by pushing to re establish their headchopper gangsters in Afghanistan!! 
 
Was it the attempted provocation between Pakistan/India proxies earlier; was it even the downing of the Boeing in Modi/Jaishankars home city and region ? Where is the report on that very mysterious destruction and death??
( still waiting on b’s analysis of that too – it can only be pilot error suicide or failure of automatic systems… the lone survivors testimony points to the latter ) 
 
I must say that the current geopolitical realignment in a flash was nowhere near on my bingo card !
 
 DJT is achieving what has been impossible for the last centuries – he has pushed ‘India’, China and Russia together; Pakistan and the satraps between India and China and their Color quisling new governments are undermined!  Meanwhile Lavrov and co just usurped the fake sultans (that other stooge of the natzios) attempt to create another block in EurAsia …
 
Fireworks Day – ancient Chinese invention and all – is certainly set to be spectacular this November ! 
It might even achieve what Guy Fawkes failed to in England – the destruction of our now wholly revealed shapeshifters controlled natziofascist Parliament! 
 
 Are we all watching? More popcorn,  bunting and cheering –  the rising multipolar pummelling the unipolar decrepit delusional superpower into a well deserved defeat.
 
– ‘IS THAT ALL YOU GOT?’ Smack! Biff! Etc  
 
 
 
 

Posted by: DunGroanin | Oct 11 2025 10:27 utc | 13

Making it all the more exquisite, all the documentation that China requires has to be submitted only in Chinese.

Posted by: JohninMK | Oct 11 2025 10:49 utc | 14

Exile | Oct 11 2025 8:13 utc | 1
Apparently someone unknown opened a Bitcoin account yesterday then, 30 mins before the Trump announcement, placed a large put and closed the account 24 hours after opening with $88,591,007.81 in it. Definitely luck not insider trading.

Posted by: JohninMK | Oct 11 2025 10:56 utc | 15

Orange utang is attempting to play checkers on a weiqi board… What could go wrong?

Posted by: Asian Frog | Oct 11 2025 11:12 utc | 16

Lutnick is like most of the tribes wealthy movers and shakers today. A midwit nepotism case who has always managed to fail upward smelling like a rose with endless sweetheart financing deals from his fellow tribe members. 

Posted by: Tmj | Oct 11 2025 11:20 utc | 17

the potential issues with rare earth element is already known for at least 15 years. I just came across a document of 2013 on recycling(“Recycling of rare earths: a critical review”). In the introduction the question was asked why recycling is not coming of the ground. The answer due to the lack of incentives. The incentives could only have been created by the politicians. Why did they not do?. Is it a matter of corruption? Lack of actions should be seen as treason and as such judged. Will there now be incentives. Unlikely because Trump may change his mind tomorrow again.

Posted by: hubert | Oct 11 2025 11:42 utc | 18

Thank you China, well done

Posted by: Sadness | Oct 11 2025 11:58 utc | 19

Very happy with China. What began as a trade spat has now become a full-spectrum techno-economic Cold War, with both sides invoking “national security” — and both steadily cutting the other off from the technological base of civilization itself.
 
The Larger Meaning
This is more than rivalry; it’s the slow disintegration of the global production system itself. The post–Cold War dream of open markets and interdependence is collapsing back into blocs of coercion, scarcity, and control.
Every empire reaches a stage where its tools of power — finance, technology, surveillance — become too complex and too centralized to sustain. When that happens, collapse isn’t a political choice; it’s a thermodynamic inevitability.
We are watching that process now. The semiconductor war is not just about chips or magnets — it’s about the unravelling of the entire industrial organism that made both possible. One step closer to a global systemic collapse.
 
Researchers such as Luke Kemp, Peter Turchin, Joseph Tainter, and Nate Hagens describe how polycrisis dynamics—climate stress, energy depletion, financial fragility, and institutional decay—interlock. Each strain amplifies the others. Rising inequality and elite over-accumulation erode trust; militarization diverts resources from adaptive governance; and supply-chain dependencies magnify shocks.
Kemp’s “Goliath’s Curse” framing captures this imbalance: enormous intelligence and capacity aimed at domination, not representation. We invest orders of magnitude more in weaponry and AI than in improving democratic decision-making. The result is brittleness—systems optimized for control rather than cooperation.
 
Tainter would call this “diminishing returns on complexity.” As energy and resource costs rise, hierarchies respond with secrecy and short-term extraction rather than transparency and reform. Eventually, societies that cannot simplify or adapt lose coherence—through economic upheaval, political polarization, or cascading environmental feedbacks.
In that sense, “collapse” is not a single event but a slow unravelling across domains, a kind of involuntary simplification. The question is whether we can choose a conscious simplification—restoring transparency, reciprocity, and shared purpose—before it happens by force of entropy
 
Kemp identifies a further mechanism he calls the “authoritarian impulse.” When populations feel threatened—by war, migration, scarcity, or disease—they become more submissive to dominance hierarchies. Fear shifts psychology toward obedience and punitive thinking.
Across history, such moments produce strong-man leaders and scapegoating of minorities. The pattern is observable today: in conditions of uncertainty, citizens gravitate toward authoritarian figures who promise security.
Crucially, fear itself can be manufactured. Dark Triad elites—those lacking empathy and driven by control—can engineer fear narratives (“immigrant invasions,” “evil foreign enemies”) that cause the populace to demand harsh, un-empathetic, non-pro-social policies.
 
Modern examples abound: political manipulation of terror threats after 9/11, anti-immigrant demagoguery in Western politics, or the framing of rival powers like Russia and China as existential menaces. The frightened public becomes the instrument of its own repression.
 
Elites who understand this dynamic can manufacture fear — of immigrants, foreign rivals, dissenters — to consolidate authority. The media amplifies these cues, often unconsciously. The twentieth century’s authoritarian cycles, and much of today’s geopolitics, can be read through this lens. The personality structure that excels in seizing power during crisis is often the least suited to wield it responsibly.
Unfortunately people will be stupid. They pick sides — between one authoritarian group versus another.
 
Reclaiming the Cooperative MindIf collapse has a psychological dimension, so must renewal. The next stage of civilization — if it is to exist — must cultivate institutions that select for empathy rather than for manipulation. That means embedding transparency, feedback, and accountability at every level: political, economic, informational, and cultural.
Kemp’s warning is not fatalistic but diagnostic. The “Goliath” of modernity is self-terminating precisely because it suppresses the very traits that once made us humanly successful.
 
Re-humanizing power — making it responsive, reciprocal, and relational — is not a sentimental project but an existential necessity.
For all our technology, survival may again depend on the oldest algorithm of all: Care for others, or perish together.
Evolutionary biology offers a simple parable: “A group of doves will outcompete a group of hawks.”
This too is where we are today. What will humanity choose?
If history is  any guide, it will choose wrong. 

Posted by: dodger | Oct 11 2025 12:09 utc | 20

Trump’s move may well be the black swan event that will lead to their crash.
If Trump doesn’t chicken out of this fight the U.S. economy is doomed.

 
The U.S. economy is doomed anyway. But this should speed it up a lot. 
 
Remember, the U.S. economy is 25% of global GDP. No one is immune to that. 

Posted by: dodger | Oct 11 2025 12:19 utc | 21

Doesn’t Trump know what his negotiators are trying to do to China? 

Posted by: Ghost Ship | Oct 11 2025 12:23 utc | 22

It seems that even higher education in prestigious US Universities has now lost its value among Chinese employers in China. The Chinese students who get their degree from Xinhua University are in more demand than those who studied in the US if I understand correctly what Pepe said to Larry Johnson in the interview below.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vusv5_Zf57I
The US is sliding down along multipke directions.  My son who was on sabbatical leave in Southern France last year saw an influx of experts from the USGS taking academic positions in France after losing their job in the US thanks to Trump and the Genius owning Tesla. 
Governance looks in pretty bad shape here in the West  if we compare with Russia and China. The old meritocracy had some value after all. I spent many months in China thirteen years ago and now Pepe is showing us that the people over there were not lost in empty rhetorical debates but were busy building their own future durin the last decade.

Posted by: Richard L | Oct 11 2025 12:36 utc | 23

China doesn’t do such an enormous amount of trade with the US any more, not as a proportion of its world trade.  Trump can hurt the Chinese economy, no doubt, but it’s unlikely he could bring it down.  And though I’m reading economists telling me that the Chinese economy is fundamentally unsound, and therefore vulnerable,  I remember the economists telling me the same about Russia.  Some still are.
 
As for using tariffs to bring the Chinese economy  down, doesn’t the article above make it clear that that’s a long shot?  Unlikely to succeed.  Trump’s using tariffs incorrectly in any case. 
 
Nothing wrong with tariffs.   The Free Traders hate them on principle but tariffs are just one tool amongst a battery of other methods used to restrict imports.  Regulatory controls do the same job but less obtrusively.  Both Brussels and Washington are masters of using regulatory controls for the purpose and Trump’s tariffs are just doing the same thing more openly.
 
As a tool for “bringing industry back home” they’d be great.   Except that they have to be used with  care.  Preferably by agreement with the tariffed country as well.  The tariffed country needs time to readjust its own economy to match.  Preferably, also, after ensuring that there’s a trained workforce for the industry being brought back home, plus the investment and infrastructure needed for that industry.
 
Above all a tariff regime needs long term stability.  No investor or industrial planner is going to invest the time and resources needed to gear up to take advantage  of a tariff wall, not if they fear that wall’s not going to be there later, or if they fear it’ll capriciously adjusted for political rather than trade reasons.
 
All that’s just a way of stating the obvious, I suppose.  Trump’s tariffs fail as a means of “bringing industry back home”, or if they do do that they’re so clunky they don’t do it at all well.  They won’t revive the American industrial base the way it ought to be revived.  We certainly couldn’t use tariffs that crudely in England as a way of bringing our own industrial base back from the dead.  We’ve got engineering firms that are very nimble and could take advantage quickly of any tariff relief going – provided tariff or other barriers didn’t get erected the other way! – but getting heavy industry or large scale mass production revived would need more care and long term planning than is in evidence in Washington.
 
Irrelevant as well as obvious because Trump’s not using tariffs for any such purpose.  He’s using tariffs and other trade restrictions as a weapon of war.  As far as the target countries are concerned they’re just another tool in the sanctions architecture both Brussels and Washington are so hooked on.
 
At the start of the SMO I spent some time looking at what Brussels and Washington hoped for in the sanctions war against Russia.  They’d hoped for a quick kill.  Le Maire said it for them all  – “And it is the Russian financial system that will collapse before our eyes. Europe, the only consequence it can have in the coming weeks is a small increase in prices, depending on the increase in energy prices.” 
 
Biden – “The (Russian) economy is on track to be cut in half in the coming years. It was ranked — Russia’s economy was ranked the 11th biggest economy in the world before this evasion [sic] — invasion. It will soon not even rank among the top 20 in the world. (Applause.)
 
“Taken together, these economic sanctions are a new kind of economic statecraft with the power to inflict damage that rivals military might.”
 
In fact the “military might” side of things was pretty well irrelevant.  For all the focus on the military war over the last three and a half years, that military war was a sideshow.  The destruction of the Russian economy through sanctions and other tools of economic war was the chief Western aim from the start. 
 
Throttling a country to death with sanctions worked against Syria.  It sort of worked against Iraq, or at least killed a lot of Iraqis, and it gave and is still giving Iran a hard time.  The idea being to wreck the target economy so that the population rises up against the target regime.  It failed with Russia.  There, the sanctions gave the Russian economy an enormous boost – it had exactly the same effect as if the Russians had imposed protective tariffs themselves!   Since the Russians already had a strong industrial base, and plenty of skilled workers,  it’s to Russia we must look if we want to see the beneficial effect of what in their case amounted in effect to protective tariffs employed as they ought to be.
 
That’s why, in his meeting with the industrialists not long back, Putin went out of his way to assure the industrialists that the trade war would continue, and that even if it didn’t obstacles would be put in the way of Western companies seeking to trade with Russia, those obstacles having the same effect as protective tariffs.  He wanted to assure the industrialists that there’d be long term stability in their new industrial environment.  He wanted to assure them that if they carried on putting the investment in they could be sure of a return.  Looks like someone in the Kremlin is able to think things through. 
 
Washington doesn’t seem to be doing that.  The US resembles a tottering giant, flailing about wildly as it seeks to recover its old dominance.   It’s hit out at Russia, is still attempting to do so, and that’s  not working.  Where it has the power it can still wreck, as we see in the ME and as we might just possibly see in Venezuela or Iran.  I doubt it’s got the power to wreck China.

Posted by: English Outsider | Oct 11 2025 12:38 utc | 24

Patroklos: the Brando/Sheen scene is pure genius. One of my favorites of all movies and so so suited for so much of what the US does: sew chaos and then try to exploit.
When you are unable to plan things, you try to put everyone on a zero footing by breaking everything.

Posted by: Pym of Nantucket | Oct 11 2025 12:41 utc | 25

You can bet anything all his ” inner ” circle shorter the market. They have made fortunes with this tariff comedy.
 
It’s his first salvo. A bullies move by a bully hoping that China meet him in the middle then start the negotiation.
 
Then his ” inner ” circle will go long the market as a deal is reached that the market can accept.
 
However, now is the time to explain Zimbabwe in 8 mins to the ” sound money ” knuckle draggers who have no idea about inflation. What it is and how every inflation episode gets started.
 
Here:
 
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Lyy1jgpTTc0
 
 
Think about Zimbabwe very  deeply, as Trump and his ” inner ” circle prepare for negotiations after his salvo across China. Ask yourself what happens if China don’t want to meet him in the middle and don’t want to negotiate?

Posted by: Clouds Of Alabama | Oct 11 2025 12:55 utc | 26

It’s also why Trumpian Phoneyfart announced it over the weekend. Could you imagine the carnage if it was announced on a Monday morning.
 
Announce tariffs and his inner circle have already shorted the market.
 
Cut a deal the market will accept and his inner circle have already went long the market.
 
It’s one HUGE grift, until it isn’t and bites the fascist in the ass. Either way the Trump family fortune will increase.
 
 
Exactly what he has done with his stable coins. As an edge against the FED. Treasuries goes up he wins, treasuries go down he wins. He can’t run again so the Trump family business are cashing in bigly!

Posted by: Clouds Of Alabama | Oct 11 2025 13:06 utc | 27

What happens when collective Trump realises that these threats don’t work against the big boys.?Hapless EU  yes.Peer adversary economy’s  no!
 

Posted by: jpc | Oct 11 2025 13:09 utc | 28

For Dodger 21: Sure it isnt 25% of Productive GDP. Lots of it is Paper Shuffle….

Posted by: Nobody | Oct 11 2025 13:13 utc | 29

“China’s move is not really aimed at restricting exports. It just wants to discipline U.S. trade negotiators and push them back” i
b
I disagree,
The US need rare earths to make military equipment; why would China provide materiel that wold be used against them in war?

Posted by: canuk | Oct 11 2025 13:14 utc | 30

Unconfirmed rumblings tectonic-ing their way across the alt-media spaces is that Xi Jinping suffered a stroke on Thursday, 9 October.
 
Chinese Premier Li Qiang arrived in Pyongyang, DPRK on 9 October, kicking off a 3-day visit.  Indications are that the severity of Xi’s condition—again, unconfirmed—can be assessed based on whether Li Qiang cuts his trip to DPRK short.
 
Rumor-mill caliber stuff:  Du Wen, a media figure currently living in Europe, disclosed on his program that an insider from the CCP informed him of Xi’s health emergency and said that the situation is critical.  Smoke & mirrors—and plenty of fog.
 
Sounds like the whereabouts of Li Qiang right now can be used as a barometer, but who can say what it ultimately indicates-?   The South China Morning Post indicated that he was still in Pyongyang on 10 October, pledging “dynamic development” between China and DPRK in a meeting w/ Kim Jong-un.

Posted by: steel_porcupine | Oct 11 2025 13:15 utc | 31

Every inflation episode for 100’s of years were caused by the supply side. Which THEN  increases the money supply. Every single one when you study the causes. 
 
Here’s Weimar…..
 
https://gimms.org.uk/2020/11/14/weimar-republic-hyperinflation-through-a-modern-monetary-theory-lens/
 
 
Think about it deeply regarding Trumps tariffs. Like Zimbabwe the total collapse of the supply side caused it. As those who struggle to think for themselves actually believed it was money printing. The red who is always under their bed.
 
Even though the increased money printing was BECAUSE OF the total collapse of the supply side.
 
 
 

Posted by: Clouds Of Alabama | Oct 11 2025 13:18 utc | 32

Even this recent inflation episode during the pandemic was caused by ………
 
Drum roll…… The collapse of the supply side, as the economy was closed down. Don’t allow any ” sound money” knuckle dragger who can’t think for themselves tell you any different. As they try and scare you with their red under the bed bullshit.
 
 
 
 
 

Posted by: Clouds Of Alabama | Oct 11 2025 13:23 utc | 33

“Xi Jinping suffered a stroke”
 
Fake?
see https://factcheck.afp.com/doc.afp.com.364V2CX

An old photo of Chinese President Xi Jinping resurfaced in social media posts that falsely claimed it showed him suffering from a stroke at the Chinese Communist Party Central Committee meeting in July 2024. The photo was in fact taken months earlier at the closing session of a National People’s Congress conference. There were no official reports that Xi suffered a stroke at either event.

Posted by: MAKK | Oct 11 2025 13:24 utc | 34

why would China provide materiel that wold be used against them in war?
 
Posted by: canuk | Oct 11 2025 13:14 utc | 30
 
The weapons the US would use against China are essentially useless due to the strategic situation on the ground.
 
 
China’s real defence is in the structure and organisation of its government, industry, weapons and defenses.
 
This strategic architecture nullifies the quality of American weapons and American weapons cannot overwhelm the Chinese with quantity.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 11 2025 13:25 utc | 35

Posted by: steel_porcupine | Oct 11 2025 13:15 utc | 31
 
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Stuff like this irritates me. Even if it is true, China isn’t based only on Xi. I imagine they have many redundancies in leadership.
 
But Xi has to be cast as the tyrant, the alien, the yellow warlord.
 
It’s all so tiresome. Not sure I will live long enough to see the end of such stupidity.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 11 2025 13:26 utc | 36

If Trump doesn’t chicken out of this fight the U.S. economy is doomed.

Posted by b on October 11, 2025 at 08:09 UTC
Pretty sure this is why Donald was selected. 
He’s gonna crash it

Posted by: Tannenhouser | Oct 11 2025 13:26 utc | 37

I hope that none of the topic surprises the bar. I have been posting about the Chinese countermeasures and tactics for some time.
 
The mines are only a small part of the challenge for the West to overcome.
 
The Chinese produce endless engineers and scientific experts. They have mastered the mining, logistics, and processing. The West gaining 200 new mines won’t catch them up to current demands in 30 years.
 
Meanwhile, the Chinese constantly make improvements, unhindered by rent seeking and financialization.
 
The point of divergence is long past and both “powers” are on unique trajectories.
 
Trump and the West at-large are trapped in the individualistic Western political paradigm. They worry about election cycles as the Chinese knock out successive 5-year plans. I believe they are finishing the 14th such project, and starting a 15th.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 11 2025 13:36 utc | 38

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 11 2025 13:26 utc | 36
 
RE:  rumors
 
<<
 
Love, you wrote:  “China isn’t based only on Xi.  I imagine they have many redundancies in leadership.”
 
Peculiarly or maliciously, if you like, when it comes to narrative spin, leaders in the U.S. speak not of China, the country or political structure, solely but often “Xi’s China,” as if to indicate that his tyrannical grip on the place (in their fictional narrative) merges him so completely w/ the nation itself that the two are absolutely conflated:  everything about China comes down to one man.
 
Ditto the way U.S. leaders misleadingly portray VVP.  It’s insidious—a total reduction of the complexities, for instance, of the Russian Federation’s decision-making structure and the numerous figures involved.
 

Posted by: steel_porcupine | Oct 11 2025 13:43 utc | 40

Posted by: steel_porcupine | Oct 11 2025 13:43 utc | 40
 
######
 
While stupid, the West is consistent.
 
It’s for the average punter, not the person who knows about China independent of the MSM. Seniors and retirees, the wealthiest and most likely to vote cohort, the Fox and CNN audiences.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 11 2025 13:56 utc | 41

Posted by: LoveDumbass | Oct 11 2025 13:36 utc | 38
Again you don’t know what you are talking about.
Rare Earths are not rare.  Why China controls over 90% of rare earths is not because they control 90% of rare earth deposits but because of their refining process.
 China  uses chlorine (chlorinization) to process the rare earth ore.  It is cheap, returns over 90% of the mineral.  However, it is environmentally destructive polluting water tables,creeks, rivers, lakes.
Because of the chlorinization polluting ithe process is illegal in every jurisdiction in the world other than China.   Other jurisdictions can’t compete because legal refining processes are much more expensive than chlorinization.
You embarrass yourself one more time.
 
 
 

Posted by: canuk | Oct 11 2025 13:59 utc | 42

Posted by: Clouds Of Alabama | Oct 11 2025 13:23 utc | 33
 
The inflationary episode of 2022-23 had multiple causes.  Supply chain issues post-COVID were certainly a factor, but insane fiscal spending by the Biden administration (and Trump, who signed the first CARES act) that spread confetti-money far and wide was also a big factor, as was the Ukraine war, which sent gas and diesel prices soaring.  I still remember paying $6/gallon in the summer of ’22 and having to pay $10 for a dozen eggs.
The economy was over-stimulated during the pandemic, with anyone who could fog a mirror getting a bailout.  Airlines, bars, restaurants, crooked bingo parlors all benefited.  The amount of sheer fraud involved in programs like the PPP was staggering.  There are still criminal cases being prosecuted, but many crooks got away with stealing from the treasury.
 

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Oct 11 2025 14:01 utc | 43

Stupid and malicious people will consistently behave in stupid and malicious ways.
 
I struggle to fathom why people think Trump will make a “deal”, any deal, or achieve his stated goals.
 
At one point, many operate in a delusion, rejecting evidence, and proven track record.
 
Pigs don’t fly, but people still think Trump will stop Bibi or Zelensky.
 
A weird kind of retardation by way of naivete.
 
It can be cute when a child does it. Horrifying when it is a grown adult acting the fool.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 11 2025 14:03 utc | 44

Posted by: canuk | Oct 11 2025 13:59 utc | 42
 
#######
 
Since you cannot understand much, it would be wise (a change for you) to remain silent.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 11 2025 14:06 utc | 45

.. But Xi has to be cast as the tyrant, the alien, the yellow warlord. ..
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 11 2025 13:26 utc | 36
 
It must really frustrate the propaganda cysts trying to make “Winnie the Poo” look demonic!

Posted by: tucenz | Oct 11 2025 14:07 utc | 46

Gold at $4000/oz is telling us something.  You’d better be prepared.  One day, the confetti-money cannons will go silent.

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Oct 11 2025 14:14 utc | 47

Crypto was to be Trumps new petro-dollar. I had read crypto had crashed, but I just read some clown in Kiev shot himself. Apparently important people in the organized crime gang in Kiev had been investing their profits in cypto.
I had read about China’s latest move a day or two back, but now with Trump’s crypto to be the new US financial scam – could be just coincidence but at the moment I tend to think somebody made some moves to deliberately crash crypto.
Escobar believes Putin is not using harsh enough rhetoric against the west, but I look at the way China is squeezing the US, plus Russia’s latest weapon undergoing testing on targets in Ukraine. 
These latest China bans may hit Nato’s drone war against Russia hard.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 11 2025 14:16 utc | 48

Posted by: canuk | Oct 11 2025 13:59 utc | 42 ####### “Since you cannot understand much, it would be wise (a change for you) to remain silent.”
Posted by: LoveDumbass | Oct 11 2025 14:06 utc | 45
I’m in the business, Dumbass-in rare earth refining its not about engineers or technology its about the refining process for it to be economic chlorinization is used-only in China.
But, you, like usual, only reply with personal put downs rather than debating the topic cause, let me repeat this truism one more time; you do not know what you are talking about.
 

Posted by: canuk | Oct 11 2025 14:18 utc | 49

De-dollarization Brings Peace
 

Posted by: Exile | Oct 11 2025 14:19 utc | 50

Vivek Sen@Vivek4real_SOMEONE JUST OPENED A #BITCOIN SHORT 30 MINS BEFORE TRUMP’S TARIFF ANNOUNCEMENT AND JUST CLOSED WITH $88,000,000 PROFIT
HE OPENED THIS ACCOUNT TODAY
https://x.com/Vivek4real_/status/1976787212491801051
 
I ran onto this just after my comment @48. A bit of insider trading going on if that is correct.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 11 2025 14:25 utc | 51

What I want to know is: how come all those US politicians and economists, who screamed and frothed that we simply MUST ship our industrial base to China because Adam Smith is God, are not accountable for their grievous errors/treason?  
Why are not all these ‘notable’ economists hanging their heads in shame?  Because there is no longer any accountability in our society.  They did what the rich wanted, and if you do what the rich want, you never have to say you are sorry, so you?

Posted by: TG | Oct 11 2025 14:28 utc | 52

…China isn’t based only on Xi. I imagine they have many redundancies in leadership.
 
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 11 2025 13:26 utc | 36
 

 
Sadly, I disagree. It will be difficult, if not impossible, to replace men like Putin or Xi. Leaders of that caliber are an extremely rare breed.
 
 
Just imagine a Gorbachev 2.0. 😀  The great white hope of the American dream, so to speak.
 
 
(Well, Gorbachev was actually more of a tragic figure than a villain with sinister intentions.)

 
 

 

Posted by: Nobody | Oct 11 2025 14:29 utc | 53

 I don’t think these are negotiation tactics.  US Sanctions are being used by China as a cover to completely kneecap US military capabilities as well as advanced semiconductor manufacturing.  SiCarrier, a Chinese semi conductor equipment manufacturer backed by Huawei and Shenzhen government, will bring out awhole bunch of new products  next week in the major industry show in Shenzhen. Companies like asml lam research apply materials are cooked.

Posted by: cindy6 | Oct 11 2025 14:30 utc | 54

Posted by: canuk | Oct 11 2025 14:18 utc | 49
 
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You, unsurprisingly, fail to mention, that your business experience is all in failure.
 
If b starts a discussion about how to be arrogant and incompetent, that will be your moment to “shine”.
 
Until then, take a nap, the adults are conversing.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 11 2025 14:31 utc | 55

Nobody | Oct 11 2025 14:29 utc | 53
 
China’s path has been very consistent since the death of Mao and with that the ending of the ‘cultural revolution’. And that path has continued through successive generations of leadership.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 11 2025 14:33 utc | 56

Posted by: Nobody | Oct 11 2025 14:29 utc | 53
 
#######
 
The CPC is loaded with talent, it’s not the hero/oligarch worship paradigm of the West.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 11 2025 14:34 utc | 57

No worries. US will invent all the new technologies and tools to get around these illegal restrictions.
Remember US literally invented everything that humanity needs for civilisation. Yup. All before November 8.

Posted by: Surferket | Oct 11 2025 14:37 utc | 58

Xi’s stroke – it sounds like the bad joke turned into a running gag that Putin has a malicious cancer. These folks couldn’t even agree on what type of cancer he should have.

Posted by: MorePain4Cakes | Oct 11 2025 14:37 utc | 59

China India and the rest has a royal flush in hand, ie boycott of American goods and services by billions.

Posted by: Michael J | Oct 11 2025 14:38 utc | 60

@ 20 dodger and @ 24 english outsider
 
excellent commentary from both of you thanks..
 
eo
 
i think you are very right about the west thinking the sanctions would sink russia.. it’s been the opposite..  it wouldn’t surprise me to see this move on trumps part doing the very same thing for china, while driving another nail in the wests coffin..
 
for the past 70 odd years – all of my lifetime, there has been no accountability of the usa for all the wars and suffering they’ve been responsible for on the planet..  for the usa and west to even begin to get back to reality, they will need to begin with accountability..  integrity and hoestly,  – humility too, will be required..  judging by the political class we have in the west today, we are so very far removed from anything like this appearing any time soon..  trump is not the only one by a long shot that epitomizes the level of self centered, and self serving priorities that are the exact opposite of the traits needed in good leaders..  grft, bribery, and etc are the hallmarks of our political class in the west in 2025 instead..  we have a long ways down to go, before getting back on track..  i hope i am wrong, but the signs don’t look good, regardless..

Posted by: james | Oct 11 2025 14:41 utc | 61

Posted by: canuk | Oct 11 2025 13:59 utc | 42

I live in China coming 13 years and the environment is getting incredibly clean each year. Yup.

Posted by: Surferket | Oct 11 2025 14:42 utc | 62

@ 23 richard l
 
thanks also for your commentary..  this is one more example of the changing dynamic with the west, usa in particular, being caught with it’s pants down…. 

Posted by: james | Oct 11 2025 14:44 utc | 63

I am not Chinese. Most people commenting on China know nothing about China. To the Western mind, it may as well be an alien civilization.
 
They won’t have a Gorbachev, such a person could never traverse the party infrastructure to the top because there was a Gorby in Russia.
 
Xi has made it his agenda for all in the party hierarchy to study the collapse of the USSR.
 
One can dislike the Chinese language or aesthetics but to think they operate as Westerners do is silly.
 
The Western way is one way, not the only or best way. To defeat (or work) with another party, understanding is essential.
 
The lack of humility and curiosity of the West is a fatal flaw stemming from the supremacism inherent in Empire.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 11 2025 14:44 utc | 64

China is starting to play hardball as the Xinhuanet posting below shows

BEIJING, Oct. 10 (Xinhua) — China’s countermeasures against the U.S. additional port fees on Chinese ships are “legitimate defense” actions aimed at maintaining a fair competition environment in the international shipping and shipbuilding markets, the Ministry of Commerce said Friday.“The U.S. move is a typical unilateralist action of apparent discriminatory nature, which severely harms the interests of Chinese companies,” a ministry spokesperson said in an online statement.To safeguard the interests of domestic industries, Chinese authorities will charge special port fees on ships with U.S. affiliations, including those flying the U.S. flag, built in the United States, or owned, controlled, or operated by U.S. companies, in accordance with China’s international maritime regulations, the spokesperson said.These countermeasures are set to take effect simultaneously with the U.S. additional port fees on Chinese ships on Oct. 14. China urges the U.S. side to correct its wrongdoings and work with China to find a solution through equal-footed consultation and cooperation, the spokesperson added.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 11 2025 14:45 utc | 65

Posted by: LoveDumbass | Oct 11 2025 14:31 utc | 55
So you agree that the refining process of rare earths are the reason China controls 90% of the sector not your uneducated explanation as you do not argue about the facts; you just, as per usua,l .attack me personally because you have no Intellectual Ammo on the topic at hand.
 
What you think about me personally, I don’t care a whit.

Posted by: canuk | Oct 11 2025 14:47 utc | 66

One day, the confetti-money cannons will go silent.
 
Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Oct 11 2025 14:14 utc | 47
 

 
Wake me when the 10Y hits its all time high.
 
The US 10 Year Treasury Bond Note Yield reached an all time high of 15.82 in September of 1981.

Posted by: too scents | Oct 11 2025 14:55 utc | 67

b missed this important shotgun blast from China.

https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202510/1345336.shtml

Posted by: Surferket | Oct 11 2025 14:56 utc | 68

“Interim Final Rule”.
How Deep State speak can you get?

Posted by: Cabystander | Oct 11 2025 15:00 utc | 69

China is firing shotgun blasts at US on multi fronts and not just on “rare earth”.
NVIDIA’s China specific chips are banned from being sold or use in China because of Chinese concerns of US implanted backdoors and kill-switches. NVIDIA has so far refused to address these concerns with openness.

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/gpus/china-launches-port-crackdown-on-nvidia-chips

Posted by: Surferket | Oct 11 2025 15:04 utc | 70

Meh… the USA can recycle the rare earths from old cell phones, computers, refrigerators, dishwashers, etc. to support the weapons industry.
If it worked for Russia, according to von der Lyin, it should be easy for the USA to copy.

Posted by: Fool Me Twice | Oct 11 2025 15:09 utc | 71

I have yet to read from b and Simplicius what China has to say about such measures. They quote western sources. I prefer to hear it from the Chinese.

Rare earth restrictions on products and technologies are here to stay and not as “negotiating” tools. They are for the expressed purpose that Chinese rare earth, products,and technologies are not to be made into bombs and missiles for US to lob at China. These are dual use resources that in the hands of evil people are being used to threaten and attack China. Hence, China is protecting themselves.

https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202510/1345287.shtml

Posted by: Surferket | Oct 11 2025 15:14 utc | 72

Posted by: Surferket | Oct 11 2025 15:04 utc | 70
 
########
 
US export regulations require backdoors on American tech, putting Nvidia in an impossible situation.
 
99% of the West’s problems are self-harm.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 11 2025 15:15 utc | 73

People who listen to the media know they must hate Trump — that is what they are repeatedly told — and it prevents them from seeing what is really happening.  Let me suggest an alternative explanation for the tariff imbroglio.
First factor is that the US Congress is utterly worthless, despite being “democratically elected”.  This means the President has to find alternative ways to move forward, instead of having a representative Congress which would set a long term policy, practice budget discipline, and stick to it.
Second factor is that the de-industrialization of the US which Our Betters have pursued since the 1970s has been a giant mistake.  One of the consequences is that the US (and much of the West) are now dependent on Russia for critical raw materials and China for all kinds of manufactured products.  Another consequence has been the loss of good jobs, with all the social problems that has brought.  President Trump recognizes that the US needs to re-industrialize — but this is going to be a long-term process (30 years or more — longer than a human generation) and it is going to be very painful.  Think Russia’s suffering after the collapse of the Soviet Union — That Painful!
Well, if it is going to be painful, and the pain is only going to be worse if we delay, then we ought to start re-industrializing right now.  The tariffs are a very crude way of starting the process, but it is all that can be done given the worthlessness of the denizens of Congress.  And by China imposing their own trade restrictions, they are providing a big impulse to starting the long process of re-industrializing the US.

Posted by: Gavin Longmuir | Oct 11 2025 15:21 utc | 74

People don’t get it, still.
 
China has won the trade war, the shipbuilding war, and the chip war.
 
As with Ukraine, we’re watch the long slow defeat actualize. Denial and propaganda buy delay, not victory.
 
People, typically, obsess over minuetae like how rare rare earths are and miss the complete strategic defeat of all Western processes and initiatives.
 
China has a higher standard of living, education, justice.
 
Mines are barely a footnote in what is going on.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 11 2025 15:24 utc | 75

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 11 2025

Just look at Iran’s dismal air defense performance against Israeli and US attacks. The Chinese people are jeering at the Iranians’s love for the west that they must use western parts and equipments and these contain western spyware and kill-switches. They never learned anything from Stuxnet. The Iranians look down on Chinese made weapons and systems, preferring their old and worn out US planes and self made air defense systems made with western parts. They laughed at Chinese systems.
Similarly, Hamas and Hezbollah love their pagers.
Just ask the Pakistanis how they love their Chinese planes, radars, air defense networks, airborne radars. British journal said the Pakistanis shot down 6 Indian planes. Trump just hinted it’s more than 6.

Posted by: Surferket | Oct 11 2025 15:26 utc | 76

Posted by: Gavin Longmuir | Oct 11 2025 15:21 utc | 74
 
#######
 
De-industrialization is a result of many things. Financialization, social change, better competition from abroad, leadership, objectives, law, etc.
 
The jobs didn’t “just” go. They were lost. The West had a nearly insurmountable lead that it let slip away.
 
To this day, America refuses to reform education or government spending. Until those two things are addressed, the future is bleak for the colonial human traffickers of the USA.
 
Good.
 
America delenda est.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 11 2025 15:30 utc | 77

Posted by: Gavin Longmuir | Oct 11 2025 15:21 utc | 74

You missed the important fact that US loves destroying things, not building things. The so-called “reindustrialsing” US by forcing foreign chip companies to relocate is a failure. They tried but US no longer has the educated workforce required for these industries. They don’t do STEM anymore.

Posted by: Surferket | Oct 11 2025 15:30 utc | 78

Posted by: Surferket | Oct 11 2025 15:26 utc | 76
 
#########
 
Iran has a complicated society. It doesn’t have the ethnocentricity or atheism of China.
 
Iran didn’t have a century of humiliation or dealt with any Opium war.
 
You’re engaging in the sort of triumphalism that the Yanks do and which, IMO, has led to collapse.
 
There is never a good time or any upside to arrogance or self-congratulation.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 11 2025 15:36 utc | 79

It isn’t settled down “but for China”…
 
Recently, Japan, South Korea & Canada have paused … and not signing initial agreements with US.
 
 I don’t have to go into why, it’s the same old thing, “new” demands after initial agreements were made by US.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 11 2025 15:37 utc | 80

re: Nobody | Oct 11 2025 14:29 utc | 53
Nobody with no idea.

Posted by: tucenz | Oct 11 2025 15:37 utc | 81

 
If not off the subject, Trukhan:-
 
https://eastcalling.substack.com/cp/175722046
 
As usual, Russian first and then the translation.  Contents as summarised:-
 

  • Life on new territories. How do people from “old” Russia feel about those who joined recently
  •  
  • What if Ukraine joins EU?
  •  
  • Drone Hysteria in Europe
  •  
  • Fuel shortages in Russia
  •  
  • (spoiler – the most interesting part) ability of the US to project power and what if direct war with Russia occurs

https://maratkhairullin.substack.com/

Posted by: English Outsider | Oct 11 2025 15:39 utc | 82

This article goes into details of what b posted.
Make Warwick your regular read as he does the financial details of geopolitical events.

https://warwickpowell.substack.com/p/chinas-material-squeeze-exposes-us

Posted by: Surferket | Oct 11 2025 15:40 utc | 83

They laughed at Chinese systems.Similarly, Hamas and Hezbollah love their pagers.Posted by: Surferket | Oct 11 2025 15:26 utc | 76
 
No, I doubt they laughed at the Chinese and Russian systems. It was more a wish to remain independent and self sufficient in that regard.
Iranian missile tech is far in advance of the US and Israel. Iran, Russia and China have to be looked at as the big three when it comes to missile tech.
Most of the damage done to Iran in the 12 day was was drones launched internally from many sleeper cells that had been set up over three years. They knocked out a number of Iranian same systems and that created a path were the Israelis got a few air launched missiles through.
 
The military wing of Hezbollah did not have pagers. Hezbollah are part of the Lebanese government and they run a number of civilian hospitals and other civilian services. It was the civilian sector that used pagers. They all had their hands blown off and other injuries. The leadership of the Hezbollah military met and that’s when the Israel/US hit.
 
Mossad are very good at setting up hits that are three to five years in the making but when it comes to military/missile tech, they are a long way behind.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 11 2025 15:44 utc | 84

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 11 2025 15:36 utc | 80

The Chinese people applaud for every Iranian missiles that slammed into Israel so there’s no ethno-centric floating but very factual understanding of Iran’s pro west inclination. To the point even today of desperately needing US acceptance went the facts show Trump are just playing with them and will accept nothing less than unconditional surrender. The west won’t waste time negotiating with a country they don’t fear.

Posted by: Surferket | Oct 11 2025 15:45 utc | 85

Great topic today, B.  I saw the Dow dropped by nearly a thousand points yesterday and read a few blurbs about Trump’s tweets on X.  As per usual, you summed everything up accurately for rational assessment.  
“But U.S. negotiators under Secretary of Commerce Howard Lutnick tried to play hardball.”.  Zio sheisters gonna be sheisty!  
On the larger scale, this is just another instance of US Imperialism revealing just how delusional it has become in its old age.  Every time it fails to recognize hard reality and commits itself to an unwinnable move, is another nail in the coffin.  How many times does it get to fall down in the shower, fight with the nurses and forget to take it’s meds before it’s sent to the rest home?  Each blunder is another valuable lesson for the ROW.  
In the end, he’s going to chicken out.  Even if he’s too stupid to realize his error, looking at the market reaction Friday, he’s going to be flooded with calls from panicky hedge fund Zios all weekend.  His childlike trust in their “intelligence” will be enough for him to backtrack once again.  
The alternative is a near certain market crash in the US and then all of its vassal states.  One which, China will not help to bail out again.  If he’s that stupid, we get an early collapse and a golden opportunity for those most effected, wage slaves, to strike back.  
If he and his handlers have half a brain they will return to absolute free trade with China and restrict his bulling to those masochist little vassal countries about the world who love to be beaten by their weak, senile master.  
Honestly, you don’t have to be a Dr. Hudson to figure this development out….
 

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Oct 11 2025 15:48 utc | 86

BHP agrees to settle iron ore contracts in RMB with China
 
SG Talkhttps://sgtalk.net › Thread-BHP-agrees-to-settle-iron-ore-…
7 hours ago — China-BHP Billiton negotiations on iron ore supply result in RMB trading settlement, opening ne

Posted by: denk | Oct 11 2025 15:49 utc | 87

..
One can dislike the Chinese language or aesthetics but to think they operate as Westerners do is silly…
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 11 2025 14:44 utc | 64
Ok we know you can’t eat pork etc anymore but what is wrong with their language or aesthetics, Loveydoofus?

Posted by: tucenz | Oct 11 2025 15:52 utc | 88

There is never a good time or any upside to arrogance or self-congratulation.
 
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 11 2025 15:36 utc | 80
 
So true.  Leave that stupidity to the billionaires and their court jesters: rappers and professional athletes.  

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Oct 11 2025 15:54 utc | 89

US export regulations require backdoors on American tech, putting Nvidia in an impossible situation. 
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 11 2025 15:15 utc | 73
 

 
China launches antitrust probe into US chip giant Qualcomm
 
The investigation is related to Qualcomm’s acquisition of the Israeli vehicle semiconductor company Autotalks
 
Updated: 9:06pm, 10 Oct 2025
 
China has opened an investigation into US chip giant Qualcomm, as Beijing intensifies its technology war with Washington amid heightened trade tensions.
 
The US company was suspected of violating China’s anti-monopoly law in its acquisition of the Israeli vehicle semiconductor company Autotalks, the State Administration for Market Regulation (SAMR) said in a statement on Friday, without disclosing further details.
 
Qualcomm announced in June that it had completed the acquisition of Autotalks, which specialises in “direct vehicle-to-everything” solutions.
 
continues ==> https://www.scmp.com/tech/big-tech/article/3328542/china-launches-antitrust-probe-us-chip-giant-qualcomm

So there you have it. China does not want Israeli spy tech in automobiles.

Posted by: too scents | Oct 11 2025 15:58 utc | 90

Re-education for American idiots…

Donald Trump and the citizens of the US are about to learn some very hard, costly lessons. If you’re going to get into a trade war with another country, you should be sure that you control or have access to all the critical minerals and resources you need to produce essential items, such as weapons, drones or prescription drugs. Trump and his team failed to understand this critical issue and have now provoked China into a trade war that the US cannot win.

https://sonar21.com/chinas-had-enough-xi-calls-trumps-bluff/

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Oct 11 2025 16:00 utc | 91

Lutnick is like most of the tribes wealthy movers and shakers today. A midwit nepotism case who has always managed to fail upward smelling like a rose with endless sweetheart financing deals from his fellow tribe members. 
Posted by: Tmj | Oct 11 2025 11:20 utc | 17
Straight up truth, right there, TMJ.  Meanwhile in the West, these cheap hustlers are depicted as a race of geniuses mere mortals can only struggle to understand.  An ethnic finance mafia, the highest achievement of mankind!  

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Oct 11 2025 16:01 utc | 92

Reuters
https://www.reuters.com › world › china › us-port-fees-…
4 days ago — Trump’s administration said fees imposed on ships built, owned or operated by Chinese entities will help pay to revive U.S. shipbuilding. A .
————————————–LIke father, like son
 
‘Britain imposed port fee on Dutch ships in 1651 to cripple Dutch shipping, leading to subsequent Anglo/Dutch wars.’

Posted by: denk | Oct 11 2025 16:01 utc | 93

Iranian missile tech is far in advance of the US and Israel. Iran, Russia and China have to be looked at as the big three when it comes to missile tech.
 
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 11 2025 15:44 utc | 85
 

 
Iran got their missile tech courtesy of the DPRK and their assistance with SCUD engineering.
 
The DPRK is no joke.

Posted by: too scents | Oct 11 2025 16:02 utc | 94

Posted by: tucenz | Oct 11 2025 15:52 utc | 89
 
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I was addressing bigotry.
 
Interesting that bit caught your interest…

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 11 2025 16:02 utc | 95

From Reuters –
BEIJING/TAIPEI, Oct 11 (Reuters) – Chinese police on Saturday offered rewards of $1,400 for information about 18 people it said were Taiwanese military psychological operations officers spreading “separatist” messages, a day after Taiwan pledged to boost its defences.
China views democratically-governed Taiwan as its own territory, over the strong objections of the government in Taipei, and has increased its military and political pressure against the island.
…………………….
 
The second paragraph – Reuters always put in that propaganda blurb. Moist dumbfucks in the west actually think China and the Island of Taiwan ROC are two different countries.
 
A major move has been going on in the last month by the US tools there to turn Taiwan into another Ukraine. To force China to into China to control of the province via military means.
About time other countries started putting bounties on the scalps of the Western NGO’s and assorted US tools. Though I think China should up the bounty a lot. 
 

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 11 2025 16:03 utc | 96

Why does the global economy have to be organized on nationalism?  All that does is give petty dictators control over their fiefdoms to the point they are enabled to attack the humans in the next fief over (capitalism requires endless growth).I know world government sounds scary but if it could be organized under pressure from the 8+ billion of us who have common interests (food, shelter, medical care, etc.) it sure as hell seems better than the death march we now have under global capitalism.

Posted by: Lidna | Oct 11 2025 16:05 utc | 97

A midwit nepotism case who has always managed to fail upward 
Posted by: Tmj | Oct 11 2025 11:20 utc | 17
 

 
Not remotely correct.  Lutnick is a magician that poses as a clown to trick the suckers.  He is very sly at misdirection.

Posted by: too scents | Oct 11 2025 16:05 utc | 98

Re-education for American idiots…
 
Donald Trump and the citizens of the US are about to learn some very hard, costly lessons. If you’re going to get into a trade war with another country, you should be sure that you control or have access to all the critical minerals and resources you need to produce essential items, such as weapons, drones or prescription drugs. Trump and his team failed to understand this critical issue and have now provoked China into a trade war that the US cannot win.
 
https://sonar21.com/chinas-had-enough-xi-calls-trumps-bluff/
 
Posted by: Aleph_Null | Oct 11 2025 16:00 utc | 92
 
As though citizens of the US had any power to change any of this at this point.  Fuck anyone who blames this on the wage slaves of the West.  And is China helping us organize against our crazed ruling class?  No.  Not at all.  Anyone thrilled that powerless working people will suffer for these decisions deserves to suffer the same or worse.  If China is Communist as some here wish to believe with all their hearts, where is their Comintern at the moment its most needed?  Do they not seek the liberation of workers through global communist revolution?  To pose the question is to answer it.  China is merely a more rational sustainable Capitalism.  

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Oct 11 2025 16:06 utc | 99

Posted by: Surferket | Oct 11 2025 15:45 utc | 86
 
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Projecting fear is how the West operates.
 
At the end of the day, beyond all of the words, there is what one can and is willing to do.
 
If people haven’t figured out a threat, that is their problem.
 
Bullying and intimidation are Western animal tactics, not successful human ones.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 11 2025 16:09 utc | 100