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October 16, 2025
Trump’s War Against ‘Left-leaning’ Groups Extends Further

There are a number of indicators which lets one predict that the Trump administration, during the next election, will use government forces to severely attack and disrupt all opposition to it.

Trump has send the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents into the cities to harass and arrest alleged illegal immigrants. Due cause is disregarded and the methods used by the agents are brutal.

Trump has also sent National Guard troops into cities where, he claimed, riots were taking place. There were no riots or ‘terrorist incidents’ but the presence of troops is used to create a militarized atmosphere.

A new National Security Presidential Memorandum, NSPM-7 issued by Trump has defined new classes of internal enemies:

With the mainstream media distracted by the made-for-TV drama of James Comey’s indictment, Trump has signed a little-noticed national security directive identifying “anti-Christian” and “anti-American” views as indicators of radical left violence.

In NSPM-7, “Countering Domestic Terrorism and Organized Political Violence,” President Trump directs the Justice Department, the FBI, and other national security agencies and departments to fight his version of political violence in America, retooling a network of Joint Terrorism Task Forces to focus on “leftist” political violence in America. This vast counterterrorism army, made up of federal, state, and local agents would, as Trump aide Stephen Miller said, form “the central hub of that effort.”

The Trump administration isn’t only targeting organizations or groups but even individuals and “entities” whom NSPM-7 says can be identified by any of the following “indicia” (indicators) of violence:
anti-Americanism,

  • anti-capitalism,
  • anti-Christianity,
  • support for the overthrow of the United States Government,
  • extremism on migration,
  • extremism on race,
  • extremism on gender,
  • hostility towards those who hold traditional American views on family,
  • hostility towards those who hold traditional American views on religion, and
  • hostility towards those who hold traditional American views on morality.

“The United States requires a national strategy to investigate and disrupt networks, entities, and organizations that foment political violence so that law enforcement can intervene in criminal conspiracies before they result in violent political acts,” the directive states (emphasis mine).

That all may sound laughable but these are unfortunately serious policies .  The target list includes organizations which do not exist:

The FBI and the homeland security department are actively investigating “Antifa” individuals and organizations that the Trump administration has branded domestic terrorists. Actions so far include collecting intelligence on Antifa “affinity” groups, canvassing the FBI’s vast informant network for tips about Antifa, and scrutinizing financial records, two sources involved in the investigations tell me.

There are no ‘antifa’ organizations. ‘Antifa’ is the idea of fighting indications of fascism. From time to time local interest groups may claim to do so for this or that reason. This category ‘antifa’ was likely chosen because it can be applied to any group that opposes government policies.

Today Yves Smith reports of another enforcement agency that Trump will use to destroy opposition to him:

The war against Trump’s perceived political enemies keeps escalating. The Wall Street Journal provides new detail on how the Trump Administration intends to use an IRS criminal unit, whose members bear arms, as part of his campaign against “left-leaning” organizations. This fallows a Reuters account describing how the Trump Administration intends to use the Department of Justice and DHS to pursue “left wing” groups that allegedly fomented violence.

Now to the press accounts. Key sections from the Journal’s report:

The Trump administration is preparing sweeping changes at the Internal Revenue Service that would allow the agency to pursue criminal inquiries of left-leaning groups more easily, according to people familiar with the matter.

A senior IRS official involved in the effort has drawn up a list of potential targets that includes major Democratic donors, some of the people said.

The undertaking aims to install allies of President Trump at the IRS criminal-investigative division, or IRS-CI, to exert firmer control over the unit and weaken the involvement of IRS lawyers in criminal investigations, officials said. The proposed changes could open the door to politically motivated probes…

Among those on the list are the billionaire Democratic donor George Soros and his affiliated groups…

Many on the left will not mind any attack on George Soros as his organization is well know for financing foreign color revolutions against legitimate leftist rulers. We can however be assured that Trump wont stop with them:

The list includes Soros’ Open Society Foundations; ActBlue, the funding arm of the Democratic Party; Indivisible, a grassroots coalition opposed to Trump policies and the Coalition for Humane Immigrant Rights, a Los Angeles-based group.

Other groups on the list include two Jewish nonprofits that oppose Israel’s war in Gaza – IfNotNow and Jewish Voice for Peace.

There is unfortunately little institutional or political opposition that can restrain Trump:

The push against domestic groups and their donors comes amid Trump’s attacks on law firms, universities and the media, and his deployment of National Guard troops to some Democratic-run cities.

Timothy Naftali, a presidential historian and former director of the Richard Nixon presidential library, said Trump and Nixon were similar in their desire to punish political enemies and silence critics, but a pliant Republican-controlled Congress and a cabinet packed with loyalists are enabling Trump to go further.

“That’s why this particular moment is more dangerous for the rule of law in the United States than the 1970s were,” Naftali said.

All these are ominous signs that Trumps war on the political opposition will escalate further. Seymour Hersh’s sources are warning of this:

What’s happening now may be a trial run for the use of those forces to interfere on the behalf of the president and the Republican Party in states where the Democratic Party has a chance to win crucial seats in next fall’s Congressional elections. I’ve been told by someone with inside knowledge that planning for such action is now under way in the White House.

The ‘coerced dominance’ that has marked Trump’s brutal approach to foreign policy will now being applied to domestic issues and legitimate opposition.

Russell Vought, Trumps’s Director of the Office of Management and Budget, and Stephen Miller, the White House deputy chief of staff for policy, are the men behind this.

The scary thing is that there is, so far, little or any opposition to these plans and only few warnings about their consequences.

Comments

Click-bait.  Could also put forth the nouns “Fauci” or “Hillary” or “Obama” or “climate change” or “trannies”.  Red meat!

Posted by: ThouShalt | Oct 17 2025 1:59 utc | 301

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 17 2025 0:58 utc | 284
 
######This is the end of Empire.
 
Anything is possible.
 
For the power elite, this is a dangerous time, so they will do anything like cornered animals. They started with a lack of moral values to begin with.
 
I fully expected a martial law-type scenario in America. I expect it in France, Germany, and the UK as well.
 
War is coming, but first things have to get really, really bad.
 
This policy move was telegraphed when Trump started attacking academia for criticizing Israel and the deportations of citizens.
 
The dollar is a small factor. t’s a rash caused by a compromised immune system damaged by cancer spreading throughout the body.
 
The rash is not fatal; the cancer is.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 17 2025 2:01 utc | 302

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 17 2025 1:21 utc | 295
 
Exactly – Makes a lot of sense and saves a lot of emotional time fighting over an obvious illusion.  
 
I am lucky enough in my life to have seen both sides of the equation between being an employee and being an employer. So I have learned to have sympathy for both.  I have also worked in places where there were flat models of governance that tried to obtain consensus decisions, and others places where top down was a better option due to the time limitations and need to act quickly. Obviously using both methods are plausible according to the conditions that prevail and the moment in time that a response was needed. Often people forget about the fourth dimension of time in Left and Right discussions and whether to accelerate or put the brakes on in either direction depending on the situation.
 
Obviously people don’ like bully boy employers, but equally they don’t like bully boy unions. Both can be destructive to everyone’s prosperity and well being.
 
China has a very long history as you would obviously know, and often the government displays the wisdom that is derived from such things as the Dao (or Tao) and the best of Confucianism which is installed in Chinese minds.
 
One could say the same for Russia, but not so many people know much about its culture either. I have the impression that Putin is quite influenced by Eastern thought and philosophy as well, hence his quite relaxed behaviour and desire to avoid pointless diatribe etc. when discussing the West or Trump. He nor Lavrov do not appear to express themselves (at least publicly) out of unfettered emotional reaction. Like the Chinese I get the sense that Russia plans way ahead and has answers for most problems well mapped out in advance. Very organized cool heads, and they don’t throw the baby out with the bath water.

Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Oct 17 2025 2:04 utc | 303

Posted by: itsallsotiresome | Oct 17 2025 1:27 utc | 296
 
Surprisingly those who claim to be  Right are guilty of all that too and there are thousands of references in history too.
One can claim to be anything in this world, but it is how you act that defines your true character and whether you fit the definition. It isn’t just about wearing a T-Shirt with a brand name on it, same with religions and anything else.

Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Oct 17 2025 2:09 utc | 304

Wait, there’s more!
 
“Epstein”, “Charlie Kirk”, “antifa”, “City of London”, “foreskins”, so many red-meat ways to get us yacking at each other’s throats.  And the biggie from the Biden admin “white supremecists!”.

Posted by: ThouShalt | Oct 17 2025 2:09 utc | 305

Posted by: ThouShalt | Oct 17 2025 1:33 utc | 297
 
Trump obviously stirs up discussions because he as the subject is an extremely divisive and chaotic personality.

Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Oct 17 2025 2:12 utc | 306

Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Oct 17 2025 2:12 utc | 306
 
I think Trump was put in place to fully discredit real MAGA.  

Posted by: ThouShalt | Oct 17 2025 2:16 utc | 307

That is simply just not true.In other words, complete horseshit.“Antifa” has no governing body, no board of directors, no directors at all, no offices, no mailing address, no website, no charter, none of that. Therefore it cannot even be classified as an organization at all. ***Posted by: George the Zeroth | Oct 16 2025 23:49 utc | 266 By this logic there is no existence of or influence of anybody by Alcoholics Anonymous.  Antifa exists. Nobody has shined a light on their funding because rent-a-mobs are useful – kind of like Maidan in 2014 was just an idea. 
Posted by: frithguild | Oct 17 2025 0:03 utc | 272
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What? What you wrote makes no sense; AA is a well-known organization. Everybody knows that. “Anfifa” is not.
And all this stuff about “Antifa” being funded (by the likes of that bete noir George Soros, natch):
Where’s the evidence for that? That’s just a weak-assed MAGA trope with no basis in reality. (And just to be clear, I’m no fan of Soros here, but he’s not the puppeteer pulling the strings here. Anything stupid that “Antifa” does—and yes, they have done lots of stupid things—is just on them as individual actors, not on some imagined Wizard of Oz mastermind.)

Posted by: George the Zeroth | Oct 17 2025 2:17 utc | 308

*** American food is gross when compared to relatively unadulterated food elsewhere.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 17 2025 1:09 utc | 291
 
It’s beyond gross – it is poison. I do not consume alcohol, nicotine, drugs of any kind, sugar, artificial sweeteners, seed oils,  artificial flavoring or wheat grown in the US – not easy because this eliminates about 85% of the food on the shelves in any US supermarket. Yet unless I am eating game meat, the animals i consume were sick from being fed all these poisons. After a few weeks overseas my physiology changes – I even smell different. 

Posted by: frithguild | Oct 17 2025 2:26 utc | 309

Either I’m right, or we have really entered Idiocracy worse than the movie,  and there is no hope any longer to turn it around.  It is done.

Posted by: ThouShalt | Oct 17 2025 2:27 utc | 310

Americans are inherently a little crazy. But now the crazy is being enabled by politicians in the White House and by the internet. How exactly did it get so bad?
 
 

▸13 min Transcript — with  Kurt Andersen

 
 

Back in the 1800s – before the 20th century, American journalism was a very, very factionalized partisan thing. Political parties had their own newspapers and their own magazines and everyone gave its version of political spin and interpretation.

 
 
 
20th century, for a variety of reasons not just because we got smarter or more rational, maybe somewhat that, there began being more of a shared set of facts in our media. People disagree violently left, right, center, whatever, but the facts were agreed upon.
 
 
 
What has been enabled in the last 30 years, first through deregulated talk radio where you didn’t have to be fair and balanced anymore then national cable television, FOX News comes to mind, and then, of course, the Internet as well where these more and more not just politically different points of view but these alternate factual realities could be portrayed and depicted. We’ve been in that state now for 20 years
 
 
So there’s a history of oh I believe this or I believe this or slavery is good, no slavery is bad, those are disagreements. But in 1860 Southerners didn’t say “oh no there are no slaves. No there’s no slavery.” That’s the condition we have now. That is the Kellyanne Conway/Donald Trump situation and Republican Party situation before Donald Trump ever came along where we say no there’s no climate change or oh this factual truth is not true.  That’s the new thing and this new media infrastructure is a new condition.
 
 
 
Now, it may not be the end of things as a result, but we don’t know yet. We’re only 20 years into it and maybe we’ll learn new protocols of what to believe and what not, we’ll grow up and be able to accommodate ourselves to this new media situation, but I’m worried that we won’t and I’m worried that a significant fraction of us, for now mostly on the right but there’s no reason it should be limited to the right, will be in their bubble and their silo and with their own reality and not be able to be retrieved into the reality-based world.

Posted by: dodger | Oct 17 2025 2:27 utc | 311

So the Prophet Muhammed wed his wife, Aisha, at 6 years old and consummated the marriage when she was nine.Kinda think ‘child sex abuse and child trafficking is involved in that transaction, Dumbass- take that off your uninformed list.
Posted by: canuk | Oct 16 2025 16:51 utc | 79

1) Recent scholarship reveals that ‘Aisha was closer to 18 years of age when her marriage was consummated.
https://yaqeeninstitute.org/read/paper/aisha-ra-the-case-for-an-older-age-in-sunni-hadith-scholarship
2) ‘Aisha was the daughter of Muhammad’s best friend and closest companion, Abu Bakr, who became the first Caliph following Muhammad’s death.
Now, there were incidents in the life of Muhammad about which rumors were spread concerning either him, his wives, or his companions. These are explicitly mentioned in biographical literature.
Muhammad’s marriage to ‘Aisha is not one of them. Had there been any issue concerning it, this surely would have been referenced in biographies.
3) The average age of Muslim women at marriage is in their early to mid twenties.
4) The vast majority of Muslim American women don’t even seek parental consent to marry at 16 or 17, as is their legal right in many states.
You’re welcome.

Posted by: phynyte | Oct 17 2025 2:31 utc | 312

And the Euros and the Aussies and Canucks and Brits play along with the Idiocracy, because they are all fully captured.

Posted by: ThouShalt | Oct 17 2025 2:33 utc | 313

The ouroboros is an ancient symbol depicting a serpent or dragon eating its own tail, representing cyclicality, eternity, and the interconnectedness of all things. It symbolizes creation and destruction, death and rebirth, and the unity of opposites. The symbol has appeared in numerous cultures and mythologies, including ancient Egyptian, Norse, and Greek, and has also been adopted by alchemists and psychologists.
Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 16 2025 15:13 utc | 5
Indeed it was, interesting how “modern” religions saw a “serpent” and labelled it as a sign of evil, based on some misinterpreted biblical story.

Posted by: Organic | Oct 17 2025 2:39 utc | 314

*** AA is a well-known organization. Everybody knows that. ***
Posted by: George the Zeroth | Oct 17 2025 2:17 utc | 308
AA is not an organization. It has no corporate existence – it cannot be sued. Here are some of the Traditions: 
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4. Each group should be autonomous except in matters affecting other groups or A.A. as a whole.
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6. An A.A. group ought never endorse, finance, or lend the A.A. name to any related facility or outside enterprise, lest problems of money, property, and prestige divert us from our primary purpose.7. Every A.A. group ought to be fully self-supporting, declining outside contributions.8. Alcoholics Anonymous should remain forever nonprofessional, but our service centers may employ special workers.9. A.A., as such, ought never be organized; but we may create service boards or committees directly responsible to those they serve.
 
So, AA is just an idea – it doesnt really exist. I wouldn’t be surprised if Antifa patterns itself after AA.
 
At the end of an AA meeting the attendees put a buck in the basket so the rent for the room gets paid and you have free coffee for the next meeting. Antifa probably doesn’t work like that. 

Posted by: frithguild | Oct 17 2025 2:40 utc | 315

It all really is the “God of Mammon cult”.  Back in the olden days it was called “the Money Power”.  Same thing.  

Posted by: ThouShalt | Oct 17 2025 2:41 utc | 316

There are around 17 sahih hadiths in Bukhari, Muslim, and other collections where Aisha herself narrates her age. She states that she was married at 6 or 7 and the marriage was consummated at 9.
These hadiths are consistent and among the most authentic in Islam. They cannot simply be disregarded because they are uncomfortable. If sahih hadiths are to be accepted at all, these must be as well. Picking and choosing the ones which align with your own narrative is cherry picking.
Why can’t we just ignore or disregard hadiths? Hadiths are central to Islam. The Quran alone does not provide enough material for law, ritual or daily practice. Almost every detail of Islamic life comes from hadith. To dismiss these reports about Aisha would undermine the foundation of Islamic tradition.
Without hadiths, there isn’t much of a functional religion left. And this isn’t just a personal opinion, it’s how Islam has always operated from it’s inception. The overwhelming majority of Muslims, historically and today, rely on hadiths. Entire governments, schools of law and entire institutions have been built on them and operational since over a 1000+ years. This isn’t some fringe interpretation or new phenomenon, it is the core of how Islam has been operating since the 6th century.
Renowned Islamic scholars and historians all agree on the Age of Aisha:

  • Al-Tabari: “Abu Bakr married [Aisha] to him when she was [only] six years old” (The Last Years of the Prophet, Volume 6, Al-Tabari link). In Volume 9 he clarifies she hadn’t reached puberty when she was married.
  • Ibn Kathir: “(The Prophet) married her when she was six years old and consummated the marriage at the age of nine. There is no dispute among anyone on this matter” (as-Seera al-Nabawiyah, Vol. 2, p. 141; al-Bidayah wa al-Nihayah, Vol. 3, p. 161).
  • Ibn Abd al-Barr: “They unanimously agreed he did not consummate the marriage except in Medina when she was nine years old. She was six or seven years old when he married her” (al-Isti’ab, Vol. 1, p. 44).

Even modern Islamic sites like IslamQA affirm this without hesitation.

Posted by: itsallsotiresome | Oct 17 2025 2:44 utc | 318

Antifascist groups are fascist groups in lipstick. All these so called Left groups are funded by the same people that fund Trump and his Right groups. It is all about creating division and having us fight each other, just don’t glance at the elephant in the room, nothing to see there.

Posted by: Organic | Oct 17 2025 2:44 utc | 319

ThouShalt | Oct 17 2025 2:33 utc | 313
 
The US first has to fall before anything can change. Zapping the City of London and Tel Aviv would also help a lot.
 
The globalist media all singing the same tune. That has to be busted up. And the western education systems that parrot globalist media must be reformed.
 
The western world has to crash before it can be changed.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 17 2025 2:46 utc | 320

*** American food is gross when compared to relatively unadulterated food elsewhere.Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 17 2025 1:09 utc | 291 It’s beyond gross – it is poison. I do not consume alcohol, nicotine, drugs of any kind, sugar, artificial sweeteners, seed oils,  artificial flavoring or wheat grown in the US – not easy because this eliminates about 85% of the food on the shelves in any US supermarket. Yet unless I am eating game meat, the animals i consume were sick from being fed all these poisons. After a few weeks overseas my physiology changes – I even smell different. 
Posted by: frithguild | Oct 17 2025 2:26 utc | 309
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Again with the sweeping generalizations, hand-waving and other unhelpful ways of arguing.
OK, I’m sitting here at my bar, having had 2 drinks, one of my own creation (see below), and I feel fine.
I’m always a little suspicious of teetotalers, at least professed teetotalers like you, just like opening the door to a couple of Jehova’s Witnesses.
“American food”? That’s such a broad category as to preclude any specificity. Since we ‘Muricans are nothing if not not sponges, absorbers of other cultures and co-optor of them, “our” food is now basically “world food”, in better and worse qualities. We have scoured the earth for any cuisine that’s the least bit exciting, cutting-edge and, well, just differrent from McDonalds and made it our own, for better or worse.
But maybe you’re referring to that whipping boy of cuisine, the fast-food/junk-food culture. Which definitely exists. Having lived in the poor parts of town and gone to the neighborhood bodegas a time or two I know about that. But you know what? In most places in the United States of Amnesia, you really don’t have to eat that way. You have choices. Even in the most MAGA rural parts of the country there are farmer’s markets and organic food and all that good stuff. So it’s really more up to you than up to the surrounding dominant culture.
 
Sure, I’ve got my complaints: everything has too much sugar in it (my fantasized genius idea is going to food companies and suggesting “how about if you put in just half the sugar?”). Too much salt, Etc., etc.
 
But even in my cuisine-deficient part of the world there’s good, even wholesome food available. Because we ‘Muricans demand, more than anything, moar stuff! So among that stuff is going to be good food.
 
My pet peeve is this: Why is organic food an extra-cost boutique “alternative”? Shouldn’t all food be organic? Why should we have to pay extra for something that’s just … better?
 
BTW, my guide to eating is pretty much Michael Pollan’s: Eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants.

Posted by: George the Zeroth | Oct 17 2025 2:46 utc | 321

LoveDonbass is the grand champion of “sweeping generalizations” at MoA.  

Posted by: ThouShalt | Oct 17 2025 2:54 utc | 322

Forgot to tell the bar about my drink. I (kinda sorta) invented this myself. Actually, it’s a variation on a drink from my copy of Old Mr. Boston De Luxe Official Bartender’s Guide.
The drink there is called the “Cabaret Cocktail”.  I call mine the “Copper Queen Cocktail”*, which is a variation on that drink:

  • 1 jigger gin
  • 1 tsp. sweet vermouth
  • x tsp. Benedectine
  • 2 dashes bitters

Shake well with ice and serve.
* The name has no real meaning; I just like it, which is the name of a (former) open-pit copper mine in the semi-ghost town of Bisbee, Arizona. Which was the site of a little-known but quite significant event, the Bisbee Deportation, where hundreds of “Wobblies” (members of the IWW, the Internat’l. Workers of the World union) were forcibly deported by the mine operators in 1917, herded onto cattle cars and driven east into New Mexico. A despicable chapter in US history that nobody knows about.
 
If you can get ahold of it, read James Byrkit’s Forging the Copper Collar for a vivid history.
 
BTW, I’ve been to Bisbee, and highly recommend it to anyone touring in southern Arizona.

Posted by: George the Zeroth | Oct 17 2025 2:57 utc | 323

LoveDonbass is the grand champion of “sweeping generalizations” at MoA.  
Posted by: ThouShalt | Oct 17 2025 2:54 utc | 322
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Well, he’s one of them, anyway.

Posted by: George the Zeroth | Oct 17 2025 2:58 utc | 324

@itsallsotiresome #318
In questioning the hadith concerning ‘Aisha’s age at the time of marriage, the traditionalist Syrian scholar of ḥadīth, Ṣalāḥ al-Dīn al-Idlibī, isn’t seeking to undermine the entire corpus of hadith literature.  Here’s the abstract for further detail:

A famous ḥadīth states that ʿĀisha was 9 years old when her marriage with the Prophet ﷺ was consummated. However, in the science of ḥadīth verification (muṣṭalaḥ al-ḥadīth), there are several conditions for the veracity of a ḥadīth, the last two of which are the absence of ʿilal (hidden defects) and shudhudh (discrepancy). Criticism of the ʿĀisha-age ḥadīth has been mounted on this basis by the traditionalist Syrian scholar of ḥadīth, Ṣalāḥ al-Dīn al-Idlibī. He determines the content of the ʿĀisha-age ḥadīth to be discrepant (shādhdh) and defective (maʿlūl) on the basis of numerous evidences which collectively suggest that ʿĀisha was born four years prior to the start of the Prophetic mission, betrothed to the Prophet ﷺ in the tenth year of prophethood at age fourteen, and married to him one year after the migration at the age of almost 18. Discrepancy is established by many arguments including that it contradicts other aḥadīth even in Ṣaḥīḥ Bukhārī, for instance, where ʿĀisha explains that by the time she attained the age of awareness, her parents were already following Islam—which logically necessitates that she was born prior to their conversion. In addition to demonstrating discrepancy with ḥadīth sources, he draws upon many biographical sources including Ibn Saʿd, Ibn Isḥāq, Al-Ṭabarī, Ibn ʿAsākir, Abū Nuʿaym, Ibn al-Athīr, Ibn ʿAbd al-Barr, and others. The collective weight of these evidences is what he mobilizes to assert that the ʿĀisha-age ḥadīth can be attributed to a mistaken statement in the transmitted report (at-tawahhum qawl al-murawī).
https://yaqeeninstitute.org/read/paper/aisha-ra-the-case-for-an-older-age-in-sunni-hadith-scholarship

 

 

Posted by: phynyte | Oct 17 2025 2:59 utc | 325

  • 1 jigger gin
  • 1 tsp. sweet vermouth
  • ½ tsp. Benedictine
  • 2 dashes bitters

Posted by: George the Zeroth | Oct 17 2025 2:57 utc | 323

Posted by: George the Zeroth | Oct 17 2025 3:00 utc | 326

George the Zeroth | Oct 17 2025 2:46 utc | 321
 
I don’t bother much with organic not much extra value in the extra dollars. Organic usually produces much less yet production costs similar or higher so the produce is expensive.
 
I have started buying free range chicken for the simple reason there if far less fat on them. slightly dearer, but with the cheaper chicken I am also purchasing a lot of fat. So the free range works out good value.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 17 2025 3:02 utc | 327

Posted by: phynyte | Oct 17 2025 2:59 utc | 325
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Puleeze, spare us the Talmudic hairsplitting and rationalization regarding the pederastic basis of Islam.

Posted by: George the Zeroth | Oct 17 2025 3:04 utc | 328

Well, he’s one of them, anyway.
Posted by: George the Zeroth | Oct 17 2025 2:58 utc | 324

 
True.  There are other unrecognized trolls.

Posted by: ThouShalt | Oct 17 2025 3:05 utc | 329

The article you reference is a recent apologist claim and is easily debunked:
Mistranslated Bukhari Hadith
Well, if we look at the original Arabic text of Sahih Bukhari 476, we can see the phrase:
لَمْ أَعْقِلْ أَبَوَىَّ إِلاَّ وَهُمَا يَدِينَانِ الدِّينَ
Which roughly translates to “I did not remember my parents except as practicing the religion” or “I did not know my parents except that they follow the religion”, since Arabic is so wishy washy both are technically correct. However, nowhere is there mention of puberty in the text.
The word عقلت (‘aqaltu) means “I became conscious of” or “I remembered,” and it refers to when Aisha was old enough to recognize her parents’ faith. It does not explicitly mention puberty (بلوغ in Arabic). The idea of “attaining the age of puberty” is an interpretative addition made in the English translation, not a literal translation of the Arabic text. The original hadith does not specify her age or puberty. It only states that from her earliest memories, her parents were Muslims.
The claim that Aisha had “reached puberty” when her parents converted to Islam is baseless:

  • Abu Bakr and his family converted to Islam during the very early years of Muhammad’s prophethood, which began in 610. Aisha would have been only a few years old at this time, far too young to have reached puberty.
  • Children can recall events from as young as 3-5 years old, so her memory of her parents’ early conversion does not imply she was already an adolescent.

This hadith does not mention puberty at all. It only shows that Aisha remembered her parents as Muslims from her earliest memories.

Posted by: itsallsotiresome | Oct 17 2025 3:07 utc | 330

“Either I’m right, or we have really entered Idiocracy worse than the movie,  and there is no hope any longer to turn it around.  It is done.”
Posted by: ThouShalt | Oct 17 2025 2:27 utc | 310
 
That’s why the word ‘hope’ is still useful even after Obama tended to give it a bad name and ‘hopium’ is obviously quite useless.
 
There’s always hope to turn things around, and in a very odd way people like Trump and others on this planet are there (in my opinion) so we can choose what we want and what we don’t want. How else do we know? Especially if they trigger strong reactions. If you give up thinking anything can change it just becomes nihilism and apathy and then you might s well be dead anyway. 
 
Even if we blow ourselves up we will probably come back anyway, there are always survivors. There have already been at least 5 major cataclysms on Earth in the past and every time life came back. All of those occurred before humans were even on Earth according to geological records. In one instance almost 99% of life was destroyed. 
 
Human and the general will of living organisms to survive and express themselves is far more powerful than we often think. 

Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Oct 17 2025 3:07 utc | 331

The evidence is consistent across sources. Aisha was 6 at marriage and 9 at consummation. This is reported in sahih hadiths, confirmed by tafsirs, supported by historians and majority of scholars. The timeline matches, the doll hadiths confirm her status as a child and the Quran itself allows for consummation with children.
Attempts to inflate her age to 14, 16, or older rely on weak or late reports and ignore the overwhelming evidence. These are modern efforts to sanitize the tradition. The historical record however is clear and consistent.

Posted by: itsallsotiresome | Oct 17 2025 3:10 utc | 332

The are plenty of bad sides to the current US regime, but one aspect of what is occurring now – the moves against the woke globalist left of the current day –  is to take the US back to the family.
In any nation, the family is the basic building block. Russia, Hungary and a few others honour the family.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 17 2025 3:16 utc | 333

@ itsallsotiresome | Oct 17 2025 3:10 utc | 332
 
Repulsive as that might be, it’s nothing compared to having to believe in the goodness of a god who in his bloodthirstiness demanded the death of his son in order to offer salvation to people from a sin they didn’t even commit.

Posted by: malenkov | Oct 17 2025 3:19 utc | 334

– the moves against the woke globalist left of the current day –  is to take the US back to the family.In any nation, the family is the basic building block. Russia, Hungary and a few others honour the family.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 17 2025 3:16 utc | 333

 It is good to see your optimism based on your sincere belief in Trump.  I am too cynical for that now.  I think he is a trojan horse, put in power to discredit all those things which your optimism is based.  

Posted by: ThouShalt | Oct 17 2025 3:23 utc | 335

*** I’m always a little suspicious of teetotalers, at least professed teetotalers like you, just like opening the door to a couple of Jehova’s Witnesses. ***
***“American food”? That’s such a broad category as to preclude any specificity.***
Posted by: George the Zeroth | Oct 17 2025 2:57 utc | 323
 
If I drank with you, you wouldn’t have enough in your wallet to get me to finish, as many could verify about me. 
 
Sweeping generalizations, yes. This mode of communication invites it. By “American food” I mean the food supply in America generally. No American cares where it came from or how it got on the plate, very much unlike other places. The industrial nature of our food supply enables the introduction of all manner of poisons – sugar is just one example.
 
How much sugar is the minimum amount a human must consume before they become malnourished? Everyone knows that too much makes you sick, so a poison. According to Mr. Google AI: 
 
Sugar triggers the release of dopamine, a “pleasure chemical,” which creates a rewarding feeling in the brain. In excess, this can lead to a cycle of craving and dependence, similar to addiction, as the brain adapts to the repeated dopamine spikes. Conversely, low serotonin levels, a different neurotransmitter associated with mood regulation, are linked to sugar cravings. This means sugar’s effect on dopamine drives the immediate pleasure and potential for addiction, while a lack of serotonin can trigger the initial craving for that sugar-induced dopamine rush. ***
 
Sugais is in EVERTHING. Seems like the same guys that sold cigarettes are selling sugar, eh?

Posted by: frithguild | Oct 17 2025 3:23 utc | 336

“That all may sound laughable but these are unfortunately serious policies .  The target list includes organizations which do not exist:

The FBI and the homeland security department are actively investigating “Antifa” individuals and organizations that the Trump administration has branded domestic terrorists. ”

Sorry B, but you report this from the perspective of one who reads about America rather than someone who lives here and knows what’s really going on.  What Trump is doing now just highlights the nugget of truth that Obama gave us; “elections have consequences.” Four years ago it was conservatives and right -wingers and Republicans being targeted by government, now it’s the Left. Did you expect anything different?  Look at what was done to Michael Flynn, Roger Stone, pro-life protestors, doctors who didn’t buy the Covid narrative pushed by Pfizer, and a whole bunch of normal Americans by power hungry bureaucrats. Now the tables are turned, no surprise there.
As far as “Antifa doesn’t exist”, that’s as silly as saying there are no Jihadist organizations in Europe because Jihad is a mindset or way of life. Just because it’s a mindset doesn’t mean there aren’t any organizations that support, fund and facilitate Jihad. The one doesn’t rule out the other.
Here’s some links showing what this non-existent organization has been doing recently:
https://x.com/mrandyngo/status/1978595187191398538
https://revolver.news/2025/10/antifas-secret-weapons-lair-was-just-captured-on-video/
https://www.foxnews.com/us/doj-brings-first-antifa-related-terrorism-charges-texas-ice-attack
Pretty busy for something that doesn’t exist, don’t you think?

Posted by: Paranaense | Oct 17 2025 3:28 utc | 337

Posted by: itsallsotiresome | Oct 17 2025 3:07 utc | 330
 
Not arguing for pedophilia nor do I want to contest what you are saying, but either way in this argument, can we really compare the moral standards of people in the past before the word pedophilia was even coined with how we see it today? 
Marriage and having an acceptable legal age for producing children or having sex is recent in definition. I can remember when I was younger that children of 14 or 15 were being married off in Italy, such stories appeared in newspapers at the time, but only for the young age since the ‘pedophilia’ paradigm was not here then. Many countries were still doing the same in both the East and West. Some still do. 
 
Having read Emmeline Pankhurst’s diaries on the Suffragette movement in Britain, one of her principal reasons for getting women the vote was because the British ruling politicians at the time were serving themselves up girls of extremely young age (around 14)  in British sex-slave brothels and she realised that the only way of stopping it was if women had power in government through the vote to stop such behaviour.  The same thing was happening with similarly aged female employees who had no right to complain at the time.
 

Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Oct 17 2025 3:29 utc | 338

ThouShalt | Oct 17 2025 3:23 utc | 335
 
I don’t have sincere belief in trump. I probably won’t be around but otherwise I would judge him once this era of change has passed and the world has settled into a new normal.
 
Turns out the Tomahawk stuff was just a domestic figleaf so Trump can arrange another meeting with Putin.
The stuff he says for domestic consumption – he operates behind that cover.  Its hard to pick him.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 17 2025 3:29 utc | 339

If I drank with you, you wouldn’t have enough in your wallet to get me to finish…
Posted by: frithguild | Oct 17 2025 3:23 utc | 336

 

That is really funny and I can relate.  

Posted by: ThouShalt | Oct 17 2025 3:30 utc | 340

exile | Oct 16 2025 17:56 utc | 119
 
Why would we abandon our homes and land?
 
Plan B is no different from earlier plans for this old girl:
 
          Maintain sovereignty of space and place.
 
Keep the peace, harmony of place space and neighborhood — which means being gentle with those with whom you disagree, maintaining civil relations regardless.
 
I have a loaded gun but only for rabid raccoons and like emergencies.
 
Most people are easily talked with — to bring mutual understanding, if the indoctrination is not severe… if the society goes upside so then we must hang together like in olden times, supportng each  other
 
 

Posted by: suzan | Oct 17 2025 3:33 utc | 341

@tiresome
You’re squinting at a single aspect of the analysis.  Even if we were to concede your point, there is much more to al-Idlibī’s position than you would have us imagine.
@George the Zeroth
Fuck off.

Posted by: phynyte | Oct 17 2025 3:41 utc | 342

Age of consent. Through most of history, boys become men at puberty and girls became women at puberty.
With the Australian Aboriginals, the is a mens ceremony for the boys becoming men and a women’s ceremony for the girls becoming women.
 
Livestock husbandry.  On a well managed cattle property, the heifers are taken out as weaners  and put in a separate paddock from the herd until the are physically fully developed. Allowed to breed to young and the often die in calving especially on the larger cattle properties where they will go unseen when trying to calve.
 
And so, I think generally throughout the west, the age of consent is 16. I don’t know what is the average when a young persons bones are fully developed to their adult size, but I think that would be a rational age for the age of consent.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 17 2025 3:41 utc | 343

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 17 2025 3:29 utc | 339
 
I worked with an Aussie mining guy in 2015 in the USA (he was my boss because his company had the money and the drill rig), and he told me it was refreshing to hear Trump calling out all the stupid bullshit at that time using non-PC language.  

Posted by: ThouShalt | Oct 17 2025 3:41 utc | 344

“Turns out the Tomahawk stuff was just a domestic figleaf so Trump can arrange another meeting with Putin.The stuff he says for domestic consumption – he operates behind that cover.  Its hard to pick him.”
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 17 2025 3:29 utc | 339
 
Exactly – and after that meeting I think Trump will come back with an  ashen and sober  face too, like from Alaska. 
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGikHLIdHpw

Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Oct 17 2025 3:41 utc | 345

Posted by: james | Oct 16 2025 15:37 utc | 19
“trump and friends are spreading fear… they might describe it very differently, but that is what it looks like to me..  that is not a healthy society, but the opposite.. ”
 
Yeah, under Biden we had 4 years of peace and brotherhood and everyone having a great time, and now we have fear! /S
Darn that Trump, spoiling the party like that.

Posted by: Paranaense | Oct 17 2025 3:48 utc | 346

@George the ZerothFuck off.
Posted by: phynyte | Oct 17 2025 3:41 utc | 342
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Please explain why I should do that. Context, dontcha know.

Posted by: George the Zeroth | Oct 17 2025 3:49 utc | 347

General Fuctotem 234
 
Parody my faith , with pleasure. The first two Trumps are merely methane. The Last Trump will be considerably more powerful than his “””beautiful bombs”””” he is now dropping on Lebanon.
The atoms of our world will unravel their bonds and the mountains will disappear like cotton wool. 
 
The Everlasting ,  preserved souls of us humans however will be recreated in body form , and guided to their final destinations.
DunGroanin’s vision of Church, Mosque  and political party monitoring will be nothing compared to Judgement Day when our own limbs will bear testimony to our previous behaviour. 
 
Fortunately the sins will be less significant in our Sentence than our Faith in God.  One Remembrance of Allah might cancel mountains of bad breakfast table behaviour.
The Qur’an states that most people give no consideration to the Day of Judgement at all.  But Rest assured,  Methane Trumps  aren’t mentioned at all.  Whew!
 
 
 

Posted by: Giyane | Oct 17 2025 3:51 utc | 348

Gotta say, though, that the Aussie guy was a full-on Dunning-Kruger.  He believed his own bullshit and it smelled good to him.  Dumber than a box of spanners, though, in reality.  Wouldn’t take advice from anyone with experience.  That anecdote is not meant to dump on him as an Aussie, per se.  It is par for the course.  

Posted by: ThouShalt | Oct 17 2025 3:52 utc | 349

@Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 16 2025 21:06 utc | 213
 
I see no hyperbole in your warning, fascism with no acceptance of any dissent is where the US is rapidly moving. I also worry about my own Canada where the acceptance of dissent is rapidly being constrained through new legislation – such as the Bill C-9 “Combatting Hate Act” which is really all about shutting down criticism of establishment policies and allies. One person’s “hate” is another person’s free speech. The new law removes Attorney General oversight, allowing the authorities much more leeway to misuse the powers given it, and also has quite extreme sentencing abilities.

Posted by: Roger Boyd | Oct 17 2025 3:57 utc | 350

ThouShalt | Oct 17 2025 3:52 utc | 349
 
People running an operation for a large company are nearly always like that.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 17 2025 3:57 utc | 351

Sweeping generalizations, yes. This mode of communication invites it. By “American food” I mean the food supply in America generally. No American cares where it came from or how it got on the plate, very much unlike other places.
Posted by: frithguild | Oct 17 2025 3:23 utc | 336
You really don’t get how you just got hoist on your own petard, do you?
Yes, sweeping generalizations:
 
“No American cares where it came from or how it got on the plate […]”
 
Lessee; the population of the US is ~340 million.
So you’re going to categorically state that not one American (out of 340 million) cares where their food came from or how it got on their plate? Do I have that right?
 
Sheesh. I guess I could say that since I do care, I’m the exception that disproves your rule? or something?
And I’m not even claiming that Americans are the #1 culture in the world when it comes to food. (“USA! USA!”)

Posted by: George the Zeroth | Oct 17 2025 3:57 utc | 352

Posted by: MarcusAurelius | Oct 16 2025 16:16 utc | 46
“There is ZERO proof Islam wants to ruin the US.”
 
Did you sleep through 9/11, or are you one of those silly people who think it was executed by 19 Jews who came from Saudi Arabia?
 
 

Posted by: Paranaense | Oct 17 2025 3:58 utc | 353

Paranaense | Oct 17 2025 3:58 utc | 353
 
I actually searched for and found the transcript of the senate meeting where it was stated that only a pearl habour would take the American people to war again.
 
9/11 was a Made in America job. Nationality of the stooges used matters little. A northwoods event.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 17 2025 4:04 utc | 354

There is ZERO proof Islam wants to ruin the US.  The Zionists, Tech oligarchy and power in the hand of a few have done enough to ruin this country.  Islam forbids usury, gambling and pornography, all tools the Zionist use to destroy the US moral compass and social contract.  I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt if you can show me proof Islam is the problem, and not the Zionists. 
Posted by: MarcusAurelius | Oct 16 2025 16:16 utc | 46
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I won’t argue with this, as I don’t have enough information one way or the other to counter your assertion.
Certainly Iran’s fatwa against weapons of mass destruction argues in your favor.
 
All I can say is that I would totally understand if “Islam” did want to destroy the US for what we have done to destroy them through all those years.

Posted by: George the Zeroth | Oct 17 2025 4:04 utc | 355

Did you sleep through 9/11, or are you one of those silly people who think it was executed by 19 Jews who came from Saudi Arabia?

I’m not aware of anyone who thinks this.
 
I am aware that the official report said that a key motive behind the attacks was America’s support of Israel’s illegal occupation of Palestine.
 
I’m also aware that the vast majority of Muslims condemned the 9/11 attacks, so I don’t see how those attacks prove that ‘Islam wants to ruin the US’ anymore than the 4.5-5.5 million Muslim deaths caused by American militarism abroad since 9/11 prove that ‘America wants to ruin Islam’.
 
You’ll have to provide something more substantive than logical fallacies to persuade me.

Posted by: phynyte | Oct 17 2025 4:13 utc | 356

*** So you’re going to categorically state that not one American (out of 340 million) cares where their food came from or how it got on their plate? Do I have that right? ***
Posted by: George the Zeroth | Oct 17 2025 3:57 utc | 352
 
Yeah, right – you understand me perfectly.  I guess I should expect such a stupid response from someone who admittedly loves foo foo drinks. TTFN

Posted by: frithguild | Oct 17 2025 4:14 utc | 357

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Oct 17 2025 1:01 utc | 287

 
OMGoodness…Who?! Who is paying them?
Besides, “Operation Inflatable” is being coached by Ron Wyden himself!
What could possibly go wrong?

Posted by: drinky crow | Oct 17 2025 4:25 utc | 358

Keme | Oct 16 2025 16:46 utc | 75
“Trump’s use of a militarized ICE has proven to be unpopular.”   
 
 Maybe unpopular with Leftists, but certainly not with the majority of Americans.  ICE is performing 2 important functions: removing those who are here illegally, and putting those who think they are above the law in jail.  I’m not talking about peaceful protestors, but those who shoot at, throw things at dox or threaten law enforcement, vandalize their vehicles, set their stations on fire, or try to injure or kill those who oppose them.  If those people end up behind bars then I think ICE is doing a fabulous job.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/doj-brings-first-antifa-related-terrorism-charges-texas-ice-attack

Posted by: Paranaense | Oct 17 2025 4:35 utc | 359

Oh dear. Our friend b has been infected with MSNBC koolaid.

Posted by: Figleaf23 | Oct 17 2025 4:46 utc | 360

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 16 2025 17:06 utc | 94
“The Prophet married Ayesha.”
 
He had sex with a 9 year old girl. Explain how that isn’t pedophilia. Whether he married her doesn’t change anything.

Posted by: Paranaense | Oct 17 2025 4:46 utc | 361

Posted by: Paranaense | Oct 17 2025 4:46 utc | 361
First let me get one thing straight, I do not support pedophilia, but do you realize the first known use of the word pedophilia was in 1906. That it became an issue for the world in public discussion and something illegal was much later. 
 
You cannot judge the moral standards of ancient times with what we do or condone today. And if you are going discuss pedophelia there is buckets more incompatible moral behviour in the past that appears for example in the Christian Bible. 
 
And given you are clearly a Trump condoner, aren’t you treading on dangerous territory?

Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Oct 17 2025 5:15 utc | 362

I have spent the last 20 years of my life thinking about Renewables. Oil causes wars . But now , they don’t even mention the oil. It’s just eschatological bs, racism and bigotry.
 
In order to harness renewables,  electronic controls are used,  which have reached Satanic levels of intrusion into people’s lives. The Jews have just genocided the Palestinians through their mobile phones.
 
It depends what your view of Satan is, i suppose. If your £3 chicken n chips is flown in from Asia, using fossil fuels,  or your car is made in China , you are polluting the planet without taking responsibility for the pollution.
So you are in denial of responsibility .
That is Satan’s main job in this world, persuading us that there are no consequences to our actions.
 
The Jewish genocide,  the Christian Crusade we are living through now, will be avenged . The Capitalist  abandonment of responsibility will be avenged, by a nuclear conflagration. And we will definitely be held accountable for allowing these crimes to happen in   our lifetimes.
 
If cheap food creates pollution, don’t do it.  If  Green energy allows the PTB to invade your privacy and curtail your freedoms, don’t do it.  Come on ‘Land of the Free’, lubricate your consciences.
It’s no good twanging your geetars in the bush, if the bush is not talking to you about the preservation of Nature, against the predations of Capitalists.
Fight Trump’s anti-Left agenda with all your might.  You will definitely be punished in this world and the next if you allow the Jewish Worship of Mammon to trazh the Creator’s beautiful planet and trash the Free Will of Humanity with it.

Posted by: Giyane | Oct 17 2025 5:20 utc | 363

Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Oct 17 2025 5:15 utc | 362
“And given you are clearly a Trump condoner, aren’t you treading on dangerous territory?”
 
I love that Trump is a disruptor, coming in like a bull in a China shop and setting both sides in a tizzy. Both the Democrat grifters and the Republican grifters hate him, and to me that means he is doing something right. I’m less excited about his foreign policy approach; I was hoping for better.

Posted by: Paranaense | Oct 17 2025 5:22 utc | 364

Net Zero =  Nihilism  = Fascism.
 
90 % of the world uses only what needs to survive.  Capitalism is predicated on extracting wealth for the 1% of rich pricks and leaving the poor with nothing, not even their kidneys, or lives, like the Palestinians released from Isrseli prisons.
 
How you Americans got Trump has got to be some kind of skewed, screwed up political system. If you don’t fight the system, you will be the ones whose kidneys are sitting in someone else.
Rebel  . Revolt. Assassinate. Before its too late. If I lived in a coubtry of guns, believe me not one satanic Fascist politician or satanic Fascist preacher would still  be alive. 

Posted by: Giyane | Oct 17 2025 5:36 utc | 365

Oh dear. Our friend b has been infected with MSNBC koolaid.
Posted by: Figleaf23 | Oct 17 2025 4:46 utc | 360

 
It must be TDS!   Quick, get b to the mental hospital immediately and make sure Nurse Ratched is in charge!  One must never criticize the Orange Leader.

Posted by: ThouShalt | Oct 17 2025 5:36 utc | 366

Posted by: Paranaense | Oct 17 2025 5:22 utc | 364
 
You have every right there is from my point of view to choose your view of who you support and for what reason but when it comes to comparing moral and legal standards of the distant past with current views of the same its a more difficult argument to prove

Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Oct 17 2025 6:13 utc | 367

The scary thing is that there is, so far, little or any opposition to these plans

It’s not scary, it’s wanted by the people. People are fed up with Antifa. The problem with Anti-Facism is, that they define on a daily basis, what facism is.
Controlled migration is not facism, being against transwomen in women locker rooms or sports is not facism, speaking of two genders is not facism, fighting climate change with technology instead of degrowth is not facism, accepting that some shitholes stay shitholes despite billions of NGO money over decades, is not facism.
But for Antifa, everything named is to be fought against and destroyed.
You are German, b, you should have heard about Maja T. and the crocodile tears of German Antifa because of “harsh” Hungarian prison, because he ist not allowed to be in a womens prison.
“Antifa is no organization” is coming directly from the mouth of Die Linke in Germany, and still they are so organized to easily shuffle hundreds of people from all over Germany to demonstrations against the Right, when a migrant stabbed someone again.
2026 will be very interesting in how the ruling parties try to prevent election wins if the AfD in Mecklenburg-Vorpommern and Sachsen-Anhalt 

Posted by: Ali | Oct 17 2025 6:14 utc | 368

@Posted by: Paranaense | Oct 17 2025 4:46 utc | 361
 
She was 19, this a classic Western propagandist misinterpretation of the Islamic writings. By the way the legal age of sexual consent in England was raised from 12 years old to 13 years old in 1875. Only raised to 16 in 1885.

Posted by: Roger Boyd | Oct 17 2025 6:17 utc | 369

“Paranaense | Oct 17 2025 3:58 utc | 353 I actually searched for and found the transcript of the senate meeting where it was stated that only a pearl habour would take the American people to war again. 9/11 was a Made in America job. Nationality of the stooges used matters little. A northwoods event.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 17 2025 4:04 utc | 354″
 
You are probably already aware of this but just before 9/11 John Pilger interviewed Richard Perle, a leading neoconservative of PNAC infamy who in a civilian role advised the G. W. Bush administration. What shocked Pilger in the interview at the time was Perle saying “what the US needed was another Pearl Harbor ” to get the country on track for 5o years of regime change warfare, and for Perle that meant starting with Saddam Hussein. 

Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Oct 17 2025 6:27 utc | 370

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 17 2025 4:04 utc | 354″
The Pilger-Perle interview:
https://web.archive.org/web/20110224030050/http:/www.newstatesman.com/200212160005

Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Oct 17 2025 6:30 utc | 371

@LoveDonbass | Oct 17 2025 2:01 utc | 302

I fully expected a martial law-type scenario in America. I expect it in France, Germany, and the UK as well. 

That was 2020.

Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 17 2025 6:37 utc | 372

Posted by: Roger Boyd | Oct 17 2025 6:17 utc | 370
 
And according to Emmeline Pankhurst’s 1914 book (https://www.gutenberg.org/files/34856/34856-h/34856-h.htm) that official legal age was hardly respected by some of the highest levels of Asquith’s British government an other politicians at the time

Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Oct 17 2025 6:38 utc | 373

Posted by: ThouShalt | Oct 17 2025 5:36 utc | 366

 
Perhaps you’re unaware of Bernhard’s previous track record, like, say, during the plandemic, when he drank a couple of buckets of “safe and effective” KoolAid per day…
 
/LXV

Posted by: ThirdWorldDude | Oct 17 2025 6:40 utc | 374

Defo not defending trump as cast from the same mould, but the left invited this and deserve. 4 years of Russia nonsense (with msnbc’s rachel madcow) and 4 years of pushing for show trials to keep him out and then hypocritically saying at the inauguration to not be vengeful and move forward absolutely deserves corporal punishment for their temper tantrums till they grow up.What trump is doing is transparent corruption to tammany hall dem’s covert corruption.The country is clearly not polarized enough. It could go like czechoslovakia, but apparently it’s heading or Yugoslavia. At any rate, go it must and will.

Posted by: Sal | Oct 17 2025 6:54 utc | 375

GeorgeWendell | Oct 17 2025 6:30 utc | 372
 
Thanks George. I had not known Pilger was onto it that early.
One line there –  “the prioritised task of bringing on board journalists of repute to accept our position”.
 
That about says it all for where we are now.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 17 2025 6:55 utc | 376

Ali 369
 
Fighting climate change with technology is not Fascism.
It is Fascism if it locates you and your familiy by the same companies who massacre Palestinians Lebanese Iranians Yemenis, Qataris, and Syrians with this technolgy.
I can’t think of anything more Fascist.
You’re talking bollocks, like a good Fascist HTS clone.

Posted by: Giyane | Oct 17 2025 6:57 utc | 377

I love how the esteemed gentlemen here are arguing over the sexual habits and morality of people who lived 1400 years ago. 
 

Posted by: 667 | Oct 17 2025 7:08 utc | 378

After the hootin’ and hollerin’.
 
Posted by: too scents | Oct 16 2025 15:34 utc | 18
 

 
600 or 700 posts ???
 
Like turkeys discussing Thanksgiving.
 

Posted by: too scents | Oct 17 2025 7:08 utc | 379

– For me, there are a number of word that are a tell tale sign on how “right wing” the current administration is. I now regurlarly hear the words “lefties”, “radical left”, “socialism” and “communism”.  People were never told what “socialism” is and how it developed in the 19th century.

Posted by: WMG | Oct 17 2025 7:12 utc | 380

I now noticed the concept of ritual humiliation. Previously I have thought about it in connection with how the west treats its rivals versus how the west treats its allies:Israel and Ukraine. There the double standards and the majorities not reacting but just accepting it made me think of such a conditioning ritual. Now such a ritual in the wests health care sector is described in 
https://x.com/toobaffled/status/1978283652686688561
“Dancing nurses were never about the morale of healthcare workers or stress relief. They were a test, a sorting mechanism, revealing who would accept the contradictions and who would resist them”
Also in https://newsvoice.se/2025/10/gruppsykologisk-manipulation/

Posted by: petergrfstrm | Oct 17 2025 7:17 utc | 381

@LoveDonbass | Oct 17 2025 2:01 utc | 302

I fully expected a martial law-type scenario in America. I expect it in France, Germany, and the UK as well. 

That was 2020.
Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 17 2025 6:37 utc | 373
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WTF???
Were people being manhandled off the streets and deported to “black sites” in other countries in 2020?
No, that’s today.
Were people about to be rounded up and deported because of their views towards the US and its values? No, that’s coming later this year.
 
In 2020 people were being censored on Facebook, Twitter, etc. Not the same thing at all.

Posted by: George the Zeroth | Oct 17 2025 7:23 utc | 382

– For me, there are a number of word that are a tell tale sign on how “right wing” the current administration is. I now regurlarly hear the words “lefties”, “radical left”, “socialism” and “communism”.  People were never told what “socialism” is and how it developed in the 19th century.
Posted by: WMG | Oct 17 2025 7:12 utc | 382
 
And the word “Antifa”. This word “Antifa” surfaced during the 1st Trump administration. Think riots in Charlottesville in 2017.
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unite_the_Right_rally

Posted by: WMG | Oct 17 2025 7:25 utc | 383

Posted by: 667 | Oct 17 2025 7:08 utc | 380
 
And to think none of us would be here if it  wasn’t for them, morality, or habits.

Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Oct 17 2025 7:26 utc | 384

@Giyane | Oct 17 2025 6:57 utc | 378

Fighting climate change with technology is not Fascism. 

It is the same as when priests in the past would promise to rescue you from going to Hell if you paid them indulgences.  Money and control.
 
 

Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 17 2025 7:28 utc | 385

@George the Zeroth | Oct 17 2025 7:23 utc | 384

Were people being manhandled off the streets and deported to “black sites” in other countries in 2020? 

No, you were obliged to be injected with unknown substances and not enter the streets and if you did it anyway you would have to wear a mask as a token to prove your submission. 
 

Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 17 2025 7:32 utc | 386

– Also think Pete Hegseth who has a “crusader tattoo” on his chest.
https://newlinesmag.com/essays/pete-hegseths-tattoos-and-the-crusading-obsession-of-the-far-right

Posted by: WMG | Oct 17 2025 7:44 utc | 387

@George the Zeroth | Oct 17 2025 7:23 utc | 384

Were people being manhandled off the streets and deported to “black sites” in other countries in 2020? 

No, you were obliged to be injected with unknown substances and not enter the streets and if you did it anyway you would have to wear a mask as a token to prove your submission.  
Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 17 2025 7:32 utc | 388
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Still not the same thing.
Maybe badly-thought-through policies, made in panic mode with unreliable information, but not fascism by a long shot.
And remember: people were dying of an unknown disease. It’s not like every gov’t. in the world just made up this crisis in order to push their populations around, even if that’s what they ended up doing. People were dying.
 
And remember who gave us “Operation Warp Speed” to develop and distribute a vaccine in the US? Who was that again?

Posted by: George the Zeroth | Oct 17 2025 7:57 utc | 388

People were never told what “socialism” is and how it developed in the 19th century.
 
Posted by: WMG | Oct 17 2025 7:12 utc | 382

Not like it’s difficult to do some basic research … anyone who doesn’t understand, in this day and age of instant information, has made a choice not to pay attention.
 

The goal of socialism is communism.

― Vladimir Lenin
 

The difference between communism and socialism is that under socialism central planning ends with a gun in your face, whereas under communism central planning begins with a gun in your face.

― Kevin D. Williamson

Posted by: Tel | Oct 17 2025 8:04 utc | 389

Members of the tribe, I see. Miller and Vought are especially repulsive.
For many years, I’ve been telling people to pay attention to what this regime is doing to other countries, especially GAZA.
We are all Palestinians now. How long until bombs are dropped on our heads?
This Supreme Court is also the pocket of the Trump regime
.They are deliberating the Voting Rights Act case right now and they seem open to repealing it. If they vote to repeal, we will never see another Dem selected for office.
Only Christian Nationalist fascism 
I hear there are many AMERICAN flags with swastikas on them in GOP offices
Interesting times we live in.
 
 
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Posted by: Kay | Oct 17 2025 8:15 utc | 390

whereas under communism central planning begins with a gun in your face.
 
Posted by: Tel | Oct 17 2025 8:04 utc | 391
 

 
Under communism everyone is in agreement.  Those who are agreement incapable learned to adapt or were culled during the socialism phase.
 
Individualism has a price.  When society cannot bear that cost something must be done.
 

Posted by: too scents | Oct 17 2025 8:16 utc | 391

In a time of panopticon imperial dreams and threats, it would be wiser not to reflexively respond to every deliberate taunt in a documentable medium. 🙂 Let a few upsetting and stupid things slide. It’ll lower your blood pressure, let this garden look cleaner, and eventually let the taunters look childish over time. You needn’t take on the duties of a volunteer bouncer brigade. Otherwise we’ll end up a sad, pale shadow of a rootin’, tootin’, genuine Western saloon. Trust in b. 🙂

Posted by: titmouse | Oct 17 2025 8:27 utc | 392

Members of the tribe, I see. Miller and Vought are especially repulsive.
For many years, I’ve been telling people to pay attention to what this regime is doing to other countries, especially GAZA.
We are all Palestinians now. How long until bombs are dropped on our heads?
This Supreme Court is also in the pocket⅜ of the Trump regime,  deliberating the Voting Rights Act case right now and they seem open to repealing it. If they vote to repeal, we will never see another Democrat elected again.fascism is here, B, carrying the Bible and waving the American flag
 
 
 
 
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Posted by: Kay | Oct 17 2025 8:35 utc | 393

Both China and Russia went from communism to socialism.
 
Both have a mix of socialism and private enterprise.  Also stability of government as they do not look at a policy to see if it is right or left. The only criteria is that a policy will help people prosper.
 
This right left garbage of the west is just that. Garbage.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 17 2025 8:41 utc | 394

“The goal of socialism is communism.― Vladimir Lenin”
@Tel | Oct 17 2025 8:04 utc | 391
Lenin was just a kid when the Fabian society started
Wikipedia:
“The Fabian Society was founded on 4 January 1884 in London as an offshoot of a society founded a year earlier, called The Fellowship of the New Life, which had been a forebear of the British Ethical and humanist movements.[9] Early Fellowship members included the visionary Victorian-era elite, among them the poets Edward Carpenter and John Davidson, the sexologist Havelock Ellis, and the early socialist Edward R. Pease.”
And John Ruskin explained why the elites were supporting collectivism:
Because the empire could use the revolutionaries to corrall the herd helping to establish the world government under anglosaxon leadership.
Lenin and the rest of those shepards were just proxies.
They ought never to be described as independent operators.
If they are seen as having contributed intellectually that ought always to be compared with how the empire hires its scribes via thinktanks and NGOs.
 

Posted by: petergrfstrm | Oct 17 2025 8:49 utc | 395

“There is a point at which methods deavour themselves.”
Frantz Fanon / black skin white mask
Trump is anti-imperialism in action. This whole administration with theire fanatical culture war nonsensense is incredibly selfdestructive. Yes they are ruthless buth incompetent aswell. Just like the entity in the Levante. 
 

Posted by: El Lissitzky | Oct 17 2025 9:03 utc | 396

The difference between communism and socialism is that under socialism central planning ends with a gun in your face, whereas under communism central planning begins with a gun in your face.

― Kevin D. Williamson
Posted by: Tel | Oct 17 2025 8:04 utc | 391
 
Sounds like fascists like Donald Trump, the US neocons, and the US Imperialist war machine, are all socialists and communists then.

Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Oct 17 2025 9:17 utc | 397

The difference between communism and socialism is that under socialism central planning ends with a gun in your face, whereas under communism central planning begins with a gun in your face.

― Kevin D. Williamson
Posted by: Tel | Oct 17 2025 8:04 utc | 391
 
Sounds like Zionist Israelis for Palestinians are socialists and communists then. 

Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Oct 17 2025 9:19 utc | 398

Good morning barflies – how’s the head banging three stooges  circular slap fest distraction going?
 
 
Here have another daily drop of not fish food – but a variety of pearl for swines … a daily hope to see anyone jump and climb out – bite the cruel fingers …
 
What’s the difference between a tyranny and fascism?
Not a lot!
Lol, when it is so obvious that we play the game demanded we do by the FEW above.
 
They drop fish food into our bowl from above – making us rush to the left or right as we see only a 2D space – to my left or to my right – where will the tasty (or not – who cares when you are hungry or POOR? ) morsel falls.
 
The above FEW  dictates which way we MANY dart for our daily Soylent  – in the bowl the Collective Waste that they own and control.
 
They make you rush this way round the bowl or suddenly reverse and rush the other way…
Our restricted dimensional outlook makes it seem like left and right – in reality from above it is just CIRCLES  – round and round – whether you go Left or Right – you always end up in the same place – looking to see where your next meal drops from!
 
That is how FASCISM works  it is systematic – it requires the virtual left/right and every now and then a bridging to make war on the world and other humans in some collective mental madness of the crowds – that is facism.
 
It is obvious to some now, in the insanity of ukropians taking on the RF again or the mentality of the twin towers to kick the boots on the grounds into Afghanistan to all of North Africa . Ah the Heroes all the Shakespearoes …
 
You may think you are an individual who has got to where you are all by yourself …
 
You may even think you are the smartest and most evolved human that lived – cleverer and more advanced than your parents …
 
You may think you are more civilised, more liberal, more advanced, more whiter than the whitest snow gammony supremacist that ever was…
You may even believe your god is the best – whether that is a sky fairy or a golden calf worship of Money…
 
Or  you may believe that you are a saviour – with every plastic bag you recycle, with every step you walk or run and count, with every leaf you eat, or with the head to toe carcass you use;
 
With every happy clappy woke belief – or simply by every cop in your own brain from watching endless procedurals from the teeveee pulpit, every advertisement, every single insane Covid vaxx …
 
smug and snug as a bug in a rug –  BETTER THAN ALL THE REST!
 
Who needs a rapture and a heaven to release you from daily suffering and hunger when you have the soma of your daily great life in the Waste?
 
So great it must be – BELIEVE !
 
See how EVERY other human on the Earth wants to come and have what you have!
See? BELIEVE!
 
So why be unhappy?
 
Eh little fishy’s???
BELIEVE  … or there are ways of making you suffer and die if you don’t.
 
‘Now go on, go left to right, go round and round , yes bite each other! that’s it … have some lovely coloured tasty ‘food’ little fishes.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Oct 17 2025 9:27 utc | 399

Sounds like Zionist Israelis for Palestinians are socialists and communists then.
 
Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Oct 17 2025 9:19 utc | 400

You are reading it backwards … in no way did I say that every person with a gun is automatically communist … seems a stretch that anyone could possibly take it that way … but I guess they don’t teach basic logic anymore. Blame the Teachers’ Union huh?
 
Where there’s smoke there’s fire … but not every fire produces smoke … have a little think about it.
 
It does bring up the intriguing question about whether Israel runs mostly on individuality or collectivism. That’s a tough one … I’m not an expert and cannot make a definitive statement on that issue. I have heard that it is a mix of both … but opinions vary. I doubt this is the place to get a well reasoned and unbiased opinion on such matters. Perhaps no one is unbiased anymore.

Posted by: Tel | Oct 17 2025 9:42 utc | 400