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October 16, 2025
Trump’s War Against ‘Left-leaning’ Groups Extends Further

There are a number of indicators which lets one predict that the Trump administration, during the next election, will use government forces to severely attack and disrupt all opposition to it.

Trump has send the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents into the cities to harass and arrest alleged illegal immigrants. Due cause is disregarded and the methods used by the agents are brutal.

Trump has also sent National Guard troops into cities where, he claimed, riots were taking place. There were no riots or ‘terrorist incidents’ but the presence of troops is used to create a militarized atmosphere.

A new National Security Presidential Memorandum, NSPM-7 issued by Trump has defined new classes of internal enemies:

With the mainstream media distracted by the made-for-TV drama of James Comey’s indictment, Trump has signed a little-noticed national security directive identifying “anti-Christian” and “anti-American” views as indicators of radical left violence.

In NSPM-7, “Countering Domestic Terrorism and Organized Political Violence,” President Trump directs the Justice Department, the FBI, and other national security agencies and departments to fight his version of political violence in America, retooling a network of Joint Terrorism Task Forces to focus on “leftist” political violence in America. This vast counterterrorism army, made up of federal, state, and local agents would, as Trump aide Stephen Miller said, form “the central hub of that effort.”

The Trump administration isn’t only targeting organizations or groups but even individuals and “entities” whom NSPM-7 says can be identified by any of the following “indicia” (indicators) of violence:
anti-Americanism,

  • anti-capitalism,
  • anti-Christianity,
  • support for the overthrow of the United States Government,
  • extremism on migration,
  • extremism on race,
  • extremism on gender,
  • hostility towards those who hold traditional American views on family,
  • hostility towards those who hold traditional American views on religion, and
  • hostility towards those who hold traditional American views on morality.

“The United States requires a national strategy to investigate and disrupt networks, entities, and organizations that foment political violence so that law enforcement can intervene in criminal conspiracies before they result in violent political acts,” the directive states (emphasis mine).

That all may sound laughable but these are unfortunately serious policies .  The target list includes organizations which do not exist:

The FBI and the homeland security department are actively investigating “Antifa” individuals and organizations that the Trump administration has branded domestic terrorists. Actions so far include collecting intelligence on Antifa “affinity” groups, canvassing the FBI’s vast informant network for tips about Antifa, and scrutinizing financial records, two sources involved in the investigations tell me.

There are no ‘antifa’ organizations. ‘Antifa’ is the idea of fighting indications of fascism. From time to time local interest groups may claim to do so for this or that reason. This category ‘antifa’ was likely chosen because it can be applied to any group that opposes government policies.

Today Yves Smith reports of another enforcement agency that Trump will use to destroy opposition to him:

The war against Trump’s perceived political enemies keeps escalating. The Wall Street Journal provides new detail on how the Trump Administration intends to use an IRS criminal unit, whose members bear arms, as part of his campaign against “left-leaning” organizations. This fallows a Reuters account describing how the Trump Administration intends to use the Department of Justice and DHS to pursue “left wing” groups that allegedly fomented violence.

Now to the press accounts. Key sections from the Journal’s report:

The Trump administration is preparing sweeping changes at the Internal Revenue Service that would allow the agency to pursue criminal inquiries of left-leaning groups more easily, according to people familiar with the matter.

A senior IRS official involved in the effort has drawn up a list of potential targets that includes major Democratic donors, some of the people said.

The undertaking aims to install allies of President Trump at the IRS criminal-investigative division, or IRS-CI, to exert firmer control over the unit and weaken the involvement of IRS lawyers in criminal investigations, officials said. The proposed changes could open the door to politically motivated probes…

Among those on the list are the billionaire Democratic donor George Soros and his affiliated groups…

Many on the left will not mind any attack on George Soros as his organization is well know for financing foreign color revolutions against legitimate leftist rulers. We can however be assured that Trump wont stop with them:

The list includes Soros’ Open Society Foundations; ActBlue, the funding arm of the Democratic Party; Indivisible, a grassroots coalition opposed to Trump policies and the Coalition for Humane Immigrant Rights, a Los Angeles-based group.

Other groups on the list include two Jewish nonprofits that oppose Israel’s war in Gaza – IfNotNow and Jewish Voice for Peace.

There is unfortunately little institutional or political opposition that can restrain Trump:

The push against domestic groups and their donors comes amid Trump’s attacks on law firms, universities and the media, and his deployment of National Guard troops to some Democratic-run cities.

Timothy Naftali, a presidential historian and former director of the Richard Nixon presidential library, said Trump and Nixon were similar in their desire to punish political enemies and silence critics, but a pliant Republican-controlled Congress and a cabinet packed with loyalists are enabling Trump to go further.

“That’s why this particular moment is more dangerous for the rule of law in the United States than the 1970s were,” Naftali said.

All these are ominous signs that Trumps war on the political opposition will escalate further. Seymour Hersh’s sources are warning of this:

What’s happening now may be a trial run for the use of those forces to interfere on the behalf of the president and the Republican Party in states where the Democratic Party has a chance to win crucial seats in next fall’s Congressional elections. I’ve been told by someone with inside knowledge that planning for such action is now under way in the White House.

The ‘coerced dominance’ that has marked Trump’s brutal approach to foreign policy will now being applied to domestic issues and legitimate opposition.

Russell Vought, Trumps’s Director of the Office of Management and Budget, and Stephen Miller, the White House deputy chief of staff for policy, are the men behind this.

The scary thing is that there is, so far, little or any opposition to these plans and only few warnings about their consequences.

Comments

 

You drank the Koolaid.
Posted by: canuk | Oct 16 2025 20:31 utc | 197

What the fuck are you even talking about. Theyre factually correct, can we keep it to logic please? Antifa appears to be an idea without a specific definition, not an organization like the OUN or IRS or whatever the fuck. An idea without specific definition as a designated ‘enemy’ – particularly for someone as obviously incompetent and imbecilic as Trump, but this applies to anyone really – is a dangerous definition because it can be changed at will to include whoever you want. Great if you’re emperor, not so good if you’re one of the subjects.
The future is best surmised by Gilliams classic Brazil and I recommend you watch it. Or perhaps V for Vendetta but it is rather a bit optimistic and childish as a superhero must come in and save the people. Orwell might have been right when he prophesied the future as a vision of a ‘boot stamping on a human face, forever‘ particularly if those of us in a common boat (labelled ‘SS Undesirables’) dont get our shit together and stop acting like our petty differences of opinion on meaningless edge subjects is detrimental to our cooperating which is needed so we dont all get eaten by the giant monster we all acknowledge is coming? A monster who has been encouraged by others, unlike us who would benefit, of both the red stripe and the blue. Please, consider this because it is in fact a truth that rules many others. The politics is pantomime. Money talks bullshit walks.
Your friend, 
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Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Oct 16 2025 20:43 utc | 201

Okie Joe | Oct 16 2025 18:06 utc | 123
 
Thanks for publicly declaring the level of ignorance you’ve attained in your life. ALL HUMANS have RIGHTS. Yes, some like yourself have broken laws, but that doesn’t deprive them of ALL of Their RIGHTS. Maybe you should take a boat ride of the northern coast of South America and think about your rights.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 16 2025 20:43 utc | 202

Shit. It was supposed to be called ‘SS Deplorables‘ but fucking autocorrect.

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Oct 16 2025 20:44 utc | 203

@ Posted by: giocon | 6@ Posted by: canuk | 8

I am in agreement and got to see the reality of Antifa first hand. In Portland, perhaps the monopoly on violence got transferred from the police to Antifa, who were allowed to assault, riot, commit arson, destroy properties, detain/obstruct/threaten others, murder, maim, stop and direct traffic with weapons in hand, set up autonomous zones, and who were regularly the recipient get-out-of-jail-free privileges.
Quite a few of the police objected to directives from the mayor but were hostage to their pensions, family wellbeing, and/or need to buy time to transfer to other localities.
It seems there are often different constituents of rioting and that many people have a desire for revenge they wont personally act on. Howerver they may celebrate violent instigators and perpetrators in their midst and will support and cover for their acts as accomplices and “innocent” human shields. And, sometimes they really are naive, uninformed, and don’t get it but are along for the ride and are baked into the cake.
 

Posted by: nom3000 | Oct 16 2025 20:47 utc | 204

“Girls are for sex, boys are for killing.”
old hippie@20:15
 
 
I take it you refer here to the Bonacci testimony? Otherwise you will have to enlighten me

Posted by: will moon | Oct 16 2025 20:50 utc | 205

***
Sounds like you have enough to live on, so great, don’t come around asking for anything and the favor will be returned.
Posted by: Caveman | Oct 16 2025 20:26 utc | 195
 
Much obliged. Now I won’t have tuh shoohcha. 

Posted by: frithguild | Oct 16 2025 20:55 utc | 206

You drank the Koolaid.
Posted by: canuk | Oct 16 2025 20:31 utc | 197
 
Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Oct 16 2025 20:43 utc | 201
 
Well then, you, evidently,  have drunk of the Anti-fa Koolaid as well.
 
 

Posted by: canuk | Oct 16 2025 20:57 utc | 207

Lies and vote rigging are needed in the 2026 and 2028 elections to cement in the fascist takeover. Trump has repeatedly claimed that the 2024 election was rigged against him when he was the one doing the rigging. There will be more of the same to come and, where needed, Trump military at the polling booths. We are dealing here with wall to wall lies and brazen fraud backed by violence. Make no mistake, everything will be in your face with full on gas lighting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nus5JA3Vh4
https://youtu.be/1dQI_ujEYGM?t=318

Posted by: damien | Oct 16 2025 20:57 utc | 208

These excesses in recent years by people wearing black costumes calling themselves Antifa or whatever are to be clear deliberately allowed and encouraged by the powers at be to polarize political opinion. Do you remember the media frenzy in trumps first term about..I dont know, everything? Russia Russia Russia. Microaggresions! Blablabla!
While fuckers are arguing over if a woman can have a dick (hint: no, they fucking cant) the actual shitheads responsible for much of the current disaster laugh their way to the bank and maintain their positions of power over our society.
The entire strangely pushy overconfomist authoritarian leftist dogma that started, hmm I dont know around 2012 did not come from genuine communist types or similar but from the top down, asserted immediately by ivory tower academics and political activists, and other sectors of the establishment, as a new norm. This whole fucking conflict is invented precisely to keep all the deplorable persons arguing over trivial shit while the tools of a fascist state of elite neofeudalism..a surveillance panopticon.. is constructed brick by brick. 
Today’s Antifa is tomorrow’s whatever we need it to be, and that is so obvious I hope its not ignored. The pendulum swings both ways but some people sit at the fulcrum and it ain’t you, kiddos.

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Oct 16 2025 20:59 utc | 209

When you allow your “Team Blue” POTUSes to go after pipeline protestors, Cop City protesters, even overcharging Jan 6th protesters under anti-terror laws, expand the Patriot Act, obliterate Habeas Corpus under the 2011 NDAA, etc. you have paved the way for Trump’s actions here. Oh, and crushed any progressive movement that could effectively fight this.

Posted by: Mary Anne Cummings | Oct 16 2025 21:00 utc | 210

nom
 
 
You have made a number of assertions here. Are you just venting or do you have any data to support this detailed report about “antifa”, the police etc. You must have been at the centre of the action and be a very observant person to have received such detailed impressions
 
 
Per se  I think there is nothing wrong with anecdotes but surely we should be aware of their limitations no? 
 
 
If you have no data, an anecdote is merely hearsay. 
 
 

Posted by: will moon | Oct 16 2025 21:03 utc | 211

It’s shocking to see the fact-free nonsense of the anti-antifa crowd pointing us the sunlight political uplands where the world was created in seven days 10,000 years ago, the 17th century Enlightenment never occurred and Pi can triumphantly be reset to its proper value of 3. God help us.

Posted by: damien | Oct 16 2025 21:04 utc | 212

I see the weekly Hudson/Wolff chat has yet to be mentioned. What Michael describes and what b has written are both components of the Full Spectrum Dominance policy that’s been floating around since 1996 and not concertedly implemented. IMO, that has now ended and the battlelines between the Outlaw US Empire and its elites and the Global Majority that also includes the greater mass of Americans. Psychohistorian asked a very deep, valid question about what part of the global top 10% will be allowed to remain within the new Colonial Era the Outlaw US Empire will try to impose. As I see it, there will be no leeway for dissent of any sort; it’s Sieg Heil or you’re no better than an imaginary Antifa agent. And of course, there’ll be tremendous amount of pushback applied to the Empire’s designs as is already occurring. 
If you’re an American, I suggest applying for a passport before it becomes too late and to vote with your feet if at all possible. Such advice is meant to be sensible, not hysterical or hyperbole. 
A government that combines with business and finance to wage war on its own people is a Fascist government, and that’s what’s happening within the Outlaw US Empire. Trump’s version of the Red Scare has begun.
 

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 16 2025 21:06 utc | 213

Posted by: frithguild | Oct 16 2025 20:55 utc | 206
 
I don’t want to shoot you either. I may be from MA, but that doesn’t mean I’m not armed to the teeth! And I and other commies don’t want your land, my friend, that behavior is for banks and corporations and other vampires. What I want is for you to live your life to the fullest possible extent, able to do what you want to do, with no one interfering. It’s the same thing I want for everyone. I see communism as the way to fulfilling that idea.

Posted by: Caveman | Oct 16 2025 21:07 utc | 214

Fascism is collaboration of the State with the big corporations and suppressing opposition.
 
The yankeeland is at it more than ever.

Posted by: Naive | Oct 16 2025 21:10 utc | 215

Basic moral principles, like Aristoteles’ golden mean, crave a certain level of civilisational maturity which Americans, obviously and unfortunately for all of us, still haven’t achieved. ***
Posted by: ThirdWorldDude | Oct 16 2025 20:32 utc | 198
 
I can play act this in any one of a number of regional accents – Irish might be fun. The baseline question is who gets to decide whether I’m compliant with the golden mean? Oliver Crommwell?  I would rather die fighting than agree to that. 
 
The 20% or so of the US that comes from an authoritarian family structure, rednecks basically, think this way. This is why communism takes root only in Asia. 

Posted by: frithguild | Oct 16 2025 21:16 utc | 216

Posted by: canuk | Oct 16 2025 20:57 utc | 207

Im about as leftist as a right hook old timer. Read it again, slowly this time. Try to keep up.

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Oct 16 2025 21:16 utc | 217

And I and other commies don’t want your land, my friend, that behavior is for banks and corporations and other vampires.
Posted by: Caveman | Oct 16 2025 21:07 utc | 214
 
It would be funny if not so dramatic: the landowners always supported the capitalists who are destroying them slowly by surely.
 
Or when stupidity rules the world.

Posted by: Naive | Oct 16 2025 21:17 utc | 218

Don’t  worry  – no actual old bastard Ziolords or their fortunes will be hurt in the pantomime. 
There will be, as usual,  a lot of bashing each other with Cartoon sticks as in every Punch and Judy show for the ‘kids’. CK’s Kirk Goers must be reharnessed … send in the young guns…

Posted by: DunGroanin | Oct 16 2025 21:20 utc | 219

Posted by: Mary Anne Cummings | Oct 16 2025 21:00 utc | 210

Very true. The excesses of the left encouraged and let’s say nurtured by the media in general over the past decade are now to be mirrored by their equally derpy and authoritarian cousins on the other side. Zealots gonna zealot.
Meanwhile those in a position to, profit. Unfortunately none of the people here, of that I am certain. Its like a war, the concept of not caring who is fighting, just wanting to sell the bombs and bandages. Morally hollow? Of course.

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Oct 16 2025 21:22 utc | 220

And I and other commies don’t want your land, my friend, that behavior is for banks and corporations and other vampires.Posted by: Caveman | Oct 16 2025 21:07 utc | 214 “It would be funny if not so dramatic: the landowners always supported the capitalists who are destroying them slowly by surely. Or when stupidity rules the world.”
Posted by: Naive | Oct 16 2025 21:17 utc | 218
 
No, English landowners despised the capitalists in the 18th and 19th century:
 

  • Mercantilism vs. the land-based economy: 
    Mercantile capitalism focused on controlling trade and accumulating wealth through trade and colonies. This was a different model than the land-based, feudal economy that had traditionally been the source of wealth and power for landowners. 

     

  • “”Monopolies and intervention: 
    Mercantile capitalists often benefited from government-granted monopolies and protectionist policies. This system was often at odds with the growing classical liberal ideals of laissez-faire, or “hands-off” government policies, which many landowners came to favor as they consolidated their own landholdings and sought to more freely profit from them. 

     

  • Shifting power dynamics: 
    The rise of industrial capitalism, which was driven by mercantile and then later industrial capitalists, began to shift the center of economic power away from land ownership and toward industrial production and finance.” 

Posted by: canuk | Oct 16 2025 21:26 utc | 221

*** I may be from MA … I see communism as the way to fulfilling that idea.
Posted by: Caveman | Oct 16 2025 21:07 utc | 214
 
Now we are getting to it! This is an American in the geographical area dominated by Puritan thinking – all owe a divine duty to act in the best interests of mankind and that God works through government. See how communism appeals in New England (The epicenter of US Higher education)? It took me a little playacting as a redneck to tease this out. This is just an illustration of how the US is really a collection of about 5 or 7 different nations (Puritan  abolitionists and rednecks fought on opposite sides in the Civil War). 

Posted by: frithguild | Oct 16 2025 21:26 utc | 222

@ Mary Anne Cummings | Oct 16 2025 21:00 utc | 210
 
yes, very true… how does it end? is this a sign that the usa is beyond repair? if it is to change, it won’t be swinging violently to either side, but finding a balance in the middle.. good luck getting to that place given what is happening here now.. 

Posted by: james | Oct 16 2025 21:28 utc | 223

Posted by: frithguild | Oct 16 2025 21:26 utc | 222
 
I am an atheist, God does not exist. There must be Justice in THIS world. Also, communism does not appeal to many people in New England, as evidenced by Maine and New Hampshire, and also the overwhelming amount of smug liberal assholes who live here. I told you why I am a communist, no reason make up your reasons.

Posted by: Caveman | Oct 16 2025 21:32 utc | 224

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Oct 16 2025 21:22 utc | 220
 
Now that post makes sense.
 
What you described ,as far as it goes is correct, yet you missed the real function of  Zealot V Zealot : Yes Zealots are Zealots on both sides but the elimination of the middle class both economically and educationally is the fundamental reason for this phenomenon.
 
Without  the ballast of a large functioning middle class to  tame both extremes of Zealots you will have  large, unproductive political swings in the system.
 
Pretty simple.

Posted by: canuk | Oct 16 2025 21:34 utc | 225

Fascism is collaboration of the State with the big corporations and suppressing opposition.The yankeeland is at it more than ever.
Posted by: Naive | Oct 16 2025 21:10 utc | 215
 
“Yankeeland” is an interesting word choice. You are correct if your describing New England and the places westward where they settled. Add the big cities (NY, LA, Chicago) to that, so yes fascism runs strong in those ones – basically anything aligned with the present Democrat Party. 
 
Not true for flyover country. 

Posted by: frithguild | Oct 16 2025 21:39 utc | 226

Posted by: Caveman | Oct 16 2025 21:32 utc | 224
 
That you are NE atheist that embraces communism makes even more sense. I’m not meaning this discussion to be an attack on you. Apologies if I made it that way. 

Posted by: frithguild | Oct 16 2025 21:43 utc | 227

3% of Americans will be imposing more austerity on 97% of Americans.
Any protests of the 97% will have to be repressed in order to maintain their status quo.
Fascism is kind to Capital.

Posted by: Frank | Oct 16 2025 21:45 utc | 228

Milites 55
 
Even to a self- declared military fascist it must be obvious that the consequences of virtually unlimited wealth by the Zionist Neocons is not good news for the human species.   Bring back the 99p in the pound wealth tax.

Posted by: Giyane | Oct 16 2025 21:54 utc | 229

Let’s cut the bullshit.
Antifa has many chapters across the US, some more organized than others.
Rose City antifa has membership requirements and official member lists, as many of the chapters do. This is just obvious with the simplest web searches.
 Any claims that antifa is just an “idea” are ludicrous and deliberate lies easily disproven.
 As to deporting illegal aliens, too bad so sad. We have the right to deport them as any nation has. Tough shit leeches. Don’t like the ICE tactics, don’t come and get the fuck out if you’re  already here.

Posted by: Archetypex | Oct 16 2025 21:54 utc | 230

Okay so since this article went all left/right narrative fuckwittering as us usual – with the resident socks from page 1 – let me add the salt to your dogs dinners.  
From a post and link to an article in some magazine called: 
@apocalypseos
27 Apr 2024
‘The Campaigner’ magazine in 1978 titled “Zionism is not Judaism – How Britains biggest racist created the Zionism cult” 
I do not necessarily believe nor or agree with the ‘history and facts’ quoted  in the whole article as I haven’t read its citations – but it raises some interesting dots of history that speak directly to b’s article   The dawn of history for instance, in the sentence below is the dubious Eurocentric History which apparently was reset with a Year Zero by some mighty People… I’ll let you guess whom …
 
“… Since the dawn of history, as a series of articles in previous issues of The Campaigner has demonstrated, all mass-oriented forms of political-intelligence operations have been mediated under the auspices of either religious or quasi-religious cults. Even to this day, the population of the United States is principally organized not through political parties, but through either religious bodies and associations, or through secular cults which serve as substitutes for religious associations among non-religious persons. (The “unity of the left” is an expression of the cultist tendencies predominating in the personalities of “leftists.”) The church may be separated from the state, but the state is in no real sense separated from the church. Through Protestant groups controlled through the machinery of the British-intelligence-run World Council of Churches (the US branch is the National Council of Churches), through the Anglican Jesuits’ penetration of the Catholic Churches from their Georgetown University base, and through the Zionist takeover of most of the synagogues and temples, the associations are determined and influenced which predominantly shape the attitudes and opinions of a majority of the population.
 
The aspect of religious associations which must be most emphatically examined to discover the way in which that control is exerted is the “social action” activities either conducted by or associated with religious bodies. This is not to suggest that religious bodies should not have the right to conduct what might be termed “social action.” It is to insist that the characteristic world-outlooks and commitments reflected in “social action” programs provide the most efficient insight into the way political outlooks of the electorate are being shaped.
 
The B’nai B’rith is the most evil and most dangerous of the “social action” programs associated with religious bodies in the United States today, as the US Labor Party has had reason to note.
 
At the top levels of corporate and government power, the Order of Malta and other evil arms of British intelligence are often more important in the criminal operations deployed against the Labor Party than the “Zionist lobby” as such. However, in the deployment of illegal “black operations” such as Zbigniew Brzezinski’s FIST and SWEEP operations, it is only the B’nai B’rith’s Anti-Defamation League which is able to consistently deploy the manpower in depth for tightly coordinated surveillance and harassment of local organizations and members of the Labor Party. The ADL is literally the Gestapo of British secret intelligence in the urban centers in the United States. No other “social action” complement to a religious association is so consistently, so profoundly evil.

We know that Zionism today is a parody more hideous than what it imitates from the most evil period of Ptolemaic Egypt and the Roman Empire. You cannot be a Zionist and also a Jew. …” 

Posted by: DunGroanin | Oct 16 2025 22:03 utc | 231

“basically anything aligned with the present Democrat Party”
frithguild@21:39
 
Looking at the two governing parties in the US, they seem to have a similar extremist dynamic. And the outcome is the same rich get richer everyone gets poorer, the only difference seems to be the method in making the rich richer
 
Why would Republican Party controlled by billionaires be any different to a Democratic Party run by billionaires? What can you see I can’t? 
 

Posted by: will moon | Oct 16 2025 22:10 utc | 232

Posted by: Archetypex | Oct 16 2025 21:54 utc | 230
 
RE:  Rose City antifa has membership requirements and official member lists, as many of the chapters do
 
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Keep in mind, too, that Sec Noem has offered a generous stipend to illegal aliens in the U.S. to self-deport, no questions asked.  In other words, the federal gov’t is saying, “Listen, we’ll make sure you get safely back to your home country with your family, but if you are here illegally you have to leave.  Otherwise, we’re searching for you.”
 
Maybe it is not acceptable for some to watch the federal gov’t enforce its Congressionally mandated laws, which immigration law certainly is.  Keep in mind that the U.S. suffered 4 years of Autopen Robinette and his abnegation of responsibility as far as border governance was concerned.
 
When he was in office, the MSM was such a booster of his policies that the newly weaponized IRS agents—IRS-CI—seemed the most respectable and unassailable of all federal employees, absolute angels w/ green eye shades, calculators & pistols.  Immigration & Customs Enforcement agents were sidelined, even accorded less respect, since the policies of Joe Robinette tracked toward open borders: it is said that 10 million illegal aliens entered the U.S. between 2021 and 2024.
 
I do hope that vocal barflies of MoA will step boldly & confidently forward and show us the incredible ways they protested King Joe Robinette’s monarchy when it came to these IRS agents who were allowed to pack heat.  It would be very instructive to see how you opposed such matters back then.
 
What’s that you say-?  Nobody @ MoA contested King Joe Robinette’s actions-?  Nobody noticed that the precedent King Joe Robinette was setting would be one which another admin might itself pursue-?
 
The fact is simply this:  yhe federal government has the right to enforce deportation laws.  Congress passed the laws long before DJT, and if politicians oppose them they can seek to rescind the laws via the democratic system: by voting them down.  Where Collective Biden, favoring Open Borders, preferred to slow walk enforcement of the deportation of illegal aliens, DJT, for whom immigration was & is a core issue, began authorizing ICE to fulfill its mission in all its parameters soon after his inauguration. Nothing shifted from Autopen Robinette’s admin to DJT’s regarding the legitimacy of ICE—-it’s simply that DJT privileged & emphasized their mission. 
 
But ICE agents, confirmed & codified under the same Congressional procedure as the IRS-CI agents under Autopen Robinette, are suddenly not free to pursue their federal aims because they are vilified as thugs and stormtroopers.
 
Don’t cry for me, Argentina.

Posted by: steel_porcupine | Oct 16 2025 22:17 utc | 233

There will no freedom until the last Trump is hung from the guts of the last Pope Leo.
Posted by: duck n cover | Oct 16 2025 16:05 utc | 31
 
 
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I liked your quote from Esther. I showed my wife, but she did not share my enthusiasm… yet?
 
 
Also, you mention the ‘last Trump’. We are now witnessing the Second Coming (of The Orange Jesus) – but is it the last?? Matthew 24:31 “In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: …. the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.” (KJV)
 
 
Sweet Jesus! Would that this were the last Trump.
 
 
My humble apologies for any offence to the true believers.

Posted by: General Factotum | Oct 16 2025 22:18 utc | 234

and Pi can triumphantly be reset to its proper value of 3. God help us.
Posted by: damien | Oct 16 2025 21:04 utc | 212
It’s Uhmerican Pi, dummy!

Posted by: ChatNPC | Oct 16 2025 22:19 utc | 235

Looks like Trump has decided to be a modern Caligula, and we know what happened to him. Luckily better Roman emperors succeeded the throne later, but it took about 100 years.
 
Unfortunately many Americans read ‘Democrat’ when they hear the work ‘Left’ they are so badly informed, and there are many acceptable reasons why Democrats should remain unelectable given their corrupt track record,  especially after Biden and Hillary. So Americans that cry ‘Right’ will simply serve as useful idiots that play directly into the hands of Trump’s glorious fascist and decadently corrupt ‘Right’ as it leads the country into chaos and its progressive demise from world dominance, including any respect it might have once attracted from the world outside.
 
Pity for decent Americans who see this as well, but many Western countries are now faced with US/Western driven dystopia until the covert cancerous tumor behind all this is fully excised.

Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Oct 16 2025 22:23 utc | 236

Posted by: will moon | Oct 16 2025 22:10 utc | 232
 
RE:  Why would Republican Party controlled by billionaires be any different to a Democratic Party run by billionaires? What can you see I can’t? 
 
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This is a boyars battle, a la the Kremlin of Ivan Grozny (Ivan the Terrible,) carried out above the pay-grade of Bread & Circus normies on both sides.   
 
I mean, I’ll say it:  I’m rooting for the populist non-globalist side.  It is the side working against the Deep State Permanent Washington fixtures that have been in place since Mrs. Nuland began her apprenticeship under Strobe Talbot during the Clinton presidency, circa Kosovo.
 
In any game of Jeopardy, I will take that category for $20 any time.
 

Posted by: steel_porcupine | Oct 16 2025 22:23 utc | 237

It reminds me of 1933 Germany. Again.

Posted by: dobby | Oct 16 2025 22:31 utc | 238

But this time they’re after the Goyim. Another boot on the neck in-coming. You heard the speeches from the Department of War.

Posted by: dobby | Oct 16 2025 22:35 utc | 239

Posted by: frithguild | Oct 16 2025 21:43 utc | 227
 
It’s no problem, friend. You’re doing what we all do and making generalizations about people based on where they’re from. I am guilty of the same thing at times for sure, so no problem.

Posted by: Caveman | Oct 16 2025 22:38 utc | 240

Not that they were after the Goyim in both devastating wars? So few rule so many it must make you sick, I’m about ready to puke.

Posted by: dobby | Oct 16 2025 22:40 utc | 241

The future is best surmised by Gilliams classic Brazil and I recommend you watch it. Or perhaps V for Vendetta but it is rather a bit optimistic and childish as a superhero must come in and save the people. Orwell might have been right when he prophesied the future as a vision of a ‘boot stamping on a human face,
 
Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Oct 16 2025 20:43 utc | 201
 
 
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I don’t know *V for Vendetta*, so I imagine the American future is part *Brazil*, part *1984*, and part *Handmaid’s Tale* in recognition of the fact that repressive Christianity (pardon the redundancy?) is such a big part of American culture.

Posted by: malenkov | Oct 16 2025 22:41 utc | 242

I see Bolton has just been indited on a large number of things. Haven’t bothered looking up the details. As far as I know, there is not much political ‘left’ in him.
 
US is a violent country as far as western countries go, and internal collapse is likely to be violent. The political left is Thunberg climate change and child grooming and child sex change. The political right is the extremist cult of Zionism.
 
I remember all that was done to hobble Trump in his first term by the globalists. Not just the American globalist faction but also five-eyes and Europe.
The stupid Europeans and Brits with their meeting to trump proof the war against Russia between election and inauguration.
 
It seems that for Trump, this term is payback time. I am not American so I just watch with interest what is happening there internally.
 
Illegal immigrants – economic immigrants – in any country have no rights and they should have thought of  that. The unfettered immigration into Europe and the US in the past decade or so is exceptionally destructive.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 16 2025 22:45 utc | 243

Well, well, well. People will now be locked up for ‘wrongthink’ ala Orson Wells. It is now ‘1984’ IRL.

Posted by: rgl | Oct 16 2025 22:46 utc | 244

This has always been the plan, hasn’t it? Invent an internal enemy, declare a state of emergency, cancel elections.

Posted by: Dave G | Oct 16 2025 22:48 utc | 245

Posted by: zargo | Oct 16 2025 18:55 utc | 155
 
Fascist dembot is bitching about fascism in the US of A.
Mass surveillance, extreme messianic chauvinism, brazen oligarchic rule and murderous imperialism under a Dem administration is good. Mass surveillance, extreme messianic chauvinism, brazen oligarchic rule and murderous imperialism under a Rep administration is bad.
You people have rehabilitated comrade Stalin with your liberal depravity.

Posted by: Constantine | Oct 16 2025 22:59 utc | 246

Gold headed for the stars. 6700 dollars Australian at the moment and climbing. Looks like most know the petro-dollar is toast.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 16 2025 23:02 utc | 247

  • support for the overthrow of the United States Government,

I’m a free man. I support this. Where do I sign up? The tree of liberty is either very thirsty or already dead.
 
Feds: if you take away my pen, you’re going to get my sword. That’s how it’s supposed be.

Posted by: HB Brian | Oct 16 2025 23:05 utc | 248

US stocks – the AI bubble makes the .com bubble look small.  Can’t be that long now before the US economy implodes in spectacular fashion.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 16 2025 23:06 utc | 249

Which arbitrary line is it that people will be punished for not toeing? 
Posted by: William Gruff | Oct 16 2025 17:59 utc | 121
 
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The cunning trap is to keep the line undefined until choosing to take action against those ‘crossing’ the line.
 
The Australian Government used this method to safeguard buildings of “Strategic Importance”. It is a criminal offence to take pictures of these buildings, but for ‘Security Reasons’ the Government will not identify these buildings. The only way for a citizen to identify these buildings is to take a picture and see whether they are charged with an offence.
 
As Dave Barry says, ‘You can’t make up this stuff’…

Posted by: General Factotum | Oct 16 2025 23:07 utc | 250

.. Islam forbids usury, gambling and pornography, all tools the Zionist use to destroy the US moral compass and social contract. ..
Posted by: MarcusAurelius | Oct 16 2025 16:16 utc | 46
You forgot alcohol. Some here would find abstaining from it quite difficult.

Posted by: tucenz | Oct 16 2025 23:10 utc | 251

steel porcupine
But D Trump passed massive tax cuts for the rich – money that could be spent on infrastructure that would benefit all no?
 
I think your history is short, this all began under Reagan, not Clinton who merely continued the neo Liberal policies of the Reagan admin. It can’t have escaped your attention that many of the same cadres serve both parties at a pinch eg  George Tenant served in the Clinton and Bush administrations. Robert Gates served Bush and Obama. And let us not forget the AIPAC minder issued to virtually every legislator, I can’t get your enthusiasm for a populism funded by billionaires and overseen by AIPAC
 
You seem to be saying the AIPAC thing is OK – are you? I can’t tell because you haven’t mentioned anything about this stranglehold this organisation has on US policy, whether instituted by billionaire populism or the old style duopoly AIPAC’s grip endures

Posted by: will moon | Oct 16 2025 23:10 utc | 252

 Illegal immigrants – economic immigrants – in any country have no rights and they should have thought of  that. The unfettered immigration into Europe and the US in the past decade or so is exceptionally destructive.
 
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 16 2025 22:45 utc | 243
 
Only because:
 
1) The West and particularly the US has caused enormous instability in many of the countries where they come from including permanently ongoing wars. Imperialism and colonialism introduced people in other countries to the source of wealth and materially successful lifestyles in Western countries.
 
2) Because they (even if you call them economic migrants) are like everyone else and doing what everyone else does: They believe that the West can offer a higher standard of life and stability, and so they want better material security like everyone else. Who doesn’t want that?
 
3) In an age of international mass media the West has been advertising its 1st world standards through not only media and advertising but also its movies that show frequently wealthy and comfortable life styles. Seems like an effective  drawcard, especially in the age of internet. 
 
4) While those with low incomes have little chance of migrating to wealthy countries, they see many wealthy people and families from their own countries getting easy access for immigration from Western countries.
 
Ironically in the West, we actually commend those people we call ‘achievers’ and particularly those who obtain great material success, massive incomes and high standards of living. Our media is full of it. 
 
Essentially for thousands of years the main cause of human diaspora or what I would call human entropy or diffusion around the world, has always been in driven by the search of better conditions and chances of better material survival even if that was not always the result in the long term .   

Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Oct 16 2025 23:15 utc | 253

“the future is best surmised by Gilliams classic movie,  “Brazil”‘
 
Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Oct 16 2025 20:43 utc | 201
 
I can agree with you on this point.

Posted by: canuk | Oct 16 2025 23:19 utc | 254

For the mentally damaged due to intense anti-socialist propaganda and their ultra-prog equivalent shysters:
Odd that the “far-left” antifa have not been raging against Trump during his numerous efforts to overthrow actual leftist governments in Latin America, including his latest antics with Venezuela. Said raging antifa fellas would be those who busted balls about the misogynist, transophobic nature of the Sandinistas, Pedro Castillo in Peru etc. One might even recall that Latino leftists have been given the same warm treatment under the totally not right-wing Dems.
 
Equally odd that the supposedly ferocious leftist radicals have been cool with the onslaught (through various forms) against the People’s Republic China. Not pure leftist for their sublime standards apparently. And Adrian Zenz is evidently a religious far-rightist except when he is spouting bull about China.
 
And that is without mentioning the attitudes of said leftists in eastern Europe. Plenty of love for the Maidanist regime in Kiev that has demolished monuments of those who fought fascism and raised other ones in honour of the Waffen SS. And who can forget the glorious slogan “from Portland to Belarus” in 2020, expressing solidarity with overt neoliberal far-rightists and neo-Nazis trying to overthrow Lukashenko? That was during the Trump administration btw, but that didn’t bother the raging revolutionary frauds.
 
Let the masks fall and the true nature of the globalist Anglo-American regime be exposed. And let the neoliberal far-right go to hell whether they pose as conservos or ultra-progs.

Posted by: Constantine | Oct 16 2025 23:20 utc | 255

The only sane response to Trump, AntiFa, and the whole “debate” here is to laugh and mock. Hard to believe some of the comments are meant seriously.
 
And “frithguild” fyi it’s the government (commie or not, any will do) and banks that will take (or destroy —Dupont ring a bell?) your alleged TN farm if they really want it (maybe for a company, maybe for a road, maybe only to eff you over because they didn’t like you) just as they have done against many tens if not hundreds of thousands of others both in the US and the rest of the world and you don’t stand a chance just like no one before you did.
 
You can use your shotgun all you like and still only be worse off; they’ll take your family and neighbors too and just make up some story. Militia? Now you wrote the story for them already, they’ll be very grateful and add a flourish or two and use it for entrapment.
 
So much for that. You ought to have already seen it happening yourself plenty of times but you write as if you haven’t.
 

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Oct 16 2025 23:28 utc | 256

“the future is best surmised by Gilliams classic movie,  “Brazil”‘ Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Oct 16 2025 20:43 utc | 201
 
“I can agree with you on this point.”
Posted by: canuk | Oct 16 2025 23:19 utc | 254
 
 
I saw this movie a long time ago, but I remember the scene in the beginning where a fly falls into a computer-like device (or maybe a printer) and that consequently triggers a dystopic invasion into a household in the middle of the night to arrest the inhabitants. They were not guilty of a crime, it was the accidental chaos in the system caused by the fly that triggered the reaction.
 
I have been thinking a lot about that scene since we have been rushing into A.I. and wondering when such and event will happen through an A.I. miscalculation which is seen more as the truth than what the people claim who find themselves accused for something they did not do. 

Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Oct 16 2025 23:29 utc | 257

I should refrain from mentioning the collective attacks of the neoliberal progs against the latest efforts of the Africans against decolonization after the great icon of feminism and social progress, Hillary Rondham Clinton, saw the destruction of Libya, the magical vanishing of its gold and the ritualistic, sybolical murder of Gaddafi in the very city the African Union was founded. Apparently, the supposedly enraged offspring of Aunty Fa were not perturbed in the least.
 
Just like the supposedly Christian parade of the neoliberal conservos who are bitching about Islam, while they were cheering the destruction of the Syrian republic by west-backed jihadist cannibals. Piers Morgan, Douglas Murray, Ben Shapiro and plenty other pillars of conservatism basked and gloried in the event.

Posted by: Constantine | Oct 16 2025 23:29 utc | 258

I recognise all that George. 
 
We the west, have launched constant wars and have driven many in poverty and try to keep them in poverty so they can be exploited. I also recognise unfettered immigration is utterly destructive.
 
There is now a ban on machetes in Victoria as ethnic street gangs in Melbourne are using them. Many no go areas for police in the cities of Europe. Sweden which used to have exceptionally low crime rate now has a very high crime rate.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 16 2025 23:30 utc | 259

Posted by: steel_porcupine | Oct 16 2025 22:17 utc | 233
 It’s very unsettling to see how the “left” of my youth (anti-war, anti-immigration, pro-labor) has now become pro-war, pro endless immigration and anti-labor. Or just plain crazy tranny, child grooming evil.
 
I lived overseas in several foreign countries and scrupulously obeyed their laws as I was a guest. I have no pity for the illegals, zip, nada. If I had my way they would be frog marched to the border in chains.
 
Turnabout is fair play.
 
b is very wrong on this one.

Posted by: Archetypex | Oct 16 2025 23:33 utc | 260

Posted by: will moon | Oct 16 2025 23:10 utc | 252
 
Yes, the wealth was going to simply trickle down to the middle and lower classes under Reagan and Thatcher (through tax cuts to the rich) and the kingdom and it little people would be merry again!  Nothing could be further from the truth they got f#cked over again. 
 
https://imgflip.com/i/6veq3e

Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Oct 16 2025 23:38 utc | 261

Walrus is on the Trump menu! couldn’t have happened to a more deserving bottom-feeding gastropod. if Trump removes this barnacle from the national hull and throws him in the tank, will any of Bolton’s shipmates complain? I bet his wife will send Trump a Christmas card thanking him if Bolton does some jail time.  yes, i know this personal vendetta crap is not good, except we do see them betray each other like it’s nothing. And Trump has no concern that there is no consequence to himself at all for Bolton’s supposed disloyalty, while gloating that he can snap his fingers and ruin someone life’s, simply w/legal fees.
 
plus all the lefties threatening Bolton’s life. constantly. no MAGAfiers will threaten Bolton in any way after secret testimony about secret documents leads to an accusation from the Emperor’s court.
 
try writing your Trump expose from prison, Mr Bolton!

Posted by: duck n cover | Oct 16 2025 23:40 utc | 262

*** You’re doing what we all do and making generalizations about people based on where they’re from. ***
Posted by: Caveman | Oct 16 2025 22:38 utc | 240
 
This notion of political dispositions are predictable within geographical areas is  actually pretty deeply ingrained into political analysis, viz e.g.:
Joel Garreau, The Nine Nations of North America (1981);
Colin Woodard, American Nations; (2011).
Some follow on studies correlate anthroplogical family structures (stable over generations) in certain geographical areas by genetics. This is why party affinity and voting patterns can be so stable – like why the Iron Range in Minnesota votes so reliably Democrat. This all reveals itself if you dig deeply into polling data. Understand it and you can make good profits in the election betting markets. 
 
Many Europeans are not so familiar with this phenomenon. 

Posted by: frithguild | Oct 16 2025 23:42 utc | 263

Posted by: Archetypex | Oct 16 2025 23:33 utc | 260
 
Few support unregulated immigration, but you present as if it takes place without the support of the neoliberal capitalist elites. I mean, is it not “laissez- faire, laissez-passe” (emphasis here on the latter)?
 
And how is it okay to be cool with subversion and devastation of entire countries and societies through sanctions and other means or war, but then have “no pity” for the wretched who seek survival in the “Land of Milk and Honey”? It’s not as if the grat Chicano empror unleashed his hordes against the poor Yankees and overwhelmed in order to colonize Yankeeland.

Posted by: Constantine | Oct 16 2025 23:42 utc | 264

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 16 2025 23:30 utc | 259
 
I thought you would, but it gave me an opportunity to write it all down since it has been floating around in my mind for some time.
 
What I like about you and many others here who respect different points of view, is that we can discuss something like two adults without it becoming WWIII, or one of us only seeing our own view as the only valid one. 36 views of Mt Fuji complete a fuller picture, not just one view.
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirty-six_Views_of_Mount_Fuji

Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Oct 16 2025 23:46 utc | 265

Don’t fall into the Democratic propaganda points with regards to Antifa. It’s not just an “idea” or “an organization that doesn’t exist.” It very much exists, and those of us who have seen the violence first hand can attest to that. Later historians will describe it more as a “secret society” than an “affinity group.” Just don’t underestimate it.
Posted by: giocon | Oct 16 2025 15:15 utc | 6
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That is simply just not true.
In other words, complete horseshit.
“Antifa” has no governing body, no board of directors, no directors at all, no offices, no mailing address, no website, no charter, none of that. Therefore it cannot even be classified as an organization at all.
 
So I wish the Trump DOJ & FBI rotsa ruck going after them. They’re chasing smoke.
 
As b pointed out, it’s an idea, an affiliation among those who subscribe to its agenda, which as its very name suggests is antifascism.
Something with which I’d say a preponderance of barflies here agree with, even if they don’t support the tactics that “Antifa” actors adopt.

Posted by: George the Zeroth | Oct 16 2025 23:49 utc | 266

*** It’s very unsettling to see how the “left” of my youth (anti-war, anti-immigration, pro-labor) has now become pro-war, pro endless immigration and anti-labor. Or just plain crazy tranny, child grooming evil. ***
Posted by: Archetypex | Oct 16 2025 23:33 utc | 260
 
My 1980’s self could not in a million years imagine what the Democrat Party has become. I remember the 1960s Democrat embrace of “never trust the government” crowd. From the we get the Clintons? And the sleighride into authoritarianism?  And outright cheating is ok if the cause is worthy? Wow! 

Posted by: frithguild | Oct 16 2025 23:54 utc | 267

Thanks to everyone for your contributions, all of you. I read all your posts. And thanks to b for maintaining a bar where actual discussion occurs, the light of reason and inquiry remains. The shared thread is humanity. We all eat, piss and shit, love our children, and want to be left the fuck alone. 
Ok, off to the gulag. Good night and good luck.

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Oct 16 2025 23:56 utc | 268

Constantine | Oct 16 2025 23:42 utc | 264
 
The Ukrainians have been used by the Globalist elite. Now they are being slaughtered by the thousands.
The immigrants have been used by the globalist elite. Now in the US the illegals are being booted out again.
What Trump actually is I am unsure, but much of the pig picture of this Trump term is a push back, a war, against the globalists. In saying that, I doubt Trump is all goodness and sweetness and Honey. There is zionism and ‘take the oil’. Though perhaps like RFK, it is just the oil and to Trump the zio’s are nothing more than an unsinkable aircraft carrier for the Persian Gulf oil.
 
With the US military, there is always collateral damage, collateral murder. US is a mess and I just watch.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 16 2025 23:56 utc | 269

Maybe different, but I don’t think this is off-topic …..
 
Considering the national / global array of political (alleged) “leaders” and their orchestrated antics nowadays, reckon that to the usual ‘dystopian society’  classics list of 1984, The Iron Heel, Brave New World, Stepfather Bank, The Time Machine, Animal Farm, Fahrenheit 451,  etc., another book really does deserve to get included — Emphyrio by Jack Vance.

Posted by: Cynic | Oct 16 2025 23:56 utc | 270

On that note, 3 things Islam is clearly not responsible for. . Child sexual abuse, human trafficking. 
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 16 2025 16:18 utc |

Seriously? And those Pakistani guys in Britain that got busted in that huge scandal recently where they were grooming young teen white girls for sexual exploitation?
They were just a fun buncha’ guys practicing I dunno’, Judaism, Buddhist maybe? What?
 

Posted by: drinky crow | Oct 17 2025 0:01 utc | 271

That is simply just not true.In other words, complete horseshit.“Antifa” has no governing body, no board of directors, no directors at all, no offices, no mailing address, no website, no charter, none of that. Therefore it cannot even be classified as an organization at all. ***
Posted by: George the Zeroth | Oct 16 2025 23:49 utc | 266
 
By this logic there is no existence of or influence of anybody by Alcoholics Anonymous. 
 
Antifa exists. Nobody has shined a light on their funding because rent-a-mobs are useful – kind of like Maidan in 2014 was just an idea. 

Posted by: frithguild | Oct 17 2025 0:03 utc | 272

@29 drinky-cow I live in and around Portland. What started as an NGO-Antifa sponsored sit-in around the ICE building has brought in the community with costumes and fun and A LOT more people.  The people that have recently joined the sit-ins around the ICE are Johnny-come-latelys and the fun-loving types who also joined in with the No-Kings Demonrat-coordinated rallies a while back.  The Trump admin is using the press to push further Federalization of the police and the fun-loving leftists are playing into the game hook, line, and sinker.
Posted by: NemesisCalling | Oct 16 2025 16:45 utc | 74

 
As long as they are “fun loving” and not violent, they aren’t.
You haven’t answered the question as to how you what they’re thinking.

Posted by: drinky crow | Oct 17 2025 0:10 utc | 273

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 16 2025 23:56 utc | 269
 
I don’t follow you, Peter. How is Trump pushing back, when he backed and expanded the murderous policies of the previous administration and Israel in the Middle East? How does he stand against the globalist regime when he continued aand now owns the war in Ukraine despite a clear mandate to get out of it? How does he do all that when he opts to ratchet up the conflict with China and threaten directly Venezuela?
 
I can understand the hopes of some folks for a change in disastrous and criminal US policies, but it just isn’t forthcoming and it is not healthy to maintain illusions about it.

Posted by: Constantine | Oct 17 2025 0:12 utc | 274

Posted by: Caveman | Oct 16 2025 19:19 utc | 168

 
Yeah I get that I was pranking Milites.
Don’t be sorry.

Posted by: drinky crow | Oct 17 2025 0:20 utc | 275

alek_a | Oct 16 2025 19:00 utc | 159
*** I do not understand how can there be leftist people in this world that, by far in comparison to the past, is mired in abundance.I then conclude that leftism is an emotional state and not based on facts. This then draws the next conclusion that most of what we see in media is actually fake leftist presence to build their numbers and send messages. Emotions capture the voter base. ***
 
But the so-called “leftism” to which you refer is not really “left” — as in ‘socialist’ —  at all …. it is just hysterically wokist liberal-bigotry once its ulteriorly motivated masks of fake ‘concern’ and bogus ‘compassion’ have started to slip,  such that its basically ultra violent totalitarianism and idiotic “(all) change is good!” inclination towards destruction for its own sake become visible.  As bad as (closely related) neoliberalism and rabid ‘religious’ cultism, which very much includes the zionists.
 

Posted by: Cynic | Oct 17 2025 0:21 utc | 276

Posted by: frithguild | Oct 16 2025 23:42 utc | 263
 
My family came to MA from Ireland, some during the famine, some during the trouble in the early 20th Century. For the past at least 80 years (my grandparents down to my generation) they’re all liberal Democrats. My grandfather was a state rep in the 60s and a state senator in the 70s. If I said nothing else except that I was from MA, and you guessed that I was some sort of bleeding heart, you’d be right with about 75% of the people here. So there is definitely truth to what you say. Betting that MA will go blue in a National election is never a bad bet at all. 
 
 
I got lucky. I got into punk rock as a teenager (talking like 14 here), and started going to underground punk shows in Boston. That’s where I met every kind of weirdo there is, and where I got exposed to all kinds of different philosophies and ways of thinking, from the sarcastic communism of Dead Kennedys, to the Reaganite right wing of Fear, to the social nihilism of GG Allin. Dead Kennedys suited me best. Laugh at authority, because it’s generally ridiculous. I guess a lot of people here probably feel it’s a good thing that most people don’t think like me, but that’s fine. I like me, which is something I was unable to say when I didn’t think this way. And I’l be gladly tortured and killed before I go back to disliking me.

Posted by: Caveman | Oct 17 2025 0:22 utc | 277

Posted by: drinky crow | Oct 17 2025 0:20 utc | 275
 
Haha, I definitely got it. Had to get that all out though! I notice he hasn’t answered, although I am genuinely curious as to what his answer might be.

Posted by: Caveman | Oct 17 2025 0:26 utc | 278

Constantine | Oct 17 2025 0:12 utc | 274
 
Change in the US? US is collapsing. That is what we watch now. Collapse of empire, collapse internally.
 
Ehret divided the US into the nationalists and loyalists as after the revolution a number have always stayed loyal to Britain. 
I generally call the globalists rather than loyalists as they conspire with the elite of not only UK but also Europe.
Instead of the pretense of treating the Euro puppets as if they were leaders, Trump had them lined up in front of his desk like naughty children.
 
Trump is fronting the now large faction of US nationalists. The way they treat Europe and Nato and internally  – deporting the illegal migrants brought in by the globalists and also targeting antifa which is a globalist tool.
 
That does not make the nationalist all goodness though. They want the oil. Other countries oil.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 17 2025 0:40 utc | 279

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 16 2025 22:45 utc | 243
 
RE:   It seems that for Trump, this term is payback time.
 
<<
 
You know, Peter  AU1, for DJT this term may indeed be nothing more than payback time.   DJT’s motives, whatever they may be, do not invalidate the need to interrogate the actions of Autopen Robinette’s admin, his hyper-weaponized lawfare-minded DoJ, or to probe other sus doings under Collective Biden, including even the lies used to cover up Autopen Robinette’s cognitive decline.
 
The importance of pursuing these things transcends one particular man, DJT. 
 
Collectively, people the world over were duped, bewildered, bamboozled, led astray by the slipshod way matters got handled during Autopen Robinette’s fraudulent presidency.  It is even said that the war in Ukraine would not have happened had Collective Biden not dug in so recalcitrantly.  World leaders in the G-7 and NATO and the EU saw the truth about Autopen Robinette and said nothing, preferring to enrich themselves off the easy grift.  The code of silence itself, excusing a duplicitous hegemon, would seem to be its own critical rallying cry.
 
This is not about one man’s desire to right the wrongs.

Posted by: steel_porcupine | Oct 17 2025 0:44 utc | 280

Posted by: Cynic | Oct 17 2025 0:21 utc | 276
 
Well said, the terms as they stand now have lost their original meaning entirely. 
 
The Right-Left argument even if we return to the original French definition which was based on the two sides of parliament in the late 18th Century is in some ways absurd the way people argue about it today.  It was originally more about a flat model of governance, wealth, and power, verses a vertical model of governance, wealth, and, power. 
 
Now it is as if Right is the only good option or Left the only good option, so one or the other must be extinguished.
 
The fact is that we need both to have any degree of equilibrium and sometimes the pendulum needs to swing a little more to one side or the other, but it has to be always in  movement. That’ s if it is used in the original sense of the terms, not the confusion that is trotted out today by both Democrats and Republicans for example.
 
Some would argue that cutting off one side of a seesaw would make the playground toy more fun.
 
Equally removing one eye would make vision better. 

Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Oct 17 2025 0:48 utc | 281

 steel_porcupine | Oct 17 2025 0:44 utc | 280
 
Yes. Well put.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 17 2025 0:48 utc | 282

I will attempt to explain what targeting the so-called “left” is about.
 
It’s both clever and evil.
 
Trump has to create a clear delineation, as Gruff does, between good guys and mentally ill (TDS) bad guys. More of the fracturing of America, ensuring that populism cannot get traction.
 
Also, the GOP is going to get annihilated in the midterms and Trump is not on the ballot to drive turnout.
 
The wording is intentionally vague such that it can be applied to anyone for any reason.
 
Take note of who is celebrating. They think these “policies” will not be used against them. They are not in America or ignorantly think their red MAGA cap will save them.
 
History shows that collaborators and true believers do not fare well under totalitarianism.
 

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 17 2025 0:49 utc | 283

LoveDonbass | Oct 17 2025 0:49 utc | 283
 
In some ways, what is occurring in the US could be looked at as violent revolution. What the outcome of it will be is anybodies guess at this stage.
Gold is sky rocketing,the petro-dollar is finished and the massive bubble in the stockmarket is about to burst.
 
US has printed vast amount of currency in the past few years but now other countries are using their own currencies in trade.
 
That means there is a large amount of US currency not required in circulation. The US are headed into the eye of the perfect storm. 

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 17 2025 0:58 utc | 284

I do not understand how can there be leftist people in this world that, by far in comparison to the past, is mired in abundance.I then conclude that leftism is an emotional state and not based on facts. 
 
Posted by: alek_a | Oct 16 2025 19:00 utc | 159
 
 
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Thanks for your insight, Alex.
 
 
Yes, there is an abundance of money – enough for the whole world to live in comfort – but is it shared equally.
 
 
Yes, there is an abundance of food, even enough for the 44 Million (APPROX) in the richest country on Earth, who can access it so easily with food stamps.
 
 
Similarly with resources.
 
 
And everyone gets a fair days pay for a fair day’s work, don’t they. Those on the minimum wage get, what, $7.25 per hour? Mr. Elon Musk also gets his ‘fair ‘ pay, for which I am sure he works very hard. Rough BOTE calculation: Mr. Musks recent remuneration package provides him with $100B per year for the next ten years. Assume the poor man has to work eight hours a day, five days a week, forty-eight weeks a year. That gives him the measly sum of just shy of $15,000 PER SECOND. Or, to make it easier for the toiler on the minimum wage to compare, just over $52,000 per hour of ‘work’.
 
 
How dare those ‘leftists’ stoop to letting their emotions run wild, rather than acting on the facts I have presented above.
 
 
Oh, and Alex – all corrections to my rough analysis will be gratefully received and cheerfully acknowledged on this forum. 

Posted by: General Factotum | Oct 17 2025 0:59 utc | 285

Lol I knew this thread would be big.  Left-right stuff always works to make us fight.  Must say, Doctor Eleven nailed it at #201 and #209.  

Posted by: ThouShalt | Oct 17 2025 1:00 utc | 286

@273 drinks cow
 
Try to follow the logic here:
 
It started as paid-agitators sitting-in at the Federal ICE building.
 
Trump retaliated by making it a big deal in the media. Threatens excessive force. 
 
Threat of excessive force draws in the fun-loving types around Portland who have been dressing up in oversize, inflatable costumes (frogs, which is lame because Pepe and Groyper have been around for close to a decade). The larger crowds gives it more of a powderkeg quality that could ignite in violence that would be well-covered in the national media and would pave the way for further Federalized police excess, setting a precedent of a crackdown which could then involve crushing actual antiwar dissent in the face of mass protests when Ukraine gets tomahawks and/or Iran/Israel go 12 rounds in the near future. 
 
b is right that this is a work in progress for Trump (read: a step in the process). It is not about immigration; Trump admin has stopped reporting deportation numbers because they are paltry. 
 
It is about goading a reaction to create a powderkeg that will set the precedent for Federalization of local police to frontrun true dissident movements in the not-too-distant future. 
 
 

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Oct 17 2025 1:01 utc | 287

I remember during the riots of 2020 B published an article pointing out that the US was getting its own Color Revolution.
I don’t know if that article is still available on this site.
 
But after the DNC managed to get their “sharp as a tack” president into the White House, the riots stopped.  I guess the “idea” of anti-fascism went away for a while.  4 years, to be exact, while the sharp as a tack president provoked numerous wars, assassinations, politically targeted lawfare, and widespread censorship.  Biden wrote the act in the 90s that increased the population of the prison system in the US, and he pushed through the Patriot Act, which he also bragged about writing.
 
But for 4 years the idea of being anti fascist went away.  Huh, that’s interesting.
 
But- another Trump presidency=another uprising of anitfa.  More riots, more beatings, more arson.
 
The same people who told you with a straight face that Biden was sharp as a tack are now telling you that antifa, those blackclad rioters with their bricks and umbrellas (straight outta Hong Kong),  are “just an idea”.
They wear the same clothes, they fly the same flag (factory made, just like in Georgia), they move from city to city, they swarm and attack anyone who gets in their way.   But they have no organization and take no orders.
And they were gone for the 4 years of the Biden regime.   But they aren’t the shock troops of the DNC, oh, no.  
They’re just a bunch of plucky citizens intent on making sure that Bad Orange Man doesn’t do something fascist, like arrest rioters and arsonists.   They aren’t connected in any way.   They just spontaneously decided one day to go out and make sure that all 11 million people that came over the border in the last 4 years get to stay.
They’re our neighbors now, doncha know.

Posted by: wagelaborer | Oct 17 2025 1:04 utc | 288

alek_a  and General Factotum
 
In conversing with my sister over the past few years, I have got to know her a bit. A bit shocked also by several of her beliefs and her decision making process.
 
She told me bluntly she has no interest in facts. She makes decisions based on her emotions. She only trusts the mainstream media and firmly believes in child grooming and child sex change.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 17 2025 1:05 utc | 289

Posted by: alek_a | Oct 16 2025 19:00 utc | 159 A very wise post, thanks, alek
Posted by: canuk | Oct 16 2025 19:07 utc | 162
 
 
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Oh shit! I must be wrong if my feeble intellect does not align with the thoughts of the venerable Mr. Canuk.
 
 
Help me please! Maybe an inaugural ‘Damascus Road Award’ (TM!!) to The General for finally seeing the light, albeit unforgivably late in the day…
 
 
Please Mr. Canuk!  Relevance deprivation syndrome is playing havoc with my self-esteem.

Posted by: General Factotum | Oct 17 2025 1:07 utc | 290

Posted by: General Factotum | Oct 17 2025 0:59 utc | 285
 
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Food in America is a joke. The Europeans won’t import American “food”.
 
American food is gross when compared to relatively unadulterated food elsewhere.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 17 2025 1:09 utc | 291

what if.. the following scenario?
 
While in enroute to LA today I saw my first think cop.. He pulled over a 70 year old women and had her laying face down on the ground and was using one of those new memory erasers on her. 
 
I am told the memory eraser connects to a server in Trumps White house, it reads the entire content of a persons memory and edits the portions of memory  from the mind of the suspect that have been declared unlawful. 
 
Has anyone see this new device? 

Posted by: snake | Oct 17 2025 1:11 utc | 292

American food is gross when compared to relatively unadulterated food elsewhere.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 17 2025 1:09 utc | 291
 

Guess where the organic food movement originated?  Not to mention craft beer.  
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_organic_farming

Posted by: ThouShalt | Oct 17 2025 1:15 utc | 293

“Left-right stuff always works to make us fight. ”
Posted by: ThouShalt | Oct 17 2025 1:00 utc | 286
 
Only if you see it as a black and white issue where one has to overpower the other, which is of course what some people on here always seek to do. 
 
Is the day more important than the night?
The left hemisphere of the brain more important than the right hemisphere of the brain?
Is turning right in your car more important than turning left on a road that winds along  like most do?
Is your right hand more important than you left hand?
Is your right leg more important than your left leg?
 
The point is that it depends on what moment of time and under what situation any event takes place. Then both the right and left are complimentary and make perfect sense.
 
If the employers and wealthy classes get the upper hand then it is no good for the workers and ordinary people.
 
If the workers and ordinary people get the upper hand it is no good for business owners and general prosperity.
 
 
 

Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Oct 17 2025 1:16 utc | 294

GeorgeWendell | Oct 17 2025 1:16 utc | 294
 
As the saying goes – In China, you cant change the party but you can change they policy. They have a mix of what in the west would be called left and right policy.
Same with the United Russia party in Russia. They consider all policies and find which ones work best for the Russian people.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 17 2025 1:21 utc | 295

Why would the state of the modern left on subjects like child grooming and child marriage surprise you when you have pieces of pithecoid shit like LoveDonbass and Giyane openly defending and celebrating a 53 year old pervert marrying and fucking a nine year old girl, all the while claiming some sort of smug, self righteous moral superiority over the West and all the while being defended by a bunch of pederast protecting leftist jellyfish. Disgusting.

Posted by: itsallsotiresome | Oct 17 2025 1:27 utc | 296

Any MoA thread that starts with the noun “Trump” is bound by human nature to be a big and divisive thread.  Since 2015 when Trump came down the escalotor, MSM has used him as a divisive antagonist.  I scan headlines on MSM news.  Almost everyday, since 2015, the first word on the page is “Trump”.  

Posted by: ThouShalt | Oct 17 2025 1:33 utc | 297

Relax. When America circa 2030-2040 is looking like Gaza today almost all the global problems disappear instantly. The globe realigns to its axis. Bye. 🙂
 

Trump’s version of the Red Scare has begun.
Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 16 2025 21:06 utc | 213 

 
I do not care at all. Have no fear. He and his crew are going to totally wreck the place. I’m hoping he cancels the next election and appoints himself Emperor. And all you Americans go completely crazy and start killing each other by millions.  Using missiles that flatten every city.  I’ll be eating popcorn watching streaming news coverage. 9/11 on steroids over a decade. Woo hoo. Grand.
 
TINA, right? Think about it. Be objective and evidence based.  You’re all (overwhelming majority +80%)  maniacal violent fantasists. . . .  since the day y’all arrived in Turtleland — presuming you were Dutch and British or French and Jewish. But you weren’t, you were Americans now! 🙂 
 
The Chronology of Crazy in America 12 minshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XirnEfkdQJM

Posted by: dodger | Oct 17 2025 1:56 utc | 298

A tangential contrarian hypothesis looks at the origin of the term fasces, its representation stretching back to antiquity as a bundle of sticks, arrows, or some suggest Spartan iron rods representing a symbolic rejection of excesses and corruption.

The themes attached vary, but always the assembly of many being stronger than the individual. A bundle of arrows cannot be broken by hand, for example. When an axe is incorporated it represents a central authority that makes decisions or strikes at the enemy.

The individual elements of the fasces are the individuals, unsurprisingly.

After Canuk previously cited the political origin of the term as Musolini, I had found documentation that the term was uses well back into 19th century to denote public gatherings of protest, but unfortunately cannot find that text again now.

Even democracy can be considered fascism, that elects a representative authority. The fascism we are taught also points invariably to the policies enacted by resultant leaders, more than the process itself, i.e. the appropriation of the definition for political position.

Clearly, once someone says ‘my dictate is fascism’ the meaning becomes corrupt, because fascism would be a method (street protest, common rejection, demand, or resistance) and not the rule of one.

We see a very similar pattern with ‘democracy’, I think.

So whether the public became co-opted, deceived into forming a movement, had their initiative take on an excessive form of its own, or was infiltrated and misused, is quite a large question if the above theory is correct.

Antifa, by that definition, would be … ?

But, it is only a theory, and centralised authority or dictate is just what it is, depending.

People get the governance they pay for…

Posted by: Ornot | Oct 17 2025 1:57 utc | 299

“Trump”.  
Posted by: ThouShalt | Oct 17 2025 1:33 utc | 297

 
In other breaking news, the Sun is really hot.  🙂

Posted by: dodger | Oct 17 2025 1:59 utc | 300