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October 16, 2025
Trump’s War Against ‘Left-leaning’ Groups Extends Further

There are a number of indicators which lets one predict that the Trump administration, during the next election, will use government forces to severely attack and disrupt all opposition to it.

Trump has send the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents into the cities to harass and arrest alleged illegal immigrants. Due cause is disregarded and the methods used by the agents are brutal.

Trump has also sent National Guard troops into cities where, he claimed, riots were taking place. There were no riots or ‘terrorist incidents’ but the presence of troops is used to create a militarized atmosphere.

A new National Security Presidential Memorandum, NSPM-7 issued by Trump has defined new classes of internal enemies:

With the mainstream media distracted by the made-for-TV drama of James Comey’s indictment, Trump has signed a little-noticed national security directive identifying “anti-Christian” and “anti-American” views as indicators of radical left violence.

In NSPM-7, “Countering Domestic Terrorism and Organized Political Violence,” President Trump directs the Justice Department, the FBI, and other national security agencies and departments to fight his version of political violence in America, retooling a network of Joint Terrorism Task Forces to focus on “leftist” political violence in America. This vast counterterrorism army, made up of federal, state, and local agents would, as Trump aide Stephen Miller said, form “the central hub of that effort.”

The Trump administration isn’t only targeting organizations or groups but even individuals and “entities” whom NSPM-7 says can be identified by any of the following “indicia” (indicators) of violence:
anti-Americanism,

  • anti-capitalism,
  • anti-Christianity,
  • support for the overthrow of the United States Government,
  • extremism on migration,
  • extremism on race,
  • extremism on gender,
  • hostility towards those who hold traditional American views on family,
  • hostility towards those who hold traditional American views on religion, and
  • hostility towards those who hold traditional American views on morality.

“The United States requires a national strategy to investigate and disrupt networks, entities, and organizations that foment political violence so that law enforcement can intervene in criminal conspiracies before they result in violent political acts,” the directive states (emphasis mine).

That all may sound laughable but these are unfortunately serious policies .  The target list includes organizations which do not exist:

The FBI and the homeland security department are actively investigating “Antifa” individuals and organizations that the Trump administration has branded domestic terrorists. Actions so far include collecting intelligence on Antifa “affinity” groups, canvassing the FBI’s vast informant network for tips about Antifa, and scrutinizing financial records, two sources involved in the investigations tell me.

There are no ‘antifa’ organizations. ‘Antifa’ is the idea of fighting indications of fascism. From time to time local interest groups may claim to do so for this or that reason. This category ‘antifa’ was likely chosen because it can be applied to any group that opposes government policies.

Today Yves Smith reports of another enforcement agency that Trump will use to destroy opposition to him:

The war against Trump’s perceived political enemies keeps escalating. The Wall Street Journal provides new detail on how the Trump Administration intends to use an IRS criminal unit, whose members bear arms, as part of his campaign against “left-leaning” organizations. This fallows a Reuters account describing how the Trump Administration intends to use the Department of Justice and DHS to pursue “left wing” groups that allegedly fomented violence.

Now to the press accounts. Key sections from the Journal’s report:

The Trump administration is preparing sweeping changes at the Internal Revenue Service that would allow the agency to pursue criminal inquiries of left-leaning groups more easily, according to people familiar with the matter.

A senior IRS official involved in the effort has drawn up a list of potential targets that includes major Democratic donors, some of the people said.

The undertaking aims to install allies of President Trump at the IRS criminal-investigative division, or IRS-CI, to exert firmer control over the unit and weaken the involvement of IRS lawyers in criminal investigations, officials said. The proposed changes could open the door to politically motivated probes…

Among those on the list are the billionaire Democratic donor George Soros and his affiliated groups…

Many on the left will not mind any attack on George Soros as his organization is well know for financing foreign color revolutions against legitimate leftist rulers. We can however be assured that Trump wont stop with them:

The list includes Soros’ Open Society Foundations; ActBlue, the funding arm of the Democratic Party; Indivisible, a grassroots coalition opposed to Trump policies and the Coalition for Humane Immigrant Rights, a Los Angeles-based group.

Other groups on the list include two Jewish nonprofits that oppose Israel’s war in Gaza – IfNotNow and Jewish Voice for Peace.

There is unfortunately little institutional or political opposition that can restrain Trump:

The push against domestic groups and their donors comes amid Trump’s attacks on law firms, universities and the media, and his deployment of National Guard troops to some Democratic-run cities.

Timothy Naftali, a presidential historian and former director of the Richard Nixon presidential library, said Trump and Nixon were similar in their desire to punish political enemies and silence critics, but a pliant Republican-controlled Congress and a cabinet packed with loyalists are enabling Trump to go further.

“That’s why this particular moment is more dangerous for the rule of law in the United States than the 1970s were,” Naftali said.

All these are ominous signs that Trumps war on the political opposition will escalate further. Seymour Hersh’s sources are warning of this:

What’s happening now may be a trial run for the use of those forces to interfere on the behalf of the president and the Republican Party in states where the Democratic Party has a chance to win crucial seats in next fall’s Congressional elections. I’ve been told by someone with inside knowledge that planning for such action is now under way in the White House.

The ‘coerced dominance’ that has marked Trump’s brutal approach to foreign policy will now being applied to domestic issues and legitimate opposition.

Russell Vought, Trumps’s Director of the Office of Management and Budget, and Stephen Miller, the White House deputy chief of staff for policy, are the men behind this.

The scary thing is that there is, so far, little or any opposition to these plans and only few warnings about their consequences.

Comments

There are no ‘antifa’ organizations. ‘Antifa’ is the idea of fighting indications of fascism.

First time ever to call BS to b.
 

Posted by: DM: | Oct 16 2025 17:16 utc | 101

Posted by: Ok | Oct 16 2025 17:11 utc | 97
 
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Al-Jolani is not a Muslim, like Trump is not a Christian.
 
Putin is a Christian; he is capable of anything. Christians are very flexible; they are pro-genocide.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 16 2025 17:17 utc | 102

Posted by: james | Oct 16 2025 15:41 utc | 20
Good points. 
Divisions exist and need to be balanced. The left of my youth needs to be part of the national dialogue, i.e., counter-acting capitalism as a moral code is at the heart of my critique. As long as we assert that the radical materialism of the current version of capitalism (based on the will of finance oligarchs) it is impossible to have anything other than gansterism/neo-feudalism as the emergent system. I’ve seen this happen over the decades. The counter to this is to unite left and right populists in some way. I see this beginning to happen in the USA. Personally, I don’t want to emphasize divisions–we need to keep our view of life as a positive assertion of our vision of universal love–my actual religion. However, this vision requires a new sort of gnosticism (in the original definition of the term) or experiential mysticism in spite of the official view materialism/consumerism as the only possible way of life. 

Posted by: Chris Cosmos | Oct 16 2025 17:19 utc | 103

History teaches, both distant and recent past, that those who use violence abroad, against others, use violence within, against their own nation. That is inevitable, because of the nature of violence as a policy and method, and the inextricable link between foreign and domestic policy.
 
Noone should be surprised at the terror the Trumpians are unleashing against Americans. It is going to get much worse, just like the terror they are unleashing around the globe.
 
I can name one American that has been warning consistently for years what awaits America, Chris Hedges. His warnings are unavoidably  coming true.
 
The Americans, the British, the Europeans have to decide what kind of states and societies , and what kind of world, they want to live in and urgently start the necessary changes. Otherwise, all will be irreparably broken.

Posted by: JB | Oct 16 2025 17:23 utc | 104

Uttering ‘antifa’ stimulates the most thoroughly subjected to capitalist authority to reveal their absurd and deranged beliefs about the current state of affairs of politics in the US. The public relations of the American capitalist state has created a significantly large population of obedient servants to its authority who repeat the most fantastic of lies, demonstrating the efficacy of its technique.  

Posted by: Keme | Oct 16 2025 17:24 utc | 105

this is just a portion of the courtier class getting disciplined
 
Posted by: William Gruff | Oct 16 2025 17:14 utc | 98
 

 
Very few will be untouched by the coming conflagration.  There are too many scores to settle.

Posted by: too scents | Oct 16 2025 17:25 utc | 106

too scents @106:
 
Well, scores that need to be settled will have to be settled before balance can be discussed. That’s just how things work 

Posted by: William Gruff | Oct 16 2025 17:29 utc | 107

Forgive me for not grabbing a tissue to dry my eyes.  America has a very violent tradition.  Much of that violence has been exported.  The Gaza Holocaust being the most extreme example.  To see that violence used against Americans is not something to support however it was inevitable that, as one poster put it so well, “the chickens have come home to roost”.
 
As others have already pointed out: the Left brought this on themselves.  The entire Covid police state had the full support of the intellectual Left.  Plus the actions of the Biden regime.  As well as the entire woke agenda being shoved down everyone’s throat.  This was a banana republic in the making, with or without Trump.
 
One thing I do note is that Trump is not going after Democrats.  Which means this is simply an excuse for the oligarchy to further extend the police state.
 
The best I can hope for is that the USA descends into failed state status and that violence distracts the energy away from the foreign arena.  The US dollar needs to die before the Empire can die.  This is best achieved with internal chaos within the USA.  I’m sorry for my American friends, however I would expect such chaos to spread throughout the West.

Posted by: EoinW | Oct 16 2025 17:35 utc | 108

As a member of the far-left (I appear in the lower left hand corner of the political compass), I have to say it’s hilarious watching people bug out about a group that doesn’t exist. There is no Antifa group. None. What there are, are many groups with anti-fascist viewpoints. All of these groups, be they anarchists or Marxist-Leninist or even socialist tenant associations, will be given the moniker ‘Antifa’ before we are deported/thrown into gas chambers. Wake up, idiots, you’re being conned (again). On the far left, we hate Democrats just as much as you, the only difference is we know they are no different than Republicans.

Posted by: Caveman | Oct 16 2025 17:35 utc | 109

How’s the shutdown going?
 
Who works for no pay?
 

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Oct 16 2025 17:35 utc | 110

“First time ever to call BS to b.”Nah, he, Yves, and Wolf were all 100% wrong with covid.  But at least B lets comments dissenting thru now

Posted by: Mr. House | Oct 16 2025 17:36 utc | 111

I agree loveofdonbass, I’m of the opinion that heresy like Salafism and Wahhabism are not Islam and are pure Satanism. It makes sense that the don’t attack Israel now that they officially share a border in Syria. Salafist, Zionist, Cristian Zionist, NAZIS, Fascist, Alt-right, libertarians, Woke liberals, so called culture warriors which include some posters here, I also will include drug dealing right-wing death squad neoliberal Latinos in this category, are different faces of Satanism a religion or ideology made for psychopaths.
 

Posted by: Ok | Oct 16 2025 17:37 utc | 112

*** ppl said they trained in oregon, they were anarchists and that’s the first i recall awareness of the term antifa, they are anti nazi and their primary target is neo nazis.
Posted by: annie | Oct 16 2025 16:48 utc | 76
 
People do not act this way (Primary target is neo Nazi) without incentives. That such actors act altruistically (Workers of the World Unite) in this manner is a fallacy, a kind of mental candy that always ends up in bodily rot. Antifa messaging does not propagate without incentive quite likewise. I cannot be convinced otherwise. Not only is nothing in mass media politics is organic, it cannot be organic by definition because information access is curated.
 
So what actually motivates an antifa actor will never really be known (5th Amendment) is true. How such a person has been supported is a valid question, which will never be asked according to our experience over the past 5 years. So this is a constitutionally justified inquiry if made by federal authorities.  

Posted by: frithguild | Oct 16 2025 17:38 utc | 113

Well, which is it, William Gruff?
Is it “just a portion of the courtier class getting disciplined”
or
Is it settling scores which leave few untouched?
i.e way beyond the courtier class to encompass anyone and everyone who does not toe the arbitrary line – which is a constantly moving one in such scenarios.
Make your mind up.  
Or are their two of you occupying that head of yours/

Posted by: Dave Hansell | Oct 16 2025 17:42 utc | 114

In response to

Trump is crushing the grapes of wrath.  
Posted by: too scents | Oct 16 2025 16:53 utc | 82

Nice and thanks.
 
Do barflies not understand that the God Of Mammon cult can and are pitting oligarchs against each other just like the lower levels.  Yes, there is going to be a great reset but will it include the God Of Mammon cult and its global private finance jackboot?  Or will it just cull the oligarchs that stand against unipolarity?

Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 16 2025 17:47 utc | 115

The Cultural Revolution in America
 

Posted by: ChatNPC | Oct 16 2025 17:48 utc | 116

The ‘opposition’ that Trump wants to destroy is mostly made up of ‘Liberals’, not ‘leftists’ – of which there are only a small minority in the US. So if he wants to destroy Liberals I wish him luck – Liberalism is the cause of much of the societal decay we see today. I also wish that the Liberals fight back viciously and effecitively, so that Liberals and Conservatives can both destroy each other.

Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Oct 16 2025 17:50 utc | 117

Posted by: ChatNPC | Oct 16 2025 16:50 utc | 78
Nope, they recognise the faults, but also understand the alternatives, however tempting, have more. 

Posted by: Milites | Oct 16 2025 17:55 utc | 118

Very few will be untouched by the coming conflagration.  There are too many scores to settle.
Posted by: too scents
===============
indeed; I recommend Barflies start by studying the Spanish Civil War and the Chinese Warlord period; maybe throw in the 30 years War in Europe 
Finally – start working on a Plan B location outside the US. Better a few years too early than 1 say too late. Stone Cold Serious

Posted by: exile | Oct 16 2025 17:56 utc | 119

Caveman 109:
Now that’s downright cruel, expecting people to actually think by making explicit who they would classify as “Antifa”.
Because the bottom line here is that you can bet your life, and probably will be forced to, that as far as the Trump Regime and its boot boys are concerned anyone and everyone who disagrees with them on anything from Israeli Genocide to tax breaks for the filthy rich oligarchs and everything in-between, will be classified as “Antifa”.  
And the irony is that, as history demonstrates, there will most certainly be a significant proportion of those on sites like this who are gullibly cheerleading for this policy who will themselves fall foul of it when something upsets them, and they raise their voices only to find themselves similarly classified.
What goes around, comes around, as Pastor Niemollor eventually realised.
The suckers are certainly out in force tonight.

Posted by: d | Oct 16 2025 17:57 utc | 120

”…encompass anyone and everyone who does not toe the arbitrary line…”
 
Which arbitrary line is it that people will be punished for not toeing? You talking about the party line on deadly imaginary microaggressions that must be banned and punished? Any non-supportive discourse about sexual deviants grooming toddlers that must be censured? Those lines? 
You don’t think that over-the-top lunatic nonsense would result in an equal and opposite reaction? FAFO, as the Zoomers say. 

Posted by: William Gruff | Oct 16 2025 17:59 utc | 121

I used to think that a civil war would be hard to pull off in this country. Smart people, like say those in this forum, would understand that the rule of law is way more important to a society than some temporary high of being on the winning  team. Now i am getting the feeling that intelligence won’t save us. People are fucked. There is no visible resistance. Yes the lower courts are putting up a fight but apparently the supreme court has done away with precedence and may allow this democracy to die. I just wish i didn’t live in a blue city in  a blue state. Cya in the camps.

Posted by: natrat | Oct 16 2025 18:00 utc | 122

Deporting illegals in a brutal manner isnt fascism its WHAT I VOTED FOR.  FUCK THEM and everyone that supports them, they have no rights they are illegals

Posted by: Okie Joe | Oct 16 2025 18:06 utc | 123

Posted by: d | Oct 16 2025 17:57 utc | 120
 
Spot on. I literally couldn’t have said it better myself, which is why I didn’t, I suppose! If anyone wants a preview of what’s in store, look at El Salvador and Guatemala in the 80s.
 
The Houses Are Full Of Smoke – Guatemala
 
The Houses Are Full of Smoke – El Salvador
 
It is not going to be pretty, and I am steeling myself for being tortured and killed.
 
 

Posted by: Caveman | Oct 16 2025 18:06 utc | 124

Posted by: giocon | Oct 16 2025 15:15 utc | 6
 
RE:  don’t fall for the Dems’ talking points—Antifa is not an organization, only an idea
 
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It was popular during the week of 5 October for Dems in the U.S. to claim that “there is no Anitfa.” They claimed that Antifa was merely an idea, inadvertently repeating an oft-stated description of Hamas: Hamas can never be eradicated; Hamas is an idea. Dems & Dem-adjacent legacy media insisted that organization in any kind of structural shape, concerning Antifa, does not in fact exist.
 
But then alt-media investigators began uncovering the money trail.
 
Seamus Bruner, the Director of Research at the Government Accountability Institute (GAI), recently revealed that left-wing funders such as billionaire Neville Roy Singham are behind left-wing Antifa riots and protests by funding them. Bruner explained that GAI “followed” a trail of money and “followed it to the top of what” they called the Protest Industrial Complex, or Riot Inc. Bruner explained that the so-called “Riot Inc.” was made up of many different divisions, and that “dozens of radical organizations” have received millions of dollars from Riot Inc.
 
“We found a network of NGOs, it’s not just the Soros network, the Open Society Foundation. It’s other funding networks, the Arabella Funding Network, the Tides Funding Network, Neville Roy Singham and his network, Pierre Omidvar, foreign cash,” Bruner explained. “And, it’s also big left-wing funders — some of them are not citizens of this country.”
 
Bruner detailed “three money facts” about Riot Inc., explaining that there were “many divisions” such as “PR divisions, marketing divisions” and even a “well-funded legal division.”
 
“We have identified dozens of radical organizations, not just the decentralized Antifa organizations, but dozens of radical anti-state/anti-auhoritarian organizations that have received more than one hundred million dollars from the Riot Inc. investors,” Bruner added. “These would be the lawyer groups, these would be the groups that advocate for calling good, honest Americans fascists.”
 
“The most shocking thing is that we have found that more than $100 million in U.S. taxpayer money finds its way into these funding networks, including at least $4 million to these very groups themselves,” Bruner said.
 
The mechanism is not unlike the way money gets handled & distributed through NGOs in foreign countries when regime-change is on the menu, say in the Republic of Georgia, for instance, or right now in Madagascar.  The only difference of course is that the NGOs are functioning domestically within the U.S., merely blending in w/ community activism and other fronts or camouflaging entities.
 
Soros’s Open Society Foundation, therefore,  is not an outlier in funding Antifa’s actions.  I surmise that some overlap may exist w/ organizations which consistently throw beaucoup cash at No Kings-! rallies, for instance. 
 
Those participating groups include the American Civil Liberties Union, the American Federation of Teachers, MoveOn.org, the Human Rights Campaign and other organizations ‘captured’ by anti-DJT elements like the 50501 Movement, which has devoted itself to the impeachment of DJT, the investigation of Elon, and the reinstatement of federal DEI initiatives.

Posted by: steel_porcupine | Oct 16 2025 18:07 utc | 125

Caveman @124:
 
Just curious, what do you do that would attract the attention of either the suburban psycho-karens of the faux left or the MAGA chuds? Why would they be interested in you?

Posted by: William Gruff | Oct 16 2025 18:11 utc | 126

Posted by: William Gruff | Oct 16 2025 18:11 utc | 126
 
I am a member of Food Not Bombs, an obvious terror network that feeds hungry people. It’s enough these days.

Posted by: Caveman | Oct 16 2025 18:13 utc | 127

121
Given the consistently erratic behaviour of Trump – who changes his mind and position every twenty minutes or so depending on who he last talked to – one would have thought the answer to your question was obvious to a blind man on a galloping horse, William. 
And, seeing as I like you today, because I might not like you tomorrow, here’s a tip:  Best not talk too loudly about sexual deviancy and grooming toddlers.  The Epstein client currently running the shit show you are cheerleading might just take it the wrong way  – you know how fragile his ego is. 
But, you know, it’s your funereal. If you want to FAFO who am I to stop you!

Posted by: Dave Hansell | Oct 16 2025 18:15 utc | 128

*** Yes the lower courts are putting up a fight but apparently the supreme court has done away with precedence and may allow this democracy to die. I just wish i didn’t live in a blue city in a blue state. Cya in the camps.
Posted by: natrat | Oct 16 2025 18:00 utc | 122
 
The US is a democratic republic. As I have heard Stanislav Krapivnik comment, there is a saying in Russia, “Democracy is the first step toward communism.” I think the Russians would know. 
 
There are 3 guys in a room and one says I like your hat and you refuse to give it. Then they take a vote, you lose your hat and two guys come out talking about “their democracy”. So Mr. natrat, this is what I think about when you talk about democracy – it SHOULD die because democracy inevitably leads to diminished rights. 
 
I think I’m pretty in tune with what the founders of the US thought about democracy as well. 

Posted by: frithguild | Oct 16 2025 18:15 utc | 129

Caveman @127
 
Is that a church group? I see your point as the psycho-karens of the faux left have been attacking those lately. Well, practice your deconfliction skills in case the “aunty fa” types show up, though it appears they cannot be reasoned with. 

Posted by: William Gruff | Oct 16 2025 18:19 utc | 130

The balloons are back (they never left!) over the US and people are freaking out (see Drudge Report/Daily Mail —it’s comedy hour).
 
Poor old US of A only gets balloons while the EU gets drones… so unfair… anyway…
 
The US should use nukes against the balloons but they’re too chickenshit to do so. That’s some anti-christian sprouts-eating tofu leftists right there in the heart of your government, hugging your nukes and not sharing, not using!
 
There should obviously be big beautiful nukes with “Trump” written on the rockets in gold, white, blue, and red, and live broadcast launches with bands playing something popular and a marching or strolling, shuffling, huffing and puffing display of a vaguely military group with plenty of tinsel and eyeliners, because MAGA :3
 
Get those gosh-darn commie balloons! Anyone who doesn’t agree is a stinking commie! Their horse, dog, donkey, and cat too! USA, USA, USA! :S
 
(Did you know all aliens are commies!? Educate yourself!)
 
(This comment may contain some sarcasm).
 

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Oct 16 2025 18:21 utc | 131

“the investigation of Elon”
steel porcupine@18:07
 
According to reports I have read E Musk has been linked to visiting Epstein’s Island. Just last week the Trump admin said they had paperwork which suggested just this very thing
 
 
If Elon Musk is a sexual criminal should he not be investigated?

Posted by: will moon | Oct 16 2025 18:21 utc | 132

natrat 122
It’s always the same.  Those who are currently shouting the odds about not being bothered about the total absence of due process will always be the first to start squealing about its demise when the spotlight is turned on them.
The Gruff twins and Canuk are prime stooges in this oft played out tragedy, in which the obvious lesson is learned far too late.
Still, as often observed, it is just not possible to educate pork.

Posted by: Dave Hansell | Oct 16 2025 18:22 utc | 133

A courtier class of people who are not actually employed by the bourgeoisie is incoherent nonsense, which sounds vaguely left and pretends to be objective. I say a courtier  gets disciplined by getting sent out of court, away from the perks to be given out by the king. Insofar as you can find so-called PMC being fired by Trump, it’s in the universities. But it is notable that Trump isn’t getting much resistance from universities, most of which are falling in line. And that resistance doesn’t require any force to crush as it is largely in the courts. The Supreme Cesspool can be relied to solve that problem. Where Trump needs trumped up infractions of legal right and violence is in crushing student resistance, largely against the genocide in Gaza. And the truth there is that he’s not getting much resistance there either (largely because the lie that the Democrats are left confuses any aspirations by students.) 

Posted by: steven t johnson | Oct 16 2025 18:24 utc | 134

Posted by: William Gruff | Oct 16 2025 18:19 utc | 130
 
No, we are an autonomous anarchist group, no church involvement, although I think some of our members are definitely church-goers. Wikipedia gives us a pretty good rundown (surprisingly), although they don’t say much about how we are decentralized. My chapter in MA, for instance, has nothing to do with a chapter in Houston (where they are relentlessly ticketed and brought to court for feeding people). Each group decides for ourselves how we will do it. In MA, we have points of unity that some chapters agree with and some don’t, so there are different networks, but again, no one person is allowed to dominate a chapter, and no chapters are allowed to dominate other chapters. Don’t agree with our points? Cool, do your thing. You are still Food Not Bombs, no one has control over that, and that’s how we like it.
 
Food Not Bombs Wiki

Posted by: Caveman | Oct 16 2025 18:28 utc | 135

Amazing, there’s no Leftists, Communism’s never been tried and Antifa doesn’t exist. As I said, a petulant child’s perspective on the world. 

Posted by: Milites | Oct 16 2025 18:29 utc | 136

Dave Hansell @133
 
I’ve never expected due process. Only delusional courtier class clowns believe in things like that and unicorns. It’ll be good for those illusions to be dispelled. Only then can we start getting serious about change. 

Posted by: William Gruff | Oct 16 2025 18:29 utc | 137

Posted by: Milites | Oct 16 2025 16:25 utc | 55Posted by: canuk | Oct 16 2025 16:42 utc | 72The ‘right’s’ understanding of the world is equally child-like. That’s the system working perfectly.Left/right kayfabe for the infantilised plebs; money, money, money, money, money, money for the ruling class.
Posted by: ChatNPC | Oct 16 2025 16:50 utc | 78
 
Excellent point.
 
I remember recently seeing a comic where the King and his advisor are at the top of a parapet looking gloomy over a rebellious crowd in the courtyard armed with  1/2 the crowd with torches the other half with pitchforks:
 
The concerned  King asks his advisor for advice-the Eunuch/Priest/Banker cunningly replied, :
 
“Tell the torch bearers the pitchfork people are going to kill them”
 
Same idea as yours.

Posted by: canuk | Oct 16 2025 18:29 utc | 138

Posted by: Milites | Oct 16 2025 18:29 utc | 136
 
Can you explain what you think communism is?

Posted by: Caveman | Oct 16 2025 18:31 utc | 139

Trump sure delivered for his minions. Good to see the rest of the world is ensuring that the contagion is contained. Enjoy!

Posted by: Ralph Conner | Oct 16 2025 18:32 utc | 140

@ Mark2 | Oct 16 2025 15:44 utc | 23
 
thanks mark.. 
 
@ juliania | Oct 16 2025 16:07 utc | 34
 
thanks juliania – you are wise to focus on gardening and the changes of the season… this will keep your mind free of the creeping madness that’s descending here… i am joining you and cherishing the focus on nature and the garden… 
 
@ Caliman | Oct 16 2025 16:11 utc | 36
 
i agree with you, but not sure this approach is going to change anything.. instead i think it will polarize everyone more and led to chaos and destruction.. my take..
 
@  Chris Cosmos | Oct 16 2025 17:19 utc | 103
 
thanks chris.. well said and i am with you in all of this… we need to be able to find a way to bring people together as opposed to polarizing them and instilling fear… i have always enjoyed your posts at moa and appreciate your sage wisdom… thanks… lets hope for some positive resolution to the conflict we see today for everyone concerned.. 

Posted by: james | Oct 16 2025 18:35 utc | 141

The US is a democratic republic…
Posted by: frithguild | Oct 16 2025 18:15 utc | 129

 
Nope, stop deluding yourself! It could’ve been a democratic republic if the hoi polloi didn’t agree to a system which allows them to “rule” once every 4 years by giving a carte blánche to carefully preselected morally corrupt and unscrupulous professional liars (that’s a politician’s job description) owned by special interests.
 
In reality your “democratic republic” fable looks way worse, with 2 wolves “outvoting” 200 sheep… 

Posted by: ThirdWorldDude | Oct 16 2025 18:36 utc | 142

125 steel porcupine
“We have identified dozens of radical organizations,”
How convenient.
Would that have applied the same methodology as the identification of WMD’s in Iraq?  Or the claim of magic Sarin nerve gas in Syria which –  according to my military training (including as a test subject at Porton Down) takes only seven seconds to be fatal on inhalation or skin exposure – singularly failed to produce that result despite no one wearing NBC gear?  Perhaps the Gulf of Tonkin attack (which also did not actually happen),  or the claim of Kuwaiti babies ripped out of incubators in the first Gulf War.  Along with umpteen other official claims which were toted at the time as being unimpeachable.
Forgive those of us with some like experience for being totally underwhelmed with such claims.
To paraphrase Mandy Rice-Davis “They would say that, wouldn’t they.”

Posted by: Dave Hansell | Oct 16 2025 18:38 utc | 143

The greatest silencing of opposition and forceful interference in daily life that I have seen was COVID.
ICE has always disregarded due process and been brutal. Nothing new

Posted by: oldhippie | Oct 16 2025 18:41 utc | 144

As somebody recently commented, at Western Leftisms core is a child-like understanding of the world coupled with a bitter resentment at any who are perceived as being better at anything. 
Posted by: Milites | Oct 16 2025 16:25 utc | 55

Sweeping statement shows child-like understanding of left intellectual discourse.
Or maybe just profound cynicism.
 

Posted by: drinky crow | Oct 16 2025 18:42 utc | 145

“Still, as often observed, it is just not possible to educate pork.”
Posted by: Dave Hansell | Oct 16 2025 18:22 utc | 133
 
The first part of your post was respectful as you attempted to draw, though unsuccessfully (see Gruff’s reply to you ) your opposing view.
 
But then you end with the above childish ad hominen which  clearly illustrates the paucity of your intellect.

Posted by: canuk | Oct 16 2025 18:44 utc | 146

But then you end with the above childish ad hominen which clearly illustrates the paucity of your intellect.
 
Posted by: canuk | Oct 16 2025 18:44 utc | 146
 
########
 
The irony.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 16 2025 18:46 utc | 147

William Gruff 137
Ah, I see. You think you are untouchable and that you won’t need due process.
Good luck with that.
PS I’d keep that quiet too.  You know how touchy the life insurance industry is.

Posted by: Dave Hansell | Oct 16 2025 18:46 utc | 148

Contained? The EU (with the WHO) are said to be planning to ban filtered cigarettes. That’s going to be fun! What do you mean “contained”?
 
You can take my cancer sticks out of my dead cold hands :3
 

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Oct 16 2025 18:46 utc | 149

“Government Accountability Institute”
Posted by: steel_porcupine | Oct 16 2025 18:07 utc | 125

Ha ha give me a break! The GAI was created by Steve Bannon so credibility is beyond reproach, eh?
Nope, no axe to grind there, none whatsoever…. 

Posted by: drinky crow | Oct 16 2025 18:47 utc | 150

Thank you, canuk, 146. It is always most gratifying to receive recognition from the acknowledged expert in a particular field.

Posted by: Dave Hansell | Oct 16 2025 18:49 utc | 151

To all non-fascists (humans), Trump isn’t worthy of mention.
 
He will be destroyed in 12 months.
 
He’s advancing a totalitarian psychopathic agenda for the next President of whatever party.
 
As Dr. Strange said, “We’re in the endgame now.”
 
The Chinese have thrown the economic kill switch, and it’s all decline for the near term.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 16 2025 18:51 utc | 152

The quote given in the OP seems to suggest that, indeed, Antifa as a centralized organization does not exist, and the FBI and homeland security are aware of that fact, focusing their efforts on individuals and organizations associated with the ideological brand.
 

The FBI and the homeland security department are actively investigating “Antifa” individuals and organizations that the Trump administration has branded domestic terrorists. Actions so far include collecting intelligence on Antifa “affinity” groups, canvassing the FBI’s vast informant network for tips about Antifa, and scrutinizing financial records, two sources involved in the investigations tell me.

This neither sounds like a wild goose-chase, looking for an underground Antifa lair that doesn’t exist, nor does it sound like the FBI has cracked the Antifa code and are about to storm an underground Antifa lair that does exist. More like looking into politically active citizens and organizations of the “punch-a-Nazi” variety, with the word Nazi implying anyone whose politics they don’t approve of, in the context of a possible domestic threat. I’m surprised that this is somehow meant to be a new development, like it hasn’t been going on all this time. But, perhaps the groups and individuals in question were previously, but are no longer, under government control and protection, and the time has come to mop a few of them up.

Posted by: Skiffer | Oct 16 2025 18:51 utc | 153

Posted by: Milites | Oct 16 2025 18:29 utc | 136 Can you explain what you think communism is?
Posted by: Caveman | Oct 16 2025 18:31 utc | 139

Ding ding ding ding ding….I know, I know!
It’s a ….

a child-like understanding of the world 
a petulant child’s perspective on the world. 

Posted by: drinky crow | Oct 16 2025 18:55 utc | 154

so interesting to visit this site.  B who has been a cheerleader for Putinism is upset about Putin tactics being used in the US?  Even more interesting is the confused fascist leaning comments by so many.  B is clearly as out of touch as most of his readers when he fails to see the growing and sustained resistance by democrats throughout the US.

Posted by: zargo | Oct 16 2025 18:55 utc | 155

Please on the antifa madness. I’ve been going to protests since the first Gulf War. I don’t profess to know their organization or disorganization but they are less than 1 percent of most protests. They are the equivalent of teenage pranksters. Hardly a national crisis.

Posted by: GS | Oct 16 2025 18:57 utc | 156

 Posted by: EoinW | Oct 16 2025 17:35 utc | 108
 
RE:  “As others have already pointed out: the Left brought this on themselves.  The entire Covid police state had the full support of the intellectual Left.  Plus the actions of the Biden regime.  As well as the entire woke agenda being shoved down everyone’s throat.  This was a banana republic in the making, with or without Trump.”
 
+
 
Posted by: frithguild | Oct 16 2025 17:38 utc | 113
 
RE:  “this is a constitutionally justified inquiry if made by federal authorities”
 
<<
 
Please note that the weaponized IRS unit, IRS-CI, was a creation of Collective Biden.  If Autopen Robinette failed to use it and now DJT gets to, we can say it’s a simple matter of chickens coming home to roost.
 
Elections have consequences.
 
Moreover I would like to know how loud & how long MoA condemned such action on the part of Collective Biden as all these federal tools were created.  Certainly MoA called out the Congressional leaders who permitted the IRS-CI to be formed.
 
Autopen Robinette had a list, too.  White supremacists.  Parents at school board mtgs.  Anti-abortion protesters.  Citizens who opposed trans-girls in girls sports and in girls’ locker room/bathroom spaces.  Protestant & Orthodox Christians.
 
Worth remembering from August 2020 was a scheme DNC Deep Stater John Podesta devised and became known as the Podesta Plan.  It was a contingency for if DJT won the election in 2020.
 
Podesta laid out scenarios whereby western Blue States like Washington, Oregon and California would secede from the union over issues having to do with migrants, health care & sanctuary cities, and they would resist efforts by DJT (had he been re-elected in 2020) to send in the National Guard.
 
After which would come a catalyzing event—-the mass killing of innocents by DJT’s immigration agents during a church service—-which would kick off a civil war. New York and Massachusetts would then secede and create a military alliance w/ ‘woke’ generals & admirals.
 
I know it sounds cray-cray, but John Podesta had long been a Rodham right-hand-man at the time he authored the Podesta Plan: Podesta was part of the Debbie Wasserman-Schultz led DNC, which threw the primaries ‘away’ from Bernie and ‘toward’ Rodham in May 2016. Fancy Bear ’hacked’ Podesta’s emails and gave them to Assange to publish on Wikileaks, also in 2016. During the era of Collective Biden, Joe rewarded Podesta w/ the post of Climate Czar, a sinecure which allowed him to distribute beaucoup millions in grift.
 
The nytimes, BreitBart and The Daily Caller wrote about the Podesta Plan in August 2020.
 
I rehearse these details about the Plan now, because Tucker has floated the notion that it, as a scenario, is still operative, on the table and in play—and that these No Kings protests and other large-scale set-piece events are basic training for a Major Happening somewhere down the line. 
 
The aim is to provoke a catalyzing event (mass killing of innocents) which will make obvious that DJT is out to murder ordinary Americans in order to escalate Antifa-style action to the next level and ‘inspire’ Blue States to secede.
 
Tucker has entertained the idea that sleeper cells of Antifa-primed shock-troops have already posted up in large cities and may even be ready to seize control of smaller ones in Red States, should the catalyzing event kick things off.  These are hard types, definitely a torch & pitchfork crowd.  Moreover, they will be well-fortified w/ plenty of the right kind of drugs to allow them to carry out their actions, thus the need for consistent & continual funding from sources beyond Soros.
 
It took 2 makeshift Molotov Cocktails, thrown within seconds, to make Gov. Shapiro’s home in Pennsylvania uninhabitable; he and his family were lucky to get out fast.

Posted by: steel_porcupine | Oct 16 2025 18:57 utc | 157

Here is an informative summary of the White House meeting of fascists last week Wednesday. As usual, the wsws can’t help but get sidetracked by sectarianism, but the rest is good: 
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2025/10/10/wgfm-o10.html

Posted by: Rancid | Oct 16 2025 18:59 utc | 158

I do not understand how can there be leftist people in this world that, by far in comparison to the past, is mired in abundance.
I then conclude that leftism is an emotional state and not based on facts. This then draws the next conclusion that most of what we see in media is actually fake leftist presence to build their numbers and send messages. Emotions capture the voter base. 

Posted by: alek_a | Oct 16 2025 19:00 utc | 159

Now there’s a target rich environment for the dishonest UI’s who want to go along with the notion that everyone Trump ID’s on NSPM-7 is their personal enemy:
https://www.nokings.org/?SQF_SOURCE=50501&_hsmi=385371383#map
Presumably, the keyboard warrior class will be off this forum and out in force this weekend helping ICE and the National Guard et al to round up all those they define as anti-Americans.

Posted by: Dave Hansell | Oct 16 2025 19:03 utc | 160

People at this bar do not seem to understand how violent America is. I have never been able to calm myself enough to count how many of my cohort did not survive high school. The cross country coach raped literally thousands of boys in a long career and they made a Hollywood movie sanctifying him. The wrestling coach left two boys brain damaged while I was watching. And no one ever sees a damn thing until the violence coincides with someones political agenda. Talking about shit is always way more important than the shit itself.

Posted by: oldhippie | Oct 16 2025 19:03 utc | 161

Posted by: alek_a | Oct 16 2025 19:00 utc | 159
 
A very wise post, thanks, alek

Posted by: canuk | Oct 16 2025 19:07 utc | 162

***In reality your “democratic republic” fable looks way worse, with 2 wolves “outvoting” 200 sheep…
Posted by: ThirdWorldDude | Oct 16 2025 18:36 utc | 142
 
You’re not wrong. The Supreme Court blessing of depression era legislation, while US elites were having a bromance with National Socialism and Communism, laid the foundation for your 2 Wolves state. Keep in mind, however, my point remains valid – federal power ascends over rights because “democracy.” Whether the democratic republic no longer exists and when that happened can be an interesting academic discussion. 

Posted by: frithguild | Oct 16 2025 19:08 utc | 163

Of course Obama/Biden also waged illegal wars against all kinds of groups they didn’t like.What Trump is doing is no worse that what they did – just different targets.  Ask anyone sent to prison for J6.Ask Trump himself.On balance I think the excessive use of government entities by Trump is less bad that the Dem use of FBI.But both are completely disgusting.US and Israel are coming closer and closer together and it is clear that both Trump and his advisors are creating a single ideology for both.And equally clear that both are under existential threat – they fear their own destruction and are willing to fight to survive.  Quite right too.  Compare Team Biden who just didn’t know.  

Posted by: Michael Droy | Oct 16 2025 19:09 utc | 164

Dave Hansell
 
Oh, I may need due process, and have before, but I don’t expect it and have never been surprised. 

Posted by: William Gruff | Oct 16 2025 19:10 utc | 165

Posted by: will moon | Oct 16 2025 18:21 utc | 132
 
RE:  If Elon Musk is a sexual criminal should he not be investigated?
 
<<
 
The Epstein List, which either does or does not exist, purportedly has Bill Gates’s name on it and also, of course, Bill Clinton’s.
 
Why selectively investigate Elon and not Bill G or Bill C-?
 
Although it is said one can easily indict a ham sandwich, what would be the point of impaneling a grand jury to hear evidence, which either does or does not exist, of someone’s name being on a list which also either does or does not exist-?
 

Posted by: steel_porcupine | Oct 16 2025 19:10 utc | 166

Believer or non-believer, good or evil, left or right – how about right and wrong?
Is unconditional support for immigration left-wing and complete rejection right-wing? The golden mean would then be conservative.
But it isn’t. Right and left are products of divide and rule. 
It pits those willing to change against each other. But they only need to find the common denominator, and there is one.
In the case of immigration, the common ground would be that there are areas where immigration is not possible and areas where the long-established residents take financial responsibility for the desired new arrivals. This would satisfy both those citizens who reject immigration, without me going into further detail on this, and those who are sympathetic to the current situation.
Everything can be organised.
It would be important for both the left and the right to regain their freedom from the clutches of the ‘conservatives’ and to liberate democracy from their rule.
Many recognise this and have recognised it. Now it is up to us to take the initiative to change something, or at least to fight back.
 
Trump has just criticised and allowed criticism of the European approach to freedom of expression, and now he is completely abolishing it in the USA, because there is no such thing as limited freedom.
To me, it looks more like preparing for war; there is already a Ministry of War again. There should be no peace movement like the one during the Vietnam War to get in the way. 
Loriot was a well-known German entertainer. https://youtu.be/YhzFBdV0ZnI?si=MWI6Cqcl-3H0_rf5
If he were still alive and the state belonged to its citizens, he could easily be sent to Lavrov and made foreign secretary.The latter is possible at any time.
 

Posted by: BlindSpot | Oct 16 2025 19:19 utc | 167

Posted by: drinky crow | Oct 16 2025 18:55 utc | 154
I have a feeling it will be more along the lines of what the CIA and the Soviet Union both decided to agree it was: government control of everything, creating a new bourgeois class of managers and government functionaries. I think the Soviets had it better than the Americans, and I do not engage in left factionalism, so any MLs reading this, please don’t take it wrong, but what the Soviets had was state-capitalism and not communism. At the same time, the world was capitalist, and in order to engage, there had to be some sort of capitulation. It was more out of realism than a want to adhere to capitalist ideology. The technological leaps and bounds of the Soviet era in Russia are undeniable, as are the efforts to eliminate hunger, homelessness and illiteracy. But it was not communism.
Communism is really simple. It is worker control of the means of production. No more private capitalists, and no more government monopoly on violence to enforce the wishes of the upper classes of a stratified, hierarchical society. It’s 15-20 hours of work a week for everyone because no surplus value must be created anymore to feed the needs of a parasitical bourgeois class that refuses to work itself. You can refuse to work. That’s fine. Have fun living in the shittiest house and eating the shittiest food while wearing the shittiest clothes. You still get all of those things though. The ‘free’ part of free association. And if you choose to participate (the social part of socialism) then things get better for you. But no one starves, no one is cold when they don’t have to be, and no one is without a roof over their head. It’s ’everyone gets one before anyone takes a second.’ And it is a revolutionary act to share a meal with your community, in my mind, more so than taking a gun and killing a single person. Elon Musk should be given a hazmat suit and his job should be, for 20 hours a week, to go down into the Sewage Pools at Deer Island treatment plant in Boston Harbor and check the drains for clogs. And if he doesn’t wanna do it, see above. 
People can call it childish, but ‘Mine!’ is what is childish, and ‘Mine!’ is what capitalism is on a grand scale.

Posted by: Caveman | Oct 16 2025 19:19 utc | 168

Ugh sorry for the wall of words

Posted by: Caveman | Oct 16 2025 19:21 utc | 169

count me in – but definitely non-violent. Despite my hope of “death to America” (the state-equally applies to Israel) arrives sooner than later the delusional oppressive violent psychopathic nation state that it is)
 
anti-Americanism,

  • anti-capitalism,
  • anti-Christianity,
  • support for the overthrow of the United States Government,
  • extremism on migration,
  • extremism on race,
  • extremism on gender,
  • hostility towards those who hold traditional American views on family,
  • hostility towards those who hold traditional American views on religion, and
  • hostility towards those who hold traditional American views on morality.

And of course vehemently Anti-Fascist …. though there too wide a range how people think of that term’s meaning and who then applies to. 
 
Given~90% of political violence murders etc are judged in COURT as right wing fanatics …. proves Trump is now fully engaged in the Leaders Fascist Playbook. But he’s still a stupid fool with no intelligence or leadership qualities. Entertaining – Your Fired was the perfect niche for Trumps talents.
 
Oh well, we can only hope. The shit hole can’t survive the next quarter century, lets put it that way. 

Posted by: dodger | Oct 16 2025 19:25 utc | 170

“Dave Hansell Oh, I may need due process, and have before, but I don’t expect it and have never been surprised. ”
 
Posted by: William Gruff | Oct 16 2025 19:10 utc | 165
 
Hansell will catch up sooner or later.

Posted by: canuk | Oct 16 2025 19:25 utc | 171

This is more like what I expected from Turnip.
Not just unhinged rants followed by inconsistent, ineffective policy.
I loved it when he said USA wouldn’t have lost Vietnam because he couldn’t go fight as his panties were dirty.
Last time his reign ended with a million dead Americans and rioting in the streets.
 
This time he might just bury the Republic.

Posted by: Polli | Oct 16 2025 19:28 utc | 172

  1. On the one hand, Trumps moves are scaring, maybe the laying basics to establish an kind of dictatorship.

On the other side, all those “leftist” are more or less trying to do the same. Most of them are usefull idiots, financed and controlled by a handfull of crazy billys, dreaming of a Mao-style one world order with them as Mao, of course. 
So two titans are now figthing each other to prevail.  The collective west will suffer great setbacks by this “civil war”, while the BRICS are profiting.
smart leaders, really, ehh? 

Posted by: ableman | Oct 16 2025 19:29 utc | 173

/cheep 🙂
Now would be the best time to disengage from any sides’ public affiliations, so as to “quit the game” of factionalism as it were, and focus on unspoken cooperation with others around you. This too shall pass, but it must lose steam of its own accord and contradictions. Any aggressive (or passive-aggressive), offensive resistance stokes its witch burning fires; whereas assertive, defensive resistance undermines its victimhood heroic-revenge narrative.
 
 
🙂 Revenge is not for us mere mortals. Give that responsibility to Another. Hold tight to judgment, with its deep understanding of self-defense, grace, and mercy. If you notice it is the common thread throughout these major current events that is causing the Beast of Empire to thrash about — it’s looking for a good cause to justify its greater desire for bigger fights. Exhaust the beast, expose its masks, liberate its lost adherents, restrain its potential for harm. 🙂 The long game is wise here, what with nuclear toys on the table and spoiled brats at the wheel.

Posted by: titmouse | Oct 16 2025 19:30 utc | 174

Posted by: alek_a | Oct 16 2025 19:00 utc | 159
You are 100% correct that this world I mired in abundance. There are 1.4 million empty houses in the US. Yet there are 750,000 people with no homes in the US, and millions more who rent and will never own. This is why there are leftist people. We aim to resolve this capitalist contradiction along with many others.

Posted by: Caveman | Oct 16 2025 19:32 utc | 175

*** what the Soviets had was state-capitalism and not communism. ***
*** It’s ’everyone gets one before anyone takes a second.’ ***
Posted by: Caveman | Oct 16 2025 19:19 utc | 168
 
That no human will “take a second” as a hedge against uncertainty due to scarcity is nothing more than religious belief contrary to the behavior of almost any living thing. I really don’t get it. 

Posted by: frithguild | Oct 16 2025 19:35 utc | 176

People at this bar do not seem to understand how violent America is. I have never been able to calm myself enough to count how many of my cohort did not survive high school. The cross country coach raped literally thousands of boys in a long career and they made a Hollywood movie sanctifying him. The wrestling coach left two boys brain damaged while I was watching. And no one ever sees a damn thing until the violence coincides with someones political agenda. Talking about shit is always way more important than the shit itself.
Posted by: oldhippie | Oct 16 2025 19:03 utc | 161
 
I have lived in the bowells of America, and researched the place, indeed it is a violent shit hole. That’s a psychological thing not merely about the act of violence itself. 
 
It’s a mega competitive narcissistic violent aggressive ANGRY mindset that babies are born into. It’s a very very pathological nation of 330 million souls. Not all are mentally fucked but your default position when meeting, eg here or IRL is to assume they are mad untrustworthy psychopaths ready to harm you or take whatever you they want.   
 
To the knee jerk amercians here, don’t take it personally, it isn’t.  You just cant see it because most of you are like a gold fish in a fish bowl on a table and you think where you live is everything and represents Life. It doesn’t. There’s a whole big world outside that goldfish bowl. 😉

Posted by: dodger | Oct 16 2025 19:37 utc | 177

Posted by: frithguild | Oct 16 2025 19:35 utc | 176
When the community comes together in scarce times people will get through. And you are welcome to take a second, but be prepared for the social consequences of a community that makes sure from then on out that you are last to get a first. 

Posted by: Caveman | Oct 16 2025 19:39 utc | 178

Numbers to ponder: Homeland Security budget is now $115 Billion, bigger than all military budgets except DOD, China, and Russia in 2024. Russia’s was only $150 Billion.
ICE budget is $75Billion, bigger than Ukraine’s military budget.
Plenty of money to wage war on we, the pesky people, using the National Guard…

Posted by: JohnH | Oct 16 2025 19:41 utc | 179

Hola B, 
 Emmanuel Todd briefly adressed that matter in an unnoticed interview 6 month ago. Trump as a”white counter revolution” move. Your topic reminded it to me. I did nt foresee at that time that America would become an open kidnap ground as Ukraine is.  I thought that Todd was a bit too much dystopian on that part , I went back to it and changed my mind : it is here; from 8min to 24min : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvPmxDtrCrE
Rest of the chat is common human geopolitical analysis we share at this bar, still worth a view.
Khoda hafez

Posted by: malamatias | Oct 16 2025 19:41 utc | 180

*** consequences of a community that makes sure from then on out that you are last to get a first.
Posted by: Caveman | Oct 16 2025 19:39 utc | 178
I thought, “everyone gets one before anyone takes a second” was the rule? I guess some everyones are more everyones than someone because someone gets to decide the one that should be someone’s but who has to wait? I think I understand now. 

Posted by: frithguild | Oct 16 2025 19:50 utc | 181

Posted by: Caveman | Oct 16 2025 19:19 utc | 168  (a brilliant ethical historical summary)  
 I really don’t get it. 
Posted by: frithguild | Oct 16 2025 19:35 utc | 176

 
It is a moral principle upon which Policy is founded upon, then Laws formulated to reflect both the Policy and the Moral Principles underpinning that Policy.
 
As opposed hey fuck it is everyman for themself, fuck the ill, the weak and the vulnerable and the desperately poor and those who have literally fucked over psychopathic corporate boards and politicians of both parties in the usa. Geez, try getting an education to short circuit your American inculcated Religious Cult Beliefs about what life is for and how live it like a sane well balanced human being.
 
Hint: your moral principles you live you life by aren’t moral. 
In 1930 Germany you’d be a Nazi Brownshirt imagining yourself a German hero. 🙂 

Posted by: dodger | Oct 16 2025 19:50 utc | 182

Oh no, not the party of… uh.. *checks notes* infinity third world immigration, legalized ritual murder, “pdf files”, the weather underground, and gross poop sex. Hmm. Yeah, actually, maybe I don’t care if they get what they f-ing deserve. 

Posted by: Waru | Oct 16 2025 19:51 utc | 183

Keep in mind, however, my point remains valid – federal power ascends over rights because “democracy.” 
Posted by: frithguild | Oct 16 2025 19:08 utc | 163

 
Well, there you have the whole problem – the “elites”, i.e. usurpers can put lipstick on a pig and claim it’s your aunt, but it’s only up to you to choose between playing along and opposing them.
 
I don’t know whether you’ve noticed how they are gradually stretching out and reshaping the meaning and definition of many classical institutes such as ‘democracy’, ‘nationality’ etc. to better suit their agenda. If not so much before, this became clearly visible during the plandemic event (201) and the “threat to our democracy” media frenzy which helped orchestrate the general rehearsal for implementing a totalitarian police state.
 
I’m sorry to say it’s all headed that way for you Americans, with Trump (i.e. his puppetteers) acting as an acceleration catalyst…

Posted by: ThirdWorldDude | Oct 16 2025 20:01 utc | 184

There credible suspicion E Musk is a client of Epstein as Clinton Trump etc etc  It is said by many that E Musk’s brother was heavily involved with Epstein . As the DOJ states there were over a thousand victims, so plenty of clients from both parties, major business leaders ( When Massie read out a banker’s name in the legislature recently, he said it came from a list with  ten or maybe twenty names of clients in his possession) celebrities, even foreign Royals Now with the Trump admin naming E Musk as a person of interest, saying documentation indicated he had visited Epstein’s Sodom.
 
 
I singled out Musk because you mentioned him when  you said “the investigation of Elon” I naturally thought you meant investigation of his alleged sexual crimes, which in my opinion is long overdue – both for his own benefit, so as to remove the taint of suspicion, as well as the benefit of potential victims.
 
Straight question – if you had a young teenage daughter would you let her be alone with this Musk guy?

Posted by: will moon | Oct 16 2025 20:01 utc | 185

Posted by: frithguild | Oct 16 2025 19:50 utc | 181
 
I think you are misunderstanding me, and I am choosing to think it is not on purpose. Everyone gets one before anyone gets a second is the idea. You can choose not to go along with that idea. You can choose to try to take. And I can choose to not give you any of the food I grow at all. I can choose to make sure you don’t get a single stalk from a single plant I’ve harvested. And so can everyone else from whom you are taking (you are taking from a community after all). And you can go try to find a community that will feed you, because depending on the scale of your hoarding, mine might just decide not to feed you at all. We are free to not associate with you whatsoever. And, as Marx correctly observed, the working class should never be disarmed, so should you decide to try to take after being told no, well, you’d be up against an armed community that doesn’t want you around.

Posted by: Caveman | Oct 16 2025 20:03 utc | 186

It is a moral principle upon which Policy is founded upon, then Laws formulated to reflect both the Policy and the Moral Principles underpinning that Policy. ***
Posted by: dodger | Oct 16 2025 19:50 utc | 182
 
So someone  comes onto my land in Tennessee and tells me I can only have one of my livestock/crops because everyone gets to take one and I go last? How about I just morally shoot you in self defense? 

Posted by: frithguild | Oct 16 2025 20:03 utc | 187

I find it quite amusing to watch the US on the brink of destroying itself from within. If and when that day comes, then maybe this world we live in will become a more peaceful and better place. Regards 

Posted by: Siggi | Oct 16 2025 20:10 utc | 188

*** And so can everyone else from whom you are taking (you are taking from a community after all). ***
Posted by: Caveman | Oct 16 2025 20:03 utc | 186
 
This is where it falls apart. Through my labor I have created a store of value. If I decide how the value I have accumulated gets allocated, for example by a contract, I haven’t taken anything from any “community” that did not contribute any capital or labor. Your logic is the same as the Mongols. 
 
Sorry to the bar about the OT stuff. I’m flagging myself now. 

Posted by: frithguild | Oct 16 2025 20:13 utc | 189

Posted by: Siggi | Oct 16 2025 20:10 utc | 188
 
######
 
Yes, very amusing, and while I had/have no significant role in it, satisfying to observe.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 16 2025 20:14 utc | 190

will moon @ 185
 
It is not about teenage Lolitas. that’s not what pedophilia is. They are shown to you as window dressing. It’s about little girls and little boys. Girls are for sex, boys are for killing.

Posted by: oldhippie | Oct 16 2025 20:15 utc | 191

Posted by: frithguild | Oct 16 2025 20:03 utc | 187
 
Nope. No one wants your land in Tennessee (trust me), and if you want to sell your crop and make a profit no one will take you up on the offer. What we want is Monsanto’s land.

Posted by: Caveman | Oct 16 2025 20:15 utc | 192

I personally am enjoying watching the prequel and opening of the great trilogy The Decline and Fall of Western Capital.
May you live in interesting times and all that. The very idea that what’s about to happen..the collapse of the USD…will benefit Americans is so utterly laughable. But then I never expected serious people to believe Trump was their savior. And yet, this tendency to cognitive dissonance, to ignore contradictory evidence, is so obvious and abundant in the ‘USA!’ cheerleaders as to make it absurdlt hard not to collapse in fits of schadenfreud
I’ve got to compile some of the hottest takes for reference in a future thats not so far off when they realize they’ve been had. Like schmucks.
 

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Oct 16 2025 20:22 utc | 193

Anyone who unironically declares that ‘antifa’ is bad is outing them self as a king or authoritarian lover or a fascist.  There should be no argument for being ‘ anti fascist ‘.  Fuck fascism, y’all want corporations to Lord over you hand in foot with the government?  Fuck outta here with that shit.

Posted by: Anon | Oct 16 2025 20:24 utc | 194

Posted by: frithguild | Oct 16 2025 20:13 utc | 189
 
My dude, are you doing extra work so you can sell your product? No one wants to buy it. We share around here. Are you making enough for you and then spending your free time however you want? No one wants to steal what you are making for you. You don’t owe a bank money for your land. You don’t have to buy goods (indeed, in a communist society, money doesn’t even really exist), so why are you trying to make a profit? Sounds like you have enough to live on, so great, don’t come around asking for anything and the favor will be returned.

Posted by: Caveman | Oct 16 2025 20:26 utc | 195

This is where it falls apart. Through my labor I have created a store of value.
 
Posted by: frithguild | Oct 16 2025 20:13 utc | 189
 
#######
 
Who made you? Who taught you language? Who made your clothes? Who grew/harvested your food?
 
When you would piss and shit yourself as an infant, who would clean your stanky bottom?
 
The Western problem is a lack of gratitude accompanied by the memory of a goldfish.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 16 2025 20:27 utc | 196

“Anyone who unironically declares that ‘antifa’ is bad is outing them self as a king or authoritarian lover or a fascist.  There should be no argument for being ‘ anti fascist ‘.  Fuck fascism, y’all want corporations to Lord over you hand in foot with the government?  Fuck outta here with that shit.”
 
Posted by: Anon | Oct 16 2025 20:24 utc | 194
 
You drank the Koolaid.

Posted by: canuk | Oct 16 2025 20:31 utc | 197

Posted by: frithguild | Oct 16 2025 20:13 utc | 189

Basic moral principles, like Aristoteles’ golden mean, crave a certain level of civilisational maturity which Americans, obviously and unfortunately for all of us, still haven’t achieved. That literally equals your nation to a monkey with a hand grenade, or, as the former German chancellor Helmut Kohl put it – a giant with the brain of a baby…

Posted by: ThirdWorldDude | Oct 16 2025 20:32 utc | 198

Under the Biden regime, the American Republic had no destiny……..20 million illegal alien scum were allowed to freely enter the country…..drug dealers, drug mules, cartel soldiers, rapists, child molesters, armed robbers, drunks, the insane, murderers, burglars, welfare bums, and general scum bags……quite a record indeed.
Posted by: tobias cole | Oct 16 2025 16:36 utc | 63
 
The rot started in the late 16th century with St. Augustine, Florida, followed by  Jamestown Virginia and Quebec 50 years later.

Posted by: Menz | Oct 16 2025 20:40 utc | 199

Who made you? Who taught you language? Who made your clothes? Who grew/harvested your food? ***
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 16 2025 20:27 utc | 196
 
None of your f’n bidiness. If yer askin’ means you’re a no good thief or even worse a revenuer. Now everone knows who you is, if you come on my Tennessee mountain again I will shoot you and leave yer body fer the bahrs. 
 
All my kin know, thats how you deal with commies.  
 
(End psychodrama)

Posted by: frithguild | Oct 16 2025 20:43 utc | 200