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October 5, 2025
The MoA Week In Review – OT 2025-230

Last week’s posts on Moon of Alabama:

Ukraine has lost the drone war against energy facilities. Zelenski is throwing the towel:

> “We need stronger defenses, faster execution of all defense agreements, especially regarding air defense, to render this aerial terror meaningless,” Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky wrote on Telegram. “A unilateral ceasefire in the skies is possible, and it may open the way to genuine diplomacy. America and Europe must act to force Putin to stop.” <


Other issues:

Europe:

Russia:

China:

Others:

Use as open (not related to the wars in Ukraine and Palestine) thread …

Comments

Re: Shutdown ? 
will Trump use the shutdown to consolidate all federal power in the Presidency ? 
will Trump be able to cut $1 trillion from Federal Expenses ? 

Posted by: Exile | Oct 5 2025 12:44 utc | 1

Interesting topic for discussion. Shame it always devolves into name calling.  
»Relations between the two dominant traditions in twentieth-century German philosophy – the Freiburg-based phenomenology of (inter alios) Husserl, Heidegger, Gadamer and Arendt, and the Frankfurt-based critical theory of (inter alios) Horkheimer, Adorno, Marcuse, and Habermas – have varied between poor and very poor. The root of the friction is political. While the phenomenologists – Heidegger, Gadamer, and Arendt, in particular – value “tradition,” the critical theorists, inspired by Marx, look for radical social reform or even outright revolution. Among the critical theorists, Habermas, at least, believes that social and political conservatism is not just a personality quirk of the Freiburg thinkers but is intrinsic to phenomenology itself. The phenomenologists, he believes, conceive of human flourishing as requiring a “lifeworld” whose customs constitute an unchallengeable “social a priori,” and this, he claims, evinces nostalgia for a premodern past, a past that has disappeared in multicultural modernity (Habermas 1984: 126–31). The hostility between the two traditions comes to a head, of course, in the matter of Heidegger’s involvement with Nazism. In a savage review of 1953, Habermas claimed Heidegger’s 1935 Introduction to Metaphysics to be essentially tainted by Nazism (along with the entire tradition of post-Kantian German philosophy), to which Heidegger responded that anyone who read his work in that way has yet to “learn the craft of thinking” (Wolin 1993: 186–97).«

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Oct 3 2025 1:09 utc | 236

 
 
 
Indeed, and there are many angles here from which one could approach this. I’ll just note that both groups which are painted here in fairly broad brush are not as coherent as portrayed. The Husserl/Heidegger relation is highly problematic, far from an organic development; the critical point actually pertains to the issue here. Then, the Frankfurter are sometimes called out as faux Marxists for their unique role in shaping the post-war Zeitgeist of the Bundesrepublik.
 
I see that Habermas is throwing around the term lifeworld, probably aiming at Heidegger. Now I can’t really say much about the exact role of this term in Habermas thought [perhaps Don F has something?], so I will not try to speak for him here, but it looks to be (rather surprisingly) more or less the same foundational critique on Heidegger’s twist of Phenomenology that Husserl brought forth himself in Phänomenologie und Anthropologie (1931). Funnily enough, Husserl there takes instance to direct an equally scathing judgement at Heidegger as the one quoted above, insinuating that he speaks „from a point of no understanding“.
 
Now Husserl and Habermas make for some rather unlikely allies. Adorno, who masterminded much of the Frankfurter thought, wrote his own treatise on him with the clear aim of dismissal; it is a bit of a mud slinging exercise, and I won’t go down this rabbit hole here either.
 
After these historical remarks we are free to take a look at the term lifeworld – Lebenswelt – now and try to parse what Nemesis gave in the quote at top by ourselves. Let’s start with Heidegger and his questioning Being – die Frage nach dem Sein (Ontologie) – and his famous term Dasein (Being-here-ness) which he adopts to integrate the basic observations brought forth by Husserl, to whom Sein und Zeit (1927) is actually dedicated. This can be understood by looking at the term synthesis, originally introduced by Kant and brought to full understanding in Husserl (as die Synthesis des intentionalen Bewusstseins). Synthesis is a critical ingredient one finds when asking what constitutes „things“. They are not merely observed; otherwise General AI would be a thing (you can’t just identify a world model with ‚the world‘). Husserl ends up with the same term already used by Aristotle, nous, literally the ability to perceive/experience ‚notions’. This is intractable, because all notions – ideations – are composite: first and last, they are objects in a stream of consciousness (the perspective of the ever-present Now), but within there they also are ‚things‘ of experience.
 
This means that you can’t just build a model of the world-at-large, because you can’t overcome synthesis; all you can do is to model post synthesis.
 
Synthesis itself cannot be modelled by current means of mathematics, simply because it is not in there to begin with. It’s as if you were trying to compare apples and oranges by using numbers alone – the qualia are absent.
 
Synthesis post factum is individual conscious experience; its fundamental mode is that it is present, with an ability to both observe itself concurrently[!!], and to produce ideations about events in past and future. For sake of simplicity we are talking about human noetic experience now, though an argument can be made that this extends all the way down throughout living things and possibly even to rocks. Synthesis is what makes the quantum wave collapse upon observation according to the Wigner hypothesis.
 
Anyway, this issue is behind Heidegger’s concept of Dasein, as opposed to just Sein. It’s a beautiful term, and a neat way to approach the problem. However, Husserl and Heidegger completely disagree about what follows from it. Husserl, who introduced Lebenswelt (lifeworld) as a term of philosophy for exactly this reasons, prefers to regard it as a problem of philosophy of science, i.e. pertaining to the question of what can I know? Heidegger on the other hand re-projects the nature of synthesis, or synthetic apperception, back out onto the world-at-large, to essentially identify the Lebenswelt with Sein once more.
 
Let me rephrase this critical point a couple of times.

  • Heidegger’s is sometimes called a pastoral philosophy for this very reason. He speaks of „Man as the shepherd of Being“.

  • At one point Heidegger quotes Kant with the incredulous question of how no one has been unable to verify the existence of things – is it even a question!? he goes on – well yes, it is, so methinks. You can clearly see Heidegger’s point of departure here.

 
Heidegger was a fascist. It shows in his political leanings, in his personal conduct, and as I’ve tried to provide, in his philosophy as well.

Posted by: persiflo | Oct 5 2025 12:51 utc | 2

“Britain may already be at war with Russia, former head of MI5 says”

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/sep/29/britain-may-already-be-at-war-with-russia-former-head-of-mi5-says  (posted:  september 29, 2025)


Fiona Hill: ”
Russia is at war with Britain and US is no longer a reliable ally, UK adviser says”

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/jun/06/russia-is-at-war-with-uk-and-us-no-longer-reliable-ally  (posted: june 24, 2025)

Surprise, surprise. This is a matter of “the pot calling the kettle black”.

(I am going to use the 3 hyphens to create space between 2 parts of text until the “double blank space problem has been solved.)

Posted by: WMG | Oct 5 2025 12:56 utc | 3

Sorry for the long post. I still recommend to read it twice.

Posted by: persiflo | Oct 5 2025 13:15 utc | 4

WMG@3……Fiona Hill had better send Russia a map because if the UK is at war with Russia someone needs to tell the Russians cause they are still pissin’ around in eastern Donbass which is a long way from England, not even sure a map will help Russia….lucky England safely hidden from Russian view at the other end of Europe.  May the everlasting stream of Colonial perpetual terror continue………
 
Cheers M 
 
 
 

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Oct 5 2025 13:30 utc | 5

Ever heard of “Project Esther”? From the Heritage Foundation, it’s a thought-police accompaniment t0 “Project 2025.” Here we go…

Erika Kirk has been hailed as the Esther of the 21st century. The new Turning Point USA CEO got the title from former White House Press Secretary, Kayleigh McEnany, following the memorial service of late husband Charlie Kirk.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/us-news/erika-kirk-called-esther-of-21st-century-what-to-know-about-prophecy-on-new-tpusa-ceo-101758832777203.html
 
Here’s some entertaining reading for your Sunday: the book of Esther. It’s quite a strange little novelette, a late Hebrew Bible book with no mention of divinity (except in the extended, orthodox version). Queen Esther, of this book,  is the archetypal crypto-Jew, deployed by Mordecai to infiltrate and control the kingdom of Persia.

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Oct 5 2025 13:45 utc | 6

Well, persiflo, that is all rather deep and complicated 19th cent.  German Philosophy. (Don’t disagree with specifics, not studied it ..)  What about Arendt? (Imho over-hyped, but that is just me.)  Spengler? Ok all that is related to the Nazi Regime but not ? to fundamental philosophical writings, where are the links between the different strands?  
Skipping forward to today, Pascal Lottaz (website *Neutrality Studies* – CH) questions a German ‘expert’ on Propaganda in Germany.  55 mins.
“Propaganda Researcher EXPOSES Europe’s Path to Self-Destruction | Dr. Jonas Tögel”  
https://tinyurl.com/54fj7pps
 
 

Posted by: Noirette | Oct 5 2025 13:53 utc | 7

I see the Czechs elected an anti EU government – or at least an anti war government. I expected the EU to declare the election invalid but it seems to be holding.
 
Georgia, NGO’s triggered a riot for their regional elections – Georgia dream party one in virtually all regions. PM has stated extremist forces will be neutralized.
 
America looks to be out of the game when it comes to colour revolutions in Europe and region but they are still ongoing. Europe may be funding them but it will be the Brits that are the movers and shakers when it comes to NGO operations and riots.
 
Apart from Tusk and another clown, the poles don’t seem to have dropped into insanity. But they are gearing up for war with weapons from South Korea.  When Nato and EU entities collapse, it is likely the first European war will be Germany and Poland. Poland has just moved troops to the German border. They say to stop migrants and that’s likely all it is at the moment.
 
I don’t know when all the elections are due in the various European countries, but I think as each election rolls around, Europe will greatly change.
Some no doubt will retain their system pigs, but I think in a few years, there will be a sizable block that reject the Ursula von der Leyen and Nato bullshit. Though EU and Nato are the one entity now as they were joined/amalgamated at the start of the war on Russia.
 
By polling, the AFT is now the most popular party so even Germany may change at the next election. I don’t know where France is at other than Le Pen being tied up in the courts or jailed. 
The insanity in Europe apears to be subsiding a little now so perhaps they will not launch suicidal war on Russia.
 
The crappy little island of the City of London will not change though. For the Anglo world, Iran will be make or break time.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 5 2025 14:06 utc | 8

 The illegitimate ruler of Kiev wrote : “We need stronger defenses, faster execution of all defense agreements, especially regarding air defense, to render this aerial terror meaningless,” Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky wrote on Telegram. “A unilateral ceasefire in the skies is possible, and it may open the way to genuine diplomacy. America and Europe must act to force Putin to stop.”  
I thought Keith Kellogg says that the NATO forces in Ukraine are winning. What is going on here? Messrs Starmer, Merz and Macron we need an answer!

Posted by: Steve | Oct 5 2025 14:08 utc | 9

persiflo 2
“While the phenomenologists – Heidegger, Gadamer, and Arendt, in particular – value “tradition,” the critical theorists, inspired by Marx, look for radical social reform or even outright revolution.”
 Possibly trying to frame a reality best understood as the spectrum and feedback between polarities as monolithic. Then the polarities polarize. More yin and yang, than God Almighty.
An objective point of view would be an oxymoron. No omniscient omniscience, no “God’s eye view.”
 Knowing both the position and momentum of a moving car is contradictory, but it is only s mystery if we assume information to be inherently objective, rather than entirely emergent with the processes generating it.
 The big problem is time.
As mobile organisms, this sentient interface our body has with its situation functions as a sequence of perceptions, in order to navigate, so our sense of time is of the present moving past to future. As the basis of thought, it is foundational civilization.
 Yet the evident reality is that activity and the resulting change turns future to past. Tomorrow becomes yesterday, because the earth turns. 
 There is no dimension of time, because the past is consumed by the present, to inform and drive it. Causality and conservation of energy. Cause becomes effect.
 No time traveling around the fabric of spacetime, as it is more tapestry being woven of strands being pulled from what was woven.
 Energy is conserved, because it manifests this presence, creating time, temperature, pressure, color, sound, as frequencies and amplitudes, rates and degrees.
 So the present goes past to future, as the patterns generated go future to past, because energy drives the wave, the fluctuations rise and fall. No tiny strings necessary.
 Consciousness also goes past to future, while the perceptions, emotions and thoughts giving it form and structure go future to past. Suggesting consciousness manifests as energy.
 As it is the digestive system processing the energy, feeding the flame, while the nervous system sorts the patterns, signals from the noise, there is this cognitive focus on the patterns, while what observes, creates them is assumed to be emergent from the form, rather than source of it. “It from bit.” Currently going in overdrive with AI.
 The signals our minds pick out of the noise are what resonates and synchronizes with prior knowledge, building on it, like rings of a tree. Which is a centripetal dynamic, as the noise radiates back out.
 Galaxies are structure coalescing in, as light radiates out.
 This light is then traded around creating overall equilibrium. The light you see reflected off the surfaces around you are the frequencies not absorbed by them.
So the essence of the node is synchronization. everything on the same wavelength, functioning as one. While the essence of the network is harmonization, all the energies traded around creating overall equilibrium.
 As organisms, it is our nervous system that coalesces all the cells and organs into one fairly coherent entity. While the circulation system sustains harmony across this internal ecosystem of cells and organs.
 In that states function as social super organisms, government, executive and regulatory, is the nervous system, while money and banking are blood and circulation system.
 We have evolved enough to understand that as the function of government has to be the health of the entire society, if only because power accrues to those with the most followers, that it has  to be a public utility. We have not yet come to see the same principle applies to banking.
 When the medium enabling markets is a player in those markets and not a utility, the rest are tenant farmers to the banks.
 As linear, goal oriented creatures in this cyclical, circular, reciprocal, feedback generated reality, people see money as signal to save and store, while markets need it to circulate. Consequently Econ 101 describes money as both medium of exchange and store of value.
 In your body, blood is the medium, fat is the store. Mix them up and you are dead.
 Roads are a medium, parking lots are a store. If we treated roads like we treat money, everything would be paved over, but we would still be fighting over who has the biggest lots.
 As a medium, you own money like you own the section of road you are on, or the air and water flowing through your body. It doesn’t have your picture on it, you don’t hold the copyrights and, most importantly, are not directly responsible for its value, like a personal check.
 While we might think of money as a commodity to mine from the economy, like we mine gold from the ground, or bitcoin from computer processing, it functions as a social contract, between the holder and the rest of society. So to store the asset side of the ledger requires a debt on the other side. 
 Consequently much social and economic activity is designed to generate debt, to store the illusion of wealth.
 That the flunkies in DC are best at creating debt and the financial sector needs this debt to grow metastatically, is not coincidence. “The real money is in bonds.”
 The secret sauce of capitalism is public debt backing private wealth.

Posted by: John Merryman | Oct 5 2025 14:13 utc | 10

“While the phenomenologists – Heidegger, Gadamer, and Arendt, in particular – value “tradition,” the critical theorists, inspired by Marx, look for radical social reform or even outright revolution.”
The anarchies of desire versus the tyrannies of judgment.
 Expand, consolidate. Repeat.

Posted by: John Merryman | Oct 5 2025 14:17 utc | 11

thanks b!
 
since persiflo lives in germany and likes to talk philosophy, i would like to ask him a question based on a conversation i had yesterday with a couple from frankfurt..  they are a couple who appear to be in there 50s, maybe 60..  they tell of an icreasing number of there friends looking for living options outside germany… some of there friends have already moved! 
 
apparently this wasn’t a conversation prior to covid..apparently some people are unhappy with the direction germany is going and are voicing this via a move out of the country, or increasing talk of this subject..
 
do you have any firsthand thoughts on this? thanks..
also unrelated, i liked hannah arendts book eichmann in jerusalem..  not sure what her philosophy is defined as..

Posted by: james | Oct 5 2025 14:24 utc | 12

the substack ‘Apicitas Economics’ has an article up titled ‘The Tariff Exemption Behind The AI Boom” that some might like to read.. i am sorry, but i can’t link firectly to it..

Posted by: james | Oct 5 2025 14:29 utc | 13

@Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 5 2025 14:06 utc | 8
Babis is a “skeptic” of the war in Ukraine, but also supported the protests in Belarus. He certainly cannot be called a Putin sympathizer. To me, more a Meloni type. He says that the massive export of shells to Ukraine from the Czech Republic should be placed under NATO governance, rather than stopped. 

Posted by: Roger Boyd | Oct 5 2025 14:49 utc | 14

Posted by: WMG | Oct 5 2025 12:56 utc | 3
 
“Britain may already be at war with Russia, former head of MI5 says”
 
Russia is at war with Britain and US is no longer a reliable ally, UK adviser says”

 
Eurocrats want to have a war in which nobody fights and nobody dies.
 
A war in which they spend bigly in American weapons and the euro populace accept it because of the war in which nobody fights and nobody dies.
 
Newspeak for that is “hybrid war”.

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Oct 5 2025 15:01 utc | 15

Roger Boyd | Oct 5 2025 14:49 utc | 14
 
From what I could make of it, he ran on policies that criticized the massive EU spending in the war against Russia. He believed that money should be used for the people in Europe, and Czech money used for Czech people, not thrown down the drain in the war against Russia.
Though as we have often seen, campaign platforms and reality can be two quite different things when it comes to western politicians. 

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 5 2025 15:02 utc | 16

Link to the article “james” recommended:
“The Tariff Exemption Behind the AI Boom”
Text URL: https://www.apricitas.io/p/the-tariff-exemption-behind-the-ai
 

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Oct 5 2025 15:08 utc | 17

@ Peter AU1 | Oct 5 2025 15:02 utc | 16
 
Which translated means “In principle I have nothing against having Ukraine in the EU; I just don’t want Ukraine hogging the trough.”

Posted by: malenkov | Oct 5 2025 15:09 utc | 18

Johan Kaspar ( Oct 5 2025 15:01 utc | 15 ):
Interesting point or point of view although people are dying, it’s just not the people “somebody” deem important or at least not all that many of them as compared to how many of them (and everybody) it could be.
 
Looking at the public personas of our “leaders” and their statements it’s difficult to believe they could have come up with anything at all on their own, including their talk about “hybrid war”. Someone has to be spoon-feeding them.
 

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Oct 5 2025 15:19 utc | 19

malenkov | Oct 5 2025 15:09 utc | 18
 
From what I can make out, a fair number seem happy with the pre 2014 EU and others are welcome to join. I think its the idea of an economic union with free trade and stuff many would like to see, but not the insanity of the unelected authoritarian fools the EU body is run by.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 5 2025 15:26 utc | 20

LIVE now – range of very good speakers …
 

After two years of Gaza genocide, finding a path to peace and liberation

International Manifesto Group

After two years of Gaza genocide, finding a path to peace and liberation

Posted by: Don Firineach | Oct 5 2025 15:32 utc | 21

“Then, the Frankfurter are sometimes called out as faux Marxists for their unique role in shaping the post-war Zeitgeist of the Bundesrepublik.”
They were not in any sense Marxist and less so revolutionists.  They were familiar with Marx as most in Germany at that time, but their mission was to subvert and neuter Marxism intellectually.  The caraciture of Marxism for Trump and his ilk is basically these guys.  Post WW2, the ruling class brought many to New York to reeducate the left on Marx.  This was of course after Adorno and Horkheimer’s declaration that all of western history from the French Revolution forward was fascist and merely paved the way for Hitler.  With that in mind, they developed the foundation for the “racist, sexist, homophobic” screaming petty bourgeois which mascarade as “left” while carrying out genocide in Israel and supporting neo Nazi Ukraine.  Just read anything they wrote ..if you can, it’s not written to be clearly understood but rather in heavily coded language for a unnamed elite ala Levi Strauss.  Buy you’ll find all the phoney leftism therein: the working class is reactionary, your father is an agent of fascism and must be undermined at all costs, your mother and all women are undersexed and must all become promiscuous in order to fight fascism, etc, etc.  Essentially, the focus is moved from the bourgeois in the economic/political arena and into an attack on the homes and personal lives of the workers themselves.  One can see how the RC would prefer this.  Their replacement of Marx and influence campaign in the US bore the rotten fruit of today’s America: objective scientific analysis abandoned for irrationalist concepts and goals which miraculously always aid the ruling class in one way or another.  
The Frankfurters produced nothing of value beyond Marcuse’s Reason and Revolution (which is simply finding the value in Hegel a century after Marx did!).  They were one and all anti Marxist wreckers with University posts.  One of them actually believed what he was writing and went completely nuts (Wilhelm Reich), the rest knew exactly what they were doing.  Every time you meet a woman worshiping, white worker hating, transvestite that energetically supports Israel and Ukraine, you can thank the Frankfurters.  

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Oct 5 2025 15:35 utc | 22

How Mossad demolished Italy, from Kit Klarenberg & Wyatt Reed:

For years, Israel’s Mossad monitored and secretly influenced a violent communist faction that carried out the March 16, 1978 kidnapping and murder of Italian statesman Aldo Moro, veteran investigative journalist Eric Salerno has documented.
Having worked closely alongside multiple Italian heads of state during his 30-year career as a correspondent, Salerno published an expose of their secret relationship with Israeli intelligence in 2010 called Mossad Base Italy
The reporter told The Grayzone that Moro, who was arguably Italy’s most important leader, became a thorn in the side of powerful forces who sought to keep his country firmly lodged in the pro-Western bloc. Salerno believes Italy’s long-term foreign policy would have developed differently if Moro had survived, adding, “that’s what they were afraid of in the United States.”

https://thegrayzone.com/2025/10/04/mossad-contact-italian-pm-killers/

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Oct 5 2025 15:36 utc | 23

Babis is a “skeptic” of the war in Ukraine, but also supported the protests in Belarus. He certainly cannot be called a Putin sympathizer. To me, more a Meloni type. He says that the massive export of shells to Ukraine from the Czech Republic should be placed under NATO governance, rather than stopped. 
Posted by: Roger Boyd | Oct 5 2025 14:49 utc | 14
Well there are some things he is not skeptic of. From the last time this billionair sat with power:
Czech prime minister opens embassy office in Jerusalem | The Times of Israel

Posted by: Paul from Norway | Oct 5 2025 15:38 utc | 24

@ Peter AU1 | Oct 5 2025 15:26 utc | 20
 
That’s awfully kind. I think it’s just that net recipients of EU lucre don’t want to see their cut reduced.

Posted by: malenkov | Oct 5 2025 15:44 utc | 25

The European economic union. From 2014 onward it became the war union rather than an economic union. That was formalized between 2014 and 2022 when the EU merged with Nato to become the one body (I forget the exact year).
 
A war union dedicated to destroying Russia. Willing to sacrifice the economies of Europe to do so. As we have seen, Russian was perhaps the most important trade partner of the European economic union. Insanity.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 5 2025 15:45 utc | 26

malenkov | Oct 5 2025 15:44 utc | 25
 
I could well be wrong as I dont know the bloke. Its Just what I saw of his basic campaign policy but also what Orban and Fico said. Apparently the Czech bloke gets on well with Orban. Orban and Fico have a bit of track record now.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 5 2025 15:51 utc | 27

@ 19 sunny runny burger..
 
thanks.. i thought it was relevant to the last article b posted on AI and the valuations of it all..  part of thebreason is trump is giving his tech bros a free ride..
 
on babis the new czech leader..  a billionaire who is probably very cunning and knows what to say to win and buy the ection..  i have my doubts on him falling out of the gestapo nato walk and talk, although a nationalistic appeal has probably paid off and explains some of his win here..  i don’t trust billionaires to do what is good for people..

Posted by: james | Oct 5 2025 15:55 utc | 28

A few quotes from the Frankfurters:
Herbert Marcuse in One-Dimensional Man:“Why should the overthrow of the existing order be of vital necessity for people who own, or can hope to own, good clothes, a well-stocked larder, a TV set, a car, a house and so on, all within the existing order?”�“If the proletariat is no longer the negation of capitalism, then, according to Marcuse, ‘it is no longer qualitatively… the structure and function of these classes has been altered in such a way that they no longer appear to be agents of historical transformation.’ …the former antagonists are now united in ‘an overriding interest in the preservation and improvement of the institutional status quo.’”�Marcuse in An Essay on Liberation:“The rupture with the self-propelling conservative continuum of needs must precede the revolution which is to usher in a free society.”�Adorno in Minima Moralia:“To play off the dialects of workers against written speech is reactionary.”�Adorno and Horkheimer in Dialectic of Enlightenment:“The misplaced love of the common people for the wrong which is done to them is a greater force than the cunning of the authorities.”�
So, as one can see, it was concluded post WW2 by the Frankfurters that the working class slaves are reactionary, are not the revolutionary class and others “misfits” on the fringes of society are the true revolutionary class.  In other words, the very antithesis of Marx, Lenin and Trotsky.  
Reading Marcuse reminds me a lot of Love’s attitude to workers and American workers especially.  

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Oct 5 2025 15:56 utc | 29

I see Persiflo has thrown dowm the gauntlet. 
 
This is really the only thing to think about right now as it pertains to the unfolding of the west’s great crackdown against its people and nations. 
 
I will have to get my thoughts and jot some notes and regurgitate some kind of response to him. 
 
On the subject of “friends and allies,” though, this discussion seems to always enkindle in me a sense of sadness mixed with patient resolve. How does one exist as an individual between the twin pillars of Jewishness calling everyone and everything fascist (and for good reason because they have historically been misaligned with host nations and are historically embittered) and the Traditionalists who will call out everything as anathema except Jewishness?
 
You win no friends.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Oct 5 2025 16:04 utc | 30

Heidigger’s focus on daisen or being served as another, more conservative way of undermining Marx intellectually.  His obsessive focus on individual being as opposed to social existence again shifts the analysis from human society to the subjective, alienated individual.  Had he arrived with his ideas prior to Marx he’d scarcely be remembered today.  And, there’s no controversy: he was a member of the Nazi party.  He broke with them within s few years, but, yeah, a Nazi.  
One more on Marcuse and what he, in contrast to Marx, felt was the revolutionary class: 
 
“The Frankfurt School, particularly Herbert Marcuse, identified new revolutionary subjects outside the traditional industrial working class as that class became integrated into advanced capitalist society. Marcuse famously pointed to the “outcasts and outsiders, the exploited and persecuted of other races and other colors, the unemployed and unemployable” as the potential new revolutionary elements. He argued that, although these groups may lack revolutionary consciousness, “their opposition is revolutionary even if their consciousness is not”
It’s a pretty short trip from here to the divide and rule idpol we all know and despise.  

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Oct 5 2025 16:09 utc | 31

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Oct 5 2025 15:56 utc |
a bunch of Papists arguing over the filioque clause, the whole lot of you “Marxists.” 

Posted by: duck n cover | Oct 5 2025 16:11 utc | 32

NemesisCalling | Oct 5 2025 16:04 utc | 30
 
I think about the two holocausts. Nazi Germany tried to keep the genocide of the European Jews secret as it knew the westphalian cultures/culture would be upset about that. 
The Russians/Soviet though, nobody in westphalia cared about them so Nazi Germany did not trie to hide the genocide there.
Same now in Israel. The Palestinians – both orthodox Christian and Muslim are not westphalian people so the genocide of the Palestinians by the Jews is carried out very publicly.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 5 2025 16:12 utc | 33

Looking at the public personas of our “leaders” and their statements it’s difficult to believe they could have come up with anything at all on their own, including their talk about “hybrid war”. Someone has to be spoon-feeding them. 
Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Oct 5 2025 15:19 utc | 19

 
Spoon-feeder: You need to buy our expensive weapons.
Spoon-fed: Yeah but the voters …
Spoon-feeder: Tell them you are at war with Russia.
Spoon-fed: Yeah but Russia has big weapons.
Spoon-feeder: I said you need to buy our expensive weapons, not to go to war with Russia.
Spoon-fed: Yeah but you also said …
Spoon-feeder: Holy smoke! Pay attention! Just tell your voters you are at war with Russia, but for God’s sake don’t go to war with Russia.
Spoon-fed: Dunno, voters may ask where is this war with Russia.
Spoon-feeder: Say it’s a new kind of war, a hybrid war, release some drones, scare them freaking voters.
Spoon-fed: Ah … so we don’t go to war with Russia.
Spoon-feeder: No.
Spoon-fed: Phew!
Spoon-feeder: Just buy our expensive weapons.
Spoon-fed: Yeah but we have a welfare system to pay for and limits on debt.
Spoon-feeder: Drop your limits on debt, carefully shrink your welfare payments.
Spoon-fed: Our limits on debt are in the constitution!
Spoon-feeder: Change the constitution.
Spoon-fed: Mmh I guess we can do that.
Spoon-feeder: Attaboy!

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Oct 5 2025 16:19 utc | 34

This gentlemen is speaking about one example of action where none is needed. This would be an example of dwelling as opposed to Heideggerian enframing (Gestell). 
 
And what are we doing when we resist the temptation to associate a natural forest fire with “bad” and instead identify it as purgative (good)?
 
The same thing with modern science telling us all the time that anxiety is bad, you need a pill, and you don’t need to feel trapped in a man’s body if you are truly a woman. 
 
I guess I am a fascist because I associate bad things like anxiety and inaction as intrinsic to an historical Dasein. 

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Oct 5 2025 16:30 utc | 35

Addendum <a href=”https://youtu.be/mZDol3pHkMI?si=pl1EcvlaSrwr-Rr2″>This gentlemen</a>

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Oct 5 2025 16:31 utc | 36

This gentlemen here

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Oct 5 2025 16:32 utc | 37

Classic colour revolution attempt in Georgia.
 
Lord Bebo@MyLordBebo·2h🇬🇪 Large quantity of weapons & explosives intended for sabotage on election day seized in Georgia
Georgian citizen purchased weapons on instructions of military units’ member operating in Ukraine
Attack was planned in parallel with attempted seizure of presidential residence — State Security Service
https://x.com/MyLordBebo/status/1974520988118450354
 
A full thread on the attempted Georgia colour revolution at the link.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 5 2025 16:37 utc | 38

Kash Patel declares FBI will no longer take direction from ADL. It’s getting so you can’t tell the players without a scorecard…

It’s hard to imagine a stranger twist to the MAGA’s “war on woke” than FBI Director Kash Patel’s announcement that the Bureau is cutting ties with the Anti-Defamation League (ADL). In a social media post, Patel wrote that the agency won’t partner with “political fronts masquerading as watchdogs”. The decision came after right-wing backlash over the ADL’s inclusion of Turning Point USA and its late leader, Charlie Kirk, in its “glossary of extremism”.

https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2025/10/4/yes-the-adl-is-a-political-front-masquerading-as-a

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Oct 5 2025 16:39 utc | 39

The Brits ran the attempted colour revolutions in both Belarus and Kazakhstan. This one in Georgia exactly the same so it will be the Brits behind it even if EU money was used to pay the NGO’s.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 5 2025 16:40 utc | 40

Posted by: persiflo | Oct 5 2025 12:51 utc | 2
 
Thank you, persiflo for presenting your understanding of these philosophers in brief.  I would like to relate this to Putin’s intro remarks at Valdai as I haven’t seen them discussed any place.  And then go on to his reading of Pushkin’s poem, which has a garbled translation into English though I did find helpful explanations of the context, as well as a clip of Putin himself reading the poem.
 
I base my exploration on Putin’s statement that when considering the new global atmosphere, it is impossible to determine a fixed state of affairs or balance of power for the longterm.  “What is needed here is a philosophy of complexity – something akin to quantum mechanics, which is wiser and in some ways more complex than classic physics.
 
This may not be what you are describing,  Persiflo,  though ‘being’ in a practical sense is certainly a given, since Putin says that everyone is involved as participants in the new ‘atmosphere’  as evidenced by the failure of the unipolar system, which was based on  ‘linear unilateral solutions’ that he first describes as having been shown to be no longer working.  I’m not a physicist, but that looks like how progress was made from Newtonian physics to Einstein,  sort of.
  
I’ll end my summary with Putin’s description of what the new diplomacy needs to be:  ‘serious, professional, impartial, creative and at times unconventional diplomacy, “in essence, [there’s ‘being’ again] dialogue to reach agreements with both like-minded partners and opponents.”
 
I’d be interested in how  the philosophy of your post at 2 might relate to this ‘world view’ — as perhaps it has related to, as you say,  fascism and the like.  If it doesn’t, never mind;  I’m eager to discuss what I understand about Putin’s recitation from Pushkin.  (He had carried the book to the rostrum for his speech,  but had forgotten to read the poem as he’d intended until the Q and A.)
 
[Thanks to karlof1 for providing a complete transcript at the previous open forum.]

Posted by: juliania | Oct 5 2025 16:41 utc | 41

US Gov‘t 10-year still above 4%-

Posted by: exile | Oct 5 2025 16:58 utc | 42

@ persiflo #2 & NemesisCalling
Hey guys, it’s Sunday! Husserlian tradition has it as a day of rest in the ‘Christian’ lifeworlds! So I’ll ramble a bit.
Husserl and Habermas make for some rather unlikely allies (persiflo).
Not really that unlikely. Habermas cannot think without Husserl, nor can he think without some insights from Heidegger (who was, I agree, a fascist). The key debate, often emotional, is political and takes us back to the 1930s – where we again in Europe find ourselves in a similar debate a century later. This is, therefore, and important debate which remains unfinished. As does Enlightenment as the Western world heads towards a new_feudalism with oligarchic all-seeing financial capitalism with Zionist characteristics in total control.
Personally I cannot think without insights from both sides of this debate – while admittedly leaning towards the neo-Marxist side of Habermas’ formulation of Money, Power, Law, Lifeworld (Lebenswelt) – Lebenswelt a translation of Marx’ ‘Labour’. Many neo-conservatives draw on the idea of ‘Tradition’ – adopt Husserl to maintain their power structures – or draw on Heidegger’s God [Only a God Can Save Us] such as Thiel (with Schmitt) – or nationalist conservatives (Orban; AfD?) .. and ..er. one might say VVP.
So let’s look at Europe which is now a feudal colony of Financial Capital. Money has infiltrated all sections of administrative Power which it has locked in via Law. The State(s) is NOT sovereign. The Citizenry (sic) have simply become docile cows to be milked so that the Money Oligarchs of Capital can make profit – rent – from said Citizenry – who pretend to elect leaders to cater for their interests in their Lifeworlds – but such leaders simply do what Money dictates. The European Lifeworld has been totally invaded by Money-Power – colonised – and presently rather powerless – so some form of revolution needed to alter present state of affairs. Do I really need to go into detail on this blog?
Now look at China. Here the State (Power) has not been subsumed by Money(Capital) – it retains Agency and it has certain Power over Money(Capital) – which is not allowed to colonise its Lifeworld and disturb its thousands year old traditions (Husserl). The State can ensure that interests of its Citizenry are catered for within its Market-State system. It retains its sovereignty and its agency. Europe does not. Further, China’s multi-polar view of Civilizations (plural) sees a form of ‘communicative action’(Habermas)   between such states/civilizations as the future for mankind – wherein Apel/Habermas’ translation of Kant’s categorical imperative to Discourse Ethics takes us away from radical individualism [used by Capital/Power in the West to Control] and back to a Husserlian type meeting of  the Lifeworlds in the global space. Look at Europe and von der Lyan & Kallas and weep.
Pardon the ramble.

Posted by: Don Firineach | Oct 5 2025 16:59 utc | 43

With all this “divide and conquer” one should be asking who would be doing the dividing and conquering?
 Michael Hudson has made the argument that it goes back to antiquity and the Greeks and Romans adopting interest accruing lending from the Middle East, without the circuit breaker of debt jubilees. That “Forgive them their sins” was originally “Forgive them their debts,” before the Romans co-opted Christianity for the monotheism, as it served to validate top down rule.
 Remember democracy and republicanism originated in pantheistic cultures. To the Ancients, gods were metaphors, memes, if you like. At this stage of intellectual evolution, monotheism equated with monoculture. One people, one rule, one god. Basically a metaphor for the tribal societies in which humanity originated.
 What made the Jewish tribal god a useful cultural locus, was the god were those social rules, not some figurative metaphor. Ancient Israel was also a monarchy. The Big Guy rules. Like the religion.
 Yet rules tend to become socially constraining, as they tend to grow like vines. The anarchies of desire versus the tyrannies of judgement.
So Christianity originated as a schism in Judaism, between those pushing the social and cultural bounds and those enforcing them. “Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.”
 While it was received outside of Judaism as a metaphor for rebirth, as this tension between tradition and renewal is universal. Zeus not giving way to Dionysus. The origins of the Trinity go to fertility rites. The young god born in the spring to the old sky god and earth mother. Oestre was the Anglo Saxon fertility goddess.
 While Constantine co-opted it for the monotheism, as he was bringing the sides of the Empire together and burying any reminders of the Republic. The Big Guy Rules.
 The Catholic Church then served as the eschatological basis for European monarchy. Divine right of kings, as opposed to consent of the governed. While the origins of the Trinity were shrouded in garble about the three faces of God, as the Church was not actually into renewal, or women, for the matter. The new became the old.
 When the West went back to popular forms of government, it required separation of church and state, culture and civics, morality and law.
 Having outsourced social evolution to this idealized father figure, as respect for it faded, it left a void, filled by the will to power, rampant greed, or just reversion to ethnocentric tribalism, ie, Nazism/Aryan Nation, or Zionism.
 The problem with modern monotheism is that ideals are not absolutes. Truth, beauty, platonic forms are ideals. The core codes, creeds, heroes, narratives at the center of every culture are ideals. The universal, on the other hand, is the elemental. So a spiritual absolute would be the essence of sentience, from which life rises, not an ideal of wisdom and judgement, from which we fell. The light shining through the film, than the stories playing out on it.
 Morality is not absolute, as it couldn’t be transgressed, if it were. Like a temperature below absolute zero. Morals are those codes, behaviors, relationships, etc. that sustain a healthy and functional society.
 Back in those tribal societies, status would be a function of what one added, one’s responsibilities. With these nation states of hundreds of millions of people, status is a function of what one can extract, one’s rights.
 Cultures tend to treat good and bad as that cosmic conflict between the forces of righteousness and evil, because it is the function of culture to coalesce societies as those social super organisms. While the reality is they are the basic biological binary of beneficial and detrimental. The 1/0 of sentience. What is good for the fox, is bad for the chicken.
 Often too much of a good thing can have negative consequences and much of our evolution is a response to dealing with problems, than basking in pleasures. “No pain, no gain.” What doesn’t kill us, just makes us stronger.
 When we try applying absolutes to this, then the feedback loops don’t have any circuit breakers and it all spirals into the vortex.
 

Posted by: John Merryman | Oct 5 2025 17:00 utc | 44

Posted by: persiflo | Oct 5 2025 12:51 utc | 2
 
I see your words, and I think to myself: “What would they sound like?”
 
https://youtube.com/watch?v=9Tk7p_v3yb0&pp=0gcJCfsJAYcqIYzv
 
 

Posted by: lachaussette | Oct 5 2025 17:02 utc | 45

Posted by: duck n cover | Oct 5 2025 16:11 utc | 32  Papists do not argue over the filioque clause. Orthodox churches may. But Roman Catholics and Orthodox are difference churches because they argue over filioque? Or do they argue over filioque because they are different churches? 
 
Arguments over programs among Marxists (and those who hope to become genuine Marxists) are in fact somewhat different from theological arguments because there is usually some sort of plausible connection between the abstraction of the ideology and rather practical, concrete policies of a party or state. On the other hand, with genuine sects, as in religions, it is unclear as to how the doctrinal differences connect to individual sects. Many sects very closely resemble each other in practical, concrete matters of daily life. Ideological disputes among Marxist organizations (especially Trotskyist?) seem often to trace to the fact that a smaller organization is trying to snatch recruits from the larger one.  

Posted by: steven t johnson | Oct 5 2025 17:13 utc | 46

Ahenobarbus @22 <– I was going to post something like this only not so politely worded. The efforts by Adorno and Horkheimer to make Marxism “capitalism-friendly” are central to why what is called “the left” today can so justifiably be ridiculed. At the time the Frankfurter nonsense was taking hold the Soviet Union was ideologically fossilizing into dogmatic Stalinism and couldn’t offer any theoretical advancement of Marxism, and the Chinese were too busy just trying to survive to care what ideological abominations Europe was up to. There was Trotsky’s Fourth International to carry the torch, but it didn’t garner much headspace since Stalinism seemed to be working (obviously a failure since the Stalinists ended up voluntarily dismantling the Soviet Union for lack of anything better to offer).  As a result the Frankfurter nonsense was able to gain traction because there was little to oppose it from the left and on the right wiser capitalists saw it as useful and so gave it a boost. Now what is called “the left” is defined by ridiculous nonsense that the right is entirely justified in scoffing at.
 
The damage done to the West by the Frankfurters cannot be overestimated. 

Posted by: William Gruff | Oct 5 2025 17:17 utc | 47

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Oct 5 2025 15:36 utc | 23
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Not sure why anyone would want to create new conspiracy theories surrounding his death. The original “official” conspiracy (the Red Brigades) was obviously false. It is also not clear why Mossad would have any motive. Smells more like a CIA project with local support.
We killed Aldo Moro (archived)
There was also a documentary “Aldo Moro: Death in Rome” (Kanopy site, so you need an account) years ago where post-WW2 Operation Gladio “stay behinds” were the ones that did it with CIA support. 

Posted by: Fool Me Twice | Oct 5 2025 17:33 utc | 48

Heidegger was a fascist. It shows in his political leanings, in his personal conduct, and as I’ve tried to provide, in his philosophy as well.
Posted by: persiflo | Oct 5 2025 12:51 utc | 2
 
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That Heidegger was a fascist is beyond doubt, but to say that those aspects of his metaphysical blabla that you outlined are necessarily fascist is something of a stretch.  Antimaterialist for sure, but fascist only if one limits (incorrectly, I believe) the universe of worldviews into the two options “materialist” and “fascist”.  There’s nothing in what you detail that necessarily implies authoritarian corporatism, and such blabla could just as easily have been written by, say, a monarchist or a political indifferentist.  (Yes, political indifferentism may indeed serve fascism, but is still something other than conscious promotion of same.)  Perhaps you could tell us your definition of fascism?
 
I say this with more than a little regret because there’s nothing I’d like better than to associate Heidegger’s politics — and his character, important aspects of which were simply loathsome — with his blabla.  This is, I suppose, easier to to with philosophers whose works are more socially oriented, Adorno and Habermas being remarkably easy targets.  (Maybe there’s something in Arendt’s work that suggests she’d be the type of person who as a Jew would sleep with her proto-Nazi professor?)  But as a counterexample I offer the Tractatus, nothing in which suggests that its author was any more psychologically disturbed than your typical turn-of-the-century Viennese intellectual (granted, that’s already a lot).

Posted by: malenkov | Oct 5 2025 17:39 utc | 49

Anyone remembers the very dangerous MiG-31 that violated Estonian airspace one month ago? Yes?
Look what have people found on the internet.
ARTICLE 5 NOW!

Check this photohttps://t.me/Slavyangrad/143587
 

Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 5 2025 17:44 utc | 50

Papists do not argue over the filioque clause. Orthodox churches may. But Roman Catholics and Orthodox are difference churches because they argue over filioque? Or do they argue over filioque because they are different churches?  
Posted by: steven t johnson | Oct 5 2025 17:13 utc | 46
 
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They both used to, back in the days when they were duking it out over authority and legitimacy — which implies a “yes” response to your latter question.

Posted by: malenkov | Oct 5 2025 17:44 utc | 51

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/143587

Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 5 2025 17:44 utc | 52

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Oct 5 2025 15:36 utc | 23
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Not sure why there is a need to create a new conspiracy theory to credit Mossad with the execution of Aldo Moro. Israel would have little motive to get involved, whereas the CIA via Operation Gladio operatives did have means and motive. The original official conspiracy (Red Brigades) was obviously false.
USA Envoy Admits Role in Aldo Moro Killing (archived)
There is also the hard to find documentary Aldo Moro: Death in Rome (available on Kanopy with an account) that points in the same direction.
There was a

Posted by: Fool Me Twice | Oct 5 2025 17:46 utc | 53

@ Norwegian | Oct 5 2025 17:44 utc | 51
 
Maybe they’ll tell us it’s just a “representation” and that the “real photos” can’t be released “for security reasons”.

Posted by: malenkov | Oct 5 2025 17:53 utc | 54

 Every time you meet a woman worshiping, white worker hating, transvestite that energetically supports Israel and Ukraine, you can thank the Frankfurters.  

I get confused, I thought trans were woman hating, plotting to beat them up and rape them in restrooms? Also, pretty sure many trans are white workers, since there are so many white workers. There are of course numerous people who energetically support Israel but it’s because they are Christian Zionists and the Frankfurters aren’t to blame for that. Also, I’m confused about people who lethargically support Ukraine and energetically support Israel, like Trump. Hard to blame that on his study of the Frankfurters. All the jokes aside, the notion trans are energizing the support for Israel really is ridiculous. And trans aren’t energizing the mass support for Ukraine, because there isn’t much mass support for Ukraine, not even among patriots, because foreigners and forever war, i.e, losing. All this appears to be, the writer hates the very idea of such creatures and mentioning their name in connection with something bad provides an occasion to rage.  I must confess though that I haven’t actually met but a handful of trans so maybe that keeps me from seeing the threat this deadly mass movement truly poses?
 

 Marcuse famously pointed to the “outcasts and outsiders, the exploited and persecuted of other races and other colors, the unemployed and unemployable” as the potential new revolutionary elements. He argued that, although these groups may lack revolutionary consciousness, “their opposition is revolutionary even if their consciousness is not”It’s a pretty short trip from here to the divide and rule idpol we all know and despise.  

 
I do despise some idpol. I’m tempted to re-read the book No Politics But Class Politics by Michaels and Reed. (Yes the infamous Adolph Reed, no apologies from me.)  Despite that I can’t endorse this BS. First of all, the employed are working class. And frankly, the so-called unemployable sounds more like a slur than a clearly defined category. As for the notion some malevolent vision of a we who want to exploit and persecute is idpol itself. It’s called solidarity with the ruling class, which also believes in exploitation and persecution. It’s idpol in that it asserts an identity as the virtuous, that crosses class lines. 
 

So, as one can see, it was concluded post WW2 by the Frankfurters that the working class slaves are reactionary, are not the revolutionary class and others “misfits” on the fringes of society are the true revolutionary class.  In other words, the very antithesis of Marx, Lenin and Trotsky.  

 
It’s true that the Frankfurters have nothing to do with Lenin and merely words in common with Marx. Unlike the wrecker they simply say nothing of Trotsky. They didn’t take Trotsky seriously enough to bother with him?  I suppose you could call me an enemy of the Frankfurters, if a nobody can speak of being an enemy to a bunch of dead authors without being silly. But I don’t agree the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Damning the Frankfurters, worthy in itself, doesn’t make nonsense or worse palatable. Elements of the working class become demoralized, criminal, lumpen—they are often the best fighters for reaction. The aristocracy of labor is quite often reactionary, but they are working class nonetheless, God help us all. And broad layers of the working class are in fact a kind of negative reactionary, not revolutionary, not materialist (see: working class people in churches!) The claim that working class homes are being threatened by outcasts and foreigners, who have the power of subversion to make up for their weakness in wealth and numbers, historically was trumpeted by the Klan or the Black Hundreds. And some of the workers listened. I say they were crossing class lines. And I further say that tailing the Black Hundreds is not Marxist and not Leninist! (It may be Trotskyist?)

Posted by: steven t johnson | Oct 5 2025 17:55 utc | 55

The damage done to the West by the Frankfurters cannot be overestimated. 
 
Posted by: William Gruff | Oct 5 2025 17:17 utc | 47
 
They should replace the mandatory antisemitism classes at US colleges with a thorough autopsy of the Frankfurters, especially Marcuse, by far the most insidious of this crypto Zio trash.  Every young worker needs to the learn the origins of the ideas he has so often been told are his own.  

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Oct 5 2025 17:57 utc | 56

I should have posted this in the open thread so will repost here
 
The Holocaust industry.Where is the Holocaust industry for the Australian Aboriginals.Where is the Holocaust industry for the American Indians?Post WWI, the millions of communists we killed in the war against communism – starting with the Greek partisans. Korea, Vietnam ect.A new enemy was needed. the War of Terror beginning with secular Afghanistan in 79 made formal on 9/11.Now AQ is promoted as democratic Syria. Much of the secular muslim world destroyed. Orthodox Christianity under attack, many ancient churches of the Levant destroyed, Orthodox Ukraine outlawed.The anglo wars against the world. How many millions have been killed, both directly and indirectly. I am anglo. Where is the holocaust industry for those so many millions we have killed?
………………………..
 
To add to that, the post WWII world has been all anglo, apart from the Soviet Union. The anglo occupation of Europe. All current world bodies are anglo. The seat of the UN subject to American visa’s. 
That world is changing. China has risen again and Putin has pulled Russia up like pulling the phoenix out of the ashes of the Soviet Union.
Its a battle to the death for the City of London, anglo central. A battle the anglo’s will lose.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 5 2025 18:00 utc | 57

YouTube yacked this up, the YT Indian news channels are mostly western leaning clickbait, I watched it because the title was ambiguous enough to be intriguing, turns out it was a strong pro China move on the part of Petro, his embassy staff was working for the USA to undermine his positive relations with China – he fired the entire staff. I heard nothing about this anywhere, I’m aware of Petro’s stand with the Palestinians but I otherwise thought Columbia was pretty much a CIA narco-state. Seems things are more complex, and looks like Petro’s going to move to the top of the USA shit list. Maybe bodes well for Venezuela, I figure whatever the USA is up to it’ll include an attack from CIA narco-state next door, so maybe not.
 
Colombia Fires Beijing Embassy Staff Amid Petro’s China Push | Vantage on Firstpost

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Oct 5 2025 18:03 utc | 58

LightYearsFromHome | Oct 5 2025 18:03 utc | 57
 
I watched shorts of Petro’s speech at the UN and was surprised. Around the world, the tide has turned. Acceptance of American imperialism is gone.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 5 2025 18:07 utc | 59

#1 exile….Yes and Yes ..VSGPDJT…..will try..get both

Posted by: sejmon | Oct 5 2025 18:08 utc | 60

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Oct 5 2025 15:56 utc |
a bunch of Papists arguing over the filioque clause, the whole lot of you “Marxists.” 
 
Posted by: duck n cover | Oct 5 2025 16:11 utc | 32
 
Exhibit A in the case against the Frankfurters.  He has been presented only their anti worker ideas and taught that this is Marxist.  By design, he naturally distrusts Marxism before he reads a line of Karl Marx.  Why would he?  Professors did the work for him and told him what Marx thinks.  To this species, the Dems and Labor are also Marxist revolutionaries or at the very least the “left”, regardless of how many they genocide or their lust for nuclear war or their destruction of working people in the west,  like himself.   

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Oct 5 2025 18:09 utc | 61

Posted by: William Gruff | Oct 5 2025 17:17 utc | 47 It is true the Frankfurters were abominable. What is not true is that the Chinese had no interest in international debates. The famous—amongst Marxists at least, which this commenter isn’t—Sino-Soviet split began as a debate. Also incredibly untrue is the implication the Chinese had no influence at all. This is preposterous. Maoism was very influential among students in the US and also among peasants and workers in numerous other countries, such as Turkey, Peru and the Philippines. The Maoist parties active in Nepal and India date back to this imaginary period when the Chinese ducked for cover. If anything, the current distaste in PRC for such ideological struggle on the world stage is a relatively recent development. I suppose that might be congenial to anti-Marxists like this commenter.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Oct 5 2025 18:09 utc | 62

I want to ignore the ism breathers and go to the corner of the bar with 
Don Firineach | Oct 5 2025 16:59 utc | 43
and
John Merryman | Oct 5 2025 17:00 utc | 44
 
I would add to Don’s comment that I see China as insuring that individuals and organizations cannot acquire more power than the government.  That is why they control and structure finance to be a public utility and while raising the bottom of their society they insure that those at the top “do not get too big for their [or society’s] britches”.
 
John wrote

Back in those tribal societies, status would be a function of what one added, one’s responsibilities. With these nation states of hundreds of millions of people, status is a function of what one can extract, one’s rights.

 
I see the instantiation of barbaric patriarchy by monotheism as the declension point of the difference you describe.  I also associate this with the growth of human hubris projected from patriarchy…always having an answer because they are in charge….and being a bully about any challenge to their hegemony….might-makes-right.
 
Are we seeing a serious might-makes-right challenge to my God Of Mammon cult by the China/Russia axis?  This watershed event seems to be taking form before our very eyes but until then the shit show continues……

Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 5 2025 18:17 utc | 63

@ LightYearsFromHome | Oct 5 2025 18:03 utc | 57
 
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I am constantly amazed (and grateful) that the Colombian military hasn’t couped and assassinated him. Can anyone explain that?

Posted by: malenkov | Oct 5 2025 18:24 utc | 64

Perhaps an addition.
To be more precise, the filioque issue was the official cause of the separation between the two churches.
The unofficial cause was the self-proclamation of the Bishop of Rome as superior to the other four bishops of the five churches at the time.
Thus were born the Roman Catholic Church and the Orthodox Church.

Posted by: Sebgo | Oct 5 2025 18:36 utc | 65

 persiflo | Oct 5 2025 12:51 utc | 2
 
You put the level of conversation well above my blue collar hands on mind but have been reading through the comments. The European thinkers. Thinkers and theories. Marx and Engels a the communist manifesto.
 
I guess I think in terms of the basics of Human existence. Food, water, shelter from the elements if required and continuance of the species.
 
Communism needs to be broken into two parts. Socialism and the commune. Quite different things.
Philosophy and political thinkers. If we move away from the grand chessboard, is there a difference?  Both are theories on things human. 
Every society requires socialism to thrive, yet it is very dependant on culture of a people as to whether the commune works. Much of the old world is multi ethnic and the commune system does not appear to work in multi ethnic nations.
China is Communist in government structure only. Russia is American capitalist in government structure only. Both are socialist and in both, the people are prospering.
I guess this is quite different to your post but just some thoughts I had when reading the comments that came after yours. I guess what we see in current Russia and China is hands on working stuff whereas early communism was  European theory. Both Russia and China have kept the good and discarded the unworkable.
 

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 5 2025 18:36 utc | 66

Sorry, my comment at 64 about “filioque” was a reply to :
 
Posted by: malenkov | Oct 5 2025 17:44 utc | 50

Posted by: Sebgo | Oct 5 2025 18:40 utc | 67

@ Sebgo | Oct 5 2025 18:36 utc | 64
 
Exactly!

Posted by: malenkov | Oct 5 2025 18:46 utc | 68

 psychohistorian | Oct 5 2025 18:17 utc | 62
Russia and China require might to deter the might makes right empire. Russia, China, Iran miltech is far in advance of the wests antiquated cold war systems. Iran is the weak link though as it does not have nuclear deterrent.
Russia put its nuclear forces on full combat alert in the first days it set out to face down the abyss. Speak softly and carry a big stick.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 5 2025 18:53 utc | 69

Peter AU1 @ 58

Around the world, the tide has turned. Acceptance of American imperialism is gone.

I wouldn’t go that far, not to discount his integrity but the only certainty is that Petro’s assets aren’t fully tied into the western banking system and that his kids aren’t studying at a USA or UK university and planning for a lucrative career in a big western business, and for now no one has stopped him in the supermarket parking lot and shown him pictures of his wife at the gym, his mom hanging laundry in the yard, and his dad picking up his grandkid at school. That’s not the case with 99% of the leaders and underlings of the rest of the world with the exception of the usual suspects China, Russia, Iran, Venezuela, Cuba, DPRK, Burkina Faso and Mali, the free nations, that’s about all you can count on to truly resist. I’m not being doom and gloom just delivering the cold, hard facts. But yes, all respect to Petro.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Oct 5 2025 18:58 utc | 70

 LightYearsFromHome | Oct 5 2025 18:58 utc | 69
 
I understand what you are saying. Like with all things I guess, time will tell.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 5 2025 19:08 utc | 71

psycho 62;
 I tend to see monotheism as more an effect, than a cause. I think the real issue is the “Go forth and multiply” having reached the edge of the petri dish and we have to come to terms with the earth being round, not flat. As in, “What goes round, comes round.”
 When societies existed basically in nature and defined by those tribal cultures, it was more organic, for better of worse. Over the last several thousand years, we have grown populous enough that it’s now nation states, largely defined by their borders with other nation states. With the various empires as intermediate stages. Several thousand years might seem like a long time, but in evolutionary terms, it’s little more than an eye blink.
 So government is the nervous system of these entities, while money and banking are blood and the circulation system. In the West we have public government, but private banking, which means the banks own and control everything. They are having their, “Let them eat cake” moment.
 As mentioned, Russia and China have effectively gone back to private government, with Putin and Xi as respective CEO’s, in order to keep their oligarchs in check and ours at bay.
 The problem with banking in control is the operating thesis is greed. The effect is social sepsis. Bacteria and modern economics operate on the same infinite growth formula. The problem is when they reach boundaries, they collapse. So the advantage of multicellular organisms is being able to sense and navigate their situation.
 But have neutered the political system, this is impossible. The puppet masters have been firing the smart ones that wouldn’t do what they are told and hiring the dumb ones that would for so long, that finally the crazies have come along and pushed the idiots out of the way, to grab the levers of power themselves. But that only speeds up this swirl into the abyss.
https://johnbrodixmerrymanjr.medium.com/last-train-to-memphis-fb18d0b7378e

Posted by: John Merryman | Oct 5 2025 19:19 utc | 72

MOATS, with George Galloway: ‘Peace Countdown’
 
https://www.youtube.com/@GeorgeGallowayOfficial
 
“Trump’s Middle East gamble – Gaza under fire – the world on edge.”
 
With Max Blumenthal & Dr Annelle Sheline.

Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 5 2025 19:20 utc | 73

Life is a gamble. I dug a number of holes looking for opal. Far from any opal fields, most of them nothing. Then in one I hit a pocket. The best of it was bright in the twilight.
Similar with the political world. Support those who profess good – perhaps many will turn out to be empty holes, but sometimes or sometime, you will hit the pocket of gems.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 5 2025 19:21 utc | 74

 John Merryman | Oct 5 2025 19:19 utc | 71
 
We have not so much reached the edge of the petri dish. The new age snag and current alphabet agenda have brought procreation to well below subsistence levels. The so called west relies on massive immigration to maintain demographics.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 5 2025 19:33 utc | 75

james” ( Oct 5 2025 15:55 utc | 28 ):I noticed you said you had an unfamiliar computer tablet or something like that in some comment and the link wasn’t too hard to find (it’s not in the search engines yet), anyway I think it is interesting too now that I’ve read it. I haven’t checked sources to see if it’s right or anything but maybe those more interested can do that?
 
Also since you’re in Italy I want you to enjoy Italy, I’m envious (but in a supportive manner). No I am not Italian XD
 
Johan Kaspar” ( Oct 5 2025 16:19 utc | 34 ):Something like that although I think that conversation would happen at a level above the recipients, maybe two. I can only guess.
 
· · · · · · ·
 
The (very political) philosophy discussion makes me scream like some kind of demon, throw my arms over my head, wave them frantically like tentacles on fire, and run out of the room! (Hopefully through the door).
 
Bye (for now) but please continue now that I’m gone lol and get it out of your systems and find some agreement with some miraculously sensible solution like “everyone is wrong” (because everyone is wrong, including me) :3
 
I’ll be quaffing +3 blessed water (sparkly) and +1 spirits while I’m gone…
 
 

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Oct 5 2025 19:46 utc | 76

gustavo petro gets my vote.. kudos..he must be pretty fearless to say and do what he does..  that is real leadership on display..  not being dicked around, trumpdick..  good for him.  wonder how long he stays in the game?  
 
@ don firineach @ 43 and john merryman @ 44.. 
 
i wanted to thank you for saying all that.. i am much like peter au..it is mostly over my head and instead of studying ideology, i am busy living it, mostly as an ideadist who keeps on being disappointed with the actions of people most, but not all the time..
 
i figure it is actions and not words, that speak the loudest.. they do for me..  consider trumps words verses his actions..  it is a very mixed bag, but it seems the billionaires and zionists always get his undivided support..  he can say all he wants.. that is what i see..  
 
i like lao tzus philosophy..i like jesus philosophy too..  these more modern cats you all talk about are too deep for me.. 

Posted by: james | Oct 5 2025 19:47 utc | 77

@ 75 sunny runny burger
 
i have never told you i really dig your name here..  makes me laugh and that is a good thing! 
 
thanks for saying all that.. italy is beautiful and the people are nice, but i say this based on a superficial view and experience as that’s all a 3 week holiday where i don’t speak the language, can be..  the food is very enjoyable..  the history and art has been very educational and beautiful via the museums and performances we’ve seen..i consider myself fortunate to experience all this..
 
i see some negatives, mostly an immediate byproduct of tourism, that is on display as well..  a part of me longs to find quietude outside the experience of travelling for 3 weeks like this..  we mostly stay in 1 place for a week at a time which is good.. we aren’t trying to see everything and we are trying to avoid the tourist spots mostly for obvious reasons..
 
thanks for your kind thoughts!

Posted by: jamesp | Oct 5 2025 19:57 utc | 78

p on myname was a mistake.. i actually learned typing in school and it is impossible to replicate the experience on an ipad…this one finger approach is the opposite of what i am used to..

Posted by: james | Oct 5 2025 20:01 utc | 79

The nomadic tribe of Hebrews and their beliefs. Jesus a historical figure was a Jewish prophet.  Mohammad another historical  figure was a Jewish prophet. Human imagination and longing for spirits. A father figure to guide them.
 
Sunni and Shia parted,  Rome and Constantinople parted. Wot a mess. I do not have a religious bone in my body but I think about things.
 
What is occurring now runs deep. Constantinople Russia partnering with non Abramatic China  vs the Roman west.
 
Constantinople partnering with Shia Iran…. 
 
An odd world
 
 

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 5 2025 20:02 utc | 80

As so far no one has  commented on my comment at 41,  (unless it is Peter AU with his insight that Russia has phoenix-like aspirations) I will continue with my own thoughts:-
 
Persiflo,   while giving the philosophy of Heidegger a negative cast,  you do nonetheless admire the term  Dasein ,  here-being.    I like it as well,  since for another German born philosopher,  Martin Buber,  that is the concept I think he uses when Moses asks God: “Who are you?” and God answers, (as commonly  translated) :  “I am that I am”.  Which Buber interprets to mean: “I am the one here with you, the one who is to be with you on your coming journey” (words to that effect).  It’s a good interpretation I think, given the circumstances of here-ness and being-ness continuing on in the text.  I’ll broaden that interpretation out into an understanding which fits with the new philosophy that Putin is describing in his Valdai speech,  wherein he has said:  “The world looks dull when it is monotonous.”
 
And so,  I can’t help comparing also  Faust’s use of the question addressing Mephistopheles, and then the latter’s answer (he’s more eloquent than God was,  gives an exact answer):
 

“…who are you, then?”
    “I am part of that power which eternally
wills evil and eternally works good.”
                                           Goethe,  Faust

 
As to what Pushkin had to say,  there is a quality of ‘here-being-ness’ in that poem that bridges the gap between ‘then’ and ‘now’ for Putin.  If anyone can give me the original Russian I might attempt a better translation of the poem than the one I’ve been able to find so far.  I do have several Russian dictionaries so I think I could make a stab at it.  Or, if you have a better translation yourself,  please do have at it.  The title of the poem is  “The Borodino Anniversary”.
 
The  Dasein of the ‘filioque’ is that it is a later addition to the Creed,  so is not ‘here’ in the original nor in the Gospel texts.  Also, with respect to debt,  broader consideration of the Lord’s prayer is to be found in the Gospel of Luke.  All four gospels are held by the Orthodox to have the greatest Scriptural resonance in unison, in their entirety.  Dasein,  the beautiful term,  belongs to them all.  

Posted by: juliania | Oct 5 2025 20:03 utc | 81

james | Oct 5 2025 20:01 utc | 78 
I am like a wood pecker on a keyboard. Have a great deal of trouble on a touch screen. Probably too cold blooded. 
My youngest daughter though, she would smack both hands down on a keyboard and a number of words would pop up. Alas, she is now a system pig. Like all my former family, true believer in MSM bullshit. Hi up position in some multi national company. Follow the manna.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 5 2025 20:10 utc | 82

 juliania | Oct 5 2025 20:03 utc | 80
 
I am blue collar so persiflo’s thoughts, no detriment to him, were gobbly gook to me. Perhaps it is not what persiflo was thinking but you put it in somewhat pragmatic laymans terms. 

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 5 2025 20:21 utc | 83

Posted by: james | Oct 5 2025 14:24 utc | 12

The level of hatred fanned in Germany towards Russia these days by the politics-media cabal is appalling. And only in Germany professional speech puppets manage to do so while shedding tears for the holocaust on live state TV.
 
History will demand Germany repent and beg Moscow for forgiveness.

Posted by: Nervous German | Oct 5 2025 20:35 utc | 84

735 am here now and has been daylight  for nearly an hour. The threads as usual die when daylight comes. A lot of interesting minds in the northern hemisphere. But like vampires, they disappear with the daylight.
Sometimes a few interesting minds come on during oz daylight hours but often quite dead.
 

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 5 2025 20:40 utc | 85

Nervous German | Oct 5 2025 20:35 utc | 83
 
Liverwurst and now banker Merz are once again leading Germany to its destruction.
I grew up in a small farming community. To think back on it now – Next door was a polish family. Bred like flies. A large family. But in that community – Turks, Germans, Dutch, Poms, and a number of others. A Turk family, their house burned down. The whole community went there. in just a couple of weeks the rubble had been cleared and they had a new house. Different times.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 5 2025 20:53 utc | 86

Memories.
There was another turk family. A kid my age just up the road.  I was very young at the time but we were mates. He gets of the bus and there is a bit of a bump. The bus driver gets out, picks up the kid and carries him up to the farm house in his arms. The bus driver came back and drove us all home, but there were tears on his face as he did so.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 5 2025 21:02 utc | 87

Time to check out the Bears …. LIVE
 

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Posted by: Don Firineach | Oct 5 2025 21:06 utc | 88

Peter AU1 @85
 
Yeah, but they told polack jokes so according to a certain demographic in the West they are all horrible racists.

Posted by: William Gruff | Oct 5 2025 21:09 utc | 89

All the U.S. murderous warmaking plans – toward Iran, Russia, Venezuela etc. are largely driven by economic self interest (perceived in their twisted psychopath way) related to their shale oil industry. US shale oil is dwindling and suffering problems of water ingress. In less than a year most wells pump more than half water, less than half oil. It costs them 90 dollars a barrel to extract.
So USmob needs oil prices to be high. So their obvious and instinctive response is to f**k up as many oil producers as possible. 

Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Oct 5 2025 21:13 utc | 90

William Gruff | Oct 5 2025 21:09 utc | 88
 
A different time, a different place. I look back now….. It was very much a community.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 5 2025 21:22 utc | 91

William Gruff 
 
I was born on Christmas day 1960. As a child growing up in that community, no one wanted war. My forebears were offshored in the 1850s, but that community was people getting away from European wars.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 5 2025 21:29 utc | 92

There was one family I only knew of a the Smiths. They had come out prior to WWII. It was in my mid teens they changed their name back to Schmidt. The common man does not want war.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 5 2025 21:55 utc | 93

The common man does not want war.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 5 2025 21:55 utc | 92

 
This. Exactly what Lavrov and Putin keep on saying about the EUropeans and their so-called élites. While EU media have a rough time finding forced recruitment happening in Russia (it doesn’t), the propaganda showing happy fellas voluntarily joining, for example, the Bundeswehr is quite revealing. Not quite the best of the crop, to say the least. Und das ist auch gut so.

Posted by: Nervous German | Oct 5 2025 22:07 utc | 94

@ Fool Me Twice | Oct 5 2025 17:46 utc | 52
 
Thanks for the Aldo Moro references.
 
On another subject, I commented upthread about the prophecy of a US American immigrant from South Africa named Kim Clement (now deceased) that a 21st century Esther would arise, and some folks hailing Erika Kirk as this Esther of ours. The story of Queen Esther, in the eponymous Hebrew Bible book, is horrifying but also surprisingly salient, and well-crafted for a really really old novelette. This opinion of the book accords with my own:

Esther is nothing but Jewish persecution porn and should not be in the canon. Athanasius in the 4th century (you know, the big Trinitarian saint at the council of Nicea) in his canon list put Esther in the APOCRYPHA. A story about a secular Jewish uncle who puts his niece in a filty beatury pageant where 100s of women sleep with the king hoping to become his queen, and nobody ever mentions God the whole book. A fake resurrected Amalekite enemy, Haman….remember both Saul AND David already wiped out ALL the Amalakites, so how in the world is Haman an Amalekite, yet here he is in this fictional propaganda story of a feminist slut saving the race without God’s help from the evil goyyim who always want to kill the Joos for noooooo reason at all. The book is not scripture. Its as Apocryphal as the similar story of Judith, another feminist story, the hot Jewess sleeping with the enemy general and then chopping his head off while his pants are still down, and then just leisurely strolling out the enemy camp without anyone trying to capture her. These are propaganda books to train the Jews to hate us, but especially Esther, which is the most important book in the OT to the Jews in actual fact, and many Jews have never read any of the OT but Esther.

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Oct 5 2025 22:09 utc | 95

Nima – 30 mins

Col. Wilkerson, Richard Wolff & Michael Hudson: Iran War Is Now IMMINENT: The Point of No Return

 
Col. Wilkerson, Richard Wolff & Michael Hudson: Iran War Is Now IMMINENT: The Point of No Return

Posted by: Don Firineach | Oct 5 2025 22:14 utc | 96

 Don Firineach | Oct 5 2025 22:14 utc | 95
 
Make or break for the anglo empire Don. 

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 5 2025 22:19 utc | 97

I’m not good at remembering names, but the Indian diplomat and thinker thought Putin had sophisticated thinking.
China leadership also has sophisticated thinking.
Current western political thinking? A total mess. And they think they are going to take down Russia and China. If I wasn’t drinking already, it would drive a man to drink.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 5 2025 22:39 utc | 98

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Oct 5 2025 15:36 utc | 23
 
Not sure why there is a need to create a new conspiracy theory to credit Mossad with the execution of Aldo Moro. 
 
Posted by: Fool Me Twice | Oct 5 2025 17:46 utc | 52

 
I had the same thought as you did when I read that.  First thoughts are: it just muddies the waters, and it plays into the “everything bad is Israel’s fault” alt-media zeitgeist of the moment, while simultaneously excusing the CIA and the US.  

Posted by: ThouShalt | Oct 5 2025 22:41 utc | 99

“everything bad is Israel’s fault”
@ ThouShalt | Oct 5 2025 22:41 utc | 98
 
Speaking of which, we see an historic consensus quickly solidifying among young conservatives in USA regarding who’s behind Charlie Kirk’s highly professional public execution:

Was it an act of respect or a graphic warning when Benjamin Netanyahu gave Donald Trump a golden pager during his visit to the White House? Was it a word of accomplishment or a word of warning when Netanyahu told the 250 Israel-supporting U.S. State legislators who were being wined and dined (and indoctrinated) in Israel, “Do you have cell phones? Do you have cell phones here? You’re holding a piece of Israel right there.”
Israel has been a violent aggressor/terror state since the day it was created in 1948. And today its violent aggression and terrorist activity have risen to the stratosphere of the most evil, violent regimes of human history.
Only Charlie Kirk and his brand of young evangelical Trump conservatives remained blind to the truth about Israel. Most of the others under the age of 35 are now ardent opponents of the Zionist state. That doesn’t bode well for Israel’s future. And then to learn that the scales were coming off the eyes of Charlie, and if he followed in the footsteps of his good friend Candace Owens, well, Israel was not going to let that happen.

 
Israel Did It; Prove Me Wrong
https://chuckbaldwinlive.com/Articles/tabid/109/ID/4860/Israel-Did-It-Prove-Me-Wrong.aspx

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Oct 5 2025 22:57 utc | 100