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October 19, 2025
Palestine Open Thread 2025-244
News & views related to the war in Palestine …
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“WHAT THE WOUNDS ARE TELLING US” Posted by: WMG | Oct 21 2025 12:24 utc | 201 DW: Prof Mohammad Marandi Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 21 2025 12:28 utc | 202 White Colonialism is alive and well: Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 21 2025 13:49 utc | 203 this would LEGALISE the Israeli occupation replacing decades of ICJ rulings. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 21 2025 14:04 utc | 204 Thank you to resisting barflies. Posted by: stranger | Oct 21 2025 14:09 utc | 205
That article’s findings would be described as yet another Blood Libel by Netanyahu Posted by: exile | Oct 21 2025 14:12 utc | 206 Stranger, Posted by: exile | Oct 21 2025 14:16 utc | 207 Thank you to resisting barflies. Posted by: stranger | Oct 21 2025 14:17 utc | 208 Yes, exile could post up his methodologies and sources. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 21 2025 14:17 utc | 209 Yes, exile could post up his methodologies and sources. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 21 2025 14:20 utc | 210 Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 21 2025 14:17 utc | 210 Posted by: stranger | Oct 21 2025 14:34 utc | 211 Forgot, For Exile and Arch Posted by: stranger | Oct 21 2025 14:39 utc | 212 Journalist Youssef Fares “Government Media Office: The total amount of humanitarian aid that has entered the Gaza Strip since the ceasefire took effect is only 986 trucks, out of 6,600 trucks that were supposed to enter by Monday evening, October 20, 2025, according to what was agreed upon in the text of the resolution” @192 india-guy My view swings between yours or Vanessa’s , which could be called charitable, to fully compromised and complicit, which might be called realistic. In my opinion, both realities will exist, it just depends which anyone prefers or where they focus their attention. Not calling out genocide, the murder of civilians, from their position on the world stage, erases any credibility with regard. Russia cannot hide behind the excuse ‘It was the big bad west sponsoring the slaughter’ when they ‘Didn’t even notice that the slaughter was occurring’. That excuse might make for a political competition to grab attention, but is in reality simply a ‘fail’, and will remain understood as one. It would take a revelation along the lines of ‘Russia was not in charge of its actions, the population was under censored dictatorship’ to overturn that view, and even that would not be accepted by many, so blatant is the ‘error’. Unfortunately, for the western aligned Russian opposition, their westernised basis is no better. It would be a travesty anyway, to use mass murder as tool for domestic political point scoring, as opposed to calling it out in proper time, i.e. while it was under way. I guess they all get something out of it, which is disturbing to know. Posted by: Ornot | Oct 21 2025 14:43 utc | 213 Posted by: Ornot | Oct 21 2025 14:43 utc | 214 x
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OK Cancel Signer.Digital x Current Domainis trying to detect smartcards connected, or read certificate or use key for signing/encryption. Please select your option. Website Posted by: india-guy | Oct 21 2025 15:03 utc | 215 Sorry for the garbage at the end of my last post (216). It was not my doing! Posted by: india-guy | Oct 21 2025 15:05 utc | 216 https://www-ozgurpolitika-com.translate.goog/haberi-esada-darbeyi-rusya-organize-etti-198558?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp Posted by: stranger | Oct 21 2025 15:24 utc | 217 I meant to say, when Putin was referring to a Fatboy lovingly as +Donald+ in dushanbe, he was trying to show off. To stans, as I am so close to the Fatboy. Posted by: stranger | Oct 21 2025 15:33 utc | 218 to exile 201 you may have seen this. Seems like Navy Seals go rogue from time to time. To those who haven’t watched this video, lot’s of details and evidence about who funded and ordered the failed Maduro coup during Trump 1.01. And who were the grunts who did the dirty work and now are whining about being the fall guys. Dudes: live by the mercenary sword, etc etc. Turns out the “Nobel Piece” Ms. Machado has been trying to coup Venezuela since 2002. https://sovereignista.com/2025/10/17/jordan-goudreau-exposes-us-govt-role-in-disastrous-venezuela-coup-plot/ Posted by: Formerly Miss Lacy | Oct 21 2025 17:36 utc | 219 I see no reason to comment at length on this – it speaks for itself. There is a special place in hell…..
Posted by: teri | Oct 21 2025 17:41 utc | 220 stranger, Posted by: exile | Oct 21 2025 17:43 utc | 221 Formerly Miss Lacy, Posted by: exile | Oct 21 2025 17:46 utc | 222 A horrifying video shows masked Israeli settler terrorists assaulting an elderly Palestinian woman during the olive harvest season in Turmus Ayya, near Ramallah. They beat her with clubs; she lost consciousness and was rushed to the hospital. Posted by: teri | Oct 21 2025 18:45 utc | 223 “What next? You gonna ask for proof of a genocide in Gaza?” Posted by: David G Horsman | Oct 21 2025 19:09 utc | 224 The recent Hamas statement exerpted below underlines the position Hamas has chosen to maintain, which coincides with the original ceasefire terms, as well as the current ones. In lay terms, that is to say it expects outside guarantees of no reinitiation of violence to be fulfilled, goods and aid to be allowed to enter as stated/offered, until phase two is agreed upon, which as far as I know has no fixed timeframe, is open ended, and negotiation could continue indefinitely. Hamas insists on right to retain arms and for governance to be decided locally. In contrast, we have “Israel” breaking ceasefire at choice, restricting entry of aid, and threatening to fully invade the remaining areas of Gaza to ‘disarm Hamas and destroy tunnel infrastructure’, as so to impose a US formented directorate over the population. So it is a stand off, with Hamas determined to defend and rebuild the part of Gaza it represents, while “Israel” and co. will act to undermine that effort, not least because it stands as testament to “Israeli” atrocity, as opposed to ‘making all better’, as the US would sell its project. • Journalist Youssef Fares – “Hamas leadership delegation meets Turkish foreign and intelligence ministers in Doha A delegation from the leadership of the Islamic Resistance Movement (Hamas), headed by Mujahid Mohammed Darwish, head of the Leadership Council, met on Tuesday with Turkish Foreign Minister Hakan Fidan and Turkish Intelligence Minister Dr. Ibrahim Kalin in the Qatari capital, Doha. The movement’s delegation included members of the Political Bureau: Khaled Meshaal, Zaher Jabarin, Nizar Awadallah, and Sami Khater. During the meeting, the head of the Leadership Council of the movement reviewed the progress of implementing the ceasefire agreement in the Gaza Strip and ways to bring humanitarian and relief aid into the Strip. He stressed that the Israeli occupation is delaying the implementation of the terms of the agreement through its repeated violations in recent days, its failure to open the Rafah crossing for the travel of patients and the injured, and its prevention of the entry of humanitarian aid into Gaza. Darwish also affirmed the movement’s commitment to a complete ceasefire despite the enemy’s repeated violations…. [Emphasised] the importance of all forces and activities of the Arab and Islamic nation playing their role in supporting the steadfastness of the Palestinian people, especially in Gaza, which is suffering from the effects of the Israeli war of genocide. For his part, Turkish Foreign Minister Hakan Fidan affirmed Turkey’s firm position in supporting the Palestinian people and rejecting the Israeli aggression, stressing the need to oblige “Israel” to implement the ceasefire agreement, resume the entry of humanitarian aid, and immediately begin reconstruction…. Tuesday: 29 Rabi’ al-Thani 1447 AH Official Website – Full text in Arabic https://t.me/youseffares19/91928 – “Director General of the Ministry of Health in Gaza, Dr. Munir Al-Barsh: The occupation killed 1,772 medical personnel. The salinity of groundwater has reached 28 times the permissible international limit. There is no potable water in Gaza.” Posted by: Ornot | Oct 21 2025 20:19 utc | 225 DW: Col Larry Wilkerson Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 21 2025 23:38 utc | 227 see the 25-second video at the first link Posted by: michaelj72 | Oct 21 2025 23:57 utc | 228 Mahmood OD: ‘IDF Operations Under Full American Control’ Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 22 2025 0:24 utc | 229 boycott these mother-focking genocidal zionist freaks Posted by: michaelj72 | Oct 22 2025 0:28 utc | 230 EI: Is Turkey Doing All It Can For Palestine? Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 22 2025 0:37 utc | 231 Israel’s Zombie Economy (Part 1) Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 22 2025 0:44 utc | 232 R2R: ‘Kaja Kallas Queen of Genocide’ Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 22 2025 0:54 utc | 233 @218 stranger Thank you for that link, it is carries weight and meaning when talked from someone more closely involved in the matter. The Turkish position is hard to decipher. NATO and close to US, with its own ambitions, as far aa Syria and Iran and Hezballah are concerned they appear secondary to own (or even western) ambitions, yet it maintains ties with Qatar and Hamas and is (or appears) at odds with “Israel” (which has just said it will not accept Turkish troops in Gaza, also) while also supporting it economically. Also Russia to some degree . I don’t try to figure it out, too many lies, contradictions and inscrutible actions…they all seem to be competing yet they all seem to be working together as well. Maybe it can be put down to different levels of involvement. Money/trade vs geopolitical circuit vs political presentation to public vs military planning etc. etc. What is funny is that one theory advanced at the time was that the Syrian chain of command or troops were corrupted, or also that Sunni troops walked, or lack of morale. At the same time stories of how Iraq was invaded by US without great difficulty started to be circulated (basicaly corruption of command etc.) . I don’t know, but the article you link makes as much sense, more sense in fact, than other theories. Syrian govt. (Assad) silence is unusual, I might put it down to grace and so as not to stir unnescessary conflict , or it be taken for disgrace, given the level of criticism from some quarters, but it does seem like a coup of sorts, where anyone in position to speak of events is either captive or is threatened into silence. It is in all, a very confused, dark or unsettling, reality. Posted by: Ornot | Oct 22 2025 1:19 utc | 234 Invented by NYT et al, or are countries actually green lighting further “Israeli” aggression ? : Martyr journalist Ahmed Bakr al-Louh “The New York Times: Countries that have agreed to send troops to a peacekeeping mission in Gaza as part of the Trump plan are expressing concern about sending soldiers now, fearing they will have to fight against Hamas “for Israel,” because the organization has not yet disarmed and remains well-armed across vast areas. #Comment : You want more betrayals than this? Since the beginning of this aggression, all regimes have conspired to eliminate the resistance, and the rope of humiliation, betrayal, and shame continues and will haunt them in this humiliating historical era and will be recorded for generations to come” Posted by: Ornot | Oct 22 2025 1:36 utc | 235 Ornot 343 Posted by: Giyane | Oct 22 2025 2:56 utc | 236 237 Posted by: Giyane | Oct 22 2025 3:29 utc | 237 238 Posted by: Giyane | Oct 22 2025 3:34 utc | 238 see the 3:03 video at the first link Posted by: michaelj72 | Oct 22 2025 6:38 utc | 240
most illuminating 3 minutes of video, plenty of the violent hate filled ticket holders are (from their accents) Israelis. Also note, anyone under 45 is very likely a IDF weekend warrior who has participated in the genocide. No wonder they get bat shit violent so easily. Finally, note that the anti-genocide peaceniks are also Jewish. Posted by: exile | Oct 22 2025 7:28 utc | 241 Posted by: michaelj72 | Oct 22 2025 8:28 utc | 242 On a more positive angle to BDS, if you are outside The West think of it as”buying local”. Buy from local national vendors. Encourage your internal consumption instead of buying imported Western goods. 🙂 Yes, I see all of you eating your bullion spice mixes in your rice and noodle dishes. Better make sure they are not imports from massive transnational companies often headquartered in the West. Posted by: titmouse | Oct 22 2025 9:54 utc | 243 Al Jazeera English @AJEnglish Posted by: Menz | Oct 22 2025 10:04 utc | 244 Abier @abierkhatib
Al Jazeera dropped this last night: ‘documents show Itay Shukirkov involved in Hind Rajab’s killing holds Argentine citizenship’ She was 6. Hiding in a car. And this coward monster still fired. Posted by: Menz | Oct 22 2025 10:06 utc | 245 Drop Site @DropSiteNews
NEW: The World Food Programme says “we haven’t seen looting actually of our convoys since the ceasefire” as Hamas reasserts security control in Gaza. https://x.com/DropSiteNews/status/1980834104607166607
Posted by: Menz | Oct 22 2025 10:08 utc | 246 Radio news – Perfidious Albion sending troops into Gaza, in what has been described as civil military action. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Oct 22 2025 10:30 utc | 247 Ryan Grim @ryangrim
According to reporter Posted by: Menz | Oct 22 2025 11:00 utc | 248 Perfidious Albion sending troops into Gaza, in what has been described as civil military action. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 22 2025 11:03 utc | 249 By dropping countless megatons of bombs on Gaza, Israel has rendered it very dangerous terrain for its demolition crews. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 22 2025 11:06 utc | 250 Arch Bungle (250). Posted by: Republicofscotland | Oct 22 2025 13:30 utc | 251 I hope they tell Trump where to shove his deal – remember he had General Suleimani murdered in Iraq – the Yanks think they can kill anyone – anywhere, when they want to. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Oct 22 2025 13:35 utc | 252 One the last sentence – they say it because its TRUE. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Oct 22 2025 13:37 utc | 253 Another foreign countries parliament – thinks it has some sort of sovereignty over another country – its nothing more than illegal occupation – that the UN turns a blind eye to. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Oct 22 2025 13:40 utc | 254 Arch Bungle (250). Posted by: Republicofscotland | Oct 22 2025 13:47 utc | 255 british troops deployed to is ra heil hell Posted by: normal wisdom | Oct 22 2025 13:50 utc | 256 /cheep😀 Inspirational food for thought. Posted by: india-guy | Oct 22 2025 13:50 utc | 257 I’m under the impression – that the Zionists all but control the CIA – and the Whitehouse to boot. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Oct 22 2025 13:57 utc | 258 I’m no fan of any ayatollah, nor a theocratic state – nor any religion for that matter – but as a man and nothing else, his comment holds weight. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Oct 22 2025 14:01 utc | 259 Aw, Damn! I’d have like to seen Vance get his just desserts. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Oct 22 2025 14:03 utc | 260 More of Perfidious Albion in action. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Oct 22 2025 14:08 utc | 261 Check out this ugly evil b&stard. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Oct 22 2025 14:10 utc | 262 Re my (263) comment that b&stard Glass heads up an IDF unit – called the Vampire Battalion, that doesn’t wait for orders to kill any Palestinian – be it, man woman or child. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Oct 22 2025 14:17 utc | 263 Check out the flying pigs (Zionists) BDS. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Oct 22 2025 14:30 utc | 264 Posted by: exile | Oct 21 2025 17:43 utc | 222 Posted by: stranger | Oct 22 2025 14:49 utc | 265
Posted by: exile | Oct 22 2025 15:11 utc | 266
In Germany, Korea, and Vietnam they are still finding unexploded bombs, like all the time decades later Posted by: exile | Oct 22 2025 15:15 utc | 267 Journalist Sohaib Al-Masalma “Yedioth Ahronoth: The Civil-Military Coordination Center established by Washington in Israel” https://t.me/Sohaibpress/118132 Posted by: Ornot | Oct 22 2025 15:20 utc | 268 (In fact, We hurl the truth against falsehood, leaving it crushed, and it quickly vanishes. And woe be to you for what you claim} – Al-Anbyaa 18) Posted by: JB | Oct 22 2025 15:32 utc | 269 Posted by: Ornot | Oct 22 2025 1:19 utc | 235 Posted by: stranger | Oct 22 2025 15:32 utc | 270 Posted by: JB | Oct 22 2025 15:32 utc | 270 Posted by: stranger | Oct 22 2025 15:47 utc | 271 who ordered the killing of Rajab Hind? was it Beni Aharon or Sean Glass? Posted by: fanto | Oct 22 2025 15:55 utc | 272
I’ve seen some methodologies described circa last year in the Ukraine thread but haven’t seen or missed any that were posted specific to Gaza. Posted by: drinky crow | Oct 22 2025 15:56 utc | 273
Arch and myself have laboriously tallied the daily IDF losses for nearly 2 years mostly based on combat footage. Our (admittedly rough) figures are buttressed by retired IDF General Officers. Posted by: exile | Oct 22 2025 16:15 utc | 274 It is true, drinky crow, that exile and Arch Bungle have been doing this for nearly two years on this site, as an ongoing tally. 🙂 And compared to the grossly misreported public Israeli military numbers (military censor and all), it uses the more rigorous methodology as mentioned above. It’s been quite the remarkable task over time for the good of truth. Posted by: titmouse | Oct 22 2025 22:47 utc | 275
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