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October 15, 2025
Palestine Open Thread 2025-241

News & views related to the war in Palestine …

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Live Blog – Day 743
 
https://www.palestinechronicle.com/live-blog-israel-kills-more-palestinians-in-gaza-as-witkoff-heads-to-region-day-743/
 
“Israel kills family of 11 in Zaytoun as Witkoff heads to region…:
 
Free Palestine – Down with USrael – Resist don’t collaborate.

Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 18 2025 13:23 utc | 301

I think it was essential that China and Russia – as leaders of the BRICS movement, among other things – show that they could help resolve urgent global conflicts, above all the Palestine- Israel conflict.  
Of course it is not simply up to them.  But I think they have covered themselves and their BRICS project with shame.   
Russia in particular continues to demonstrate blazing hypocrisy.  Putin’s meeting with Jolani was some kind of unspeakable nadir, but to be expected and praised given the insane clown world we live in.  
So Hamas is too terroristic to govern, but Jolani is not!  Reminds me of Zelenski being illegitimate, because unelected, but Abbas being the only legitimate leader of the Palestians, regardless of how unelected he is.  Meanwhile, Israel deserves “absolute” security, but it seems no one else does, most particularly the Palestinians.
 
Putin is famous for his realism and his opposition to ideology, but I think he shows just how crazy those attitudes can be when carried to extremes.  

Posted by: Paul | Oct 18 2025 13:28 utc | 302

see the 1:40 video at the first link
 
 
https://x.com/5Pillarsuk/status/1979135371490275653
5Pillars  @5Pillarsuk 
 
“Death to Arabs… We will take your girls, when we rape them we will shout today is death! 
 
With Aston Villa’s recent decision to ban fans of Israeli club Maccabi Tel Aviv, here’s a compilation highlighting their racist chants, slogans, misconduct, criminal damage, and links to the IDF.
 
—————-
 
https://x.com/malonebarry/status/1979351829755630059
Barry Malone  @malonebarry 
 
Hey everyone. It’s the winner of the Nobel Peace Prize chatting it up with the guy who’s wanted for war crimes by the International Criminal Court.
 
 
https://x.com/MariaCorinaYA/status/1979266417121009801
María Corina Machado  @MariaCorinaYA 
 
I spoke with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu today and thanked him for his warm congratulations to the people of Venezuela on our 2025 Nobel Peace Prize.
We Venezuelans deeply value peace, and we know that achieving it requires immense courage, strength, and moral clarity to stand against the totalitarian forces that oppose us….. BLAH blah blah
 
 

Posted by: michaelj72 | Oct 18 2025 14:44 utc | 303

The English Zionist MSM besides itself with rage that a Zionist football teams fans are not allowed to attend a game that coming up with a English club, the Zionist team in question is Maccabi Tel Aviv.
 
This Zionist team shouldn’t be allowed to play in any competitions period – with the Zio-Monster committing genocide – but the British government answers to its Zionist masters,  and is desperately trying to get the decision to stop the Zionist fans attending the game overturned.
 
Perfidious Albion in action.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Oct 18 2025 14:48 utc | 304

The paedo prince Andy Boy has decided to give up his Duke of York title, its not out of some sort of sense of decency, he has none, no its because a very damaging memoir is being released soon – and Andy Boy’s already beyond repair reputation would fall even further so trying to distance himself from the other sponging poncing parasite royals – is on the cards after a talk with daddy – (King Charles)  – who himself was a very close friend of the paedo monster Jimmy Savile. 
 
They say the apple never falls far from the tree. 

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Oct 18 2025 14:53 utc | 305

fans of Israeli club Maccabi Tel Aviv singing in Amsterdamm we will rape you (Arab Girls) and then drink your blood in the town square
is another blood libel 
note these fans are all IDF reservists or  regulars

Posted by: Exile | Oct 18 2025 15:04 utc | 306

Exile (307).
 
It makes an unwelcome change – from the Zionist settlers/occupiers squatting on Palestinian lands, who love to sing at every instance – May Your Village Burn.
 
A quick URL search of the title – propagates several renditions.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Oct 18 2025 15:12 utc | 307

Patrick Lawrence, against chutzpah:

There are many ways to think about what the Zionist regime has done these past two years, or about what prison guards did to Greta Thunberg, or how Israeli soccer fans behaved in Amsterdam or how Bibi shows off his power over the United States. There is history, there is politics, there is geopolitics, there is the inherent insecurity of a small nation in a region hostile to it since the violence associated with its founding. There is no dismissing any of this. 
But I have been convinced these past two years that something larger is at issue. Israel proposes to live and act in the community of nations, I mean to say, not according to law or what we know as morality or common forms of decency but according to what amounts to a biblically authorized project of subjugation and domination in the name of a righteous presumption of superiority. And with Zionist-nationalist fanatics now in control of the country’s direction, Israel has chosen this moment to insist that the world beyond its borders swallow this project as legitimate in the 21st century.

https://scheerpost.com/2025/10/17/patrick-lawrence-against-chutzpah/

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Oct 18 2025 15:12 utc | 308

“Cambridge Uni – has expelled a Palestinian girl student from her accommodation after an Israeli soldier who committed genocide in Gaza complained to them he doesn’t feel safe. ”
 
Perfidious Albion in action.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Oct 18 2025 15:33 utc | 309

‘There is history, there is politics, there is geopolitics, there is the inherent insecurity of a small nation in a region hostile to it since the violence associated with its founding. There is no dismissing any of this.’

This little paragraph and sentence presented as a quick snapshot to set the scene for the reader and all too common amongst writers – this only goes back so far or looks at things to a point and then stops.

This ultimately works in the interest of ‘Israel’ not only because it is factually incorrect but more importantly from the human psychology point of view is that it cements a particular view of things in the reader’s mind.

‘There is history, there is politics, there is geopolitics, there is the inherent insecurity of a small nation in a region hostile to it since the violence associated with its founding. There is no dismissing any of this.’

Let’s fix this:

‘The history and evolution here aren’t difficult as ‘Israel’ is in fact a hostile outsider which founded itself on violence and obviously the peoples of the area who lived in relative peace before the violent Zionization of the Middle East – accomplished with the help of the resources and military of the largely Zionized world governments and their cronies the world over including in the Arab and Muslim govts – of course these peoples are going to defend themselves.

And that defense is itself often violent, though it in no way, shape,or form equivocates with what the Zionists have done and continue to do.

And, again, the ‘violence’ of those resisting is in the interest of self-defense and self-preservation.’

‘Anytime someone says to me “Israel is our only friend in the Middle East” I have to remind them that we didn’t have any enemies in the Middle East until “Israel” came along.’

Posted by: Dan Kelly | Oct 18 2025 15:41 utc | 310

Ceasefire my arse.
 
The Settler/Occupying force squatting on Palestinian lands,  known as Israel can never be trusted – to uphold anything never mind a ceasefire – Hamas and Iran made a big, big blunder in agreeing to adhere to a ceasefire – the latter should’ve finished the Zio-Monsters whilst they had the chance, now the settler/occupiers who have been regrouping and rearming along with their Yankee/Brit/European/ Arab allies – to one day soon crush Iran for good.
 

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Oct 18 2025 15:41 utc | 311

Re my  (312) comment – I meant to add this.
 
“In a new violation of the ceasefire, Israel carried out a horrific massacre today against the Abu Shaaban family on the outskirts of Zaytun. Victims include: – Ihab Nasser Abu Shaaban (38) – husband -Randa Majid Muhammad Abu Shaaban (36) – wife -Nasser Ihab Abu Shaaban (13) – son -Jumana Ihab Abu Shaaban (10) – daughter -Ibrahim Ihab Abu Shaaban (6) – son -Muhammad Ihab Abu Shaaban (5) – son Also killed were his sister Samer Muhammad Nasser Shaaban (Abu Shaaban before marriage), her husband Sufyan Othman Shaaban, and their three children: -Nesma Sufyan Shaaban (12) -Karam Sufyan Shaaban (10) -Anas Sufyan Shaaban (8).”
 
 

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Oct 18 2025 15:43 utc | 312

Posted by: Exile | Oct 18 2025 15:04 utc | 307
 
#######
 
They are no longer (if they ever were) human, in my opinion.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 18 2025 16:15 utc | 314

If your not a Zionist -or a Zionist lover, the British government doesn’t give a f*ck about you.
 
The ‘Community Security Trust’ is a Mossad-trained Israel front group, which acts as a vector for Zionist foreign influence operations in Britain. The British government just gave them £10 million.
 
Shabana Mahmood MP (@ShabanaMahmood): “We face a rising tide of antisemitism throughout the UK. Now, up to £10 million in new funding will help protect Jewish communities – but we must go further to fight for a society that is free from hatred and violence. As your Home Secretary, I am committed to this fight.” | nitter.poast.org

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Oct 18 2025 16:36 utc | 315

As predicted, Israel has selectively re-interpreted the terms of the ceasefire. Where are the “guarantors’? 
Rafah crossing closed by order of Netanyahu:
“any decision to reopen the crossing will depend on ‘the manner in which Hamas fulfils its part in the return of the deceased hostages and in implementing the agreed-upon framework’.”
 
 

Posted by: jayc | Oct 18 2025 17:54 utc | 316

As a wee little bird, we have to be more conflict averse and pick the better part of valor. Knowing when to flee into the brambles is a useful survival trait. That said, it takes all voices to make the world, let alone its beer gardens.  Keep the BDS pressure going on, and be sure to slow roll your purchases in the West. Every “victory garden” counts in tethering the beast down. They don’t need our willing contributions in genocide, so withhold what you can. Reuse, Repurpose, Recycle. 🙂 
Posted by: titmouse | Oct 16 2025 20:07 utc | 224
the spooky spook from lookout mountain is back pretending to be a “wee” little bird” with a “victory garden” but is actually a American fowler from spook central
“/cheep” 
duck call. (the bugger doesn’t even try to hide it. an open enemy as they say.)
“According to Cherokee myth, Titmouse was caught lying to the people about how to kill a monster that was preying on them”
cheep cheep “old chap”

Posted by: public_service | Oct 18 2025 18:02 utc | 317

Movement is  building toward a tribunal for the war crimes in Gaza:  Iran has carefully catalogued the war crimes committed by Israel during the 12 day war – and is bringing the book to the ICC (and probably to the UN).  Hamas is moving toward the international community for accountability what appears to be Israeli organ harvesting from Palestinian prisoner bodies, their summary execution and the tank treads on many bodies indicating they were killed by running tanks over them.   No one is surprised that Netanyahu refuses to honor the ceasefire agreement; but this and actions in Lebanon and Iran portend an  attenuation of diplomacy as a strategy for resolution. Given that 120 countries have signed off on the illegality of the snap back sanctions occasioned by the EU exploiting a loop hole in the JPOA, inquiring minds wonder what momentum and action  these formal accusations will bring.  These are simply first steps – but one can anticipate that the Axis of Resistence holds an encyclopedia of receipts, waiting to be presented to the right tribunal at the right time.  See very little prediction on the part of IS/US/EU/UK on multi lateral actions on the part of the Axis of Resistence, analysis of their strengths and weaknesses and their implacable assumption of the moral high ground across a number of theatres of conflict.  The strategy of adhering to Geneva conventions et al is about to become a critical leverage against IS/US untrammeled violence, again, across a number of theatres.

Posted by: abierno | Oct 18 2025 18:41 utc | 318

Sohaib Masalmeh Channel

– “The Guardian, citing diplomats: Türkiye, Indonesia, Azerbaijan, and Egypt are expected to contribute primarily troops to Gaza”

– “Netanyahu orders the Rafah crossing to remain closed until further notice and until all dead prisoners are released.”

– “From the beginning, Israel wanted to stall the aid deal for Gaza. It won’t even allow reconstruction, and will exert heavy pressure under the pretext of disarmament, after previously being the pretext of handing over prisoners.

May God help the people of Gaza”

Note, the US military contingent of 200 is said by hebrew press (not confirmed) to plan to locate within Gaza.

Posted by: Ornot | Oct 18 2025 18:56 utc | 319

I only have a vague kind of assessment to offer at present:

The pause in hostilities continues in a fudged sort way, with delay of return of prisoners (fatalities) becoming an extension, a pressure point, as well as focus of attention, and phase two resolution is not being reported (and possibly remaining at the known stalemate).

There are various calls to alleviate the circumstance in Gaza, but evolution seems at minimums, or below promised even.

Conflict in West Bank appears to have increased, although similar has been occuring on and off for the last two years, causing over a thousand fatalities in that time.

“Israel” and co. have now focused on the disarming of Hamas . That is about all we hear of regarding phase two, from anywhere.

The international troop ‘offers’, the restraint in delivery of aid, entry of goods etc. all appear orchestrated towards putting pressure on Gaza, and the eventual taking of foreign control…really just an extension of the kind of political choreography we have had to watch for the last two years.

Undoubtedly, there are various activities, repositioning, new projects etc. under way even as all seems suspended.

Posted by: Ornot | Oct 18 2025 19:25 utc | 320

DH: Mohammad Marandi, Ali Abunimah & Lowkey
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMfvh-1ZJaw
 
“Netanyahu just attacked Trump, Israel is over.”
 
Let all work to make it so.

Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 18 2025 21:31 utc | 321

• Via pal74press

– “In the Name of God, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful

Press Release

Netanyahu’s decision to prevent the opening of the Rafah crossing until further notice constitutes a blatant violation of the terms of the ceasefire agreement and a denial of the commitments he made to the mediators and guarantors.

The continued closure of the Rafah crossing, the prevention of the exit of the wounded and sick and the movement of citizens in both directions, the prevention of the entry of special equipment needed for the search for the missing under the rubble, and the prevention of the entry of equipment and teams specialized in examining and confirming the identities of bodies, will lead to delays in the retrieval and

return of bodies. The occupation’s continued violations and attacks, which have so far amounted to more than 47 documented violations, leaving 38 martyrs and 143 injured, once again proves its aggressive intentions and the continuation of the siege policy against more than two million Palestinians in the Gaza Strip. The war criminal Netanyahu continues to fabricate flimsy pretexts to disrupt the agreement and evade his obligations.

We call on the mediators and guarantors of the agreement to take urgent action to pressure the occupation to open the Rafah crossing immediately, oblige it to abide by all the terms of the agreement, and stop its ongoing crimes against our Palestinian people in the Gaza Strip.

Islamic Resistance Movement – Hamas

Saturday: 26 Rabi’ al-Thani 1447 AH
Corresponding to: October 18, 2025 AD”

– “The US State Department claims that Hamas is about to “carry out an operation against the people of Gaza” and that the United States may take action to prevent this.

US State Department:

Hamas’ planned attack undermines the significant progress achieved through mediation efforts.”

• UN report

– UN Human Rights in Occupied Palestinian Territory: 1001 Palestinians killed in West Bank since 7 October 2023 – one in five are children

https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/un-human-rights-occupied-palestinian-territory-1001-palestinians-killed-west-bank-7-october-2023-one-five-are-children-enar

Posted by: Ornot | Oct 18 2025 22:06 utc | 322

Mahmood OD: Egyptian Led Forces To Gaza
 
https://www.youtube.com/@Mahmood_OD/videos
 
“ISF headed to Gaza| Turkiye & Qatar included | The second phase…”

Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 18 2025 22:06 utc | 323

Hi public_service! 🙂 I’m still a wee little bird, but I am not from spook central. Far too scary and mean spirited for me. But believe whatever you need to believe to get through the day.
/cheep
 
 
We have had a repeat forum name spoofer who tried to capture this forum repeatedly through paranoia and acrimony. Hopefully this new platform mitigates its games. I think everyone should be mindful about the energy people put out. Power’s edict “divide and rule” has not changed in millennia, so always be mindful who is setting out to divide — and instead make positive bonds. 🙂 Only our sweetness can counter power’s bitterness.

Posted by: titmouse | Oct 18 2025 22:18 utc | 324

RepublicofScotland 316
 
My MP, who silently replaced Liam Byrne.
More Jewish than the actual Jews.

Posted by: Giyane | Oct 18 2025 22:21 utc | 325

We have had a repeat forum name spoofer who tried to capture this forum repeatedly through paranoia and acrimony. Hopefully this new platform mitigates its games.
 
Posted by: titmouse | Oct 18 2025 22:18 utc | 325
 
 
_________
 
If only 😕… the linguistically challenged poster who’s burned through several dozen usernames is back as Esophagus and (specially to attack one of our number) Peter AU1Daughter — and one other username that appeared yesterday and escapes me. I’m also picking up the distinctively sulfurous odor of Jake Blanchard’s socks. Let’s face it: The site owner is no longer interested in moderating the site.
 
But I’m glad you’re back. I think you’re genuine.
 
 

Posted by: malenkov | Oct 18 2025 22:34 utc | 326

US warns of ‘Hamas attack against Palestinian civilians’, official statement:

https://t.me/youseffares19/91537

Posted by: Ornot | Oct 18 2025 22:39 utc | 327

JT: Vanessa Beeley
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgkjMMMryV8
 
“Putin-Al Jolani meeting explained: Russia-Israel axis reshapes Middle East.”

Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 18 2025 23:01 utc | 328

@327 Malenkov

I think the site is moderate, once the replies start to get curated then it becomes not far off an echo chamber – so for the few out to distract or confuse, it is worth putting up with to keep the few who have distinct pov …within limits, like what b can stand or if any commentators get very disruptive etc. So I think it is a good balance, at least on the threads I get around to reading.

mark2 is mark2

titmouse I appreciate the positive nature of, I don’t find the posts distracting

But you know, we tend to build up our own picture of who other commentators are … it has an air of fantasy to it even … it would be really funny to meet any in real life I think.

Those not appreciated do not have to be read, if they are and knowing they will cause disagreement, then maybe it is because anyone is looking for argument or just cannot tolerate another for a particular reason .

Even public_service for example, I take note just because it sets a counterbalance … i.e. it makes me think ‘what do I really know?’ … both could be a sock puppeting for example ! I take it as well meant, whether correct or over suspicious.

I tend to take comments at face value, and titmouse I find positive and encouraging to read… not much more I could add … disconnecting from the run run of modernity and how that changes understandings I could talk about, but not for this thread really.

I just go back to topic now, sometimes that is why I just don’t reply, i.e. not meant as shunning another. I think most commentators understand that is how communication is here mostly.

Posted by: Ornot | Oct 18 2025 23:18 utc | 329

@ Ornot # 328;
 
That statement put out by the State Dept. sounds a lot like they (US and Israel) intend to kill a bunch of Palestinians and blame it on Hamas.
 
 

Posted by: teri | Oct 18 2025 23:28 utc | 330

If they are far Right ideologues or Israeli,  they get a free get out of jail pass.

RAGIP SOYLU
 

s court hearing after he was let go by Trump administration. Of course he didn’t. OF COURSE

 
Diligent Denizen
 
Video of Tom Alexandrovich the Israeli official being arrested for trying to meet up with a minor child for s3x has been released. He was ALLOWED TO FLEE THE USA a day later.
 
 If it was a US citizen they wouldn’t be able to leave the state, much less the country!
 
Video (0:12)
https://x.com/ragipsoylu/status/1979487133758099513
 

Posted by: Menz | Oct 18 2025 23:50 utc | 331

Ben Norton
This Nobel “Peace” Prize winner, who is funded by the US government and is asking Trump to invade her country, also loves the genocidal Israeli regime and supports its wars on Palestine, Iran, and Lebanon. The Nobel “Peace” Prize is a tool of US imperial war.
 

María Corina Machado
 

I spoke with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu today and thanked him for his warm congratulations to the people of Venezuela on our 2025 Nobel Peace Prize. We Venezuelans deeply value peace, and we know that achieving it requires immense courage, strength, and moral clarity to stand against the totalitarian forces that oppose us. It’s no surprise that the Iranian regime—a key supporter of the Maduro regime in Venezuela—also backs terrorist organizations like Hamas, Hezbollah, and the Houthis. This alignment underscores the global nature of the struggle between freedom and authoritarianism.
 
Just as we fight for freedom and democracy in Venezuela, all nations in the Middle East deserve a future built on dignity, justice, and hope—not fear.
 
We hope that the full implementation of President Trump’s visionary plan will contribute to achieving a just and lasting peace in the region.
 
Ultimately, peace requires freedom, and freedom demands courage and strength.
https://x.com/BenjaminNorton/status/1979364935584092588
 

Posted by: Menz | Oct 19 2025 0:00 utc | 332

Hi malenkov! 🙂 You’ve always been the real deal for me. Thank you for the kind words and update about forum capture shenanigans.
 
 
And Ornot speaks wisely, thanks. Even if I am not the wee little bird of your imaginations (don’t get sad! 🙁 ) doesn’t mean that one should believe me blindly. I could be spoofed, or lapse into my worse nature, or have a blind spot giving a very uncharitable take. 🙂 Critical thinking protects us just as faith encourages us to make that leap. We are complex and need all that mix.
 
 
I will say the latest Max Blumenthal interview… was it Judge Nap?… about the returning order in Gaza is good to hear. Seems like the chaos agents and collaborators are being corrected. I believe Abu Alunimah was interviewed by Jeremy Scahill and commented as well this is a normal function of returning to order from ceasefires, and that the process of lawfulness returning to the land is proceeding as fast as it can. Due process is a little suspended because of war sieges and all, but what else can you do in such limited time and great exigencies.

Posted by: titmouse | Oct 19 2025 0:07 utc | 333

English Outsider | Oct 18 2025 12:49 utc | 299
*** That, as an aside, gutting Germany and Austria of their best. What was previously the intellectual powerhouse of Europe has remained something of a cultural backwater ever since. The flight causing that started immediately in 1933. It was evident to many Jews, though at that time not all, that leaving Germany was their best course of action. ***
 
Rather a questionable opinion asserted there in  the quote ….. consider some exceedingly malevolent influences which moved themselves Westwards. Profoundly ingrate self-‘chosen’ supremacist types who thereafter proceeded to knowingly wreck the countries and cultures naive enough to let them in. Or — as it will soon be compulsory to recite, with sycophantic deference thanks to bought politicians — those who so altruistically “saved” such hitherto deprived countries from being “cultural backwaters”.
Of course there were decent people who had to move as well (hence quite likely saving themselves from future disposal via the Zionist-Nazi pact, though they wouldn’t realise it at the time) … but that quote is basically a self-aggrandising insult by those akin to the Israeli genocidalists, and not the least bit decent.

Posted by: Cynic | Oct 19 2025 0:10 utc | 334

The Rafah crossing is now closed again.
What other crossings are open?
A clear violation of the ceasefire agreement just as many on this board have predicted.  The IDF and the Bibi War Criminals Cabinet have never obeyed a cease fire agreement in their history.
Again starvation used as a weapon.
The bodies of the remaining hostages were more than likely obliterated by IDF airstrikes………and yet the Gaza civilians are punished for the acts of the IDF.

Posted by: tobias cole | Oct 19 2025 0:16 utc | 335

The IDF has cut all relief supplies for Gaza?
So where are the vigorous protests from Sir Keir?
We are waiting…………………

Posted by: tobias cole | Oct 19 2025 0:22 utc | 336

The IDF has cut all relief supplies for Gaza?
So where are the vigorous protests from Sir Keir?
We are waiting…………………

Posted by: tobias cole | Oct 19 2025 0:26 utc | 337

@331 teri

It’s a very odd statement. It could just be distraction or to add to accisations, in prep for false flag, used where Hamas had to act to defend from militias or PA even.

I don’t know.

@329 john

Worthwhile interview to watch, that explains well and is a very credible perspective. Have not watched to end yet…she was cautious not to emphasise the possibility Russia might have been part of orchestrating the overthrow along with “Israel” , but recognised it as possible.

@299 EO

The point @Cynic makes is important. The wars seem to have destroyed europe’s evolution, not jews leaving.

The wars might be seen as extension of the competition under monarchic framework, along with innovative political currents, too large a topic to discuss here, but as some have written , appear to have been orchestrated in advance .

What is of note though is that there were earlier migrations from the region, most notably of Palatines, for example:

https://historyofparliament.com/2015/09/03/eighteenth-century-migration/

Early 18th century is an interesting turning point in British history, including change of monarchy.

Posted by: Ornot | Oct 19 2025 0:41 utc | 338

@ teri , on the US notification…

pal74press

“What’s meant: executions of collaborators and thieves in Gaza.”

And Ayman Hanideq expresses a similar view, also includes :

“Al-Karmel Hebrew News Website: The Israeli Consulate in New York has launched a new campaign in Times Square, highlighting Hamas’s executions of Israeli agents.”

(Possibly graphic…not watched)

https://t.me/NewsPs0/230602

Still not sure, just seems too absurd given that the thieves/collaborators/gangs/militias are actually acting against civilians in Gaza and encouraged by “Israel”.

Posted by: Ornot | Oct 19 2025 1:54 utc | 339

EO 299, Cynic 335 Ornot 339
And Otto Penn 301
Thanks English Outsider for your both contributions in this thread, the one at 252 and at 299. I have known Amb. Freeman since the Col. Lang’s SST.
Ambassador Freeman is indeed getting lately more forceful in his criticism of the USA’s duplicity. As we all are as the genocide is unfolding in this modern times, live on the screens of TV and cell phones. The young generations are getting upset seeing the lies of official media and the truth in internet.
EO, whom I know since the SST of Col. Lang, has been for many years an excellent and in my view very objective ‘guy’  in our unique ‘bar’. I therefore do not understand the harsh criticism by Cynic @ 335, when he imputes to EO some kind of  “… basically a self-aggrandising insult by those akin to the Israeli genocidalists, and not the least bit decent. Maybe Cynic skipped EO’s @252 and misunderstood EO . Or I misunderstand what Cynic says, little confusing all this.
The statement that Germany was abandoned by the best is true, many Jews and non Jews emigrated externally – some to Americas, some to South Africa, some to Turkey, and maybe other places I am not aware of,  but a large number could not leave and emigrated internally and kept low profile (this situation is well illustrated by another book about the Nazi-‘occupation of Germany’ in 1930s – it is “Der Totenwald” by Ernst Wiechert, a German who was in the Buchenwald concentration camp himself.)  There are similarities to USA today – many good minds simply shut up, afraid of repercussions by the regime. They are concerned about their financial well being, there is no threat of a “Buchenwald” for them yet. Many are “Mitlaufer” just as in any totalitarian society.
Otto Penn has good amplification of EO’s post about the fact that international Jewry has declared vociferous opposition against Germany before Nazi’s even got started. They seem to have based their opposition on careful and – ultimately correct – reading of Hitler program. But they acted in this way before that program was started, Otto Penn is correct to point this out, many people do not know about this.
The anti-semitism in post WW One Germany was fueled by the actual facts that Jewish bankers were calling the shots, as described by witnesses of those years, such as Frank Thiess in his novel “Der Leibhaftige” which came out in 1924, and which was banned by Nazis btw in 1930s.

Posted by: fanto | Oct 19 2025 2:30 utc | 340

Not at all an endorsment of her views on Islam but Ann Barnhardt with an anecdote when she was called by Netanyahu’s press secretary (after she had burned a Koran). They were in a good mood and mentioned to her they were all athiests https://youtu.be/EOXMGlTKKjE?t=1655  FWIW
 

Posted by: JustSomeOldGuy | Oct 19 2025 2:44 utc | 341

@Posted by: fanto | Oct 19 2025 2:30 utc | 341

Otto Penn has good amplification of EO’s post about the fact that international Jewry has declared vociferous opposition against Germany before Nazi’s even got started. They seem to have based their opposition on careful and – ultimately correct – reading of Hitler program. But they acted in this way before that program was started, Otto Penn is correct to point this out, many people do not know about this.

Behaving in ways that seemingly confirmed Hitler’s accusations was not a wise tactic unless the the Zionists wanted to light a fire under the feet of Jews so that they would emigrate to Palestine. There are many Jews that spit on the mention of Zionists/Israel as they blame them for precipitating The Holocaust.

Posted by: Otto Penn | Oct 19 2025 3:31 utc | 342

There are many Jews that spit on the mention of Zionists/Israel as they blame them for precipitating The Holocaust.
Posted by: Otto Penn | Oct 19 2025 3:31 utc | 343

one link I just found of interest
 https://www.etzion.org.il/en/philosophy/issues-jewish-thought/issues-mussar-and-faith/satmar-rebbes-understanding-reason

Posted by: Otto Penn | Oct 19 2025 3:53 utc | 343

So Occupied Palestine is back to committing genocide but not by bombing but by refusing to allow aid in.
 
How will the RoW react?
How will Hamas react?
How will Yemen react?
How will Hezbollah react
How will Iran react?
 
Or do we just get to watch a new phase of genocide?
 
The shit show continues until it doesn’t and putrid to describe it does not include the barbarism producing the smell.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 19 2025 4:05 utc | 344

Otto Penn 343
 
The whole point about Revisionist Zionists is that they decided , as European Jews , to copy Hitler’s completely mad  Nazism, in order to solve the Jewish problem of God’s Punishment by bamishment from Palestine.
 
Your cousin cones to see you from London. They follow the signs back to the Motorway but end up on the sliproad to Scotland and a 40 mile, stationary  queue.
 
Netanyahu’s madness has , through the patience and good sense of the international community, been exposed as Hitler’s, Nazi madness. 
 
One could say that Russia is the country that understands the disease of Nazism best, and knows from bitter experience that  Nazism  will destroy itself, which it  did, but which the Zionists in British and American custody after WW2 have Frankensteined  back to life by applying lightning bolts to its neck , for Colonial purposes in West Asia and Eastern Europe.
 
I have always said for two years that it’s impossible for God to give Judaism  back its Empire , through Nazism. It can only get back on track by first rejecting the racist disease of Nazism, and then addressing the racist disease which preceded their Exile by the  Babylonians.
 
A hell of a lot of humble pie , or crow in the US, to eat now.  Israel is facing  Charles Dickens ‘s  spontaneous combustion where the internal accumulation of methane  self-explodes.
 
Nutter, Smotter, Bugger and Scatty are completel crazy, Ukrainian  Nazis and Putin has always said that before he can deal with  (Trump’s) US  Ukrainian , bonkers Neocons, BonkerCons for short , in Ukraine, he will first have to deal with the BonkerCons in Tel Aviv.
 
The psychiatric Nurse must be careful not to get put into the straitjacket themselves. Lol

Posted by: Giyane | Oct 19 2025 4:29 utc | 345

see the video at the first link
 
see the 35-second video at the second link
 
 
 
https://x.com/SuppressedNws1/status/1979475720079351980
Suppressed News.  @SuppressedNws1 
 
⚡️🇵🇸🇮🇱JUST IN:  Israeli female soldiers threw a stun grenade at Palestinian journalists with clearly marked “PRESS” vests in the town of Kober, north of Ramallah.
 
 
————-
 
https://x.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/1979718577092801020
Max Blumenthal @MaxBlumenthal 
 
Jewish Israeli society has crossed into an uncharted territory of human evil and there’s no going back.
 
The European settlers who filmed this are proud of using babies to block aid to hungry Palestinians
 
———–
 
 
 
 
https://x.com/caitoz/status/1979515807903404433
Caitlin Johnstone  @caitoz 
 
They said the massacres would stop when Hamas released the hostages. The massacres haven’t stopped. 
 
Last year I banged out an angry rant about the way Israel supporters would yell “release the hostages!” at anyone who talked about the latest massacre of Palestinian civilians, saying Hamas was to blame for the killing because of their refusal to release the Israeli captives, and that it would all stop once the hostages are free. I’m remembering that essay today because the hostages are free, but the massacres are continuing. 
 
On Friday Israel reportedly blew up a vehicle carrying a Palestinian family of eleven people, including seven children. The IDF gave its usual excuse for the massacre: the civilians were deemed to have crossed an invisible line into a forbidden zone which made the Israeli soldiers feel unsafe. They did this exact same thing constantly during the last “ceasefire” as well. 
 
In my polemic last year I argued that the slaughter we were seeing in Gaza plainly had nothing to do with pushing for the release of Israeli hostages, and that even if it did it would still be barbaric to massacre children until your enemies caved in to your demands.   
 
But two years of genocide have made it clear that the Israeli military was never killing Palestinian civilians in order to push for the release of hostages or force Hamas to cave in to their demands. The Israeli military kills Palestinian civilians in order to kill Palestinian civilians. The killing is the goal, and it always has been. 
 
We see this illustrated over and over again, in all sorts of ways. Israel apologists always argued that the only reason the IDF had destroyed Gaza’s healthcare system with nonstop hospital attacks was because Hamas was using those hospitals as secret military bases. But then multiple independent reports from western doctors in Gaza confirmed that Israeli forces had been entering the hospitals after attacking them and systematically destroying individual pieces of medical equipment one by one in order to make them unusable. Hamas wasn’t the target in those hospital attacks, the hospitals themselves were the target. 
 
And now we are seeing the “Israel is killing people because Hamas has Israeli hostages” narrative debunked in exactly the same way the “Israel keeps bombing hospitals because there are Hamas bases in all of them” narrative was. The hostages are free, but the massacres continue.   
 
None of which will surprise anyone who was paying attention these last two years. Israel’s genocidal intent has been on full display every minute of every day, and it continues to be even during this joke of a “ceasefire” where the genocide was theoretically supposed to be on pause for a little while.
 

Posted by: michaelj72 | Oct 19 2025 5:47 utc | 346

 
https://x.com/georgegalloway/status/1979343166047424635
George Galloway  @georgegalloway 
 
Western support for Israel’s Genocide in Gaza is tearing their own societies apart. It is madness.
 
————–
 
https://x.com/MahmoudMassri15/status/1979637871989727534
Mahmoud Massri | مَحْمُود 🇵🇸  @MahmoudMassri15
 
The number of planes in Gaza’s sky now is greater than it was during the bombardment itself.
Something serious is happening… it feels as if they are studying every corner, searching for every movement, as if a massive attack is being planned against Gaza.
The sky is crowded with planes, and our hearts are crowded with fear and anticipation.
 
————-
 
 
https://x.com/CraigMurrayOrg/status/1979784091999285258
Craig Murray  @CraigMurrayOrg
 
Israel has:
killed Palestinians every day of the “ceasefire”
made its withdrawal line a killing zone 
declared it will retain a permanent “Buffer zone”
blocked fuel and heavy equipment to recover “hostage” bodies
 
Continued blockade of aid
 
Will soon resume full attack on excuse Hamas did not return bodies they could not access under rubble.
 
Israel never had the slightest intention of keeping the agreement once they had their POW’s back.
 
 

Posted by: michaelj72 | Oct 19 2025 7:08 utc | 347

They die every day:
 

‼️ Israeli media: Explosion in an engineering vehicle belonging to the Israeli “army” in the Rafah area south of the Gaza Strip
Two incidents reported in Rafah, one involving an explosive and the other sniper fire
Two Zionist soldiers killed in the security incident in Rafah and 2 others injured
 

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 19 2025 10:19 utc | 348

 https://x.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/1979718577092801020Max Blumenthal @MaxBlumenthal  …..The European settlers who filmed this are proud of using babies to block aid to hungry Palestinians

barflies – urge you all to watch the short video in the link. Lots to unpack including the intent to Hannibal a Jewish infant for PR. 

Posted by: Exile | Oct 19 2025 10:22 utc | 349

The Zio-Monster settlers/illegal occupiers squatting on Palestinian lands – use what looks like their own baby – pushing it in front in a pram –  to stop aid trucks getting their vital cargos into Gaza.
 
Watch the clip.
 
Monitor𝕏 (@MonitorX99800): “🇮🇱🇵🇸⚡- Israeli settlers are blocking humanitarian aid headed for Gaza using a baby to prevent the trucks from proceeding any further!” | nitter.poast.org

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Oct 19 2025 10:39 utc | 350

Shlomo Sand is professor of history at Tel Aviv University and author of the controversial book The Invention of the Jewish People
 
Arthur Koestler was a Hungarian- khazarian jewisher  British novelist, journalist, and critic, best known for his novel Darkness at Noon (1940).
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Posted by: normal wisdom | Oct 19 2025 11:42 utc | 351

Does anyone on this forum have a list of all the ceasefire violations by the IDF since the declared ceasefire?
 
Hamas states them as 47 at this time.
 
 
I could use that list …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 19 2025 12:58 utc | 352

Houthis deny latest ship attack. Interestingly usa groups had claimed the ship was ghost fleet for Iran. So it looks like Israel’s devious hands all over this one as it was loaded with Iranian LPG. 
Times of India 
<span;>A mystery attack on the Indian-owned, Cameroon-flagged LPG ship ‘Falcon’ near Yemen’s Aden Port on October 18 has taken a dramatic turn after Houthi rebels denied involvement, despite initial suspicion. The strike caused a massive blaze and left one crew member missing. According to Tanker Trackers, the vessel was carrying Iranian cargo loaded at Assaluyeh on September 25, reportedly bound for Yemen’s Ras Isa terminal to supply the Houthis. However, Iranian state media later denied any link to the ship. The ‘Falcon’, previously detained in Istanbul for safety lapses, was also flagged by United Against Nuclear Iran as part of Tehran’s “ghost fleet” evading sanctions. The attack coincides with Trump’s Gaza ceasefire deal and rising speculation that Israel may be framing the Houthis to reignite U.S. involvement. With multiple denials and conflicting reports, the mystery around the Aden ship strike deepens amid fragile Middle East diploma

Posted by: Hankster | Oct 19 2025 13:00 utc | 353

@ Ornot:
 
Yes, it appears that Israel is accusing Hamas of killing civilians, when they are going after the gangs that are funded and protected by Israel.  No doubt that Israel is the “source” of this “reliable information” that the State Dept mentions.
 
Here are some bits of information that reveal what has occurred:
 

Channel 12: Hamas forces launched a surprise attack on the Abu Shabab militia.
 
Fierce clashes are currently taking place between army forces and Hamas fighters east of Rafah.
 
[Israel’s] Army forces are currently protecting these militias, and airstrikes have been called in for cover.
 
Muhammad Majadla – Channel 12:
 
Israeli airstrikes hit Rafah in the southern Gaza Strip.
 
Israeli sources say the reason is Hamas’s violation of the ceasefire.
 
Sources in Gaza confirm that Israel tried to protect Yasser Abu Shabab’s militias.
 
Al-Qassam Brigades : We affirm our full commitment to implementing everything that has been agreed upon, foremost among which is the ceasefire in all areas of the Gaza Strip. We are not aware of any events or clashes taking place in the Rafah area, as these are red zones under the control of the occupation, and contact has been cut off with the remaining groups of ours there since the return of the war in March of this year, and we have no information as to whether they were martyred or are still alive since that date. Accordingly, we have no connection to any events taking place in those areas, and we cannot communicate with any of our Mujahideen there if any of them are still alive.
 
Netanyahu’s Office:
 
In light of Hamas’s violation of the ceasefire, Prime Minister Netanyahu held consultations with the Defense Minister and the heads of the security services and issued directives to take forceful action against targets in the Gaza Strip.
 
https://t-me.translate.goog/s/youseffares19?before=91575&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en
 
It is known that what happened today was against Abu Shabab’s agents, but Israeli sources say that the ambushes targeted the Israeli army.
 
i24 News, citing a security official:
The Israeli Air Force has so far bombed 20 targets in the Gaza Strip.
https://t-me.translate.goog/s/Sohaibpress?after=117891&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=e

 
A statement from Hamas responding to the US:
 

In the Name of God, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful 
 
Press Release 
 
Regarding the US State Department’s Statement on the Situation in the Gaza Strip
 
Hamas rejects the allegations contained in the US State Department’s statement and categorically denies the allegations leveled against it regarding an “imminent attack” or a “violation of the ceasefire agreement.” These false allegations are fully consistent with misleading Israeli propaganda and provide cover for the occupation’s continued crimes and systematic aggression against our people. 
 
The facts on the ground reveal the exact opposite. The occupation authorities are the ones who formed, armed, and financed criminal gangs that carried out murders, kidnappings, thefts of aid trucks, and robberies against Palestinian civilians. They have publicly acknowledged their crimes through the media and video clips, confirming the occupation’s involvement in spreading chaos and disrupting security. 
 
The movement affirms that the police forces in Gaza, with broad civil and popular support, are fulfilling their national duty in pursuing these gangs and holding them accountable according to clear legal mechanisms, to protect citizens and safeguard public and private property. 
 
The movement calls on the US administration to stop repeating the occupation’s misleading narrative and to focus on curbing its repeated violations of the ceasefire agreement, most notably its support for these gangs and providing them with safe havens within areas under its control. 
 
Islamic Resistance Movement – Hamas
Sunday: 27 Rabi’ al-Thani 1447 AH 
Corresponding to: October 19, 2025 AD 
 
https://t-me.translate.goog/s/gazanewsnow2021?after=217723&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en
 
 
 

Posted by: teri | Oct 19 2025 13:08 utc | 354

@Posted by: michaelj72 | Oct 19 2025 5:47 utc | 347
Yes, Netanyahu and his fellow genociders have from the beginning used the hostages as a smokescreen for ethnic cleansing. Heck, Netanyahu slaughtered hundreds of hostages (Hannibal Doctrine) on Oct 7th. Netanyahu doesn’t give a shit about the hostages, never has. Protests in Israel for the hostages were always ignored by Netanyahu. 
The hostages are and always have been a Netanyahu smokescreen, a smokescreen for his ultimate goal of ethnic cleansing.
The same goes for Hamas. They are a smokescreen for Netanyahu. If Hamas vanished overnight Netanyahu would still pursue his goal of ethnic cleansing.

Posted by: Otto Penn | Oct 19 2025 13:22 utc | 355

Netanyahu says he intends to run for prime minister again in the upcoming elections.  He follows that up by saying, “Our eyes are on Iran.”
 
Wonder if that will get him votes.

Posted by: teri | Oct 19 2025 13:36 utc | 356

JT: Laith Marouf
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kFqOlqlsNA
 
“Betrayal: Russia has made a serious mistake.”
 
“If it continues this way, all of us trying to inform the world that China and Russia are different, are going to run out of excuses how…If the only way China and Russia deal differently with other nations is to just stand and watch the slaughter, while selling weapons and materials to the ones that are slaughtering – well they may as well jump onto the wagon of imperial machinations and get it over with.
 
“In an interview Jolani told the world he wouldn’t have been able to take over [Syria] without the direct support of President Putin and Russia. I’ve been saying since the fall of the Assad government that it was Russia that handed Damascus over to Jolani; it was Russia that jammed communications of the Syrian military during the attack on Aleppo; it was Russia that bombarded the 8th Brigade as it left Latakia to enter Idlib; it was Russia that bombarded the Hezbollah convoys that were on their way to liberate Hama.
 
So the loss of Syria was coordinated with Russia. The Wahhabi death-squads that were besieged in Idlib didn’t have the manpower or capability to occupy the whole country without the intervention of Russia…This is a question that has to be put forward to everybody…”

Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 19 2025 13:36 utc | 357

A Recent Report Published Last Week By The Washington Post Disclosed New Details About The Gangs in Gaza That Are Fighting Hamas
 
https://x.com/dimitrilascaris/status/1979916055347626075
 
“The largest and best armed gang appears to be the Abu Shahab gang. In a video interview with WaPo, Yousef Mazen, a leader of the gang, boasted about arms and drone intelligence provided to Abu Shahab by Israel. Mazen even showed off a military watch that an IDF terrorist gifted to him…”
 
 
The United States has Informed the Guarantor Nations of the Gaza Peace Agreement of Credible Reports Indicating An Imminent  Ceasefire Violation by Hamas…’
 
https://x.com/BenFRubinstein/status/1979762321053638854
 
Hamas is dismantling networks of foreign-backed insurgents so the US is threatening to allow Israel to restart the genocide if they don’t stop. Subjugation is the only thing this ‘ceasefire’ offers Hamas…

Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 19 2025 14:46 utc | 358

 
RE: Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 19 2025 14:46 utc | 359
 
John G.. move it over to the new Sunday thread for Palestine.  people will be reading to and contributing to that thread more as the day goes on, and miss your valuable input…..

Posted by: michaelj72 | Oct 19 2025 14:52 utc | 359

Live Blog: Day 744 – Israel Bombs Rafah
 
https://www.palestinechronicle.com/live-blog-netanyahu-says-war-will-continue-as-hamas-delivers-two-more-bodies-day-744/#
 
Breaking – Israel bombs Rafah – Developing story. Israeli PM said the war will conclude only after the completion of the second phase of the ceasefire agreement, which involves the disarmament of Hamas...”
 
When do we get to the disarmament/dismantling of Israel part? Clearly it’s time for Palestine supporters, especially Americans,  to ratchet up the pressure.

Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 19 2025 15:37 utc | 360

@340 fanto

I appreciate EO’s contributions also, but criticism is fair here:

“Wholesale dismissal of Jews in a number of institutions and professions started straight away. That, as an aside, gutting Germany and Austria of their best. What was previously the intellectual powerhouse of Europe has remained something of a cultural backwater ever since.”

Directly implies jews as being ‘their best’.

This meme we are very tired of, that jews hold an intelectual superiority, and also appears as part of the antagonism that led to their persecution.

There are also good accounts of how Weimar inflationary policy (payment of unionised wages, government wages at inflation adjusted level) was responsible for the hyperinflation, along with hoarding of goods as reaction. The jews are said to have profited to an extreme in this environment, with accounts of the number of jewish owned shops for example completely taking over previously non jewish supplies. That was part of the reason for public rejection of jews also.

I explain that just as an example of what is not ‘superiority’, but profiteering, and of course some question if the whole episode was not purposefully inspired by ‘bankers’.

The monetary value settled again after it was tied to property, if I remember. It was not to do with reparations, the external balance regarding gold was intact and functionable, according to studies.

Anyway, how that view EO posted snook in , makes a reader question, or react (as @ cynic did).

Posted by: Ornot | Oct 19 2025 18:26 utc | 361