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October 15, 2025
Palestine Open Thread 2025-241
News & views related to the war in Palestine …
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Live Blog – Day 743 Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 18 2025 13:23 utc | 301 I think it was essential that China and Russia – as leaders of the BRICS movement, among other things – show that they could help resolve urgent global conflicts, above all the Palestine- Israel conflict. Posted by: Paul | Oct 18 2025 13:28 utc | 302 see the 1:40 video at the first link Posted by: michaelj72 | Oct 18 2025 14:44 utc | 303 The English Zionist MSM besides itself with rage that a Zionist football teams fans are not allowed to attend a game that coming up with a English club, the Zionist team in question is Maccabi Tel Aviv. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Oct 18 2025 14:48 utc | 304 The paedo prince Andy Boy has decided to give up his Duke of York title, its not out of some sort of sense of decency, he has none, no its because a very damaging memoir is being released soon – and Andy Boy’s already beyond repair reputation would fall even further so trying to distance himself from the other sponging poncing parasite royals – is on the cards after a talk with daddy – (King Charles) – who himself was a very close friend of the paedo monster Jimmy Savile. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Oct 18 2025 14:53 utc | 305 fans of Israeli club Maccabi Tel Aviv singing in Amsterdamm we will rape you (Arab Girls) and then drink your blood in the town square Posted by: Exile | Oct 18 2025 15:04 utc | 306 Exile (307). Posted by: Republicofscotland | Oct 18 2025 15:12 utc | 307 Patrick Lawrence, against chutzpah:
https://scheerpost.com/2025/10/17/patrick-lawrence-against-chutzpah/ Posted by: Aleph_Null | Oct 18 2025 15:12 utc | 308 “Cambridge Uni – has expelled a Palestinian girl student from her accommodation after an Israeli soldier who committed genocide in Gaza complained to them he doesn’t feel safe. ” Posted by: Republicofscotland | Oct 18 2025 15:33 utc | 309 ‘There is history, there is politics, there is geopolitics, there is the inherent insecurity of a small nation in a region hostile to it since the violence associated with its founding. There is no dismissing any of this.’ This little paragraph and sentence presented as a quick snapshot to set the scene for the reader and all too common amongst writers – this only goes back so far or looks at things to a point and then stops. This ultimately works in the interest of ‘Israel’ not only because it is factually incorrect but more importantly from the human psychology point of view is that it cements a particular view of things in the reader’s mind. ‘There is history, there is politics, there is geopolitics, there is the inherent insecurity of a small nation in a region hostile to it since the violence associated with its founding. There is no dismissing any of this.’ Let’s fix this: ‘The history and evolution here aren’t difficult as ‘Israel’ is in fact a hostile outsider which founded itself on violence and obviously the peoples of the area who lived in relative peace before the violent Zionization of the Middle East – accomplished with the help of the resources and military of the largely Zionized world governments and their cronies the world over including in the Arab and Muslim govts – of course these peoples are going to defend themselves. And that defense is itself often violent, though it in no way, shape,or form equivocates with what the Zionists have done and continue to do. And, again, the ‘violence’ of those resisting is in the interest of self-defense and self-preservation.’ — ‘Anytime someone says to me “Israel is our only friend in the Middle East” I have to remind them that we didn’t have any enemies in the Middle East until “Israel” came along.’ Posted by: Dan Kelly | Oct 18 2025 15:41 utc | 310 Ceasefire my arse. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Oct 18 2025 15:41 utc | 311 Re my (312) comment – I meant to add this. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Oct 18 2025 15:43 utc | 312 Nothing Perfidious Albion does anymore surprises me. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Oct 18 2025 15:48 utc | 313 Posted by: Exile | Oct 18 2025 15:04 utc | 307 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 18 2025 16:15 utc | 314 If your not a Zionist -or a Zionist lover, the British government doesn’t give a f*ck about you. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Oct 18 2025 16:36 utc | 315 As predicted, Israel has selectively re-interpreted the terms of the ceasefire. Where are the “guarantors’? Posted by: jayc | Oct 18 2025 17:54 utc | 316 As a wee little bird, we have to be more conflict averse and pick the better part of valor. Knowing when to flee into the brambles is a useful survival trait. That said, it takes all voices to make the world, let alone its beer gardens. Keep the BDS pressure going on, and be sure to slow roll your purchases in the West. Every “victory garden” counts in tethering the beast down. They don’t need our willing contributions in genocide, so withhold what you can. Reuse, Repurpose, Recycle. 🙂 Posted by: public_service | Oct 18 2025 18:02 utc | 317 Movement is building toward a tribunal for the war crimes in Gaza: Iran has carefully catalogued the war crimes committed by Israel during the 12 day war – and is bringing the book to the ICC (and probably to the UN). Hamas is moving toward the international community for accountability what appears to be Israeli organ harvesting from Palestinian prisoner bodies, their summary execution and the tank treads on many bodies indicating they were killed by running tanks over them. No one is surprised that Netanyahu refuses to honor the ceasefire agreement; but this and actions in Lebanon and Iran portend an attenuation of diplomacy as a strategy for resolution. Given that 120 countries have signed off on the illegality of the snap back sanctions occasioned by the EU exploiting a loop hole in the JPOA, inquiring minds wonder what momentum and action these formal accusations will bring. These are simply first steps – but one can anticipate that the Axis of Resistence holds an encyclopedia of receipts, waiting to be presented to the right tribunal at the right time. See very little prediction on the part of IS/US/EU/UK on multi lateral actions on the part of the Axis of Resistence, analysis of their strengths and weaknesses and their implacable assumption of the moral high ground across a number of theatres of conflict. The strategy of adhering to Geneva conventions et al is about to become a critical leverage against IS/US untrammeled violence, again, across a number of theatres. Posted by: abierno | Oct 18 2025 18:41 utc | 318 Sohaib Masalmeh Channel – “The Guardian, citing diplomats: Türkiye, Indonesia, Azerbaijan, and Egypt are expected to contribute primarily troops to Gaza” – “Netanyahu orders the Rafah crossing to remain closed until further notice and until all dead prisoners are released.” – “From the beginning, Israel wanted to stall the aid deal for Gaza. It won’t even allow reconstruction, and will exert heavy pressure under the pretext of disarmament, after previously being the pretext of handing over prisoners. May God help the people of Gaza” Note, the US military contingent of 200 is said by hebrew press (not confirmed) to plan to locate within Gaza. Posted by: Ornot | Oct 18 2025 18:56 utc | 319 I only have a vague kind of assessment to offer at present: The pause in hostilities continues in a fudged sort way, with delay of return of prisoners (fatalities) becoming an extension, a pressure point, as well as focus of attention, and phase two resolution is not being reported (and possibly remaining at the known stalemate). There are various calls to alleviate the circumstance in Gaza, but evolution seems at minimums, or below promised even. Conflict in West Bank appears to have increased, although similar has been occuring on and off for the last two years, causing over a thousand fatalities in that time. “Israel” and co. have now focused on the disarming of Hamas . That is about all we hear of regarding phase two, from anywhere. The international troop ‘offers’, the restraint in delivery of aid, entry of goods etc. all appear orchestrated towards putting pressure on Gaza, and the eventual taking of foreign control…really just an extension of the kind of political choreography we have had to watch for the last two years. Undoubtedly, there are various activities, repositioning, new projects etc. under way even as all seems suspended. Posted by: Ornot | Oct 18 2025 19:25 utc | 320 DH: Mohammad Marandi, Ali Abunimah & Lowkey Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 18 2025 21:31 utc | 321 • Via pal74press – “In the Name of God, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful Press Release Netanyahu’s decision to prevent the opening of the Rafah crossing until further notice constitutes a blatant violation of the terms of the ceasefire agreement and a denial of the commitments he made to the mediators and guarantors. The continued closure of the Rafah crossing, the prevention of the exit of the wounded and sick and the movement of citizens in both directions, the prevention of the entry of special equipment needed for the search for the missing under the rubble, and the prevention of the entry of equipment and teams specialized in examining and confirming the identities of bodies, will lead to delays in the retrieval and return of bodies. The occupation’s continued violations and attacks, which have so far amounted to more than 47 documented violations, leaving 38 martyrs and 143 injured, once again proves its aggressive intentions and the continuation of the siege policy against more than two million Palestinians in the Gaza Strip. The war criminal Netanyahu continues to fabricate flimsy pretexts to disrupt the agreement and evade his obligations. We call on the mediators and guarantors of the agreement to take urgent action to pressure the occupation to open the Rafah crossing immediately, oblige it to abide by all the terms of the agreement, and stop its ongoing crimes against our Palestinian people in the Gaza Strip. Islamic Resistance Movement – Hamas Saturday: 26 Rabi’ al-Thani 1447 AH – “The US State Department claims that Hamas is about to “carry out an operation against the people of Gaza” and that the United States may take action to prevent this. US State Department: Hamas’ planned attack undermines the significant progress achieved through mediation efforts.” • UN report – UN Human Rights in Occupied Palestinian Territory: 1001 Palestinians killed in West Bank since 7 October 2023 – one in five are children Posted by: Ornot | Oct 18 2025 22:06 utc | 322 Mahmood OD: Egyptian Led Forces To Gaza Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 18 2025 22:06 utc | 323 Hi public_service! 🙂 I’m still a wee little bird, but I am not from spook central. Far too scary and mean spirited for me. But believe whatever you need to believe to get through the day. Posted by: titmouse | Oct 18 2025 22:18 utc | 324 RepublicofScotland 316 Posted by: Giyane | Oct 18 2025 22:21 utc | 325 We have had a repeat forum name spoofer who tried to capture this forum repeatedly through paranoia and acrimony. Hopefully this new platform mitigates its games. Posted by: malenkov | Oct 18 2025 22:34 utc | 326 US warns of ‘Hamas attack against Palestinian civilians’, official statement: https://t.me/youseffares19/91537 Posted by: Ornot | Oct 18 2025 22:39 utc | 327 JT: Vanessa Beeley Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 18 2025 23:01 utc | 328 @327 Malenkov I think the site is moderate, once the replies start to get curated then it becomes not far off an echo chamber – so for the few out to distract or confuse, it is worth putting up with to keep the few who have distinct pov …within limits, like what b can stand or if any commentators get very disruptive etc. So I think it is a good balance, at least on the threads I get around to reading. mark2 is mark2 titmouse I appreciate the positive nature of, I don’t find the posts distracting But you know, we tend to build up our own picture of who other commentators are … it has an air of fantasy to it even … it would be really funny to meet any in real life I think. Those not appreciated do not have to be read, if they are and knowing they will cause disagreement, then maybe it is because anyone is looking for argument or just cannot tolerate another for a particular reason . Even public_service for example, I take note just because it sets a counterbalance … i.e. it makes me think ‘what do I really know?’ … both could be a sock puppeting for example ! I take it as well meant, whether correct or over suspicious. I tend to take comments at face value, and titmouse I find positive and encouraging to read… not much more I could add … disconnecting from the run run of modernity and how that changes understandings I could talk about, but not for this thread really. I just go back to topic now, sometimes that is why I just don’t reply, i.e. not meant as shunning another. I think most commentators understand that is how communication is here mostly. Posted by: Ornot | Oct 18 2025 23:18 utc | 329 @ Ornot # 328; Posted by: teri | Oct 18 2025 23:28 utc | 330 If they are far Right ideologues or Israeli, they get a free get out of jail pass. RAGIP SOYLU s court hearing after he was let go by Trump administration. Of course he didn’t. OF COURSE Posted by: Menz | Oct 18 2025 23:50 utc | 331 Ben Norton María Corina Machado I spoke with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu today and thanked him for his warm congratulations to the people of Venezuela on our 2025 Nobel Peace Prize. We Venezuelans deeply value peace, and we know that achieving it requires immense courage, strength, and moral clarity to stand against the totalitarian forces that oppose us. It’s no surprise that the Iranian regime—a key supporter of the Maduro regime in Venezuela—also backs terrorist organizations like Hamas, Hezbollah, and the Houthis. This alignment underscores the global nature of the struggle between freedom and authoritarianism. Posted by: Menz | Oct 19 2025 0:00 utc | 332 Hi malenkov! 🙂 You’ve always been the real deal for me. Thank you for the kind words and update about forum capture shenanigans. Posted by: titmouse | Oct 19 2025 0:07 utc | 333 English Outsider | Oct 18 2025 12:49 utc | 299 Posted by: Cynic | Oct 19 2025 0:10 utc | 334 The Rafah crossing is now closed again. Posted by: tobias cole | Oct 19 2025 0:16 utc | 335 The IDF has cut all relief supplies for Gaza? Posted by: tobias cole | Oct 19 2025 0:22 utc | 336 The IDF has cut all relief supplies for Gaza? Posted by: tobias cole | Oct 19 2025 0:26 utc | 337 @331 teri It’s a very odd statement. It could just be distraction or to add to accisations, in prep for false flag, used where Hamas had to act to defend from militias or PA even. I don’t know. @329 john Worthwhile interview to watch, that explains well and is a very credible perspective. Have not watched to end yet…she was cautious not to emphasise the possibility Russia might have been part of orchestrating the overthrow along with “Israel” , but recognised it as possible. @299 EO The point @Cynic makes is important. The wars seem to have destroyed europe’s evolution, not jews leaving. The wars might be seen as extension of the competition under monarchic framework, along with innovative political currents, too large a topic to discuss here, but as some have written , appear to have been orchestrated in advance . What is of note though is that there were earlier migrations from the region, most notably of Palatines, for example: https://historyofparliament.com/2015/09/03/eighteenth-century-migration/ Early 18th century is an interesting turning point in British history, including change of monarchy. Posted by: Ornot | Oct 19 2025 0:41 utc | 338 @ teri , on the US notification… pal74press “What’s meant: executions of collaborators and thieves in Gaza.” And Ayman Hanideq expresses a similar view, also includes : “Al-Karmel Hebrew News Website: The Israeli Consulate in New York has launched a new campaign in Times Square, highlighting Hamas’s executions of Israeli agents.” (Possibly graphic…not watched) Still not sure, just seems too absurd given that the thieves/collaborators/gangs/militias are actually acting against civilians in Gaza and encouraged by “Israel”. Posted by: Ornot | Oct 19 2025 1:54 utc | 339 EO 299, Cynic 335 Ornot 339 Posted by: fanto | Oct 19 2025 2:30 utc | 340 Not at all an endorsment of her views on Islam but Ann Barnhardt with an anecdote when she was called by Netanyahu’s press secretary (after she had burned a Koran). They were in a good mood and mentioned to her they were all athiests https://youtu.be/EOXMGlTKKjE?t=1655 FWIW Posted by: JustSomeOldGuy | Oct 19 2025 2:44 utc | 341 @Posted by: fanto | Oct 19 2025 2:30 utc | 341
Behaving in ways that seemingly confirmed Hitler’s accusations was not a wise tactic unless the the Zionists wanted to light a fire under the feet of Jews so that they would emigrate to Palestine. There are many Jews that spit on the mention of Zionists/Israel as they blame them for precipitating The Holocaust. Posted by: Otto Penn | Oct 19 2025 3:31 utc | 342
one link I just found of interest Posted by: Otto Penn | Oct 19 2025 3:53 utc | 343 So Occupied Palestine is back to committing genocide but not by bombing but by refusing to allow aid in. Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 19 2025 4:05 utc | 344 Otto Penn 343 Posted by: Giyane | Oct 19 2025 4:29 utc | 345 see the video at the first link Posted by: michaelj72 | Oct 19 2025 5:47 utc | 346 Posted by: michaelj72 | Oct 19 2025 7:08 utc | 347 They die every day:
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 19 2025 10:19 utc | 348
barflies – urge you all to watch the short video in the link. Lots to unpack including the intent to Hannibal a Jewish infant for PR. Posted by: Exile | Oct 19 2025 10:22 utc | 349 The Zio-Monster settlers/illegal occupiers squatting on Palestinian lands – use what looks like their own baby – pushing it in front in a pram – to stop aid trucks getting their vital cargos into Gaza. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Oct 19 2025 10:39 utc | 350 Shlomo Sand is professor of history at Tel Aviv University and author of the controversial book The Invention of the Jewish People Posted by: normal wisdom | Oct 19 2025 11:42 utc | 351 Does anyone on this forum have a list of all the ceasefire violations by the IDF since the declared ceasefire? Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 19 2025 12:58 utc | 352 Houthis deny latest ship attack. Interestingly usa groups had claimed the ship was ghost fleet for Iran. So it looks like Israel’s devious hands all over this one as it was loaded with Iranian LPG. Posted by: Hankster | Oct 19 2025 13:00 utc | 353 @ Ornot:
Posted by: teri | Oct 19 2025 13:08 utc | 354 @Posted by: michaelj72 | Oct 19 2025 5:47 utc | 347 Posted by: Otto Penn | Oct 19 2025 13:22 utc | 355 Netanyahu says he intends to run for prime minister again in the upcoming elections. He follows that up by saying, “Our eyes are on Iran.” Posted by: teri | Oct 19 2025 13:36 utc | 356 JT: Laith Marouf Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 19 2025 13:36 utc | 357 A Recent Report Published Last Week By The Washington Post Disclosed New Details About The Gangs in Gaza That Are Fighting Hamas Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 19 2025 14:46 utc | 358 Posted by: michaelj72 | Oct 19 2025 14:52 utc | 359 Live Blog: Day 744 – Israel Bombs Rafah Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 19 2025 15:37 utc | 360 @340 fanto I appreciate EO’s contributions also, but criticism is fair here: “Wholesale dismissal of Jews in a number of institutions and professions started straight away. That, as an aside, gutting Germany and Austria of their best. What was previously the intellectual powerhouse of Europe has remained something of a cultural backwater ever since.” Directly implies jews as being ‘their best’. This meme we are very tired of, that jews hold an intelectual superiority, and also appears as part of the antagonism that led to their persecution. There are also good accounts of how Weimar inflationary policy (payment of unionised wages, government wages at inflation adjusted level) was responsible for the hyperinflation, along with hoarding of goods as reaction. The jews are said to have profited to an extreme in this environment, with accounts of the number of jewish owned shops for example completely taking over previously non jewish supplies. That was part of the reason for public rejection of jews also. I explain that just as an example of what is not ‘superiority’, but profiteering, and of course some question if the whole episode was not purposefully inspired by ‘bankers’. The monetary value settled again after it was tied to property, if I remember. It was not to do with reparations, the external balance regarding gold was intact and functionable, according to studies. Anyway, how that view EO posted snook in , makes a reader question, or react (as @ cynic did). Posted by: Ornot | Oct 19 2025 18:26 utc | 361 |
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