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October 15, 2025
Palestine Open Thread 2025-241

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If Black US soldiers were sent to Gaza how long would it be before an Israeli shoots oneor visa versa?

Posted by: Otto Penn | Oct 15 2025 16:28 utc | 1

Would a US soldier in Gaza tolerate seeing children queued up for food being murdered in cowardly cold-blood by Israeli “soldiers”? 

Posted by: Otto Penn | Oct 15 2025 16:32 utc | 2

What We Know About Putin’s Meeting With Syria’s Interim President
 
https://tass.com/politics/2030181
 
“The victory of the pro-presidential forces in Syria is a great success and a step towards consolidating society. ‘I think this is your great success, because it leads to the consolidation of society.”
 
 
 
DW: Laith Marouf
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLqXrEq1kNo
 
“Change comes through revolution.”
 
 

Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 15 2025 16:36 utc | 3

How would a US soldier sent to Gaza respond to the sadistic bragging of arrogant, murderous, raping Israeli “soldiers”?

Posted by: Otto Penn | Oct 15 2025 16:39 utc | 4

Syriana Analysis: Geopolitics After Gaza
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rCBvVLfXOs
 
“Kevork Almassian and William break down the shifting balance of power in the Middle East after Gaza.”

Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 15 2025 16:40 utc | 5

DW: Max Blumenthal
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKUkFyXv5-I
 
“IDF’s plan in Gaza…”

Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 15 2025 16:45 utc | 6

ISRAELI MEDIA: Israel’s Channel Kan reported that the Israeli army carried out strikes over the past two days in the Shejaiyya neighborhood of Gaza to protect a family collaborating with Israel. According to the channel, the army allowed this family to remain under its protection in areas from which Israeli forces have not yet withdrawn.
 
https://www.palestinechronicle.com/live-blog-
 
Comment: Read that in conjuction with the PA accusing of Hamas as terrorists for Resistance security operations against Zionist mercenaries in Gaza, and the US Central Command order to Hamas:
US Central Command Urges Hamas to Disarm and Stop Killing Collaborators
(the headline is by palestine chornicle)
 

US Central Command (CENTCOM) called on Hamas to stop acts of violence and cease firing on “innocent Palestinian civilians in Gaza.”
 
The statement urged Hamas to “end violence both in its areas of control and in zones secured by Israel beyond the yellow line,” describing the moment as “an opportunity for peace.”
 
CENTCOM added that Hamas must withdraw, abide by the plan, and surrender its weapons “without delay,” expressing optimism about “the future of peace in the region.”
 

https://www.palestinechronicle.com/live-blog-
 
In the previous thread I posted the PA statement, the statement of the DFLP/ Resistance about the security operations and information about the “innocent Palestinian civilians” referred to by CENTCOM
 

Posted by: JB | Oct 15 2025 16:52 utc | 7

Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 15 2025 16:36 utc | 3
 
What they say about making sausage.

Posted by: drinky crow | Oct 15 2025 16:52 utc | 8

How would a US soldier sent to Gaza respond to the sadistic bragging of arrogant, murderous, raping Israeli “soldiers”?
Posted by: Otto Penn | Oct 15 2025 16:39 utc | 4
Given the attitudes of most ICE/police in amerika and that they largely are former military, probably with admiration.

Posted by: drinky crow | Oct 15 2025 16:55 utc | 9

What happened to Greta Thumberg and why has ther been what appears to be a blanket ban on how she was mis-treated and assulted by the jewish Israelie idf.
 
D notice ?

Posted by: Mark2 | Oct 15 2025 16:55 utc | 10

Those IDF airstrikes to protect a so-called collaborator, suggest that the dude is an Israeli, not a Palestinian. 

Posted by: exile | Oct 15 2025 17:01 utc | 11

drinky crow @ 8:
bigtime…

Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 15 2025 17:23 utc | 12

Would a US soldier in Gaza tolerate seeing children queued up for food being murdered in cowardly cold-blood by Israeli “soldiers”? 
Posted by: Otto Penn | Oct 15 2025 16:32 utc | 2
 
_______
 
The duties of a soldier are
1. obey; and
2. kill.
 
If ordered to, U. S. soldiers would participate in gunning down the kids. Then, months or years later and like their Zio comrades, whine about their PTSD.

Posted by: malenkov | Oct 15 2025 17:40 utc | 13

Amb. Bob Rae: Canada’s Zionist UN Collaborator (& vid)
 
https://x.com/EnglerYves/status/1978316641080381791
 
“Last week a large group in Montreal organized a powerful response to genocide & Bob Rae’s failure to join much of the UN in walking out on the war criminal Netanyahu.”
 

Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 15 2025 17:42 utc | 14

Posted by: malenkov | Oct 15 2025 17:40 utc | 13
 
#######
 
 
You see clearly.
 
People will do all sorts of evil if they can avoid personal accountability for it.
 
The hardest kind of person to find is one with integrity who has their own sense of morality and conscience.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 15 2025 17:58 utc | 15

‘What happened to Greta Thumberg and why has ther been what appears to be a blanket ban on how she was mis-treated and assulted by the jewish Israelie idf.’

Not at all. She’s still around. Just got big spreads all over the place today in fact:

Greta Thunberg accuses Israeli troops of abusing her in captivity

Tied me up, took selfies’: Greta Thunberg breaks silence on ‘torture’ under Israeli detention

Imagine what they do to Palestinians’: Activist Greta Thunberg recounts Gaza flotilla ordeal

Greta Thunberg: I was tortured, beaten and starved by Israel
Swedish activist accuses Israeli guards of having ‘no empathy or humanity’ during her time in prison

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-lm&channel=entpr&q=greta+thunberg

https://duckduckgo.com/?t=lm&q=greta+thunberg&ia=web

https://yandex.com/search/?text=greta+thunberg&lr=29643

Here is more on Greta from the right-wing Daily Mail:

https://archive.ph/m3gR5

Greta Thunberg’s first appearance on the world stage was at a protest in front of the Swedish parliament four days before she released a book with her mother who was one of the parents who DESPERATELY wanted Greta to be famous.

She sure does get a lot of big media attention.

I wonder if she’ll go back to an environmental activism? That mighty problem didn’t go away I don’t think.

In the same vein, I wonder if Christian Smalls will go back to Amazon. It’s still not unionized. There is a lot of work to do there.

But said work cannot done if leftist hero leaders are flitting around from one cause to the next.

I feel sorry for these vulnerable individuals who get taken advantage of.

Rachel Corrie never got all this mainstream press. Perhaps more importantly, nor does a Laith Marouf or any of the many many Palestinian journalists Ornot and others have profiled here.

And now TPTB are erasing the history that has only very recently been brought forward to the world stage.

But Greta and her hero history lives on.

Greta Thunberg has never uttered Rachel Corrie’s name, let alone a specific Palestinian.

Hey cocooned leftists: Greta is an eyeroll to most people including large swaths of potential allies.

The left cultivates these hero personalities who may as well have been crafted by the opposition.

Posted by: Dan Kelly | Oct 15 2025 17:59 utc | 16

@13
always nice to hear from you malenkov. but you are too hard against the wrong persons. IMHO you should inform yourself about the billion ways people get misled and then start to blame the right persons. For a starter i think this video is helpful..
https://sovereignista.com/2025/07/07/the-fascist-core-of-the-euro-atlantic-regimes-niall-mclaren-pascal-lottaz/

Posted by: swiss | Oct 15 2025 18:08 utc | 17

Nelson Mandela’s Grandson was on the Flotilla. He’s also a MP in South Africa. 
 
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20241010-backlash-as-uk-slaps-visa-ban-on-nelson-mandelas-grandson/
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/7/7/nelson-mandelas-grandson-slams-israeli-apartheid
 

Posted by: exile | Oct 15 2025 18:09 utc | 18

@ swiss | Oct 15 2025 18:08 utc | 17
 
No question that soldiers don’t dehumanize themselves. That’s what “boot camp” and similar rituals are all about. But this does not render soldiers blameless for their actions.
 
 

Posted by: malenkov | Oct 15 2025 18:18 utc | 19

Hello swiss.   Of course many are mislead, but for US soldiers anyway they swear to uphold the Constitution  which of course means that the killing of civilians is illegal.   In memory and honor of Aaron Bushnell I will make the remark that soldiers have an obligation, no matter how hard it may be, to refuse an illegal order. Beyond that, who could shoot a child?   Only a savage or a coward. 

Posted by: Formerly Miss Lacy | Oct 15 2025 18:18 utc | 20

‘The left cultivates these hero personalities who may as well have been crafted by the opposition.’

I frankly don’t know who is cultivating Greta but my point is that we need better ‘front’ people than the likes of a Greta Thunberg.

If Greta Thunberg wants to help Palestinians that’s great but she shouldn’t be front and center and it’s frankly a little suspicious that she gets so much press attention in lieu of deeper-seated, more historically-informed and more articulate spokespersons.

Posted by: Dan Kelly | Oct 15 2025 18:18 utc | 21

@ Formerly Miss Lacy | Oct 15 2025 18:18 utc | 20
 
How do grunts know when an order is illegal? How much training on the Constitution do they receive, and from what ideological perspective is it delivered?

Posted by: malenkov | Oct 15 2025 18:22 utc | 22

Dan kelly
 
Your comments say alot more about you than i possably could. And its all negative.

Posted by: Mark2 | Oct 15 2025 18:23 utc | 23

Journalist Youssef Fares

“Prisoners’ Information Office – Conditions of Gaza Strip prisoners after their release:

▪️A large number of prisoners from the Gaza Strip were released from prison with exhausted bodies, some without feet, others in wheelchairs, bearing the scars of years of oppression and torture.

▪️They report being beaten for four consecutive days as a “gift” before being released, and that swelling and bruises covered their emaciated bodies.

▪️Others confirmed that they were not left for a moment without being flogged or beaten, and that their children and wives were threatened, while jailers told them that their families had been wiped out in the war. One prisoner said that prison authorities deliberately beat him on the site of his injury, until his hand was broken five times.

▪️Thus, the liberated people of Gaza returned to their homes as ghosts exhausted by hunger and torture, and began a new journey in bodies that had not yet known rest”

Sohaib Masalmeh Channel

“Bilal Ajarmah, a prisoner released as part of the resistance deal:

Occupation forces assaulted us, even while we were being transported by bus from prison to Egypt”

Posted by: Ornot | Oct 15 2025 18:28 utc | 24

You use what you have. Having said that Greta appeals to a completely different age group and political genre than the bar flys here. In a world where billions are being spent on propaganda , Greta helps a young target audience that wont forget . Certainly not my cup of tea . But I’m not Euro weeny. 

Posted by: Hankster | Oct 15 2025 18:36 utc | 27

‘Your comments say alot more about you than i possably could. And its all negative.’

This is that psychology thing whereby my comments struck a nerve and touched something you don’t in any way want to even consider so it must be that there is something terribly wrong with Dan.

I’m glad you’re in touch with my interiority and what drives me, Mark.

I’m still learning myself.

Posted by: Dan Kelly | Oct 15 2025 18:45 utc | 28

@19 and 20
thanks for your comment. I just happen to know some badly misled people. it breaks my heart feeling what they are going through. never mind.

Posted by: swiss | Oct 15 2025 18:45 utc | 29

Rachel Blevins: Putin Welcomes Former Al Qaeda Leader to the Kremlin?? 
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjv90qpE5Ac
 
“A decade after Russia intervened in the war on Syria on behalf of the government of Bashar al Assad, Putin is now shaking hands with his former enemy, amid concerns about the safety of Russia’s major military bases in Syria. It’s a reminder there’s what we think should happen and there’s the reality of it all.”
 
and thereby hangs a tale…

Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 15 2025 19:02 utc | 30

This would be a good time for Moscow to invite Palestinian factions again for unification talks.
 
Thunberg is articulate, brave and her efforts have made a difference.

Posted by: Paul | Oct 15 2025 19:02 utc | 31

This would be a good time for Moscow to invite Palestinian factions again for unification talks.
 
Been already done and signed off on in July 2024. known as the Peking Declaration. 
link to presser and text of agreement (in arabic, use machine translator) 
https://dflp.org/4411/ 

Posted by: exile | Oct 15 2025 19:08 utc | 32

‘This would be a good time for Moscow to invite Palestinian factions again for unification talks.’

And then continue to promote the ‘two-state solution’ as well as that any meaningful resolutions be done via the UN Security Council and then make a public condemnation of the US veto everyone with half a brain knows is coming.

Now would be a good time for Moscow to talk about regime change and de-Zionizing Israel and its society.

Russia could lead by analogizing the necessary de-Zionization of Israel to the de-Nazification of Ukraine it insists is necessary before things can really move foward peacefully.

Posted by: Dan Kelly | Oct 15 2025 19:19 utc | 33

Posted by: Dan Kelly | Oct 15 2025 18:45 utc | 28
 
Question is, why were you NOT on the flotilla? 
 
 

Posted by: Clever Dog | Oct 15 2025 19:35 utc | 34

Posted by: Dan Kelly | Oct 15 2025 19:19 utc | 33
 
Oh, and I just got a telepathic message for you from Vladimir Putin.
 
He says, “Thank you, Dan Kelly for your insightful advice about what I ought to do to solve the problems of the Middle East while simultaneously keeping Russia on an even keel and managing a large SMO in Ukraine. I was worrying a lot about that but you have made it all so clear. Bless your little heart and tiny brain, Danny, I can’t wait to receive your next instructions.”

Posted by: Clever Dog | Oct 15 2025 19:41 utc | 35

“Now would be a good time for Moscow to talk about regime change and de-Zionizing Israel and its society.
Russia could lead by analogizing the necessary de-Zionization of Israel to the de-Nazification of Ukraine it insists is necessary before things can really move foward peacefully.”
Posted by: Dan Kelly | Oct 15 2025 19:19 utc | 33
 
i fully agree

Posted by: swiss | Oct 15 2025 19:49 utc | 36

‘Been already done and signed off on in July 2024. known as the Peking Declaration’

Imagine if instead of just putting forth a public ‘declaration’ and then proceeding with business as usual instead China coupled said public declaration with a severing of business ties and a closing or severe cutailing of diplomatic relations with ‘Israel’ and announced that this will contine until the genocide stops.

Imagine if this was done earlier than July 2024. Remember it was clear to all that ‘Israel’ was carrying out a planned genocide by December 2023.

Imagine if China never sold ‘Israel’ all those drones and other military and accompanying tech that has slaughtered Palestinians and others around the region.

They get enough from the US and the west and they have enough of their own, no?

Just imagine.

https://www.whoprofits.org/companies/company/7367?tnufa-transportation-solutions

Here we have Chinese private and wholly-owned state companies and subsidiaries and offshoots etc doing business with a UK company (the largest stake) and Israeli companies in Tnufa Transportation which is a private Israeli company which operates primarily in the occupied West Bank and in occupied East Jerusalem.

Let’s now change one letter and here we see that China also owns ‘Tnuva’ which is:

‘An Israeli company for food production and marketing. The company holds a significant share of the Israeli market in the field of dairy and dairy products production and marketing, and additionally markets fresh farm produce, eggs, poultry, vegetables and fruits.

Thnuva Group brands include: Yoplait, Emek, Sunfrost, Tirat Zvi, Maadanot, Mama Of, Chef Lavan, Harduf, Adom Adom, Olivia. Tnuva USA brands include: Tnuva Alternative, Yolo, Zees.’

China’s ‘Bright Foods’ has overwhelming majority ownership of this ‘Israeli’ company via its subsidiary Bright Dairy & Food Co Ltd.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/chinese-state-company-buys-controlling-stake-in-tnuva/

https://www.whoprofits.org/companies/company/3994?tnuva-group#

One of the most striking examples is Adama Agricultural Solutions, a former Israeli company now fully owned by the Chinese state-run firm China National Chemical Corporation (ChemChina).

Amid the Gaza war, Adama mobilised its workers “to support farmers who have been suffering from a shortage of workers … [including] farmers in the south, in the surrounding residents of the Gaza Envelope and in the northern settlements”, according to a report in the Jerusalem Post.

While Beijing voices opposition to settlement activity, its economic ties with Israel strengthen the foundations of Zionist colonialism.

Quoted in the same report, a representative of Adama said: “The farmers of the country, and the farmers of the settlements around Gaza in particular, are the pioneers of our days and their continued work is necessary to maintain the security of the country.

“These days they return to cultivate their lands alongside enormous pain and a lack of working hands. At Adama we have the right to help them in times of routine, and to stand by them also in times of crisis.”

In January 2024, Adama went further, launching a scholarship fund of around one million shekels ($275,000) to support academic degrees in agriculture for residents of the Gaza Envelope and northern settlements.

Adama has a long history of collaborating with settler institutions. Its products have been used in agricultural trials conducted in Israeli settlements in the Jordan Valley, and even more troubling, one of its herbicides has been used by a contractor of the Israeli military in aerial spraying that has destroyed vegetation along the Gaza border.

While China presents itself as a neutral or sympathetic actor in the conflict, its ownership of Adama links it directly to the militarised destruction of Palestinian livelihoods.’

https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-773148

https://tinyurl.com/3vy6rcp4

Posted by: Dan Kelly | Oct 15 2025 19:57 utc | 37

And we all know – that the settler/occupying force in Palestine known as Israel, will make up some lying excuse to continue the genocide.
 
President Trump lays the groundwork for the resumption of the genocide in Gaza, saying Israel may resume operations ‘at his word’ if Hamas ‘does not adhere to the agreement.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Oct 15 2025 19:59 utc | 38

Posted by: Ornot | Oct 15 2025 18:28 utc | 24
 
We’re all bearing witness to the true nature of Zionism.
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Posted by: MarcusAurelius | Oct 15 2025 20:06 utc | 39

‘Oh, and I just got a telepathic message for you from Vladimir Putin.

Thank you, Dan Kelly for your insightful advice about what I ought to do to solve the problems of the Middle East while simultaneously keeping Russia on an even keel and managing a large SMO in Ukraine. I was worrying a lot about that but you have made it all so clear. Bless your little heart and tiny brain, Danny, I can’t wait to receive your next instructions.’

Mr Putin,

Thank you for reaching out to a lowly commoner such as me.

In addressing your comment – a bit out of character for you – about solving ‘the problems of the Middle East while simultaneously keeping Russia on an even keel and managing a large SMO in Ukraine’ I have no doubt that you are able to multi-task on the international stage. If you didn’t, you wouldn’t have been selected for your role.

Incidentally, no one asked you to ‘solve’ the ‘problems’ in the Middle East so that is a straw man and I am surprised that a man of your intellect would stoop to that level but then, as previously mentioned, I am also surprised by your reaching out to me.

You yourself have never mentioned the word genocide, sir, nor have any of your immediate lieutenants.

I’ve never heard you use the word Zionism.

In fact, I’m beginning to get very angry right about now.

Please don’t reach out to me again. I’m a busy man.

Sincerely yours,

Dan Kelly

P.S. Loved that shot of you kissing the ‘Israeli’ ghetto wall!

Posted by: Dan Kelly | Oct 15 2025 20:09 utc | 40

If you are going to continue the genocide – you won’t allow much aid into Gaza – and that’s what’s happening here.
 
“CNN reports despite the ceasefire, less than one-third of the agreed aid trucks have been allowed to enter Gaza”

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Oct 15 2025 20:11 utc | 41

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Oct 15 2025 20:11 utc | 41
 
Slow drip genocide and torture for 77 years.  Palestinian culture truly is resilient and measured.  

Posted by: MarcusAurelius | Oct 15 2025 20:15 utc | 42

A noble gesture.
 
“Colombian President Gustavo Petro: ‘All gold confiscated from drug traffickers will be sold to fund medical care for injured children in Gaza — We will do what the wealthy countries have not done.”

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Oct 15 2025 20:15 utc | 43

MarcusAurelius (42).
 
Yes, the drip just became a flood – but as you say the Palestinian people show great courage and resilience, as do the Yemeni people.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Oct 15 2025 20:17 utc | 44

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Oct 15 2025 20:17 utc | 44
 
They do indeed.  Bombed for years by the Saudis, with US weapons, and crippling sanctions as well.  If not for the greed and cowardice of Sisi, Abdullah and the UK puppet Gulf monarchs, we would not be having this conversation. 

Posted by: MarcusAurelius | Oct 15 2025 20:23 utc | 45

‘Question is, why were you NOT on the flotilla? ‘

I have to work to survive. I’m also helping people locally and have family that is sick.

You? Or were you on the flotilla? And if so, please share.

Posted by: Dan Kelly | Oct 15 2025 20:26 utc | 46

Pretty sure everyone here on MOA called it
(Get “hostages”…stop “global” rioting.. remember Meloni there as Italy unions stopped all work)
 
https://tass.com/world/2030427

IDDLE EAST CONFLICT
15 OCT, 15:11

“Trump says Israeli military could be back in Gaza ‘as soon as I say word”
“US leader said he “had to hold back” the Israeli authorities and the military”

”Israel will return to those streets as soon as I say the word. If Israel could go in and knock the crap of them, they’d do that,” the American leader said in a telephone interview wth CNN, when asked what would happen if Hamas refused to lay down its arms.”

 

So, whenever IDF runs in, it will supposedly be because: “ Trump said so”

Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 15 2025 20:31 utc | 47

I don’t thinkl flotilla attendance is necessarily mandatory to be a decent human being although Rachel Corrie did say that once she saw what was going on she felt like she had to drop everything and help.

They ran her over with a bulldozer.

I am glad all the courageous flotilla members – including of course Greta – got out alive.

https://ifamericansknew.org/download/rachels_letters.pdf

Posted by: Dan Kelly | Oct 15 2025 20:39 utc | 50

Re my (49) comment more on Clinton’s shitty dare I say it two-state solution in which the Palestinians lose out big-time.
 
Aaron Maté (@aaronjmate): “Here’s more on how Bill Clinton lied, on Israel’s behalf, about Arafat rejecting a generous Israeli-US peace offer in 2000-01. In his memoir, Clinton admits that his “nonnegotiable” peace plan would give Israel enough West Bank land to “hold at least 80 percent of the settlers.” Consider that for a second: on top of giving up the right of return and ceding 78% of historic Palestine to Israel, Clinton’s plan was also telling Palestinians to accept 80% of the illegal Israeli settlers staying in the settlement blocs that carve up the West Bank. So Palestinians weren’t even getting 22% of their stolen homeland; they were getting a bantustan entity filled with (fanatical) Israeli settlers. Amazingly, for Israel, that wasn’t enough. In their reply to Clinton, the Israelis wrote that “the permanent territorial arrangements would have to include annexation that exceeds the numerical territorial scope indicated by the President.” So Israel told Clinton that they wanted to steal more Palestinian land than Clinton was already letting them steal! In his memoir, Clinton whitewashes this. He says that while the Israelis voiced “reservations” with his plan, “all their reservations were within the parameters” of his plan. And he instead blames Arafat for rejecting this supposedly generous plan as “an error of historic proportions.”” | nitter.poast.org

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Oct 15 2025 20:40 utc | 51

RE: Posted by: Dan Kelly | Oct 15 2025 20:09 utc | 40
 
I’ve as well stated disgust with Putin/Russia regarding, well, USReal and a lot of things.
 
All I can say atm, is something is definitely reaching an apex.
Apparently their was some cryptic, unspoken of “deal” “agreement” made for Ukraine settlement.
 
Russia is firmly through both Lavrov & Andrey Belousov, very firmly reminding Trump they are “waiting for his “concrete results”.  Why now?
Zelensky meet Friday. Those “results” are their (Russia’s) final “concrete” answer.
 
Do I think it’s a game? Russian “tough” face?
No.
 I think they’re finished.
For all we know, This was always China & Russian coordinated plan.
 

Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 15 2025 20:44 utc | 52

Donald Trump said in a CNN interview that he could authorize Benjamin Netanyahu to resume military operations in Gaza “with a single word” if Hamas fails to comply with the terms of the current ceasefire deal.
Israel maintains that not all the bodies of deceased hostages have been returned, while Hamas insists it has already handed over all remains in its possession.
https://t.me/CyberspecNews/93150

There you go, the umpteenth setup, which was glaringly obvious from the start as neither Israel nor the Palestinians signed anything, not even a memorandum, and there was nowhere for this supposed Yuge Peace Deal to go, except disarmament of Palestinian forces, otherwise known as surrender, which is not a peace deal, it’s defeat, not sure we are there yet, and that if it comes it’ll be like Grant and Lee at Appomattox Court House.  
 
What everyone signed up for including Hamas was a Trump photo-op, similar to the Trump photo-up Putin and Lavrov signed up for in Alaska, they must all have their reasons, how much harm can Trump do if he’s happy and the center of attention, ever see the Twilight Zone episode “It’s A Good Life” aka “The Cornfield”? Simplest answer is Trump /USA, the entire West, gets what they value highly, photo-ops, The Resistance gets something small but concrete they need at that moment, even if it’s only a breather. 
 
In the end its a big win for Israel, genocides don’t have Peace Extravaganzas, real or fake, only wars do, so Trump and Netanyahu managed to reinforce the narrative that it’s not a genocide – it’s a war. And, war as we all know is hell. “No genocide here folks, just as we said all along an ugly war of the Palestinians own making. Move on, no more rubbernecking.”
 
I said from the start of the genocide that Israel has chosen to go first so that after the horror of WW3 is over no one will remember anything about the horror of Gaza, just like no one remembers the Rape of Nanjing and all the other Japanese massacres starting in 1932 and before the start of WW2.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Oct 15 2025 20:47 utc | 53

How China is quietly aiding Israel’s settlement enterprise
 
 
Away from Beijing’s lofty rhetoric about defending Palestinians, Chinese firms are helping to sustain illegal settlements
 
 
https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/china-quietly-aiding-israels-settlement-enterprise-how

Posted by: Dan Kelly | Oct 15 2025 21:02 utc | 56

Republicofscotland @ 48

Looks like the Zio-Monster will kill the uniting Palestinian version of Mandela before they’d release him. 

They are going to kill all the released Palestinian prisoners, it’s not like they can escape from Gaza. After Gaza is cleared by bombing and forced resettlement what was Israel supposed to do with the thousands of Palestinians they still have in prison? It would have been exceptionally bad optics, even after a globally broadcast genocide, to simply massacre 5000+ bound prisoners. So, release them, then bomb them and starve them as part of the normalized Genocide Show. Much better optics, at least in the 4th Reich.
 

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Oct 15 2025 21:06 utc | 57

Never mind China or Russia what happend to…. draining the swamp ?

Posted by: Mark2 | Oct 15 2025 21:12 utc | 58

RE:
“Never mind China or Russia what happend to…. draining the swamp ?”
Posted by: Mark2 | Oct 15 2025 21:12 utc | 58
 
That is soooo 2016….🍺
 
Turns out it was an Ocean of corruption…From Sea to Shining Sea … another Atlantis might do the trick.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 15 2025 21:20 utc | 59

“just like no one remembers the Rape of Nanjing and all the other Japanese massacres starting in 1932 and before the start of WW2.”
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Oct 15 2025 20:47 utc | 53
No one? China remembers. So does Japan.
     Despite, and perhaps because of, the Dual Citizen Billionaire Thugs holding as much control over U.S. power centers, there will be a backlash. It has already started.
   A bunch of old Zionists crazed with short term power, flush with stolen American taxpayer money, looking like jackals in a bloody feast, congratulating themselves with limitless murders, a mark in human history that make German Nazis restrained.
   I don’t recall parties of Brownshirts and Hitler Youth enthusiastically celebrating the slaughter of their neighbors.
   Israel is dead. Yet to be buried. Fake Roman wall and all.

Posted by: kupkee | Oct 15 2025 21:23 utc | 60

RE:
”In the end its a big win for Israel, genocides don’t have Peace Extravaganzas, real or fake, only wars do, so Trump and Netanyahu managed to reinforce the narrative that it’s not a genocide – it’s a war. And, war as we all know is hell. “No genocide here folks, just as we said all along an ugly war of the Palestinians own making. Move on, no more rubbernecking.” 
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Oct 15 2025 20:47 utc | 53
 
Agree with optics. It looks like USReal has “gotten away”.with it.
But I still see the bodies of Nuttyyahoo, Ben Gvir ect dangling on the wailing wall for the world to see.
 

Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 15 2025 21:29 utc | 61

You remember the movie ‘cool hand luke’? Just picture the future with our zio monster masters being the prison masters. ain’t gonna be pretty.

Posted by: dobby | Oct 15 2025 21:34 utc | 62

From Abubaker Abed, currently living in Ireland due to health issues.  Born and raised in Gaza.
 

There’s nothing called “Hamas security forces”. It’s just Gaza’s security forces.
 
These policemen; many of them have nothing to do withHamas or any political faction. They are officially registered police members performing their duties and trying to maintain the public order.
 
https://x.com/AbubakerAbedW/status/1978300823214915830?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
 
 
This is 29-year-old Bisan Fayyad. Israel handed over her body in January 2024, telling her family she was killed.
 
19 months later, she was confirmed seen behind Israeli bars with hemiparesis. Bisan is still a hostage by Israel, which has a long history of enforced disappearance
 
https://x.com/AbubakerAbedW/status/1978570221276258388?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

 
Both of the below are from Palestinechronicle.com online blog.  Imagine the hypocricy needed (or should I say “chutzpah”?) for the same people who engineered the exploding beepers and have never kept their words EVER to complain that “Hamas deceived us”.  And so brazenly unashamed that they return the dead bodies of Palestinians showing clear signs of torture and field executions.
 
 

Israeli Media: Al-Qassam Brigades Deceived the Army During the War
 
ISRAELI MEDIA: Israel’s Channel 15 quoted an unnamed security source as saying that the Al-Qassam Brigades had deceived the Israeli army during the war.
 
The source explained that the army had dropped Israeli communication chips to gather information about the captives, but the resistance collected and activated them shortly before the handover of captives, using them to make calls with the prisoners’ families.
 
 
Handcuffed and Blindfolded: Bodies of 90 Palestinians Returned by Israel
 
PALESTINE CHRONICLE: Gaza’s Health Ministry says 90 Palestinian bodies returned by Israel show signs of torture, mutilation, and execution, as doctors struggle to identify the victims with limited forensic resources.
 
https://www.palestinechronicle.com/live-blog-trump-threatens-war-as-gaza-security-continues-to-crack-down-on-collaborators-day-741/
 

 

Posted by: teri | Oct 15 2025 21:37 utc | 63

They already predicted and planned our future without any dissent because “oh jesus please save me”. A jew god taking down humanity. Who would have ever thought? The ones who invented it.

Posted by: dobby | Oct 15 2025 21:42 utc | 64

“A decade after Russia intervened in the war on Syria on behalf of the government of Bashar al Assad, Putin is now shaking hands with his former enemy, amid concerns about the safety of Russia’s major military bases in Syria. It’s a reminder there’s what we think should happen and there’s the reality of it all.” I have supported Putin for a long time but he has disgraced himself with this.

Posted by: Englishman | Oct 15 2025 21:44 utc | 65

Posted by: Englishman | Oct 15 2025 21:44 utc | 65
 
#####
 
Or geopolitics isn’t black and white.
Your upset at Putin is meaningless. Are you going to stop voting for him? Are you going to stop buying his products?

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 15 2025 21:47 utc | 66

Greta Thunberg calls for Russia to be punished for ecocide in Ukraine
 
Olena Roshchina — 8 June 2023, 23:38
 

Prominent Swedish environmental activist Greta Thunberg has said that Russia has committed ecocide in southern Ukraine and must be punished for it.
Source: Greta Thunberg on Twitter
Quote: “This ecocide as a continuation of Russia’s unprovoked full-scale invasion of Ukraine is yet another atrocity which leaves the world lost for words. Our eyes are once again on Russia who must be held accountable for their crimes.”

 
No wonder she gets so much positive attention from the mainstream media.  

Posted by: ThouShalt | Oct 15 2025 21:51 utc | 67

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 15 2025 21:47 utc | 66
Putin is on the gig

Posted by: dobby | Oct 15 2025 21:51 utc | 68

Yesterday I posted this from RT 
https://www.swentr.site/news/626437-hamas-execution-gaza-videos/ 
I did see any replies, and do not want to look for them either. 
 
Today I just wanted to double down on asserting that these Hamas representatives you see in the video are uncivilized animals. No better than ISIS burning humans alive with petrol inside a steel cage and filming it for the world to see. 
 
Psychopaths. The only solution for Psychopaths is death or permanent high security solitary incarceration for Life. 
 
 
None of this is a defence of nor excuses the murderous genocide carried by Israeli Zionist Psychopaths upon the people of Palestine especially in Gaza recently. As a sane human using reason I can condemn both to hell. 
 
Thank You and Kind regards

Posted by: dodger | Oct 15 2025 22:21 utc | 69

Journalist Ayman Hanideq

“Senior US Advisor: Areas like Rafah are located behind the Yellow Line and could see a first phase of redevelopment and the establishment of a local security force.

We have no intention of allowing Hamas to control any part of Gaza, and this is what the agreement stipulates.”

Posted by: Ornot | Oct 15 2025 22:27 utc | 70

 
In the end its a big win for Israel, genocides don’t have Peace Extravaganzas, real or fake, only wars do, so Trump and Netanyahu managed to reinforce the narrative that it’s not a genocide – it’s a war. And, war as we all know is hell. “No genocide here folks, just as we said all along an ugly war of the Palestinians own making. Move on, no more rubbernecking.”
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Oct 15 2025 20:47 utc | 53

 
Thanks for that.Been saying that for…ever?
 
 

I find it quite irritating when anyone is STILL discussing Hamas’ role in the Genocide.The choice of Genocide was always Israel’s. FULL STOP.Those that frame this as an Israel-Hamas Warare playing into Netanyahu’s game.Netanyahu himself doesn’t care two cents about Hamas,except as a means of creating a smokescreen for Israel’s Genocide.If Hamas vanished overnight the Genocide would continue.
Posted by: Otto Penn | Jul 25 2025 22:11 utc | 218

 

Posted by: Otto Penn | Oct 15 2025 22:32 utc | 71

Greta Thunberg
Posted by: ThouShalt | Oct 15 2025 21:51 utc | 67

 
Let’s stop and actually think about this using reason and well known facts. Greta is as manipulated, politicized and propagandized as the other one billion in the west. She is as much a victim as the Russia’s are victims, and the people in Ukraine have been and still are.
 
We are all Victims here.  Greta is in fact one of US!
 
Stop punching down on people. Please go after the low life scum instead, who have with intent lied and manipulated her, have influenced her and the rest of the Golden Billion for decades even before she was fucking born already. Doh! 🙂 
 
You’re going to condemn her for being misinformed and too stupid/gullible to go check outside the fishbowl she is living inside of? All the while being controlled by assholes like Obama and Van Der Leyen Europeans and media shills?
 
Jesus, give her a fucking break already. She is not LoveDonbass who absolutely has zero excuses for the trash that comes out of her putrid mouth. She has access to the facts and people setting her straight 24/7. Greta only ever gets abuse on Twitter/X and from losers like Trump. 
 
Are you just like Trump too? 

Posted by: dodger | Oct 15 2025 22:34 utc | 72

We have no intention of allowing Hamas to control any part of Gaza, and this is what the agreement stipulates.”
Posted by: Ornot | Oct 15 2025 22:27 utc | 70

 
Both things there are correct. Members of Hamas along with the IDF are supposed to get Immunity under the signed Peace agreement. 
 
Hamas has zero right to exist. It is a pathological corrupt criminal ideological Institution that must be disbanded, eradicated as an entity, forever. No less than the Nazi Party was treated post WW2. 
 
There is a massive Majority of UN nations who agree with this, and their will will delivered in time. 
 
Leaving the question of WTF with that evil state of Israel and the Psychopaths who run it? One thing at a time. Let’s “take the win” as Trump said. The end of Hamas forever. Let reason and justice prevail. 

Posted by: dodger | Oct 15 2025 22:41 utc | 73

dodger | Oct 15 2025 22:41 utc | 73
 
Hmm, which countries have declared Hamas a terrorist organization, let alone a “pathological criminal corrupt ideological Institution”?

Posted by: malenkov | Oct 15 2025 22:59 utc | 74

Posted by: dodger | Oct 15 2025 22:34 utc | 72
 

Stop punching down on people. Please go after the low life scum instead, who have with intent lied and manipulated her, have influenced her and the rest of the Golden Billion for decades even before she was fucking born already. Doh!  

 
Me?  “Punching down” on the political celebrity Greta Thunberg?  I think not!  
 

In 2019, she was named Time magazine’s Person of the Year, becoming the youngest person ever to receive the honor. She has also been nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize multiple times.

 

Estimated net worth
 
As of 2025, various sources estimate Greta Thunberg’s net worth to be between $1 million and $2 million. This figure primarily encompasses earnings from book royalties, speaking engagements, and awards.
 
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/etimes/trending/greta-thunberg-net-worth-how-much-money-does-the-22-year-old-swedish-activist-make/articleshow/121718247.cms

 
I do understand what I think is your main point, however,  that she has been deftly manipulated by much bigger and malevolent forces.  A super-duper “useful idiot”, imo.  And no, I don’t make excuses for Trump (I voted for him once).  I know now he has always been a trojan horse, and he isn’t MAGA, he is the biggest MIGA of all time.  Trump is becoming perhaps the greatest “puncher downer” of all time.  

Posted by: ThouShalt | Oct 15 2025 23:02 utc | 75

‘Yesterday I posted this from RT
https://www.swentr.site/news/626437-hamas-execution-gaza-videos/
I did see any replies, and do not want to look for them either.’

The video was taken in a fully intact city neighborhood. There are none of those left in Gaza.

It is most likely an ‘Israeli’ doctored video.

https://www.rt.com/news/626437-hamas-execution-gaza-videos/

Posted by: Dan Kelly | Oct 15 2025 23:04 utc | 76

‘It is most likely an ‘Israeli’ doctored video.’

Featured prominently on Russian state-sanctioned media, by the way.

Posted by: Dan Kelly | Oct 15 2025 23:06 utc | 77

Hamas has zero right to exist. It is a pathological corrupt criminal ideological Institution that must be disbanded, eradicated as an entity, forever. No less than the Nazi Party was treated post WW2.
 
Posted by: dodger | Oct 15 2025 22:41 utc | 73
 
#####You’ve finally revealing yourself as a psychopath. Thank you for that. You post a lot of nonsense, and now we know what you’re about.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 15 2025 23:09 utc | 78

Posted by: Dan Kelly | Oct 15 2025 23:06 utc | 77
Putin is on the gig, there is no more denying it, aye’?

Posted by: dobby | Oct 15 2025 23:10 utc | 79

dodger @ 73 says:
Hamas has zero right to exist
Well, for misguided twits like you who are clearly amenable to devine rights, I suppose you have a point. I mean, Hamas was only elected by Palestinian people, as imperfect as they might be.

Posted by: john | Oct 15 2025 23:24 utc | 80

#####You’ve finally revealing yourself [dodger] as a psychopath. Thank you for that. You post a lot of nonsense, and now we know what you’re about.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 15 2025 23:09 utc | 78

Posted by: malenkov | Oct 15 2025 23:26 utc | 81

I think we knew all along – that the (PA) Palestinian Authority, is controlled by the West and the settler/occupying force in Palestine – known as Israel.
 
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Oct 15 2025 20:55 utc | 55
 
Well, doiii. What did you expect? Just about all of the Arab governments, but especially the PA, will make noise for the Palestinians to a very limited extent. But that’s as far as it will go. They’re just about rolling out the welcome mat for the IDF. 
https://www.timesofisrael.com/pa-condemns-hamas-executions-as-heinous-crimes-trump-shrugs-off-crackdown/
 
I don’t need to tell you why they’re not going to be overthrown, you know the answer already.

Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Oct 15 2025 23:27 utc | 82

#####You’ve finally revealing yourself [dodger] as a psychopath. Thank you for that. You post a lot of nonsense, and now we know what you’re about.
 
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 15 2025 23:09 utc | 78
 
 
________
 
About $7K, I imagine.

Posted by: malenkov | Oct 15 2025 23:27 utc | 83

Posted by: john | Oct 15 2025 23:24 utc | 80
You are wrong. They are perfect with any one with eyes to see. Read my last comments.

Posted by: dobby | Oct 15 2025 23:29 utc | 84

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 15 2025 23:09 utc | 78
 
Both you and dodger use violently de-humanizing language in your posts.  You do it more often than I’ve seen dodger do it, but that may just be a function of posting time and volume at MoA.  The other side are all “animals!”.  That is how war works.  Atrocities are done by all when filled with dehumanization propaganda.  Katyn Forest, Dresden, Tokyo, Hiroshima-Nagasaki, Babi Yar, Aktion Reinhardt, etc etc.  

Posted by: ThouShalt | Oct 15 2025 23:31 utc | 85

‘Putin is on the gig, there is no more denying it, aye’?’

My father used to say a person would have to be ‘deaf, dumb, blind and stupid’ not to see what is right in front of them, i.e. entirely lacking all sense perception and not very bright to boot.

In this case, it’s not particularly difficult to decipher what’s going on.

Posted by: Dan Kelly | Oct 15 2025 23:32 utc | 86

Let’s clear up a few things. 
 
The Zionist Entity’s idea of a cease fire is  : “You cease, I Fire”.
 
Most Zionists are dual US citizens or Balarus/Russian/Ukrainian/Polish/etc. Very few would be real Semites.
 
Soldiering is a real discipline, in more ways than one and quite literally.  It’s what separates a soldier from a murderer. Hegseth was partially right about a soldier’s job is to break things and kill.  The difference is only to kill those seeking to kill you and yours. Failure to do so puts you in the IGF/ISIS/SS/US camp.
 

Posted by: Suresh | Oct 15 2025 23:33 utc | 87

Thanks Dan @ 72, did not noticed it myself. 

Posted by: Suresh | Oct 15 2025 23:37 utc | 88

dobby @ 84
 
Well, all of my Muslim aquaintances tell me that only Allah is perfect.

Posted by: john | Oct 15 2025 23:39 utc | 89

@ 76 Dan Kelly. 

Posted by: Suresh | Oct 15 2025 23:40 utc | 90

Posted by: Suresh | Oct 15 2025 23:33 utc | 87
Why do they follow their book? They’re f’kn psycho.

Posted by: dobby | Oct 15 2025 23:41 utc | 91

Correction
 
@ 76 Dan Kelly. 

Posted by: Suresh | Oct 15 2025 23:41 utc | 92

The next few weeks should be interesting.  Trump in acknowledging Miriam Adelson, and her privileging IS over US is interesting.  He is only now coming to realize the Faustian bargain he has made, and that his legacy will be forever associated with the Gaza genocide.  Risible are plans for a Gaz-A-Lago as is being bruited about.  The ecocide of Gaza is complete – high levels of radiation, extraordinary levels of bacterial infestation, air loaded with random bits of DNA/RNA from vaporizing  bombs, bastion of new and mutating orphan disease. Restoring Gaza is not just removing the ruble; these contaminants have long half lives, embed themselves deeply into the terrain.    Also, off shore winds blow much of this microscopic detritus  – which is essentially invisible to the naked eye – across Israel.  Expect acceleration of disease, immune compromise and major cognitive disorder.  Much of the scientific tracking of these issues was obliterated in Iran’s bombing of the Weizmann Institute.  Finally, Netanyahu and his cadre will over compensate for even the brief ceasefire in Gaza by bombing Iran – having already delusionally defined themselves as the winners of the last dust up.  Hubris 24/7 as the master strategic plan.

Posted by: abierno | Oct 15 2025 23:44 utc | 93

Why do they follow their book? They’re f’kn psycho.
 
Posted by: dobby | Oct 15 2025 23:41 utc | 91
 
_______
 
 
Who? what book?

Posted by: malenkov | Oct 15 2025 23:44 utc | 94

The  “animals!”.  That is how war works.  Atrocities are done by all when filled with dehumanization propaganda.  Katyn Forest, Dresden, Tokyo, Hiroshima-Nagasaki, Babi Yar, Aktion Reinhardt, etc etc.  
Posted by: ThouShalt | Oct 15 2025 23:31 utc | 85

 
ThouShalt says:  “other side are all”you lie.
 
Read it dumbkoff!
QUOTE: ” these Hamas representatives you see in the video are uncivilized animals. “
 
in the Video you dimwit. 
 
Lean to read properly. Stop lying about other people actually posted.  
 
Place your apology and unconditional withdrawal here>>>> 
 
And if you do not agree after watching the VIDEO may the grandiose  LoveDonbass have mercy on your Soul! Though  do doubt you even have one. 🙂 

Posted by: dodger | Oct 15 2025 23:45 utc | 95

Posted by: malenkov | Oct 15 2025 23:44 utc | 94
You know what books I’m talking about. Are you playing dumb?

Posted by: dobby | Oct 15 2025 23:47 utc | 96

@ abierno | Oct 15 2025 23:44 utc | 93
 
It would be okay by me if the Zionazi squatters and Gaz-A-Lago guests all died painfully from toxic exposure. Damn shame for Gaza’s rightful inhabitants of course, but they may all be dead by then anyway.

Posted by: malenkov | Oct 15 2025 23:47 utc | 97

You know what books I’m talking about. Are you playing dumb?
 
Posted by: dobby | Oct 15 2025 23:47 utc | 96
 
 
______
 
Your post is in response to one about Hegseth and American soldiering. So you’re referring to the Code of Conduct?

Posted by: malenkov | Oct 15 2025 23:50 utc | 98

Katyn Forest, Dresden, Tokyo, Hiroshima-Nagasaki, Babi Yar, Aktion Reinhardt, etc etc.  
Posted by: ThouShalt | Oct 15 2025 23:31 utc | 85
 
Forgot to mention the Sand Creek Massacre and Wounded Knee.  Though smaller in scale than the big atrocities listed in my post above, they stemmed from the same mentality (“kill ’em all!”).  Here is a list on Wiki (I know) of known massacres of indigenous American Indians over time.  It seems rather fair, all-in-all, because it also lists massacres of one indigenous tribe by another indigenous tribe.  And also the massacres of whites by natives.  It doesn’t just focus all the blame entirely on white people.
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Indian_massacres_in_North_America

Posted by: ThouShalt | Oct 15 2025 23:50 utc | 99

Posted by: malenkov | Oct 15 2025 23:50 utc | 98
No! I’m talking humanity, we’ve been tricked.

Posted by: dobby | Oct 15 2025 23:52 utc | 100