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October 12, 2025
Palestine Open Thread 2025-238
News & views related to the war in Palestine …
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Posted by: Exile@gmail.com | Oct 12 2025 12:26 utc | 1 Re-posting from previous thread: Posted by: JB | Oct 12 2025 12:26 utc | 2 Formatting is a nightmare still. I post this again for ease of reading. b will delete the bad one: Posted by: JB | Oct 12 2025 12:29 utc | 3 There’s an old joke about the guy who shows up at an old, run-down circus and promises to restore its prestige by putting on a show featuring tigers and lions simultaneously, along with a lamb. Something never before seen! One item that should be discussed in a peace deal is the ownership of the gas and oil field off the coast of Gaza. I haven’t heard a peep about that and I’m sure that US/Israeli oil interests are already planning on plundering it. Posted by: Migmaw | Oct 12 2025 13:34 utc | 5 I have not seen anything that states or implies that Israel is responsible for any sort of reparations to the Palestinians. No talk of them involved in the rebuilding, providing equipment or monies for repairs, etc. How is this possible? The US has said it will “help” rebuild, but that is only when they talk about the “Trump plan” to build work camps for the Palestinians who decide to stay in the future US-run techno-cities. Makes me sick. All of a sudden it is as though the very idea that a genocide has been happening has been erased.
Posted by: teri | Oct 12 2025 13:35 utc | 6 “One item that should be discussed in a peace deal is the ownership of the gas and oil field off the coast of Gaza. I haven’t heard a peep about that and I’m sure that US/Israeli oil interests are already planning on plundering it.” Posted by: Not Ewe | Oct 12 2025 13:51 utc | 7
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tony blair and obongo obozo stole the foreign reserves of Libya that were deposited in western bank for $ 125 billion usd .. that was the first major sacking of foreign reserves of any country .. Russia got hit with the same piracy .. also under tony blair , the Gold reserves of Venezuela .. about $ 2 billion were stolen, another piracy hit by tony blair .. Posted by: normal wisdom | Oct 12 2025 13:54 utc | 8 Leaked U.S. documents reveal that several Arab states secretly coordinated militarily with Israel during the Gaza war under U.S. Central Command to counter Iran, per The Washington Post. Despite public criticism of Israel, Qatar, Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, and the UAE held joint planning meetings and even trained on Hamas-style tunnel warfare at Fort Campbell. The alliance endured despite Israel’s September strike in Doha, and under Trump’s Gaza peace plan, these states will help enforce the ceasefire and train a new Palestinian police force with 200 U.S. troops. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Oct 12 2025 14:00 utc | 9 UN resolution 12626 and the Peking Declaration both from 2024 remain the best hope for Israelis to have a secure and lasting Peace. period. Posted by: Exile | Oct 12 2025 14:05 utc | 10 Leaked U.S. documents reveal that several Arab states secretly coordinated militarily with Israel during the Gaza war under U.S. Central Command to counter Iran, per The Washington Post. Despite public criticism of Israel, Qatar, Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, and the UAE held joint planning meetings and even trained on Hamas-style tunnel warfare at Fort Campbell. The alliance endured despite Israel’s September strike in Doha, and under Trump’s Gaza peace plan, these states will help enforce the ceasefire and train a new Palestinian police force with 200 U.S. troops.
Posted by: teri | Oct 12 2025 14:20 utc | 11 ***Migmaw@5 “One item that should be discussed in a peace deal is the ownership of the gas and oil field off the coast of Gaza. “….. Posted by: Jerr | Oct 12 2025 14:21 utc | 12 Israeli Defense Minister Yisrael Katz : The biggest challenge facing Israel after the release of the prisoners is the direct demolition of all tunnels in Gaza by the military and through the US-led international mechanism. x
OK Cancel Signer.Digital x Current Domainis trying to detect smartcards connected, or read certificate or use key for signing/encryption. Please select your option. Website Posted by: india-guy | Oct 12 2025 14:26 utc | 13 Lets see what other journalist say when they reach the land of the genocide. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Oct 12 2025 14:33 utc | 14 Sorry for the trailing garbage. I am still trying to figure out how to post. Posted by: india-guy | Oct 12 2025 14:33 utc | 15 Posted by: Republicofscotland | Oct 12 2025 14:33 utc | 14 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 12 2025 14:37 utc | 16 The Africans have a term for it. Ubuntu. Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 12 2025 14:39 utc | 17 Watch the next move will be ” Free Chechnya !” and decades of brigand war throughout occupied Ukraie to keep the Rus pinned down.Maybe even a revolt in Dagistan, they have the best caviar on the Caspian!! Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 12 2025 14:40 utc | 18 Sohaib Masalmeh Channel “The Israeli Broadcasting Authority According to Palestinian figures, the Palestinian Authority will play a central role in selecting the technocrats who will govern the Strip. Those close to Abu Mazen, in closed sessions, say they have received assurances from the parties that conducted the negotiations. The same sources also received promises that the Palestinian Authority will be part of the management of the Rafah crossing when it is opened in both directions. In this context, the meeting between Hussein al-Sheikh and Tony Blair in Amman today comes. Blair will be responsible for the committee that will govern the Gaza Strip the day after the war… An Arab source from the mediating countries said that the parties are preparing for the second phase of negotiations, which will focus on who will govern the areas from which the Israeli army will withdraw in the Gaza Strip. Posted by: Ornot | Oct 12 2025 14:53 utc | 19 Repeating the set of local Palestine links…. https://t-me.translate.goog/s/youseffares19?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en https://t-me.translate.goog/s/Sohaibpress?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en https://t-me.translate.goog/s/GazaNewsNow?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en https://t-me.translate.goog/s/NewsPs0?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en https://t-me.translate.goog/s/october7_23?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en Posted by: Ornot | Oct 12 2025 14:55 utc | 20 Martyred: https://t-me.translate.goog/s/hossamsshbat?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en https://t-me.translate.goog/s/Ahaamd1985?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en Reporting from Rafah https://t-me.translate.goog/s/madinat_khanyuns?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en Other local fast reporting https://t-me.translate.goog/s/P_S_PI?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en Posted by: Ornot | Oct 12 2025 14:58 utc | 21 Riveting accounts of return, from Tareq S. Hajjaj:
https://mondoweiss.net/2025/10/gazans-march-north-again-returning-to-homes-made-of-rubble/ Posted by: Aleph_Null | Oct 12 2025 15:04 utc | 22 “Europeans rape and destroy. They have no brothers or sisters. Difficult to make a good argument that Europeans (all Westerners) are even human. Again, no humanity. They are beasts.Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 12 2025 14:39 utc | 17 ” Posted by: The painter | Oct 12 2025 15:08 utc | 23 Without the prospect of getting at the oil and gas under the Med, including offshore from Gaza, the US would never have blown up Nord Stream. Posted by: Lysias | Oct 12 2025 15:11 utc | 24 So the Gaza genocide was already being planned, including by the US, when Nord Stream was blown up. Posted by: Lysias | Oct 12 2025 15:14 utc | 25 painter – slave traders were Jewish. 😋 Posted by: Exile | Oct 12 2025 15:22 utc | 26 Posted by: michaelj72 | Oct 12 2025 15:22 utc | 27 @JB Formatting – if possible turn off javascript for site in settings. Not all browsers allow this but many do. Berry and Stoutner Privacy allow this in Android, Firefox and Fenec also, probably others. On Windows there must be various also, though have not tested. Simplest otherwise is to download a lightweight browser (the first two above for example) and use that just for MoA and non java browsing etc. With java off on Android presentation is fine, there are not the writing window options of caps, italics etc… but what you write or paste gets posted as written. b mentioned that formatting was imbeded in various layers of programming that would require a lot of work and knowledge to change to a wanted format. Posted by: Ornot | Oct 12 2025 15:34 utc | 28 reported that the Palestinian Authority has received assurances that it will be part of the governing authority in the Gaza Strip. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 12 2025 15:50 utc | 29 American and Israeli assurances are worthless. Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 12 2025 16:00 utc | 30 The elephant in the room is obviously what will happen after Hamas hands over the last hostages they still hold. The Zionazi regime will gloat over what they achieved (not that there was anything exceptionally difficult to their perpetual lying and deceiving) and reboot the Gaza Holocaust where they left of. The current guarantors of the truce will do nothing to stop it because they are either complicit from the start or have been shielding the Zionazi’s all this time from repercussions. Posted by: xor | Oct 12 2025 16:27 utc | 31 The international community by a supermajority decided on a fair and just peace plan back in Sept 2024 when it passed UNGA resolution 12626. Posted by: Exile | Oct 12 2025 16:36 utc | 32 “The Africans have a term for it. Ubuntu. “It means brotherliness” Posted by: canuk | Oct 12 2025 16:39 utc | 33 But that’s not the worst of it! The saddest thing is that we’ll pay to go, once again, as long as it’s still a good show… Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Oct 12 2025 16:39 utc | 34 ” So the Gaza genocide was already being planned, including by the US, when Nord Stream was blown up. Posted by: The painter | Oct 12 2025 16:39 utc | 35 How ultra Zionist Ellison senior and junior are doing their best to undermine BDS to help the Zio-Monsters. New CBS owner David Ellison met with top Israeli general in scheme to spy on Americans – The Grayzone Posted by: Republicofscotland | Oct 12 2025 16:42 utc | 36 ” painter – slave traders were Jewish. Posted by: The painter | Oct 12 2025 16:44 utc | 37 They have no brothers or sisters. Difficult to make a good argument that Europeans (all Westerners) are even human. Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Oct 12 2025 16:44 utc | 38 The f*ckin UN – typical – it cannot be trusted to do the right thing. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Oct 12 2025 16:44 utc | 39 ” You’re better than this, Love. Posted by: The painter | Oct 12 2025 16:47 utc | 40 8200 Unit – Zio-Monsters exposed. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Oct 12 2025 16:50 utc | 41 Could it be arranged for Trump and all his followers to be swallowed up into the Red Sea. A nice little Moab on Sharm al Sheikh would do the job nicely. Posted by: Giyane | Oct 12 2025 16:51 utc | 42 I find it strange that fate two years of utter destruction, starvation and slaughter. The Jewish hostages looked, clean, healthy, with clean clothes and well fed. While Hamas had nice clean uniforms and guns and also looked fed. All the videos of combat out of Gaza show Palestinian fighters in rag tag, street clothes style “uniforms”. Posted by: The painter | Oct 12 2025 16:55 utc | 43 Hopefully just the start of many prosecutions. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Oct 12 2025 17:00 utc | 44 Why everyone so glum around here? Hamas won (since they survived), and Israel lost (since it didn’t finish the job). Posted by: Muhammed Z. | Oct 12 2025 17:02 utc | 45 I’m not surprised at this at all – Uni’s in Scotland are English security services safe houses. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Oct 12 2025 17:04 utc | 46 Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Oct 12 2025 16:44 utc | 39 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 12 2025 17:14 utc | 47 I find it strange that fate two years of utter destruction, starvation and slaughter. The Jewish hostages looked, clean, healthy, with clean clothes and well fed. While Hamas had nice clean uniforms and guns and also looked fed. All the videos of combat out of Gaza show Palestinian fighters in rag tag, street clothes style “uniforms”. Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 12 2025 17:18 utc | 48 “Atheists (don’t know you’re one) will never understand the world because they deny themselves information while they deny the unseen (unsensed). Posted by: The painter | Oct 12 2025 17:31 utc | 49 Posted by: The painter | Oct 12 2025 16:55 utc | 44 Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Oct 12 2025 17:35 utc | 50 “Which painter are you alluding / aspiring to? The shitty, talentless, fascist painter? Posted by: The painter | Oct 12 2025 17:47 utc | 51 Mahmood OD: Moves To Lebanon Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 12 2025 17:52 utc | 52 What about Precious Armageddon? Jesus2/Messiah will never show up with this Peace Shit! /s Posted by: Nobody | Oct 12 2025 18:15 utc | 53 From The Cradle
The Arab states seem quite corrupt. Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 12 2025 18:24 utc | 54 Posted by: The painter | Oct 12 2025 16:44 utc | 38 Posted by: normal wisdom | Oct 12 2025 18:25 utc | 55 From Middle East Eye Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 12 2025 18:29 utc | 56 Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Oct 12 2025 16:39 UTC | 35 Just to clarify the status of the “Trump plan” : Posted by: JB | Oct 12 2025 18:51 utc | 58 I wouldnt talk about spiritual things as you are not a good representation. Also, talk about missing my point. Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 12 2025 18:52 utc | 59 @30 Arch From Bliar I should imagine, meaning also from the rest of the posse. It’s not even funny … there are gangs in Gaza headed by ex-Fatah fully integrated with occupation… one I saw didn’t even look to be from the region. What it seems like though is an attempt at culminating Fatah’s dispute with Hamas, i.e. its original attempt to negate the elections and overthrow Hamas. Then “Israel” will be nice(r) to them and respect them and hand over west bank, because someone at a seaside resort said so. / The direction is to erase Hamas , placing all responsibility for genocide onto it, and Fatah will play their part in that for the western audience, because they are ‘legitimate representatives’ of Palestine in the international circuit, while ‘Hamas are terrorists’. They already blame Hamas. Posted by: Ornot | Oct 12 2025 18:52 utc | 60 The Palestinian irregular forces took a two year beating of unbelievable intensity, and yet continued combat operations against the IDF until the ceasefire, indeed the day before the ceasefire they ambushed an IDF patrol in Gaza City. Posted by: tobias cole | Oct 12 2025 18:56 utc | 61 🔹@enemywatch Posted by: JB | Oct 12 2025 18:59 utc | 63 President Trump’s Jewish son-in-law tells Israelis he is proud of them for not ‘replicating the barbarism of the enemy and choosing to be exceptional.’@Middle_East_Spectator Posted by: JB | Oct 12 2025 19:06 utc | 64 Israeli Defense Minister Yisrael Katz : The biggest challenge facing Israel after the release of the prisoners is the direct demolition of all tunnels in Gaza by the military and through the US-led international mechanism. Posted by: jayc | Oct 12 2025 19:20 utc | 65 “a great book a decade in the making is the secret relationship between the blacks and the jews part 1.only uses kosher khazhar sources an epic tale. Posted by: The painter | Oct 12 2025 19:27 utc | 66 Recommended: Posted by: JB | Oct 12 2025 19:39 utc | 67 Nobody 54 Posted by: Giyane | Oct 12 2025 19:53 utc | 68 “I wouldn’t talk about spiritual things as you are not a good representation.” Posted by: The painter | Oct 12 2025 17:31 utc | 50 Posted by: canuk | Oct 12 2025 20:04 utc | 69 You can call me AS if you want. GFY. This chide of cuntishness is a ziofascist piece of work. Posted by: DunGroanin | Oct 12 2025 20:11 utc | 70 Posted by: michaelj72 | Oct 12 2025 20:17 utc | 71 UK press. ?????? Posted by: Jo | Oct 12 2025 20:22 utc | 72 They shook the crypto market. My hope it was our side and appears to be. Good job peace loving women and men! Posted by: dobby | Oct 12 2025 21:01 utc | 73 Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 12 2025 18:24 utc | 55 Posted by: pepe | Oct 12 2025 21:16 utc | 74
https://t.me/Middle_East_Spectator/24514 Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 12 2025 21:19 utc | 75
https://t.me/Middle_East_Spectator/24536 Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 12 2025 21:21 utc | 76 The delusional ceasefire and the inevitable resumption of fighting by Jasim Al-Azzawi Posted by: JB | Oct 12 2025 21:21 utc | 77 Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 12 2025 21:19 utc | 76 Surprised they were even allowed to play given the ongoing Genocide in Gaza, West Bank, Lebanon and Syria. Posted by: pepe | Oct 12 2025 21:24 utc | 78 I would like to make a necessary clarification, so that some understand their own context (and that not understanding it allows them to generate incoherent, absurd, supremacist, etc. topics and opinions): When an American or a European speaks, they are not talking to the rest of the world, but only to themselves, that is why they can invoke the rhetorical figure of “the West” as if tens or hundreds of millions of inhabitants of nations abused, violated, massacred and impoverished for decades, could put themselves in a unified block, and shake hands with a handful of inhuman, useless sadistic imperialists. It’s not like that…Except for a tiny handful of Machiavellian elites around the world, including the families that own the shaky oil monarchies of the Persian Gulf, they may think this way, but the rest of the population knows that the owners of the imperial machine are not their friends, and that they will never invite them to their table, no matter what sacrifices and concessions they make.That’s why China and Russia won the war a long time ago, without firing a shot, and why invading Venezuela would be the most immense stupidity, as well as a tragedy.That’s why little Gaza not only doesn’t surrender, but is increasingly supported by the inhabitants of these countries, who have endured all the echelons of subjugation, interference, and economic vassalage.Whether in the MOA bar, the UN, or any other international forum from which they haven’t yet been expelled, Europeans and Yankees can only see their importance through a worn-out mirror that bears no resemblance to reality. Beyond that, their opinions are recognized as ridiculous and pedantic, and therefore ignored or validated, just as a child who throws stones into the sea and claims the waves obey him is ignored or validated… @pepe | Oct 12 2025 21:24 utc | 79 Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 12 2025 21:26 utc | 80 In an insane world where any wealth besides physical is not guaranteed, are they going after crypto first? I’ve been targeted with legal wallets. They got their nose in everything digital. They’re probably watching everyone right now, like Gaza. Another conquest coming. Posted by: dobby | Oct 12 2025 21:29 utc | 81 @72 michael Saleh had his reputation attacked and was on occupation hitlist, some controversy was not explained (destination of funding for example), no judgement as until now had not heard of him, have not researched properly either. Apparently he was kidnapped and executed, possibly tortured also, with one photo purported to show cuff marks and broken hand. Posted by: Ornot | Oct 12 2025 21:31 utc | 82 On X, some people are saying it was mosad, and the three Qataris killed were diplomats who were to represent Palestine in negotiations Monday. One picture of the car looked like the entire front hood had been removed? Also, what of the other two Qatari officials injured? in another incident involving a different car? Is this real news? It is on Reuters. Lavieja | Oct 12 2025 21:37 utc | 84 Posted by: S.P. Korolev | Oct 12 2025 22:00 utc | 84 I just don’t get it. Why is Hamas agreeing to a “truce, ceasefire, peace agreement”, call it what you will. Wtf have they gained from it? Don’t they see the Izzies wil say ‘Oh look, someone shot at one of our soldiers. They broke the truce. In we go again”. Or are they maybe gunna regroup and hit ZioLand again. Or have they just had enough. Posted by: Passerby | Oct 12 2025 22:02 utc | 85 M’kay, so where are we now vis a vis Netanyahu’s unresolved court cases for corruption and tax dodging? Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Oct 12 2025 22:08 utc | 86 @73 jo “The genocidal entity “Israel” is attempting to formulate civil disturbance and rebellion in Gaza by funding and supplying collaborators to further cleanse the territory, an observer has noted. In reply, the governors of Gaza have deployed several thousand armed personel to maintain order in the areas vacated by “Israeli” genocidal forces after their two years of invasion and atrocity. This occurs as “Israel” awaits the release of prisoners held in Gaza, an associated ceasefire temporarily suspending the horrifying ordeals visited upon the population of Gaza by the entity. However, last-minute negotiations over the release of Palestinian prisoners have seen efforts at frustration by “Israel” . Gazan authorities have deployed personel across several districts, while “Israel” has already appointed several new gang leaders, all with military backgrounds. Promoting the idea of a civil war in Gaza, a retired security officer who served for years with the Palestinian Authority but now works for “Israel” suggested the territory was heading towards another round of sponsored internal conflict. ‘Gaza hasn’t changed. We still believe that weapons and violence are the only means of overthrow’ he told an international propaganda outlet. ‘We have flooded Gaza with arms. Accomplices have stolen thousands of weapons and rounds of ammunition from government stores during the genocidal attack, and all groups have received supplies from Israel.’ ” Etc. Posted by: Ornot | Oct 12 2025 22:12 utc | 87 American and Israeli assurances are worthless. I pity the muppets who continue to fall for this stuff. Posted by: Get Real | Oct 12 2025 22:14 utc | 88 “I find it strange that fate two years of utter destruction, starvation and slaughter. The Jewish hostages looked, clean, healthy, with clean clothes and well fed. While Hamas had nice clean uniforms and guns and also looked fed. All the videos of combat out of Gaza show Palestinian fighters in rag tag, street clothes style “uniforms”. ” Posted by: canuk | Oct 12 2025 22:19 utc | 90 Posted by: Get Real | Oct 12 2025 22:14 utc | 89 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 12 2025 22:24 utc | 91 This guy is good that relates today Posted by: dobby | Oct 12 2025 22:25 utc | 92 Arch Bungle | Oct 12 2025 14:40 utc | 19 Posted by: Cynic | Oct 12 2025 22:29 utc | 93 Hitler the drug addict. Controlled. Posted by: dobby | Oct 12 2025 22:36 utc | 94 @84 Lavieja The reporting is hushed, details I noticed, but should be verified: They were in convoy to a ‘truce deal’ meeting, the PMs vehicle was ahead. The vehicle carrying diplomats steered off course. It is said it collided with another vehicle. Three diplomats did not survive, two (some say three) others were severely injured (some say none survived). Though I have not found much detail, those that did not survive were said to be lead negotiators, due to be present at meetings tomorrow. Some appear to be royal family, all appear highly placed. The vehicle appears to have been a Mercedes estate. Some vehicles are now ‘fly by wire’ , some have computer controlled power assist by electric motor, some have hydraulic mechanical assist , and some vehicles have no power assist. So anyone investigating would have to start off by finding what system the vehicle was equipped with. Posted by: Ornot | Oct 12 2025 22:38 utc | 95 Well, you’ve gone and done it. Probably the most racist and hateful lie I’ve read at MOA. You’re better than this, Love. Take a deep breath and think. The hate is just blinding you, which is a shame because you know better. Posted by: Tannenhouser | Oct 12 2025 22:41 utc | 96 I was referring to the muppets at MoA who have been going on about Trump and ceasefires for a year. If people haven’t figured out that Trump and all Western governments cannot be trusted, then… It’s one thing that Trump is a mass murderer and pedophile. It’s another that gullible morons hang on his every pronouncement. Posted by: Get Real | Oct 12 2025 22:51 utc | 97 Exile | Oct 12 2025 15:22 utc | 27 Posted by: Cynic | Oct 12 2025 22:59 utc | 98 Sir Arch #19. I was just rereading today parts of Red Mafiya by Robert Friedman. The book gives lots of insight into the Russia behaviors regarding the genocide in Gaza. Russian Zionist mobsters really enjoy the fact that there is no extradition from Izzyhell. And there are a bunch of the monsters. Also one will find the reason why Clinton pardoned Marc Rich. Finally, it occurs to me that the real reason the Epstein files are not being released is not to protect Trump & Co ™, but to protect significant members of the Izzy regime. Cheers. Posted by: Formerly Miss Lacy | Oct 12 2025 23:00 utc | 99 Why is anyone demanding that I speak for Hamas? Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 12 2025 23:08 utc | 100 |
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