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October 9, 2025
Palestine Open Thread 2025-235
News & views related to the war in Palestine …
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The jewish faith is now a toxic brand thats a fact, not an anti symetic comnent. Posted by: Mark2 | Oct 10 2025 9:53 utc | 201 see the cartoon at the second link Posted by: michaelj72 | Oct 10 2025 10:13 utc | 202 From Al Manar
Will this force Occupied Palestine to stop the genocide? I do hope the Arab countries participate. Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 10 2025 10:18 utc | 203
Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Oct 10 2025 10:20 utc | 204 The Orange Imbecile has lost the fight for the Nobel peace prize. Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Oct 10 2025 10:32 utc | 205 These Jews of Israel are evil and dumb, as most fanatics are. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 10 2025 10:42 utc | 206 @ 198 norman wisdom Posted by: james | Oct 10 2025 10:46 utc | 207 Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Oct 10 2025 10:32 utc | 206 Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Oct 10 2025 10:46 utc | 208 @ Johan Kaspar | Oct 10 2025 10:46 utc | 209 Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 10 2025 10:58 utc | 209 RE: Posted by: JB | Oct 9 2025 20:40 utc | 95RE: “Russia does for instance, that the root cause of the problems in the ME is that the Palestinian state has not been established as per the partition plan.” I believe this came recently from an article posted in RT: “LavrovPosted by: Trubind1 | Oct 10 2025 1:28 utc | 138 Posted by: JB | Oct 10 2025 11:04 utc | 210 Mark2 | Oct 10 2025 9:53 utc | 202 Posted by: Cynic | Oct 10 2025 11:05 utc | 211 Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 10 2025 10:58 utc | 210 Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Oct 10 2025 11:10 utc | 212 I’d hate to see what a defeat looked like for Hamas/Gaza. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 10 2025 11:11 utc | 213 Two whole years. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 10 2025 11:14 utc | 214 Israel is still protecting the collaborators, the Shabab gang, who looted aid trucks while Israel watched over them to make sure they got away with the goods. Israel then blamed the looting on Hamas.
Posted by: teri | Oct 10 2025 11:26 utc | 215 kosher queer starmer and freaky queer tory blair want uk digital id. Posted by: normal wisdom | Oct 10 2025 11:28 utc | 216 “Israel now wrongly thinks it,s invincible.” Posted by: canuk | Oct 10 2025 11:39 utc | 217 The jews have done a lot of harm, Gaza obveously, but its the unintended consequence that will bring them down now.
Hence the esculting propagander we see now…. Posted by: Mark2 | Oct 10 2025 11:42 utc | 218 james find your local synagogue ask the off duty idf mossadicks on the door if they have a reading room with copies of the talmud in english. tell them you are simple minded goyim that wants to learn about the master race and would like a tour and a free copy of the book the talmoodicks a lesson in life but mainly goy death a bloody ritual. Posted by: normal wisdom | Oct 10 2025 11:43 utc | 219 “So what do you suggest?Remove children from their parents, put them in camps and brainwash them with your pure views? As if that hasn’t been done before with disastrous consequences. “ Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 10 2025 12:06 utc | 220 Yesterday’s Mercouris daily post began with an assessment of the ceasefire operation in Gaza. It is a short read. I agree with it. Posted by: juliania | Oct 10 2025 12:29 utc | 221 … “The root” is an editorial summation of what Lavrov said. The Palestinians should have had their state decades ago but don’t, and that’s the “root” of the problem, aside from continual Zionist Genocide. Posted by: juliania | Oct 10 2025 12:48 utc | 222 Any “peace deal” that doesn’t include the removal of the Zionists from Palestineis a Munich Peace Deal.It guarantees more war, it rewards the Genocidal Racist Thieves. Posted by: Otto Penn | Oct 10 2025 12:53 utc | 223 And this is all the entire Western Genocide machine has to show for it. Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 10 2025 14:44 utc | 224 Jeremy #100. Got a link for that? Please and thanks. Posted by: Formerly Miss Lacy | Oct 10 2025 16:06 utc | 225 The language of the first stage of the agreement is certainly subject to interpretation. Posted by: jayc | Oct 10 2025 16:31 utc | 226 What arms embargo – the Germans continued to supply the Zionist occupying force in Palestine, which is committing genocide – all through the genocide. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Oct 10 2025 16:41 utc | 227 RE: Posted by: teri | Oct 10 2025 11:26 utc | 216 Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 10 2025 16:43 utc | 228 Re: “And they want a war with China? Iran?” Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 10 2025 11:14 utc | 215 Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 10 2025 16:49 utc | 229 Trump’s peace plan is a negotiated surrender that does not stop the slow motion genocide even for the remainder of the Palestinian people in the Strip, much less the West Bank. There are no provisions in sight for reconstruction funds, nor for plausibly human so-called peacekeepers. And it puts foreigners like Trump and Blair in charge, which is insane on the face of it. The fact that this doesn’t amaze and outrage people strikes me as proof discourse on Palestine is poisoned by the acceptance of Zionism as legitimate, rather than a slight mutation of colonialism. Posted by: steven t johnson | Oct 10 2025 16:55 utc | 230 Posted by: steven t johnson | Oct 10 2025 16:55 utc | 231 It occurs to me that I should point out this is not a criticism of Hamas, which is faced with bitter necessity. Vae victis is a tragic reality, regardless of what I want. Posted by: steven t johnson | Oct 10 2025 16:57 utc | 231 @ 220 normal wisdom Posted by: james | Oct 10 2025 17:36 utc | 232 My money is on Israel getting their people back in the hostage swap and then inventing some Hamas infraction to use as an excuse to finish the genocide, with Trump’s blessing. Posted by: Dave G | Oct 10 2025 17:44 utc | 233 Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 10 2025 11:14 utc | 215
I’ve been here long enough to know that your concern here is to diminish and belittle Israel’s achievement. What is truly astonishing is the way you casually dismiss the destruction of an entire territory and the ongoing extermination of a people. Posted by: robin | Oct 10 2025 17:50 utc | 234 Posted by: robin | Oct 10 2025 17:50 utc | 235 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 10 2025 18:01 utc | 235 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 10 2025 18:01 utc | 236
Achieved objectives. Yes. What’s your point exactly? Posted by: robin | Oct 10 2025 18:17 utc | 236 Posted by: robin | Oct 10 2025 18:17 utc | 237 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 10 2025 18:24 utc | 237 Interesting, I wonder if this was the same group that Palestine Chronicle reported that the PIJ ambushed and killed 20 collaborators (traitors was the PIJ exact words) who were stealing food? Sounds like. Posted by: teri | Oct 10 2025 18:39 utc | 238 @ LoveDonbass | Oct 10 2025 18:24 utc | 238 Posted by: robin | Oct 10 2025 18:40 utc | 239 All the peace deal has done is move the genocide into “slow motion” for now. It also does little to slow the theft of land and resources and murder of Palestinian in the West bank. Posted by: Menz | Oct 10 2025 19:15 utc | 240 @240 Robin Posted by: Woke American | Oct 10 2025 21:26 utc | 241 Going to transplant this excellent, must watch interview pairing by DW of John Helmer and Scott Ritter from the Ukraine thread to this one because of the critical importance of last 5 minutes which involves the Middle East fallout effects resulting from Putin’s call to Netanyahu… Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 10 2025 21:39 utc | 242 One Jew once said potty training non- co-operation created psychopaths. Trump swears at Netanyahu but Netanyahu has spent his whole life practising withholding his poo. Posted by: Giyane | Oct 10 2025 22:18 utc | 243 Posted by: Woke American | Oct 10 2025 21:26 utc | 242 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 10 2025 22:37 utc | 244 see the 1:25 video at the first link Posted by: michaelj72 | Oct 10 2025 22:53 utc | 245 RE: Posted by: Dave G | Oct 10 2025 17:44 utc | 234 Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 10 2025 23:35 utc | 246 Re: Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 10 2025 21:39 utc | 243 Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 10 2025 23:41 utc | 247 see the photo at the first link Posted by: michaelj72 | Oct 10 2025 23:55 utc | 248
Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 10 2025 21:39 utc | 243 Posted by: Sticker | Oct 11 2025 0:16 utc | 249 michaelj72 @ 246: 1st link is malformed but sounds interesting… Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 11 2025 1:07 utc | 250 JB@211 Posted by: emersonreturn | Oct 11 2025 1:16 utc | 251 Think about what I said earlier about how most Muslims view death. Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 11 2025 1:21 utc | 252 @247 Trubind1 What exists now is a ceasefire, Hamas say there are no secret clauses. What is happening next week is the US president is scheduled to arrive. Various Arab countries and western nation foreign ministers are slated to meet to sign a peace deal, a truce of sorts. This is part talk part verified. So it remains a mystery of sorts what is in the works. Hamas refuses to disarm or hand admin to western powers, talks of local admin. Between now and then is a guess also. The troops are toted and look like US taking “Israel” side, as monitors, vs ‘internation/Arab/UN’ proposition (which is of course also part arranged at least with US). Tensions are kept high by talk of a ‘seperate event’ to occur in coming weeks…could be just gossip etc. Putin’s phone call I make nothing of, for all I know they chat each evening. In Gaza, 10,000 are declared missing now and so far. Casualties are steadily being pulled from the rubble, last 24hrs was well over a hundred. Occupation troops have moved well beyond the ceasfire line, to avoid being targeted they say. Palestinians trying to cross the ceasefire line are said to be targeted. The above is from various sources, I just note it down freehand. So not much to say on my part, just a very strange feeling to all of this. Posted by: Ornot | Oct 11 2025 1:25 utc | 253 Mahmood OD
Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 11 2025 1:26 utc | 254 RE: Posted by: Sticker | Oct 11 2025 0:16 utc | 250 Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 11 2025 1:27 utc | 255 RE: Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 11 2025 1:41 utc | 256 RE: Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 11 2025 1:07 utc | 251 Posted by: michaelj72 | Oct 11 2025 1:53 utc | 257 John G. Posted by: michaelj72 | Oct 11 2025 1:54 utc | 258 @257 Trubind1 Either they have done a whole load of work behind the scenes prepping a further agreement, have strong armed the sides etc. …which is the kind of impression the talk and arranging suggest at, or are meant to suggest at… Or it is all being pressured through, by setting the stage where parties then feel obliged… Or it is just a best attempt at forcing a deal but really very ad hoc… Or it is designed to fail and place blame for that… Or it is a distraction for other… Or…there are probably more… What I am reading that rings true, is that to get all these different players into line to agree to something is very unlikely… Meaning if there is any further agreement it is likely to be a botch of sorts that will present continuous difficulties and uncertainty. I suppose it is possible that might be set up for Palestinians to slowly regain Gaza and WestBank over say decades, as ‘a solution things getting corrected’ and reshuffle role of UN etc. …but I doubt that very much. So I won’t even start to guess. In the meantime: Raids continue on Lebanon (just now). – Military and Security Affairs Platform “With the start of the truce, the enemy’s security services, led by the Shin Bet and Military Intelligence, will embark on a broad and focused intelligence operation aimed at rebuilding the “target bank” for the Gaza Strip after the war. This operation focuses on gathering detailed information about the resistance, including its field personnel, armament, command and control systems, and deployment methods. To achieve this, the enemy will use multiple reconnaissance methods—air, sea, and land—along with technical penetrations and electronic eavesdropping on communications, devices, and social networks, as part of a coordinated effort to update its operational information in preparation for any emergency or renewed aggression.” Posted by: Ornot | Oct 11 2025 2:02 utc | 259 What is truly astonishing is the way you casually dismiss the destruction of an entire territory and the ongoing extermination of a people. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 11 2025 2:10 utc | 260
see the 12-second video at the first link Posted by: michaelj72 | Oct 11 2025 2:21 utc | 262 If you pulled your head out of your ass for a minute you’d be less astonished, White Man. Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 11 2025 2:41 utc | 263 RE: Posted by: Ornot | Oct 11 2025 2:02 utc | 260 Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 11 2025 2:45 utc | 264
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 11 2025 2:51 utc | 265 When I say that Imperial citizens don’t care, part of it is because they won’t accept any responsibility for what is done in their name. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 11 2025 3:15 utc | 266 see the 8-second video at the first link Posted by: michaelj72 | Oct 11 2025 3:25 utc | 267 @265 Trubind From outside yes, but in Gaza they are subjected to that and have to take it very seriously, not just for themselves but for those around them. The person who wrote that had most of his family targeted and killed, for example. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wdpFY_jMpUg Posted by: Ornot | Oct 11 2025 3:41 utc | 268 Richard Ceasefire: ‘Gaza Ceasefire’ Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 11 2025 4:16 utc | 269 Arch Bungle 261 Posted by: Giyane | Oct 11 2025 4:22 utc | 270 see the 46-second video at the first link. Posted by: michaelj72 | Oct 11 2025 4:54 utc | 271 Ornot 260 Posted by: Giyane | Oct 11 2025 5:05 utc | 272 today’s History Lesson – for a trip down the US-centralized Empire’s Memory Lane, Posted by: michaelj72 | Oct 11 2025 6:04 utc | 273 Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 11 2025 3:15 utc | 267 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 11 2025 6:28 utc | 274 Posted by: Giyane | Oct 11 2025 4:22 utc | 271
Of course, you’re being disingenuous. Posted by: robin | Oct 11 2025 7:19 utc | 275
note – the US military prison guards in Iraq were trained by Israelis. Those sadistic methods of torture are official Standard Operating Procedure. Posted by: Exile | Oct 11 2025 7:31 utc | 276 The bar is low, which allows these Zionists and Judeo-Christians to claim “human rights” when their thinking and behavior is bestial. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 11 2025 7:31 utc | 277 see the photo at the first link Posted by: michaelj72 | Oct 11 2025 8:13 utc | 278 https://www.unz.com/article/filling-in-gaps-on-the-forrestal-case/ Posted by: snake | Oct 11 2025 9:10 utc | 279 the tel aviver the kosher nostra synagogue of satans gift to the world. Posted by: normal wisdom | Oct 11 2025 9:40 utc | 280 Trump’s vision of what Gaza will be – Trump shared this vision with us all. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Oct 11 2025 9:44 utc | 281 Posted by: michaelj72 | Oct 11 2025 9:59 utc | 282 Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 11 2025 1:27 utc | 256 Posted by: Sticker | Oct 11 2025 10:52 utc | 283 ‘We are deeply concerned that Mark Carney says he has been in dialogue with Tony Blair and Jared Kushner to ‘coordinate’ Canada’s support for Trump’s plan, given their leadership over proposals that would install a foreign technocratic government over Gaza.’ – CJPME Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 11 2025 10:59 utc | 284 AJ: Inside Story Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 11 2025 11:16 utc | 285 Satanic Posted by: michaelj72 | Oct 11 2025 11:17 utc | 286
no one believes these lies. Plenty of Israeli military describe IDF casualties as running ~10,000 per month. That run rate would equal around: Posted by: Exile | Oct 11 2025 11:24 utc | 287 “1,972 Israeli officers and soldiers were killed, and 30,000 were wounded and Israel failed to defeat Hamas Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 11 2025 13:11 utc | 288 @ Arch Bungle | Oct 11 2025 13:11 utc | 289 Posted by: malenkov | Oct 11 2025 13:17 utc | 289 robin 276 Posted by: Giyane | Oct 11 2025 13:19 utc | 290 Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 10 2025 2:01 utc | 139What is your solution? I merely seek balance and equality, not another extreme solution, nor absolute bias and discrimination, hate or genocide, which is the problem we see now. Posted by: snake | Oct 11 2025 13:31 utc | 291 Sohaib Masalmeh Channel – “The day after tomorrow, Monday, an international Arab summit will be held in Egypt, with the participation of US President Trump, to sign a Gaza Strip agreement without official Palestinian participation. The summit is dedicated to Palestine in general and Gaza in particular, but without Palestinian participation.” – “Turkish army, European security mission, American security force, Qatari administrative force, Egyptian security force, Israeli occupation army, local armed militias. The security situation in the Gaza Strip the day after the war.” – “Witkov and Eyal Zamir inspect the redeployment of occupation forces in Gaza.” https://t.me/Sohaibpress/117108 – “A Hamas source told CNN: Israel will not release doctors Hussam Abu Safia and Marwan al-Hams.” Posted by: Ornot | Oct 11 2025 17:12 utc | 292 snake 280 Posted by: Giyane | Oct 11 2025 17:24 utc | 293 Thank you to all decent humans, like Ornot, MichaelJ, Arch, Exile Posted by: stranger | Oct 11 2025 19:13 utc | 294 @273 Giyane Sohaib Masalmeh Channel “Hussein Al-Sheikh [Fatah V.P.] : I will meet tomorrow with Tony Blair in Jordan to discuss the next day in Gaza.” Genocide …though destruction of society by undercutting local supply doesn’t have a word I think…econocide ? Intelligence gathering is like a weapon, one that can be used without personal retribution or even awareness of its use. As the tendency of public authority is to make use of any advantage available over others, we can expect that weapon to be used in one form or another. As the tendency of private enterprise is to seek out any advantage over competitors, it will merge with public authority to own a market. There you have government authority setting laws and adjusting society and law to suit a model owned by few, an ‘elite’. As always, there is the question of which of the two controls the other, but it is simpler just to label it as a complicity. Posted by: Ornot | Oct 11 2025 19:38 utc | 295 Ornot 296 Posted by: Giyane | Oct 11 2025 20:39 utc | 296 O/T Pakistan/Afghanistan hostilities escalating, some reporting available at : https://t-me.translate.goog/s/SEPAHCYBERY?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en Posted by: Ornot | Oct 11 2025 20:40 utc | 297 Ornot 298 Posted by: Giyane | Oct 11 2025 21:35 utc | 298 Posted by: Giyane | Oct 11 2025 21:35 utc | 299 Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Oct 11 2025 22:47 utc | 299 This is being reported as ‘security guards’ by some ,’diplomats’ by others. So did not post until noticing Saud bin Thamer Al-Thani … still not sure as various share similar name… Sohaib Masalmeh Channel “4 diplomats from the Qatari delegation to the negotiations and employees of the Qatari embassy in Sharm El-Sheikh died in a horrific traffic accident. The delegation accompanying the Qatari Prime Minister was involved in an accident in Sharm El-Sheikh, resulting in the deaths of Abdullah bin Ghanem Al Khayarin Posted by: Ornot | Oct 11 2025 23:04 utc | 300 |
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