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October 9, 2025
Palestine Open Thread 2025-235

News & views related to the war in Palestine …

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Posted by: Pharaoh Trump | Oct 9 2025 13:58 utc | 11
 

Greta is so stupid she posted a photo of an emaciated Israeli hostage in Gaza, to illustrate Palestinian suffering:

 
Doubt it. The second I saw that I thought it was obvious someone in her circle sabotaged her. 
 
Regardless, Greta winning the Nobel over Trump would be delicious.

Posted by: Sticker | Oct 9 2025 21:34 utc | 101

The Floutist, Keep the Champagne Corked”
When Have the Zionists Ever Kept Their Word?
https://thefloutist.substack.com/p/keep-the-champagne-corked
 

Posted by: PassionateProgressiv | Oct 9 2025 21:38 utc | 102

@ PassionateProgressiv | Oct 9 2025 21:38 utc | 99
 
Precisely this. They cannot be trusted, keep the champagne closed indeed.
 
Thanks for the link.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Oct 9 2025 21:53 utc | 103

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Oct 9 2025 14:01 utc | 12
 
 
Many analysts saying Hamas is giving up the hostas because it blows up IZ’s pretext for continuing to raze Gaza.
 
Release of the hostages changes nothing and the Resistance everywhere is well aware of that. IZ will continue to destroy Gaza, as well as find a way to attack Iran.
 
But the geopolitical PR upside of the release is all on Hamas’s side. They gave IZ whst it said was the most important goal o the genocide and look: IZ,s still genociding.
 
Also, Hamas agreeing to release the hostages also plays Trump against BB pretty well. It can at least be said with some credibilty that it backs BB i to a corner. (Though everyone knows snakes always find a way to slither out.)
 
 

Posted by: Sticker | Oct 9 2025 21:59 utc | 104

Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 9 2025 18:40 utc | 7

Do you genuily think or believe that NATOnyahoo listen to DJT?

Posted by: pepe | Oct 9 2025 21:59 utc | 105

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 9 2025 14:21 utc | 19
 
 
Exactly.

Posted by: Sticker | Oct 9 2025 22:03 utc | 106

Canuk #6
Your ”Nonsense” makes no sense.
How many wars has China started in the last 1000 years? 

Posted by: krypton | Oct 9 2025 22:16 utc | 107

Now then, Mr. Netanyahu, about your outstanding and unresolved court cases ”…
 
“What? I can’t possibly deal with those now, don’t you realise that Hamas is about to gain nuclear capability? And we must destroy Iran before they build a quark bomb”…
 
 

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Oct 9 2025 22:23 utc | 108

This is OCR of the signed agreement, and just passed by Knesset…auto translated so accuracy might be out:

“Implementation Steps for President Trump’s Proposal for a “Comprehensive End to the Gaza War” Implementation Steps: 1. President Trump will announce the end of the war in the Gaza Strip, and that the parties have agreed to implement the necessary steps to that end. 2. The war will end immediately upon approval by the Israeli government. All military operations, including aerial and artillery bombardments and shooting operations, will be suspended. During the 72 hours, aerial surveillance over the areas from which IDF forces have withdrawn will be suspended. 3. Immediate commencement of full entry of humanitarian aid and assistance as stipulated in the proposal, and at least in accordance with the January 19, 2025 agreement regarding humanitarian assistance. Implementation Steps The aid and humanitarian assistance are attached hereto. 4. The IDF will withdraw to the lines agreed upon in accordance with Map X attached hereto, and this action will be completed after President Trump’s announcement and within 24 hours of approval by the Israeli government. The IDF will not return to the areas from which it withdrew,
as long as Hamas fully implements the agreement
5. Within 72 hours of the withdrawal of Israeli forces, all Israeli hostages, living and dead, found in Gaza
shall be released (list attached).
A. Once the IDF completes the withdrawal, Hamas will begin investigating the situation of the hostages and collect
all information concerning them. Hamas will provide feedback on its findings through the information-sharing mechanism
specified in Section 5.e below. Israel will provide information on Palestinian prisoners and detainees from the Gaza Strip
held in Israel.
B. Within 72 hours, Hamas will release all living hostages, including those held by the Palestinian factions
in Gaza.
C. Within 72 hours, Hamas will release the remains of dead hostages in its custody and those in the custody of the Palestinian factions in Gaza.
D. Hamas shall share, within 72 hours, all information it has obtained regarding all remaining dead hostages
through the information-sharing mechanism detailed in paragraph (e) below. Israel shall provide information on the remains
of the dead hostages in Israel’s custody
e. Establish an information-sharing mechanism between the two sides, through the mediators and the ICRC,
for the exchange of information and intelligence on all remaining hostages not found within 72 hours, or on the remains of Gaza residents held by Israel. The mechanism shall ensure that the remains of all hostages
are fully and safely identified and released. Hamas shall make every effort to ensure the fulfillment of these obligations as soon as possible.
1. After Hamas releases all hostages, Israel shall simultaneously release the appropriate number
of Palestinian prisoners, in accordance with the attached lists.
b. The exchange of hostages and prisoners will be carried out in accordance with the mechanism agreed upon through the mediators and the ICRC, without any public ceremonies or media coverage. 6. A task force will be established of representatives from the United States, Qatar, Egypt, Turkey and other countries agreed upon by the parties to monitor and coordinate implementation with the other parties.”

Posted by: Ornot | Oct 9 2025 22:24 utc | 109

<STRIKE>Israel</STRIKE> <STRIKE>Jewrael</STRIKE> Scumrael ☆

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Oct 9 2025 22:28 utc | 110

If there are wider agreements for how to continue after Phase 1 (the above), or written guarantees on assuring no return to hostility, they do not seem to have been published.

Posted by: Ornot | Oct 9 2025 22:29 utc | 111

RE: Posted by: Ornot | Oct 9 2025 22:24 utc | 106
 
If this is indeed the “deal”…
looks pretty rotten.
Nothing regarding release of Palestinian prisoners.
And only a “suspended” bombing campaign for roughly total of 6 days.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 9 2025 22:36 utc | 112

Israel” has been ramping rhetoric on Iran, confiscated “shipment of weapons from Iran to west bank”, has said Iran close to or possesses missiles capable of reaching US.
These are just broader background signals/noise…

Posted by: Ornot | Oct 9 2025 19:47 utc | 85
 
Not background signals or noise. This is the expected conjuring of the latest pretext for attacking Iran.
 
IZ’s goal is not security. It is not  victory (win and go home and live in peace). IZ’s goal is dominance. Dominance that establishes  unbreachable, “eternal” hegemony.
 
 
So, they march on, keeping all 7 fronts (8 now with BB’s open declaration of intent to completely dominate US media, including social media) in active play.
 
 
 
 

Posted by: Sticker | Oct 9 2025 22:37 utc | 113

Sohaib Masalmeh Channel

“According to information,

the ceasefire begins at 2:00 a.m. and the army will withdraw for [over] 24 hours.”

Posted by: Ornot | Oct 9 2025 22:37 utc | 114

@111 Ornot

Meaning ceasefire starts at top of the hour.

Posted by: Ornot | Oct 9 2025 22:42 utc | 115

“Agence France-Presse (AFP): The

Nobel Prize Committee has excluded Trump from the list of candidates for the 2025 Nobel Peace Prize’ Al-Aqsa Palestine

Posted by: Ornot | Oct 9 2025 22:48 utc | 116

as long as Hamas fully implements the agreement

 
yeah right, how long is piece of string? this will not last a day after all hostages are returned, negotiating with israel is not a sane thing to do. 
 
i hear on radio news via a hamas spokesperson that Hamas was given security guarantees by Trump USA and Arab nations – they will defend the palestinians from israel. yeah right, that is  never going to happen. 2 years hamas were stupid fools. the ones still alive still are.  
 
maybe Iran and the axis of resistance will save them? lol  the people accept this so-called “leadership / representation” ? omg. they must wish they were dead already. 

Posted by: dodger | Oct 9 2025 22:59 utc | 117

1. After Hamas releases all hostages, Israel shall simultaneously release the appropriate numberof Palestinian prisoners, in accordance with the attached lists.

 
lol, oh boy, so if they cannot find one of the bodies, maybe because israel bombed the hell out of where it and hamas people were killed, then no need to release any palestinians from jails. Gee how could the israeli govt trust anything hamas claimed … like they really find the body/bodies. 
 
clever agreement – so, when will netanyahu and co be hung / shot for genocide and war crimes?  It’s pathetic. This will blow big time again one day soon. 

Posted by: dodger | Oct 9 2025 23:11 utc | 118

 
https://x.com/DropSiteNews/status/1976377436297105767
Drop Site @DropSiteNews
 
🟢 BREAKING | New from Hamas:

Press Statement
 
The horrific massacre carried out by the fascist occupation warplanes against the home of the Ghaboun family in western Gaza City — which resulted in the killing and injury of more than seventy innocent civilians, most of whom remain trapped under the rubble — is a new act of savagery. Through this crime, the government of war criminal Netanyahu seeks to shuffle the cards, obstruct the efforts of mediators, and derail the implementation of the ceasefire and the agreement to end aggression against Gaza. 
 
The massacres and systematic crimes perpetrated by the occupation against defenseless civilians — women, children, and the elderly — embody the true face of this abhorrent, bloodthirsty entity and reveal the determination of its fascist government to pursue genocide until the very last moment.
 
The Islamic Resistance Movement (Hamas) calls on mediators and the U.S. administration to assume their responsibilities regarding these heinous crimes: to condemn them, and to intervene immediately to compel the occupation to halt its targeting of innocent children and defenseless civilians.
 
Islamic Resistance Movement – Hamas
Thursday, 17 Rabi’ al-Thani 1447 AH
Corresponding to October 9, 2025 CE
 
 

Posted by: michaelj72 | Oct 9 2025 23:24 utc | 119

Mahmoud Fanana

“When I heard the cheering, whistling and clapping in joy at the news, I stood wondering… how thirsty we are for joy that we have begun to embrace any news as if it were a holiday, and to welcome any glimmer of hope as if it were salvation!!”

Posted by: Ornot | Oct 9 2025 23:24 utc | 120

It appears that the entire point of the Palestine peace process is for Donald Trump to receive a Nobel Peace prize, Jared Kushner his Zionist son-in-in-law to make a fortune out of real estate deals on top of the bodies of massacred children, and Tony Blaire to be given another chance to suck money off the public and gain establishment kudos while stuffing something else up in the Middle East.
 
 

Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Oct 9 2025 23:30 utc | 121

Some shelling still being reported, ‘isolated incidence’ or skirmishes with resistance (i.e. anything that is taken to threaten during withdrawal) possibly…

Posted by: Ornot | Oct 9 2025 23:34 utc | 122

michaelj72,
your efforts posting key items are incredibly valuable. Thank you. RE Posted by: Exile | Oct 9 2025 11:28 utc | 356
thanks exile. let us keep up our Spirits, continue posting, and be of value as Witnesses Posted by: michaelj72 | Oct 9 2025 20:39 utc | 94
 
 

Agreed Exile, thanks Michealj72
 

Posted by: Forest | Oct 9 2025 23:37 utc | 123

It’s good to remain skeptical given the track record of israel/netanyahu/trump/witkoff et al. in focking over anyone that makes any agreement with the Western powers or their proxies/allies 
 
see the 3:43 video at the first link.
 
 
 
https://x.com/DropSiteNews/status/1976365225311146321    
Drop Site  @DropSiteNews
 
⚡️Breaking Points’ Krystal Ball asks Jeremy Scahill: “What are the areas Hamas and Islamic Jihad are most nervous about in accepting this deal?” 
 
Scahill noted that Hamas leaders know accepting the deal is a gamble: negotiator Musa Abu Marzouk told him they ‘just have to take a risk and trust Donald Trump,’ despite his erratic record. The greater danger, Scahill warned, is Netanyahu, “with a PhD in violating ceasefires,” who openly seeks to eliminate Palestinians from Gaza. The fear is that once captives are handed over, Israel resumes “mowing the lawn” while negotiations stall. One source close to the talks told him it could be seen as a genius risk — or as a trap leading to an Oslo-style slow death of Palestinian aspirations.
@jeremyscahill  | @esaagar  | @krystalball
 
—————-
 
https://x.com/Kahlissee/status/1976356558184329376
Khalissee  @Kahlissee
 
🇮🇱BREAKING:🚨HERE IT IS:
ISRAELS FINANCE MINISTER BEZALEL SMOTRICH: 
 
“Immediately after the hostages return home, the State of Israel will continue to strive with all its might for the true eradication of Hamas and the genuine disarmament of Gaza, so that it no longer poses threat to Israel.”
 
————
 
https://x.com/ecomarxi/status/1976326217977725356
Tiberius @ecomarxi 
 
“This is the best possible deal for Gaza” 
❌ No liberation
❌ No self-determination
❌ Remain under apartheid
❌ No justice
❌ No basic human rights
❌ No guarantees at all
❌ Governed by those who subjected you to the greatest crime of our age 
 
Comic book levels of evil here
 
 

Posted by: michaelj72 | Oct 9 2025 23:48 utc | 124

From Reuters
 
Israeli cabinet ratifies ceasefire and hostage deal with Hamas

Israel’s government ratified a ceasefire with the Palestinian militant group Hamas on Friday, clearing the way to suspend hostilities in Gaza within 24 hours and free Israeli hostages held in Gaza within 72 hours after that.

Does suspend hostilities in Gaza include the restoration of aid provision?
 
I think there is more going on here than the public is being shown.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 9 2025 23:48 utc | 125

Reuters is also reporting boots on the ground
 
Gaza updates: US to deploy 200 troops for task force in undecided location, officials say

Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 9 2025 23:49 utc | 126

Reality is like a dough that can be molded in a thousand ways, but it will always remain flour, water, and salt.
https://textosandroides.blogspot.com/2025/06/traicion.html

Posted by: Santi | Oct 10 2025 0:00 utc | 127

Us sending 200 troops to IZ as peacekeepers
 
https://www.airforcetimes.com/news/your-military/2025/10/09/us-sending-about-200-troops-to-israel-to-monitor-gaza-ceasefire-deal/
 
IIRC, there is already a US built abd managed military base in IZ. Will look for a link.
 
 

Posted by: Sticker | Oct 10 2025 0:26 utc | 128

Addendum to my #125:
 
2017 US opened first military base within IZ.
 
https://apnews.com/general-news-2ccf317f293d4be59b92cec5554c3db4
 

Posted by: Sticker | Oct 10 2025 0:30 utc | 129

 
 
https://theonion.com/israel-agrees-to-go-back-to-killing-palestinians-on-less-frequent-basis/ 
 
Israel Agrees To Go Back To Killing Palestinians On Less Frequent Basis   
 
CAIRO—As part of a historic ceasefire agreement with Hamas following two years of war, the Israeli government reportedly agreed Thursday to go back to killing Palestinians on a less frequent basis. “In line with the terms of the deal, Hamas will release all remaining Israeli hostages, and Israel will still murder innocent Palestinian civilians on a regular basis, but at a slightly slower pace than we have been of late,” said Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, ratifying the accord that would temporarily promote the systematic discrimination, dehumanization, and persecution of the Palestinian people over their outright genocide.
 
“Once the hostages are freed, we will dial down the attacks on Gaza hospitals, schools, and aid centers by roughly 10%, give or take. I have had my staff lay out a less rigorous schedule for committing atrocities, and in the down time, the IDF can always fall back on horrific maiming practices and general torture. It was a major concession on my part, but I have been convinced that it’s the only way to get our people home safe, and for Israel to continue committing human rights violations without consequence.”   
 
Netanyahu assured the rest of the world it would soon go back to never hearing about the routine slaughter of the Palestinian people, as opposed to barely hearing about it.
 

Posted by: michaelj72 | Oct 10 2025 0:40 utc | 130

Well then!  I would say that the next week in Occupied Palestine should prove to be historical, regardless of how reality plays out.
 
Will an attack on Iran be part of this next week or soon thereafter?
 
@ michaelj72 | Oct 10 2025 0:40 utc | 127 with the report from The Onion…….I had to back up and read the link which I didn’t do initially…they nailed it…thx for all your reporting

Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 10 2025 0:52 utc | 131

I am now watching the Judge and Col. Wilkerson who is saying that war with Iran is coming soon.
 
Probably as soon as the hostages are released, I expect.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 10 2025 1:00 utc | 132

So before the war started there was +\- 2 million in Palestine. We know at least 60K or so were killed with the unkunks possibly up to 400K or so. That is roughly 25%. After being starved all this time the current generation of young ones there will have stunted development and a huge portion of the women will no longer be able to procreate.
 
I can’t see why they would take this deal. In the next fight they will be far, far weaker with poorer leadership at all levels.
 
I really think they had one chance and one chance only. They had to hold out until the volume of IDF and Israeli crime was finally so much that noone could ignore it. 
It was slowly starting, recognition of statehood trickling in.
 
 They are doomed now. The next round might be the decisive blow.

Posted by: Archetypex | Oct 10 2025 1:01 utc | 133

Mahmoud Fanana
“When I heard the cheering, whistling and clapping in joy at the news, I stood wondering… how thirsty we are for joy that we have begun to embrace any news as if it were a holiday, and to welcome any glimmer of hope as if it were salvation!!”
Posted by: Ornot | Oct 9 2025 23:24 utc | 117
 
It’s an extreme collective trauma induced mass psychosis. They can’t help it.  A permanent state of PTSD makes one unable to process reality. Everything becomes a Trigger event. I feel so sad for them all. And their deep loss. I am powerless too. 

Posted by: dodger | Oct 10 2025 1:09 utc | 134

The Islamic Resistance Movement (Hamas) calls on mediators and the U.S. administration to assume their responsibilities regarding these heinous crimes: to condemn them, and to intervene immediately to compel the occupation to halt its targeting of innocent children and defenseless civilians. Islamic Resistance Movement – HamasThursday, 17 Rabi’ al-Thani 1447 AHCorresponding to October 9, 2025 CE
Posted by: michaelj72 | Oct 9 2025 23:24 utc | 116

Jesus, get a clue. This is insane talk by a nutter not connected to reality. 
 
No “mediators or the U.S. administration” are coming to help you. Not now not ever. 

Posted by: dodger | Oct 10 2025 1:13 utc | 135

I have been observing the Israel -Palestine situation all of my life and I am now past 70. I  have seen countless efforts to broker peace given all sorts of names like “Road Map To Peace”; “Two State Solution”; etc etc., but I  have never thought any of these distraction processes were genuine.
 
Netanyahu follows in the footsteps of leaders like Ariel Sharon who was also called ‘The Butcher’ and massacred countless Palestinians as well. 
 
The vast majority of deaths have been Palestinians over the years sometimes at the rate of 10:1
 
Nothing ever changes.
 
Israeli-Zionist fascism dominates, and any time an Israeli even just has to face negative criticism, out comes the “Antisemitic” claim once again, and Western media pushes that line while calling Palestinians ‘terrorists’, whether Hamas or not, for simply wanting some stability and assurance of land guarantees that never happen or are always disregarded by Zionists who want it all. What can Palestinians do other than fight back on occasion?
 
So I have little faith in anything changing for the Palestinian people today, tomorrow, or any other day, and it gets worse.
 
It will keep on doing this until:
 
The USA’s leaders, and many Western country’s leaders like in the UK, STOP backing Israel with permanent military aid and support, and offering them excuses and ongoing impunity for Israeli war crimes which now amount to deliberate genocide. Until US leaders in particular stop arguing on behalf of Israel and acting with utter bias in terms of fairness for Palestinians, then nothing will change. 
 
This entire issue can be compared to a malignant cancer. If you don’t remove the entire tumor it is likely to metastasize and continue to cause the death of the organism without fail. The tumor is fed in this case by the biased support Israel always gets in complete disregard for the Palestinian people, in particular from US leaders.
 
I am not suggesting all Israelis are extinguished from the face of this Earth, I am arguing for a non-biased, non-fascist approach to be taken for a change and support being given to both sides fairly to mediate a genuine solution.

Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Oct 10 2025 1:25 utc | 136

RE: Posted by: JB | Oct 9 2025 20:40 utc | 95
RE: “Russia does for instance, that the root cause of the problems in the ME is that the Palestinian state has not been established as per the partition plan.”
 
 I believe this came recently from an article posted in RT:  “Lavrov explains root cause of extremism in Middle East”https://www.rt.com/russia/626165-lavrov-palestinian-state-rt-interview/ 
 
NOTE:  Wording “root cause of extremism”
 
Since I’ve little trust in anything written anymore in RT, I can’t confirm that Lavrov actually made this statement.
 
If confirmed, then Lavrov is a lying piece of Hasbara crap, spewing lies and deflections as readily as Russia”s “partners” in the West.
 
1)  USReal’s genocide for 70 years has nothing to do with Palestinian Statehood or “creating extremist”
 
2) Palestinian Statehood issue had nothing to do with transporting  Muhajadeen  from Afghanistan, sending them to training camps to become Al-Queda and create sectarian violence and extremism. 
3)  Palestinian Statehood issue had nothing to do with the creation of ISIL & ISIS  ME extremism and current extremist  Al-Jewlani head chopper President of Syria.
Blaming Palestinian Statehood issue as the “core of the ME violence and upheaval instead of the presence of a hostile colonial colony thrust in the ME that uses violence, plots and sectarian hatred inciting violence and wars, then laying it at the feet of some fictitious “Statehood” issue  is as low, cowardly & weak as it gets. Lavrov—- take a hike.
Short version:  Russia U.S. full of shit.  If there were a Palestinian State that wasn’t submissive, they’d bomb it too.
 
USReal is the “cause” of the root problem of extremism … nothing else.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 10 2025 1:28 utc | 137

 
https://x.com/caitoz/status/1976260331719754179  
Caitlin Johnstone @caitoz 
 
Maybe we’re just pretty sure you guys are lying again?  
 
 
https://x.com/naftalibennett/status/1976233976978366650   
Naftali Bennett נפתלי בנט  @naftalibennett   
 
I would have expected the streets of European capitals and campuses around the world to burst with joy for the end of what they claimed is “Genocide”. 
 
Might it be that their goal was never to secure Palestinian lives, but to destroy Israel?
 
—————
 
https://x.com/jasonhickel/status/1976389487593763111
Jason Hickel  @jasonhickel
 
Western discourse about the ceasefire is so full of double standards it truly boggles the mind. 
 
The West insists that Hamas must be disarmed because of October 7… but if we accept this logic we surely must conclude that Israel, which has committed *actual genocide for two years running*, must also be disarmed, and even more urgently. 
 
The West insists that Hamas cannot have any role in governance of Gaza (irrespective of whatever the wishes of people in Gaza may be). But again, if we accept this logic then Netanyahu, Likud and the other parties that govern Israel, which again committed *actual genocide*, must also be forcibly removed and debarred from governance. 
 
The West insists that Palestinians must be “deradicalized”. How could this possibly not apply a thousand times more to Israeli society, which has actively conducted and supported the genocide with little to no dissent? 
 
In other words, even by the West’s own logic, leaving aside all other aspects of international law, we should disarm Israel, forcibly remove its government, and impose deradicalization on Israeli society in order to prevent it from posing any further threat.
 

Posted by: michaelj72 | Oct 10 2025 1:34 utc | 138

RE: Posted by: michaelj72 | Oct 10 2025 1:34 utc | 135
 
Because there is no logic.
Only narrative 
There is no law.
Only armed violence & power projection.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 10 2025 1:43 utc | 139

I see we have the usual slandering of Lavrov without having read what he said. The official transcript of his interview with RT is available in full in Russian and is almost completed in English–the Palestinian portion is however.
 
“The root” is an editorial summation of what Lavrov said. The Palestinians should have had their state decades ago but don’t, and that’s the “root” of the problem, aside from continual Zionist Genocide.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 10 2025 1:54 utc | 140

The problem with class theory is the same problem with unions. An abstraction that hides accountability.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 9 2025 16:54 utc | 47

The problem here is that you’re conversing with Ahenobarbus, who seeks to hide his repugnant fascist tendencies with a coat of Marxism. Ahenobarbus’s duplicity serves the dual purpose of discrediting Marxism as well.
 

There is nothing more disgusting than the European-american worker taught to hate himself by his masters.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Oct 9 2025 16:36 utc | 46

By purposefully conflating the Western proletariat as belonging to the same class as the Global South proletariat, fake “communists” like Ahenobarbus seek to sow confusion and bring about fascism to help capitalists in the imperial core to temporarily resolve the contradictions of capitalism, much like how Hitler latched onto the masses’ instinctive support for socialism by introducing the term “national socialism” to shepherd them into fascism.
 
Actual communists like Engels in 1858 and Lenin in 1916 have concluded that the interests of the workers (proletariat) in the imperial core countries diverge from the workers being oppressed in the Global South.

For example, on October 7, 1858, Engels wrote to Marx: “The English proletariat is actually becoming more and more bourgeois, so that this most bourgeois of all nations is apparently aiming ultimately at the possession of a bourgeois aristocracy and a bourgeois proletariat alongside the bourgeoisie. For a nation which exploits the whole world this is of course to a certain extent justifiable.”
 
In France, the workers employed in the mining industry are, “in great part,” foreigners: Poles, Italians and Spaniards.[11] In the United States, immigrants from Eastern and Southern Europe are engaged in the most poorly paid jobs, while American workers provide the highest percentage of overseers or of the better-paid workers.[12] Imperialism has the tendency to create privileged sections also among the workers, and to detach them from the broad masses of the proletariat.

 
Never trust the words of Americans or American wannabes, even those who claim to support the Global South.
 
Death to America
Marg bar Âmrikâ
Marg bar Âmrikâ
Marg bar Âmrikâ

Posted by: All Under Heaven | Oct 10 2025 2:00 utc | 141

RE:
“support being given to both sides fairly to mediate a genuine solution.”
Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Oct 10 2025 1:25 utc | 133
 
At 70, you fail to see the most obvious…
ANY  Ethno Supremacist entity, state or not, is an affront to all of humanity. It is an anathema to all humanity. This ideology can never co-exist with humanity.  It will always meet its doom, because it is unnatural … like beastiality, and will never be accepted.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 10 2025 2:01 utc | 142

It’s rather telling that the first instinct of Americans, wannabe or otherwise, is to opportunistically use the Palestinian genocide as a jumping off point to promote Taiwan separatism or to provide cover for Japanese WW2 atrocities.
 
This American tactic reminds me of the American politician Zohran Mamdani who recently condemned Cuba and Venezuela as dictatorships and Hamas’s acts of resistance as war crimes. Citizens of the imperial core “leftist”-ly attacking nations under siege from America because these nations fail to meet the demands of these fake “leftists” is a long and proud tradition. These fake “leftists” used to chant “neither Washington nor Moscow” back in the Cold War.
 
The root cause of the Palestinian genocide is that the World Anti-Fascist War was not fought to it proper conclusion with the dissolution of the United States of America and the de-Nazi-fication of little fascists like MoA posters JB, Dan Kelly and Arch Bungle.
 
After WW2, Europeans still drove Jews out of Europe into Israel (an ethnic cleansing in other words) even though the mainstream Western narrative was that WW2 was fought to stop Hitler from ethnically cleansing Jews from Europe, and Westerners never question the incongruent behavior. Westerners are also ignorant of the fact that the first target of Hitler’s purge were the communists, not Jews. Westerners ignore the fact that America rushed in to prop up the fascist governments, with former Nazis placed in NATO command and descendants of WW2 war criminals ruling Japan. Americans rescued fascism from defeat in WW2 because Americans are fascists.
 
Japan was supposed to only attack the Soviet Union’s eastern flank after they’ve successfully created the puppet state of Manchuria. Germany was supposed to only march east to attack the Soviet Union’s western flank. That was the basis of the 1936 Anti-Comintern Pact between the two powers. Initially Germany and Japan kept to their mission, and America was only all too eager to support them. Only when Germany turned against Western Europe and Japan turned its attention south to the European colonies did America feel compelled to discipline its attack dogs.
 
When confronted with the fact that the countless Soviet and Chinese citizens perished resisting fascism, Americans also love to brag that “everyone else did the dying, while Americans did the winning” in WW2, the implication being that the Soviets and the Chinese deserve to die for being too weak to resist fascism, and that the Soviets and the Chinese owed their continued existence to the might of the proud, strong, noble White race. This is because a fascist resides inside the heart of every American, and they champion the strong brutalizing the weak. Incidentally, Zionists hated the Jews who were murdered by Hitler because Zionists hated Jews who were too weak to effectively resist.
 
The continued existence of America has been a blight upon the world ever since it was first “discovered” by Europeans.
 
When and how Taiwan will be reunited will not be decided by little American fascists (redundant, I know) like JB, c1ue, or S Brennan or the American government in Taipei or the Americans wearing Chinese skins inhabiting the province of Taiwan. The decision lies solely with the Chinese people.
 
Death to America
Marg bar Âmrikâ
Marg bar Âmrikâ
Marg bar Âmrikâ

Posted by: All Under Heaven | Oct 10 2025 2:21 utc | 143

RE: Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 10 2025 1:54 utc | 137
 
And I see we have your usual zoning in on my “slander” without reading the first 2 paragraphs.
Let no one critique Lavrov’s  go-nowhere word salad speeches.
However, my assertion  of “root” of issue still stands. Palestinian Statehood was never the “root” (or core) of division.(or extremism).
Feel free to post the link where Lavrov stated anything about “Zionist Genocide” . Be happy to check it out.
 
 

Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 10 2025 2:21 utc | 144

Posted by: All Under Heaven | Oct 10 2025 2:00 utc | 138
 
#######
 
In my experience, there are very few Americans who can understand how evil America is.
 
If they can’t comprehend it, they cannot discuss it.
 
That’s not the issue though.
 
It’s that most don’t care, but will instantly cry when a victim tries to defend themself.
 
Empire makes beasts of its citizens, always.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 10 2025 2:32 utc | 145

RE: Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 10 2025 1:54 utc | 137 I went to you ME English link.
I agree it was a much more thorough and in-depth interview.
 
However, RT’s squashed version, didn’t change this statement, which propagated my “slander”.
EXCEPT ME:  Lavrov 
“We have repeatedly let them know that the Palestinian issue, which remains unresolved for nearly 80 years now, ***is the main factor fueling extremism in the Middle East***. Children are born and then go to school, where they are taught that they ….”  Blah blah and lies.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 10 2025 2:36 utc | 146

Putin Conveys Israeli ‘Disinterest’ in War as Iran-Russia Strategic Accord Enters Force
 
https://x.com/mashabani/status/1976376867268722984
 
“Apparent Russian involvement in Israel-Iran signalling comes as Iran-Russia Strategic Cooperation Agreement comes into force and as purported leak claims Iran has signed deal to buy 48 Russian Su-35 fighter jets…”

Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 10 2025 2:40 utc | 147

‘The root cause of the Palestinian genocide is that the World Anti-Fascist War was not fought to it proper conclusion with the dissolution of the United States of America and the de-Nazi-fication of little fascists like MoA posters JB, Dan Kelly and Arch Bungle.’

Maybe we’re all in cahoots.

Geez, I’m just a ‘little’ fascist? Is there even such a thing?

https://tinyurl.com/4r5urk2a

Posted by: Dan Kelly | Oct 10 2025 2:44 utc | 148

Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 10 2025 2:01 utc | 139
What is your solution?  Perhaps genocide of all Israelis, Jews, and Americans? Arrest all Jews and Israelis and Americans/others in the world and jail them? Euthanasia/eugenics? Is that what you are inferring?  I see nothing practical in what you are declaring. Or do you just want to argue without offering anything sensible or realistic?
 
I merely seek balance and equality, not another extreme solution, nor absolute bias and discrimination, hate or genocide, which is the problem we see now.

Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Oct 10 2025 2:45 utc | 149

Every day that the Zionist West is involved in West Asia without success is a victory of sorts.
 
The West cannot sustain logistics, manpower, munitions, or finance for very long.
 
It’s like hamstring IMG an opponent in a knife fight.
 
Soon, Trump will be begging Hamas as he begged Ansar Allah and Iran.
 
West Asia will be the graveyard of the West and Russia and China will have relatively clean hands.
 
Parfait.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 10 2025 2:47 utc | 150

Hamstringing an opponent…

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 10 2025 2:48 utc | 151

“USReal is the “cause” of the root problem of extremism … nothing else.”
 
Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 10 2025 1:28 utc | 134
Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 10 2025 2:01 utc | 139
 
It’s more or less what I said, to yet you criticize me?  
 

Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Oct 10 2025 2:53 utc | 152

This is a truly awesome discussion, Dave Smith and Nick Fuentes yesterday.  It’s very long, and I know that most don’t have the needed attention spans to listen to stuff like this, but it should be made available to the MoA community anyway….
 
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ms3ZgvvgiN4

Posted by: ThouShalt | Oct 10 2025 2:59 utc | 153

“Children are born and then go to school, where they are taught that they ….”  Blah blah and lies.”
Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 10 2025 2:36 utc | 143
 
So what do you suggest?
Remove children from their parents, put them in camps and brainwash them with your pure views? As if that hasn’t been done before with disastrous consequences. 

Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Oct 10 2025 3:03 utc | 154

That Dave Smith/Nick Fuentes discussion posted above already has a million views after one day.  That’s just on YouTube.  Nick’s Rumble channel also has a shitload of views.  I do sugeest watching it.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ms3ZgvvgiN4
 

Posted by: ThouShalt | Oct 10 2025 3:25 utc | 155

The Zionists aren’t the only zealots. If we’re looking for a factor to blame, first UK then US Imperialism is at fault and lies at the root of the problem.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 10 2025 3:29 utc | 156

michaelj72  135
 
We know from the Syria War that Trump’s  logic is about getting  the intended outcome, which is presumably West Asian Oil. A tiny show of solidarity among the Muslim countries in West Asia and he is reaching for the red Stop button. He can see what we can all see, that Israel’s and his own US’ and UK”,  obscene behaviour might put Chinese weapons in the hands of Muslims who might proceed to wipe out his permanent aircraft carrying in ME. Thus destroying their very purpose for being there.
 
This is the genius of Sinwar , that the US needs West Asia to be running smoorhly, or USUKIS is toast. Or more accurately, without oil, reverting to a new stone age.
 
What Trump logic  doesn’t understand is that USUKIS has already gone too far and the false flag of USUKIS ‘ deployment of the Hannibal Foctrine 2 years ago, has already triggered the destruction of Israel, of NATO,  EU, and much more, through the enormity of its Lies, and the ruthlessness and maniacal persistence in performing its genocidal massacres.
 
Israel delenda est, together with everything that Western  colonialism stands for.  The destruction of Israel will be the destruction of the West. Inshallah.
The wheels of Justice are exceeding slow , but grind exceeding small. 
 

Posted by: Giyane | Oct 10 2025 3:49 utc | 157

154
 
Palantir have re-gamed it out on their crap predictive software. Nutter’s mad idea , to grab power in West  Asia to “” secure  “” the oil  has backfired. 
Better grab Venezuela. What ciuld possibly go wrong with a man who grabs pussies,  grabbing South America?

Posted by: Giyane | Oct 10 2025 4:01 utc | 158

 
 
https://x.com/RamAbdu/status/1976014018067431723  
Ramy Abdu  @RamAbdu 
 
While there was no “October 7” in the West Bank — the so-called oasis of peace and coexistence — here’s what Israeli settlers did today: 
 
•Killed a young man in Deir Jarir, Ramallah, shooting him point-blank; three others were seriously injured.
•Shot and wounded two young men in Atara, one critically in the head.
•Attacked the outskirts of Silwad, injuring several residents.
•Opened fire on youths in Huwara, injuring one in the leg.
•Assaulted olive pickers in Wadi Sa’ir, Hebron, cutting trees and stealing crops.
•Stole livestock feed and attacked Palestinian vehicles in Deir Dibwan.
•Tried to run over children and a woman in Masafer Yatta, Hebron.
•Stole olive harvests in Burin and Tarmas’aya near Ramallah.
•Attacked homes in al-Hadidiya, Tubas, injuring a woman.
•Stole olive crops in al-Nazla al-Sharqiya, Tulkarm.
•Attacked farmers in Aqraba and Yanun near Nablus.
•Assaulted Palestinian vehicles near Kafr Haris, Salfit.
 
This is Israel’ “peace” in the West Bank today.
 
—————-
 
https://x.com/caitoz/status/1976390322541428997  
Caitlin Johnstone  @caitoz 
 
When normal people get a ceasefire agreement they think “Good, this means we can finally stop fighting and killing.” Whenever Israelis get a ceasefire agreement they go, “This means we have to hurry up and kill as many people as possible before it takes effect.”
 
 
—————
 
https://x.com/ecomarxi/status/1976309104789561729
Tiberius @ecomarxi
 
✅ Ceasefire agreement
❌ End of the genocide
❌ Dismantling of apartheid
❌ Liberation for Palestine
❌ True self-determination
❌ Right of return
❌ Accountability for the perpetrators
❌ Accountability for the enablers
❌ An end to Zionism 
 
We. Do. Not. Stop.
 

Posted by: michaelj72 | Oct 10 2025 4:05 utc | 159

The Zionists aren’t the only zealots. If we’re looking for a factor to blame….
Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 10 2025 3:29 utc | 153

 
I love to see the endless excuses to put the blame on the disorganized goys for things that well organized Zionism does.  Yep, let’s blame the little people.  Not anyone like, oh I don’t know, like maybe Victoria Nuland, Antony Blinken, Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, the New York Times editorial staff, yada yada.  Nope, punch down at the bubba!

Posted by: ThouShalt | Oct 10 2025 4:07 utc | 160

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 10 2025 3:29 utc | 153
“The Zionists aren’t the only zealots. If we’re looking for a factor to blame, first UK then US Imperialism is at fault and lies at the root of the problem.”
I completely agree. If the latter two keep feeding the beast….
 
It’s the same for the history of genocides and perpetrators of such horrors –  they are not always the products of zealots either, and can have different motivations behind them. Just look at what happened to the American Indians. 

Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Oct 10 2025 4:12 utc | 161

I see it all across the internet by intellectuals: punch down on bubba.

Posted by: ThouShalt | Oct 10 2025 4:19 utc | 162

Punching down is alot easier and is less risky than punching up.  

Posted by: ThouShalt | Oct 10 2025 4:22 utc | 163

Genocide is a relatively recent term, but there are many examples that could be considered genocides in the past and they are often for different reasons. Imperialism and control of other ethnic groups are perhaps better descriptors than some other motivating factors like zealotry. 
https://www.worldatlas.com/disasters/the-10-worst-genocides-in-history.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocides_in_history_(1490_to_1914)

Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Oct 10 2025 4:24 utc | 164

Everyone in America thinks WWII was fought ONLY to save the Jews.  It’s all about Jews in the minds of Americans.  See the many museums.  But Americans have never been told that Nazis considered slavic peoples to be untermenchen subject to genocide.  Nope, it’s only about Jews.

Posted by: ThouShalt | Oct 10 2025 4:37 utc | 165

Zero  people in the US or Europe are ever informed of Nazi Germany’s race-hate against Slavic people.  Nope.  The only “hate” they ever hear about is hate against Jews.  Reminder that 27 million Russians dies in WWII defeating Nazi Germany.  That massive loss of life is never even considered as a “holocaust”.  In US media, doesn’t matter.

Posted by: ThouShalt | Oct 10 2025 4:48 utc | 166

None of what I am about to say justifies what we do in genocide, but as humans we have a track record of often trying to destroy entire species of other animals if we don’t like them because they are dangerous to us, or they conflict with our interests. Go to Europe and see how many bears walk around in the forests these days for example = approximately zero in many areas. Same for other animals in the world that we seen as dangers to our species like lions, tigers, snakes, sharks, crocodiles etc. etc. We’ve been trying to wipe out some insect species for centuries for health, comfort, and agricultural reasons, same as mammals we call pests like rats and mice.
Humans will do the same to other humans under certain conditions and right now we see efforts to eliminate Russians in Ukraine for example, as well as the obvious in Gaza. It’s not new. 
Nothing justifies this behaviour, but it is hard to stop when those in power with the weapons to back their views override the wishes of many who find this sort of behaviour repulsive.
 
 
 
 

Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Oct 10 2025 4:48 utc | 167

‘Not anyone like, oh I don’t know, like maybe Victoria Nuland, Antony Blinken, Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, the New York Times editorial staff, yada yada. Nope, punch down at the bubba!’

The punching down is rampant here.

Also, putting the generic ‘UKUS imperialism’ before Zionism itself and not mentioning that the countries themselves are thoroughly Zionized is not exactly rigorous scholarship, to say the least.

Further, there is no hint at all that Russia itself may be Zionized because that would then force one to consider its ties to Russian malfeasance and it is proven endlessly here that it is utterly impossible for Russian propagandists to even consider that such a thing as Russian malfeasance exists to any serious degree.

Speaking of punching down on the US populace ‘Judge Nap’ and Colonel Wilkerson just did so at the end of their otherwise informative most recent conversation. The fact that most Russians know Engish but most Americans don’t know Russian was something the pair shared a rather hearty laugh over.

Let’s all pause to remember that Wilkerson is lucky he’s not before a firing squad for all the wanton warmaking and destruction he’s been involved with in his illustrious government military career. And Andrew Napolitano certainly wouldn’t have settled with his two accusers if he weren’t guilty of sexually molesting both of them.

Both these men ought to be very very careful about what they say given their own backgrounds.

Most Americans outside the well-to-do have an economic boot on their throat and no time to learn Russian which isn’t taught in schools anyway.

It was always Chinese we stupid Americans were supposed to learn, remember? We’ve been told that since around 1980.

https://tinyurl.com/3rydd6yn

Posted by: Dan Kelly | Oct 10 2025 4:51 utc | 168

see the 1:22 video at the second link
 
 
https://x.com/Ahmed_hassan_za/status/1976400762789069224  
Ahmed Hassan🇾🇪   @Ahmed_hassan_za 
 
Don’t worry, I want to reassure you, world. Yemen will find another legitimate reason to bomb Israel 😂😂😂
 
——————
 
https://x.com/DropSiteNews/status/1976346159913312480  
Drop Site @DropSiteNews   
 
“The first thing you have to realize is that a nuclear-armed serial killer masquerading as a nation state, with the full backing of the United States, has failed to impose a surrender on Palestinians wearing Adidas flip-flops, track suits, and operating with largely domestically manufactured weapons.”
— Jeremy Scahill on the @intifada podcast. Listen to the full interview in the post linked below.
 
—————-   
 
https://x.com/vampl0vrrr/status/1976245105226023166  
🕷️  @vampl0vrrr 
 
ceasefire isn’t enough, i need isr*el destroyed.  
 
 

Posted by: michaelj72 | Oct 10 2025 5:12 utc | 169

The punching down is rampant here.
Posted by: Dan Kelly | Oct 10 2025 4:51 utc | 165

 
It is.  And they think they are being  noble.  Gut wrenching sycophancy to power.

Posted by: ThouShalt | Oct 10 2025 5:15 utc | 170

Posted by: Dan Kelly | Oct 10 2025 4:51 utc | 165
 
Simplistic solutions are a common trait for many people.
Holding contradictory thoughts which can equate to hypocrisy is common too. 
Everybody has massive gaps in knowledge and understanding.
Our biggest problem is ignorance, but we all think that we know a lot, and that we are the one that knows best.
Speaking another language is often a key into another culture and that makes us less fearful of the other tribe over the hill. I think we tend to fear countries when we cannot understand the language they speak. 
Some people argue against war and genocide here, but sometimes I get the feeling that they would like to kill or genocide other comment makers when they disagree with their specific point of view.
 
 

Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Oct 10 2025 5:21 utc | 171

Israeli Government Approves Gaza Ceasefire Agreement at 1 am Friday…
 
https://x.com/DropSiteNews/status/197647805649252400
 
Ceasefire now in effect…”

Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 10 2025 5:29 utc | 172

Above corrected: Ceasefire Now in Effect
https://x.com/DropSiteNews/status/1976478056492524004

Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 10 2025 5:32 utc | 173

Ceasefire Now in Effect
 
Terrible news for the warmongers.  

Posted by: ThouShalt | Oct 10 2025 5:41 utc | 174

see the 38-second video at the first/second link  
 
see the 26-second video at the third/fourth link 
 
 
https://x.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/1976280665714004143  
Max Blumenthal @MaxBlumenthal
 
“IDF” soldiers struggling with withdrawal from infanticide addiction
 
 
https://x.com/muhammadshehad2/status/1976240110451691904 
Muhammad Shehada  @muhammadshehad2
 
🚨Israeli tanks bomb Gazan civilians live on camera despite Trump’s announcement of a ceasefire!
 
—————–
 
https://x.com/wallacemick/status/1976357525244215521
Mick Wallace  @wallacemick
 
Israel is a Terrorist State that should never be trusted, that should be Derecognised. And all who support this brutal Regime should be held to account for complicity in War Crimes…
 
 
https://x.com/Timesofgaza/status/1976231484148285683
TIMES OF GAZA @Timesofgaza 
 
🚨 BREAKING Israeli tanks stationed along Al-Rashid Street fired shells directly toward civilians waiting to return to their homes in Gaza City.
 

Posted by: michaelj72 | Oct 10 2025 6:12 utc | 175

Palestine is the front line of the Human liberation struggle.
 
And you will remember Hamas as the first of those who fought for us on that frontline.
 
There is truth laid bare.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 10 2025 6:22 utc | 176

Killing 1100 civilians and taking an addition 125 civilian hostages is not resistance. 
 
Posted by: TopaInka | Oct 9 2025 15:39 utc | 35
 
You are dealing in fictions.
 
 
There are no civilians in the illegally occupied territories.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 10 2025 6:29 utc | 177

Ceasefire Now in Effect Terrible news for the warmongers.  
Posted by: ThouShalt | Oct 10 2025 5:41 utc | 171

 
How so? Did the fire everyone at RAND CORP or sumptin’. lol

Posted by: dodger | Oct 10 2025 6:36 utc | 178

Re: The Day After 
the de-radicalization of Japan after 1945 is a useful model to apply to Israel and its worldwide network.   Japanese ethno-supremism was rooted out. The Tokyo Trials are a good place to start. 
 

Posted by: Exile | Oct 10 2025 6:36 utc | 179

Ceasefire Settlement: Crushing Victory for the Resistance
 
 
(Excerpt)…..In two years of fighting, Israel couldn’t even come close to defeating Hamas and allied Resistance groups.
 
All they could do is commit genocide, taking their frustration out on women and children and hospitals and starving people lined up for food.
 
The basics of this deal—a prisoner swap, an end to the blockade of Gaza, Hamas stepping down in favor of a united Palestinian front backed by regional countries—could have been reached on October 8th, 2023. That would have saved Israel from the complete delegitimization it has suffered after two years of genocide.…..
 
https://www.bitchute.com/video/7wDpOOfHEhTH
 
 
https://www.unz.com/kbarrett/ceasefire-settlement-crushing-victory-for-the-resistance/
 
 
 
 
 

Posted by: Exile | Oct 10 2025 6:50 utc | 180

Reminder that 27 million Russians dies in WWII defeating Nazi Germany.
Posted by: ThouShalt | Oct 10 2025 4:48 utc | 163

 
If it did not happen in Hollywoodland it didn’t happen. That is what we are dealing with. 
 
 It didn’t happen in Harvard or Princeton or Columbia or ….. either btw
 
Everyone knows General Patten on the war! lol 

Posted by: dodger | Oct 10 2025 6:51 utc | 181

Posted by: Exile | Oct 10 2025 6:36 utc | 176
American administrations didn’t keep giving endless military aid to Japan after the end of WWII. Neither did they biasedly support Japan’s motivations for the war before or after it was over and argue against prosecution of those for war crimes ( apart for Unit 731 leaders and doctors) as they have done with Netanyahu.  The US leaders were not supporters of Japanese cultural zealotry like the supporters of Zionism we see in US governments and Congress either.
 

Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Oct 10 2025 6:54 utc | 182

Ceasefire Settlement: Crushing Victory for the Resistance
Posted by: Exile | Oct 10 2025 6:50 utc | 181

 
F a r k me! That is full on psychosis level insane, by unz or k barrett 
 
I’d hate to see what a defeat looked like for Hamas/Gaza.

Posted by: dodger | Oct 10 2025 6:57 utc | 183

“Everyone knows General Patten on the war! lol ”
Posted by: dodger | Oct 10 2025 6:51 utc | 182
 
Donald Trump turned into Paton at Quantico = Fake ID
 
https://sonar21.com/donald-trumps-dangerous-tilt-towards-war/

Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Oct 10 2025 7:03 utc | 184

RE: Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 10 2025 1:54 utc | 137
Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 10 2025 2:21 utc | 145

 
Let me try to cut through the doublespeak. 
 
Russia do not give a fuck about Palestine, or the Palestinians …. ahead of the Jews in Israel. Not now, not ever. Clearer now? lol
 
Look up “out of both  sides of his mouth” 

Posted by: dodger | Oct 10 2025 7:08 utc | 185

have you guys got it all figured out for the rest of us slowpokes? lol..

Posted by: james | Oct 10 2025 7:08 utc | 186

have you guys got it all figured out for the rest of us slowpokes? lol..
 
Posted by: james | Oct 10 2025 7:08 utc | 187
 

 
The Palestine Theater Show has endless encores.

Posted by: too scents | Oct 10 2025 7:19 utc | 187

mt take..  superficial peace agreement that will be gone and back to the same genocide soon enough.. zionism still fully entrenched and supported by the west, in particular the usa and germany.. money continues to call all of the shots and it favours the zionist freaks with the money..  democracy and the peoples thoughts here don’t enter into it.. they are cast aside.. the un continues to be useless thanks the veto power of the usa to always support israel, right and wrong..
 
i hate seeing the murder and suffering of innocent people.. i avoid the msm and most often the ‘palestine’ threads for this reason..  i see it as unresolveable or only temporary..  it doesn’t help to have a crinimal as leader of the rogue state of israel who is intent on saving his own sorry ass either..  
 
russia has enough to content with at present.. to expect it to be some miracle worker here is equally insane.. this has been going on since the zionists with support from uk / usa, initiated this experiment called israel in 1948, and further back..  it is going to take a lot of history to unravel or alter..  i suppose a miracle is possible.. shrt of that, it seems the direction this has taken continues on and money or greed plays the biggest part of it..
 
can human beings get beyond greed? everyone has to answer that for themselves too..

Posted by: james | Oct 10 2025 7:23 utc | 188

Jared Kushner… flew to Israel from negotiations in Sharm el-Sheikh.”…
Ivanka’s husband then attended an Israeli cabinet meeting. “Over the next 3 days,” Ivanka’s father “also plans to visit Israel
and address the Knesset.”…10/10/25, UK Times…
https://www.thetimes.com/world/middle-east/israel-hamas-war/article/gaza-ceasefire-trump-everlasting-peace-deal-0wm9xfm0r?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Daily%20Briefing%20Oct%2010%202025&utm_term=audience_BEST_OF_TIMES

Posted by: susan mullen | Oct 10 2025 7:26 utc | 189

Israel won. They get their hostages back AND get to keep 53% of the Gaza strip as a security perimeter. The IDF will never withdraw from that area and it will become a defacto Area C, like the West Bank. Hamas is giving away all their cards (hostages), and once that happens Bibi will pound them into submission like Hezbollah in Lebanon. All with the blessing of Qatar, Egypt, and Turkey. 

Posted by: Muhammed Z. | Oct 10 2025 7:28 utc | 190

GeorgeWendell,
Those global genocide enablers will also need to be tried, their assets siezed, etc. A fair number will be charged under the Yamashita Standard. 

Posted by: Exile | Oct 10 2025 7:44 utc | 191

I’d hate to see what a defeat looked like for Hamas/Gaza.
Posted by: dodger
=========like most genociders; you gleefully equate genocide with victory. To repeat – blind rage atrocities are the hallmark of defeated militaries since the dawn of time.
 
the likud is Israelis own worst enemy. 

Posted by: Exile | Oct 10 2025 7:47 utc | 192

Donald gets Nobel PP
Jared Kushner gets real estate development
US MIC gets more money
Tony Blair gets new job opportunity to protect establishment
Netanyahu gets trusted
 
 
What could possibly go wrong?

Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Oct 10 2025 7:49 utc | 193

Posted by: Exile | Oct 10 2025 7:44 utc | 192
 
Who is going to make it happen though?
 
WWII:  the US was against Japan and controlled the after war regeneration/restructuring of  Japan.
 
Israel?  US is currently the major supporter of Israel at every level. They are on Israel’s side

Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Oct 10 2025 7:59 utc | 194

 
CNN and NYT et al. – they’re not journalists, folks, they’re propagandists promoting a savage supremacist settler-colony nation-state waging a Genocide against the Palestinian population
 
 
https://www.rt.com/news/626129-israel-information-war/ 
CNN and NYT journalists helping Israel wage ‘information war’
Reporters from both organizations are teaching how to influence news coverage of the Jewish state   
 
A CNN commentator and New York Times reporters are mentoring in a journalism fellowship launched to help Israel win the “information war,” according to investigative outlet Drop Site. 
 
Founded in 2025 by Jacki Karsh and her husband, the program bills itself as “the world’s only journalism fellowship solely dedicated to Jewish topics” and is “resolutely nonpartisan.” 
 
Karsh said she started it to “shift the narrative” in Israel’s favor, citing the need to fight “on the battlegrounds of academia, law, business, [and] media.” 
 
Drop Site described her as an “open and die-hard” supporter of Israel, citing a March interview in which she framed Israel as “on the facts side,” and called the IDF “the most moral army in the world.”……
 
——————–
 
 
https://x.com/CraigMurrayOrg/status/1976355057864994928
Craig Murray  @CraigMurrayOrg 
 
A Warning from Lebanon – In not quite one year since the ceasefire deal in Lebanon, Israel has broken the ceasefire 4,600 times. It has killed hundreds of people, including infants, demolished tens of thousands of homes and annexed five areas of….
 
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2025/10/a-warning-from-lebanon/
 
 

Posted by: michaelj72 | Oct 10 2025 8:43 utc | 195

Israel has been able to do what it has been doing with impunity for scores of years.
Israel now wrongly thinks it,s invincible.
Israel is awash with military hardware and amunition.
Remove that and israel is nothing.
That should be the way forward.

Posted by: Mark2 | Oct 10 2025 9:17 utc | 196

 can human beings get beyond greed? everyone has to answer that for themselves too..
Posted by: james | Oct 10 2025 7:23 utc | 189
 
huuman james who is human no sir the snipers tank units the aerial bombers the A I kill squad software technicians.the covid scientists the vaccine developers the glyphosate merchants.
the things the thing the turkic khazhar filth the russio the eastern europeans identity thieves name stealers
are not human but a distemper satans own.
 
here it is typical james all random weird shit happens no conspiracy here.
read the talmud james  find out what they have to say about the goyim about jesus.
 
nobody in the rothschild rokerfella school systems bothered to ask why these things are hated so much in history why the expulsion why the wandering yahoo
parasitism usury fraud murder and satanic blood rituals.
 
this crime scene must be documented from the air for weeks by folks on the ground we cannot have a 9 and 11 quick erasure removal of all the evidence.
 
we cannot have 400 hundred thousand or more innocents used as buried  foundations.
 
you just watch now the survivors all getting  the latest un monkey bird rhino virus vaccine big tech shot it is usually the first things these ghouls give to the hungry

Posted by: normal wisdom | Oct 10 2025 9:19 utc | 197

 
 
A Ceasefire is a Good Thing
 
 
It is a ceasefire. Hamas, with it’s non-parity condition against the IDF (words by Hezbollah Naim Qassem) and the Resistance forces and it’s allies, upheld by the steadfast Palestinian people, bouyed by rising consciousness of the world’s peoples, those who have refused to lie down with genocide, the millions who have gone into the street shaking the pillars of reactionary,  increasingly repressive governments  (the contradictions manifest). Even the Gaza aid flotillas, and then the Italian block- everything national strike, even the 3 warships that turned around before entering Gaza waters (see it as a beginning by Italy and Spain for government action against Israel (Justin Podur and Tarek Loubani *on Sit Rep), the UN revival of attention to the state of Palestine, etc. , world forces on the move…
 
 
Attempt to carry out the genocide of the Palestinians to be stopped for now — Trump has been pressured to act (and will face the same, rising resistance each time he falters — also, he’ll be looking for the 2026 Nobel prise) Nutjob positioning being weakened (he has to step back from the excuse to free the hostages, once they’re freed and the articulation of genocidal purpose is muzzled.) On Dialogue Works Michael Hudson recognizes that the Palestinian struggle is foundational to the world vs. NATO drive for Empire. ..
 
 
*Loubani speculated it was the military faction in Israel that took precedence over the political (Nut & Nutjobs) and refused to sustain any longer the level of losses the IDF was suffering in light of an undefinable national purpose. 
 
 

Posted by: Lavieja | Oct 10 2025 9:23 utc | 198

Who is going to make it happen though?George,
1) Insolvency crisis fot US federal gov‘t baker in the cake for 2027.  bond and gold market says so.
no moar money
no moar genocide
de-dollarization brings peace. ( and accountability) 
2) The Likud has lost a supermajority of  the young among the US and its vassals.  They‘ll never return to the fold. 
 
 

Posted by: Exile | Oct 10 2025 9:33 utc | 199

Who is going to make it happen though? 
Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Oct 10 2025 7:59 utc | 195
 

 
Everyone and Chaos.
 
The event will precipitate in the most stoopid and trivial way, but generally will be caused by the unexpected absence of an overlooked commodity.
 
Like a broken shoelace.

Posted by: too scents | Oct 10 2025 9:43 utc | 200