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October 9, 2025
Palestine Open Thread 2025-235

News & views related to the war in Palestine …

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Mommy Issues
A mythological and psychoanalytic study of the debauched US-Israel couple, where US paternal authority has collapsed into a child-mother orgy of desire, spawning a feral patricidal rage on the right.
https://www.beyondwasteland.net/p/mommy-issues

Posted by: KevinB | Oct 9 2025 12:41 utc | 1

Any bets on Israel stoping the massacres?

Posted by: Polli | Oct 9 2025 13:10 utc | 2

Posted by: Polli | Oct 9 2025 13:10 utc | 2
“Hamas” must be compromised. As soon as the juice box has the hostages back they’re going to finish razing Gaza, execute all remaining Palestinian hostages and then do the West Bank and Syria. 
Never trust European descended white people (spoken as one).

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Oct 9 2025 13:16 utc | 3

I have zero trust in any ceasefire/peace agreement made with the US or Israel.  There is no sign Netanyahu intends to abide by any of it and Trump is just a vile liar on every subject.  Note the following:
 

Urgent | Israeli Channel 12: The ceasefire in the Gaza Strip will take effect at 12 noon today, local time.

 

Israeli sources:
Life-sentence prisoners who will be released as part of the deal will not return to Gaza or the West Bank, but will be deported abroad.
 
https://t-me.translate.goog/s/Sohaibpress?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en
 
Urgent: A reliable source tells Here is the Truth: Netanyahu appears to be stalling and wants to buy more time.
 
https://t-me.translate.goog/s/gazanewsnow2021?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en
 
 
Hamas leader Abdel Rahman Shadid:
 
While Hamas and the resistance factions responded positively and with a high sense of national responsibility to the Trump plan, leading to the agreement announced yesterday, Netanyahu has been attempting in the final hours to place significant obstacles in the way of the prisoners’ issue, with the aim of creating an explosive crisis that would obstruct the agreement.
 
Hamas spokesman to Al Jazeera:
 
• The occupation is trying to manipulate the dates, lists, and some of the agreed-upon steps.
 
• The occupation must abide by what was agreed upon, and we call on the mediators to pressure it.
 
• What we understood from the mediators is that the agreement is the beginning of ending the war of extermination on the Gaza Strip.

 
 

 The bodies of Yahya and Mohammed Sinwar will not be released.. – Israel Channel 14
 
 
Hamas spokesman to Al Jazeera:
 
We are discussing approaches with mediators to achieve a ceasefire, but not based on the surrender of weapons.
 
https://t-me.translate.goog/s/NewsPs0?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en

 

Palestinians are merely a canary in a coal mine; the early warning of the latent ugliness, psychopathy & pure evil of your political/media class & what they’ll do to you
 
When you see them relishing in the mass murder of our children, do you think they’re gonna care about yours?
 
https://x.com/muhammadshehad2/status/1975707810022211614?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1975707810022211614%7Ctwgr%5Eef48286ccbd12c755648816fdba121abea2da2fb%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nakedcapitalism.com%2F2025%2F10%2Flinks-10-9-2025.html
 
Israel bombards Gaza City and Khan Younis after ceasefire deal announced

 

Israeli attacks have continued in the Gaza Strip despite an announcement by mediators on Thursday that a ceasefire had been reached to end the two-year war on the Palestinian enclave.
 
Heavy air strikes and artillery shelling were reported in Gaza City and Khan Younis overnight, according to local media.
 
Israeli quadcopters were also reported to have dropped bombs on civilians in Gaza City.
 
At least nine people were killed in the attacks since dawn, health officials said. 
 
Meanwhile, Israeli tanks blocked al-Rasheed Road to prevent displaced Palestinians from returning to their homes in northern Gaza from the south, intermittently firing live rounds and artillery shells.[…]
 
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/israeli-attacks-persists-gaza-after-ceasefire-agreement-announced

 

  • Death toll: The Gaza Health Ministry reported 461 deaths from malnutrition as of October 8, 2025, and the World Health Organization confirmed 400 malnutrition-related deaths since January 2025.

 

 
 

Posted by: teri | Oct 9 2025 13:17 utc | 4

If the Donald is going to make a last minute planned appearance in Egypt on Sat, I’m guessing the Secret Service is really scrambling right now.   I can’t think of a better place to assassinate someone.  Well. maybe Moscow.

Posted by: Migmaw | Oct 9 2025 13:22 utc | 5

Donnie wants that Putz Price, Israel wants a small Break before Iran and Hamas? Who knows….Anyway, what with the other 13 Resistance Groups in Gaza? Are they bound on this?

Posted by: Nobody | Oct 9 2025 13:38 utc | 6

“Never trust European descended white people (spoken as one).
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Oct 9 2025 13:16 utc | 3
Nonsense.
Let me fix if for you
Don’t trust any ethnic group that has substantial populations along with economic and military power.
Any and all humans will act accordingly once they have power.see Pol Pot; Mongols; Aztecs; Commanches, Japanese soldiers during WW2 -the list is endless.
Your simplistic idea is just an ill considered racist statement

Posted by: canuk | Oct 9 2025 13:40 utc | 7

piss is here rejoice goy
are you not entertained by the blood bread and circus.
the shoah goes on.
the synagogue of satan the rothsteins the larry finks the larry ellisons the khazharian mafia 
satan can only deceive lie this is not the end not even the begen menechem of the end of the menechem begin the begins golda my ears my life already.
get ready for more deception more piss in our time by murder inc.
you can take that to the world bank the imf and satans home town basel
location of the B I S bank.
covid ukrainia gaza are simply the latest tools solution for total collapse and digital enslavement.
many of the muppets here already have those digital id and fully covid boosted .
no doubt the 300 or 400 hundred thousand left in gaza will get extra covid boosters in the next few weeks.
all the contracts and deals for leviathan  oil and gas energy fields have already been concluded.
what a relief no
what a shoah most certainly

Posted by: normal wisdom | Oct 9 2025 13:43 utc | 8

Re: The Day After
The International Community overwhelmingly decided on , in Sept 2024, a peace plan described  UNGA 12626.  The Palestinians, in the Peking Declaration of  July 2024, offered Israelis a lasting and secure peace that aligns with UNGA 12626. 

Posted by: exile | Oct 9 2025 13:48 utc | 9

  1. Native Gaza population submitted to Zionazi mass murder, genocide, holocaust
  2. Trump/US and other friends of Israel/partners in crime announce ceasefire and declare themselves as guarantors
  3. Information space flooded with wild happy tales 24/7 (<– we are here, again)
  4. Israel violates every ceasefire condition
  5. The guarantors never having seized doing business with the Zionazi’s vanish into thin air
  6. Native Gaza population submitted to Zionazi mass murder, genocide, holocaust

Rinse and repeat
Posted by: xor | Oct 9 2025 9:37 utc | 350
 
 
 how many hundreds of thousands dead  and some here call this a win.
 
when the cia the aman mossadick the sas blew up the the oil rigs of iraq and said it was all saddam hussein new hitler.  the german movie director werner herzog used helicopters and super 16mm cameras too film many hours of footage  made into a documentary.
 
we do hope spielberg and ridley scott come together to document the works of the usa usa city of london and the tel aviver too film plot capture every foot of gaza from the air.
the israeli arts aerial arial  film project could easily last 666 minutes
 

Posted by: normal wisdom | Oct 9 2025 13:56 utc | 10

 Posted by: Polli | Oct 9 2025 13:10 utc | 2“Hamas” must be compromised. As soon as the juice box has the hostages back they’re going to finish razing Gaza, execute all remaining Palestinian hostages and then do the West Bank and Syria. 

Have the Israeli ever cared about those hostages? Has it ever stopped them from bombing civilians, hospitals, encampments, churches and mosques? If anything, the hostages were a useful excuse for the Israeli religious far-right to keep their killing. 

Posted by: Marcos E | Oct 9 2025 13:57 utc | 11

Trump should win the Nobel peace prize, Obama, the war prize (Libya, Syria, Yemen, Ukraine).
Genocide Joe, a name affectionately given to him by Gaza war protesters, should get a Dementia Nobel for his achievements in senility, like his now destroyed Gaza pier.
The fake Nobel will probably go to Greta Thunberg, the climate hoax grifter, for her Gaza tantrums. Greta is so stupid she posted a photo of an emaciated Israeli hostage in Gaza, to illustrate Palestinian suffering:
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2025/10/embarrassing-greta-thunberg-posts-about-palestinian-prisoners-suffering/

Posted by: Pharaoh Trump | Oct 9 2025 13:58 utc | 12

I really don’t understand Hamas – there’s not a snowballs chance in hell of the Zionists and their US allies agreeing to a ceasefire unless it benefits the Zionists – Trump’s twenty-points plan is a ruse – a ruse to give the Zionists a much needed break to rearm and re-supply and use the (PNA) puppets to brow beat any dissenting Palestinians who stand up for the actual Palestinian people into submission – meanwhile the Zio-Monsters continue their genocide unabated.
 
Letting the settler hostages go is a big, big mistake – the rest of the millions of illegal settlers squatting in Palestine  – will now see Netanyahu as a some sort of hero – yes the Palestinians abducted off the streets – and held illegally without charge in prisons, starved and tortured will be freed – but the Zionists will just illegally kidnap more later on.
 
“Despite earlier reports claiming the ceasefire began at 12:00 pm EEST, Israeli Merkava tanks have moved onto the Al-Rashid Coastal Road, firing on Palestinians trying to return to Gaza City. The IDF says the ceasefire will only start after cabinet approval later tonight”

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Oct 9 2025 14:01 utc | 13

Posted by: Pharaoh Trump | Oct 9 2025 13:58 utc | 11
C’mon Joe has got a piss prize … twice. The Santex piss prize. Plus 3 granny awards 🙂

Posted by: Savonarole | Oct 9 2025 14:03 utc | 14

Never trust European descended white people (spoken as one).
 
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Oct 9 2025 13:16 utc | 3
 
#######
 
Well said.
 
It’s not racism, IMO, it’s cultural.
 
Individualism and Capitalism were always roads to misery and suffering. The foundations of colonialism.
 
Garbage in, garbage out.
 
“White culture” is mostly war, slavery, exploitation, and oppression.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 9 2025 14:07 utc | 15

Posted by: canuk | Oct 9 2025 13:40 utc | 6
 
#######
 
As often happens, when you have nothing insightful to offer, it would be best to remain silent.
 
So rarely does one post so much and contribute so little. The “Western man”.
 
It’s not racism to call out your toxic and evil culture, your ideologies of oppression. Own your sh!t.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 9 2025 14:10 utc | 16

Peace plan my ass.
Disgusting to call it such.
It is a ceasefire imposed over the devastation of civilians and infrastructure.
If Hamas accepts it as such then i respect that.
It likely is for trump to get his peace trophy and won’t last.
No way is it acceptable for nutbar yahoo and his cohort to slither away.
How can you make peace with tyrants and murderers?
 
 
 

Posted by: simon crow | Oct 9 2025 14:15 utc | 17

All this talk about “Trump Peace Prize”, from Trump himself is an orchestrated pysop (working apparently)… he spouts all that nonsense for his MAGA base, that voted him in, based on “ending wars”… which he like Obama, has only escalated.
 
Trump knows damn well he won’t be nominated.
 
Why?  Because the nomination are mostly based on the actions of  “someone” the prior year (2024)…before he was coronated King.  Trump absolutely knows all this.  Next, he’ll drone in about how “unfair” it is he didn’t get nominated.
 
Everyone needs to quit playing into his pysop. It was always only for his base, and to deflect the “wars” that escalated and the new ones (Iran &Venezuela)  that he’s initiated.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 9 2025 14:19 utc | 18

A bit like when the Wests forces fled Afghanistan – it left behind a plethora of Afghan traitors – although the English government snuck in 24,000 of them along with extended family member some with 14 family members into Britain, at a cost to the taxpayer of £800 million quid – we only knew about this because of an e-mail leak – yet the English government continues to whine moan and bitch about boat people entering Britain.
 
“Israeli army radio reports that the pro-IDF militia led by Yasser Abu Shabaab — which fought alongside Israeli forces in Gaza — will remain in Gaza, as the army never promised them entry or residence in Israel. In short, Tel Aviv has abandoned them”

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Oct 9 2025 14:21 utc | 19

On the hostages, so few understand strategy or being responsible for others.
 
Right now, the Zionists won’t stop.
 
No one is coming to help.
 
Releasing the hostages (war criminals) is a smart move given that the Palestinians have no efficacious moves available.
 
Now voices can say, “Hamas even released all of the hostages”, who are frankly doing nothing to shield Gaza and require resources to feed and protect.
 
Stripping every iota of legitimacy from Israel is an essential step towards peace in West Asia.
 
As Israel sinks, so too does the West.
 
It’s clear the Israeli people (war criminals and degenerate bandits) don’t value the “hostages” enough to stop commiting Genocide.
 
We’re maybe approaching the halfway point.
 
Maybe.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 9 2025 14:21 utc | 20

The so called Palestinian version of Nelson Mandela – will not be released by the Zio-Monsters even though his release was part of the deal with Hamas – you can never trust a Zionists, the Zionists will renege on any deal and resume their genocide.
 
“Israel will not release prisoner Marwan Barghouti as part of the deal despite his name being included by the resistance”

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Oct 9 2025 14:26 utc | 21

1. The resistance won’t stop.
 
2. Very few (if any) of Trump’s Satanic and idiotic plans ever come to fruition.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 9 2025 14:26 utc | 22

Smotrich says he will oppose hostage deal
https://www.timesofisrael.com/smotrich-says-he-will-oppose-hostage-deal-as-his-party-weighs-quitting-the-government/

Posted by: Apollyon | Oct 9 2025 14:33 utc | 23

Dozens arrested in Lebanon on suspicion of collaborating with Israel

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 9 2025 14:36 utc | 24

I understand people who don’t respect religion. They have mostly seen Jewish hypocrisy in the form of Judeo-Christianity, not anything enlightening or insightful.
 
I didn’t open myself to Islam casually. There is so much wisdom and knowledge within it that I could not deny.
 
Example
https://x.com/SuppressedNws1/status/1976260552457416802
 
Direct commentary on what Trump and Bibi are trying to do, from over a millennia ago.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 9 2025 14:42 utc | 25

Soon enough Israel will break the cease fire.  We’ll see if Hamas has a decent plan for that or not.  In the meantime, a couple days of food and water getting in would be quite helpful for the Palestinians who are starving and thirsty.  

Posted by: Woke American | Oct 9 2025 14:47 utc | 26

Stripping every iota of legitimacy from Israel is an essential step towards peace in West Asia. As Israel sinks, so too does the West. It’s clear the Israeli people (war criminals and degenerate bandits) don’t value the “hostages” enough to stop commiting Genocide. We’re maybe approaching the halfway point. Maybe.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 9 2025 14:21 utc | 19
 
 
goyim are cattle can you actually lie or deceive a beast of the field.
cattle are as nothing unless it is a red heffer bred for the temple talmooo dicks rituals and blood works
“I am sorry,
not sorry
but we couldn’t help ourselves.
deceit deception lies fraud and death 
It’s in built in our  character 
the nature of the donmeh the turkic khazar chabad name stealers identity thieves land pirates
from old

Posted by: normal wisdom | Oct 9 2025 14:55 utc | 27

LD #15 : “So rarely does one post so much and contribute so little.”
 
just … wow 
 
as for “western culture”, as a transplant from the east to the west, I love western culture: from Socrates and Plato to the renaissance to the modern age. All cultures have practiced imperialism when they had a chance … witness the Persian, Mongol, Arab, various Meso-American, various African cultures. Europeans are definitely not unique, just most recent. 

Posted by: Caliman | Oct 9 2025 14:57 utc | 28

 
“Trump’s Peace Plan”

Is this another MUNICH MOMENT

 
 

Posted by: Otto Penn | Oct 9 2025 14:58 utc | 29

“… For years, the various governments led by Benjamin Netanyahu took an approach that divided power between the Gaza Strip and the West Bank — bringing Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas to his knees while making moves that propped up the Hamas terror group.  …..  
 
The idea was to prevent Abbas — or anyone else in the Palestinian Authority’s West Bank government — from advancing toward the establishment of a Palestinian state. 
 
Thus, amid this bid to impair Abbas, Hamas was upgraded from a mere terror group to an organization with which Israel held indirect negotiations via Egypt, and one that was allowed to receive infusions of cash from abroad. ”
https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/
 
Title:  The not-so-secret history of Netanyahu’s support for Hamas.
 
https://www.972mag.com/netanyahu-hamas-october-7-adam-raz/
 
 

Posted by: Noirette | Oct 9 2025 15:02 utc | 30

Ho, the whole “hostage” thing … “Look at that poor Moshe , Abducted by some teRrorist rHamas while he was peacefully ravaging his 87th house in Rhazah of the month in his Merkava 4 Tank without any collateral damage.” .. Yeah , a “Hostage” indeed ;p. (My chutzpah-o-meter is over 9000 !!! )
Those are POWs, and the kind of POW with enough war-crimes on their tabs to be let to dry like the biblical Juda under a Olive tree … do you read the Bible ? 

Posted by: Savonarole | Oct 9 2025 15:08 utc | 31

The Capture of the Global Generative A.I Industry by the Jewish Zionist Political-Finance and Technological Complex (“The Cabal”)
 
Update:
 
 The Venture Capitalists and Startup Incubators

  • Western Startup Incubators like YCombinators and Venture Capital firms are Jewish dominated. 

  • They implicitly and by definition enforce control over innovative startups founded by non-Jewish and Jewish founders, ultimately exercising massive leverage over new innovative A.I ventures.

  • Organisations like this ensure that innovative a.i startups are funnelled into Jewish hands.

 

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 9 2025 15:16 utc | 32

This is only a step in a very complex chess game –  Hamas and affiliates are not the sole player on the board as is assumed by many commentators.  They move in conjunction with larger, more powerful players with two sets of very differing geopolitical goals.  One strives for immediate gain, the other plays a very long game.  Gaza represents an unbelievably well documented genocide – for which the long term players anticipate that there will be a reckoning tribunal with politicos from complicit countries in the docket.  Venues for the conflict are not only the battlefield but also social, economic and structural.  As regards the latter, Israel has been hollowed out at many levels.  Further militaristic endeavors will entail boots on the ground from the  US/UK/EU or rag tag militias affiliated with the perfidious ISIS.  Israel is as much a proxy as is the Ukraine – only Netanyahu and company are too geopolitically consumed with Israel uber alles to recognize the manipulation which has occurred at many levels.  Gaza’s children, women, elderly and fighters have stared down the worst the US/EU/UK can deliver in multilayered atrocities, and been steadfast in their religion, integrity and courage.  At this time, there is no ethos in Israel save violence, rage and a narrowed, all consuming focus on retribution.  All of which are turning inward to further poison their society.

Posted by: abierno | Oct 9 2025 15:20 utc | 33

Zohran weighed in on the genocide:
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o56TLurVZ1c 
 
He blames Hamas for killing 1100 Israelis and kidnapping 250 hostages.
He spends most of his post blaming Israel for apartheid and occupation, but not using the word genocide.  The message is far harsher on Israel than Palestine.
 
The comments are a combination of people pointing out that Israel killed most of those 1100 Israelis in accordance with its Hannibal directive, people defending Israel, and people trashing lefties that defend Hamas.  All in all not too bad.  Well not as bad as I expected from him as I expected him to cave a lot more than he did.
 
The harshness of his critique of Israel is pretty bold for a US politician.  If any sign can be taken away from it, it would be that he will make a decent attempt at making things better for non-millionaires in NY.
 
 
 
 
 
 

Posted by: Woke American | Oct 9 2025 15:28 utc | 34

He blames Hamas for killing 1100 Israelis and kidnapping 250 hostages.
Posted by: Woke American | Oct 9 2025 15:28 utc | 32
 
 
He blames Hamas for exercising the Right to Resistance under International Law (FWIW).
 

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 9 2025 15:34 utc | 35

He blames Hamas for exercising the Right to Resistance under International Law (FWIW).
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 9 2025 15:34 utc | 33
Killing 1100 civilians and taking an addition 125 civilian hostages is not resistance.  No more than all those civilian deaths caused by Israel in Gaza qualify as “self defense”.  Trying to pin a Khazar conspiracy theory on those victims and hostages doesn’t justify Hamas’s actions.

Posted by: TopaInka | Oct 9 2025 15:39 utc | 36

For the last 25 years the IDF has turned GAZA into the largest concentration camp in the world.
It has closed its ports, and its airport, restricted all food and medical supplies, restricted entry and exit, denying basic building materials and this is before the October 7th genocidal attacks on the Palestinian people.  Same in the West Bank where even American/Palestinian citizens have been assassinated by IDF irregulars and racist settlers, and farms and vineyards and pastures, and orchards have been destroyed under orders from Gvir, Smotrich and Katz.
Of course the Palestinian have the right to self defense…..in Gaza and the West Bank….

Posted by: tobias cole | Oct 9 2025 15:44 utc | 37

Indi.ca

The Gaza Ceasefire According To Hamas et al

The only source I trust about the Resistance is the Resistance, led by Hamas. So here are some Resistance statements on the eve (inshallah) of a ceasefire-final-final-final.docx, followed by my opinion, which is extraneous.
The Palestinian Resistance
Hamas

Read on:
The Gaza Ceasefire According To Hamas et al — indi.ca

Posted by: Don Firineach | Oct 9 2025 15:50 utc | 38

All 15,000 Palestinian political prisoners should be released as part of the hostage swap………….anything less is senseless.
And no NGO peacekeepers, only Houthis or Kurds………let the IDF chew on that for a while………..

Posted by: tobias cole | Oct 9 2025 15:51 utc | 39

@gazanewsnow2021
Macron: We are discussing in Paris the establishment of a temporary government for the Gaza Strip with a Palestinian presence, without Hamas.
 
Comment: “We” in this statement are the Western arch criminals and genocide enablers, the scourge of this planet.
 
The question must always be asked – by what right can THEY be “discussing in Paris the establishment of a temporary government for the Gaza Strip with a Palestinian presence, without Hamas” and  who entrusted THEM with this task?
 
Their gathering in Paris and their “discussion” is evidence that there will be NO negotiations about the rest of the “Trump plan” which THEY intend to implement as is. 
 

Posted by: JB | Oct 9 2025 15:53 utc | 40

Greta is so stupid she posted a photo of an emaciated Israeli hostage in Gaza, to illustrate Palestinian suffering:https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2025/10/embarrassing-greta-thunberg-posts-about-palestinian-prisoners-suffering/
Posted by: Pharaoh Trump | Oct 9 2025 13:58 utc | 11
 
Gateway Pundit are fake news peddler. There is zero proof of their claim
It’s an old trick to pretend to show a (forged) screencopy so incriminating that the author has already deleted it
You got catched

Posted by: Parisian Guy | Oct 9 2025 16:03 utc | 41

@33 and @35
Israel killed more civilians that day than Hamas did.  And the hostages?  Israel has taken WAY more hostages than what Hamas took, both before and after October 7.
 
Israel created the rules of combat by their actions before October 7.  Hamas had the right to do what they did.  Hamas killed IDF soldiers, Israel kill Israeli civilians for the purpose of blaming it on Hamas.  Fast forward to the 12 day war with Iran, where Iran is hitting Israeli military targets, and Israel says things like not even one Israeli citizen was killed.  Meanwhile, Israel brags about how many Iranian civilians they killed in an attack on a market (over 100 if I remember correctly).
 
The post by Zohran is a pretty major step towards getting US political discourse closer to the truth about the genocide in Palestine.  Still a ways to go.   

Posted by: Woke American | Oct 9 2025 16:09 utc | 42

Lets construct the scorecard here:
– Israel – lost 1200 combatants and service personnel and civilians on October 7 and 8. Note here many were in fact killed in IDF airstrikes at Rave Music Festival or by IDF tank fire on kibbutz homes – so these are really friendly fire deaths.  Of the 1200 only about 600 were IDF combatants deaths.  IDF combat losses after October 7-8 are estimated at 5000 KIA’s and 18,000 WIA’s.
– Palestine – Gaza – estimates of total deaths in Gaza and the West Bank vary, but mostly Gaza, range from 67,000 to 400,000.  Since 80+% of Gaza housing has been destroyed by the IDF airstrikes and tank fire, the number of trapped and deceased civilians is unknown.  Hamas health officials have official records for only 67,000, but many thousands more are missing and presumed dead, many will most likely never be recovered.  Estimates on the wounded range from 100,000 to 400,000.
Noted Human Rights Lawyer Ralph Nader (Lebanese descent) estimates deaths at 250,000 and wounded at 250,000, but his estimated were made in 2024 and do not include 2025 losses.
Hamas, PIJ, Fatah, and PFLP combat losses are unknown, but are surely in the 10,000 range.  Significantly though, recruitment for these groups has been ramped up due to the atrocities committed by the IDF in the period October 7 2023 through October 9, 2025.  Combat effectives have more than likely increased due to this recruitment, and have likely replaced all combat losses.
Significant to note here that the IDF dropped more American made bomb ordinance on the civilians in Gaza than was dropped on Berlin in WWII, over 80,000 tons of explosives.
Proof positive of genocidal intent.  

Posted by: tobias cole | Oct 9 2025 16:10 utc | 43

RE:   ”doesn’t justify Hamas’s actions.”
Posted by: TopaInka | Oct 9 2025 15:39 utc | 35
 
The “LAW” “justifies” the retaliation of occupation Hamas undertook. It was not a “terrorist” act as touted. Hamas didn’t make up international law. The West simply doesn’t respond well when it is applied to their pet projects. 
 
That is what Arch was pointing out (among other things). I think.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 9 2025 16:12 utc | 44

DW: Richard Wolff & Michael Hudson
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-p7IaxBbyWU
 
Gaza isn’t just Israel’s war – it’s NATO’s silent battlefield”
recommended.

Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 9 2025 16:30 utc | 45

Hamas, PIJ, Fatah, and PFLP combat losses are unknown, but are surely in the 10,000 range. 
unlikely – total fighting strength of the various resistance soldiers was estimated at 40,000 prior to the Likud’s genocide. Their fighting strength, according to independent Israeli sources remains unchanged. 
Re: Oct 7th. 
let’s n0t forget that official Likud sources stated that 350 IDF were KIA’d that day.  for example one IDF unit suffered 65% KIA.
https://www.israelhayom.com/2025/03/03/15-minutes-that-sealed-nahal-ozs-fate-inside-the-october-7-massacre-of-53-soldiers/

Posted by: exile | Oct 9 2025 16:34 utc | 46

Never trust European descended white people (spoken as one).Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Oct 9 2025 13:16 utc | 3Nonsense.Let me fix if for youDon’t trust any ethnic group that has substantial populations along with economic and military power.Any and all humans will act accordingly once they have power.see Pol Pot; Mongols; Aztecs; Commanches, Japanese soldiers during WW2 -the list is endless.Your simplistic idea is just an ill considered racist statement
Posted by: canuk | Oct 9 2025 13:40 utc | 6
Right on, Canuk.  There is nothing more disgusting than the European-american worker taught to hate himself by his masters.  

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Oct 9 2025 16:36 utc | 47

There is nothing more disgusting than the European-american worker taught to hate himself by his masters.
 
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Oct 9 2025 16:36 utc | 46
 
#########
 
Europeans don’t do accountability. That is why Western workers are where they are at and Eastern ones are not.
 
The problem with class theory is the same problem with unions. An abstraction that hides accountability.
 
Not all workers are hard done by, not all Jews are evil. Not all white people are thieves and murderers, but as long as people identify with those cohorts, they are associating with the sins and failures of others.
 
What a stupid way to be.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 9 2025 16:54 utc | 48

‘An abstraction that hides accountability.’

Like the idea of god, organized religion, and the wealthy’s banks and corporations and what have you.

All are abstractions that hide accountability.

‘Not all white people are thieves and murderers, but as long as people identify with those cohorts…’

You yourself identify with those cohorts as many of your comments pigeonhole people into various categories and classifications of cohorts. Your doing so reinforces the language you are using at the time.

As you are wont to do you are now completely contradicting yourself in the space of a few comments and claiming abstractions where previously the language you used would indicate that these are not in fact abstractions but substantive classifications that in some or even many cases you make out to be completely unalterable by the language you use in the moment.

Consistency for thee but not for me.

Allah is out to lunch.

Posted by: Dan Kelly | Oct 9 2025 17:13 utc | 49

John Gilberts | Oct 9 2025 16:30 utc | 44
 
I see you’ve posted the link to this week’s Hudson, Wolff, Nima chat and its not quite accurate title. What makes that chat super important is Hudson’s providing his own personal knowledge of how and what fueled the Silicon Valley Zionist Billionaires rise, which is also directly related to the rise of Neoliberalism. Hudson tells us that during the first 30-minutes or so of the chat, and it provides a very much needed context to the revelations being made by Max Blumenthal, the Grayzone, and others involved in trying to inform America and the world what’s happening and what’s the goal of the Zionist media takeover. At Hudson’s website there’s a rich history of articles that mention the main brokerage firm involved at the root of this history, Drexel Burnham; I just reviewed several dozen that go back to 2003. In one, Hudson calls the firm “gangsters.” Ultimately, Richard Wolff provides further historical context telling those who don’t know why Jews were forced to become middlemen, the go-betweens, merchants–I was waiting for him to mention The Merchant of Venice, but he didn’t. I’d write more, but it’s best if people go and watch the chat.   

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 9 2025 17:18 utc | 50

Breaking…
 
China: ‘Palestinians Should Govern Palestine’
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsV0kB2Vzt8
 
China challenges Trump Gaza plan, demands permanent ceasefire and sovereignty.”
 
We’ll see. China is a major Israeli trading partner. It needs to put its money where its mouth is. 

Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 9 2025 17:23 utc | 51

DN: A Ceasefire But Not Peace
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsDbXx75mm0
 
Mouin Rabbani & Muhammad Shehada 
 
recommended

Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 9 2025 17:27 utc | 52

China fully supports the Peking Declaration of July 2024. 
 
Chinese MFA presser on the topic:
 

….
The first step is to achieve comprehensive, lasting and sustainable ceasefire in the Gaza Strip as soon as possible, and ensure access to humanitarian aid and rescue on the ground. The international community should build more synergy for ending the hostilities and establishing a ceasefire.
 
The second step is to make joint efforts toward post-conflict governance of Gaza under the principle of “Palestinians governing Palestine.” Gaza is an inseparable, integral part of Palestine. Restarting post-conflict reconstruction as soon as possible is an urgent priority. The international community needs to support Palestinian factions in establishing an interim national consensus government and realizing effective management of Gaza and the West Bank.
 
The third step is to help Palestine become a full member state of the U.N. and get down to implementing the two-State solution. It is important to support the convening of a broad-based, more authoritative, and more effective international peace conference to work out a timetable and road map for the two-State solution.
 
Ceasefire and humanitarian rescue are pressing priorities. “Palestinians governing Palestine” is the basic principle for the post-conflict governance of Gaza. The two-State solution is the fundamental way forward. The international community should support the parties in taking the three steps in real earnest……

 
https://www.mfa.gov.cn/eng/wjbzhd/202407/t20240723_11458790.html

Posted by: exile | Oct 9 2025 17:31 utc | 53

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsV0kB2Vzt8
 
“China challenges Trump Gaza plan, demands permanent ceasefire and sovereignty.”
 
We’ll see. China is a major Israeli trading partner. It needs to put its money where its mouth is. 
 
Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 9 2025 17:23 utc | 50
 
Hah. I have no idea why anyone expects to take every YouTube whackjob seriously, but a good benchmark for relevance should be at least 100k regular viewers. 
I don’t believe China actually cares about this. Without a major military presence in the area, China’s rhetoric actually means less than Keir Starmer’s- at least the Brits still have forces in Cyprus. It is certainly possible for China to start building up their forces, especially the naval force needed to actually shatter the Israeli blockade, but first they would have to actually give a damn about Gaza.

Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Oct 9 2025 17:31 utc | 54

‘We’ll see. China is a major Israeli trading partner. It needs to put its money where its mouth is.’

Ian Welsh recently wrote a piece entitled ‘Is Good or Evil More Effective? The Case of America and China’ which commenter Feral Finster responded to with this truism:

‘On the one hand, in any system, power inevitably ends up in the hands of sociopaths, because, unlike normies, sociopaths are the humans who will do whatever it takes to get power.’

If this be true – and I believe it is – then maybe we’ll have to talk about the various degrees/types of sociopathy.

China is a system and if in any system power inevitably ends up in the hands of sociopaths then power in China is in the hands of sociopaths who have done whatever it takes to gain power inside China.

This is easily discerned by the fact that China has lots of billionaires. It may not have as many per capita as the US and China’s may be better educated but it has plenty and the bottom line is that any halfway decent society would not have even one.

It is also easily discerned by the fact that China does lots and lots of business with a genocidal state but has the audacity to call out other states not publicly condemning said genocide while China makes a few public statements about western imperialism but continues its business with the same bad actor it’s condemning other states for not condemning!

And China doesn’t even have the decency to pull its diplomats or ambassadors.

The robust China-Israel market, incidentally, includes business in weapons and technology that are used against Palestinians and god knows who else.

This is clearly some of form of sociopathy on China’s part and while I’m not qualified to determine its severity I’ll let Laith Marouf add a few further details about this particular strain of sociopathy that both China and Russia suffer from:

https://tinyurl.com/3fb528md

[I disagree with Laith on Israel’s awareness of the event as Yigal Carmon’s MEMRI notified Israeli officials in August that something was going to occur in early October. That Israel may have had intel on the event and may have allowed it to happen on purpose for sick and nefarious reasons doesn’t mean ‘the Arabs’ can’t defend themselves or can’t plan and carry out offensives in their own defense or that others can’t imagine them being able to do so or somehow don’t respect their sacrifice in doing so. It is not an ‘internalized racism’ that is leading me to post this link: https://archive.ph/mrKwO ]

‘We’ll see. China is a major Israeli trading partner. It needs to put its money where its mouth is.’

Imagine if China had put its money where its mouth is back in late 2023 when it was clear to the world what ‘Israel’ was up to.

Or early 2024? Or summer 2024?

I hope they do put their money where their mouth is this time around.

Posted by: Dan Kelly | Oct 9 2025 17:38 utc | 55

EI Weekly Podcast
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eTwZIk1up4
 
“Breaking news and analysis on day 734 of the Gaza genocide.” With Jeremy Scahill and the Resistance Report with Jon Elmer. 
Death, death to the IDF! Free Palestine! Zionists Out!

Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 9 2025 17:40 utc | 56

Martyred:

https://t-me.translate.goog/s/hossamsshbat?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en

https://t-me.translate.goog/s/Ahaamd1985?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en

Reporting from Rafah

https://t-me.translate.goog/s/madinat_khanyuns?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en

Providing more detailed coverage of individual events occuring, given on the ground reporting is becoming sparser

Ahaamd1985 listed above

GazaNewsNow listed above

https://t-me.translate.goog/s/P_S_PI?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en

Posted by: Ornot | Oct 9 2025 17:42 utc | 58

“It’s not racism to call out your toxic and evil culture, your ideologies of oppression. Own your sh!t.”
Posted by: LoveDumbass | Oct 9 2025 14:10 utc | 15
You are absolutely clueless.
The Aztecs, Pol Pot, the Mongols, the Maori (1), the Comanches they are not White yet they were Genociders; you deny established history?.
You are racist, arrogant , confused. if logic hit you in the face you would still drone on pointlessly,., 
1. The Moriori genocide was the mass murderenslavement, and cannibalism[1] of the Moriori people, the indigenous ethnic group of the Chatham Islands, by members of the mainland Māori New Zealand iwi Ngāti Mutunga and Ngāti Tama from 1835 to 1863. The invaders murdered around 300 Moriori and enslaved the remaining population.[2

Posted by: canuk | Oct 9 2025 17:42 utc | 59

EI Podcast (corrected)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eTwZIk1uP4

Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 9 2025 17:44 utc | 60

Currently:

Ceasefire not in effect yet (bombing and attacks continue)

Vote by Knesset postponed to evening local time.

Disassembly of occupation positions under way.

Chaotic at the moment…

Posted by: Ornot | Oct 9 2025 17:45 utc | 61

Getting rid of the hostages is a smart move for Hamas. They had to justify and find food and water for them while children, women and men are starving. In fact, Netanyahu did NOT want the hostages to come back alive as they would probably tell the truth about October the 7th and the use of the Hannibal directive.
 
Their presence in Gaza city or elsewhere has never stopped IAF from bombing any buildings or gatherings of people.

Posted by: Stonebird | Oct 9 2025 17:47 utc | 62

The hasbara continues to evolve. 
 
@Dan Kelly, billionaires LOL
 
@Ornot, thank you for once again posting trackable Google links. I am sure Tel Aviv is pleased.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 9 2025 17:48 utc | 63

We know that US/Israeli “cease fires” in West Asia means an Israeli attack is coming any time.
 

Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 9 2025 17:49 utc | 64

Posted by: Stonebird | Oct 9 2025 17:47 utc | 60
 
######
 
Bingo, you are the rare poster who “gets it”.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 9 2025 17:49 utc | 65

“There is nothing more disgusting than the European-american worker taught to hate himself by his masters.” Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Oct 9 2025 16:36 utc | 46
The only thing more “disgusting ” than the above would be to  tied up and have your eyes held wide open like Alexs’ in “Clockwork Orange” while watching,  listening to a 5  hour LoveDumbass lecture on “White Man’s Racism” through the Millenia. 

Posted by: canuk | Oct 9 2025 17:52 utc | 66

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 9 2025 15:16 utc | 30
 
There is at least one AI somewhere that is plotting your death.

Posted by: David G Horsman | Oct 9 2025 17:52 utc | 67

Note:

What is announced underway is a ceasefire.

Includes:

Exchange of prisoners.
Entry of supplies.
Withdrawal of occupation forces from Gaza City and Khan Yunis.
Travel between north and south.
Eventual exit/entry at Rafah.

Occupation will maintain control of one axis at least for now.
Negotiation of permanent truce are not completed, and it is not clear how far they have reached.

There is talk of written guarantees by mediators to ensure no return to conflict.

There is a lot of talk of all sorts…

Posted by: Ornot | Oct 9 2025 17:53 utc | 68

Journalist Hossam Shabat (Martyred)

“Civil Defense in Gaza:

▪️We followed what some Arab and foreign channels reported about today witnessing the lowest number of martyrs since the beginning of the ongoing genocide in the Gaza Strip.

▪️Although the numbers may suggest a decrease in the rate of crimes and direct targeting of civilians *for this day only*, we confirm that the reality on the ground reveals a humanitarian catastrophe concealed behind the veil of a reduction in the rate of killing.

▪️Civil defense teams’ observations indicate that the Israeli occupation forces, in light of the current negotiation process, are avoiding committing overt mass massacres. Instead, they are intensifying their widespread and systematic destructive operations, including shelling and bombing homes and residential areas inside Gaza City, with the aim of continuing their scorched-earth policy and emptying the city of its residents.
This is the clear hallmark of the occupation in Gaza: leaving no place to which Palestinians can return.

▪️The Israeli occupation is not halting its operations. Rather, it is slowing the pace of direct killing of unarmed civilians, in line with its political interests. This is an attempt to project a false image of itself as seeking to end the war, without any regard for the lives and infrastructure that are collapsing daily.

▪️What is happening in Gaza is not calm, but rather an ongoing genocide using ever-changing methods, the ultimate goal of which is to erase the Palestinian presence from the heart of the city and deprive the population of any place to return to after the war.

▪️We call on the international community not to be deceived by the low daily casualty figures. The truth is that the Israeli war machine is operating at a faster pace and in a more silent manner, more brutal than the overt bombing.”

Posted by: Ornot | Oct 9 2025 17:56 utc | 69

Link to the Ian Welsh article:

https://www.ianwelsh.net/is-good-or-evil-more-effective-the-case-of-america-and-china/

Posted by: Dan Kelly | Oct 9 2025 17:56 utc | 70

“Trying to pin a Khazar conspiracy theory on those victims and hostages doesn’t justify Hamas’s actions.”
Posted by: TopaInka | Oct 9 2025 15:39 utc | 35
 
To be fair, the the Hamas objective was objective was clearly to to capture military military pows.
 
There wasn’t supposed supposed to be the civilians close by.

Posted by: David G Horsman | Oct 9 2025 17:58 utc | 71

Sorry about the sorry post. I had a glitch.

Posted by: David G Horsman | Oct 9 2025 17:59 utc | 72

Journalist Youssef Fares

“- Latest_Toll : 25 martyrs as a result of the occupation’s aggression on the Gaza Strip, since dawn today.

– Civil Defense: We recovered the bodies of two martyrs, and more than 40 people are still under the rubble after the “Israeli” occupation targeted the Ghaboun family home on Al-Thalathini Street in the Al-Sabra neighborhood in Gaza City.”

Posted by: Ornot | Oct 9 2025 17:59 utc | 73

After all, one the reason for Hamas taking hostages was to get Palestinian out of Zionist prisons. That they are now getting exchanged is an example of this aim
 
.”Prisoner” exchanges have nearly always been followed by Zionists re-imprisoning some of those it “exchanged”, as they rarely, if ever, they keep to agreements..

Posted by: Stonebird | Oct 9 2025 18:05 utc | 74

Just reposting the crux of Ornot’s latest report in the interst of beacoup exposure:

‘Although the numbers may suggest a decrease in the rate of crimes and direct targeting of civilians *for this day only*, we confirm that the reality on the ground reveals a humanitarian catastrophe concealed behind the veil of a reduction in the rate of killing.

Civil defense teams’ observations indicate that the Israeli occupation forces, in light of the current negotiation process, are avoiding committing overt mass massacres. Instead, they are intensifying their widespread and systematic destructive operations, including shelling and bombing homes and residential areas inside Gaza City, with the aim of continuing their scorched-earth policy and emptying the city of its residents.

This is the clear hallmark of the occupation in Gaza: leaving no place to which Palestinians can return.

The Israeli occupation is not halting its operations. Rather, it is slowing the pace of direct killing of unarmed civilians, in line with its political interests. This is an attempt to project a false image of itself as seeking to end the war, without any regard for the lives and infrastructure that are collapsing daily.

What is happening in Gaza is not calm, but rather an ongoing genocide using ever-changing methods, the ultimate goal of which is to erase the Palestinian presence from the heart of the city and deprive the population of any place to return to after the war.

We call on the international community not to be deceived by the low daily casualty figures. The truth is that the Israeli war machine is operating at a faster pace and in a more silent manner, more brutal than the overt bombing.’

These facts on the ground were reported by Journalist Hossam Shabat who has since been slaughtered by ‘Israeli’ savages who may be intercepting this comment this very moment from Tel Aviv or really anywhere around the globe.

Posted by: Dan Kelly | Oct 9 2025 18:11 utc | 75

🇺🇸🇺🇦🇮🇱Trump announced the end of the war between Israel and HAMAS, the conflict in Ukraine “will also be resolved”
➖”This is number 8. We have resolved 7 wars or major conflicts, and the eighth, I think, will be Russia and Ukraine. I think that will happen too,” he said at a US government meeting.
▪️Gaza will be completely rebuilt, Israeli hostages will be released on Monday or Tuesday, he added.
▪️This weekend, the US president will fly to Egypt, where peace documents will be signed.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/144028
He is salivating for the Nobel Prize

Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 9 2025 18:20 utc | 76

‼️ Head of Hamas movement, Khalil al-Hayya:
 
– We salute our people wherever they are, in the West Bank, the 1948 territories, and the diaspora with great appreciation, and we extend deep appreciation to the brothers mediators in the Arab Republic of Egypt, the State of Qatar, and the Republic of Turkey, and to those who shared blood and battle with us from our nation in Yemen, Lebanon, Iraq, and the Islamic Republic of Iran.
 
– We salute all who have stood in solidarity with us across the globe from the free people of the world who took to the streets in hundreds of thousands, even millions, in squares proclaiming the truth. We also specifically salute those supporting us in convoys of aid and freedom by land and sea, and everyone who contributed a word of truth against the tyrannical and oppressive injustice on this land.
 
– Two years and Gaza is performing miracles alone and healing wounds, two years and Gaza defends Jerusalem and Al-Aqsa and fights this enemy with unmatched bravery and courage, affirming that Gaza is forbidden to its enemies, and its men do not break nor are harmed by those who have abandoned them.
 
– Peace be upon Gaza, peace be upon the men of Gaza, peace be upon the women of Gaza, peace be upon the children of Gaza, peace be upon the elders of Gaza, upon the martyrs of Gaza, upon the wounded of Gaza, upon the prisoners of Gaza, peace be upon the great martyr leaders.
 
https://t.me/RezistanceTrench1/30032

Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 9 2025 18:26 utc | 77

Scott Ritter says Hamas will be disarmedScott Ritter : Can We Trust the Israel–Hamas Deal?
 

‼️ Breaking: Hamas leader Osama Hamdan:
No Palestinian will accept handing over the resistance weapons, and our people are in greater need than ever for weapons and resistance.

https://t.me/RezistanceTrench/49082

Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 9 2025 18:40 utc | 78

The Zionists can’t be trusted – the only way they’ll be peace is when Israel is removed completely from the region – however even then,  wherever the Zionists go they’ll cause unrest.
 
“In not quite one year since the ceasefire deal in Lebanon, Israel has broken the ceasefire 4,600 times. It has killed hundreds of people, including infants, demolished tens of thousands of homes and annexed five areas of Lebanon; it was supposed to withdraw completely.”
 
 
A Warning from Lebanon – Craig Murray

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Oct 9 2025 18:42 utc | 79

Ben Gvir: Netanyahu pledged that Hamas will be dismantled, and if that does not happen, we will dismantle the government.

https://t.me/RezistanceTrench/49086

Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 9 2025 18:43 utc | 80

No one will ever forget or forgive what the israelis/USA/EU scoundrels, barbarians and war-mongers did to the poor Palestinians for the last two years. Ever.   
 
 
see the 43-second video at the first link. 
 
 
https://x.com/warfareanalysis/status/1976079815775240203 
Warfare Analysis @warfareanalysis 
 
Journalist Anas al-Sharif won’t be around to announce the ceasefire as he did the last time,   
 
because Israel assassinated him along with more than 260 other journalists.   
 
————– 
 
https://x.com/s_m_marandi/status/1976222155953307838
Seyed Mohammad Marandi @s_m_marandi 
 
We will gradually discover that hundreds of thousands of Palestinians were exterminated in the NATO-backed Gaza Holocaust. 
 
————— 
 
https://x.com/FranceskAlbs/status/1976226573604061522
Francesca Albanese, UN Special Rapporteur oPt @FranceskAlbs   
 
〰️As we welcome the ceasefire deal, let’s ensure:
▶️it’s respected (last time Israel didn’t)
▶️Israeli, Palestinian hostages are freed
▶️aid flows in w/o barriers
▶️Israel’s illegal occupation & apartheid in Palestine are dismantled
▶️genocide perpetrators are held accountable. 
 
————— 
 
https://x.com/CraigMurrayOrg/status/1976223016410546616
Craig Murray @CraigMurrayOrg 
 
After the prisoner exchange where Hamas releases all of its prisoners of war, Israel will still be holding over 9,000 Palestinian hostages.  
 
 

Posted by: michaelj72 | Oct 9 2025 18:53 utc | 81

Just watched the latest from John Elmer’s Resistance Report.  Net, Net – The IDF is decidedly amateurish, embarrassingly so. This jives with IDF General Yitzhak Brik’s assessment published in Haaretz last 20.August . 
One also notes that the Al-Qassem Soldiers are applying lessons learned. 

Posted by: exile | Oct 9 2025 19:07 utc | 82

Carney Calls For Swift Action After Israel, Hamas Reach Initial Agreement on US-Peace Plan
 
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/carney-israel-gaza-blair-kushner-9.6932400
 
“…Speaking virtually to a crowd gathered for the Eurasia Group‘s* 2025 summit on Canada and US relations, Carney said he had spoken to both former British prime minister Tony Blair and Jared Kushner, Trump’s son-in-law, about the plan ‘in the last 48 hours.’
 
We, Canada are working closely with the Gulf powers, the Arab powers in the region, complementary to the United States in terms of the president’s peace plan,’ Carney said. ‘I’ve been in contact personally with Jared Kushner and Tony Blair…to coordinate our support as that [peace plan] moves forward.”
 
* [Mrs] Diana Fox Carney
https://www.eurasiagroup.net/media/diana-fox-carney-climate-policy-joins-eurasia-group-as-senor-advisor

Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 9 2025 19:30 utc | 83

see the photo at the second link
 
 
https://x.com/ejmalrai/status/1976270533168644315
Elijah J. Magnier 🇪🇺 @ejmalrai 
 
The release of the Israeli hostages – the 20 who are still alive – will not start before tomorrow night.
Just after the Israel war cabinet and government’s approval of the first stage of the plan this evening, the Israel occupation forces will start withdrawing, within 24 hours, from the blue to the yellow line (Israel will keep +50% of the Strip).
Hamas will have 72 hours to release all the hostages, alive.
The bodies of 38 Israeli will be released only when a Turkish special team will start the search and recovery to find and deliver the Israeli bodies.
Meanwhile, Israel will release 250 Palestinians sentenced to life (more than one) and 1700 other Gazans captured during the war.
Israel will allow 400 trucks daily into Gaza and, after completing the phase one, negotiations will start (with no time limit).
 
 
—————–
 
https://x.com/s_m_marandi/status/1976291123694899466
Seyed Mohammad Marandi  @s_m_marandi
 
We will never forget the Gaza Holocaust.
 
——————–
 
https://x.com/ireallyhateyou/status/1976166025893662935
B.M.  @ireallyhateyou
 
I’m extremely happy for the people of Gaza, but the world treating it as an actual “peace deal” is fucking insane.
 
—————-
 
https://x.com/caitoz/status/1976062032555409793
Caitlin Johnstone  @caitoz 
 
If a permanent ceasefire actually happens and actually holds without mass expulsions and further Palestinian subjugation, the only explanation I can think of is that the US and Israel crunched the numbers and determined that the PR crisis from the genocide makes it unsustainable.
 
 

Posted by: michaelj72 | Oct 9 2025 19:33 utc | 84

O/T

“Pakistani airforce over, bombing of, Kabul…”

?

Posted by: Ornot | Oct 9 2025 19:40 utc | 85

Israel has already broken the first part of the “peace deal” by reneging on some of the names on the Palestinians to be released.
 

The Israeli prime minister’s office unilaterally removed Marwan Barghouti’s name from the prisoner exchange list at the last minute, endangering the Gaza ceasefire deal’s implementation, a source close to the prominent Palestinian prisoner told Middle East Eye.
 
Barghouti, who is the most popular Palestinian political figure according to polls, was one of the most valuable names to potentially be traded for the 48 Israeli captives in Gaza.
 
A source close to Barghouti and his family told MEE that last night mediators including US envoy Steve Witkoff signed off on a prisoner list that included Barghouti.
 
However on Thursday, an Israeli spokesperson told reporters that “at this point in time that he will not be part of this release”.
 
Barghouti’s name appears to have been unilaterally removed by the Israeli prime minister’s office, the source said.
 
Ahmed Saadat, a leader of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, Hassan Salama, a senior Hamas official, and Abdullah Barghouti, a Hamas leader not related to Marwan, also had their names removed from the list, Middle East Eye understands.
 
Their removal causes potential problems for the ceasefire agreement, as negotiators push to have their names restored.
 
Barghouti’s freedom is said to be a red line for Israeli National Security Minister Itamar Ben Gvir, who could imperil Benjamin Netanyahu’s government if he takes his MPs out of the governing coalition.
 
However, MEE understands that Barghouti’s wife remains in Cairo lobbying negotiators to ensure her husband is included in the prisoner exchange.
 
A Hamas official told Al Jazeera that mediators are working on reaching an agreement on the prisoners to be released.
 
“We will hold a national dialogue with Palestinian factions to align our position regarding Israel’s response to the prisoners’ names,” the official said. 
 
According to the ceasefire deal agreed between Israel and Hamas on Wednesday night, the Israeli captives will be released in exchange for 2,000 Palestinians in Israeli prisons – 1,700 of whom are men, women and children seized from Gaza and held without charge.
 
Barghouti has been in prison since 2004 and has been in solitary confinement since Israel’s genocide in Gaza began in October 2023.
 
A senior figure in Fatah, the party that dominates the Palestinian Authority (PA), he was targeted by Israel due to his leading role in the 2000-2005 Second Intifada and his popularity among the public.
 
Opinion polls suggest that Barghouti, 66, would be a shoo-in for the Palestinian presidency if elections were held and he were able to run for office.
 
He is seen as a unifying figure despite identifying with Fatah, which is associated with the deeply unpopular PA. […]
 
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/marwan-barghouti-will-not-be-released-gaza-deal-says-israeli-spokesperson
 

And there’s this:

An Israeli government spokeswoman said that after the ceasefire and release of captives, the military will control and hold about 53 percent of Gaza.
 
https://www.middleeasteye.net/live-blog/live-blog-update/israeli-military-will-control-53-percent-gaza-after-ceasefire-says?nid=428053&topic=Israel%2527s%2520genocide%2520in%2520Gaza&fid=548852
 

Posted by: teri | Oct 9 2025 19:40 utc | 86

‘Ceasefire’ in Israel’s Dictionary: You Cease, I Fire
 
https://x.com/FranceskAlbs/status/1976302565982683182
 
“Just hours after the deal – as in January – Israel shoots at Palestinians wanting to return home. Before any next step, member states must ensure that Israel honours the ceasefire.”

Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 9 2025 19:47 utc | 87

Of note, past few days :

Iran (an official) mentioned truce in Gaza could signal untruce elsewhere.

“Israel” (an official) mentions concentrating on west bank now.

France calling for int. force to maintain calm in/occupy Gaza.

“Israel” has been ramping rhetoric on Iran, confiscated “shipment of weapons from Iran to west bank”, has said Iran close to or possesses missiles capable of reaching US.

These are just broader background signals/noise…

Posted by: Ornot | Oct 9 2025 19:47 utc | 88

GD: Alastair Crooke
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2w5lDU92CEw
 
“War against Iran is imminent, peace through subjugation.”

Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 9 2025 19:51 utc | 89

Knesset session underway, airstrikes on Gaza continue…

Posted by: Ornot | Oct 9 2025 19:53 utc | 90

I’m extremely happy for the people of Gaza, but the world treating it as an actual “peace deal” is fucking insane.
this was not a war but a fucking slaughter
a fucking an international zionist satanick conspiracy
 
the babies cut out of kosher mothers and baked in ovens are you kidding me.
hamas using parachutes with engines on them  flying at 15 miles an hour 3o feet off the ground a 6 hour response time  too a border incident?
 
jared kushner and tony blair peter thiel larry ellison larry fink   a quick clean up of the whole crime scene 
400 hundred thousand bodies as foundations for the chabad gaza riviera
no fucking way

Posted by: normal wisdom | Oct 9 2025 19:54 utc | 91

China Foreign Ministry:
…and get down to implementing the two-State solution. It is important to support the convening of a broad-based, more authoritative, and more effective international peace conference to work out a timetable and road map for the two-State solution.
The two-State solution is the fundamental way forward.
Posted by: exile | Oct 9 2025 17:31 utc | 52
 
These dishonest, unprincipled and irresponsible states that keep repeating that “the two-state solution ist he fundamental way forward” and similar, never state WHY that is the “only solution (Russia), and “the fundamental way forward”.
 
Why? Based on what historical, geographical, cultural or any demonstrably justified reasons; based on what TRUTH ? What law allows the outright theft of someone’s  land and the mass expulsion, mass killing and  dispossession of its inhabitants, and what law validates that theft as permanent, and those crimes as not-crimes?  The infamous UN partition plan is NOT law, it is a dirty, rotten  consensus to validate colonialist occupation of Palestine. It is THE injustice that is the root cause of Palestinian suffering for 80 years. And they call it the law, and the partition a fundamental way forward. Wow !
 
There is no point in mentioning morality, since these “two-state solution” peddlers, all of them,  do not operate on the basis of any morality. or humanity.  Their morality is commerce and self-interest, because in their vision of the world, commerce and self-interest will bring peace, justice, equality, all those lofty things they keep talking about, while their trade-buddy Israel is and was annihilating the defenseless Palestinians, who the”two-state solution” peddlers, after everything, want to cordon off into two separated bantustans and call that the Palestinian state that has been recognized, even though  no one has seen it because – it does not exist. But it’s recognized, as part of the one and only “two state solution”. Wow!
 
I suggest that China consider the two-state solution for Taiwan, when it proposes the two state solution for Palestine.
 
 
 
 
 

Posted by: JB | Oct 9 2025 20:01 utc | 92

My latest article on Trumpanyahu’s peace plan “implementation”, with news from Iran and Yemen as well: https://geopolitiq.substack.com/p/is-trumpanyahus-peace-plan-being?r=25fc37

Posted by: Ismaele | Oct 9 2025 20:05 utc | 93

O/T Strike on Kabul by Pakistan was assassination attempt on TTP leader.

Posted by: Ornot | Oct 9 2025 20:11 utc | 94

see the 52-second video at the first link   
 
 
https://x.com/RamAbdu/status/1976359305545666866
Ramy Abdu| @RamAbdu 
 
Breaking: Warnings of a possible collapse of the ceasefire… Israel bombed a residential building tonight housing dozens of civilians, with initial reports indicating that 50 civilians — most of them children — were murdered.
 
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https://novaramedia.com/2025/10/09/brits-serving-in-israeli-military-could-get-prison-time/ 
Brits Serving in Israeli Military Could Get Prison Time – ‘The legal landscape has shifted.’ 
 
Brits can now be prosecuted under UK law for the first time for serving in the Israeli Defence Forces (IDF) in Gaza and the West Bank, legal professionals have confirmed. 
 
British nationals and dual nationals who have travelled to Gaza to fight on behalf of Israel since the UK’s recognition of the state of Palestine on 21 September are breaking the law – and can now be prosecuted. 
 
If British nationals currently serving in the IDF continue to do so, they are opening themselves up to potential criminal charges…..
 
 

Posted by: michaelj72 | Oct 9 2025 20:17 utc | 95

Martyr journalist Ahmed Bakr al-Louh

“Hamas:

We demand that the mediators and the US administration assume their responsibility regarding the occupation’s crimes and intervene to compel it to stop bombing civilians.

The systematic massacres committed by the occupation reveal its government’s insistence on continuing the genocide until the last moment.

Through the massacre west of Gaza City, the occupation government aims to disrupt the efforts of the mediators and disrupt efforts to implement the agreement.”

Posted by: Ornot | Oct 9 2025 20:24 utc | 96

 
michaelj72,
your efforts posting key items are incredibly valuable. Thank you.
RE Posted by: Exile | Oct 9 2025 11:28 utc | 356 
 
thanks exile.
let us keep up our Spirits, continue posting, and be of value as Witnesses
 

Posted by: michaelj72 | Oct 9 2025 20:39 utc | 97

To add to my post : JB | Oct 9 2025 20:01 utc | 89
It is a perversion of the the facts, of the glaring 100-year old truth, to claim, as Russia does for instance, that the root cause of the problems in the ME is that the Palestinian state has not been established as per the partition plan.
 
The root cause is the establishment of  Zionist Israel on Palestinian land,  and the recognition of Israel, which has terrorised the Palestinians, the entire region, and the world, from day one of its criminal establishment. 
 
The establishment of Israel was and is totally contrary to the law, reason and morals, it is an affront to human conscience, and a monstrous crime against the Palestinian people subjected to 80 years of the most  barbaric  victimisation.
 
It is time to right the wrong.
 

Posted by: JB | Oct 9 2025 20:40 utc | 98

Just been watching a livestream from Danny Haiphong, with Garland Nixon, Scott Ritter and Ray McGovern as guests.
 
Ray McGovern is sceptical, to say the least, about Netanyahu upholding his side of the supposed agreement and I agree, this smells all too convenient, just in time for His Royal Orangeness to gain credibility for a ‘Piss’ Prize award.
 
Once that is done and dusted I fully expect the genocidal apartheid entity that pollutes the Eastern Mediterranean to resume normal service against the Palestinians, the Zionists will revert to type.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Oct 9 2025 20:41 utc | 99

Global Summit Flotilla Commentary (& vid)
 
https://x.com/Globalsumudf/status/1976231372386648461
 
“Retired US Army officer disrupts Senate hearing in protest of US complicity in the genocide in Gaza. ‘I demand that you stop lying to the American people. You will stop and cease the war in Gaza. Stop the genocide in Gaza!”

Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 9 2025 21:03 utc | 100