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October 5, 2025
Palestine Open Thread 2025-232
News & views related to the war in Palestine …
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Hezbollah statement on second year of Al_Aqsa flood: Posted by: JB | Oct 7 2025 14:49 utc | 201 Hamas official Fawzi Barhoum as reported by the Plestinian Information Centre: Posted by: JB | Oct 7 2025 15:03 utc | 202 As two years of Al-Aqsa Flood are being marked there is one important, epic voice missing – Abu Obeida. Posted by: JB | Oct 7 2025 15:15 utc | 203 @163 Dan Kelly Some background… Democracy for us , bullets for you by Begin at the JCIT 1979 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HEMnfj-8VDk Which cites http://adeyinkamakinde.blogspot.com/2017/04/israel-and-islamist-militias-strange.html Which covers a lot of terrain and is worth reading if only for that (i.e. intro to hypothesis of relationship between “Israel” and Islamism) . The author is Nigerian British barrister … full caveat as I don’t know his direction etc. (LL.B (Hons) of the Middle Temple) , lectures at Westminster . @Giyane the above might interest you also, am limited to essentials on web or would reply to you more often. Posted by: Ornot | Oct 7 2025 15:16 utc | 204 Dialogue Works Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 7 2025 15:16 utc | 205 Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 7 2025 16:05 utc | 206 Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 7 2025 16:12 utc | 207 Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 7 2025 16:05 utc | 208 Posted by: JB | Oct 7 2025 16:19 utc | 208 Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 7 2025 0:10 utc | 160 An AI Addendum Share
Last month, I chose to strip away all the hubris around AI and ask one simple question, one that oddly no one had really bothered to ask; how much revenue is needed to justify the current level of capex spend and give AI investors a return on their capital?? Yet, no one outside of this insular industry seems to have had their own awakening. Investors in particular seem oddly asleep at the wheel; fixated on the rate of improvement for LLMs, and oblivious to how the economics of all this will work. Remember, the industry is spending over $30 billion a month (approximately $400 billion for 2025) and only receiving a bit more than a billion a month back in revenue. The mismatch is astonishing, and this ignores that in 2026, hundreds of billions of additional datacenters will get built, all needing additional revenue to justify their existence. Adding the two years together, and using the math from my prior post, you’d need approximately $1 trillion in revenue to hit break even, and many trillions more to earn an acceptable return on this spend. Remember again, that revenue is currently running at around $15 to $20 billion today. Despite having 100s of historic images for inferencing, AI still chose to set the Panic of 1873 during a boomtown’s first meeting with Wyatt Earp, it also can’t count to 7. Will a few hundred billion of additional capex fix this?? I thought it was odd how many AI industry insiders brought up the railroads as a good proxy for why the AI buildout must continue, without mentioning that the railroads all went bust, multiple times, along the way—with these busts often leading to multi-year global financial panics. Think about the railroads in the second half of the 19th century. When they failed, it wasn’t just the collapsing bonds held by investors, often pledged as collateral for other loans, that pulled down the economy. It was also the inability of the railroads to raise additional capital to order new steel and railroad ties, along with the thousands who got laid off at railroad yards and locomotive manufacturing plants. Then, there were huge multiplier effects to all of this. Railroads became dominant, not just to the financial system, but to the real economy as well. They became so important, that they would become responsible for periodic and deep economic depressions every time they experienced funding stresses. Raising capital for a money losing business is hard. Back then, you got a free train trip. Now you get the free use of an LLM… Railroads and AI are actually quite similar, they’re absolutely massive capital projects, with huge financial implications for investors. Much like with railroads, if the funding for AI slows, the buildout slows. If the buildout stops, the shares of the AI beneficiaries get sold off, and the Wealth Effect goes in reverse. Consumption growth goes negative, and you get a financial panic that reverberates through the entire economy in a feedback loop. Except unlike railroad tracks and locomotives, which have long useful lives, AI datacenters go obsolete almost immediately—they’re complete write-offs. The capital destruction will be massive. Knowing my financial history, and the fact that these things tend to rhyme, I’ve been somewhat mesmerized by the recent spate of announcements amongst a handful of companies that seem to be simultaneously buying, selling and investing in each other. It feels like something that I’ve seen before, especially as the numbers are absolutely massive—so massive that they cannot be meant as actual financial commitments, but rather to generate investor attention. Now, I want to be clear when I say that I have zero evidence that anything illegal is happening here. Then again, something about this does seem to rhyme. It feels like the money is starting to run out, and they’re starting to become more desperate to gin up new AI investors—hence, the reason that I’ve started to fixate on this AI topic. The numbers involved are massive, but that is irrelevant to the timing of when this implodes. Like all bubbles, it implodes when people get tired of funding it. Posted by: canuk | Oct 7 2025 16:21 utc | 209 Live Blog: Day 732 Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 7 2025 16:22 utc | 210 @canuk | Oct 7 2025 16:21 utc | 211
It is what happens in pyramid schemes, such as the one you are describing. Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 7 2025 16:32 utc | 212 @211 Posted by: paddy | Oct 7 2025 16:42 utc | 213 @ canuk | Oct 7 2025 16:21 utc | 211 Posted by: malenkov | Oct 7 2025 16:56 utc | 214 This is the last reaction about two years of Al Aqsa Flood that I will post because I think it is very telling. Posted by: JB | Oct 7 2025 17:00 utc | 215 larry ellison what a ghoul been in the shadows for decades tik tok lucky larry your idf sicko will not be able to help you come the day of rekoyning. Posted by: normal wisdom | Oct 7 2025 17:13 utc | 216 Two Years of The Gaza Genocide: A Crime of Zionism & Imperialism Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 7 2025 17:38 utc | 217 Trump: “Our ultimate goal is the complete elimination of Hamas. We will restore peace by force.” Posted by: Republicofscotland | Oct 7 2025 18:09 utc | 218 The Zio-Monster will pounce on this mini – Sumud very soon. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Oct 7 2025 18:10 utc | 219 Drop on mainly civilians – hospitals schools and residential areas. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Oct 7 2025 18:12 utc | 220 This lot make the WWII Nazi’s look positively mediocre. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Oct 7 2025 18:14 utc | 221 Posted by: Republicofscotland | Oct 7 2025 19:11 utc | 222 Together with an additional $9.65 to $12.07 billion spent by the Pentagon on military operations in support of Israel in Yemen and elsewhere in the Middle East, the overall US investment in the Gaza conflict amounts to between $31.35 and $33.77 billion, the report stated. Posted by: Jo | Oct 7 2025 19:16 utc | 223 British government arms sales to Israel up in 2025 – even though the Labour government said it wasn’t selling weapons to Israel. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Oct 7 2025 19:18 utc | 224 Chief Rabbi says British Jews ARE part of Israel – does that make British Jews complicit in genocide as well? Posted by: Republicofscotland | Oct 7 2025 19:29 utc | 225 @ canuk | Oct 7 2025 16:21 utc | 211 I normally skim or ignore the really long posts: at a certain point length begins to fall into an inverse ratio to meaningful content. But this one was excellent. Thanks for sharing! Posted by: Don Firineach | Oct 7 2025 20:00 utc | 226 Exclusive: Senior Hamas Leader Mousa Abu Marzouk on Trump’s Gaza Plan and the Future of Hamas
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“There has never been in history an open war, a genocide broadcast on television like this war, a war in which starvation is used as a weapon, the killing of children is used as a weapon, and the blocking of medicine is used as a weapon. Is it possible that Trump is devoid of humanity to this extent? Is that possible?” Posted by: Don Firineach | Oct 7 2025 20:54 utc | 227 We all see you now. Posted by: michaelj72 | Oct 7 2025 13:52 utc | 202 Posted by: David G Horsman | Oct 7 2025 21:43 utc | 228 Don Firineach @ 229 – good interview, very helpful thanks for posting. This one not so much… Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 7 2025 21:58 utc | 229 Today, Oct 7th 2025, an isolated headline: Posted by: Otto Penn | Oct 7 2025 21:58 utc | 230 RE: Posted by: Otto Penn | Oct 7 2025 21:58 utc | 232 Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 7 2025 22:40 utc | 231 @211 Canuk I don’t have any much opinion of AI at all, and the view you post seems valid also. What Arch described however is where ‘government enterprise’ funds the use of AI to increase its own abilities. In short AI as part of say military spending or other government dept. The digital inputs exist, with centralisation of official registry, banking and finance detail, social media, telecoms etc. To go conspiracist even, what happens to these new frameworks once they go bust ? They get bought at cents to be put to other use… So AI as a business vs AI as part of a method of increasing leverage of governance are two distinct routes. We already know governments are able to lavish their own projects, that those do not have to be profit making and that any expense only needs verbal justification, if that even. Posted by: Ornot | Oct 7 2025 22:53 utc | 232 @222 RoS https://t.me/Sohaibpress/116579 (Not graphic) Posted by: Ornot | Oct 7 2025 22:56 utc | 233 Islamic Jihad Marks Al-Aqsa Flood Anniversary, Hails Fighters ‘Unmatched Bravery’ Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 7 2025 23:01 utc | 234 A longer analysis of the current negotiation at present…. “Hostages in Exchange for Withdrawal… Sharm El-Sheikh Negotiations Between a Breakthrough Opportunity and the Complexities of a Crucial Moment” by Rami Abu Zubaydah It appears that the negotiations in Sharm El-Sheikh are approaching a decisive moment, but it is complex and fraught with political and security pitfalls. The intersecting threads paint the following picture: 1. The core of the dispute: Hamas links the release of the Israeli hostages to a full Israeli withdrawal and international guarantees for a ceasefire, insisting that the last prisoner be exchanged for the last withdrawn soldier. This linkage raises the bar for negotiations and presents Israel with two bitter choices: either accept an equation that effectively ends the war, or return to a state of stalemate and escalation. 2. The Israeli dilemma: Tel Aviv fears being drawn into a discussion of the future of the war during what is supposed to be a humanitarian/reciprocal phase under Trump’s two-stage plan. Therefore, Netanyahu instructed his delegation not to deviate from the plan’s text and not to engage in broader political issues. Concerns center on two issues: the withdrawal maps and the lists of high-profile prisoners, such as Barghouti and Saadat, which Israel considers red lines. 3. The American-Turkish-Qatari-Egyptian presence: The entry of Witkoff and Kushner into the talks, along with Turkey’s direct involvement with intelligence weight, indicates a desire to push the negotiations toward a rapid breakthrough. The United States wants a political achievement for Trump as soon as possible, which puts pressure on all parties but also gives Hamas an opportunity to use the time factor as leverage. 4. Current dynamics: The general atmosphere is described as cautiously optimistic; progress has been made on technical issues (the first stage, the least controversial lists). The major obstacle awaits the arrival of high-level delegations to begin discussing the “withdrawal maps” and guarantees for a ceasefire, which are the core of the negotiating battle. Israel is betting that American pressure may soften Hamas’s conditions, while Hamas is betting on everyone’s need for an urgent political breakthrough to toughen its own conditions. – The current situation demonstrates that the “hostages for withdrawal” equation is at the heart of the negotiating battle, and that the arrival of the American and Turkish delegations is an indication of intense pressure to reach an agreement. However, disagreement over the core issues makes a breakthrough conditional on the mediators’ ability to formulate written guarantees and a gradual timetable that satisfies both sides. The next few days are crucial to determining whether Trump’s plan will launch a path to ending the war or falter at the first real test. The scale and quality of participation in the Sharm el-Sheikh talks clearly reflect that what is taking place is no longer just a traditional round of negotiations, but rather an arena for crafting a major political and security settlement: – The United States is entering with unprecedented political weight through Trump’s envoys (Wittcoff and Kushner), with direct oversight from the president himself and a private meeting with the national security team before their departure. This reveals that Washington views this moment as a historic opportunity to conclude a Gaza deal. – Turkey is raising the level of its engagement with the dispatch of intelligence chief Ibrahim Kalin, an indication of Ankara’s seriousness in playing an influential role in security and humanitarian issues, particularly the ceasefire and prisoner exchange. Egypt and Qatar have traditionally served as mediators, but they now face a new test in coordinating their roles with the Americans and the Turks. – The international presence, with such significant security and political weight, indicates that the talks have gone beyond managing an immediate crisis to formulating post-war arrangements. This is due to the intersection of major interests related to the future of Gaza and regional security guarantees, making Sharm el-Sheikh more like an international operations room for ending the war than just a regular negotiating platform.” Via https://t-me.translate.goog/s/Military_Security?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en Posted by: Ornot | Oct 7 2025 23:05 utc | 235 Hamas Says Israel Can’t Be Trusted (corrected) Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 7 2025 23:06 utc | 236 A shorter analysis of current negotiation, this via hebrew reflecting more the “Israeli” view, where occupation is said to insist on complete unadjusted adherence to the US plan, with own deadline set for negotiation to end. “Channel 14 on the Sharm el-Sheikh negotiations: According to Channel 14’s political correspondent, Tamir Morag, no progress has yet been made in the Sharm el-Sheikh negotiations that would justify the attendance of Ron Dermer, Wootkoff, and the Qatari prime minister. So far, Hamas has rejected the disarmament clause and is demanding a full Israeli withdrawal from the Gaza Strip. Hamas insists on agreeing to all the terms of the proposal, after which it would be ready to release all Israeli prisoners. The Hamas delegation is also demanding guarantees of a complete cessation of military operations, and the movement believes the continued Israeli bombardment of the Gaza Strip is making it difficult to reach an agreement” Via Sohaib Masalmeh Posted by: Ornot | Oct 7 2025 23:12 utc | 237 Mahmood OD: Kicking Out the IDF – The Talks Day 2 Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 7 2025 23:12 utc | 238 The significance of a red heifer is not its colour, but that isn’t White like the Hindu totem Cow worship. One day soon the Jews will realise that they just wiped out their own family, their Monotheistic cousins, heirs to Ishmaeel and Ibraheem. Posted by: Giyane | Oct 7 2025 23:20 utc | 239 @ John Gilberts | Oct 7 2025 21:58 utc | 231 Posted by: malenkov | Oct 7 2025 23:21 utc | 240 see the video at the second link Posted by: michaelj72 | Oct 7 2025 23:22 utc | 241 Posted by: michaelj72 | Oct 8 2025 1:04 utc | 242 Journalist Youssef Fares “Gaza City talk dissolves in a sea of news of negotiations, deals, optimism and pessimism . The occupation army is re-enacting famine , after closing all roads to the entry of aid and commercial goods . The remaining flour and canned goods in the city are almost depleted. In the face of the scarcity of goods, the price of a sack of flour has risen to 250 shekels , while people’s pockets are empty. The most dangerous thing is the water outage and scarcity of drinking water . Our people in the city are living a battle for survival that requires attention and solidarity . More than 300,000 are besieged in a narrow pocket , bombarded by aircraft and artillery morning and evening , and the crime of starvation and deliberate thirst is being practiced against them. Journalist Yousef Fares Posted by: Ornot | Oct 8 2025 1:17 utc | 243 Tonight I honour the Palestinian resistance martyrs, their families and friends in Yemen, the West Bank, Lebanon and Iran. Posted by: simon crow | Oct 8 2025 1:23 utc | 244 see the 1:47 video at the first/second link. Posted by: michaelj72 | Oct 8 2025 1:29 utc | 245 The battle for mind-space is on.
Incredible. Click the link, give a skim. Posted by: Otto Penn | Oct 8 2025 3:42 utc | 246 ‘Zohran’s latest statement is disgraceful. It hides behind the language of morality while reinforcing the same frameworks that dehumanize Palestinians.’ Posted by: Dan Kelly | Oct 8 2025 5:14 utc | 247 Posted by: michaelj72 | Oct 8 2025 5:52 utc | 248 “This is the last reaction about two years of Al Aqsa Flood that I will post because I think it is very telling.Vanessa Beeley…”Posted by: JB | Oct 7 2025 17:00 utc | 217 Posted by: David G Horsman | Oct 8 2025 7:13 utc | 249 Posted by: michaelj72 | Oct 8 2025 7:51 utc | 250 @249 Dan Kelly Posted by: Woke American | Oct 8 2025 9:34 utc | 251 They die every way:
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 8 2025 10:02 utc | 252 Ornot 239 Posted by: Giyane | Oct 8 2025 10:32 utc | 253 According to reports, at Hamas request Islamic Jihad and the Popular Front for the Liberationn of Palestine have joined the negotiations in Egypt. Posted by: JB | Oct 8 2025 12:23 utc | 254 I’m glad that Hamas is standing fast regarding keeping weapons and all Izzies out of Gaza. If Witkoff and Kushner are involved in “negotiations” they are not at all to be trusted which is not news to barflies. Check this if you haven’t seen it. https://www.globalresearch.ca/netanyahu-dirty-work-blackrock/5901866 Posted by: Formerly Miss Lacy | Oct 8 2025 12:37 utc | 255 257 Posted by: normal wisdom | Oct 8 2025 12:51 utc | 256 It’s clear now: Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 8 2025 13:24 utc | 257 As far as Hamas is concerned, a prisoner swap would be a sensible move, but any kind of deal agreement from them would look like a legitimisation of the genocide, so I can’t see them doing that. Is that what the aim of the Trump plan is – to try to legitimise the ethnic cleansing? Posted by: Dave G | Oct 8 2025 13:37 utc | 258 Mahmood OD: ‘Iran Israel War 2’ Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 8 2025 13:58 utc | 259 Journalist Youssef Fares “Gaza Municipality : If the closure and siege on Gaza City continue, we are heading towards a famine that is more severe and intense than before. Hundreds of thousands of citizens are still here, and practically nothing is left in the markets now. If there is, there are very limited options, and prices are very high, in parallel with a stifling cash liquidity crisis.” Posted by: Ornot | Oct 8 2025 14:12 utc | 260 All neutral parties now report that 80% of all housing structures in Gaza have been destroyed by the IDF war criminals via their airstrikes and tank fire. Posted by: tobias cole | Oct 8 2025 14:55 utc | 261 Note: Posted by: exile | Oct 8 2025 15:17 utc | 262 R2R: Fierce Resistance in Gaza as Negotiations in Egypt Continue Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 8 2025 15:18 utc | 263 This brother says everything that should be said to Judeo-Christians Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 8 2025 15:19 utc | 264 TRT: Emergency Medicine Specialist Dr Mads Gilbert Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 8 2025 15:57 utc | 265 Dr Mads Gilbert on Gaza (corrected) Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 8 2025 16:01 utc | 266 Some nice news:
Posted by: teri | Oct 8 2025 16:10 utc | 267 A comparison (polemical, no offense meant) : https://t.me/Sohaibpress/116626 Posted by: Ornot | Oct 8 2025 16:18 utc | 268 see the 1:23 video at the first link Posted by: michaelj72 | Oct 8 2025 17:25 utc | 269 Posted by: normal wisdom | Oct 8 2025 17:46 utc | 270 Ornot, thank you for those links. I’ll post them again here in the interest of further exposure: Adeyinka Makinde’s 2017 article entitled ‘Israel and Islamist Militias: A Strange and Recurring Alliance’ http://adeyinkamakinde.blogspot.com/2017/04/israel-and-islamist-militias-strange.html And Menachim Begin’speech at the Jerusalem Conference on International Terrorism in July 1979 about which Adeyinka Makinde wrote: ‘The connection between Israel and Islamist militias is one which has continued through to the era of the so-called ‘war on terror’. The ‘war on terror’ is itself an Israeli construct with origins in the ideas promoted by the Jonathan Institute, a body founded in 1976 and run by members of the Netanyahu family. The Jerusalem Conference of 1979 which was held under the auspices of the institute and with the full support of the then incumbent Prime Minister of Israel, Menachem Begin, sought to fundamentally change perceptions of the Israel-Palestine conflict. Netanyahu also wrote a series of books alongside the papers published by the institute which put forward the idea that acts of terror directed at Israel were based not on the precept of a legitimate struggle by a people dispossessed of their land and denied the right to self determination, but instead was predicated on a clash of values: the values of the Western world as supposedly represented by ‘democratic’ Israel and values antithetical to the West as represented by Arab ‘authoritarianism’ and ‘fanaticism’. https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=HEMnfj-8VDk Posted by: Dan Kelly | Oct 8 2025 18:08 utc | 271 Sohaib Masalmeh Channel “Channel 14: The European Union freezes sanctions on Israel.” In the next 24hrs, a ceasefire (probably starting Friday) is considered to be announced, coinciding with an initial understanding for exchange of prisoners…this is not certain, and Friday has also said to have been been set as a new deadline for reaching initial understanding…which is not fixed either…nothing is certain for now… Posted by: Ornot | Oct 8 2025 18:12 utc | 272 Woke American 253, I’m thinking something is in play whereby the billionaires and their corps will up wages a tiny bit so long as everything else remains status quo. Everything else will go by the wayside including other ‘left’ policies he has talked about like health care. Mamdini isn’t going to fight for anything particularly substantive nor for true structural changes. He never has even when he and ‘left’ allies were in power together. This is the point Kshama Sawant was articulating really well. Could he be ‘pushed’ into reforms once in office? We’d like to think so but again his track record is awful and now his complete capitulation to the Zionist agenda – which is what he is doing by using Zionist language to describe Hamas and frankly just being pitiful and awful now when it comes to Palestine. I mean, my god, what is Zohran Mamdini doing here? Is he himself even aware of the reality on the ground in Palestine and further even if he doesn’t really care himself – pure politician that he is – does he not realize that a massive voting demographic is in fact aware and wants nothing to do with Zionist barbarity? Is Mamdini simply playing their game simply to get into office but once in power he will really speak out against ‘Israel’ and recognize legitimate resistance, etc? I do not believe so at all. In the whole grand scheme of things is Mamdini better than Cuomo? Here we are again. Posted by: Dan Kelly | Oct 8 2025 18:32 utc | 273 Posted by: Exile | Oct 7 2025 2:13 utc | 168 Posted by: stranger | Oct 8 2025 18:57 utc | 274 But, as I am on the junction, I meet so many… Posted by: stranger | Oct 8 2025 19:14 utc | 275 Actually, thank you all, from you and Arch, Ornot. Michael, and of course b. Posted by: stranger | Oct 8 2025 20:01 utc | 277 Dan Kelly, 275 Posted by: Woke American | Oct 8 2025 20:56 utc | 278 see the first link: one of the greatest war crimes and crimes against humanity in living memory Posted by: michaelj72 | Oct 8 2025 21:20 utc | 279 DW: Laith Marouf Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 8 2025 21:23 utc | 280 MOATS, with George Galloway: ‘Two Years On’ Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 8 2025 22:17 utc | 281 see the 23-second video at the first link. omg have pity and mercy on these poor people of Palestine Posted by: michaelj72 | Oct 8 2025 22:43 utc | 282 You might find it relevant to your work in progress to watch this—the whole thing, but in particular starting at ca. 16:00: Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 8 2025 22:46 utc | 283 Viva la Resistance! Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 8 2025 22:49 utc | 284 https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/new-yorker-sex-claims-karim-khan-derailed-ICC-israel-probe Posted by: jayc | Oct 8 2025 23:03 utc | 285 Posted by: michaelj72 | Oct 8 2025 23:21 utc | 287 I wonder how long this one will last? Posted by: michaelj72 | Oct 8 2025 23:28 utc | 288 Thanks michaelj72 – thinking of the fable of the scorpion and the frog… Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 8 2025 23:36 utc | 289 RE: IRAN’S NUCLEAR PROGRAM “Iran interested in resuming talks on its nuclear program — Lavrov” “MOSCOW, October 8. /TASS/. Tehran is interested in resuming the negotiations on the Iranian nuclear program, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said in an interview for the ‘Bridges to the East’ project.” And to point out Iran has been flexible. We all know there is nothing to “talk” about. Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 8 2025 23:40 utc | 290 @290 michaelj “The deal is guaranteed by the U.S., Egypt, Qatar, and Turkey, ensuring that attacks will not resume as long as both parties adhere to its terms.” …and the terms are that the deal lasts until one party resumes its attacks … / Posted by: Ornot | Oct 8 2025 23:45 utc | 291 Journalist Youssef Fares “Note‼️ Dear residents, it is too early to return to the northern Gaza Strip via Rashid Street. What happened was only the signing of a draft agreement. There was no withdrawal or announcement of the actual start of the ceasefire.” Posted by: Ornot | Oct 8 2025 23:52 utc | 292 Journalist Youssef Fares “In the Name of God, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful Press Release • After responsible and serious negotiations between the movement and the Palestinian resistance factions regarding President Trump’s proposal in Sharm el-Sheikh, with the aim of reaching an end to the war of extermination against our Palestinian people and the occupation’s withdrawal from the Gaza Strip, the Islamic Resistance Movement (Hamas) announces the reaching of an agreement stipulating the end of the war on Gaza, the occupation’s withdrawal from it, the entry of aid, and the exchange of prisoners. • We highly appreciate the efforts of our mediating brothers in Qatar, Egypt, and Turkey. We also value the efforts of US President Donald Trump seeking to permanently stop the war and the occupation’s complete withdrawal from the Gaza Strip. • We call on President Trump, the guarantor states of the agreement, and various Arab, Islamic, and international parties to oblige the occupation government to fully implement the agreement’s requirements and not allow it to evade or procrastinate in implementing what was agreed upon. • We salute our great people in the Gaza Strip, in Jerusalem and the West Bank, inside and outside the homeland, who have recorded positions of unparalleled pride, heroism, and honor, and confronted the fascist occupation’s projects that targeted them and their national rights. These great sacrifices and stances thwarted the Israeli occupation’s plans for subjugation and displacement. We affirm that the sacrifices of our people will not be in vain, and that we will remain faithful to the covenant and will not abandon our people’s national rights until freedom, independence, and self-determination. Islamic Resistance Movement – Hamas Thursday: 17 Rabi’ al-Thani 1447 AH I hope they will publish the text of the agreement, or partial agreement if points are still to be resolved. Posted by: Ornot | Oct 8 2025 23:57 utc | 293 Mahmood OD: ‘Trump Heading To Gaza’ Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 8 2025 23:59 utc | 294 Sohaib Masalmeh Channel “Israel Hayom: – Diplomatic sources: Both sides made concessions during the negotiations. – Israel agreed to certain changes to the yellow withdrawal line. – Living prisoners will be released on Sunday, along with a large number of bodies. The remaining remains will be handed over the following week. – Hamas received assurances from mediators that the ceasefire will continue as long as both sides adhere to the terms of the Trump plan, prohibiting any hostile actions of any kind. – Humanitarian aid will enter immediately through five crossings, including the Rafah crossing. – Negotiations on arrangements to end the war and the second phase will begin with the end of the Jewish holidays.” [Second phase and end of conflict still to be negotiated….] Sohaib Masalmeh Channel “Netanyahu: I will convene a cabinet meeting today, Thursday, to ratify the agreement…” Posted by: Ornot | Oct 9 2025 0:03 utc | 295 Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 8 2025 23:40 utc | 292 Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 9 2025 0:05 utc | 296 RE: “Just make sure that the negotiation team are a bunch of nobodies.” Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 9 2025 0:24 utc | 298 AJ Liveblog: BREAKING Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 9 2025 0:27 utc | 299 I think it’s significant that the ceasefire has come right on the heels of the incredible world-wide attention/effects of the Flotilla. The brutality & utter lawlessness of the israeli state & its forces was on full display to a world-wide audience – a veritable ‘public relations’ nightmare for israel, trump, and zionism Posted by: michaelj72 | Oct 9 2025 0:33 utc | 300 |
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