President Donald Trump announced that he is giving Hamas a deadline of 6 p.m. on Oct. 5 to respond to his proposal to end the Israel-Hamas war before they are “hunted down, and killed.”
“If this LAST CHANCE agreement is not reached, all HELL, like no one has ever seen before, will break out against Hamas. THERE WILL BE PEACE IN THE MIDDLE EAST ONE WAY OR THE OTHER,” Trump wrote in post on Truth Social on Oct. 3.

Today is October 5th, Trump’s seemingly arbitrary deadline.
But is the deadline more than arbitrary?
Al Aqsa mosque is about to be invaded and defiled once again. It has become an annual Sukkot event.That the al Aqsa mosque is going to be invaded and defiled during Sukkot is a given.Will the actions of the extremist settlers go above and beyond what they have perpetrated in past years?The long awaited Red Bulls arrived in Jerusalem this summer, they are a necessary ingredient for the creation of the Third Temple.
Sukkot begins at sundown on October 6th. The first full day of Sukkot is October 7th.
Did Donald Trump choose his deadline with the Third Temple in mind?

Posted by: Otto Penn | Oct 5 2025 12:51 utc | 3

There is no ceasefire and there is no agreement.  Trump said (last night?, early this morning?) that “when the ceasefire takes effect…”  This is after saying more than 24 hours ago that Israel had to stop bombing immediately.  Trump clearly has no intention of holding Israel to any “immediate ceasefire”.  He is a craven liar and a tool.  But we know this.  This is the man who wants to use the military on his own people and admits he hates and will punish anyone who didn’t vote for him.  (Which is odd, given that he won the election.  Who cares now who did or did not vote for him?  He’s in the White House.)
 

Trump: When the ceasefire takes effect, the exchange of prisoners and missing persons will begin, and we will set the stage for the next phase of the withdrawal from Gaza
https://t-me.translate.goog/s/Sohaibpress?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en

 
To add to that, now Netanyahu claims there are heretofor unnoticed clauses that allow Israel the following:
 

Maariv: 
Israel introduced a clause into the Trump plan “under the radar.” Clause 5 stipulates that Israel will release Palestinian prisoners after Hamas releases all Israeli prisoners, living and dead.
 
https://t-me.translate.goog/s/Ahaamd1985?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en
 
 
Israel managed to slip a clause into the Trump plan “under the radar,” according to Maariv. Clause 5 stipulates that Israel will release Palestinian prisoners after Hamas releases all 48 Israeli prisoners, living or dead, held in its possession. The clause aims to minimize “Hamas’ tricks and deceptions,” according to the Hebrew newspaper.
 
Yedioth Ahronoth on Netanyahu: 
Israel will be responsible and involved in demilitarizing the Gaza Strip
 
 
Yedioth Ahronoth on Netanyahu: The Palestinian Authority will not control Gaza the next day, and there will be no Hamas representative.
 If Hamas does not release the detainees within the timeframe set by Trump, Israel will return to fighting.
 
https://t-me.translate.goog/s/youseffares19?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en

 
Israel has not ended the continuous bombing.
 

Gaza Ministry of Health:
 
– 65 martyrs, including two recovered martyrs, and 153 injuries arrived at Gaza Strip hospitals during the past 24 hours.
 
https://t-me.translate.goog/s/youseffares19?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en
 
Urgent | The occupation army completely destroys Al-Azhar University in Gaza City.
 
11 martyrs were killed by Israeli occupation forces in several areas since dawn today, including 4 people waiting for aid in the southern Gaza Strip.
 
https://t-me.translate.goog/s/Sohaibpress?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en

 
I see no intention of honest brokering here.  The genocide will continue to its end, and anyone who believes the US and Israel intend anything different is foolish.  They are lying killers who cannot be relied on in any way to keep to their words.  In particular, this is on Trump and Netanyahu, who are both vicious pigs.  What an evil combination of immorality and greed.
 
 

Posted by: teri | Oct 5 2025 12:54 utc | 5

 
The Vach brothers: Israel’s first family of genocide
„….,
Two top Israeli officers who invented tales of nonexistent Jewish children and babies murdered on 7 October were among the army commanders who have led the genocidal destruction of the Gaza Strip ever since.
 
Brigadier General Barak Hiram and Colonel Golan Vach helped manufacture consent for the annihilation of Gaza by falsely claiming that Palestinian fighters executed eight Israeli children in Kibbutz Be’eri.
 
Hiram and Vach later leveraged that consent to carry out war crimes, jointly creating a kilometers-wide corridor of death bisecting the strip south of Gaza City.
 
According to reports in Israeli daily Haaretz, the officer most responsible for the area’s obliteration is Golan Vach’s younger brother, Brigadier General Yehuda Vach, who inherited from Hiram command over the so-called Netzarim corridor in the summer of 2024.
 
With the help of his brother, Yehuda Vach then transformed the scorched territory into a kill zone where Palestinian civilians are massacred without mercy, Haaretz reported in late December 2024.
 
In February, the Hind Rajab Foundation – a Belgium-based organization that seeks to bringIsraelis responsible for the genocide to justice – filed a complaint with the International Criminal Court, urging that it indict Yehuda Vach for war crimes in Gaza…..(excerpt)
 
https://electronicintifada.net/content/vach-brothers-israels-first-family-genocide/50629

Posted by: Exile | Oct 5 2025 13:15 utc | 7

 
First draft:
 
The Capture of the Global Generative A.I Industry by the Jewish Zionist Political-Finance and Technological Complex (“The Cabal”)
 
Preview:

 
Position Statement

1. A Global cabal centered around the Zionist Jews of the West are in total control of the Western Generative A.I technology stack and it’s ecosystem of related data analytics, security and cloud services technologies.
2. The Cabal operates in cooperation and in tension with the demands of a subordinate Cabal of Anglo-American Imperialists (“Neocons”) who enforce and facilitate the Cabal’s domination of the Generative A.I stack.
3. Between the above named Jewish Cabal and its subordinate Anglo-American Imperialist Cabal, the entire foreign, economic, and domestic industrial policy of the five eyes and ‘israel’ is unified within a global strategy of financial and technological capture, monopoly and aggressive exclusion of Non-western (Chinese) competition.
4. The Generative A.I technology stack, along with its ancillary security, data analytics stack is being pushed into the most sensitive areas of government research and operations facilities all across the Western and non-western world, extending all the way to ASEAN countries with the exclusion of China. This fact poses a massive future security threat and influence lever should the Cabal decide to support color revolutions in these countries (or their neighbors). The threat is even more exacerbated by the fact that these technologies are currently being used to support Western imperial warfare against unarmed populations in the Middle East and potentially elsewhere.
5. The American-Zionist led campaign to inflate the value of Generative A.I technology stock and supporting technologies (Data Center Power and Thermal) involves driving the use of these technologies in every possible area of technology and commerce, in an effort to make it an inextricable component of everyday human life, displacing non-a.i technologies. This represents an attempt to develop a matrix of total control over human life, particularly in those areas where human life is dependent on compliance with technological trends and Western-dominated practices.
6. The sheer breadth of coverage of the of GenAI technology ecosystem, dominated by a central Jewish Zionist Cabal, is resulting in a global monopoly over a core set of technologies human beings require to perform High Performance Computing (HPC). The entire field of HPC is therefore being subsumed and monopolized by Generative A.I technology vendor cabal.

2. Justifying Premise
The following publicly verifiable statements comprise my justifying premise for the above position declaration:

1. The public face of The Cabal comprises known Jewish Zionists with implicit or explicitly declared allegiance to the so called ‘State of Israel’. Characters from
2. These Jewish Zionists operate in public collusion in order to capture and dominate key technologies (represented by technology companies) essential to the delivery of Generative A.I services at scale. They have made recorded statements to this effect and market actions have supported these statements.
3. Representatives of the Zionist Jewish Cabal have publicly voiced their intention to apply generative a.i and it’s ancillary technologies to a Global matrix of control over human life, beginning with the Western world and eventually extending to Asia.
4. Cloud and A.I technology companies have been publicly known to support israeli and American millitary psychological operations against global populations, most notably against Gaza with Unit 8200 and more specifically via the “Lavender” kill-chain system.
5. The POTUS, in public collaboration with almost exclusively Jewish representatives of the Cabal has identified the role of global US Generative A.I dominance as central to the national security of the USA. i.e “worth going to war over”. To this end, the USA has launched a global embargo of Chinese-origin A.I technologies, favoring the developing of Jewish controlled A.I technology stack.
6. Along with a central core of directly A.I-related products, Western corporations are pushing a range of ancillary products that are also affiliated to the Zionist Jewish Cabal and their Anglo-American subordinates: CPU. Storage. Networking. Security solutions. The threat of technological infiltration therefore extends far beyond the actual A.I technology itself but to the “stack” of supporting tools and infrastructure.
7. Almost every key player and many minor ones throughout the Generative A.I technology stack has an office in israel, despite the fact that there is on surface no (apparent) commercial, technological or resource reason why this should be the case. It’s fair to assume that the reasons are political.
8. The field of High Performance Computing (HPC), critical to enabling Nations and national industries to conduct advanced research in medical, population management, military, industrial and economic fields is being subsumed into the Generative A.I compute stack: Even if the specific HPC application is not particularly “A.I Centric”, the compute hardware is being replaced by the same infrastructure that supports Generative A.I Applications i.e, the same hardware dominated by the Zionist Jewish Cabal. State Entities embarking on massive HPC rejuvenation projects are seeing sense in simply replacing HPC with the powerful, high capacity Generative A.I clusters which are imminently capable of “high performance computing”.
9. The presence of a controlling israeli influence throughout the US Military (Pentagon), Intelligence, Finance and Government machinery results in favouring israel-affilliated businesses delivering Generative A.I solutions (Storage, compute, networking providers).

These are publicly verifiable facts and trends.
 
 

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 5 2025 13:42 utc | 9

Martyred:
 
 
https://t-me.translate.goog/s/hossamsshbat?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en
 
 
https://t-me.translate.goog/s/Ahaamd1985?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en
 
 
Reporting from Rafah
 
 
https://t-me.translate.goog/s/madinat_khanyuns?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en
 
 
Providing more detailed coverage of individual events occuring, given on the ground reporting is becoming sparser
 
 
Ahaamd1985 listed above
 
 
GazaNewsNow listed above
 
 
https://t-me.translate.goog/s/P_S_PI?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en

Posted by: Ornot | Oct 5 2025 13:50 utc | 11

Posted by: JB | Oct 5 2025 13:40 utc | 7
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ALL CAPS detract from the message. Please.

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Oct 5 2025 14:17 utc | 13

Anyone got the 7th October,  israeli helicopter gunship,  video footage ?
Idf  shooting israeli rave party victems.
I saved it but predictably it vanished from the bookmarked site,
Cheers in advance.

Posted by: Mark2 | Oct 5 2025 14:20 utc | 15

Anne Wright US Veteran Joins Gaza Flotilla:  “We Must Stand Against Genocide”
Speaking from Istanbul on October fifth, retired US Army Colonel and former diplomat Mary Ann Wright, now a key member of the Freedom Flotilla Coalition, declared: “The ships will continue until Palestine is free.” Wright, who resigned in 2003 over the Iraq War, has been involved in over 35 Gaza-bound flotillas since 2010. She emphasized that despite arrests, threats, and bombings, the Freedom Flotilla Coalition will keep sailing to break the Israeli blockade on Gaza. Condemning the US government’s complicity in the ongoing war, she said, “Our government is up to its eyeballs in genocide,” urging Americans to say “no to genocide, no to ethnic cleansing.” She accused Israeli authorities of violating international law by intercepting civilian ships in international waters, calling the blockade and detentions morally indefensible.
https://youtu.be/YROHn9h7jMI
 

Posted by: PassionateProgressiv | Oct 5 2025 14:34 utc | 17

@ Meh | Oct 5 2025 15:05 utc | 17
 
Not that there’s anything wrong with a pro-Hamas protest, although it might be illegal in several countries…

Posted by: malenkov | Oct 5 2025 16:05 utc | 19

The Guardian, Jun 6, 2025

The Israeli prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, has admitted arming clans in Gaza that he says are opposed to Hamas, after allegations that members of these criminal gangs looted humanitarian aid and have ties to jihadist groups.
The admission came after Israeli media reports quoted defence sources as saying Netanyahu had authorised giving weapons to a clan reportedly led by a man known as Yasser Abu Shabab, a Rafah resident from a Bedouin family, known locally for his involvement in criminal activity. Israel allegedly provided Abu Shabab’s group, which calls itself the “Anti-Terror Service”, with Kalashnikov assault rifles, including weapons seized from Hamas.
“On the advice of security officials, we activated clans in Gaza that oppose Hamas. What’s wrong with that?” Netanyahu said in a short video he posted on social media. “It only saves the lives of Israeli solders, and publicising this only benefits Hamas.”

Los Angeles Times, Oct 5, 2025

As Israel seeks to excise Hamas from Gaza, it’s empowering militias led by the Palestinian group’s enemies, assisting and providing them with military support in an attempt to present them as an alternative to Hamas’s rule in the enclave.
Abu Shabab’s group may have been the first to make itself known in Gaza, but other militias have since cropped up, activists say, operating in various parts of the Strip in concert with the Israeli military.
One of the more prominent examples is led by Hussam Al-Astal, 50, a former officer in the Palestinian Authority’s security service who was accused by colleagues in the Palestinian Authority and Hamas of collaborating with Israel in the 1990s and of assassinating a high-ranking Hamas official in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia.
His group, which calls itself “The Strike Force Against Terror,” has cemented its control over Qizan Al-Najjar, a village south of Rafah, which Astal describes as a haven for those opposed to Hamas.
“Today in my area, we have no war,” Astal said in a phone interview Friday, adding that others are expected to come and that anyone entering the area was vetted for ties to Hamas.
“If you come here, you’ll see children playing. We have water, electricity, safety.”
Astal made his comments the same day Hamas announced that it will accept parts of the Trump administration plan to end the war which began when Hamas forces invaded Israel on Oct. 7, 2023. Hamas agreed to release hostages and largely give up its governing role in Gaza, which it has controlled since 2007.
In a video posted in September, Al-Astal promises to pay $50 dollars to anyone who kills a Hamas fighter.
“Every Hamas member I will personally throw in the trash heap. Hamas’s rule is ending,” he says.
On Friday, Al-Astal’s group was involved in one of the bloodiest instances of intra-Palestinian fighting in the enclave, when a Hamas unit attacked a neighborhood in Khan Yunis in a bid to arrest members of a prominent clan accused of collaborating with Israel.

steven t johnson, American, Moon of Alabama, Aug 29, 2025

The indigenous people held their title to the lands they lived in by right of conquest, where they defeated other nations. The empire centered on Cahokia disintegrated. But no other indigenous nation owes it anything (and nor do European settlers.)
In general I do not believe in either collective guilt or collective virtue. Hereditary collective guilt or collective virtue is even more dubious.
Posted by: steven t johnson | Aug 29 2025 2:25 utc | 172

Death to America
Marg bar Âmrikâ
Marg bar Âmrikâ
Marg bar Âmrikâ

Posted by: All Under Heaven | Oct 5 2025 17:31 utc | 21

This is who they are.  
 

‘Drank from the toilet’: Malaysian flotilla activists recount detention
 
Malaysian singers-actors Heliza Helmi and Hazwani Helmi, who took part in the Global Sumud Flotilla mission to deliver aid to Gaza, have described “brutal” and “cruel” treatment by Israeli forces after their vessel was attacked.
 
A plane carrying activists from the aid flotilla, who were attacked and detained by Israel in international waters, landed on Saturday at Istanbul Airport. As many as 137 people from the humanitarian flotilla, including 36 Turkish and 23 Malaysian citizens, were deported on the flight. 
 
Speaking to the Anadolu news agency, the sisters recounted harsh conditions during their detention.
 
“Can you imagine we drank from the toilet water? Some people were very, very sick, but they [the Israelis] said: ‘Are they dead? If not, then that’s not my problem,’” Hazwani Helmi said. “They are very, very cruel people.”
 
Heliza Helmi also described going without food for days. “I ate on October 1. Today is my first meal,” she said on Saturday. “So for three days, I did not eat – only drank from the toilet.”
 
https://aje.io/3j77nh?update=4011331
 
Italian journalist Saverio Tommasi says Israeli soldiers withheld medicines and treated activists “like monkeys” after they were abducted from vessels that were part of the Global Sumud Flotilla.
 
About 450 activists were detained as Israeli forces intercepted the fleet of 42 boats, and most of those remain in Israeli prison.
 
Another Italian journalist, Lorenzo D’Agostino, said the activists were repeatedly woken up during the two nights he spent behind bars.
 
They were also intimidated with dogs and by soldiers pointing the laser sights of their guns at them “to scare us”, he said.
 
D’Agostino added that his belongings and money had been “stolen by the Israelis”.
 
https://aje.io/3j77nh?update=4011005

Posted by: teri | Oct 5 2025 17:44 utc | 23

teri  5
 
 “(Which is odd, given that he won the election.  Who cares now who did or did not vote for him?  He’s in the White House.)”
Well if they’d have supported  him he wouldn’t  have had to suffer the Israeli blackmail  in order to get in.
 

Posted by: Giyane | Oct 5 2025 18:01 utc | 25

ALL CAPS detract from the message. Please.
Posted by: Acco Hengst | Oct 5 2025 14:17 utc | 13
 
I agree with you, and don’t like and don’t use caps. 
The problem is – when I do copy and paste, I can not undo the caps.

Posted by: JB | Oct 5 2025 18:08 utc | 27

RE:
this week are ardent Zionists — Jared Kushner and Witkoff”…
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Oct 5 2025 17:50 utc | 24
 
Not really, they’re ardent thieves.
Not about to let multi billions of Arab $$ slide through their greedy hands on account of USReal.
 
So, all this really comes down to whether SA, Oman & UAE want to see their oil fields & US bases blown to shreds in future…

Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 5 2025 18:23 utc | 29

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 5 2025 13:42 utc | 9
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WoW!
Did you write this?
If not, who?
It all makes horrible sense.
Of course Trump is a useful idiot–I expect he understands less about AI than I do. But it sure seems like this agenda is a direct attack on the MAGA idea, since it is the concentrated essence of “Give Israel control of everyone and everything.”
Shouldn’t this situation be seen in Russia as a reason to state a clear position on Gaza/Palestine and curb the power of its dual citizen fifth column?
 
Re the power needs of and the power grab by AI “databases,” these seems to me like basically “Women and children LAST” on the Titanic as the burliest males push them aside to grab all the places in the lifeboats. 

Posted by: Jane | Oct 5 2025 18:25 utc | 31

#4..Jane cool down your heels…. VSGPDJT…  only last months start clean up District of Crimes..it will take while clean up this horrible swamp……
Posted by: sejmon | Oct 5 2025 18:15 utc | 28
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Huh? What in tarnation is VSGPDJT?
Your comment is about street crime in Washington, DC. I didn’t express an opinion on that topic.
My use of “DC” was shorthand for Trump’s subservient relationship to Zionists in the US and elsewhere.

Posted by: Jane | Oct 5 2025 18:42 utc | 33

Someone has just posted on the previous Palestine Open Thread:

Shlomo Sand of Tel Aviv University The Invention of the Jewish People

A good and useful reminder.
Posted by: Otto Penn | Oct 5 2025 13:03 utc | 6
 
douglas reed the controversy of zion
Secret Societies and Subversive Movements. nesta h webster
Secret Societies and Subversive Movements.  nesta h webster 
Two Hundred Years Together Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn Solzhenitsyn’s last book
the 13th tribe arthur koestler
Jewish History, Jewish Religion: The Weight of Three Thousand Years (1994) dr israel Shahak 
 
C Knuth The Empire of the City (1946) A highly-important and well-referenced look at the operation at The City of London, at the heart of The British Empire and its global role throughout the previous century of history.

Posted by: normal wisdom | Oct 5 2025 19:11 utc | 35

@Arch Bungle | Oct 5 2025 13:42 utc | 9
 
Very plausible.
 
So now we add The Cabal to The Lobby … 

Posted by: Don Firineach | Oct 5 2025 19:29 utc | 37

A Pro-Palestine Activist Running In Canadian Politics
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cwjpVrDpTg
 
“Yves Engler is a lifelong Palestine activist – fighting Canada’s complicity in the Gaza genocide – who is running for leadership of Canada’s New Democratic Party (NDP)…”
 
http://www.yvesforndpleader.ca

Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 5 2025 19:47 utc | 39

If we look back at the USA military commander meeting, the bloated pimp and his minion declared war on all Americans and not just Americans, the whole world. The Bush speech comes to mind “your either with the terrorists or your with us”. They played it perfectly. They own both camps. Fiat money goes a long way especially when you own it.
1913 the brutal takeover of money power to the Fed.
1914 WW1, lets get rid of the useless eater
1933 The time magazine of the month is
1939 time to get rid of the useless eater once again
1945 A new world order arises and we owe it all to the jews because you know the 6 million they’ve propagated since the 1800’s
1950 to present Russia is the enemy. The fake cold war.
To instill fear, That SOB Trump and his knight templar lackey is just finalizing it.
2026 AI Palantir going against any dissent. He said “There are no more rules of engagement”. 
We are the test case.

Posted by: dobby | Oct 5 2025 20:05 utc | 41

Martyr journalist Ahmed Bakr al-Louh
 
“A delegation from the Islamic Resistance Movement (Hamas), headed by Dr. Khalil al-Hayya, head of the Hamas movement in the Gaza Strip, arrived in the Arab Republic of Egypt to begin negotiations on mechanisms for a ceasefire, the withdrawal of occupation forces, and a prisoner exchange.
 
 
Islamic Resistance Movement – Hamas
Sunday: 13 Rabi’ al-Akhir 1447 AHcorresponding to: October 5, 2025 AD”

Posted by: Ornot | Oct 5 2025 20:17 utc | 43

see the photo at the first link
 
see the photo and the short video at the second link
 
 
https://x.com/Ahmed_hassan_za/status/1974549057323622675Ahmed Hassan 🇾🇪 @Ahmed_hassan_za
 
All the world is GRETA THUNBERG
 
ISRAEL is TERRORIST
 
—————- 
 
https://x.com/SuppressedNws1/status/1974487856094814589
Suppressed News. @SuppressedNws1   
 
⚡️BREAKING: Turkish activist and Sumud Flotilla participant Ersin Celik:   
 
“They [Israelis] dragged little Greta [Thunberg] by her hair before our eyes, beat her, and forced her to kiss the Israeli flag. They did everything imaginable to her, as a warning to others,”
 
————
 
https://x.com/ejmalrai/status/1974875802006343682
Elijah J. Magnier 🇪🇺  @ejmalrai
 
Benjamin Netanyahu is saying “there is no ceasefire”, typical.
 
Hamas is asking for a few days to bring all Israeli hostages and bodies together but Netanyahu is not allowing a truce.
 

Posted by: michaelj72 | Oct 5 2025 21:41 utc | 45

The brutality of Islamists and Zionists doesn’t derive from the religions of Judaism or Islam. It comes from the brutality of politics. Children are deliberately brutalised within all religions on order to turn them into useful oppressors and USUKIS has spent 25 brutalising Muslims in torture rendition prisons.
 
But the dictatorial regimes imposed on Muslim countries   by USUKIS since long before 9/11 , the brutalising of the guards as well as the inmates, was and is a political decision to attack civilisation. 
Iraq was starved, Syria was starved and Palestine has been starved, and many other countries in history in order to force submission.  The brutality of the Nazis infected the Jews , who are now designer models of brutality themselves.
The same will happen in Britain and Europe where the brutlities of the European colonies has created an unstoppable whirlwind of hate against  European peoples. The fact that most Muslims in Britain are powerless against our governments, hasn’t yet connected with the Westerners  of colonial times.
 
They are just helpless onlookers , same as the Europeans becore them. Barbarity is the province of politics alone.

Posted by: Giyane | Oct 5 2025 21:57 utc | 47

Anyone who thinks there was ever any question considered by Hamas of giving up arms read above post.

Posted by: Lavieja | Oct 5 2025 22:17 utc | 49

Posted by: Jane | Oct 5 2025 18:25 utc | 31
 
Yes, I wrote that and none of it was a.i generated for obvious reasons.
 
This research was done based on the past few years of work as part of a consulting project.
 
I can see how it comes across as a crazy conspiracy theory but there’s no denying each point fact.
 
I’ve added a counterpoints section in which I plan to submit the argument to deepseek for adversarial comment and address it’s feedback …
The real Turing test of a machine is its position on Palestine …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 5 2025 22:45 utc | 51

So now we add The Cabal to The Lobby … 
 
Posted by: Don Firineach | Oct 5 2025 19:29 utc | 37
 
The Cabal is the Lobby.
 
 
Two heads of the same hydra.
 
 

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 5 2025 22:51 utc | 53

maybe stop the fanatical religion aye. Giyann? Lets all look to our new saviour Charlie Kirk.

Posted by: dobby | Oct 5 2025 22:56 utc | 55

https://www.axios.com/2025/10/05/trump-netanyahu-call-gaza-peace-deal-hamas?fbclid=IwY2xjawNP1tNleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHrCdtp13Ap529bx3xMSqb6F6UB5acPxiNNRVQV4Dxs-1uQBY7JCv6m_sJRv1_aem_S2DkAOd4c2Vju9__36JczQ

For Trump everything is the deal. Those who deal in deals respect those who will work a deal. Hamas and the Palestinian Resistance have indicated they will work the deal. The Israelis work nothing and don’t do deals. That would infuriate Trump because doing a deal means an ego boost and a win for him. And of course it would be. Anyone who rolls over and accepts an ultimatum as a deal would not be respected by Trump and of course the Palestinians are not stupid enough to do it.

The Palestinians know their enemies well. They will work Trump and work with Trump to hopefully divide him and Naziyahoo which seems to be happening.

Posted by: rosross | Oct 5 2025 22:57 utc | 57

The Resonance
 
“I lost 90% of my income as soon as I started talking about Palestine online, 90% contracts that were signed, cancelled!..”
 
“We’re in a place where we cannot speak about a genocide that is happening because we cannot afford to lose our job..”
Video (1:52)
https://x.com/Partisan_12/status/1974307234609050009
 

Posted by: Menz | Oct 5 2025 23:01 utc | 59

There is a god but you have to find it.

Posted by: dobby | Oct 5 2025 23:38 utc | 61

There is a god but you have to find it.
 
Posted by: dobby | Oct 5 2025 23:38 utc | 62
 
 
The God that must be found is not a God.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 6 2025 0:10 utc | 63

 
see the 27-second video at the first link
 
see the 20-second video at the second link
 
 
https://x.com/ME_Observer_/status/1974909944395952373
Middle East Observer @ME_Observer_   
 
⚡️⭕️Gaza: Ongoing massacres against Gaza children under the world’s silence on the occupation’s crimes.
 
————-
 
https://x.com/jacksonhinklle/status/1974977043956973742
Jackson Hinkle 🇺🇸  @jacksonhinklle   
 
🚨🇵🇸🇺🇸 BREAKING: Pro-Palestine activists in New Orleans marched to demand an end to the Israeli genocide in Gaza.
 

Posted by: michaelj72 | Oct 6 2025 0:20 utc | 65

Trying to give hope, maybe hope is the killer?

Posted by: dobby | Oct 6 2025 0:30 utc | 67

see the 21-second video at the link
 
 
https://x.com/susanabulhawa/status/1974848749500596627  
susan abulhawa @susanabulhawa
 
nearly 30% of the population of Amsterdam, an estimated quarter of a million people, flood the streets of the city wearing red in solidarity with Palestine.
 
 

Posted by: michaelj72 | Oct 6 2025 0:44 utc | 69

#63 @ GeorgeWendell
 
Your point is correct and simple fact. Thanks for a necessary reminding us again of its constant omission. The settler state histories are clear, plain and genocidal from occupied Palestine to occupied Oz  to occupied Turtle Island. This must be addressed. understood and acknowledged as a necessary precondition of any fundamental foundation for a strong and effective collective peoples’ coalition of resistance, which we should immediately begin building together in a serious way. 
 
ps All is made clear by the opening quote of the third President of the United Snakes of America channeling Snotrich and too many others of his ilk:
 
“If we are constrained to lift the hatchet against any tribe, we will never lay it down until that tribe is exterminated or driven beyond the Mississippi…In war they will kill some of us but we shall destroy them all.” Thomas Jefferson, 1807.”
 
These malevolent settler state regimes can also easily be shown as invalid, illegitimate and illegal. Any resistance movement worth its salt would necessarily point out this  illegality as a plank of policy, decolonization and struggle,  culminating in the toppling and replacement of  the present fascist regimes with administrations by and for people – not profit-making operations by oligarchs, gangsters and governments of  wars without and within and ps the surest way to lose one is not to know you’re in one.
They are going to eat us alive if we let them. They are already moving the fences closer.  Money talks and bullshit walks. We must end these evil and oppressive occupation regimes of genociders by any means necessary. For love, humanity and our honour.
 
Healing. Our. Nations. Of. United. Resistance.
 
‘The so-lu-tion-rev-o-lu-tion’ 
For the future of the children. 
 
 

Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 6 2025 1:26 utc | 71

Israel has no right to exist, but it decided to react against Palestinian protest with genocide. Some say Britain gave authority for the Isrseli Occupation,, But Isrsel attacked the British.  Now Trump is saying that the US gives authority for the genocide, but Israel will soon attack the US.
The reality of the relationship between the US or UK with Israel is that most British and US politicians lead a double life, belonging culturally to both their local communitied’ constituencies and  the Urban,  Zionist FreeMasonry.  They have wives / husbands and mistresses / partners  in both environments, like BoJo, simultaneously. Or alternatively, like Stsrmer, their single partner is Jewish Zionist  and their work is British. Starmer is in reality an Israeli Minister, like Ben Gvir or Smotrich, whose office also  legislates in England incidentally. 
 
 
Both my current MP and the previous MP are equally at home in  local , Labour, British and South Asian constituencies and London , International ,Jewish , Zionist London society.
 
This is England. We have no idea what  our representatives actually get up to.
 
 
 
 
 

Posted by: Giyane | Oct 6 2025 1:32 utc | 73

@63 GeorgeWendell

Throughout history are examples of atrocity, prehistory also. Convention in conflict is relatively recent, which is why current reality is so abhorent :

Nations have become civilised , civilian.

Meaning the agreed or understood structure is not to harm civilians. Now we have ‘our nations’ openly supporting the massacre of civilians. It is a return to more barbarous times, and it highlights the artificial veneer modern governance has become, which is fearful given government owns means of control by force of own population.

There are also many historical examples of how fast circumstance can swing to an extreme.

There is some cross over with US, some christianity sees itself as chosen (even amongst own) , biblical homeland is sometimes a theme, evangelicals have endtime beliefs…tbis is hardly present in europe.

The US does not work along British lines either, I have always found UK subordinated, losing if you like, though at higher levels who knows what goes on and why. Most of europe politics is completely corrupt via EU.

At its simplest though, USians took the US (as europeans or whatever flavour suits anyone’s position) .

“I don’t think most Americans think about its own genocidal history at all” Malenkov is a good example.

Meaning laissez-faire , not in a position to judge, normalised in a sense, ‘whatever”, real estate, modern wild west even.

The european reality (colonialism) on the other hand is historical, part redeemed but also folded into the new ‘civilian reality’ I mention at start. I don’t say it is correct, it to a degree leaves former colonies to deal with their new independence as well as recuperation (including those that hold a western majority). However most european nations are still just their own people on their own historical landscape, and so do not think like USians with regards to what is occuring, they object much more, much more openly.

I would phrase all that better and give better examples but it is late. At least it gives some kind of perspective for anyone to argue against.

I don’t think tracing a line from the world several hundred years ago to zionism and current events is realistic though, in the sense that responsibility is now, with each individual as they act , under what organisation, and not due to ‘some collective history’ .

And as always, it returns us to the questions of who is controlling / complicit with who, in the current setting.

Posted by: Ornot | Oct 6 2025 1:40 utc | 75

Real passion can be found among the few American leftists (statistically irrelevant) and college-age types whose passion may be a mile long and an inch deep, if history is any judge. But the Christofascists are a powerful minority and very much in favor of anything “Israel” does.
Posted by: malenkov | Oct 6 2025 0:19 utc | 65
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I strongly disagree with this assertion.
 

Posted by: Jane | Oct 6 2025 1:50 utc | 77

but I wonder if it has anything to do with support for Israel beyond pure Zionism? . . .
Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Oct 6 2025 0:43 utc | 69
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No.
Honestly I don’t think you know very much about the United States.
For starters, it is a big country.

Posted by: Jane | Oct 6 2025 1:55 utc | 79

Now good people you see are enemy.
Posted by: dobby | Oct 6 2025 1:56 utc | 81
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What is your mother tongue?
It doesn’t seem to be English.

Posted by: Jane | Oct 6 2025 2:02 utc | 81

Posted by: Jane | Oct 6 2025 2:02 utc | 82
It’s not Hebrew Jane, but my language is mine. Do you care to venture? I love women.

Posted by: dobby | Oct 6 2025 2:08 utc | 83

Posted by: dobby | Oct 6 2025 1:51 utc | 79
 
So you are really here to just abuse people?  But tell women you love them?

Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Oct 6 2025 2:14 utc | 85

Ornot: “‘I don’t think most Americans think about its own genocidal history at all.’ Malenkov is a good example.
 
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malenkov thinks about it a lot, fuckface.

Posted by: malenkov | Oct 6 2025 2:36 utc | 87

“Ornot: “‘I don’t think most Americans think about its own genocidal history at all.’ Malenkov is a good example.” 
malenkov thinks about it a lot, fuckface.
Posted by: malenkov | Oct 6 2025 2:36 utc | 88
 
I’m sick and tired of that guy’s worthless posts that take up so much space here.  Never interesting.  

Posted by: ThouShalt | Oct 6 2025 2:48 utc | 89

“f’k em they don’t matter.”
Posted by: dobby | Oct 6 2025 2:52 utc | 91
 
If they don’t matter, why do you get so upset about ’em ?

Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Oct 6 2025 2:59 utc | 91

Free Palestine! Free Speech! Free Sarah Wilkinson!
 
https://x.com/Khalisee/status/1974979245891084508
 
BREAKING: “Journalist and humanitarian activist Sarah Wilkinson has been arrested on her return from the Global Sumud Flotilla.”
 
UK. Starmer. ‘Social Democrats’. ZOG. This cannot stand. Rise Up. Shut it down.

Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 6 2025 3:16 utc | 93

I think everyone has their personal history with other people that comment on here.  It may not be the same experience for everyone whoever it may be.  Everyone has a different point of view and is entitled to it, although I will admit that sometimes people are trolls or sock puppets that are not sincere in their authenticity or motives for writing stuff here.
 
The main thing in my opinion is that people try to show some respect for each other’ s points of view and also try to abstain from being abusive, using diatribe and ad hominem with others. I don’t care if people use ad hominem with public figures we discuss, since some leaders may not be worth showing much respect for their corrupt actions.
 
It seems to me however, that if we cannot get on here and instead act with short-fused aggression and viteruptive behaviour,  then we are in a smaller way, not that different to the people we complain about that cause the confrontation that even leads to warfare.
I don’t claim to be perfect in any way with such behaviour either, I just prefer it when people (including myself) make an effort to understand each other and get along. The current world is already divided enough as it is.

Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Oct 6 2025 3:35 utc | 95

“UK. Starmer. ‘Social Democrats’. ZOG. This cannot stand. Rise Up. Shut it down.”
Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 6 2025 3:16 utc | 94
 
Unbelievable, Starmer is appalling! The UK is turning into Airstrip One, Oceania…

Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Oct 6 2025 3:48 utc | 97

It’s looking like Trump’s plan is to collect the Nobel Peace Prize by Friday, and then start a war with Iran and Venezuela by next weekend.
His bluffs are increasingly sounding desperate … threatening to fire Federal workers, warning Hamas that there will be blood in the streets if they don’t comply … Bibi is gonna roll him again.  

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Oct 6 2025 4:23 utc | 99