Good grief.  In correcting a spelling mistake, somehow three others show up.  WTF did I do?  Anyway, here is what I meant to say above:
 
This would be funny, except it’s not.  I posted in my comment @ 179 that Trump was using the shut-down to start new wars in various places, etc. as it was convenient that Congress is not in DC but military activities can still continue as normal.  A couple of hours after posting that, I see that Trump told the Pentagon that the US is now in armed conflict with drug cartels everywhere in the Caribbean and the military is to “conduct operations against them pursuant to the law of armed conflict.” [Which law Hegseth declares irrelevant to the US military.] Trump did not say which countries we are going to bomb, did not name the specific “cartels”, did not explain how drug dealers (assuming these aren’t all imaginary entities) can be described as “enemy combatants”, and did not give any legal justification for the new war-footing orders. Article here:https://news.yahoo.com/articles/trump-declares-drug-cartels-caribbean-171918577.html
 

Posted by: teri | Oct 2 2025 22:58 utc | 204

RE: Posted by: teri | Oct 2 2025 22:58 utc | 204
You give Trump too much credit. He doesn’t need a shut down to bomb countries. Even President since WW1 does so at will and the time is decided by the MICMAT,  no one else. 
When their in position to carry out the mission, they’ll implement the next bombing campaign.
Trump is just the bobble head front guy that gets to go on camera about it. All shut down dies for him and his ilk, is allow them to fire a bunch of federal workers and continue to finish off any resemblance of a middle class.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 2 2025 23:07 utc | 206

Colombia
@President Gustavo Petro announced on X that his government was expelling Israeli diplomats and cancelling Colombia’s free trade agreement in light of Israel’s actions.”
 
 

Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 2 2025 23:23 utc | 208

unique 113
 
Putting Putin’s polite words into Caps, is to totally misrepresent his meaning.
 
Netanyahu should be in a straitjacket, but he isn’t,  so consoling the psychopath that you care about his delirium , is the next    best thing.  All the Zionists have been encouraging eachother to madness, inciting eachother to escalate genocide, Trump, Starmer, Everyone.
 
It’s an old fashioned idea, but reaching out to the scared child inside every madman is as good a plan as any. 
Trump shakes Jewlani and Erdogan ‘s hands to flatter these madmen’s egos.
It absolutely won’t stop them being madmen,  but maybe it can slow their madness down , long enough to handcuff them and get a straitjacket on them.
Netanyahu’s paranoia about Iran’s peaceful use of nuclear energy needs to be called out. Putin is extraordinarily  professional in mantaining trust with the psycho, long enough to get him to listen,  to try to talk him out of  this collective insanity of Jews being Chosen .
 
 

Posted by: Giyane | Oct 2 2025 23:33 utc | 210

@ Arch Bungle | Oct 3 2025 0:42 utc | 213
Before the Borg showed up in Star Trek TNG: “Q Who?”/ season 3, Episode 16, there was an episode from season 1, episode 25: “Conspiracy”. Do you remember it?

Posted by: maja | Oct 3 2025 1:43 utc | 212

 
 
https://x.com/pmofa/status/1973649805546070309   
State of Palestine – MFA 🇵🇸🇵🇸   @pmofa   
 
The State of Palestine condemns Israel’s attack and aggression against the Global Sumud Flotilla, in violation of international law and norms, including Convention on the Law of the Sea, other humanitarian principles, and the human rights of the participants on board.   
 
The State of Palestine is gravely concerned about the safety of the over 470 participants and holds Israel responsible for their security and wellbeing of as they deliver humanitarian aid to a besieged, starved, and bombed population under genocide.   
‘
The State of Palestine recalls that the Global Sumud Flotilla is a peaceful and civilian led initiative aimed at breaking Israel’s inhumane and illegal blockade of the Gaza Strip and put an end to Israel’s starvation policy and genocide, in accordance with international law.   
 
The State of Palestine reiterates that Israel, whose occupation of Palestine was declared illegal by the International Court of Justice, has no authority nor sovereignty over Palestine’s territorial waters, as it extends from the Gaza Strip, and over international waters.   
 
The Global Sumud Flotilla has the right of free passage in international waters, and Israel must not interfere with its freedom of navigation, long recognised under international law. The State of Palestine also reaffirm that the Global Sumud Flotilla equally is permitted to navigate Palestine’s territorial waters to deliver humanitarian aid.   
 
We commend the courageous participants and their determination to break Israel’s siege and end its genocide and call on the international community to extend them protection.
 
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https://x.com/Megatron_ron/status/1973843615094092222
Megatron  @Megatron_ron   
 
JUST IN:  🇷🇺🇵🇸🇮🇱 Vladimir Putin says ‘Gaza has been turned into the largest children’s CEMETERY in the world’ avoiding naming those responsible for it
 
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https://t.me/Middle_East_Spectator/24196
Middle East Spectator — MES   
 
— 🇸🇾/🇮🇱 NEW: Israeli soldiers are not only detaining and kidnapping Syrian civilians in the areas they occupy; they also detain the Syrian Internal Security Forces and confiscate their gear, vehicles, and even license plates.
 

Posted by: michaelj72 | Oct 3 2025 3:18 utc | 214

RE: Posted by: michaelj72 | Oct 3 2025 3:18 utc | 216
Regarding Syria.
 
This for me isn’t like the Gaza Genocide.
 
It’s more like the West Bank. An atrocity in conjunction with collaboration. Jewlani hardly cares.
 

Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 3 2025 3:29 utc | 216

Global protests… finally hitting MSN

Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 3 2025 3:41 utc | 218

from Xinhuanet

UNITED NATIONS, Oct. 2 (Xinhua) — China expresses its deep disappointment and regret over Washington’s earlier veto of a UN Security Council draft resolution aiming to alleviate Gaza’s humanitarian crisis, said Fu Cong, China’s permanent representative to the United Nations, on Wednesday.
In remarks on the use of veto at the UN General Assembly debate, he said the international community has long issued an overwhelming call for a ceasefire and cessation of hostilities in the Gaza Strip, where fighting has resulted in appalling civilian casualties and a humanitarian catastrophe, undermining the bottom line of human conscience and international rule of law.
“Time and again, the Security Council has sought to take actions, only to be forcefully blocked by the United States again and again,” the envoy said while referring to Washington’s use of veto of the draft resolution on September 18 that would have demanded Israel immediately lift all restrictions on humanitarian access and delivery in Gaza.
“If it were not for the United States’ repeated abuse of the veto, the Security Council’s response to the Gaza crisis would not have been so inadequate. If it were not for the United States’ shielding of Israel, Council resolutions and international law would not have been so flagrantly violated,” Fu said.
The ambassador reiterated that the weaponization of humanitarian aid is unacceptable, the militarization of aid distribution mechanism is unacceptable, and attacks on aid-seeking civilians and humanitarian workers are unacceptable. “China urges Israel to immediately cease all military operations in Gaza and immediately halt its dangerous plan to take over the Gaza City.”
He also stressed that the two-State solution remains the only viable path to resolving the Palestinian question, and called on the international community to pool greater efforts and take concrete and irreversible actions to implement the solution, while firmly rejecting any unilateral actions that erode its foundation.
China stands ready to work with the international community to make unremitting efforts to put an end to the hostilities in Gaza, and ultimately achieve a comprehensive, just, and lasting settlement of the Palestinian question, he said.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 3 2025 5:14 utc | 220

Valdai 2025: Putin on Palestine:
In response to a question from Prof Mohammad Marandi @ 132:00
https://www.rt.com/russia/625840-watch-in-full-putin-valdai/
 
 

Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 3 2025 5:47 utc | 222

I have a feeling the Manchester synagogue attack yesterday was a false flag, intended to ramp up sympathy for Israel in preparation for the new attack on Iran. It is of course historically 100% proven that Israel has used this tactic of bombing their own community in the past (see Avi Shlaim on Baghdad 1950). There has been a tsunami of orchestrated publicity on British national media this morning. The Israeli problem has been that approval of Israel in the West has been dropping like a stone over Gaza, and Israel is getting really desperate. A new trick is needed after the exploding pagers. Israel is in existential danger, the deaths of a couple of security guys outside a synagogue doesn’t mater very much. and the attacker is conveniently dead.

Posted by: Laguerre | Oct 3 2025 7:49 utc | 224

226
the era of spiel berged schindlers list is over
no more emotion for that story the story that story.
quote the page numbers from churchill diaries where that murderous heap talks of the final solution?
they meaning the khazhar plato cave projectionists said never again never again yet every day they slaughter and offer blood of the innocent to baal moshiec moloch.
 
the truth is out 
did you 
do you realize it’s just a story
those shadows on the wall just a satanic film show
no more emotion no more tears for the made up tales from long ago.
everything is a made up tale not even a good story.
 
it is indeed a counterfeit fake nation is ra heil hell
full of lunatics the damned 
lost souls 
 

Posted by: normal wisdom | Oct 3 2025 9:02 utc | 226

Radio news – looks like there going to be a clamp down on demo’s against the genocide in Britain – as Jews fear for their lives – after the false flag event in Manchester yesterday – not only will there be a clamp down on demos against the genocide, I’d imagine after Herr Sturmer’s (Starmer) emergency Cobra meeting yesterday – the police will be far more stricter and harsher against those who speak out against the genocide.
 
This is the second false flag event in Manchester, after the Manchester Arena Bombing – lets not forget people die in false flag events.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Oct 3 2025 9:31 utc | 228

Normal Wisdom (232).
 
What if I told you – that  there are around 200 US military personnel in Britain – and no one knows where they are, or what they are up to – even MPs don’t know of there whereabouts. 

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Oct 3 2025 11:23 utc | 230

From TASS report:
According to Zakharova, arguments about the collapse of the two-state approach to Palestine do not reflect Russia’s principled stance “grounded in international law, supported by most of the world.” “Therefore, who voices it, how they voice it, and when – I believe this is secondary. The essential thing is certain principles. Not for the sake of principles, but for the coexistence of nations, for a peaceful life, and for the future,” the spokeswoman stressed.
I’m going to take a closer look at this Russia FMinistry statement (I posted yesterday up the thread), because it bothers me greatly as a matter of logic, politics and morals.

• It is in abstract desirable and praiseworthy to base one’s policies and relations on the principle of “coexistence of nations, for a peaceful life, and for the future”. Most human beings want exactly that.
• Russia has always supported the “two state solution”, from when the USSR recognized Israel along with the US the moment Israel proclaimed itself.No Palestinian state existed then, and it doesn’t now. The USSR, and later Russia, recognizes Israel, established on stolen land that always has belonged to the Palestinians, a historical FACT, and considers that proper and lawful. It also considers it proper and lawful that, according to the UN partition plan, the Palestinians establish their state on a much smaller part of Palestine than Israel, and in such a territorial configuration that makes a state virtually impossible because its small separate parts (bantustans) are to be surrounded by territory of Israel. That is why the odious Netanyahu refers to a Palestinian state “in the heart of Israel”, which , in his words, is never going to happen. Russia has a consistent position that “the two state solution”, is “the only”, solution to the 100 years old Palestine Question. Two states living side by side in peace and security. That is a principle, according to Zakharova, not for the sake of principle but for real life.
•  Russia has a consistent position that “the two state solution”, is “the only”, solution to the 100 years old Palestine Question. Two states living side by side in peace and security. That is a principle, according to Zakharova, not for the sake of principle but for real life “coexistence of nations, for a peaceful life, and for the future”. This principle has never been achieved in real life in Palestine, despite Russia’s consistent advocacy of this principle not for the sake of principle. The reality has been from day one of the recognition of Israel by US and USSR, dispossession of the Palestinians, mass murder and mass expulsion of the Palestinians from their homeland, almost 80 years of refugee life in refugee camps, discrimination, oppression, humiliation, apartheid – in short total degradation as human beings, as a people, and NO Palestinian state to live in peace and harmony with a peaceful and cooperative Israel.  The ideal Russia clings to, despite reality. Israel’s policies and actions have been dishonest, aggressive and illegal,  terrorizing and destabilizing the entire region ever since it was planted there. That is a historic FACT.
• Russia has not done anything of any consequence to enable the establishment of a Palestinian state, even the one envisioned by the UN documents it swears by. Not even that kind of a creature that the UN would be prepared to call a state, despite elementary reason, let alone fairness, justice and principle. It was however in agreement with the US and Western plans to create something that would not even be a semblance of a Palestinian state being hatched by the so called Quartet, which Quartet was just another form of wasting time and prolonging the expansion of Israel.
•  The Palestinian Resistance to colonial subjugation and dispossession, legitimate, justified, and an inalienable right of colonised peoples, dealt a severe blow to Israel two years ago as a reaction to Israel’s actions, policies and plans. Russia considers  that  to be “terrorism”, the same as US/israel and the West.
•  Genocide of the Palestinians ensued and is still going on, two years later ! Gaza is an open mass grave ! US/Israel have explicitly stated, and shown in deeds, that there is to be no Palestinian state.  A “plan” has been introduced which, if implemented, would mean the final and total dispossession of the Palestinian people and the de facto consolidation of Israel on the entire territory of historic Palestine. Russia supports this “plan”, as stated by Putin himself,  with the hope, or expectation or so, that it will lead to a “two state solution”. Where, may I ask, is the logic in that? And who, and how, is going to bring about  a “two state solution”. He doesn’t say. No one does.
•  Based on just these few points among many more,  is Russia’s position on the “two state solution” not purely principle for principle’s sake? Does the reality not have ANY effect on this principle? The history of Palestine and Israel vs the Palestinians is not comparable to wars between nations-states which later on mend relations and live in peace side by side.  Take, for example, Iran and Iraq, or Germany and France. There is no resemblance between inter-state wars and colonial domination, repression and dispossession. The state of Palestine does not exist because US/Israel, made sure it does not, and Russia, China and all the rest of them stood by the whole bloody time, and are for two years calling for “someone” to stop the total genocidal destruction of the Palestinian people who do not have an army, but a resistance formation fighting and holding  off  as best they can the most modern murder weapons and systems and the most ruthless murdering  criminals in modern history. How does that reality square with the principles Russia says are not just for the sake of principle?
• – It simply is not true that the “two state solution” is the “only” solution. There are other solutions, one being a democratic Palestinian state on the territory of Palestine, from the river to the sea. In that state all Palestinians, Muslims, Christians and Jews, would live together in peace and harmony, as much as any society does so. Why does Russia never take that into consideration as a solution? Instead, it states – anything but two states is “unacceptable”.

Posted by: JB | Oct 3 2025 11:34 utc | 232

They die every day:
 

Israeli media publishes footage of the killing of a Zionist soldier in Gaza during a live broadcast by an anti-tank missile

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 3 2025 12:28 utc | 234

No loyalty, even to their own kind:

🇮🇷🇮🇱⚡ A hotel employee in the Dead Sea was arrested on charges of spying for Iran.
 
A 23-year-old Israeli citizen who worked at a hotel in the Dead Sea was arrested today on charges of spying for Iran. In a joint statement by Shabak and the police, it was announced that this citizen was in contact with Iranian intelligence agents and collected information and images related to the hotel where he worked and its surroundings.
 
Also, serious charges were brought today against two reserve soldiers named Mavor Kringle and Tal Amram, both residents of Holon, who were arrested midweek. They were accused of committing crimes against national security during the war.
 
The charges against Mavor Kringle include aiding the enemy during wartime, providing information to the enemy with intent to harm national security, and similar offenses. Tal Amram is also accused of contact with a foreign agent.
 
The prosecution statement said that since mid-2024, Kringle monitored and documented dozens of different targets across the country designated by Iranian agents. These targets included security and strategic centers, ports, stores, shopping centers, private homes, public buildings, municipalities, and government and judicial institutions. He provided information and locations of these targets based on addresses or specific points received from agents.
 
Additionally, Kringle informed one of the Iranian agents about his reserve military service and even provided addresses of various Israeli army bases where he served. Under the foreign agent’s instructions, Kringle documented different base areas and even recorded the Shabak headquarters at their request.
 
According to the prosecution, the reserve soldier was also tasked by Iranian agents to assassinate his commander in the army in exchange for one hundred thousand shekels and to meet with Iranian agents in Turkey and Azerbaijan.
 

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 3 2025 13:32 utc | 236

“Time and again, the Security Council has sought to take actions, only to be forcefully blocked by the United States again and again…”

Yet you continue to be a party to this.

The current arrangement must be rather advantageous to you. If not, then you require a recovery program or something because you keep repeating the same mistakes by expecting something different from this arrangement within which you are thoroughly – and rather comfortably – ensconced.

“If it were not for the United States’ repeated abuse of the veto, the Security Council’s response to the Gaza crisis would not have been so inadequate. If it were not for the United States’ shielding of Israel, Council resolutions and international law would not have been so flagrantly violated…”

We know. We’ve known for years. Are you just waking up to this fact?

More importantly, what do you propose to do about this situation?

We will no longer waste our precious time listening to the same warmed-over platitudes from Chinese and Russian spokespeople who represent entities that themselves obviously benefit enormously from this miserable arrangement.

You know what China: Leave the UN. Start something different and better. You have the power.

Otherwise, just shut up already.

Blaming ‘whitey’ and ‘the west’ may feel good but doesn’t accomplish much of anything.

Posted by: Dan Kelly | Oct 3 2025 13:46 utc | 238

Note – All Israeli‘s on their national sports teams are IDF fighters. 

Posted by: Exile | Oct 3 2025 14:07 utc | 240

Trump Calls on Palestinians to Leave Area in Gaza

“I call on Palestinians to immediately leave the area that could become a future place of death for safer areas in Gaza. An agreement with Hamas must be reached by 6 p.m. Sunday Washington, DC time.
“If no final opportunity agreement on Gaza is reached, unprecedented hell will be unleashed on Hamas. A Gaza deal will save the lives of all remaining Hamas fighters.
“For Hamas, this is a last chance. Peace will come to the Middle East one way or another. All the great, strong, and very rich states in the Middle East have agreed to peace in the region.”
https://www.palestinechronicle.com/live-blog

Posted by: JB | Oct 3 2025 15:07 utc | 242

RE:  “No loyalty, even to their own kind:”
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 3 2025 13:32 utc | 240
 
Akin to the Hitler days…”think like us racist, supremest, entitled Zio’s, joined at the hip with the Germans/UK and Pope or die.”
 
 

Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 3 2025 15:19 utc | 244

@gazanewsnow2021
 
Trump’s full tweet  “Hamas has been a brutal and violent menace for many years in the Middle East! They have killed (and made life unbearable) – culminating in the October 7th massacre in Israel, when children, women, the elderly, and many young men and women, who were preparing to celebrate their future lives together, were murdered. As punishment for the October 7th assault on civilization, over 25,000 Hamas “soldiers” have been killed so far. The rest are surrounded and militarily surrounded, waiting for me to give the signal – “GO” – to quickly end their lives.
As for those who remain, we know where and who you are, and you will be hunted down and killed. I am demanding that all innocent Palestinians leave this area immediately, given the likelihood of certain death, and go to safer areas in Gaza. All will be well taken care of by those willing to help. Fortunately for Hamas, they will be given one last chance! The great, powerful, and wealthy nations of the Middle East and surrounding regions, along with the United States of America, I have agreed with Israel to sign a peace agreement after 3,000 years in the Middle East. This agreement also spares the lives of all remaining Hamas fighters! The details of the document are known to the world, and it is an excellent deal for everyone! We will have peace in the Middle East, one way or another. The violence and bloodshed will stop
 
Release the hostages—all of them, including the bodies of the dead, now! An agreement must be reached with Hamas by Sunday night at 6:00 PM Washington, D.C. time. All countries have agreed! If this last-chance agreement is not reached, an unprecedented hell will rage against Hamas, the likes of which no one has ever seen. There will be peace in the Middle East, one way or another. Thank you for your attention to this matter!  President Donald J. Trump

Posted by: JB | Oct 3 2025 15:29 utc | 246

Recommend video:
 
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HlHctzruvnM
“The Global Uprising Against Israel And How History Teaches Us That Israel Is Doomed”
 
If anyone has 50 mins or so to hear out video, think worth examining. I, myself am still tossing around theory, but it’s interesting.
 
Presented by a young, presumably “Christian” who doesn’t have a Zionism understanding yet… as I stated… youth… and I don’t think is excited drama is necessary (although what do I know, I’ve never opened a YouTube channel)…
 
Anyways, some of his main points:
 
1) The recent Flotilla demonstrations, the global outrage, he identifies as ax “Global Intifada”
 
2) States that what’s really going on with citizens in many nations is really the sense of loss of Sovereignty… he identifies “Israel” as I would classify as global Zionism, but understand his gist.
 
3) Loosely describes WW2, which admittedly, I skipped some, but rallies into the “bait & trap”
 
4) The “bait of course is “power”…”power, power and more power”… till it becomes the trap that destroys them.
 
5) He does accurately account for the 1st Roman temple destruction at the end of video if anyone sticks around for it.
In any case, a different global view perspective,.
I know Laith has many times himself tried to get the West to understand that this is bigger than “Gaza”…

Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 3 2025 15:43 utc | 248

very interesting from 🔹@enemywatch
Att: Notice that Trump requested from  Erdogan to take in uprooted Palestinians and “invest in Trumps occupied Palestine” 
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Turkish journalist Hüseyin Günay, working for NTV in Washington, was fired after comments he made about the Erdoğan-Trump meeting were secretly recorded. Speaking outside the White House garden while waiting for the press conference of U.S. Trump and Netanyahu, Günay revealed that Erdoğan gained nothing from the meeting. He discussed contentious issues including the F-35 fighter jets, CAATSA sanctions, and the conditions imposed by the U.S. on Turkey. According to Günay, the Americans demanded that:1. If the Palestinians are uprooted – Turkey will take them in.2. Stop buying gas from Russia.3. Reduce trade with China.4. Invest in Trump’s occupied Palestine.Günay emphasized that Turkey could not comply with any of these demands.He further exposed internal rifts within the AKP party, revealing a power struggle between Hakan Fidan, Bilal Erdoğan (son of Erdoğan), and Berat Albayrak (son-in-law of Erdoğan) over who will control the party after Erdoğan. He also claimed that Hakan Fidan deliberately leaked information about the jet engine issue as part of this internal maneuvering.Günay criticized Trump for allegedly humiliating Erdoğan publicly and for mentioning the “rigged elections” issue, remarking that in the U.S., nothing comes for free and anyone wasting money “gets good treatment from Trump.”The leak not only exposes sensitive diplomatic discussions and American demands on Turkey but also reveals deep internal political tensions within the ruling party, highlighting how Turkey’s leadership navigates international pressure while grappling with succession conflicts.

Posted by: JB | Oct 3 2025 16:00 utc | 250

@SZade15″In the 1950s, hundreds of thousands of Jews lived in Iraq. Mossad carried out bombings in Jewish neighborhoods and blamed local Arabs, creating fear to force migration to Israel.
Jewish historian Prof. Avi Shlaim has documented this.”
https://x.com/szade15/status/1973896931891171749

Posted by: GreatLakesObserver | Oct 3 2025 16:01 utc | 252

JB 250
 
Trump thinks his role in Palestine is to replay fictional dramas about Oct 7  created by Israel propagandists and to ignore the reality which we  an all see on our screens.
 
Is this Trump state of denial some sort of legal  defence that he knew nothing? In which case the Lawyers will trash his perjuries in seconds. Or is it a cry for attention that Zionist blackmail has forced him to talk bollocks for Israel?
In which case he didn’t have to stand for President. Nobody forced him.
 
The reality is that Trump is a lying Khazar, with no interest in , nor  claim to Palestine.  He’s just a Khazar criminal working a scam. There are no courts on earth that can address the condition of a man who authorises a genocide just to get attention, for Narcissism.
 
We’ve had plenty of weirdos who have killed just for attention, but not many who have killed one million,, unless of course you count Obama, Bush, Nixon and Biden.
 
 

Posted by: Giyane | Oct 3 2025 16:34 utc | 254

DD Includes Radio Communication Between Flotilla and IOF Prior to Seizure
https://youtu.be/mjCLjRPoWKk

Posted by: PassionateProgressiv | Oct 3 2025 16:47 utc | 256

RE: Posted by: Giyane | Oct 3 2025 16:34 utc | 257
 
I’m one of few who believe Trump doesn’t give a shit about Nuttyyahoo or USReal. He believes all his own personal business deals, as well as US deals can be done without a USReal in power.
So, any Arab state that the USReal can put their mafia foot on to control USReal & Lebanon, work for him.
 
If you look at it from Trump/Musk et el… what is Nuttyahoo/AIPAC to them?? An organization that finds them mightily, sure, but strangled them with blackmail material, in and out globally.
What was Trumps conversation with the King & Starmer? 
I’m simply saying I may play it the same way, the Sauds, UAE, Qatar… none of them need USReal…
 
So, I might consider, (if I were this band of greedy thieves), “how about we let Iran destroy USReal, get rid of that band of out-of-control nit wit blackmailers, dissolve USReal/Palestine altogether, redraw the line between Syria, Jordan and Lebanon…finish off Iran (after they destroy USReal) and wah-la… ME remake done!”
Seems easier than this crude to me…if I wanted to make billions and kill blackmailers.
 
This seems more feasibly why Tony Blair in here.
M16 & CIA. Military et el would need to do their global part.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 3 2025 16:51 utc | 258

‘In the 1950s, hundreds of thousands of Jews lived in Iraq. Mossad carried out bombings in Jewish neighborhoods and blamed local Arabs, creating fear to force migration to Israel.’
—
I write this article for the same reason I wrote my book:
To tell the American people, and especially American Jews, that Jews from Islamic lands did not emigrate willingly to Israel; that, to force them to leave, Jews killed Jews; and that, to buy time to confiscate ever more Arab lands, Jews on numerous occasions rejected genuine peace initiatives from their Arab neighbors.
I write about what the first prime minister of Israel called “cruel Zionism.”
I write about it because I was part of it.
– Naeim Giladi, The Jews of Iraq
http://www.inminds.co.uk/jews-of-iraq.html

Posted by: Dan Kelly | Oct 3 2025 17:13 utc | 260

Posted by: Dan Kelly | Oct 3 2025 17:13 utc | 264
Thank you very much for drawing attention to this important topic and book.
It shows once again how very important it is to know history. If we knew true history better, there would be less misunderstandings, hatred and conflict.

Posted by: JB | Oct 3 2025 17:29 utc | 262

Re: False Flags
the Lavon Affair
Events from the history of Israel related to the scandal that broke out after the failed secret operation of the Israeli intelligence service known as Operation Susannah. During this venture in the summer of 1954, Jewish agents placed bombs in buildings located in Egypt, but mostly belonging to the United States and Great Britain. They did so in the hope that the Muslim Brotherhood, communists, indefinable malcontents or local nationalists would be blamed for the explosions. These events became more widely known as the Lawon scandal or Lawon affair, because of them the Israeli defense minister Pinchas Lawon was forced to resign.
Israel officially confessed to carrying out the operation in 2005, when President Moshe Kacaw honored nine Egyptian Jews – agents who took part in it.……
 
( for rest of long article cut and paste entire quote above into a search engine) 

Posted by: Exile | Oct 3 2025 17:33 utc | 264

FREEDOM!!!! Next leader of Iran???? 
 

A Conversation with Exiled Crown Prince of Iran Reza Pahlavi

A Conversation with Exiled Crown Prince of Iran Reza Pahlavi

 
No comment.

Posted by: Don Firineach | Oct 3 2025 18:05 utc | 266

Montreal Doctor Part of Flotilla Delivering Aid To Gaza Undeterred By Israeli Interceptions
 
https://www.ctvnews.ca/montreal/article/montreal-doctor-part-of-flotilla-delivering-aid-to-gaza-undeterred-by-israeli-interceptions/
 
“Nima Machouf, an epidemiologist with the Universite de Montreal, is not for behind onboard the Conscience with a group of five other Canadians who are part of the international effort to bring medicine and food to Palestinians in Gaza. She denounced Israel’s actions against humanitarian work in the enclave, pointing to attacks that have killed journalists, doctors and other civilians.
 
“How come our government supports this? It’s unbelievable. How come they support them?* They have to force Israel to stop this violation of all international law,’ she said. 
 
A growing number of experts, including those commissioned by the United Nations, have accused Israel of committing genocide in Gaza…”
 
‘How come our government supports this?’
* mark.carney@parl.gc.ca

Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 3 2025 18:17 utc | 268

LIVE BLOG: Day 728
 
https://www.palestinechronicle.com/live-blog-israel-to-try-flotilla-activists-as-trump-says-us-will-have-gaza-day-728/
 
“Israel to try flotilla activists as Trump says US will ‘have Gaza’: ‘All the great, strong and rich states in the Middle East have agreed…”

Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 3 2025 18:24 utc | 270

This is supposedly the Zio-Monsters flotilla.
 
Monitor𝕏 (@MonitorX99800): “🇵🇸🇮🇱⚡- An Israeli flotilla of approximately 200 small vessels are attempting to sail to Gaza, demanding the release of Israeli hostages held by Hamas.” | nitter.poast.org

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Oct 3 2025 18:45 utc | 272

see the 46-second video at the link. This is rich, coming from one of the very biggest terrorists and racists in the entire world   
 
https://x.com/ME_Observer_/status/1973898941017289052
Middle East Observer @ME_Observer_   
 
⚡️🚨 In a public insult to all European and Arab countries.
 
The Israeli Minister of National Security in the occupation government, Ben Gvir, attacks the detained activists from the Freedom Flotilla, and screams at them: “You are terrorists”.
 

Posted by: michaelj72 | Oct 3 2025 19:02 utc | 274

Flotilla update:
 

Adalah: Israeli Forces Forced Sumud Activists to Kneel for 5 Hours
 
ADALAH LEGAL CENTER: The Adalah Legal Center said Israeli authorities held hearings for Sumud Flotilla activists, in some cases without allowing legal counsel. It added that Israeli forces forced the activists to kneel, handcuffed, for more than five hours.
https://www.palestinechronicle.com/live-blog-israel-to-try-flotilla-activists-as-trump-says-us-will-have-gaza-day-728/#lb_4

 
Lawyers call for release of Gaza flotilla activists
 
 

Adalah, a Palestinian legal centre in Israel, says members of the Global Sumud Flotilla detained in Israel must be released from their “unlawful detention”, hours after their boats were seized on the way to Gaza.
 
Adalah said its lawyers were initially denied access to the detainees, but it has since been able to meet with and provide consultations to 331 flotilla participants.
 
“Several participants reported being subjected to aggression, threats, and harassment, including being woken violently whenever they tried to sleep,” the group said in a statement shared on WhatsApp.
 
Adalah said Israel transferred the detainees to Ktzi’ot Prison in Israel’s southern Negev region without alerting their lawyers. The group said the activists are in “relatively stable condition” as its lawyers attend hearings to review their detention orders.
 
“Adalah is pursuing legal measures to guarantee that every single participant is accounted for, while continuing prison visits,” it said.
https://aje.io/6liwt3?update=4005934
 

Ben Gvir grunts at the flotilla members:
 

Israeli Minister of National Security Itamar Ben Gvir on Friday spoke from Ktzi’ot Prison, where members of the Global Sumud Flotilla are currently being detained and treated as “terrorists”.
 
“As I promised, those flotilla members, supporters of terrorism, are here in a security prison,” he can be heard saying in the video. 
 
With roughly 500 participants from different countries aboard at least 42 vessels, the Global Sumud Flotilla set out carrying humanitarian aid in a historic effort to open up a humanitarian corridor in the Gaza Strip.
 
It was the largest civilian-led initiative ever to try and break Israel’s illegal blockade of Gaza.
 
https://www.middleeasteye.net/live-blog/live-blog-update/video-sumud-flotilla-activists-treated-terrorists-ktziot-prison?nid=428053&topic=Israel%2527s%2520genocide%2520in%2520Gaza&fid=548565
 

And here is Ben Gvir, with his belly leading the way, bragging about treating the members of the flotilla as terrorists.  They are housed in a security prison in the Negev desert.
 

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DPWPov7AFby/?utm_source=ig_embed&ig_rid=ea17f83f-5360-43d1-995c-f737fb5ad1ce

Posted by: teri | Oct 3 2025 19:29 utc | 276

Re: ‘Clown’:
Continuing from the walking-dead, poopy-pants Biden presidency, the Trump administration has even more become nothing more than a truly evil cartoon show with living, breathing cartoon characters playing  leading roles as ‘leaders of the free world.’  Surely, for the sake of the survival of a sane world, including Americans, the present insanity cannot stand.
 

Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 3 2025 20:07 utc | 278

Posted by: Ornot | Oct 2 2025 14:37 utc | 154
 
Meaning, law and international law is based on moral precedent. If there is no respect for the underlying moral guidelines, your/their law and opinion is worth nothing. That is not even to mention that by own legal commitments various countries including Russia ‘should’ be acting to isolate “Israel”.Thank you Ornot, this is the best explanation in few clever words.
Palestinian genocide of their nation has really exposed everyone on a global scene, including the false promises of the now ‘polycentric’ world which BRICS are selling. With decreased success, as the real world ( not RoW, insulting by the way of definition), sees through the shadowplay.
 
Thank you all, as this has been one of very excellent threads, thank you b. for being restrained and honest.
There is nothing complicated about this

Posted by: stranger | Oct 3 2025 20:08 utc | 280

Very important:
Al Jazeera: Hamas responds to Trump plan
The Palestinian group says that, in order to end Israel’s war on Gaza and a complete withdrawal of Israeli forces from the enclave, it is ready to release all Israeli captives – both those who are living and dead – according to the exchange plan outlined in Trump’s proposal.
“In this context, the movement affirms its readiness to immediately enter into negotiations through the mediators to discuss the details of this agreement,” Hamas said in a statement shared on Telegram.
It also said it agrees to hand over the administration of Gaza to an independent body of Palestinian technocrats, “based on Palestinian national consensus and Arab and Islamic support”.
“Other issues mentioned in President Trump’s proposal regarding the future of the Gaza Strip and the legitimate rights of the Palestinian people are connected to a unified national position and relevant international laws and resolutions,” Hamas said.
They “will be addressed through a comprehensive Palestinian national framework, in which Hamas will participate and contribute responsibly”.

Posted by: JB | Oct 3 2025 20:09 utc | 282

@youseffares19
Official statement by Hamas: In an effort to stop the aggression and war of extermination that our steadfast people in the Gaza Strip are being subjected to, and based on national responsibility, and out of concern for the principles, rights, and supreme interests of our people, the Islamic Resistance Movement “Hamas” has held in-depth consultations within its leadership institutions, broad consultations with Palestinian forces and factions, and consultations with our mediating brothers and friends, to reach a responsible position in dealing with US President Donald Trump’s plan. *After a comprehensive study, the movement made its decision and submitted the following response to the mediating brothers:* (The Islamic Resistance Movement, Hamas, appreciates the Arab, Islamic, and international efforts, as well as the efforts of US President Donald Trump, calling for an end to the war on the Gaza Strip, an exchange of prisoners, the immediate entry of aid, the rejection of the occupation of the Strip, and the rejection of the displacement of our Palestinian people from it. Within this framework, and in a manner that achieves an end to the war and a complete withdrawal from the Strip, the movement announces its agreement to release all living and dead prisoners of the occupation, according to the exchange formula included in President Trump’s proposal, and with the provision of field conditions for the exchange process. In this context, the movement affirms its readiness to immediately enter into negotiations through the mediators to discuss the details of this. The movement also renews its agreement to hand over the administration of the Gaza Strip to a Palestinian body of independents (technocrats), based on Palestinian national consensus and based on Arab and Islamic support. The other issues mentioned in President Trump’s proposal related to the future of the Gaza Strip and the inherent rights of the Palestinian people are linked to a comprehensive national position and based on relevant international laws and resolutions, and are discussed within a comprehensive Palestinian national framework, of which Hamas will be a part. And you will contribute to it with full responsibility.) The Islamic Resistance Movement – Hamas
>   Hamas leader Musa Abu Marzouk:
– The priority is to stop the war and massacres, and from this perspective, we dealt positively with the plan
 -Handing over prisoners and bodies within 72 hours is theoretical and unrealistic under the current circumstances
shaping the future of the people is a national issue, not decided by Hamas alone  – We agreed to a regional and international vision presented by #Egypt, which includes answers regarding peace and the future. – The United States must take a positive view of the future of the Palestinian people.
– We dealt positively with the points that concern the movement in the Trump plan. – We will enter into negotiations on all issues related to the movement and weapons. – Implementing the plan’s points requires detail and understanding. – The plan cannot be implemented without negotiation

Posted by: JB | Oct 3 2025 20:23 utc | 284

216, Michael, 218 Trubind — “It’s (Syria) more like the West Bank. An atrocity in conjunction with collaboration. Jewlani hardly cares.”
A recent report from a peace organization (will find source if anyone requests) gives this about current condition of Syria: It’s being stripped of assets (what there were) by foreign powers; there is not enough money to pay salaries of militias; Jewlani has favorites whom he pays; the rest are roving takfiris who descend upon villages and rob them, preying especially upon old people.

Posted by: Lavieja | Oct 3 2025 21:26 utc | 286

“Zionist Rabbi: Americans Must Be SACRIFICED For Israel’s Survival”
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Pf4B5h84IQ   ( 16 minutes ).

Posted by: WMG | Oct 3 2025 21:52 utc | 288

Norman Finkelstein: Unapologetic
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkraKVOAqOk
 
“Gaza’s obliteration has been paved by US-Israeli peace proposals.”

Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 3 2025 22:08 utc | 290

 
Posted by: michaelj72 | Oct 3 2025 20:08 utc | 285
Since learning that only one person was actually killed by the Manchester synagogue attacker I’ve been wondering how many Palestinian deaths it would’ve taken to bump the synagogue attack off the front pages and become the main story. At least 57 Palestinians died that day, but that didn’t make a blip in the news.
the horror the horror
 
weird bizarre tale 
we may never know what happened that day in manchester
its a mystery its a mystery im still searching for a clue 
 
 
UK Cops Killed One Of The Manchester Synagogue Victims, Injured Another.
 
One of the two victims who died in the synagogue attack in Manchester, UK was shot dead by police, with the other victim killed by suspect. In fact, the police were the only ones with guns at the incident.

Posted by: normal wisdom | Oct 3 2025 22:18 utc | 292

“Doha strike shows that no peace can be achieved by recognising Israel | David Hearst | MEE Opinion”
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Source:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onDkZasW_oA  (length: 9:17) Posted/published: september 12, 2025.
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It turns out that Israel wanted to kill Hamas negotiator Khalid Mashal (KM) with the airstrike in Doha, Qatar.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_Israeli_attack_on_Doha
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KM survided the attacks because KM gave his mobile / smart-phone to one of his aids. He went several times/days without cell phone. The US / Israel traced the cell phone that was supposedly carried by KM and therefore hit the wrong target/people.
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In 1997, KM also survived a poison attack from 8 Mossad agents in Meshal’s office in Amman, Jordan. 2 agents were caught. The 6 other fled to the Israeli embassy in Amman. The head of the Mossad was forced to fly to Amman with the antodote to the poison that wounded/incapacitated/injured KM. King Hoessein was only willing to let the other six israeli attackers, who were responsible for the poison attack, leave the israeli embassy in Amman on the condition that israel released the leader of the palestinians sheik Yassin first.
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Sheik Yassin was killed in march 22, 2004 by an israeli helicopter attack. This attack triggered a violent response in Iraq where a number of contractors, who took the wrong road, were lynched , burned and hanged from a brigde that crossed the Eufrate river in Fallujah.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Fallujah_ambush

Posted by: WMG | Oct 3 2025 22:49 utc | 294

• Journalist Sohaib Masalmeh
 
 
– “Trump’s vice president publishes Hamas’s response, writing:
 
“Proud of the president and the entire team. Pray for peace.” ”
 
[Note, that seems to imply “the choice is with “Israel” ” ]
 
 
• Journalist Youssef Fares
 
 
– “Yemeni Armed Forces: To our heroic brothers in Hamas and Islamic Jihad, we say: We are not concerned with the details of the negotiations because the decision is in your hands, but we will continue to fulfill our pledge. Just as our military support operations began at your request, they will not stop except at your request and will resume whenever you request it. Your fate is our fate and we are with you until victory or martyrdom. And those who do wrong will know to what end they will be turned.”
 
 
– “Walla! Hebrew website: “Netanyahu and his advisors are working on formulating a response to Trump’s statement.” “

Posted by: Ornot | Oct 3 2025 22:54 utc | 296

Could be the new Hamas deal be a distraction for an attack on Iran.
Trump has used negotiations as part of an attack strategy before.

Posted by: Tux | Oct 3 2025 23:09 utc | 298

RE: Posted by: Lavieja | Oct 3 2025 21:26 utc | 290
 
No doubt, international carpet baggers running in Syria by the dozens…

Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 3 2025 23:17 utc | 300