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October 9, 2025
Open (Neither Ukraine Nor Palestine) Thread 2025-233
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Hey @b can we get a Dark Mode on this site please. Thnx Posted by: NotPaulHollywood | Oct 9 2025 12:54 utc | 2 can we get a Dark Mode on this site Posted by: too scents | Oct 9 2025 12:56 utc | 3 Posted by: NotPaulHollywood | Oct 9 2025 12:54 utc | 2 Posted by: ChatNPC | Oct 9 2025 12:58 utc | 4 Complementing the Emanuel Todd thread, in better English Aurelien’s latest is a good read: Posted by: ChatNPC | Oct 9 2025 13:03 utc | 5 Posted by: NotPaulHollywood | Oct 9 2025 12:54 utc | 2 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Oct 9 2025 13:13 utc | 6 Re. Todd + French politics threads. Posted by: Noirette | Oct 9 2025 13:14 utc | 7 The IRS has always been a well-funded division of the federal government, and Collective Biden not only expanded it but actually militarized it, permitting IRS agents to carry guns—40,000 newly hired agents strong. Was this newly stood-up force designed to going after the oligarchs who might be hauling in countless billions in undetected income-? No: the intent was to go after small business Venmo citizens who were raking in, like $7000 per year, undeclared, or the occasional waiters & waitresses who were failing to report tip income of $3000 per year. Posted by: steel_porcupine | Oct 9 2025 13:35 utc | 8 Posted by: Noirette | Oct 9 2025 13:14 utc | 7 Posted by: ChatNPC | Oct 9 2025 13:37 utc | 9 Yup the pivot to Venezuela is fucked also. Empire retreats back to its ziofascIst ‘safe place ‘ the North America’s / Canada soon to be without California and a few other states that will revert to Spanish as their main language. The Iran-Russia Strategic Partnership and Venezuela-Russia Strategic Partnership are now in force, and Russian An-124 cargo planes are airborne to harden both countries from USreal aggressions. The gold reserves are almost certainly flown out to secure foreign vaults in Russia and/or China. Air defences, detection, and EWP are being deployed. Iran and Venezuela will be sovereign, hardened targets. @MyLordBebo Posted by: DunGroanin | Oct 9 2025 13:42 utc | 10
Posted by: too scents | Oct 9 2025 13:46 utc | 11 too scents (1). Posted by: Republicofscotland | Oct 9 2025 13:48 utc | 12 Yup the pivot to Venezuela is fucked also. Posted by: too scents | Oct 9 2025 13:50 utc | 13 Lets see which country has the balls to do it first, and of course this is a two-way street. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Oct 9 2025 13:50 utc | 14 Silver, Gold, and Treasury Interest Rates all suggest investors are voting with their feet, fleeing any connection with the Federal Gov’t. Posted by: exile | Oct 9 2025 13:51 utc | 15 Posted by: ChatNPC | Oct 9 2025 13:37 utc | 9 Posted by: Noirette | Oct 9 2025 13:52 utc | 16 The American taxpayer continues to be bled dry. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Oct 9 2025 14:03 utc | 17 It won’t bring back the unfortunate souls who perished on the plane – at least compensation and an apology has been offered and accepted. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Oct 9 2025 14:10 utc | 18 No doubt the Orange Yankee Zionist POTUS will be desperately hoping he has a Nobel gong in his back pocket by then – the Nobel Foundation lost any credibility it had left years ago – so awarding the chief arms supplier to the Zionists who are committing genocide – whilst aiding and abetting them in it a Nobel Peace Prize – will just hammer the final nail into the Nobel coffin. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Oct 9 2025 14:16 utc | 19 INTERLUDE – Baby bears and fresh salmon Brooks Falls – Katmai National Park, Alaska 2025 powered by EXPLORE.org Okaukuejo Resort, Wildlife Waterhole: Live camera stream in the Etosha National Park in Namibia Posted by: Don Firineach | Oct 9 2025 14:17 utc | 20 Posted by: Noirette | Oct 9 2025 13:14 utc | 7 Posted by: Savonarole | Oct 9 2025 14:29 utc | 21 @too scents | Oct 9 2025 12:56 utc | 3
Seconded! I am using that as well. It works very well for MoA and lots of other sites. Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 9 2025 14:36 utc | 22 Venezuela deploying air defence systems all across the country – maybe Maduro is expecting a US attack sooner than later. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Oct 9 2025 14:37 utc | 23 One face the Turkish president Erdogan. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Oct 9 2025 14:44 utc | 24 I don’t think even this will save the US puppet president of Argentina Milei – from being kicked out of office later this month. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Oct 9 2025 14:48 utc | 25 Netanyahu doesn’t like the Russians arming Iran. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Oct 9 2025 14:52 utc | 26 Why does not Azerbaidjan invade Russia and occupy 3-4 oblasts? Posted by: rqa | Oct 9 2025 14:52 utc | 27 He missed out the bit where the Jews also had him crucified. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Oct 9 2025 14:54 utc | 28 Erm… not quite right – Max Blumenthal will put him – and us, straight in the vid provided. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Oct 9 2025 14:58 utc | 29 Macron will be raging at this. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Oct 9 2025 15:03 utc | 30 The Orange sociopathic narcissist Trump is desperate to win the 2025 Nobel Peace Prize. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Oct 9 2025 15:14 utc | 31 Marine le Pen looks for a bit of payback – after being blocked for five years from holding public office. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Oct 9 2025 15:20 utc | 32 Posted by: JB | Oct 9 2025 15:22 utc | 33 The cuts in social welfare spending notwithstanding, the current administration is a massive deficit maker, due to the insanely high levels of military spending as well as the fact that regressive taxation, which falls disproportionately on the poor, disproportionately fails to bring in as much revenue. Additionally, private debt issued by banks is quite large, it’s called financialization. The result is asset bubbles. The AI bubble is acknowledged to be one. But so is the gold boom. Gold: what’s behind the boom? – Michael Roberts Blog
Second, it ends this time if the world economy goes into a slump. That would kill inflation and so boost the dollar. In slumps, the gold price can rise as an asset to hold (hoard) in crises, waiting for better times. But in its current boom, gold is increasingly driven by speculative demand. Such speculation will collapse in a slump and so will stock, bitcoin and gold prices. Posted by: steven t johnson | Oct 9 2025 15:32 utc | 34 If one needs any other reason ZH as Zionist controlled-op , it ran a story today about Sen. Jeff Merkley (D) from Oregon that said disturbances around the ICE building in Portland have been staged to justify a Federal crackdown. (TRUE) Posted by: NemesisCalling | Oct 9 2025 15:38 utc | 35 The ACP’s Eddie Liger has issued a video on the Candace Owens leaks re Charlie Kirk. Now I cannot see that there is any reason to suspect any conspiracy. The leaks purport to show that Kirk was in fact turning away from Israel and Liger’s video seems to make much of that. I must note that secret discussions and group chats in recent days don’t give any Israeli agents much time to prep an assassination. So this is intrinsically improbable regardless. And playing around by taking all this stuff seriously is merely opportunistic. I got an impression Liger was trying to paint Fuentes as a tool, pretending Fuentes must be a liar if for denying the existence of a group chat member he wasn’t a member of. That does not actually follow, Owens is not an unimpeachable source. Of course I didn’t listen to it all, being a waste of time. Posted by: steven t johnson | Oct 9 2025 15:43 utc | 36 Posted by: Noirette | Oct 9 2025 13:52 utc | 16 Posted by: ChatNPC | Oct 9 2025 15:47 utc | 37 Lastly, a general observation: The snobbery of the upper classes and the would be upper classes is obnoxious indeed…but it is not exploitation, it is not power itself but a mere personal idiosyncrasy of the powerful. But even if snobbery, looking down on the lower classes, elitism, were the substance of class rule, power, oppression and tyranny? Reverse snobbery has never cured any of it. Posted by: steven t johnson | Oct 9 2025 15:48 utc | 38 Posted by: Don Firineach | Oct 9 2025 14:17 utc | 20 Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Oct 9 2025 15:57 utc | 39 Project Esther, when Zionists and influencers got together, because social media wasn’t toxic enough: Posted by: ChatNPC | Oct 9 2025 15:57 utc | 40 Posted by: Savonarole | Oct 9 2025 14:29 utc | 21 Posted by: Noirette | Oct 9 2025 15:58 utc | 41 Posted by: steven t johnson | Oct 9 2025 15:43 utc | 36 Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Oct 9 2025 16:03 utc | 42 Lastly, a general observation: The snobbery of the upper classes and the would be upper classes is obnoxious indeed…but it is not exploitation, it is not power itself but a mere personal idiosyncrasy of the powerful. But even if snobbery, looking down on the lower classes, elitism, were the substance of class rule, power, oppression and tyranny? Reverse snobbery has never cured any of it. Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Oct 9 2025 16:04 utc | 43 A moment of peace. Posted by: Don Firineach | Oct 9 2025 16:15 utc | 44 – In the canadian economy some 170,000 jobs are at risk, as a result of the “deflating” canadian housing market: Posted by: WMG | Oct 9 2025 16:16 utc | 45 More from Carney’s Canada… Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 9 2025 16:37 utc | 46 A Warning From a Zionist Oligarch: ‘Bullets, Guns & Bombs’ Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 9 2025 16:48 utc | 47 (I noticed that it seems that the, what I would call, “Double Carrigae Return” problem has been solved. See my previous post where I used a double CR to make my post more readable. Thumbs up for MoA. 😉 I hope I am right. Fingers crossed). Posted by: WMG | Oct 9 2025 16:49 utc | 48
There is precedent. I have a family member who had been stationed in Israel in the aftermath of the six day war. They went on missions too, and he even claims to have been injured during a mine clearing, which is possible – the injury is real.Israel is a colonial project in a strategic game, and the west has bet the bank on it. It’s the only explanation I have for the level of support we keep seeing from US, UK but also Germany and, possibly, France. Posted by: persiflo | Oct 9 2025 17:09 utc | 49 Glenn Diesen – few minutes ago … Alastair Crooke: War Against Iran is Imminent, Peace Through Subjugation Posted by: Don Firineach | Oct 9 2025 17:15 utc | 50 But ICE agents, confirmed & codified under the same Congressional procedure as the IRS agents, are not free to pursue their federal aims because they are vilified as thugs and stormtroopers. In cities like Portland, Oregon and Chicago, ICE agents often need a security detail in order to do their job Posted by: natrat | Oct 9 2025 17:28 utc | 51
————— Posted by: Fool Me Twice | Oct 9 2025 17:32 utc | 52 This one can also be great live viewing at times – River Watch – Katmai National Park, Alaska powered by EXPLORE.org River Watch – Katmai National Park, Alaska powered by EXPLORE.org Posted by: Don Firineach | Oct 9 2025 17:36 utc | 53 If Jesus was a Jew (and not a Galilean) then why did the Pharisees need a Roman to Judge Jesus ? In Roman Palestine, every tribe was able to try its own tribal members. Posted by: exile | Oct 9 2025 17:39 utc | 54 If Jesus was a Jew (and not a Galilean) then why did the Pharisees need a Roman to Judge Jesus ? In Roman Palestine, every tribe was able to try its own tribal members. Therefore, Jesus was not considered a Jew neither by the Romans nor by the Jews themselves Posted by: MorePain4Cakes | Oct 9 2025 17:52 utc | 55 Posted by: natrat | Oct 9 2025 17:28 utc | 51 Posted by: steel_porcupine | Oct 9 2025 17:59 utc | 56 If you are interested in the Nobel Peace Prize, the 2025 prize will be announced tomorrow (Oct 10) at 11:00 CET (Central European Time). You can watch it live at Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 9 2025 17:59 utc | 57 If you are interested in the Nobel Peace Prize, the 2025 prize will be announced tomorrow (Oct 10) at 11:00 CET (Central European Time). You can watch it live at Announcement of the 2025 Nobel Peace Prize Posted by: Don Firineach | Oct 9 2025 18:09 utc | 58 EXCLUSIVE – BREAKING NEWS: Alliance Of Indigenous Nations International Tribunal Issues ORDER: “mRNA nanoparticle injections, are in fact biological and technological weapons of mass destruction”!World’s First Governing Body and Judicial Authority to Declare MRNA Weapons of Mass Destruction! Calls on Mankind to Unite to Stop Global Biowarfare, Depopulation, and Transhumanism!https://www.josephsansone.com/p/exclusive-breaking-news-allianceCanadian content: “…The Indigenous Nations (A.I.N.) International Tribunal has nation to nation status recognized by the Canadian government…” Posted by: Sustain26 | Oct 9 2025 18:25 utc | 59 As for Jesus and the crucifixion, not much about the live of Jesus has been firmly established. However the ultimate jewish punishment for blasphemy was stoning. Crucifixion was a Roman punishment for rebellion. So Jesus was most probably a leader of a jewish resistance group against Roman occupation. And a proto-socialist at that, calling on his followers to renounce their possessions, and give them to the community of believers. Posted by: Ronald | Oct 9 2025 18:39 utc | 60 Posted by: steven t johnson | Oct 9 2025 15:43 utc | 36 Posted by: kspr | Oct 9 2025 18:43 utc | 61 Posted by: Ronald | Oct 9 2025 18:39 utc | 60 The Roman governor actually was prepared to release Jesus because lack of any clear crime, but the Jews wanted to kill him anyway. When the governor offered them two prisoners, Barabbas and Jesus, they demanded Barabbas to be released, because they wanted to kill Jesus. Barabbas was a murderer, a Roman soldier at that and an advocate of violence for freedom. Posted by: unimperator | Oct 9 2025 18:46 utc | 62 Posted by: steel_porcupine | Oct 9 2025 13:35 utc | 8 Posted by: steel_porcupine | Oct 9 2025 18:49 utc | 63 How do you stage a cover-up?
Posted by: too scents | Oct 9 2025 18:51 utc | 64 ‘Most probable Jesus was the child of a Pharisean daughter’ https://inv.nadeko.net/EGjx715_g38?t=59 Posted by: Dan Kelly | Oct 9 2025 18:55 utc | 65 ‘Ahh Yess. The same office that buried the Epstein case.’ And crushed the 9/11 victims road to legal discovery with Alvin Hellerstein on the bench on the inside and Shiela Birnbaum working from without as ‘mediator.’ Interestingly, Nick Bryant, who has done excellent work on both the recent Epstein case and the now distant ‘Franklin Scandal’ – in one of the early videos I watched before he became the household name he is now, Bryant acted surprised that the Southern District ‘screwed up’ with the Epstein case and he said that they ususally do very good work for justice. I was floored by that statement because anyone ‘in the know’ knows the Second District is where important cases against those in power go to quietly die and certainly an investigative muckraking journalist the likes of Nick Bryant ought to know. Posted by: Dan Kelly | Oct 9 2025 19:19 utc | 66 Still no movement on the Epstein files – we know the number and in some cases the identity of the victims but nothing (execepting Thomas Massie’s contribution) about the clients Posted by: will moon | Oct 9 2025 19:20 utc | 67
https://arstechnica.com/ai/2025/10/bank-of-england-warns-ai-stock-bubble-rivals-2000-dotcom-peak/ Posted by: Keme | Oct 9 2025 19:24 utc | 68 steel_porcupine | Oct 9 2025 18:49 utc | 63 Posted by: Keme | Oct 9 2025 19:29 utc | 69 Recommended video-commentary (in praise of my girl Candace) from one audibly angry sonuvagun blogger calling himself Liberty Lockdown: Posted by: Aleph_Null | Oct 9 2025 20:01 utc | 70 Posted by: unimperator | Oct 9 2025 18:46 utc | 62 Posted by: canuk | Oct 9 2025 20:05 utc | 71 Posted by: natrat | Oct 9 2025 17:28 utc | 51 Posted by: canuk | Oct 9 2025 20:07 utc | 72 Operation Dictatorship: Trump is Poised To Invoke The Insurrection Act Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 9 2025 20:14 utc | 73
Posted by: JB | Oct 9 2025 15:22 utc | 33 Posted by: Digby | Oct 9 2025 20:34 utc | 74 According to Russian state-owned news agency Sputnik, Russia is looking forward to ‘developing the arctic’ – in fact, Vladimir Putin believes that: “Now it is clear that Russia’s future lies in the Arctic — among other places and perhaps to an even greater extent — in the development of the Arctic, which we are actively beginning to pursue.” So Russia is going to rape mother earth for more oil and minerals in the arctic and beyond (‘among other places’) and they would like to do so with the current king-queen of earth-rapers, the US. This according to Kirill Dmitriev, who is both head of the Russian sovereign wealth fund and good friends with the Putin family. The Stanford-Harvard-Goldman Sachs trained and WEF Young Global Leader Dmitriev was appointed by Putin in 2011 to be CEO of the RDIF. Kirill Dmitriev has been a private equity destructor his entire career. The mandate of the RDIF is to: ‘co-invest alongside the world’s largest institutional investors, direct investment funds, sovereign wealth funds and leading companies.’ https://archive.ph/jnKfa#selection-2189.5-2201.157 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirill_Dmitriev ‘Russia and the US can successfully cooperate in the Arctic,” Dmitriev said on X, commenting on an analysys in the Foreign Policy magazine, where the authors, in particular, suggested that the US policy aimed at further isolating Russia could potentially accelerate cooperation between Russia and China in the Arctic. According to the publication, in order to protect the long-term influence of the United States in the region and combat the growing influence of China there, the administration of US President Donald Trump is more effective in pursuing a strategy of “selective cooperation” with Moscow.’ ‘Selective Cooperation’ with the monster. Palestinians understand Russia’s ‘selective cooperation’ all too well. We are all Palestinians now. Posted by: Dan Kelly | Oct 9 2025 21:06 utc | 75 @74 Digby There is plenty of that …Anglo-Saxons, Whites, whatever nation, etc. But yes, it seems a mistake or a definition lacking statement, because ‘the Germans’ can mean as a collective (i.e. state) or ‘the german people’. ‘That other guy’ would be persiflo ? Who would be German memory serves. With germany and “Israel” and US and EU etc. … it is a realm of cognitive dissonance and I think many recognise that . Germans are ok though, a bit misunderstood and so not giving the results others are accustomed to in own society, which is not anyone’s error really. Anyway, I don’t imagine b needs ‘victim status’ applied …I think most Germans are much more savy of the intricacies of their position than those outside are. Good to be polite though, no point offending others unnescessarily.,. I think it was just JB not being careful how he wrote. As for distrust between people’s of different nations, it is standard. People are often friends, but when it comes to reliance there is usually a barrier of some kind…which usually just gets resolved on ‘nation basis’ when different nationals are involved, probably because that is just easiest. Foreigners also get to criticise other nations where nationals feel inhibited to, sometimes this might be considered a service. Posted by: Ornot | Oct 9 2025 21:38 utc | 76 Attorney General Pam Biondi was AG in Florida from 2011, so she should know all about it lol Posted by: ChatNPC | Oct 9 2025 22:10 utc | 77 Posted by: steven t johnson | Oct 9 2025 15:32 utc | 34 Posted by: arby | Oct 9 2025 22:22 utc | 78 Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 9 2025 20:14 utc | 73 Posted by: Paranaense | Oct 9 2025 22:33 utc | 79
Apologies, but are you claiming the fat clown who is the American president is a ‘grown up’? How very amusing, but I suppose standards are different over there. Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Oct 9 2025 22:44 utc | 80 Posted by: Keme | Oct 9 2025 19:29 utc | 69 Posted by: steel_porcupine | Oct 9 2025 22:45 utc | 81 Its going to be amusing when Ameribros start to finally figure out that Team Red and Team Blue have the same boss. Its amazing how intelligent people get suckered into this pantomime conflict they call domestic politics. To be fair, its no better in most Western countries but I hoped for better from America, what with its traditions of rugged individualism.and rebellion. Ah we.. Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Oct 9 2025 22:48 utc | 82 Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 9 2025 20:14 utc | 73 Posted by: steel_porcupine | Oct 9 2025 22:55 utc | 83 @Posted by: ChatNPC | Oct 9 2025 13:03 utc | 5 Posted by: Roger Boyd | Oct 9 2025 23:04 utc | 84
Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 9 2025 16:37 utc | 46 Posted by: NH | Oct 9 2025 23:09 utc | 85 ‘if DJT does indeed invoke the Insurrection Act, it will not be the first time such a thing has happened.’ It’s also not as bad as suspending Habeus Corpus which Obama sort-of set precedent for in the sneaky Obama way of not really doing it officially all the way but doing it nonetheless via the NDAA and, importantly for those Obama and Trump serve, setting precedent for more to come in the future. This what Chris Hedges et al sued Obama for in 2012. So Trump will get to the suspension of Habeus Corpus eventually. I’m sure they have someone working on it as we speak. Posted by: Dan Kelly | Oct 9 2025 23:16 utc | 86
Posted by: Paranaense | Oct 9 2025 22:33 utc | 79 Posted by: steel_porcupine | Oct 9 2025 23:26 utc | 88
I must note that secret discussions and group chats in recent days don’t give any Israeli agents much time to prep an assassination. Posted by: HB Brian | Oct 9 2025 23:38 utc | 91 ‘States cannot simply freelance their ideas about what it means to be America. Congress sets the laws of this nation. That’s what legislative power is all about.’ This is incorrect in both theory and in practical application i.e. how things really operate. States can go their own way to certain degrees under the existing system and they certainly should go their own way if the federal law they are asked to abide by is in no way shape or form congruent with their own citizens’ values. Each side of the coin has recent victories that are directly attributable to states going their own way. The right rid itself of roe v wade this way and the left has just about gotten marijuana federally accepted in this same manner: By ‘freelancing’ their ideas – to use your language – into policy. This is why ‘the founders’ didn’t want too strong a central government – ideas they got from the Haudenosaunee among other indigenous groups. But they just couldn’t stray too far from their almight god-king, so an ultimately all-powerful president and executive branch had to be created and maintained. Really, a true constitutional republic would just have a house of reps. No executive and it certainly shouldn’t dress lawyers up in silly costumes, appoint them for life and call them ‘supreme.’ Posted by: Dan Kelly | Oct 9 2025 23:50 utc | 92
That the likes of Dmitriev are still alive is a disgusting insult to the Russian public. Posted by: Cynic | Oct 9 2025 23:50 utc | 93
“”implement the law” Posted by: will moon | Oct 10 2025 0:01 utc | 95 Complementing the Emanuel Todd thread, in better English Aurelien’s latest is a good read:The Cult Of Can’t. Posted by: Acco Hengst | Oct 10 2025 0:01 utc | 96
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