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‘There’s a level of gross irrationality within western decision making that worries me greatly.
These fucking idiots don’t realise that the ww2 variety nukes are fire crackers compared to the stuff available since the fifties and sixties.’
Nuclear War: All the Questions You Were Afraid to Ask
The Nuclear Wild West
https://inv.nadeko.net/watch?v=8T9vGNNdKKs
Posted by: Dan Kelly | Oct 16 2025 13:31 utc | 101
“Russia betrayed Syria” meme is back on the menu, it seems.
Posted by: boneless | Oct 16 2025 13:55 utc | 102
Posted by: Naive | Oct 16 2025 13:30 utc | 100
Like all western nazi leaders.
Lol! Not like them. Their underestimating the Russians cost them their regime, their personal estate, and their lives. I just was wrong in an argument.
Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Oct 16 2025 13:57 utc | 103
Trump seems to have drifted into the land of make-believe:
https://archive.ph/AAhDZ
India’s foreign ministry said it’s unaware of a conversion between President Donald Trump and Prime Minister Narendra Modi on Wednesday, hours after the US leader said he spoke with his Indian counterpart, who Trump claimed pledged to halt Russian oil purchases.
The problem with lying is eventually you get caught. Trump may now have another problem – neocons figuring out that he’s snow jobbing them.
Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Oct 16 2025 13:59 utc | 104
RE: Posted by: Urban Fox | Oct 16 2025 12:54 utc | 96
I agree. Not sure in the WW3 part, only because, as you correctly stated, UK “militarily” doesn’t have crap, however, the US military arm of UK, believe they do. As delusional as it is, we (MOA) consider the “lost arms” race of the U.S….the U.S. continues, by all public accounts, to believe the US is currently superior in all areas. As for “all they can”, hope your right.
I stopped considering the “West” as rational, reasonable, logical or even self-preserving in this last year. Given the evidence that has accumulated, it’s a steady escalation after escalation, that leaves open trajectory.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 16 2025 14:10 utc | 105
The Nuclear Wild West
https://inv.nadeko.net/watch?v=8T9vGNNdKKs
Posted by: Dan Kelly | Oct 16 2025 13:31 utc | 101
At a guess my fears will not be eased!
Posted by: jpc | Oct 16 2025 14:17 utc | 106
RE:
“The problem with lying is eventually you get caught. Trump may now have another problem – neocons figuring out that he’s snow jobbing them.”
Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Oct 16 2025 13:59 utc | 104
Yup. Trying to fix his error in Russian Oil Turriff he irrationally applied to India, needed it removed, seeing the error of his ways and dramatically, quickly needed reversal after China REMs death card. India suddenly important again.
Frankly, where India is concerned, I’m guessing his own neocon party made him go kiss and make up to stop the China/India cordiality path from strengthening.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 16 2025 14:18 utc | 107
The problem with lying is eventually you get caught. Trump may now have another problem – neocons figuring out that he’s snow jobbing them.
Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Oct 16 2025 13:59 utc | 104
He’s prone to vocalising his wistful thinking.
Posted by: jpc | Oct 16 2025 14:23 utc | 108
About the BGM109 “tomahawk” deliveries actual trending topic ( I don’t believe such a “non event” is a topic in itself , but who am I to judge ? )
Just to put thing in perspective, a roughly equivalent missile to the tomahawk in the RUAF inventory would be the KH101. (I said roughly … I know there are a lot of differences.) Estimated by the AFU in 2025 so far (Week43/52), the launch count of this particular vector is between 350 and 500 (Yea , UAF estimations …as precise as it’s AD.)
Backlogin into DoD’s purchase and Raitheon claims , annual production of the BMG109 is estimated 50 to 100 Pc/year. The actual non-deployed & available stockpile would be under 500 units. How many land-based version ? 20 to 50. Will 50 missiles make any sort of difference ? 135 pieces were fired on Yemen last year , 30 on Iran this year … did it really changed anything ? (Like in the real reality of the real world.)
So yea, basically it’s the latest of Gehlenskyi’s “Wunderwaffen” , it’s only strategical and tactical effect would be the same as all the precedents of it’s kind : prolonging the meatgrinding and the moneylaundering a few month. SMO for 404 is a slot machine in Vegas : the longer you play , the more you loose.
Posted by: Savonarole | Oct 16 2025 14:29 utc | 109
Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 16 2025 12:17 utc | 93
RE: What’s most obvious to me, is there appears (as you noted with Noize MC’s “song”) to be some internal surge of disruptions from external forces.
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Solid info. Thx.
The rapper Noize MC left Russia for Latvia after the SMO commenced, like other so-called opposition entities, including the entire staff of TV Rain and the daily newspaper Novaya Gazeta, which unfailingly were both tagged as opposition media outlets.
After the information we’ve learned about the regime-change preparations for Russia since VVP failed to bend the knee long ago, we can now interpret the term “opposition” as meaning captured—yes, by the usual-suspect Western agitators/infiltrators: UK’s Bellingcat, the CIA, various NGOs that have tried to cling-on, etc.
British media, as exemplified by The Telegraph, has every incentive to claim that Noize MC, from his Latvian exile post, continues to capture the zeitgeist of young people in SPB and Moscow even though he has been removed from the culture, removed from the pulse, removed from the attitudes during these 3.5 years of massive reckoning & focus for Russia.
British media is looking for a fulcrum on which it can balance its boilerplate propaganda. It’s trying to make relevant a 40-year old musician who fled his country, trying to make it seem he can still touch the hearts of the young people in his former country even after a tumultuous 3.5 years by trotting out the retread discontent that the British media has pushed since the earliest of the Navalny period, including what was termed, by the West, the Snow Revolution (2011-2012), when the Navalny-ites called the re-election of VVP fraudulent.
It’s the same ol’ schtick. It’s nonsensical.
Posted by: steel_porcupine | Oct 16 2025 14:35 utc | 110
Re: Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Oct 16 2025 13:08 utc | 98
To say that NATO hasn’t expanded (Swedes and Finns were more de facto NATO than Ukraine was de facto NATO) is a bit of an understatement. NATO is shinking due to the loss of the Ukraines. And the Baltic statelets are next because of Kaliningrad.
Utter garbage.
Ukraine has NEVER been controlled by NATO or The West – Ukraine has always been a Russian protectorate – for many centuries – barring a brief period in the early 1940s.
Posted by: Julian | Oct 16 2025 14:46 utc | 111
Don’t be so hard on Emperor Delirious.
1. He’s just following Nixon’s precedent. “If the President does it, then it is not a Crime.”
2. Ergo, “If Emperor Delirious states it, it is not a Lie.”
3. The world breathed a sigh of relief yesterday when Emperor Delirious disclosed that he stopped the war between Pakistan and Iran. It was such a quiet war that no one else on the Planet knew it was happening.
For the softies, like Doc Doctorow, awash in the cocktail circuit, my money is on Putin, a man who understands Realpolitik, and has rebuilt Russia from the Dual Citizen Carpetbagging days.
Posted by: kupkee | Oct 16 2025 15:04 utc | 112
Google makes it so easy. You just type in ” India denies Trump” and see he’s lying. Or “BRICS denies Trump” and read about nations that stick in BRICS
Posted by: Eighthman | Oct 16 2025 15:26 utc | 113
Posted by: Savonarole | Oct 16 2025 14:29 utc | 109
Either you can’t understand, or you don’t want to understand, because a—what’s that called?—agenda is being pursued… According to the motto: it’s all easy peasy! It’s about the CAPABILITY and thus POSSIBILITY of a nuclear-capable missile being fired at the territory of the Russian Territory… Launched from Territory 404, the reaction time is so short that a nuclear response is necessary… And anyone who has even a little knowledge of the subject knows that very well… Fucking hell. The Russian Federation simply can’t afford any “ifs”, “maybes” or “buts” in this case!
Posted by: Brigitte Mohnhaupt | Oct 16 2025 15:28 utc | 114
Re:
“It’s the same ol’ schtick. It’s nonsensical.”
Posted by: steel_porcupine | Oct 16 2025 14:35 utc | 110
Always. I didn’t know that info regarding Noise MC. Admit haven’t been keeping up with the latest influencer bands. Last one I remember hearing about in Russia, was that all girl band, can’t remember the name, (?) sent from somewhere in EU to go stir shit.
You mentioned Latvia, below is a link to a Tass article, which is angering, but more saddening.
It stated that Latvia (sometimes in Tass, either the translations are really bad, or information is left out or the paragraph placement makes the article nonsensical)…that Latvia recently deported 841 people.
Latvia came up with some language test, and if you didn’t pass you were deported. These were Russian Ukrainians that had fled and Russia made an appeal to host this Russians in safety and warmth in Russia that were being exported back to Ukraine. Latvia refused, These were mostly elderly Russians.
Anyways, a sad article, but at same time, dies make you want to start hanging folks.
https://tass.com/politics/2030657
16 OCT, 05:40
Duma chairman calls deportation of Russians from Latvia act of genocide
”Moscow said it had already prepared measures for their settlement at home”
Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 16 2025 15:29 utc | 115
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Utter garbage.Ukraine has NEVER been controlled by NATO or The West – Ukraine has always been a Russian protectorate – for many centuries – barring a brief period in the early 1940s.
Posted by: Julian | Oct 16 2025 14:46 utc | 111</BLOCKQUOTE>
Ukraine went under USA (and thus NATO) control in 2014.
Posted by: Cheney | Oct 16 2025 15:43 utc | 116
Posted by: exile | Oct 16 2025 11:36 utc | 89
RE: In your experience- is there anything in today’s Russian such as “a song with forbidden lyrics ?”
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In my experience, what’s forbidden is the person from the West who rushes in to declare what’s forbidden in today’s Russian.
Posted by: steel_porcupine | Oct 16 2025 16:32 utc | 117
Everyone is raising their tone on this war and Russia seems to be lowering it. Europe and the US are obviously not looking to abandon Ukraine, not yet atleast, and Russia and especially Putin seems to be putting his head down and nod with sadness. Let’s see them destroy their grid, powerplants and their factories, then maybe NATO will lower it’s tone. Until then Putin really looks like a loser who doesn’t have it in him anymore.
Posted by: QTRFN | Oct 16 2025 16:59 utc | 118
Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 16 2025 15:29 utc | 115
RE: Russian-ethnic refugees from Ukraine being deported back to the Ukraine they fled (mostly elderly)
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The essence of Man’s Inhumanity To Man. Latvia.
Latvia.
In the first months of the war, Latvia issued about two hundred and sixty visas to media workers fleeing Russia, and nearly as many to their family members. Riga was already home to Meduza, a long-stnading Russian-language news outlet. Two dozen others came, including TV Rain, the Russian services of the BBC and Deutsche Welle, the Moscow bureau of the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation, several smaller publications, and about half the staff of Novaya Gazeta, whose editor-in-chief, Dmitry Muratov, had received the Nobel Peace Prize, in 2021.
Everybody in Latvia seemed simpatico at first, but that quickly changed.
The New Yorker magazine did an in-depth article in its 13 March 2023 issue: How Russian Journalists In Exile Are Covering The War In Ukraine. (Link below)
When your country is at war w/ Europe, and you flee your country for a hostile European country which hates your kind, you are expected to hate just as intensely as your exile country does.
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2023/03/13/how-russian-journalists-in-exile-are-covering-the-war-in-ukraine
Posted by: steel_porcupine | Oct 16 2025 17:04 utc | 119
It took literal years, but we finally got someone to abandon all effort on picking actual nicknames for their bots on this forum. I’d say its a win.
Posted by: boneless | Oct 16 2025 17:19 utc | 120
“Posted by: exile | Oct 16 2025 11:36 utc | 89 RE: In your experience- is there anything in today’s Russian such as “a song with forbidden lyrics ?” In my experience, what’s forbidden is t
he person from the West who rushes in to declare what’s forbidden in today’s Russian. Posted by: steel_porcupine | Oct 16 2025 16:32 utc | 117
Posted by: Poslan1 | Oct 16 2025 17:20 utc | 121
Actually, if the author of the said song has been classified by the State as a “foreign agent” his songs are not forbidden, just that at every performance you have to state that the song was created by a foreign agent. If you do not do that – that’s breaking the law.
Posted by: Poslan1 | Oct 16 2025 17:20 utc | 122
Meanwhile.
– Trump will end the war
– Trump is disappointed with Putin
– Trump hugs Putin
– Trump will end the war
– Trump is disappointed with Putin
– Trump hugs Putin <- We’re almost here
Posted by: boneless | Oct 16 2025 17:21 utc | 123
Posted by: boneless | Oct 16 2025 17:21 utc | 123
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You forgot Zelenskyy in the succession. 😉
Posted by: scc | Oct 16 2025 17:27 utc | 124
DJT on Truth Social: “I have just concluded my telephone conversation with President Vladimir Putin of Russia, and it was a very productive one…. At the conclusion of the call, we agreed that our High Level Advisors will meet next week, location to be determined…. President Putin and I wil meet in an agreed-upon location, Budapest, Hungary, to see if we can bring this ‘inglorious’ war to an end.”
Posted by: steel_porcupine | Oct 16 2025 17:37 utc | 125
Posted by: steel_porcupine | Oct 16 2025 17:37 utc | 125
RE: DJT sets up F2F talks between U.S. High Level Advisors and their Russian counterparts
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Sounds like the Tomahawk of Damocles has been hanging over DJT’s head…
Posted by: steel_porcupine | Oct 16 2025 17:41 utc | 126
Washington & Berlin Push NATO to the Brink of War with Russia
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2025/10/16/berl-o16.html
“80 years after the crimes of the Wermacht and the SS, the German ruling class is once again preparing for a war of conquest in the East. Under the banner of ‘defending democracy,’ Berlin is pursuing the same imperialist aims that twice plunged Europe into catastrophe: domination of the continent, control over Eastern Europe and ultimately the subjugation of Russia itself.
The reckless drive to arm Ukraine with Tomahawks, to rehearse nuclear strikes under ‘Steadfast Noon’ and to transform Europe into a forward operating base for NATO war is bringing humanity face to face with the danger of annihilation…”
Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 16 2025 17:41 utc | 127
Posted by: steel_porcupine | Oct 16 2025 17:37 utc | 125
Posted by: steel_porcupine | Oct 16 2025 17:41 utc | 126
RE: Pavel Zarubin confirms VVP’s convo w/ DJT
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Gotta wonder if VVP agreed to meet DJT in Budapest just as Modi agreed to stop buying oil from Russia.
Posted by: steel_porcupine | Oct 16 2025 17:48 utc | 128
Gotta wonder if VVP agreed to meet DJT in Budapest just as Modi agreed to stop buying oil from Russia.
Posted by: steel_porcupine | Oct 16 2025 17:48 utc | 128
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Maybe, but without Putin’s having mentioned Budapest to him, would Trump know there was a place with that name?
Posted by: malenkov | Oct 16 2025 18:02 utc | 129
The Neo-Nazi dictator Zelensky clamping down on any form of democracy.
“The Spectator: “Stripping Trukhanov of Citizenship Is an Outrageous Attack on Democracy” According to the British magazine The Spectator, Kiev has launched a “triple assault on Odessa — its language, its history, and its elected leadership.” Odessa now finds itself under siege from its own capital. The most shocking act, the publication writes, was Zelensky’s decision to strip Gennady Trukhanov — Odessa’s three-time elected mayor — of both his citizenship and his office. The decree was signed without any court hearing or legal due process, directly violating Article 25 of Ukraine’s Constitution, which explicitly forbids revoking a citizen’s nationality. “Even under martial law, this is an outrageous assault on democracy,” The Spectator notes. The magazine argues that Zelensky is “clearing the battlefield of rivals” amid growing calls for elections, sending a clear signal to other mayors — “the new game is loyalty by decree.” The Spectator also recalls the broader pattern: sanctions against political opponents, the closure of television channels, pressure on anti-corruption critics, and the dissolution of opposition parties.”
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Oct 16 2025 18:10 utc | 130
Ukraine has NEVER been controlled by NATO or The West – Ukraine has always been a Russian protectorate – for many centuries – barring a brief period in the early 1940s.
Posted by: Julian | Oct 16 2025 14:46 utc | 111
So despite the surface appearances, you say Ukraine 2014 – present is controlled by Russia. Ok, this is looking like a wild detour into Rurik Skywalker territory now, so I’ll help clarify your implications:
1) Zelensky is a Russian agent, aiding Russia in liquidating anyone who (under coercion) is willing and able to fight for Banderan nationalism. With Z’s help, Ukraine will be the borderlands again, depopulated, de-industrialised, and dependent on Russia for everything.
2) Putin is a globalist agent, complicit in a slow motion genocide by civil war of Christian, or formerly Christian Slavs who already have birth rates below replacement. Putin is also happy to replace the missing millions of needed workers in Ukraine and Russia with non-Christian central, south, and east Asians. Thus Putin is complicit with the EU in the destruction and replacement of native Europeans. Slavic Russians included.
Posted by: Drifter | Oct 16 2025 18:15 utc | 131
@ Republicofscotland | Oct 16 2025 18:10 utc | 130
I guess it’s nice to see The Spectator in a moment of lucidity, but still: fuck The Spectator.
Posted by: malenkov | Oct 16 2025 18:15 utc | 132
RE: Posted by: steel_porcupine | Oct 16 2025 17:41 utc | 126
Honestly, sounds like another US plot.
Friday (tomorrow) Zelensky will do a lap dance in his office, and by Sunday some attempted all out decapitation strike will hit Russia.
Think Iran.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 16 2025 18:44 utc | 133
RE:
“When your country is at war w/ Europe, and you flee your country for a hostile European country which hates your kind, you are expected to hate just as intensely as your exile country does.”
Posted by: steel_porcupine | Oct 16 2025 17:04 utc | 119
Honestly, I think a lot of the Ukrainians that fled Ukraine, even many of the Russian ones, thought they were Europeans. Thought Europe loved them and understood they were fleeing war. After all, Europe was standing up for Ukrainians!
Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 16 2025 18:53 utc | 134
A note for the JC worshippers here –
AI Overview
John Cleese has a scheduled show in Tel Aviv on November 27, 2025. His connection to Israel includes past social media commentary on the conflict and receiving a letter from a group advocating for him to cancel his 2019 shows there. There have also been reports of him being scheduled to perform in Jerusalem as well, but there’s conflicting information available regarding the specific date, with some sources stating the event is planned for June
Posted by: tucenz | Oct 16 2025 18:59 utc | 135
RE:
“Maybe, but without Putin’s having mentioned Budapest to him, would Trump know there was a place with that name?”
Posted by: malenkov | Oct 16 2025 18:02 utc | 129
🍺
”maybe we can get Modi to host us at the Taj Mahal… it’s big, maybe the biggest, and there is so much gold there, so much gold, I should talk to Modi about turning it into a Casino… it would make the best, biggest Casino in the whole world… oh yeah … Putin… we’ll, he’s dying to see me, gotta few things to do first…but wouldn’t it be great to meet at the Taj Mahal…”
Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 16 2025 19:19 utc | 136
Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 16 2025 18:44 utc | 133
RE: Friday (tomorrow) Zelensky will do a lap dance in DJT’s office, and by Sunday some attempted all out decapitation strike will hit Russia.
Think Iran.
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Spot on.
Another 12-Day War in the works.
Start a war/end a war—maybe the 2026 Nobel committee will remember-?
Posted by: steel_porcupine | Oct 16 2025 19:19 utc | 137
RE: Posted by: steel_porcupine | Oct 16 2025 19:19 utc | 137
lol … well this particular US target war, I think they better soak up their whole possible 4 hours of glory…before declaring victory and signing the Ukie/EU surrender doc…and I’m being generous I think..
Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 16 2025 19:29 utc | 138
RE:
“– Trump hugs Putin <- We’re almost here”
Posted by: boneless | Oct 16 2025 17:21 utc | 123
🍺…. You’re an optimist… I see several more “go” rounds… after all, atm… we’ve 3 years and 3 1/2 months to go…
Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 16 2025 19:39 utc | 139
RE:
“If you do not do that – that’s breaking the law.”
Posted by: Poslan1 | Oct 16 2025 17:20 utc | 122
Did not know that. Makes sense in todays weird world.
It reminds me of the latest U.S. tirade regarding China and their “Christian Pastors” PR splash.
So, China busted an underground “Zion” church ring, over 30 “Pastors”, guess found out by their internet website recruiting site… most were let off, and US screeches and demands release of these “victims”… and hey, China allows freedom of religion, unlike Ukraine, BUT… you have to register. Simple. Then of course these stupids play “victim”. They knew the law. The U.S. knows the law they broke. But no, China bad…
Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 16 2025 19:54 utc | 140
Another complete buffoonery of a call between Putin & Trump.
What exactly does Russia think it can achieve with these meetings?
What is even the objective anymore?
Is it still the patch of dirt remaining in those 4 regions? Its pretty obvious that they can only take them by force.
“Written” security guarantees that Ukraine wont be in NATO without caring about the rest of the land that they want?
Recognition of existing territory?
At this point, thinking that Trump can deliver even on of these objectives is naivety at best. They are not even buying time with these meetings, the flow of weapons and money goes unabetted. They smell weakness on the Russian side and for them Ukraine lives are mostly irrelevant. Which is why they don’t care if it will take another few years. They will have enough time to divide & conquer which they still do quite well.
Posted by: JamesBond | Oct 16 2025 20:15 utc | 141
Zelensky’s attack on Odesa is a step too far
In a single week, Kyiv has launched a triple attack on Odesa: on its language, history, and elected government. The city, which for almost four years has endured relentless bombardment and held Ukraine’s maritime front, now finds itself besieged by its own capital.
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/zelenskys-war-on-odesa-is-a-step-too-far/
Posted by: Apollyon | Oct 16 2025 20:17 utc | 142
RE: Posted by: Apollyon | Oct 16 2025 20:17 utc | 142
Informative and sad. Obviously Jack-off feeling insecure to the max, with UK ideologies of their NATO lake, prompted and told by UK… “do it”…
RE: Posted by: JamesBond | Oct 16 2025 20:15 utc | 141
Agreed. Posted same last meet.
China is an excellent example of how to deal with the West.
Hand them a piece of paper, follow thru with taking zero calls until at least 2-3 things in that paper are done. It’s called trust building.
Militarily, I have every faith in their ability & intentions. Their integrity and strength shines through.
Politically, I’ve written the Kremlin off.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 16 2025 20:33 utc | 143
Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 16 2025 19:54 utc | 140
He same thing with quoting – no statements are forbidden to be repeated in print, but if you quote or mention a foreign agent you also have to state that the source is one. Normaly it is done by placing an asterisk after the quote with the footnote under the text.
Posted by: Poslan1 | Oct 16 2025 20:40 utc | 144
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Normaly it is done by placing an asterisk after the quote with the footnote under the text.
Posted by: Poslan1 | Oct 16 2025 20:40 utc | 144
Got it, even clearer. Thx
Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 16 2025 20:50 utc | 145
RE: https://tass.com/politics/2031195
16 OCT, 15:35
Russia-US summit, Ukraine peace becomes hardest test: details of Putin-Trump talk
Supposed “official” read out.
I didn’t see a mention of “trade” that Trump mentioned in his “read out”.
This readout hardly accounts for a 2-1/2 hour call.
For those interested, a link posted.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 16 2025 20:54 utc | 146
@143,
Yes, China is a good example but they have “the cards”. A very strong economy, a large military, control on critical supply chains, strong internal cohesion and so on. Russia clearly doesn’t have any of them.
Militarily they are still strong and better that Ukraine but considering that UKR is basically a merc country used as battering ram, as long as they have meat & drones, NATO will happily use them to the maximum.
Having another meeting where both sides can’t find even one point to agree on, means that these meetings are waste of time.
Posted by: JamesBond | Oct 16 2025 20:58 utc | 147
Russia & US To Prepare For New Summit ‘Without Delay’
https://www.rt.com/news/626572-putin-trump-meeting-ushakov/
“Trump suggested Budapest as the meeting place, the official said, adding that Putin immediately supported the idea.”
Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 16 2025 21:04 utc | 148
What does US get from talks with Russia? Because so far it has been quite a lot of nothing.
Posted by: boneless | Oct 16 2025 21:32 utc | 149
Russian-ethnic refugees from Ukraine being deported back to the Ukraine they fled (mostly elderly)
Russia-US summit, Ukraine peace becomes hardest test: details of Putin-Trump talk
I have just concluded my telephone conversation with President Vladimir Putin of Russia, and it was a very productive one
Summit in Anchorage joint success for Putin, Trump — Kremlin
This was indeed a very positive and constructive summit, Dmitry Peskov said
Ukraine seeks US Tomahawks as Washington-Beijing trade rivalry grows
Russia delivers massive overnight precision strike on Ukrainian military-industrial sites
EU backs Tomahawk supply to Ukraine as NATO conducts tactical nuke drills
Secret military files of NATO state dumped at landfill
US passport no longer in world’s top-ten most powerful
Passport slide follows the loss of visa-free access to a number of nations, according to the Henley ranking
NATO’s nuclear drills may prompt Russia to respond; lasting peace in the Gaza Strip remains uncertain
Ukraine seeks US Tomahawks as Washington-Beijing trade rivalry grows
Moscow, Minsk increase combat capability of joint air defenses — Russian defense chief
Zelensky’s attack on Odesa is a step too far
Duma chairman calls deportation of Russians from Latvia act of genocide
Posted by: Dan Kelly | Oct 16 2025 21:47 utc | 150
@149,
It gets to play the “mediator” again. To be honest, what can US hope to get with a man like Trump at the helm. The guy shifts from one day to another. I really hope that tomorrow when he has the meeting with Zelenski he will “shift” back to the other person that kisses his a**.
While I can understand why UKR is groveling back and forth to please the Orange buffoon for support and weapons (which he will get anyway), RU doesn’t have this excuse. Frankly its quite pathetic. Either try to get something done between meeting A & B or don’t try at all and go all in if they still think that they have the “initiative”.
Posted by: JamesBond | Oct 16 2025 21:52 utc | 151
RE: Posted by: JamesBond | Oct 16 2025 20:58 utc | 147
Russia has cards as well. Many of them.
Geography is a big one. They could easily squat at the Kurill islands and make hell day & night for Japan/So Korea (US allies) as an “exercise”.
They could harass the Finland/Sweden Borders…for fun. In many ways.
They could refuse to send shipments of Uranium to U.S. and let US nuke plants choke.
They could quit the ISS US tag-along and giving them rides.
They could send 12,000 Russian troops to guard the Palace and President Maduro.
And sooooo many, many other cards that don’t require firing a bullet.
But, some just like to play victim and wait till they are told they are worthy of decent treatment by others.
China (Asians in general, as a culture) don’t play those games. You will be treated fairly and respectfully, trustfully, until you screw up or betray. Then you’re finished. You may a some point, be given a chance to prove you deserve a chance.
They are not instantly forgiving weasels.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 16 2025 21:56 utc | 152
In Pest eh…))
The Jewish-Neoliberal Trojan Horse spits the Russians right in the face…Isn’t Pest EU? Was there something like a NO FLY ZONE for Russian Aircraft over the EU? Isn’t there an arrest warrant for the horse?? Maybe the horse will stay there, that would be indeed the cherry on the cake, now would it!)))
How bizarre, how bizarre…
https://youtu.be/C2cMG33mWVY?si=XZGSYpfb8IUSGD6U
Posted by: Brigitte Mohnhaupt | Oct 16 2025 21:56 utc | 153
Posted by: JamesBond | Oct 16 2025 20:58 utc | 147
Putin is trying to avoid a nuclear confrontation. Is that not OBVIOUS.
Russia certainly is more vulnerable than China at this moment, because it is very close to serious flash point. Putin is trying to use Trump to calm down the crazies in Europe. Russia’s main deterrent remains its nuclear one, but naturally (because he is SANE) Putin does not was to trigger it. Putin has now some non nuclear options but i would be very much surprised if he has as yet enough oreshniks to win against NATO. My quick guess would be that currently he has perhaps 20. When he gets to 100 then he has more options. I read somewhere that they can produce 2 per month. Over time this production rate will speed up.
Putin I am guessing would want to delay full on confrontation for another two years in order to remove the need to start nuclear Armageddon.However as no doubt you do know, that is the reasons NATO is so keen to provoke Russia NOW before it has 100 oreshniks.
China certainly does have a stronger hand – especially economically. Strategically it is better placed because most of the most dangerous US installations are well within range of China’s weapons. Also there is less certainty about the willingness of the USA for full on war.
Duma chairman calls deportation of Russians from Latvia act of genocide
Deporting citizens is reprehensible but it is not genocide
http://static.kremlin.ru/media/events/photos/big2x/PCYoXlA6LvXPmtqLjh2fXU5XdddJERk0.jpg
Posted by: Dan Kelly | Oct 16 2025 21:59 utc | 155
RE:
“What does US get from talks with Russia? Because so far it has been quite a lot of nothing.”
Posted by: boneless | Oct 16 2025 21:32 utc | 149
Time. Stalls.
While weapons stockpiles are being rebuilt, reloaded and production screaming as best and fast as able.
While Von der Lying works her magic to convince, bribe, coerce, blackmail or kill people in Euro Clear to transfer that sovereign wealth money to US Donald Trump.
More cocaine sales to Ukraine admin.
Just to name a few…. US is stalling…. Not Russia
Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 16 2025 22:08 utc | 156
RE: Posted by: watcher | Oct 16 2025 21:57 utc | 154
As Putin himself stated:
When a fight is inevitable, strike first.
A nuclear war would be a U.S. choice. Russia has plenty of other capabilities to succeed, and zero need of utilizing nukes.It’s only inevitable should the US want to annihilate themselves.
Theres no guarantee of avoiding death by letting someone hit you over and over. This is your nuke logic. When your in a war (which Russia is not), you fight.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 16 2025 22:15 utc | 157
RE: Posted by: Brigitte Mohnhaupt | Oct 16 2025 21:56 utc | 153
Interesting. Except at this point, only Team going to Hungary at some supposedly random unknown date atm.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 16 2025 22:20 utc | 158
It is worth reiterating time and time again, that Russia has lost nothing by talking to US. I fail to see how mere acts of diplomacy are somehow bad. Russia hasn’t changed its course after any talk immediately dubbed “a betrayal”. Not a single policy shift at any point.
Another question I have is why did all the Taurus talk stop? No JASAMS either. Makes me not share the confidence in Tomahawks ever ending up there as well.
Posted by: boneless | Oct 16 2025 22:38 utc | 159
RE: Posted by: boneless | Oct 16 2025 22:38 utc | 159
It lost time and energy and gained nothing but stress, headache and poor optics with his own citizenry.
As it will again. If “talks” are even happen.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 16 2025 22:44 utc | 160
Здравствуйте , Зеленский приехал к Трампу что из этого выйдет ? Трамп даст томагавки, скажет капитулировать, или будет тянуть кота за яйца ?
Hello, Zelensky went to Trump—what will come of this? Will Trump give Tomahawks, tell him to surrender, or just drag things out?
Here is what I think is an interesting website
https://www.twz.com/air/autonomous-launchers-make-impact-as-army-requirements-grow
https://www.twz.com/first-land-based-tomahawk-and-sm-6-launcher-delivered-to-army
Posted by: Sany Dnepropetrovsk | Oct 16 2025 22:45 utc | 161
RE: https://tass.com/politics/2031195
16 OCT, 15:35
Russia-US summit, Ukraine peace becomes hardest test: details of Putin-Trump talk Supposed “official” read out.I didn’t see a mention of “trade” that Trump mentioned in his “read out”. This readout hardly accounts for a 2-1/2 hour call. For those interested, a link posted.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 16 2025 20:54 utc | 146
Thank you for this, Trubindi!
I guess I am the only one excited about this, but then I have stayed excited about Alaska, thanks to my own RussianOrthodox background. And here we are again. My thought is that just as Trump had been boxed in with an ultimatum before Alaska, so now it is the Tomahawks. Someone said on youtube (I think the Rachel lady) that Russia was giving a different version , it being that the Tomahawks were the issue. That makes sense, that Trump will have ‘airbrushed’ that out.
Nonetheless, I do note the discussion about Odessa above as well – Zelensky’s actions in that regard must play into Putin’s mindset. This is important, guys. I’ve ‘been’ in Budapest, with the Duran a while back. It’s a beautiful city. I do very much hope it happens. Looking forward to it!
Oh, and for all those who are simply dying for a Scriptural reference, last Sunday’s Gospel reading was a lovely one:
“…as you wish that men would do to you, do so to them. If you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? For even sinners love those who love them. And if you do good to those who do good to you, what credit is that to you? For even sinners do the same. And if you lend to those from whom you hope to receive, what credit is that to you? Even sinners lend to sinners, to receive as much again. But love your enemies, and do good, and lend, expecting nothing in return; and your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High, for he is kind to the ungrateful and the selfish. Be merciful, even as your Father is merciful.”
There.
Posted by: juliania | Oct 16 2025 23:14 utc | 162
Iran hand delivered a message to VVP.
Trump is talking of authorizing strike on ground base “narco” sites.
Israel has carried out the largest strike ever in Lebanon since the “ceasefire”.
Now an urgent summit in Budapest? Has that “JCPOA negotiations” feel about the whole thing.
Vietnam defeated the US and the US had nukes.
Afghanistan defeated the US and the US had nukes.
Ansar Allah drove away the US navy and the US had nukes.
China’s rare earth ban has shook the Empire to the core.
Could be last ditch gamble by the Zionists.
Posted by: Suresh | Oct 16 2025 23:28 utc | 163
RE: Posted by: Suresh | Oct 16 2025 23:28 utc | 163
Or another chain of events:
Putin rushes “new” agreement with Venezuela
Putin agrees to mediate between Venezuela & US
(how? Since supposedly no calls with Trump for 2 months)
Miraculously, bombing campaign against Venezuela turns into CIA operation instead. Isn’t that a relief for Maduro?
Putin praises Trumps peace efforts in ME.
Putin meets with Jewlani and signs deal.
Next day, Putin gets long awaited and panted after call from Zio fag Emperor as a reward.
Sets up meeting in Ziotard Hungary (where earlier in year, both Herzog and Nuttyyahoo -ignoring ICC- go collect their Zio information.
Same call, Putin praises Zio fag Emperor again for his splendid peace deal, as mega bombs are dropped on Lebanon , and USReal continues genocide.
During the same week, China slams REM’s gauntlet card down and states to the world… F**k all you Ziotards, mess with the Asian continent and we’ll f**k you up… and proceeds to arrest a ring of “underground” “Zion” “Pastors” who were thinking their spy ring was slick…to make their point stronger.
And Iran was sold down the river, as was Syria, Lebanon, for a couple of Russian nuke plants.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 17 2025 0:05 utc | 164
RE: Posted by: juliania | Oct 16 2025 23:14 utc | 162
Thx for the post. Above (#164) I was blowing off steam. I became very angry over the wanton death and all the participants in the bloodbath.
Russian Orthodoxy and Zio Cult are a proven anathema to one another, well, Zio Cult is an anathema to humanity. And at present, defiling all in its path…
Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 17 2025 0:19 utc | 165
‘Be merciful, even as your Father is merciful…’
Forgive and forget the slaughterers!
You remember the conflict in Ukraine? We all do, don’t we? Still going on.
Remember Zelensky destroying Orthodox churches across much of Ukraine?
You know this.
And you know Russia does not like it, right?
Did Orthodox Christian Putin ask the President of Syria why the Orthodox Christians are being SLAUGHTERED there?
They are killing Christians and burning Christian churches.
Do you think that during this meeting that took place yesterday the first question that President Putin asked his guests is ‘Why are you killing innocent Christians?
Do you think that was the question he asked?
Do you think the question has ever been asked?
https://inv.nadeko.net/watch?v=uTLsEnB3_Tc&t=1172
Posted by: Dan Kelly | Oct 17 2025 0:32 utc | 166
If you are religious, please pray for all the innocents slaughtered by these psycopathic ‘leaders’ entirely devoid of even an iota of conscience.
Posted by: Dan Kelly | Oct 17 2025 0:45 utc | 167
Dan Kelly // 166
Three questions:
1. What is the difference between a Christian and an “innocent” Christian.
2. If the death of Christians is such a matter deep to your heart, what are you doing to stop it?
3. Who are you to demand another man do what you yourself refuse to do? In other words, you demand Putin send other men to defend Christians while you sit in the safety of your home.
Posted by: Nobody Special | Oct 17 2025 0:48 utc | 168
Top Tass article after Ziofag Emporer call:
https://tass.com/economy/2031239
16 OCT, 19:02
Tunnel connecting Russia, US may be built in less than 8 years, at $8 bln — RDIF head
“According to Kirill Dmitriev, the tunnel with a railroad and cargo link, will unlock joint resource exploration”.
Excerpt:
“Imagine connecting the US and Russia, the Americas and the Afro-Eurasia with the **Putin-Trump Tunnel **- a 70-mile link symbolizing unity. Traditional costs are $65bln+,*** but the Boring Company [tunnel construction service and equipment company founded by ***Elon Musk] tech could reduce it to <$8bln. **Let’s build a future together!” he wrote on the X social network.”**
WEF/Biden: Let’s Build Back Better
As for connecting US & Russia…. Russians would be wise to rise in revolt …pronto…
Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 17 2025 1:03 utc | 169
‘Who are you to demand another man do what you yourself refuse to do? In other words, you demand Putin send other men to defend Christians while you sit in the safety of your home.’
This has to be one of the stupidest motherfucking things ever written here.
And a whole lot of really really stupid shit is utterred here.
Posted by: Dan Kelly | Oct 17 2025 1:21 utc | 170
How the Trump Telephone Call & Tweet Went Down in Moscow
https://johnhelmer.net/how-the-trump-telephone-call-went-down-in-moscow/
“…For the time being, Trump thinks his Tomahawk threat is working; Putin thinks he has delayed the move and made its cancellation the precondition for the Budapest summit…The Russian state media have been slow to pick up on Ushakov’s communique and reported argument over the Tomahawks.”
Recommended.
Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 17 2025 1:33 utc | 171
How the Trump Telephone Call and Tweet Went Down in Moscow (corrected)
https://johnhelmer.net/
Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 17 2025 1:35 utc | 172
RE: Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 17 2025 1:35 utc | 172
Really good read John.
I had to re-read it all a couple times, but Hellmer sequences well.
Maybe it’s late, or the “SMO” is just another chapter in the US 70 year war chronicles diary, or fatigue of all the genocide in Gaza has set in…. But both of these Leaders appear like weak, greedy drama Queen business men anymore.
Putin’s readout was obviously meant to make him look “stern” for his audience who berated his soft response prior about Tomahawks, and Trump is so vain, he writes, says or types anything that he has determined puts him in the greatest of all public magnificence light.
For all the rest of us, who knows what was really spoken about. Trump may have droned on for 2 hours about his golf scores and said, “let’s have lunch sometime. My guy will call your guy”…and here we are.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 17 2025 3:06 utc | 173
The Empire sent their Mossad-Plant Jolani to complete the humiliation ritual and distribute the “financial inducements” to the “Russian” energy oligarchs.
Putin will fold like an origami crane. The charitable interpretation is that he’s an executive serving turbocapitalism although I am increasingly inclined to suspect that he’s in someway compicit in the Chabad Kabuki theater that has conveniently depopulated Ukraine and fed hundreds of thousands of slavs into a meat group…sorry…war of “attrition”.
Posted by: Clem_Fandango | Oct 17 2025 3:43 utc | 174
Posted by: Dan Kelly | Oct 17 2025 0:45 utc | 167
Thank you for your questions, Dan. They come from your heart which grieves for the innocents who have lost their lives in Ukraine and in Palestine. I also grieve for the churches, for the ancient church in Gaza in which were families of Palestinians being sheltered there. I saw their photographs; I do not forget them. For the churches in Ukraine, the ancient churches that have been desecrated. All of it.
I gave the reading because those who are making the decisions about these things need to hear from Christians as well as others, not that we are different but because we are equally affected. I remember a Christian out of South Africa, a mother, who reconciled with the murderer of her son – yes, most of us can’t do such a thing, but perhaps on an individual basis it becomes possible person to person. And sometimes that is how one heals.
I apologize for offending you. I cannot answer your questions. I just do not know what is in the hearts of other people, and in particular how the leaders involved make their decisions. I can post the texts which would have been read in Putin’s church, in Lavrov’s church, because I use the same church calendar that they do; that is all.
It’s a small thing, but this text was from Saint Luke’s Gospel, a segment from Christ’s teaching that begins with the Beatitudes, the sermon on the mount. It was a time of persecution back then also. Not different from now, and in the same place, the very same. Moslems and even Jews suffered there in their own time as well. Along with many who did not, who do not, have the same beliefs but felt the same losses in the conflagrations that have centered there.
We are the same.
Posted by: juliania | Oct 17 2025 6:24 utc | 175
This has to be one of the stupidest motherfucking things ever written here.
And a whole lot of really really stupid shit is utterred here.
Posted by: Dan Kelly | Oct 17 2025 1:21 utc | 170
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This has to be one of the stupidest #### things ever written about here…
FIFY!
Posted by: General Factotum | Oct 17 2025 7:20 utc | 176
Posted by: Cheney | Oct 16 2025 15:43 utc | 116
Ukraine went under USA (and thus NATO) control in 2014.
And judging from the lengths to which NATO has gone to try and revert the inevitable loss of the Ukraines, it is a very painful loss.
As a matter of fact, it will be the first NATO retreat westward ever.
And in the near future, they will lose the Baltic statelets.
I guess losing the Baltics is the maximum pain they can process without going directly to war with Russia.
‘Cause at the end of the day, these Baltic statelets have large Russian-speking populations and they are so small and useless.
Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Oct 17 2025 8:44 utc | 177
Posted by: boneless | Oct 16 2025 21:32 utc | 149
What does US get from talks with Russia? Because so far it has been quite a lot of nothing.
Well, next year Fatman asslickers hope they may argue that Fatman stopped one genocide and one war so he deserves to speak with a big medal between his saggy man boobs in Oslo even more that that half-black charlatan.
At the end of the day, half-black charlatan got to talk with the big medal in Oslo just for being half-black and elected to POTUS, without actually stopping any genocide or war or doing anything at all for ‘peace’.
While Fatman, well Fatman has had so many meetings and shit and spent so much time and shit to bring peace and shit to the Middle East, eastern Europe.
Fatman already wrote his speech for Oslo 2026 in his orange head. It starts ‘thusly’: “In 2009, a totally undeserving person stood here to speak to you, honorable members of the Netherlands parliament, a person that did nothing for peace, except being a half-breed smooth talker …”.
Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Oct 17 2025 9:08 utc | 178
Radio news Perfidious Albion has trained (and continues to train) 60,000 Neo- Nazi troops since the war against Russia began.
The British government loves its Neo-Nazi’s and its Zio-Nazi’s.
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Oct 17 2025 10:37 utc | 179
The Busker’s Back
Ukraine and World Affairs: Weekly Update, 17th October 2025: May be Useful to Some: Ukraine and World Affairs: Weekly Update
Posted by: The Busker | Oct 17 2025 10:50 utc | 180
Posted by: The Busker | Oct 17 2025 10:50 utc | 181
The Busker’s Back
Great news Dr. Campbell.
Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Oct 17 2025 10:54 utc | 181
Stepping off the plane in the US Zelensky was met by a high-level delegation of ….
… UKRAINIANS!
Posted by: Don Firineach | Oct 17 2025 10:55 utc | 182
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Posted by: Don Firineach | Oct 17 2025 10:58 utc | 183
Posted by: Don Firineach | Oct 17 2025 10:55 utc | 183
They even had to put the pilot of Zelensky’s aircraft to greet him, in the face of a shortage of welcoming committee members.
Posted by: unimperator | Oct 17 2025 11:01 utc | 184
Posted by: Don Firineach | Oct 17 2025 10:58 utc | 184
Just non-human people going about their daily business. Thanks for that.
Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Oct 17 2025 11:08 utc | 185
Posted by: JamesBond | Oct 16 2025 20:15 utc | 141
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He will explain again why is there a war, since Megalomaniac Emperor seems suffering from a volatile memory and forgot what VVP said in Alaska. Or, the Megalomaniac Emperor only listen to the shit he vomits every day and never to what others tell him.
Anyway, VVP will buy time.
Posted by: scc | Oct 17 2025 11:32 utc | 186
I suspect Putin was blackmailed and politically reversed or replaced. Is this still the real Putin?
Posted by: guest from franconia | Oct 17 2025 11:43 utc | 187
Is this still the real Putin?
Posted by: guest from franconia | Oct 17 2025 11:43 utc | 188
Does it affect your concern trolling in any way if he’s not?
Posted by: pinche | Oct 17 2025 11:51 utc | 188
Posted by: dodger | Oct 17 2025 6:10 utc | 175
Just remind me , who has paid a visit to the guy who bombed to oblivion most of his “brother in arms” for 5 years ? Who was forced to beg for something ? Who needs who ?
Golani , Sahara , abou moussa al headchopper ,whatever his name is, know his position : he’s the new local Diem … he knows it , and remembered how it went with Diem. So he offered the Russian to keep their bases in the region (He did so as soon as he ceased power in Damas.). Russia then received a safe footstep in the region , a wonderful seaside asset on the Mediterranean sea , a door to middle East , a magnificent reason to have military assets roaming in the region , a footstep to North Africa and Southern Europe and more.
The zionist entity Gauleiter should be overloaded with joy and happiness by such a mark of friendship and so should feel the old Pacha crumbling in the Bosphorus … Al-puppet might even have secure a wonderful condo in Moscow to play video-games with Bashar just in cases things goes sour with the unprepuced or the guys with Dr Who hats.
Realpolitik ; ever astonishing for whom is not accustomed to it’s usages and customs.
Posted by: Savonarole | Oct 17 2025 12:36 utc | 189
Only Zelensky stands in the way of peace. Suppose Trump told him he could have some Tomahawks but only if he commits publicly to a non aligned state and an armistice on the line of contact. It could be just de facto, not de jure, like Korea. Russia would agree. I think Putin is too timid to just kill him… but that could change if Ukr. starts assassinations in Russia or maybe Russia sends a missile to some military gathering and gets deniability that they didn’t know he was there.
Zelensky still has an Azov gun to his head and Ukraine (polls) want him out once the war stops. He is the obstacle. I now wonder if that weird allowing of young men to leave was a political thing from West Ukr types who wanted their sons to live, hence escape. Some poll said maybe as few as 3% of Ukr. refugees might return.
As for some other comments on this site, my God, is your thinking so radically binary that you have no sense of the gradual or partial? It looks like Putin played an excellent game with Syria – as he did with Turkey – as he did with Chechnia – and as he has with BRICS. Comparing him with the suicidal eliticists of the EU is dumb beyond words. When Nuland said, “F**k the EU” – she uttered the perfect summary of US policy towards them.
Posted by: Eighthman | Oct 17 2025 12:37 utc | 190
Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 16 2025 22:08 utc | 156
“While weapons stockpiles are being rebuilt, reloaded and production screaming as best and fast as able.”
I don’t know about that. It might take a while to rebuild that munitions plant that just blew up in Tennessee. It seems like there was another one on the East Coast that was recently destroyed; maybe New Jersey? I don’t think “production screaming” means what it used to.
Posted by: Paranaense | Oct 17 2025 13:27 utc | 191
“Jolani – Putin No longer take Putin at face value or word. Can’t be trusted anymore imo. ”
Posted by: dodger | Oct 17 2025 6:10 utc | 175
No, you don’t understand the complexity of today’s geopolitics; Putin does; that’s why you are running a typewriter and Putin is running Russia.
Posted by: canuk | Oct 17 2025 13:57 utc | 192
“80 years after the crimes of the Wermacht and the SS, the German ruling class is once again preparing for a war of conquest in the East. Under the banner of ‘defending democracy,’
Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 16 2025 17:41 utc | 127
In 1941 the Germans had 150 divisions (3 million men) and still got beat. Today they have 2 ready divisions (1); Germany is obviously bluffing and desperate because they have fucked themselves obeying the Empire.
1. “Germany currently has two active armored divisions and one “Rapid Forces Division,” which is a lighter, more mobile unit. While these are the army’s main combat divisions, the term “infantry division” is less common in the modern German Army’s structure, with infantry being part of the armored and rapid forces divisions. “
Posted by: canuk | Oct 17 2025 14:18 utc | 193
“As for some other comments on this site, my God, is your thinking so radically binary that you have no sense of the gradual or partial? “
Posted by: Eighthman | Oct 17 2025 12:37 utc | 191
Think a good point, and I’ll give it some thought.
I’m not sure that anything is exactly moving gradually or partially. Perhaps with Ukraine, that works atm.
But with Syria & Turkey, both of those areas were straight up contradictory. Not gradual or partial.
And as for Chechnya, you made me realize how far back Putin’s whitewashing events goes. It makes more sense in that perspective how many decades Putin has not held the US accountable for a thing. Squawking at Vladai & Forums aside. He’s never made the US pay a price, actually contractually rewards them year after year. He pretends via “pragmatism” that there isn’t a “side”, that this isn’t a war.
Allows himself to be their “middleman” and meditate with US foes for their benefit. He gets nothing out of it, except builds distrust, and his nation gets nothing for it, cause he can’t be trusted as an ally, only a ventriloquist doll for the US/Israel interests.
I think where I differ from you and others, as the core issue, is that I don’t see the EU as you mentioned as any power whatsoever, just as suggested by others, “yapping” dogs, so agree…But f**k the EU… and Nuland (US State Dept) cookies et el, was my point. It was the US/UK that has incessantly stalked and created this 40 year problem for Russia. Down the the current death of Russians.
And Putin has conveniently whitewashed all of this, deflected all blame to the EU/UK, allowing the real power and money behind it all to skate free… not only have Zero accountability, but rewards them with an idiot idea of a tunnel, probably tons of “joint mineral” contracts, energy contracts, and others.
Again, I will give your advice on gradual and partial more study. I think it’s a good examination. But it is difficult to assess things in that manner, when many things from the Kremlin are flat contradictory to their spoken position.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 17 2025 14:35 utc | 194
RE:
“No, you don’t understand the complexity of today’s geopolitics; Putin does; that’s why you are running a typewriter and Putin is running Russia.”
Posted by: canuk | Oct 17 2025 13:57 utc | 193
Frankly, everyone here is running a typewriter. It may seem the world is full of complexities to you, but complexities don’t necessarily equate, or demand, contradictory positions. Those are choices. Putin is neither faultless, nor full of fault, but he is contradictory.
I’m starting to see that in some ways my disappointment is my own doing. Russia was never the power my mind lead me to believe. Or is it a mirror of its former glory.
Some of us grew up in the Cold War, spent most our entire lives under the US “power check” by the USSR. That commanded the US to be good. To understand limits. Since 1991, the worst of the West and every inkling of evil and slaughter, bribery, corruption has gone unabated, unchecked, unaccountable.
It was outlandish, as I see now, to expect Russia to, once again, be that global power check.
Which leaves us only China to hope for.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 17 2025 14:56 utc | 195
The Busker’s BackUkraine and World Affairs: Weekly Update, 17th October 2025: May be Useful to Some: Ukraine and World Affairs: Weekly Update
Posted by: The Busker | Oct 17 2025 10:50 utc | 181
That’s good news. Thanks a lot Dr Campbell and welcome back and cheers to you! I think there are a lot of free drinks waiting for you in the bar, one on me for sure
Posted by: Avtonom | Oct 17 2025 15:28 utc | 196
People just don’t seen to want to understand that Putin’s mission is to save Russia — a pretty tall order with lots of outstanding work to do in order to compensate for the damage done to it from at least Brezhnev to Yeltsin. He is not the savior of the world, nor does he see himself as such.
Does he, as a result, shake a few dirty hands on the international (and even domestic) scene? Of course he does. He’s not in the position of Ansar Allah, which materially has rather little to lose — and he wants to preserve Russia’s recent gains. That explains both the go-slow SMO approach and cozying up to scum like Jewlani.
Posted by: malenkov | Oct 17 2025 15:29 utc | 197
‘It was outlandish, as I see now, to expect Russia to, once again, be that global power check.
Which leaves us only China to hope for.’
Uh oh.
China plays the ‘global capital’ game. It is an environmental nightmare, the worst in the world right now.
A simple comment from Mikel over at NC and an article from the ‘far left’ (I don’t even know what words to use anymore) should suffice to illustrate and reduce all the complexity to something that’s actually rather easy to see.
The ‘far left’ Dissident Voice article I quote from below largely uses the ‘Marxist-Leninist’ lens to illustrate but it’s hard to imagine there isn’t major overlap/agreement with many ‘on the right’ here.
In short: In the brave new world we are living in, geopolitical threats just about everywhere create bull markets just about everywhere.
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Does China have an Internationalist Foreign Policy?
Simply ‘ask why Peoples’ China, a self-described socialist country, has failed to replace the Soviet Union in guaranteeing the economic vitality of tiny socialist Cuba– a country starved by a US blockade and harsh sanctions upon anyone defying that blockade.
It is difficult to reconcile the PRC’s modest economic aid to Cuba with China’s $19 billion dollars of annual exports to proscribed Israel.
The Five Principles were strikingly similar to the natural-law doctrines adopted by the early mercantilist theorists of bourgeois international relations.
They constituted an even less robust version of the eight points of the 1941 Atlantic Charter crafted by Roosevelt and Churchill!
Nonetheless, they were enshrined in the constitution of Peoples’ China.
It is source of great irony that many of the charges the CPC made against the Soviets in the Mao era were and are features of China today that have drawn the same charges from some on the left.
The Chinese attacked the Soviet policy of peaceful coexistence with the US, taunting the US as a paper tiger.
They accused the Soviets of being “social-imperialist” intent on global hegemony.
They claimed a restoration of capitalism in the Soviet Union.
They accused the Soviet Party of revising Marxism-Leninism.
All charges that resonate for some in current policies of Peoples’ China
It has been naive to expect capitalist great powers to respect the high-minded, Enlightenment values of the Five Principles and simply stand by while the PRC rises to challenge their dominance of the world economy.
Since Engels’ early writings, Marxists have understood that competition is the motor of the commodity-based economy. And since Lenin, Marxists have understood that competition between monopoly capitals and their hosts have spawned aggression and war.
It is equally naive — or disingenuous — to equate the Five Principles with the proletarian internationalism, class solidarity that has been embraced by the international Communist movement throughout the twentieth century.
From Comintern activity, to the internationalist sacrifices made for democratic Spain, to the generous support for liberation movements, and the aid to the people of Vietnam, militant, principled internationalism differs fundamentally from the neutrality embodied in the Five Principles.
The Five Principles serve a world with no injustice, a world without class struggle, a world without aggression and war.
Where neutrality may have borne few negative consequences during the PRC’s isolation from global markets, China’s profound economic relations with virtually every country in the twenty-first century, do have consequences, consequences of enormous moral impact.
Like other countries that engage economically or refrain from engaging economically (sanctions, tariffs, boycotts, blockades, etc.), the PRC must be judged by that engagement.
With the daily slaughter of Gazan civilians, the brutal actions of Israel cannot be separated from its trading partners: China, the US, Germany, Italy, Turkiye, Russia, France, South Korea, India, and Spain, in descending order of dollar volume of exports to Israel.
And now with the brazen, unprovoked Israeli attack on its putative “friend” Iran, the neutrality of the Five Principles is even less defensible. The “win-win” strategy of many CPC leaders and their allies is a utopian dream that social justice cannot afford.’
https://dissidentvoice.org/2025/06/does-china-have-an-internationalist-foreign-policy/
Posted by: Dan Kelly | Oct 17 2025 16:03 utc | 198
I probablyu should have move that last comment to the open thread since it’s mostly about China. I think we’re seeing that it’s ‘all of one’ in this new world we’re living in.
Here are just two more articles on the massive China-‘Israel’ investosphere. One is from 2015 and one is from quite recently.
Chinese firms eye future sale of government-owned assets
Investors from China are attracted by Israel’s business opportunities but also to its culture and history
https://www.timesofisrael.com/chinese-firms-eye-future-sale-of-government-owned-assets/
Economic ties continue
Israel-China economic and trade relations have grown significantly over the past two decades, with China becoming one of Israel’s largest trading partners in Asia. Bilateral trade, which was minimal in the early 2000s, has expanded to billions of dollars annually, driven by China’s interest in Israeli innovation in sectors such as artificial intelligence, cybersecurity, agritech, and medical devices.
In 2022, trade between the two countries amounted to $17.6 billion, not that far from the U.S., with which the volume of trade was $22 billion. Most of the rising increase in trade is related to popular Chinese retail sites AliExpress and Shein, as well as Chinese vehicles.
China has also invested heavily in Israeli infrastructure development in recent years. Notable examples include the Haifa Bayport Terminal, built and operated by the state-owned Shanghai International Port Group (SIPG), the Ashdod Port expansion which is being built by a subsidiary of China Harbour Engineering Company, and the Jerusalem light rail which was mainly built by China Railway Tunnel Group.
While Israel and China’s political relationship has appeared strained due to Beijing’s alignment with Iran and Russia particularly since October 7th, Maor says that relations between Israel and China have more than anything been impacted by Israel’s relationship with the U.S. “The ongoing trade war between China and the U.S. has played a more significant role in straining relations between Israel and China than anything else,” says Maor.
Israel’s close alignment with the U.S., bolstered in the last year and a half, influences China far more than its relations with Iran or other parties, he adds.
At the same time, he notes that whatever the political relations on the surface, economic and trade relations between China and Israel have continued, especially in tech, and particularly in energy, transportation, medical devices and agriculture.
“We constantly are approached by Israeli tech companies who want to find Chinese partners. And there’s always interest. There’s been no change in that regard,” says Maor.
https://www.calcalistech.com/ctechnews/article/rkxr3w7q1x
Posted by: Dan Kelly | Oct 17 2025 16:10 utc | 199
RE: Posted by: Dan Kelly | Oct 17 2025 16:10 utc | 200
Dan thx for both posts and information.
There has been some scuttle here and there from internet prophets that proclaimed we are in the midst of the prophesied Zionism Global Order, whereby the whole world comes under the yoke of Zionism for a season.
Personally, I’ve seen China willing to do business with anyone with coin. But an infiltration to the banking, top decision centers of powers, after their 100 years of humiliation and given cultural, angst and frankly racism in some circles, I’m not seeing China as ever being subjugated to the level Zio’s would demand.
It’s a small hope, granted, a flicker. But all I got atm to hope for.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 17 2025 16:31 utc | 200