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October 14, 2025
China Reacts After U.S. Pushed Netherlands To Seize Chinese Owned Company

This is a a story about a fight between titans in which Europe, due to its leaders stupidity, is the most significant casualty.

Dutch government seizes control of Chinese-owned chipmaker NexperiaPolitico.eu, Oct 13 2025
The move could inflame wider trade tensions between Beijing and the European Union.

The Dutch government has granted itself the power to intervene in company decisions at Dutch-based Chinese-owned chipmaker Nexperia.

The highly unusual step, announced late Sunday, grants the country the power to “halt and reverse” company decisions — meaning Nexperia cannot transfer assets or hire executives without Dutch government approval, according to national media.

The move is a significant escalation in relations between the Netherlands and China and could inflame wider trade tensions between Beijing and the European Union, with Europe caught in the middle of a tit-for-tat chips war between the U.S. and China.

The Dutch have effectively stolen a big Chinese owned company.

The background via Pekingology:

Wingtech Technology is a privately-run, Shanghai-listed Chinese electronics and semiconductor conglomerate headquartered in Jiaxing, Zhejiang Province. It began as an original design manufacturer (ODM) for smartphones and consumer devices and has since grown into one of China’s most prominent integrated technology companies, combining electronics assembly, chip design, and semiconductor manufacturing.

Wingtech in 2019 acquired Nexperia, a Dutch semiconductor firm that was formerly part of Philips’ chip division, NXP. Headquartered in the Netherlands, Nexperia is a global semiconductor company with a rich European history and over 12,500 employees across Europe, Asia, and the United States.

In December 2024, the U.S. Department of Commerce added Wingtech to its Entity List, restricting its access to American components and technology. The U.S. unilateral sanctions threatened heavy losses and forced the Apple supplier to announce, in March 2025, the spin-off of a major part of its operations.

Zhang Xuefeng is the founder of Wingtech and CEO of Nexperia, which closed the 2024 financial year with a total revenue of $2.06 billion.

A successful businessman from China bought the Dutch company. He invested heavily and the company grew with several research and manufacturing sides throughout Europe and the world. The company paid a lot of taxes and the Dutch were happy.

In late 2024 Wingtech was put on the U.S. entity list to block Chinese semiconductor development by cutting it off from U.S. products and technology licenses.

In June 2024 the U.S. planned to extend the entity list. Not only would chip companies in China be prohibited from use of U.S. content but any international company that was 50% or more owned by a Chinese entity would likewise be penalized.

On September 30 2025 the U.S. Commerce Department extended its export restrictions:

A U.S. Commerce Department interim final rule vastly expands the number of entities subject to export control restrictions by extending the Entity List and MEU List restrictions to non-U.S. entities 50% or more owned, directly or indirectly, by listed parties effective as of September 29, 2025.

(The new Chinese export controls on rare earth metals and certain other technologies are a direct response to those new U.S. restrictions.)

The U.S. move cut of Nexperia and other partially Chinese owned companies in Europe from U.S. content.

The Dutch government, which had been forewarned and pressed by the U.S., panicked:

US officials told their Dutch counterparts that the Chinese CEO of Nexperia “will have to be replaced” for the company to be exempt from Washington’s entity list, newly disclosed court documents show.

The disclosure comes after the Dutch government effectively seized control of the semiconductor firm, a subsidiary of the Chinese company Wingtech, forcing a change in management under an obscure law known as the Goods Availability Act.

In doing so, the Dutch authorities removed founding CEO Zhang Xuezheng from his role, sparking fury in Beijing.

Court documents released by the Amsterdam Court of Appeal on Tuesday show that the United States told Dutch officials in June about a forthcoming change in the entity list, which bars American companies from trading with firms on the list.

On Sunday October 12, after the company was seized, Wingtech dropped a bombshell filing with the Shanghai Stock Exchange. It describes how Nexperia’s 2nd level management, under Dutch government pressure, deposed of the Chief Executive Officer and owner of the company:

On 1 October 2025 (Netherlands time), Ruben Lichtenberg, a Dutch national who serves as the statutory director and Chief Legal Officer (CLO) of both Nexperia Holding and Nexperia Semiconductor, filed—with the support of two other executives, Chief Financial Officer (CFO) Stefan Tilger and Chief Operating Officer (COO) Achim Kempe, both German nationals—an urgent petition before the Enterprise Chamber requesting a corporate investigation and immediate provisional measures on behalf of both Nexperia entities.

On the same day, the Enterprise Chamber granted several emergency measures immediately, without a hearing, which took effect at once. These measures included suspending Mr. Zhang Xuezheng from his positions as executive officer of Nexperia Holding and non-executive director of Nexperia Semiconductor; suspending the operation of Article 3 of the Board Rules of Nexperia Semiconductor, which defines the CEO’s duties and authorities; and placing all shares held by Wingtech subsidiary 裕成控股有限公司 Yuching Holding Limited (a Hong Kong-registered company and the sole shareholder of Nexperia Holding) under temporary management by an independent third-party trustee for management purposes, effective until the Enterprise Chamber’s oral hearing scheduled for 6 October 2025 and its subsequent ruling on the request for immediate relief.

Wingtech’s official WeChat blog released a scathing announcement, which was widely distributed in China.

Internal Legal Actions Are a Malicious Extension of External Pressure

Certain foreign executives within Nexperia have attempted to use legal means to forcibly alter the company’s ownership structure.

Their actions are closely aligned with the Dutch government’s administrative directives and, in essence, represent an effort to usurp shareholder rights and subvert lawful corporate governance under the guise of “compliance.”

We strongly condemn such politically motivated attempts to seize control.

We Will Resolutely Defend Our Lawful Rights

Today the Chinese government reacted to the Dutch raid of the Chinese owned company by cutting it off from Chinese technologies and products:

Chipmaker Nexperia, a subsidiary of China’s Wingtech Technology and a major supplier of mature chips for the automotive and consumer electronics sectors, announced on Tuesday that it has been banned by the Chinese Ministry of Commerce from exporting products made in China, including those produced by its subcontractors, after the Dutch government took over the company using a Cold-War-era law to secure Europe’s chip supply.

Nexperia said it is seeking an exemption from the export ban, which could affect Dutch access to its chips. The company operates an 80,000-square-meter assembly site in Guangdong province near Hong Kong, as well as fabrication, assembly, and testing facilities in Germany, the Philippines, Malaysia, and Britain.

If the Dutch government does not retract its decision to practically confiscate Nexperia the company will die. Its business is globalized. Parts of its products are made all over the world. Its products and sales in Europe depend on subcontractor products which are made in China.

The company is important to Europe. It produces some 90 billion bread and butter components per year which flow into other higher value European products. Sure, other Chinese companies will be happy to replace those parts. But where is the win for the Netherlands or Europe in that?

In the trade war between U.S. and China Europe should have stayed neutral. It should not have buckled under pressure from either side but rely on its own substantial trade powers to stay out of the fight. It is a fight in which the U.S. has no chance to win.

It was a huge mistake by the Dutch to submit to U.S. demands and to seize Nexperia. It was a huge mistake for Europe to submit to U.S. demands.

The minions leading Europe who have allowed for this deserve to be fired over their utter strategic stupidity.

Comments

Well, if the EU wants to speed up its self-chosen suicide pact, who are we to quibble? Sometimes you have to go down to gain momentum to get up again. Presuming it will be possible to do that. 

Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Oct 14 2025 15:40 utc | 1

More rules-based order in action.
And everyone reads the headlines and moves on. 

Posted by: Occam | Oct 14 2025 15:41 utc | 2

Chinese communists have mastered the art of advanced capitalism, which is best described as “red in tooth and claw.”

Posted by: mjh | Oct 14 2025 15:43 utc | 3

Long time lurker/reader, first post. Might not be apples to apples, but similar to when Canada kidnapped the CFO/daughter of Huawei’s founder.  This backfired as Huawei effectively ramped up innovation and production of their own chips.  Also, no different when the Europeans allowed Nordstream 2 to be destroyed.  They’re cutting their own throats. 

Posted by: MarcusAurelius | Oct 14 2025 15:47 utc | 4

The drones of the NPC left would certainly want Europe and China to deepen ties against the evil Orange Man: but it turns out the EU is gearing up to go the other way. What a surprise.
 
https://www.nexperia.com/about/news-events/press-releases/update-on-company-developments

Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Oct 14 2025 15:50 utc | 5

Thanks for covering this b
 
Our civilization war is heating up in the China theatre and this is just one example.  The tit-for-tat port charge fees are another example.
 
I have been told but don’t have any proof that China has significant naval presence in Venezuela and the speculation is that it may be enough to help stave off a US attack.
 
The shit show continues until it doesn’t.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 14 2025 15:50 utc | 6

The dutch government has no priority other than the War On Russia, specifically getting the United States to fight europe’s war on their behalf. Again.
The dutch get a pat on the head and brownie points, an I.O.U. to be cashed in when it comes time for the Americans to get stuck in.
Will this do anyone in the netherlands or europe any good? No.
Does anyone of influence and authority in or out of holland care? No.

Posted by: Feral Finster | Oct 14 2025 15:57 utc | 7

The reason Nexperia was stolen is because of Nexperia chips appearing in Russian weapons systems.
I haven’t bothered to look which ones, but it could be media chips, mobile chips, microcontrollers, or something else.
But whatever chips are in question – none of them are leading edge or even special in any way. They are cheap, plentiful processors for consumer goods.
So what is happening is almost certainly an expedited theft of Nexperia to its European insiders, with the driver being “depriving Russia of chips” under the idiotic delusion that these chips are special in any way.
Cue the “washing machine space laser” meme that Glenn Diesen put out last year.
Now it gets interesting: how many billions of European corporate structures are in China right now? Let’s start with the BASF’s 30 chemical plants in China, including the newest: a $10 billion plant in Zhanjian.

Posted by: c1ue | Oct 14 2025 16:01 utc | 8

China has made its move: 
formal non-cooperation with US/”rules-based-order” militarism
That’s how I read their trade letters: they are going to deny cooperation with military production since China is against how that military force is and will be used.
I think this is a second stupid trial balloon after the French temporary seizure of an oil tanker alleged to be part of the shadow fleet or drone fleet. Interestingly I heard that the Chinese had pressed France very hard to let the tanker go immediately.
Just as Russia can seize assets in the Russian Federation to balance out the Euronext robbery, China can seize Dutch/European assets in China to balance out the nexperia robbery.
It seems to fit a theme of factionalization/spheres of influence in the global economy. I expect that breakup to extend to the internet (it already is in terms of DNS blockages, need to use VPNs, banning of social media etc etc).
The big remaining issue is settlement of trade outside the US system. I’ve heard Russia is now asking India to pay in Yuan instead of Rupees.
Great article Bernhard!
I hope this finds you well

Posted by: ockham | Oct 14 2025 16:02 utc | 9

China has already cut off the factory from all sort of support and the refined materials it needed from China.
I doubt EU/Netherlands ‘win’ very much on this but might get smacked on the face with their own companies in China being hit, maybe with additional taxes to fund the lost investment on the factory.
Someone should really consider taking a look at the (secret) bank accounts of Dutch government members. They are all either bribed or extorted somehow, but mostly indoctrinated with blind rage of Russia and China. The blind rage causes them to do self-destructive things. 
Who God wants to destroy, first he makes them mad.

Posted by: unimperator | Oct 14 2025 16:04 utc | 10

(Netherlands time), RubenLichtenberg, a Dutch national who serves as the statutory director and Chief Legal Office……,
 

every.
single.
time.

Posted by: Exile | Oct 14 2025 16:04 utc | 11

The industry catch phrase is ‘supply chain’ and this is even more true with semiconductors. You can not just take over a company and ignore your supply chain. One missing supply chain step and your production goes to zero. A work around is possible but it takes time. It is likely that Nexperia will never recover. They might be able to get some product out, with a lot of effort, but they will not be profitable. China has become the king of mature semiconductors with a network of very good and low cost supply chains. How can they do business without China? I was there in Silicon Valley when we gave away our industry to Asia. It is a little late to think that it was a bad idea now. I certainly thought it was a bad idea at the time. We really enjoyed training our replacements (NOT).

Posted by: meshpal | Oct 14 2025 16:05 utc | 12

Does Philips have any operations in China?

Posted by: MorePain4Cakes | Oct 14 2025 16:06 utc | 13

People run faster when chased by jackals.
 
This will only accelerate China’s ascendancy. 

Posted by: William Gruff | Oct 14 2025 16:09 utc | 14

China exports about $90B in goods and services to The Netherlands. It’s either settled in USD/EUR.   China should demand settlement in RMB. 

Posted by: MarcusAurelius | Oct 14 2025 16:15 utc | 15

Does Philips have any operations in China? #13
Yes, Shell, DSM, Heineken and Philips to name a few. 

Posted by: MarcusAurelius | Oct 14 2025 16:16 utc | 16

The birthplace of the ideology of unfettered capitalism resorts to governmental authority to steal a company producing ‘mature chips’ for Europe’s declining manufacture sector to appease President Trump.   

Posted by: Keme | Oct 14 2025 16:18 utc | 17

Posted by: c1ue | Oct 14 2025 16:01 utc | 8
Good points.
“According to China-Briefing, platform for business intelligence on China, there are around 4000 Dutch enterprises in China including ING, Rabobank, Philips, Friesland Campina etc. with a total investment of $25B as of 2021”.
https://shanghai.bencham.org/news/exploring-dutch-chinese-de-risking-dynamics-2024
 
And also, according to the article, the Dutch have since adopted a ‘de-risking’ attitude to China, including less dependence for rare earths and similar. Good luck with that one, unless they are just making toothbrushes.

Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Oct 14 2025 16:19 utc | 18

China should demand settlement in RMB. 
Posted by: MarcusAurelius | Oct 14 2025 16:15 utc | 15–
 
THAT would speed up dedollarization.

Posted by: MorePain4Cakes | Oct 14 2025 16:21 utc | 20

This will only accelerate China’s ascendancy.

Posted by: William Gruff | Oct 14 2025 16:09 utc | 14
 
And hasten Europe’s decline. This kind of move will be noted by boardrooms all around the world, and becomes a risk factor to be considered when making decisions about invest-able locations.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Oct 14 2025 16:23 utc | 21

b I am very impressed with your comprehensive post on this issue.
Thanks

Posted by: canuk | Oct 14 2025 16:23 utc | 22

Posted by: MarcusAurelius | Oct 14 2025 15:47 utc | 4
 
Excellent analysis-please post more often.

Posted by: canuk | Oct 14 2025 16:24 utc | 23

Some of the Australian Eucalyptus require a bush fire to go through before the seed pods will open. After he fire has gone, the seeds fall in the ashes.
 
Europe every few generations self destructs. Seems like madness to me but it will be turned to ashes again before it returns to normalcy and sanity.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 14 2025 16:25 utc | 24

Pearl Harbour happened after Japan was cornered by US (oil) sanctions, with China and Korea occupation still in full swing. Just saying.

Posted by: MorePain4Cakes | Oct 14 2025 16:27 utc | 25

China exports about $90B in goods and services to The Netherlands. It’s either settled in USD/EUR. China should demand settlement in RMB.
 
Posted by: MarcusAurelius | Oct 14 2025 16:15 utc | 15
 
#######
 
That’s coming.
 
12 months ago, it was “everyone needs America’s market,” and the reality has become “everyone needs China’s production”.
 
The Chinese have more economic leverage than anyone ever has.
 
No need for kinetic conflict, the Chinese run the global economy and have done so for years.
 
Don’t want to play along?
 
Ok.
 
Go to your room without supper. It is your choice if you want to cut yourself off from China.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 14 2025 16:27 utc | 26

“Now it gets interesting: how many billions of European corporate structures are in China right now? Let’s start with the BASF’s 30 chemical plants in China, including the newest: a $10 billion plant in Zhanjian.”
Posted by: c1ue | Oct 14 2025 16:01 utc | 8
 
Exactly-I am quite confident that China holds more leverage on European corporate assets in China than China has in assets in  Europe.
 
It’s if all Euro leaders, with the notable exception of Orban and the Slovakian guy, all took ‘stupid pills’ around 2020.

Posted by: canuk | Oct 14 2025 16:28 utc | 27

… before it returns to normalcy and sanity.
 
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 14 2025 16:25 utc | 24
 
#####
 
When has Europe ever been normal and sane? Serious question.
 
This is a moment where canuk can use his Wikipedia/AI posting to cite Westerners writing Western history.
 
Colonialism, Empire, and genocide (so many genocides) are not sane or normal. They are literally asocial and insane. Anti-human.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 14 2025 16:30 utc | 28

Long time lurker/reader, first post. Might not be apples to apples, but similar to when Canada kidnapped the CFO/daughter of Huawei’s founder.  This backfired as Huawei effectively ramped up innovation and production of their own chips.  Also, no different when the Europeans allowed Nordstream 2 to be destroyed.  They’re cutting their own throats. 
Posted by: MarcusAurelius | Oct 14 2025 15:47 utc | 4

 
In the Canadian example, Canadian farmers also lost billions in agricultural sales to China – canola or soy beans I forget which – which Canada’s US neighbour to the south promptly scooped up for themselves. The irony is delicious as it was the US regime that ordered/put Canada up to the legal kidnapping of Huawei CFO Meng Wanzhou in the first place. 
.The current Canadian regime of Mark Carney, having belatedly recognized that putting all of Canada’s eggs in one basket is a losing strategy with the ungrateful tyrant to the south, is busy trying to smooth things over with China so as to help Canadian farmers and industry make some sales. .But can Canadian politicians and intelligence agencies and mass media restrain their anti-PRC bigotry long enough?  I wouldn’t bet on it. 

Posted by: NH | Oct 14 2025 16:37 utc | 29

The minions leading Europe who have allowed for this deserve to be fired over their utter strategic stupidity.

 
I couldn’t agree more, b, the minions should be fired out of a cannon into outer space! Without a spacesuit, one by one and in no particular order… 

Posted by: ThirdWorldDude | Oct 14 2025 16:37 utc | 30

Posted by: canuk | Oct 14 2025 16:24 utc | 23
Thank you.  I’ve learned a ton from the barflies over the years.  

Posted by: MarcusAurelius | Oct 14 2025 16:38 utc | 31

The only reason any producer would need US (or EU) consumption is if they need US$ (or euros).
 
But the Chinese have been trying to discreetly unload US$ for years. They need less US consumption. 
China has all the cards. The Empire has no choice but to try and bluff while playing the hand it has. 

Posted by: William Gruff | Oct 14 2025 16:39 utc | 32

(Netherlands time), RubenLichtenberg, a Dutch national who serves as the statutory director and Chief Legal Office……, 

every.single.time.
Posted by: Exile | Oct 14 2025 16:04 utc | 11
 
Yep, every single time. 
 
Israel will soon regret hitching their Fates to a dying Empire that can’t produce enough armaments to feed their lust for blood.

Posted by: Nooneuknow | Oct 14 2025 16:43 utc | 33

Posted by: NH | Oct 14 2025 16:37 utc | 29
I left that “minor” detail out.  Yes, I think it was Pompeo who asked/told the Canadians to kidnap her.  And as you know, it was American companies such as PayPal and GoFundMe that either stole funds for the Truckers/Farmers during Freedom Convoy, or stopped payment altogether.  Talk about poetic justice, the Chinese are now buying ALL their Soy from Brazil rather than the US.  

Posted by: MarcusAurelius | Oct 14 2025 16:47 utc | 34

Posted by: MorePain4Cakes | Oct 14 2025 16:27 utc | 25
 
Exactly.  The US weaponizing oil even back then.  History classes left that part out. 

Posted by: MarcusAurelius | Oct 14 2025 16:55 utc | 35

Don’t fall for the China genocide diversion. It is so passé .
The China genocide is a Western invention.  Even Western journalists have reported that there is no genocide.
Stick to the topic of the thread. Ignore the Pharao-s.

Posted by: JB | Oct 14 2025 16:56 utc | 36

@Nooneuknow | Oct 14 2025 16:43 utc, who said:

Israel will soon regret hitching their Fates to a dying Empire that can’t produce enough armaments to feed their lust for blood.

 
I think it’s more accurate to say that the U.S., along with the rest of the West,  is now realizing how expensive it was, is, and will be to allow ourselves to be so thoroughly co-opted by Israel, Zionism in general, and by the Zionism’s partners in U.K.
 
Note that I said “was, is, and will be”. The costs aren’t nearly tallied up yet. We’re going to sorely regret our naivety.
 
 

Posted by: Tom Pfotzer | Oct 14 2025 16:56 utc | 37

“Colonialism, Empire, and genocide (so many genocides) are not sane or normal. They are literally asocial and insane. Anti-human.”
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 14 2025 16:30 utc | 28

 
Well. of course you don’t bother to  use history in your chaotic rants:the Incas, the Aztecs were Colonialists-the Aztecs executed 80,000 Indigenous subject in 4 days-that’s called GENOCIDE  moron.
 
The Maori-don’t think they were White-Genocided the Moriori in the mid 1850’s. (1)
 
The Zulus were master Genociders-don’t think they were White- their Genocide was so complete they depopulated all their neighbours (2).
 
The Commanches -don’t think they were wjote- committed Genocide against their Indigenous neighbours.
 
All humans, regardless of ethnicity or culture are capable of Genocide as I have shown above.  Your chronic racism accusing only White men of Genocide despite  history illustrates that hate, envy and bitterness is your sole moral compass.
 
You are a complete joke
 
 
1.”The Moriori genocide was the mass murderenslavement, and cannibalism[1] of the Moriori people, the indigenous ethnic group of the Chatham Islands, by members of the mainland Māori New Zealand iwi Ngāti Mutunga and Ngāti Tama from 1835 to 1863. The invaders murdered around 300 Moriori and enslaved the remaining population.[2] This, together with diseases brought by Europeans, caused the population to drop from 1,700 in 1835 to 100 in 1870.[1][3] The last full-blood Moriori, Tommy Solomon, died in 1933. There remain just under a thousand people of mixed descent who identify as Moriori.”
 
2. Historians argue that the actions of Zulu kings like Shaka and Dingane in the early 1800s, which involved the widespread killing of civilians to expand and maintain the Zulu kingdom, could be considered a genocide under international law. While the term “genocide” is debated, historical evidence points to a period of immense violence against neighboring groups as the Zulu kingdom grew. 

 

  • Expansion and control: 
    During the early 1800s, kings like Shaka used military tactics to conquer and integrate neighboring groups, leading to widespread conflict and displacement. 

     

  • Violence against civilians: 
    Historians have documented large-scale killings of civilians as a result of these expansion efforts. ”

Posted by: canuk | Oct 14 2025 16:57 utc | 38

Yesterday, Global Times published an editorial about this event I suggest reading: “many have described such actions as “21st-century piracy.”
 
The Outlaw US Empire will force all its slaves to act similarly. IMO, we’ll soon see the expropriation of Western assets located within China if this continues. As for the potential meeting between Xi and Trump at APEC in November, that seems extremely doubtful at the moment. It’s in South Korea. And for those who haven’t yet, I highly suggest this Warwick Powell essay which many will find fascinating.  

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 14 2025 16:57 utc | 39

Israel will soon regret hitching their Fates to a dying Empire that can’t produce enough armaments to feed their lust for blood.
 
Posted by: Nooneuknow | Oct 14 2025 16:43 utc | 35
 
######Parasites don’t always get to choose the best host. The Zionists are behind the wars, the debt, the human trafficking, and the woke mind virus.
 
Ironically, all of the things that MAGApedos claim to be against, and yet today, they still worship the golden calf.
 
People can be nuts and people under Zionist influence are dangerous to everyone.
 
China is cracking down on Zionist infiltration via Protestant churches. The DPRK has banned Zionism. Zionists face a death sentence under Chairman Kim.
 
American Judeo-Christians? Feeding their sons into Israel’s wars and daughters to the Epstein Industrial Complex.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 14 2025 16:57 utc | 40

31) 
I’m shocked to see a person at this bar still touting the Uyghur genocide hoax, the western MSM and even the UN and US government have now  dropped this evidence free narrative. By your approximation, not counting ETIM members that carried out acts of terrorism and were given the death penalty, how many Uyghurs are confirmed dead in this supposed genocide?

Posted by: James C | Oct 14 2025 17:00 utc | 41

Exactly.  The US weaponizing oil even back then.  History classes left that part out. 
Posted by: MarcusAurelius | Oct 14 2025 16:55 utc | 38
 
Today the Emperor is naked, US has no cards left. No weapons but nukes. What will happen when reality and desperation strikes?

Posted by: MorePain4Cakes | Oct 14 2025 17:01 utc | 42

Posted by: Nooneuknow | Oct 14 2025 16:43 utc | 35
 
Israel (Eastern European Jews) was conceived by the City of London.  With silver vaults emptying at the LBMA, Gordon Brown selling UK gold for pennies on the dollar, and de-dollarization in stealth mode, they’re both tied at the hip, and will go down with the ship.   It’s no secret the Anglos, Americans and Zionists are ramping up normalization of Bitcoin and Stable coins.  The US and UK are one of the largest holders, along with the NSA, and BlackRock too.  Its the only hand they can play. 

Posted by: MarcusAurelius | Oct 14 2025 17:03 utc | 43

The European Union is considering forcing Chinese companies to hand over key technologies if they wish to operate within the bloc, according to Bloomberg.
The proposal would apply to firms entering major European technology sectors, including battery production and the automotive industry.
https://tgstat.ru/en/channel/@DDGeopolitics/163031
 
This would have been funny if it wasn’t so tragic. The EU kakistocracy making demands from a position of weakness (Trump just affirmed it for the record) right after doing a heist on China. Prevailing delusion, grandeur and idiocy will revert Europe back to the middle ages.

Posted by: xor | Oct 14 2025 17:03 utc | 44

Posted by: James C | Oct 14 2025 17:00 utc | 44
 
Thanks for the reality check, James.

Posted by: canuk | Oct 14 2025 17:09 utc | 45

you think you can come to MY hotel and take over?!” ―i m Moe Greene
 
 
tik tok tik tok 
lucky larry luck larry oracle
kushner chabad crime clan
 
or peter thiel lavender palantir can make china man an offer they cannot refuse
666 dollars a one time offer.
 
just like china and russia soon at the united nations on gaza they will take the deal.
did anyone here the head suit from pakistani talking about trump and some here thought that the pakistani would help persia 
what a shoah
 

Posted by: normal wisdom | Oct 14 2025 17:12 utc | 46

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 14 2025 16:57 utc | 42
 
And 10 Chabad’s in China.  China should shut them all down.  

Posted by: MarcusAurelius | Oct 14 2025 17:20 utc | 47

Posted by: MorePain4Cakes | Oct 14 2025 17:01 utc | 44
 
The elites will either flee to their subterranean bunkers under Denver Airport, New Zealand or east coast of Australia.  

Posted by: MarcusAurelius | Oct 14 2025 17:22 utc | 48

b wrote,

The minions leading Europe who have allowed for this deserve to be fired over their utter strategic stupidity.

I’m not sure that their actions are out of stupidity. Those actions seem to have in common that they undermine the industrial, agricultural, economic, social, and overall viability of the minions’ societies, of which the World Economic Forum and its ilk would undoubtedly approve.

Posted by: David Levin | Oct 14 2025 17:22 utc | 49

Does Philips have any operations in China?
Posted by: MorePain4Cakes | Oct 14 2025 16:06 utc | 13
everything phillips does today is based on china all those factories labs science electronics manufacturing plants have been knocked down and made into migrant housing systems for the new 15min city gaza style kill grids.
phillips is more a branded name for product license today still worth 10s of billions it cannot exist without china now.everything  manufacturing netherlands belgium based is gone 
the dutch  royal families and the rothsteins hollowed it all out in the 1990s
gone just gone 

Posted by: normal wisdom | Oct 14 2025 17:23 utc | 50

US trading block vs China trading block has been the war for 5 years.Europe shot itself in the foot right from the start in refusing to consider an ambiguous position rather than a 100% US loyal position.It will cost us dearly.Nexperia will accelerate the move for neutral countries around the world away from ambiguous positions to strongly pro-China relations.Today was hi tech and Holland.  Tomorrow perhaps Peru and Chile and their copper mines.  Western Sahara and its phosphate reserves.  Korean ship building.Of course the Ukraine war and the destruction of NS1&2 was part of the trading block war too.

Posted by: Michael Droy | Oct 14 2025 17:25 utc | 51

No need for China to go after BASF, a German company.  They have plenty of Dutch companies they can target: Airbus, APM Terminals – a port management company with a presence in seven ports in China, Heineken – has three breweries in China and owns large stakes in Chinese beverage companies, IKEA – founded in Sweden, but now located in the Netherlands, ING – a major banking company, Philips, and others.
 
These provide plenty of targets for highly focused retaliation by China.
 
And there is nothing saying, given the recent actions by the U.S., that China would not seize joint U.S.-Netherlands property such as Peete’s Coffee, or some such low hanging fruit.

Posted by: Nobody Special | Oct 14 2025 17:30 utc | 52

Posted by: Nobody Special | Oct 14 2025 17:30 utc | 54
 
If China wanted to make a statement, and if they have an alternative, they should target German companies for providing Israel with 30% of their weapons for the genocide in Gaza.  

Posted by: MarcusAurelius | Oct 14 2025 17:34 utc | 53

ING – a major banking company, 
Posted by: Nobody Special | Oct 14 2025 17:30 utc | 54

the chinese should take that, and open it up to russias banks. just for shits and giggles.

Posted by: J | Oct 14 2025 17:36 utc | 54

just for shits and giggles.
Posted by: J | Oct 14 2025 17:36 utc | 56
(y) LOL
 
But seriously, changing any billing with EU to Yuan would be a blow similar to the rare earth sanctions.

Posted by: MorePain4Cakes | Oct 14 2025 17:46 utc | 55

Hungary starts issuing Yuan denominated bonds in addition to EUR and USD.

Posted by: unimperator | Oct 14 2025 17:52 utc | 56

https://x.com/HungaryBased/status/1978113574372319470

Posted by: unimperator | Oct 14 2025 17:52 utc | 57

No need for China to go after BASF, a German company.
basf already closed a lot of stuff down and moved to china 
basf cannot afford the gas prices in germany
look china is in on this this is just a zio controlled demolition without the building 7 big bang and the israeli arts projects.
de industrialization and slow kill off
china is not your friend who are the world leaders in digital id india and china
rokerfella skank lockstep 

Posted by: normal wisdom | Oct 14 2025 18:09 utc | 58

Parasites don’t always get to choose the best host. The Zionists are behind the wars, the debt, the human trafficking, and the woke mind virus.Ironically, all of the things that MAGApedos claim to be against, and yet today, they still worship the golden calf.
 
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 14 2025 16:57 utc | 42
 
And what happened to the Hebrews under Moses when they worshipped their golden calf? The earth opened up beneath their feet and destroyed them. Same will happen here.
 
The parasites are out of hosts to move on to now. 
 
What happens to parasites when the host is dead? Don’t they eat each other until the biggest fattest parasite, the only parasite left standing, starves to death? This will happen here as well.
 
Time and Patience. 

Posted by: Nooneuknow | Oct 14 2025 18:21 utc | 59

Simply, exclude any sales of Dutch products (Dutch brands or simply made in the Netherland) in China and simply close off any Chinese export to the Netherland.

Posted by: Dominic | Oct 14 2025 18:23 utc | 60

Ron Unz has published an updated table of relative GDP for nominal, PPP, and productive GDPs. It’s about 1/2 down in this article. 

2024 GDP
2024 GDP ($Millions)
Per Capita Incomes

Country
Nominal
Total PPP
Productive PPP
Nominal
PPP
Productive PPP

China
18,744,000
33,598,000
14,547,934
13,237
23,727
10,274

European Union
19,423,000
24,441,000
6,525,747
42,989
54,095
14,443

USA
29,185,000
25,676,000
4,673,032
85,345
75,084
13,665

India
3,913,000
14,244,000
5,825,796
2,777
10,108
4,134

Japan
4,026,000
5,715,000
1,685,925
32,678
46,387
13,684

Germany
4,660,000
5,247,000
1,395,702
55,398
62,376
16,592

Russia
2,174,000
6,089,000
2,033,726
15,438
43,239
14,442

Indonesia
1,396,000
4,102,000
2,128,938
4,958
14,569
7,561

Brazil
2,179,000
4,165,000
1,120,385
9,902
18,927
5,091

France
3,162,000
3,732,000
705,348
46,245
54,581
10,316

United Kingdom
3,644,000
3,636,000
629,028
53,229
53,112
9,188

https://www.unz.com/runz/donald-trump-as-our-mad-emperor-of-the-bubble/

Posted by: exile | Oct 14 2025 18:25 utc | 61

so much for my formatting – click on link for a readable table. 

Posted by: exile | Oct 14 2025 18:26 utc | 62

Perfidious is war and peace is not a good place to be. The “west” thinks it is indispensable; but it’s not 1913 any more, nor yet 1946. The other, rising countries are watching and learning. 
Who do you want to make long term relationships with, a rising, reliable culture that does not lecture or make unnecessary war and keeps its word? Or a sinking unreliable society that immediately switches to cheating and killing as soon as it falls behind?

Posted by: Caliman | Oct 14 2025 18:27 utc | 63

This is only the first shot guys, just wait til the west starts pirating ships carrying consumer goods from China.
This is a sign that a new phase of economic war is coming. I hope you guys are prepared.

Posted by: Jules | Oct 14 2025 18:27 utc | 64

Posted by: MarcusAurelius | Oct 14 2025 17:20 utc | 49
 
######
 
Judaism and its latest incarnation, Zionism, have never aged well.
 
Sick trees yield rotten fruit.
 
The Zionist West is well past the inflection point, and the momentum is building against it.
 
Even Russia will turn on them. Not yet, but it is inevitable. And woe be unto those that Slavs hate.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 14 2025 18:31 utc | 65

Posted by: Jules | Oct 14 2025 18:27 utc | 66
 
#########
 
When/if the West attempts confiscation, that will literally be the final days.
 
China has all of the cards and has built its own network of relationships that bypasses and exceeds the West.
 
It’s already substantial. In 10 years, global dominance will be a fait accompli.
 
The world will be a Chinese world, however people feel about that.
 
It just will be.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 14 2025 18:35 utc | 66

@ exile | Oct 14 2025 18:26 utc | 64
 
Cheating maybe, but I’ve taken a screenshot, hopefully the new format works with the link:
 
https://postimg.cc/4Y4gLKrY

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Oct 14 2025 18:36 utc | 67

Posted by: Jules | Oct 14 2025 18:27 utc | 66


 
That would be bad. We can get so much more purchasing power for our money purchasing from Alibaba.

Posted by: unimperator | Oct 14 2025 18:37 utc | 68

so much for my formatting – click on link for a readable table. 
Posted by: exile | Oct 14 2025 18:26 utc | 64
 
Germany, productivity PPP per capita – not so easy to bring down a power house. Well, included cheating with shadow and LNG fleet arriving at Rotterdam, I’d guess

Posted by: MorePain4Cakes | Oct 14 2025 18:38 utc | 69

Great article.  This is exactly why the bar is so valuable.  I’ve seen no clear statement on this development until I read it here.  Keep doing it, B!

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Oct 14 2025 18:38 utc | 70

Posted by: exile | Oct 14 2025 18:25 utc | 64
 
Thanks for that.

Posted by: canuk | Oct 14 2025 18:41 utc | 71

Posted by: Jules | Oct 14 2025 18:27 utc | 66
 
The French already got a shot over the bow, when they stopped a Russian tanker in international waters. Released within 24 hours…

Posted by: MorePain4Cakes | Oct 14 2025 18:41 utc | 72

Bloomberg

The European Union is considering forcing Chinese firms to hand over technology to European companies if they want to operate locally, in an aggressive new push to make the bloc’s industry more competitive.
The measures would apply to companies seeking access to key digital and manufacturing markets like cars and batteries, according to people familiar with the plans. The rules would also require the firms to use a set amount of EU goods or labor, and to add value to the products on EU soil.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-10-14/eu-considers-forced-tech-transfers-for-new-chinese-investments

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 14 2025 18:45 utc | 73

Bit of a curiosity with the Unz table, the EU total is given as ~US$6.5 trillion, yet the two nations listed separately, Germany at ~US$1.4 trillion, and France at ~US$0.7 trillion make up roughly one-third of the EU total.
 
Would have been interesting to see the other EU nations listed separately as well.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Oct 14 2025 18:50 utc | 74

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 14 2025 18:45 utc | 75

 
The EU EV car industry got absolutely demolished by Chinese EVs. Now the EU manufacturers have to revert back to ICE engine cars, which will probably last till 2040 at least. Because the EU forced EV transition upon manufacturers almost bankrupted them.
 
EU is mad and they now want to steal Chinese technology. But I suspect this won’t work the way they think. China is capable of absorbing the rest of struggling EU industries, leaving them with some beach resorts on the Med and wh#re houses in eastern Europe for basis of GDP.

Posted by: unimperator | Oct 14 2025 18:50 utc | 75

It just will be.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 14 2025 18:35 utc | 68
 
Hopefully. But I won’t do bets. The inmates are in charge of the asylum.
 
 

Posted by: MorePain4Cakes | Oct 14 2025 18:52 utc | 76

Someone with a better appreciation for computer hardware might be able to explain to me what’s so important about Dutch chip lithography to begin with. I mean, first off, it’s not like the 1.1 billion Chinese people in the world are going to have much trouble replicating this technique, given enough time and funding, which they have plenty of. But also, so what if China can’t produce 2nm chips domestically? What’s the difference between a 2nm western chip and a 5nm Chinese chip? (By the way, China has cracked 2nm lithography, but this hasn’t been commercialized yet by Chinese chip manufacturers, as far as I know). All this hubbub to arrest Chinese development, but what has chip lithography done for the EU, besides give them some temporary profitability boosts from IP rent extraction? “Extreme Ultraviolet Lithography” is not an esoteric technique, it doesn’t require some “western spirit” to discover.
But more importantly, what difference does it make if a computer program runs on a 7nm or a 5nm chip instead of a 2nm one? Let’s put aside the “AI” nonsense, as a, say, weapons targeting platform running some machine learning based assistance program doesn’t require 2nm chips to begin with. Maybe it’ll be cheaper to mass produce “AI” slop, synthetic videos and images, which seems to be the western world’s gambit for continued world domination even though it threatens to undercut (even if with a decline in quality) the “knowledge economy” which allowed western profit rates to sustain themselves through IP rent-seeking. Farm automation, industrial automation, doesn’t need 2nm chips. You could have >30nm chips and do that shit. The western world did. Russia does. China’s newest “dark factories” (which are completely automated and thus don’t require the lights to be on) scare the shit out of western capitalists, who now believe they can’t compete with China as the global workshop, and they don’t use 2nm chips. So really, why would we expect export bans on EUV techniques to China to arrest China’s continued development?
It seems that the leaders of the western world believes that computers are magic. The reactionary commentator Scott Locklin, one of the few reactionaries I pay attention to, calls computers “computards” and smartphones “nerd dildos” for good reasons. While the Chinese seem to equally believe in computer magic, they’ve shown that you don’t need “state of the art” tools to really use computers effectively. The western world is in for a shock as the rest of the world continues to resist western imperialism and finds friends in their chosen enemies.

Posted by: fnord | Oct 14 2025 18:56 utc | 77

American neocon fingers all over this one again. Not long since the leaders of the US threatened The Netherlands with invasion if they arrested Netanyahu and made him appear at the ICJ. Now the Dutch are doing tricks for the master with affective sabotage and theft of another company.  A familiar tale. 

Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Oct 14 2025 18:57 utc | 78

Creative destruction. The new mantra in Europe, acknowledged by the dynamitr prize. Booooom!

Posted by: Naive | Oct 14 2025 19:01 utc | 79

Posted by: MorePain4Cakes | Oct 14 2025 18:52 utc | 78
 
######
 
I don’t bet or predict. I just read the weather.
 
I also apply a filter to check my work.
 
Am I wrong, and how could I be incorrect?
 
I am not seeing anything from the West that communicates that they can turn this around. Too many interests, too little spine.
 
And the clock keeps on ticking…
 
China’s not infallible, but the West isn’t even really trying. They refuse to evolve their economic, social, or governmental structures.
 
Trapped in habits.
 
It’s always habits that are fatal in the end.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 14 2025 19:01 utc | 80

b’sc article was just one country and one company but what’s in that bloomberg is a higher level of madness. Looks like the Dutch move may have just been a pathfinder or a nudge for the EU.
 
The Europeans have completely screwed themself with the war on Russia and the sanctions and now they are going to start and economic war with China?  Looks like the gods want to destroy they Europeans because they are certainly crazy.
 
The latest Nima – Wilkerson video I linked on the open thread about the coming war on Iran – he said that pentagon people or high ranking officers he had talked to fully believed Russia was battling to fight just Ukraine because they weren’t taking much ground.
 
But I think that is across the board throughout the west in the ruling classes – a total lack of awareness about the bigger world. Its as though they think we have ruled the world forever and will continue to rule over without giving a thought to their own economies, own industries, and just how weak and close to destruction the west is compared to the bigger world.
 

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 14 2025 19:04 utc | 81

Posted by: fnord | Oct 14 2025 18:56 utc | 79


 
I guess the best use for 2nm chips is very advanced AI learning, but considering the western AI bubble is about to collapse with trillions in investments vaporizing into thin air, China will have plenty of time catch up.
 
Meanwhile, larger size chips are plenty enough for 99% of tasks.

Posted by: unimperator | Oct 14 2025 19:05 utc | 82

Trapped in habits.
 
It’s always habits that are fatal in the end.
 
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 14 2025 19:01 utc | 82
 
People have habits, Imperialist governments effectively run by a class of billionaire Oligarchs have interests.  Again, we are talking about a ruling class within a particular socioeconomic system, not a bumbling individual and certainly not every inhabitant of a Western nation.  

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Oct 14 2025 19:07 utc | 83

It’s always habits that are fatal in the end.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 14 2025 19:01 utc | 82
 
Not a soothing response.  I only see bad habits  all around.

Posted by: MorePain4Cakes | Oct 14 2025 19:07 utc | 84

Posted by: unimperator | Oct 14 2025 18:50 utc | 77
 
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/gm-taking-big-hit-ev-162803961.html
Bail-ins or bail-outs might be in vogue again in 2026. 

Posted by: MarcusAurelius | Oct 14 2025 19:12 utc | 85

” China Reacts After U.S. Pushed Netherlands To Seize Chinese Owned Company
This is a a story about a fight between titans in which Europe, due to its leaders stupidity, is the most significant casualty.”
Posted by b on October 14, 2025 at 15:33 UTC | Permalink
It really burns Uncle Sam’s butt if “lesser breeds outside the law” some place are prospering and happy. I wonder if mass internment or mass expulsion of Chinese Americans isn’t coming to Trump America.

Posted by: lester | Oct 14 2025 19:14 utc | 86

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 14 2025 18:31 utc | 67
 
It’s a wonder Slavs haven’t gone scorched earth on their Zionist overlords yet.   They’re first in line for payback after the Palestinians. 

Posted by: MarcusAurelius | Oct 14 2025 19:14 utc | 87

thanks b…
 
back from italy now… this article and the last one on europe are very related…  it is surprising to see what a servant europe is to the usa here…. are they the new slavs/slaves?? looks like it… they’ve bowed down to usa destroying nordstream, so this is nothing new… but what is interesting is how spineless and weak kneed the vassals are… 

Posted by: james | Oct 14 2025 19:17 utc | 88

I suppose we could admire the European military ingenuity here, they’ve designed a weapon that only works when they point it at their own feet.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Oct 14 2025 19:18 utc | 89

I just hope the dumbass dictator of the USA (or is it USI?), who I most stupidly believed and voted for, doesn’t utterly ruin my plan to visit China in 2027.  Just like he ruined my visit to nearby Cuba the last time in office  🙁
 
BTW Little Red Note is way better than tiktok

Posted by: cc | Oct 14 2025 19:18 utc | 90

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 14 2025 18:45 utc | 75
 
The irony in all this is that European countries with sizable Gold Reserves (France, Italy, Germany, Netherlands) would make for great partners in BRICS.  China would then open up their REE to Europe.  Alas, Epstein blackmail and Zionism.  

Posted by: MarcusAurelius | Oct 14 2025 19:28 utc | 91

Trapped in habits.It’s always habits that are fatal in the end.Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 14 2025 19:01 utc | 82
 
Yep, habit of plundering others. More than 5 centuries old habit.
 
But when trying to plunder someone stronger than yourself, yes, it will be fatal.

Posted by: Naive | Oct 14 2025 19:30 utc | 92

@ 84
Another thing that’s wild to me about western attempts to preserve Digital Technology Supremacy, so to speak, is that this war in Ukraine has shown pretty effectively that it’s the dumbest possible weapons – bombs strapped to quadcopters – and the dumbest possible strategies – sneaking these suckers into Russia on trucks, for example – that have had the greatest effect in the war. “AI” drones are much spoken of but apparently not too effective on the battlefield, because they’re easily fooled by disguising the quadcopters as, for example, birds. And now EMP pulse weapons are frying their electronics before they can be dangerous to the enemy.
Meanwhile, in the US…
I don’t know if I foresee an imperialist war between the US/EU and China in the next ten years. I could see a lot more covert action, such as strangling Latin American democracy to keep them in an economic relationship akin to what Walter Rodney describes in “How Europe Underdeveloped Africa”, exporting low quality manufactured goods, to the extent that the people there can even afford them, and importing the raw materials needed to produce these things, all at exploitative prices. I can even foresee the US trying to forestall its own economic collapse by self-destructive actions like the bail out of its Latin American compradors, such as Milei. I am much more worried about what happens domestically, as the president is talking about “the enemy within”, designating anyone who disagrees with him as “domestic terrorists”. When Aaron McGruder wrote how the 9 year old Huey Freeman character on the Boondocks was proclaimed a “domestic terrorist”, it was supposed to be dark humor, but this seems to be where we’re legitimately at now in the “land of the free”. Even a low-level insurgency provoked by federal crackdowns on dissent could arrest our already meager GDP growth and forestall much needed investment in the real economy.

Posted by: fnord | Oct 14 2025 19:36 utc | 93

“Rules based order.” They’ve been telling us all along. Yet, somehow we never understood the plain meaning of this phrase. Who makes rules? Rulers. Rulers who are nameless – we don’t even know whom to hang. America is not supposed to have rulers. Not sure about other places though.
 
We need a “laws based order”. 

Posted by: HB Brian | Oct 14 2025 19:50 utc | 94

Ze EU is a worsening failed idea since the Rome treaty and it’s by design. It’s not a bug , it’s a feature.
 
Now this one is just another Imperial violence act in the “Chips war” against China that started around 2010. It’s a part of the “pivot through Asia” policy. It’s again a proxy war manufactured in the US and fought by someone else.
 
The fun part is seeing an empire build on globalism … methodically destroying any possibility for globalism in order to save it’s imperial preeminence. Paradoxes are fun 🙂

Posted by: Hiro Masamune | Oct 14 2025 19:56 utc | 95

We need a “laws based order”. 
Posted by: HB Brian | Oct 14 2025 19:50 utc | 96
 
Did we ever have?
https://rogerboyd.substack.com/p/the-dark-underbelly-of-politics-and

Posted by: MorePain4Cakes | Oct 14 2025 19:57 utc | 96

Posted by: MorePain4Cakes | Oct 14 2025 19:07 utc | 86
 
######
 
I don’t try to soothe or console. Everyone’s emotions are their own.
 
Again, I just read the weather. Even if it hurts or upsets me.
 
What is, is. Wishing different won’t move the needle.
 
I do take some small pleasure in making accurate analyses. If no one likes it, if no one cares, that’s ok. I do it for me, not for anyone else.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 14 2025 20:01 utc | 97

Posted by: Naive | Oct 14 2025 19:30 utc | 94
 
######
 
Every tactic and strategy has an expiry date. There is no perfect intellectual answer for all times and all situations.
 
Evolution has to be constant. Stopping or slowing is inviting disaster, IMO.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 14 2025 20:03 utc | 98

Posted by: MarcusAurelius | Oct 14 2025 19:14 utc | 89
 
######
 
Christianity serves as a pressure relief social mechanism, like voting.
 
It is transferring attention away from the “problem” and pointing it to a nonsensical and ineffective solution.
 
Bait and switch. Slavs were sold on a slave religion that keeps them enslaved, IMO.
 
Christianity has served the Roman Empire, the British Empire, and Pax Americana well.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 14 2025 20:09 utc | 99

People have habits, Imperialist governments effectively run by a class of billionaire Oligarchs have interests. Again, we are talking about a ruling class within a particular socioeconomic system, not a bumbling individual and certainly not every inhabitant of a Western nation.
 
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Oct 14 2025 19:07 utc | 85
 
######
 
There is no “nation” or “class”. Both terms are abstractions and lack precision.
 
You’re right in that there are individuals, which is why I have always rejected class “theory”. 

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 14 2025 20:15 utc | 100