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September 13, 2025
Trump Calls European’s Sanction Bluff

In February 2025 the U.S. started talks with Russia over ending the war in Ukraine. The Europeans were against such talks. They were still dreaming of winning the lost war – of keeping control over Ukraine by providing it with security guarantees.

The Trump administration gave them a lecture in form of a catalog of questions. As I summarized the issue at that time:

The U.S. has recognized that there aren't enough troops, money or will to achieve a better negotiation position for what's left of Ukraine. The European 'elite' still fails to get that.

There are still dreams of 'security guarantees' which would be given to Ukraine after it files for peace or surrenders.

No such guarantees would make any sense. When peace is achieved there will be only one manner that can prevent a new outbreak of war: good behavior towards Russians and Russia by what will be left of Ukraine.

The U.S. negotiation team handed the Europeans a list of questions that will hopefully help them to come to grips with that ..

Here are the questions with answers by me in Italic:

1) What do you view as a Europe-backed security guarantee or assurance that would serve as a sufficient deterrent to Russia while also ensuring this conflict ends with an enduring peace settlement?

There is no Europe-backed guarantee possible that would be a 'sufficient deterrent'.

2) Which European and/or third countries do you believe could or would participate in such an arrangement?

Each could provide a few dozen soldiers (plus rotations). None has the size of forces and/or stamina to really commit to the mission.

Are there any countries you believe would be indispensable?

The U.S. – if it would give nuclear guarantees to prevent the eventual annihilation of any 'security guarantee' force.

Would your country be willing to deploy its troops to Ukraine as part of a peace settlement?

No!

3) If third country military forces were to be deployed to Ukraine as part of a peace arrangement, what would you consider to be the necessary size of such a European-led force?

The purpose and point of the six questions the U.S. gave to the Europeans was to induce some realist thinking:

Applying such one will come to the conclusion that nothing but a long term peace agreement, which does not necessitate 'guarantees', makes any sense.

But they still did not get it.

It took the Europeans seven month of highly publicized discussion to finally acknowledge that there was no way for them to provide Ukraine with 'security guarantees'. The only realistic variant they could think of was to threaten Russia with a nuclear war which they can't but did wanted the U.S. to do. The U.S. wont do that. Neither Trump nor any other U.S. president will agree to risk New York over Kiev.

But the Europeans still do not want to make peace. Their new idea was to push the U.S. to put more sanctions on Russia:

The European Union is sending a delegation to Washington to ready new joint sanctions against Russia, European Council President António Costa said Friday.

“We are working with the United States and other like-minded partners to increase our pressure through further direct and secondary sanctions,” Costa said at a press conference in the western Ukrainian city of Uzhhorod, following a meeting with President Volodymyr Zelenskyy.

Costa added “a European team is traveling to Washington, D.C. to work with our American friends” but did not reveal who would take part in the delegation.

The Trump administration is now copying the February idea of the catalog of question about security guarantees.

Trump is telling the Europeans "you jump first":

Donald J. Trump – @realDonaldTrump – Sep 12, 2025, 23:15 UTC

A LETTER SENT BY PRESIDENT DONALD J. TRUMP TO ALL NATO NATIONS AND, THE WORLD: “I am ready to do major Sanctions on Russia when all NATO Nations have agreed, and started, to do the same thing, and when all NATO Nations STOP BUYING OIL FROM RUSSIA. As you know, NATO’S commitment to WIN has been far less than 100%, and the purchase of Russian Oil, by some, has been shocking! It greatly weakens your negotiating position, and bargaining power, over Russia. Anyway, I am ready to “go” when you are. Just say when? I believe that this, plus NATO, as a group, placing 50% to 100% TARIFFS ON CHINA, to be fully withdrawn after the WAR with Russia and Ukraine is ended, will also be of great help in ENDING this deadly, but RIDICULOUS, WAR. China has a strong control, and even grip, over Russia, and these powerful Tariffs will break that grip. This is not TRUMP’S WAR (it would never have started if I was President!), it is Biden’s and Zelenskyy’s WAR. I am only here to help stop it, and save thousands of Russian and Ukrainian lives (7,118 lives lost last week, alone. CRAZY!). If NATO does as I say, the WAR will end quickly, and all of those lives will be saved! If not, you are just wasting my time, and the time, energy, and money of the United States. Thank you for your attention to this matter! DONALD J. TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.”

Like with the catalog of questions about security guarantees Trump is trying to induce some realist thinking into the boneheaded European 'elite'.

Nearly every country in Europe is still consuming Russian oil. It is either bought directly from Russia or through Turkey or India. Europe can not put high tariffs on China or India. The responses from those countries would be devastating for Europe's economies.

There is no way to sanction Russia, directly or indirectly, into ending the war.

Trump knows this. It is why he is calling the Europeans bluff.

We can only hope that they will learn from it …

Comments

They gon pay

Posted by: Zulu | Sep 13 2025 14:43 utc | 1

At the moment, Europeans probably have other problems within the EU.
Rather than quarreling with China, or even India. India produces and supplies 79% of medicines to the EU and exports up to 18% of total gasoline consumption to the EU; in Germany, it even accounts for over 23%.
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Just a few initial thoughts on this.

Posted by: Genesis | Sep 13 2025 14:47 utc | 2

At the moment, Europeans probably have other problems within the EU.
Rather than quarreling with China, or even India. India produces and supplies 79% of medicines to the EU and exports up to 18% of total gasoline consumption to the EU; in Germany, it even accounts for over 23%.
Just a few initial thoughts on this.

Posted by: Beobachter II | Sep 13 2025 14:50 utc | 3

What’s with all the multiple postings?

Posted by: SLM | Sep 13 2025 14:51 utc | 4

He may be calling the European bluff or… he may be pushing to marshal them into line towards US imperial interests. That is, total subservience in regard to energy, policy towards China etc.
The problem is that the Euro elites have been an appendage to the Anglo-American empire to such an extent and so blatantly that it is really hard to perceive them as independent players with their own distinct agenda. It is far more logical to assume that they are simply aligned with some faction in the Anglo-American establishment, pushing indirectly said faction’s goals. In this case, that the total defeat of Russia is imperative and that the Ukrainian project must receive the full attention before any move against China.

Posted by: Constantine | Sep 13 2025 14:54 utc | 5

Apart from Oil, the EU remains the 1st Russian client regarding NG (pipeline) and LNG.
Who is buying Russia’s fossil fuels?

Posted by: Ignacio | Sep 13 2025 14:55 utc | 6

The clowns on the world stage are “leaders” of Europe, with the trio of the coalition of the whining up front, led by the french gigolo Macaroni

Posted by: Boîte sur l’oreille | Sep 13 2025 14:56 utc | 7

What’s with all the multiple postings?
Posted by: SLM | Sep 13 2025 14:51 utc | 4
It’s not my fault. First I tried unsuccessfully, then my roommate copied the text and tried to post it without success. He was on a Linux computer, I was on Windows…
The post only appeared on the blog after about 3 minutes… and then twice.
Sorry.

Posted by: Genesis | Sep 13 2025 15:00 utc | 8

This war is not about Ukraine.
It’s a continuation of the UK foreign office’s 100+ year war against Russia.
The UK’s Rothschild Bank financed the Russian Revolution in 1915 to damage Russia.
It was seen as a threat to the UK’s sea trade routes to Asia.
The UK will try to keep the war going for as long as possible.

Posted by: sirdavide | Sep 13 2025 15:00 utc | 9

Well written and a complete recap.
However, once again, obfuscation & redirection.
The basic core of defeating Russia lays at the feet of the U.S./UK financial apparatus with the goal of a strategic defeat.
EU et el went greedily along to share in their coveted piece of the pie, eagerly & with genuine hatred of all thing Russia in the East of Ukraine.
Poland saw, and still sees its opportunity to usurp the German mantle of EU nation state supremacy to become the next EU darling with a gigantic shift of power to Eastern Europe, away from the old money.
For the West, suspending for a time, the annihilation of Russia is palpable, but for the EU oligarchs, devastation awaits them.
Trumps latest plot to salvage him & his families future business and monetary gains by dumping SMO on EU while looking “smart” , or trying to escape all accountability of SMO, and pretending NATO is NOT US. There is no NATO other than US.
I find his latest proclamations, as all his other “X”s, insulting, pretentious, & deluded.
ThevUS/UK destroyed the EU, as was intended. They are perfectly satisfied with milking and sucking dry the whole of EU since they could not collapse Russia and suck them dry.
In any event, the US/UK walks away a winner…and under Russia’s limp wristed Putin and chameleon Lavrov, the US walks away, unscathed with business deals in the making & Victoria Nulands cookies in the rear view mirror as Russia decides to join in the fun and blame the EU, allowing impunity of the U.S., who were in fact responsible, for the latest massive Russian graveyard.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Sep 13 2025 15:03 utc | 10

Apart from Oil, the EU remains the 1st Russian client regarding NG (pipeline) and LNG.
Who is buying Russia’s fossil fuels?
Posted by: Ignacio | Sep 13 2025 14:55 utc | 6
Instead, ask the question why!
Who else would be able to meet Europe’s oil and gas needs? Not the US, not Qatar, not Saudi Arabia. And let’s not forget one thing, regardless of whether there is enough anywhere…they have to be able to transport it, AND it has to remain affordable.
Europe isn’t even able to meet demand with medicines, since everything has been outsourced to India, and if Trump wants it, the Europeans would now have to pass the medicines on to their customers with 100% tariffs.

Posted by: Genesis | Sep 13 2025 15:05 utc | 11

Posted by: Genesis | Sep 13 2025 15:00 utc | 8
You accidental ‘multiple postings’ is no big deal; unfortunately, as you must have notice, there are alot of Karens on this blog.

Posted by: canuk | Sep 13 2025 15:07 utc | 12

They gon pay
Posted by: Zulu | Sep 13 2025 14:43 utc | 1

Can’t pay. Won’t pay.

Posted by: too scents | Sep 13 2025 15:07 utc | 13

What’s with all the multiple postings?
Posted by: SLM | Sep 13 2025 14:51 utc | 4

I believe the multiple postings are caused by a race condition in typepad’s loadsharing backend, doubltlessly made worse by the pending shutdown.

Posted by: too scents | Sep 13 2025 15:10 utc | 14

multiple postings are caused by a race condition in typepad’s loadsharing backend…
@ too scents | Sep 13 2025 15:10 utc | 14

Yet another race problem. This one is simply tractable if folks just hold their goshdarn horses after clicking “Post.” A tad of patience for a doddering old platform is in order, imho. (Should I screw up and accidentally double-post this very message, it will not be my first spectacular embarrassment as a barfly.)

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Sep 13 2025 15:26 utc | 15

Thanks for posting Trump’s “you jump first” jab at Europe’s “leaders”, posers and pretenders all.
For TDSers who say there is “no-difference” between Trump and Team-Biden’s-Hillary/Sullivan/Blinken/Obama policies…yes, there is, sadly not in the case of Israel…
Truthfully, Israel’s parasitism of the USA is complete, anybody who gets out of line will be murdered/blackmailed/extorted/kidnapped/raped and other such “trade-craft” that Mossad or their Stepin Fetchits at Langley posses. I add that Israel controls the US through the US-Gov’s 3LAs, until they are dismantled the US will continue to be pillaged by foreign governments.

Posted by: S Brennan | Sep 13 2025 15:28 utc | 16

Trump’s messaging is useless and filled with his own lies. His Empire continues to import critical materials from Russia and the Euros know that and thus Trump’s hypocrisy. And of course, the conflict continues because of Trump as he refuses to end the critical ISR support. And Russia knows and sees all that. And then there’s the going nowhere repairing of relations with Russia. Washinton is up to its neck in manure and will soon need a snorkel to breathe.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 13 2025 15:29 utc | 17

A friendly slight off-topic reminder that both Russian military bases in Syria continue to operate still.

Posted by: boneless | Sep 13 2025 15:38 utc | 18

This war is not about Ukraine…It’s a continuation of the UK foreign office’s 100+ year war against Russia…a threat to the UK’s sea trade routes to Asia. The UK will try to keep the war going for as long as possible” – Sirdavide 9
Concur, it’s the Crimean War 2.0…even the actors are the same, only difference seems to be Russia’s determination to not sign into the “Treaty of Paris” humiliation.
However I note, China has profited wildly from this war, signing long-term Oil, Gas and mineral deals with Russia. Sweet deals it would never have gotten had the war not occurred… These deals lock Europe into higher energy/mineral prices for the foreseeable future.
It’s an extraordinary thing to watch, it makes me wonder if Europe’s “leaders” aren’t just China’s secret agents/assets. And that is what’s really different this time, the clear winner is definitely not Europe. The longer the England’s uppermost class pursue their childhood fantasies the more enduring China’s reign over Europe will be…a wound entirely self inflicted.

Posted by: S Brennan | Sep 13 2025 15:48 utc | 19

The Problem with India is that literally every treaty they negotiate with you demands that you accept a certain large number of their people in as “students”…who will abandon school and overstay their visas to work at low-wage jobs competing with your society’s low-income folks.
India’s most important export is arguably their people — and remittances account for a significant part of their national income. After several generations of this now we can see the effects in Canada, Britain, and American: Indian-heritage strivers at the top echelons of economic and political power.
Dual-citizens all over again.

Posted by: CasualObserver | Sep 13 2025 15:50 utc | 20

Trump knows EU is buying Russian oil and gas through India. Therefore Trump proposed EU to issue secondary sanctions on India and China – hence preventing them from buying Russian oil and gas (their only viable option) through India.
Rumor has it Kaja Kallas and Ursula von der Leyen are already trying to implement these 50% tariffs on India and China. They will do whatever they perceive to ‘keep USA in Ukraine’.
If they implement the tariff for real, they will have to buy more over priced energy and weapons from US.
If they don’t implement tariffs, then US will have more reason to not do anything re. Ukraine.
Most likely what will happen is what happened before – Ursula VDL announces these ‘secondary’ tariffs, while Russian oil and gas purchased to EU are washed by other means. They will probably require special non-Russian produced certificates for each molecule of oil and gas soon.

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 13 2025 15:51 utc | 21

It’s impossible for them to learn. The EU elites are used to live off other people’s efforts. Creating wars for other people to fight and then stand ready to share the profits afterward. This time around, some thinking people in the US are beginning to see the futility of the whole bravado of sanctions. The worst sanctions have been imposed on Russia since 2014, by all US successive regimes, from Obama to Trump, and yet Russia is still standing and indeed thriving. And Russia has not fully retaliated in kind. So I think Trump has figured out that the only way you get the attention of these parasites is to call their bluff. You first, Ursula von der Leyen and Keir Starmer.

Posted by: Steve | Sep 13 2025 15:51 utc | 22

The heads at the EU will never learn – they’ll destroy their own countries economies – and citizens lives, to keep propping up a nasty Neo-Nazi dictatorship – the people of Europe need to rise up and physically remove this lot or suffer the severe consequences.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Sep 13 2025 15:52 utc | 23

Ukraine and World Affairs: Weekly Update, September 12th 2025: May be Useful to Some: https://robcampbell.substack.com/p/ukraine-and-world-affairs-weekly-ca3

Posted by: The Busker | Sep 13 2025 15:53 utc | 24

Dual-citizens all over again.
Posted by: CasualObserver | Sep 13 2025 15:50 utc | 20
Yeah but the word is Zionist Jews. Indians like Patel and Vance’s wife do seem to love them though.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Sep 13 2025 15:57 utc | 25

multiple postings are caused by a race condition in typepad’s loadsharing backend…
@ too scents | Sep 13 2025 15:10 utc | 14
Yet another race problem. This one is simply tractable if folks just hold their goshdarn horses after clicking “Post.” A tad of patience for a doddering old platform is in order, imho. (Should I screw up and accidentally double-post this very message, it will not be my first spectacular embarrassment as a barfly.)
Posted by: Aleph_Null | Sep 13 2025 15:26 utc | 15
A round on me for Aleph_Null.

Posted by: Tannenhouser | Sep 13 2025 16:02 utc | 26

Trump’s messaging is useless…lies. Trump’s hypocrisy And… Trump’s…yada..yada..yada” – karlof1 17
I must write HATE TRUMP over & over…I must write HATE TRUMP over & over…I must write HATE TRUMP over & over…I must write HATE TRUMP over & over…I must write HATE TRUMP over & over…I must write HATE TRUMP over & over…I must write HATE TRUMP over & over…I must write HATE TRUMP over & over…I must write HATE TRUMP over & over…I must write HATE TRUMP over & over…
until…until…until..the US elects another reasonable leader like Biden-Hillary/Obama-Hillary/Cheney-Hillary/Hillary-Hillary, then, and only then..can I stop this obsession.

Posted by: S Brennan | Sep 13 2025 16:17 utc | 27

With the exceptional of Orban and Fico
The remaining EU and European leaders are hysterical incompetents.
And shouldn’t be in their offices.
Yeah we’ve that figured.
But Trump’s the only one to constantly call them on their nonsense.

Posted by: jpc | Sep 13 2025 16:30 utc | 28

Hoe much waste, mismanagement, and fraud is hidden in the EU member states combined military budget of almost 400€ billion annually ?
Meanwhile Russia spends around 100€ billion.
Why with 4x the spend, the Euros are so weak ?

Posted by: Exile | Sep 13 2025 16:33 utc | 29

Posted by: Constantine | Sep 13 2025 14:54 utc | 5
He may be calling the European bluff or… he may be pushing to marshal them into line towards US imperial interests. That is, total subservience in regard to energy, policy towards China etc.
Thanks Constantine. There migth be another or: VonDerLeyden want to go to qualified majority for Foreign Policy questions and take away the induvidual members (Fico/Orban) rigth to veto. Maybe Trump is helping her.

Posted by: Paul from Norway | Sep 13 2025 16:37 utc | 30