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September 21, 2025
The MoA Week In Review – OT 2025-215

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Suresh Nirody – snirody.eth @snirody – 15:22 utc · Sep 20, 2025

Hmm, it might have been helpful if the Estonian MOD had labeled the purple line on their map. They imply that it is "Estonian airspace" since that shows the "violation" but they don't actually say if it shows their 𝐭𝐞𝐫𝐫𝐢𝐭𝐨𝐫𝐢𝐚𝐥 𝐰𝐚𝐭𝐞𝐫𝐬 or their 𝐄𝐄𝐙.
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Other issues:

Middle East:

Empire:

U.S. Economy:

Europe:

Use as open (not related to the wars in Ukraine and Palestine) thread …

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4.13% US 10 year

Posted by: Exile | Sep 21 2025 12:36 utc | 1

A quite worthwhile Dialogue Works interview featuring Max Blumenthal with many revalations, including the reminder that Trump Cabinet members Pam Bondi and Kash Patel were previously groomed by the Qataris.
https://youtu.be/N3j50GbcT2k

Posted by: too scents | Sep 21 2025 12:39 utc | 2

Posted by: too scents | Sep 21 2025 12:39 utc | 2
b literally links it above.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Sep 21 2025 12:43 utc | 3

4.13% US 10 year
Posted by: Exile | Sep 21 2025 12:36 utc | 1

Subprime Autoloans are blowing up Asset Backed Securities.

Collapse of Subprime Lender Tricolor Kicks Off Scramble for 100,000 Car Loans
Tricolor’s bankruptcy trustee is designating a servicing company to search for vehicles and unfreeze payment systems following the auto lender’s sudden collapse

Sept. 18, 2025 8:25 pm ET
Liquidators for subprime auto lender Tricolor Holdings began cleaning up the mess from its sudden collapse by designating a servicing company to search for vehicles, unfreeze its loan processing system and urge customers to resume repayments.
The Texas bankruptcy judge overseeing Tricolor’s liquidation indicated she would authorize Vervent, a financial services firm, to step in as the servicer for the company’s sprawling loan portfolio. Dallas-based Tricolor offered auto financing to customers who lacked credit history or a social security number before it abruptly filed for a bankruptcy liquidation amid government investigations and a bank partner’s allegations of fraud.
The newly installed servicer “provides clarity to tens of thousands of borrowers who need to know where to make their monthly payment,” said Charles Gibbs, a lawyer from McDermott Will & Schulte representing Tricolor’s liquidation trustee. “Importantly, it gives Vervent the authority to complete the collection process for money that is trapped in the system.”
https://www.wsj.com/articles/collapse-of-subprime-lender-tricolor-kicks-off-scramble-for-100-000-car-loans-c1606f7c

The collapse of Tricolor has kicked off a comical bank run where creditors are racing collatorilized automobiles off dealer lots.
A junkyard derby of sorts.

Posted by: too scents | Sep 21 2025 12:47 utc | 4

re: ‘Sand Ni**ers’
‘The small-pox here is entirely harmless…’ (& vid)
https://x.com/timand2037/status/196967314648484867087
“Centuries before western medicine, Big Pharma and Facebook doctors, Muslim scientists were advancing in immunity studies and vaccination…”

Posted by: John Gilberts | Sep 21 2025 12:49 utc | 5

b literally links it above.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Sep 21 2025 12:43 utc | 3

Does he indeed? I only see the Grayzone story and not latter and more in depth interview.

Posted by: too scents | Sep 21 2025 12:54 utc | 6

5 corrected
https://x.com/timand2037/status/1969673146484867087

Posted by: John Gilberts | Sep 21 2025 12:54 utc | 7

Good citizens are boycotting disney en masse. I would cancel hulu if i had it. Apparently you go on to the site and it offers you %70 off not to cancel.

Posted by: natrat | Sep 21 2025 12:59 utc | 8

Two [BLACK] Men Found Hanging From Trees in Mississippi on the Same Day
https://yahoo.com/entertainment/articles/two-men-found-hanging-trees-141557508.html
“…bitter reminders of racial violence…”
Amerikkka
https://www.gettyimages.ca/photos/public-lynching

Posted by: John Gilberts | Sep 21 2025 13:10 utc | 9

5 and 7 provide an identical link. This seems to happen to you a lot, may I suggest you develop some sort of checking routine?

Posted by: meh | Sep 21 2025 13:12 utc | 10

It strikes me that Netanyahu is saying “I had Charlie knocked off and nothing will happen to me” as a warning to those thinking of jumping ship…..

Posted by: NotEinstein | Sep 21 2025 13:16 utc | 11

…… Dallas-based Tricolor offered auto financing to customers who lacked credit history or a social security number……
Greaseball Loan Sharks in other words.

Posted by: Exile | Sep 21 2025 13:19 utc | 12

I read about Israels Iron beam. A laser intended to handle smaller targets while the other air defense systems are used for the larger targets.
My immediate reflection is that detonating something that causes a cloud of white smoke would render such laser weapons impotent.
There has got to come a race of weapons developments to rapidly twart many inventions. We have seen that happen with various aspects of the technology in the Ukraine war.

Posted by: petergrfstrm | Sep 21 2025 13:27 utc | 13

Posted by: too scents | Sep 21 2025 12:54 utc | 6
Yes. Same exact 1 hour and 4 minute video. Same title. 😄

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Sep 21 2025 13:40 utc | 14

Posted by: Exile | Sep 21 2025 13:19 utc | 12
Like the loansharks at GM, Citibank, etc. aren’t greaseballs (or worse)?
Unfortunately in this shit hole financialized husk of a country, poor people (and poor immigrants) need cars to get around. The tricolor bankruptcy is a microcosm of a bigger credit crisis brewing. But lower level loansharks can provide a needed service.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Sep 21 2025 13:44 utc | 15

Greaseball Loan Sharks in other words.
Posted by: Exile | Sep 21 2025 13:19 utc | 12
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Sep 21 2025 13:44 utc | 15

The issue isn’t the automobile buyers and sellers. The issue is that subprime loans where securitized and sold on as Asset Backed Securities.
Also, the collateral is funny. 😉

Posted by: too scents | Sep 21 2025 13:51 utc | 16

‼️🇪🇺💶 #europeancommission President Ursula #vonderLeyen encourages Europeans with new spending:
We will mobilize up to €800 billion for defense.
We will defend every inch of Europe’s borders.
#Europe must become more autonomous and independent in security matters.
<a href="https://x.com/MaimunkaNews/status/1969761169851498713

“>https://x.com/MaimunkaNews/status/1969761169851498713
Recently the earlier green projects (*cough*windenergy*cough*) have been collapsing one after the other in EUropistan. So they come up with the next failing project to indebt and steal member states. When one looks at western politicians one can come to the conclusion of needing to buy gold.

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 21 2025 14:01 utc | 17

The distance between British war propaganda and actuality:
UK Defence Secretary John Healey:
“Nato airspace will be defended… I’m proud of the outstanding British pilots and air crew who took part in this successful operation to defend our allies from reckless Russian aggression.”
Chief of UK Air Staff Marshal Harv Smyth:
“We remain agile, integrated, and ready to project airpower at range.”
The ‘airpower’ that successfully defended Poland from ‘reckless Russian aggression’ was composed of 2 Typhoon jets (that’s not a number typo) and a single RAF Voyager air-to-air refuelling aircraft. If this desultory spectacle wasn’t enough, it turns out the length of time spent patrolling Polish skies can be measured between take-off on Friday evening and a return ‘early Saturday morning’.
The UK media were framing this as the Battle of Britain 2.0 rather than a pure media psy-op with little military value.
The Anglo-American alliance may ‘defend” a fellow NATO member in the air but it royally shafts Poland on the ground by encouraging it to sabotage what little economic sovereignty it has left.
As of the 21st September the China-Europe Railway Express remains closed, through which an estimated 90% of rail cargo between China and the European Union passes. Of course the suicidal EU puppets are applauding Poland’s position, consequences it appears be damned.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4g7752w1ygo
https://asiatimes.com/2025/09/poland-border-closure-choking-china-eu-rail-trade/

Posted by: FakeBelieve | Sep 21 2025 14:05 utc | 18

Has anybody here watched the video at rense.com showing the man in khaki who they suspect is shooting Kirk with a palm gun.
Yesterday when I watched it several times I saw very clearly that something was sticking out between his fingers. Today I didnt see that anymore.
After having given it some thought I outruled that this discrepansy was the result of unreliable memory.
I didnt immediately believe it was the pipe of a gun. I was wondering if it was a synchronisation device with a short antenna. Synchronising whatever.
Because Kirk was shot when it in yesterdays watch looked like the khaki-man’s hand moved as if he might have pressed something.
Today there was nothing suspicious about that video.
I now suspect that I have been tricked with customized AI either in the first or second case.
I wouldnt be surprised if the elites have advanced their toolbox of counterconspiracy techniques by making them look silly with individually directed customizeable alterations of a video. So those not targeted could take on the role of superiors and shake their heads about how confused the inferiors are.
I havent looked for many comments so I dont know what the general opinions are about that video. If the discussion subsides it probably means that people no longer see anything sticking out.

Posted by: petergrfstrm | Sep 21 2025 14:10 utc | 19

If China wanted to destroy America, it wouldn’t need bombs.
It would need only silence.
No ships.
No loans.
No spare parts for your machines of war.
That’s the real apocalypse.
Not invasion.
Abandonment.
A superpower screaming into the void for the one rival it cannot live without.

https://x.com/nxt888/status/1969660714286792924
I have mentioned this approach many times. It is, to some degree, what I believe is happening.
It is consistent with Chinese philosophy and ethics.
Non-aggression can be a weapon too.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 21 2025 14:11 utc | 20

Too Scents you find this news item from March 2025. amusing ….
Tricolor Closes $328 Million Securitization to Advance Financial Inclusion at Scale in Underserved Communities

DALLAS, March 12, 2025 (GLOBE NEWSWIRE) — Tricolor today announced a $328 million issuance to empower underserved, low-income communities through improved access to affordable financing that meets their essential transportation needs and helps enable a path to mainstream financing.
JPMorgan acted as the lead structuring agent with Barclays serving as Joint Bookrunner and Fifth Third Securities as Co-Manager. The Class A, Class B, Class C, Class D, and Class E were rated by Kroll Bond Rating Agency and Moody’s and were placed with a diversified mix of institutional investors in a private offering pursuant to Rule 144A …….(excerpt, lots of juicy details in a long article follows)

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/tricolor-closes-328-million-securitization-120000137.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly9kdWNrZHVja2dvLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAMMYv0aJj80-JFkCV-ieOfqMmwotqA500P_rFUndpP4UJHp5FXyGJH0LAwNo3P29Wljl7zOjMvsnsjQmiCR2aOfZTlT3-BQ20if5CSQkQY9GsZN32E5YCOIn9wkWR__zJqE_azWqfq3dvmCDvBmZzhT0bvetkSVLVR5wuFkaRV67

Posted by: exile | Sep 21 2025 14:31 utc | 21

In the Palestine discussions, often Russia and China are condemned for their supposed inaction, yet, I see Russia and China doing a lot that works against that genocide.
There are many angles and perspectives by which the same object can be viewed. Each will show slightly different attributes. None of those perspectives change the object itself.
IMO, China is depowering the Empire for everyone, not just the Axis. It is a necessary next step in the evolution of human civilization.
They are not in a rush. They know that if they survive, they win in the end.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 21 2025 14:33 utc | 22

Hello PeterAu1
Re Chinese OS
I had no hand on experience with Chinese OS.
Sorry, Your guess is as good as mine. !

Posted by: denk | Sep 21 2025 14:34 utc | 23

Pale faced, forked tongue
g7, aka 8NA

Lets all stand up to Chinese coercion

Exhibit A
The 4-minute video, in Spanish with ‘English subtitles, was posted on Maduro’s official Facebook page on Wednesday, shortly after he accused US President Donald Trump of ordering the Colombian government and mafia to assassinate him, and rejected a European ultimatum to call snap presidential elections within 8 days.’

Posted by: denk | Sep 21 2025 14:37 utc | 24

P & I
John Menadue

Australia should therefore be banning .. all trade with Israel and recalling our ambassador in Tel Aviv and telling the Israel Ambassador to leave
Canberra”

Howard Debenham

Fine, but given the US’ robustly open engagement with and monumental resourcing of this war, as well as its insistence on the support of its allies, shouldn’t such venting (in which John is by no means alone) be at least as much directed at the US?

Now somebody is talking !

Posted by: denk | Sep 21 2025 14:39 utc | 25

I now suspect that I have been tricked with customized AI either in the first or second case.
Posted by: petergrfstrm | Sep 21 2025 14:10 utc | 19
Older barflies of a conspiratorial bent will remember the myriad 1990s videos pushed by the late Bill Cooper and others ‘proving’ JFK was assassinated by the secret service agent who turned around in his seat and fired a pistol at his head. It even included frames that showed ‘the gun’. This was of course utter nonsense.
The ‘deconstruction’ of the Charlie Kirk assassination videos is simply the Bill Cooper JFK thesis on steroids for the AI generation, but the same point remains. At the most these speculations remain in the words of the veteran political assassination and radio host Dave Emory: “food for thought and grounds for further research”.
As a purveyor of the Rense website since the late nineties I would particularly caution you to heed Emery’s words, lest you are led by the conspiratorial carrot around and around in an endless dance.

Posted by: FakeBelieve | Sep 21 2025 14:40 utc | 26

Sounds like Trump will need to invade again.
“Afghanistan Foreign Minister Amir Khan Muttaqi:
“Even if the U.S. were to recognize the Taliban and pledge to rebuild all of Afghanistan,
we would never surrender a single inch of our country for their military presence.””

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Sep 21 2025 14:43 utc | 27

The winner of the Russian equivalent of the Eurovision Song Contest, Intervision – who won the contest on Saturday, is from Vietnam.
“Vietnamese pop star Duc Phuc, who won this year’s Intervision song contest in Moscow on Saturday, has announced plans to donate part of his 30-million-ruble prize (around $358,000) money to charity.
The Hanoi-born artist won the Vietnamese version of The Voice in 2015 and has since released many hits in his home country, where he is widely recognized for his philanthropic work.
“I’ll share a little secret. I want to find a charitable foundation in Russia and donate the prize money I receive to it,” the singer said during an appearance on the show Let Them Talk on Channel One. ”

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Sep 21 2025 14:48 utc | 28

thanks b!
@ Tom_Q_Collins | Sep 21 2025 12:43 utc | 3
b doesn’t link to what too scents links to.. completely different.. i too recommend the link @ 2 on the topic of charlie kirk..

Posted by: james | Sep 21 2025 14:50 utc | 29

England’s Mi6 security service, looks to the Dark Web, to recruit spies, patsies and assassins.
“The UK Secret Intelligence Service, commonly known as MI6, has launched a portal on the dark web in a bid to attract potential spies in foreign countries, with a particular focus on Russia. Dubbed ‘Silent Courier’, the initiative is aimed at people with “access to sensitive information” on terrorism or foreign intelligence activities, according to the British government.
The scheme was officially presented by the agency’s outgoing chief, Sir Richard Moore, in his final public speech, given in Istanbul on Friday. The British government also published a statement on the plan earlier the same day.
London touted its portal as a “secure messaging platform” that would allow would-be spies and defectors to contact British intelligence through “harnessing the anonymity of the dark web.””

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Sep 21 2025 14:51 utc | 30

@petergrfstrm

Today there was nothing suspicious about that video.
I now suspect that I have been tricked with customized AI either in the first or second case.
I wouldnt be surprised if the elites have advanced their toolbox of counterconspiracy techniques by making them look silly with individually directed customizeable alterations of a video. So those not targeted could take on the role of superiors and shake their heads about how confused the inferiors are.

Thanks for your thoughts on this important matter.

Posted by: persiflo | Sep 21 2025 14:51 utc | 31

Fine, but given the US’ robustly open engagement with and monumental resourcing of this war, as well as its insistence on the support of its allies, shouldn’t such venting (in which John is by no means alone) be at least as much directed at the US?

Quite a mouthful.
*Why is everybody going after Daimon while letting Lucifer off the hook ?
FIFY

Posted by: denk | Sep 21 2025 14:54 utc | 32

Amarynth has posted this on Global South.com
I was deeply moved,so many truly beautiful people, and great performances.Caught myself smiling, and startling my cat, as I did not smile or laugh since genocide began.
Qatar was beautiful,that voice of liquid velvet, that face….Broadcasted to 4 billion people.
First Intervision:
https://globalsouth.co/2025/09/20/intervision-enjoy/

Posted by: stranger | Sep 21 2025 14:58 utc | 33

So a quarter of Latvia’s population speaks Russian, and Latvia wants to make it more expensive for them to buy books, and other publications printed in Russian.
“Latvia is planning to increase the value-added tax (VAT) for books, textbooks, press, and other publications printed in Russian, among several other languages, according to a draft budget proposal submitted to the government by the country’s Finance Ministry.
Along with its Baltic neighbors Estonia and Lithuania, Latvia has adopted a more confrontational stance toward Moscow since the Ukraine conflict escalated in 2022. Latvian authorities have tightened language laws and imposed restrictions targeting the country’s Russian-speaking minority, which makes up nearly a quarter of the country’s population.
The new measure, set to take effect in 2026, raises VAT from 5% to 21% on printed and digital books, newspapers, magazines, bulletins, news agency publications, and online media not published in Latvian or in the official languages of the EU, candidate states, or members of the Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD).”

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Sep 21 2025 15:02 utc | 34

Re: AI article from Economist above

his[Jensen Huang of nVidia] biggest customers have in recent times been raising their servers’ lifetimes, reducing depreciation charges in their accounts. Microsoft pushed it up from four to six years in 2022. Alphabet did the same in 2023. Amazon and Oracle changed it from five to six in 2024. And in January Meta moved from five to five and a half years.
In the same month Amazon reversed course and moved back to five years for some kit, noting this would cut operating profit in 2025 by $700m, or about 1%, owing to a higher depreciation expense.

This is a huge red flag.
But it is worse than that. If we are at $500B in capex spend now with $600B by end of 2025 – just the revenue needed to pay the overhead costs for this capex is at least $120B. Add in cost of capital – now we’re at $150B. And note this revenue for the actual owner/operators of the data centers. Secondary revenues – such as from the plethora of “AI software” and “AI app” companies is relevant only in the sense of the percent of their revenue paid to the data center operators.
Given that the entire AI/LLM sector is losing money outside of nVidia and one AI training data company – the lack of revenue is obvious.

In reality, not all of the AI quintet’s servers would be useless after three years, let alone 12 months. They can keep performing oodles of non-AI work.

This is almost entirely false. GPUs are not like CPUs – they are not general purpose.
As a simple example: nVidia GPUs are utilized via CUDA code – an nVidia specific language.
Cryptomining? yes. General cloud? no.
There were GPU farms before the AI/LLM bubble, but these were also “AI” related: neural network training, machine learning etc.
And while these massive AI/LLM GPU farms could do this work – the value created in doing so would be a tiny, tiny, fraction of the revenue required just to pay for the upkeep of said AI/LLM GPU farms.
It would be like using a Cray to run Excel – not that you can do that either, or that the Cray owner/operator could have a snowball’s chance in hell of surviving as a business – doing so.

Posted by: c1ue | Sep 21 2025 15:05 utc | 35

@Republicofscotland | Sun, 21 Sep 2025 14:51:00 GMT | 30

“The UK Secret Intelligence Service, commonly known as MI6, has launched a portal on the dark web in a bid to attract potential spies in foreign countries, with a particular focus on Russia.
The scheme was officially presented by the agency’s outgoing chief, Sir Richard Moore, in his final public speech, given in Istanbul on Friday.

In Istanbul?! That must be a message. One of the more consequential acts of European history has been the taking of Constantinople by the Turks, and when Russia stood ready to reclaim it in the C19th, the Brits forbade them – cockblocking much? The expulsion of the Greek population in this city came only later.
Proper historians will be able to say more. I can only relate how flying into Istanbul on a clear day made me acutely aware of this place’s huge significance.

Posted by: persiflo | Sep 21 2025 15:05 utc | 36

FakeBelieve@8…..a war between Russia and Ukraine, an SMO by any other name, keeps the Russians tied down and China locked out…..
of Europe……hmmm, attrition economics…..
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Sep 21 2025 15:12 utc | 37

persiflo (30).
Yes Turkey sits on a very strategic region, well for the Russian navy fleet it does, which is at Sevastopol, in the Black sea, and the only way out of the land locked sea is via Turkey, and into the Med.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Sep 21 2025 15:15 utc | 38

“b doesn’t link to what too scents links to.. completely different…”
Posted by: james | Sep 21 2025 14:50 utc | 29

Yes james, i agree.
Further, in Max’s video interview with Nima which was originally scheduled for Friday but was delayed until Saturday, yesterday, Max the intrepid says that he has written a new article for the Grayzone which mentions some of Mileikowsky’s cutouts — but he does not go into detail to not get ahead of the publication of said article, so a new article should be posted soon. The one Tom Q. Mentions is from 5-6 days ago.
Good to have too scents back commenting. Thanks ts
~~
In addition to Max’s reporting, I recommend Thomas Karat’s view of the larger context and possible implications of Charlie Kirk’s early violent public death:

“Special Edition: Charlie Kirk’s Assassination, A Right-Wing Power Grab
Inside the propaganda machine that turned one death into political capital”
<a href="https://karat.substack.com/p/special-edition-charlie-kirks-assassination

“>https://karat.substack.com/p/special-edition-charlie-kirks-assassination

Posted by: suzan | Sep 21 2025 15:20 utc | 39

i found the article b links to – Wounds and Weapons: Israel as Unhealed Trauma – Joseph Dana – pretty insightful..

Posted by: james | Sep 21 2025 15:22 utc | 40

@Republicofscotland | Sun, 21 Sep 2025 15:15:00 GMT | 38
Turkey is also Islamic, while Constantinople was Orthodox Christian. This region connects Europe, Asia and Africa, and its importance has only grown since the Suez Canal and the dawning of the age of oil.

Posted by: persiflo | Sep 21 2025 15:24 utc | 41

US President Donald Trump deploys the National Guard in US cities to do what is essentially police work. Belgian Interior Minister Bernard Quintin announces the Belgian army – it exists – will patrol Belgian cities alongside the police before year end.
Around the end of the Soviet Union, the Soviet leadership began to rely more and more upon the army, simply because it was one of the few institutions that still worked. Now, thirty-five years later, it’s our turn.

Posted by: Passerby | Sep 21 2025 15:32 utc | 42

TEST

Posted by: denk | Sep 21 2025 15:34 utc | 43

Was the murder of Kirk a psy-op – all fake – pure theatre ?
Not usually my first take. Ex. Imho, Trump’s ear was shot (probably not by Crooks.. so hmm), i.e. there was a genuine attempt on Trump’s life which failed.
Yet, re. Kirk I think a solid argument can be made, as being a planned fake murder, to make him disappear.
One ‘consp’ link below makes some good points (don’t agree with all), there are so many suspicious details, an exhaustive list would be extremely! long.
Watching the ‘gory’ vid, of him being shot, all over the tubes, imho was VERY odd.
Idk about bullet wounds, etc. but I recalled first aid courses —> in case of a knife cut, bullet, explosion, a wound spurting blood / bleeding copiously the PRIORITY is to stop blood loss, and the methods run from tourniquet (take off yr shirt, tights, even swim suit ..) > to using your hands to close/block as best you can.
Wasn’t done. He falls backwards, clutching his mike, is lifted up, and shoved into a SUV.
Many other weird, suspicious signs exist, such as the men ‘signalling’ behind him, one of which is a Kirk-team guy (as employee or..) A comprehensive list would be amazingly long imho.
https://rumble.com/v6z5jjg-the-charlie-kirk-assassination-hoax-full-breakdown.html
If Kirk was ‘fake murdered’ what does that imply, mean for the future? (some thoughts when I have time.)

Posted by: Noirette | Sep 21 2025 15:35 utc | 44

The ‘deconstruction’ of the Charlie Kirk assassination videos is simply the Bill Cooper JFK thesis on steroids for the AI generation, but the same point remains. At the most these speculations remain in the words of the veteran political assassination and radio host Dave Emory: “food for thought and grounds for further research”.
As a purveyor of the Rense website since the late nineties I would particularly caution you to heed Emery’s words, lest you are led by the conspiratorial carrot around and around in an endless dance.
Posted by: FakeBelieve | Sep 21 2025 14:40 utc | 26

With the very obvious holes in the official lone gunman theory, the FBI and their online minions have had to resort to “muddying the waters” with endless alternate conspiracy theories, some just as absurd as the official version. There is not much doubt that Tyler Robinson was part of a larger conspiracy, like Oswald. However, it is next to impossible that the shot that killed Charlie came from the gun that he left in the woods.
The kid is going to need a good lawyer.

Posted by: Fool Me Twice | Sep 21 2025 15:35 utc | 45

Too much trouble/
signing off.

Posted by: denk | Sep 21 2025 15:43 utc | 46

Posted by: stranger | Sep 21 2025 14:58 utc | 33
GlobalSouth.com has become soverenista.com, thus:
https://sovereignista.com/2025/09/20/intervision-enjoy/

Posted by: stranger | Sep 21 2025 15:55 utc | 47

Charlie Kirk | A Man of Steel
>…”Bones were so healthy they stopped the bullet”
Surgeon who worked on his neck says this. Also saying “even after death he saved lives” because the bullet didn’t exit, and hit anyone else.

Candace Owens has forced them into ridiculous nonsense to cover their BS Original Official Narrative.
—-
This is fun. We had to wait years for the 9/11 Official Narrative to flounder.
And Convaxx19 was unmasked (pun) within three to five years.
But this is unraveling in real time… like even as the Alleged Shooter was jumping from the roof, internet sleuths were “yeah,nah” where’s his gun?
He took a shot from *that* angle with *that* weapon with *that* caliber.
Nah.
Here’s what Kirk’s head should have looked like after being hit with the caliber of the Official Narrative.
https://files.catbox.moe/ryc00v.mp4

Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 21 2025 15:55 utc | 48

Related to empire of chaos decline and fall whilst shapeshifters inhabit spider webs of power. Food for thought. I do not know about accuracy of assessment. For larger context start at about 56 minute mark.

Alex Krainer:
~58:20
Alistister McCloud said that there’s about $10 trillion in the in the petro
dollar system and it is dominated by London through their you know spider’s web offshore centers.
So they control that money, not the United States, even though it’s US dollars.
And so that’s their [Britain’s] sort of social strength…because it’s the same currency as the US dollar in the United States, but you [the US] don’t have control over it.
I think you have to crash the dollar in order to finally quarantine the city of London and leave them to. their own devices on their little island.
I think that’s I think. that’s where we’re headed.
The monetary base of the United States I think is about $6 trillion.
So if it’s true that the petro dollar offshore dollar system is $10 trillion
that would mean London has control over a bigger mass of US dollars than the United States does…

I literally…came to that conclusion today after listening to
Alistair McCloud’s recent interview. [i don’t have link for this]
It makes sense to me because something has to explain the power of the United Kingdom, which is a basket case economically, financially, no army, no navy, how do they project so much power?
“Alex Krainer: West’s Collapse? Stagflation, SWIFT Drop & Trump’s Plan”
CounterCurrents with Larry Johnson
Plang
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhyXfVN0f0k

Posted by: suzan | Sep 21 2025 15:59 utc | 49

41
hey dope what about the donmeh what about sabbattai zvi
what about the young turks
synagogue of satan run turkey same old khazhar filth names stealers identity thieves land pirates.
the shoah must go on moshiec moloch baal baphomet wills it

Posted by: normal wisdom | Sep 21 2025 16:00 utc | 50

petergrfstrm @19: “After having given it some thought I outruled that this discrepansy was the result of unreliable memory.”
I’m sure you’ve heard of the “Mandela Effect”. There are reasonable arguments that many instances of the Mandela Effect have in fact been tests of systems run by the Alphabet/Amazon/Meta gang to see if they can get away with altering history, or at least the public’s perception of it.
Note that a great deal of content on the Internet is cached by businesses like Cloudflare, this site included. When you refresh the discussion thread it is frequently retrieved from Cloudflare’s servers rather than our host’s server. It would be trivial for Cloudflare to “patch” the content in their caches and serve that altered version instead. This network caching is particularly prevalent with high bandwidth content such as videos.
What you suggest, that a video has been altered, is not at all far-fetched, particularly if that video contains something that powerful individuals don’t want the public to see.

Posted by: William Gruff | Sep 21 2025 16:04 utc | 51

@AndrewKolvet
Xwitter | Christian. Proud husband and father. TPUSA Spokesman. Executive Producer of The Charlie Kirk Show. Son of Nevada. American 🇺🇸

I want to address some of the discussion about the lack of an exit wound with Charlie. I’m usually not interested in delving into most of this kind of online chatter, and I apologize this is somewhat graphic, but in this case, the fact that there wasn’t an exit wound is probably another miracle, and I want people to know.
I just spoke with the surgeon who worked on Charlie in the hospital…
He said the bullet “absolutely should have gone through, which is very very normal for a high powered, high velocity round. I’ve seen wounds from this caliber many times and they always just go through everything. This would have taken a moose or two down, an elk, etc.”
But it didn’t go through. Charlie’s body stopped it.
I mentioned to his doctor that there were dozens of staff, students, and special guests standing directly behind Charlie on the other side of the tent, and he replied:
“It was an absolute miracle that someone else didn’t get killed.”
“His bone was so healthy and the density was so so impressive that he’s like the man of steel. It should have just gone through and through. It likely would have killed those standing behind him too.”
In the end, the coroner did find the bullet just beneath the skin.
Even in death, Charlie managed to save the lives of those around him.
Remarkable. Miraculous.

https://nitter.net/AndrewKolvet/status/1969551427648569633

Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 21 2025 16:08 utc | 52

Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 21 2025 15:55 utc | 48
Next they will tell us he was using LHO brand magic bullets which decided to bounce around inside of him for the safety of others.
TBH I think he will get off because too many prejudicial statements have been made for him to get a fair trial, by which time the trail will have gone as cold as the sweat on Bibi’s brow.

Posted by: ChatNPC | Sep 21 2025 16:19 utc | 53

@Melaleuca #48
My understanding is that Kirk was shot in the neck.
Neck is different than the head; the “squareness” of the hit also matters.
If a 7.62 hits square on the neck, the head would basically be blown off but it clearly did not.
This puts the various conspiracy theories you have put forward concerning apparent damage as being more than likely spurious.
Even the surgeon: if the carotid artery was severed – a full trauma team and setup right next to him, might not have saved him. You bleed out from a carotid hit in like 2 minutes.

Posted by: c1ue | Sep 21 2025 16:31 utc | 54

First Intervision Link is glorious so much joy and music. Thank you Stranger for posting.
SFSN

Posted by: Exile | Sep 21 2025 16:34 utc | 55

Melaleuca | Sep 21 2025 16:08 utc | 52
Conclusion, it was NOT a high powered shot. But one from the man in grey-green who fired (probably) from a hand held pistol, camoflaged as a telephone portable or similar, from close range.
Don’t worry, the “cleaners” were on the scene straight away, and removed the camera(s) above and behind Charlei Kirk at the same time.
Nothing left to see here, move along?.

Posted by: Stonebird | Sep 21 2025 16:39 utc | 56

@ Melaleuca | Sep 21 2025 16:08 utc | 52
Now the story is that the mystery bullet, presumably engraved with another illuminating transtifa slogan, cannot be found because:
A) It lodged somewhere in Charlie’s body.
B) The Utah coroner doesn’t look for bullets in bodies in the course of murder investigations.
C) Kirk’s autopsy is a national security secret.

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Sep 21 2025 16:41 utc | 57

Unfortunately in this shit hole financialized husk of a country, poor people (and poor immigrants) need cars to get around. The tricolor bankruptcy is a microcosm of a bigger credit crisis brewing. But lower level loansharks can provide a needed service.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Sep 21 2025 13:44 utc | 15
Fun facts: tricolor is a popular term among Mexicans for their national flag. Such patriotic names are adopted by many companies in the western states who commit what is known as “affinity fraud”, basically an attempt by a business to appear as part of the Mexican community and therefore trustworthy. So, yeah, they were selling overpriced cars to immigrants and likely collecting ridiculous interest payments from these unsophisticated and legally challenged workers.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Sep 21 2025 16:46 utc | 58

– Tucker Carlson talked to the iranian president Perzeshkian on his Tucker Carlson Network (TCN).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYhK2gO3HEM (length: 28 minutes).

Posted by: WMG | Sep 21 2025 16:49 utc | 59

Around the end of the Soviet Union, the Soviet leadership began to rely more and more upon the army, simply because it was one of the few institutions that still worked. Now, thirty-five years later, it’s our turn.
Posted by: Passerby | Sep 21 2025 15:32 utc | 42
Good comparison. Very true.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Sep 21 2025 16:54 utc | 60

Posted by: WMG | Sep 21 2025 16:49 utc | 59
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That is from 2 months ago.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 21 2025 16:57 utc | 61

So IT comes out today in a few news stories that investigators are claiming the rifle used to shoot kirk dates back to WWI and is likely untraceable.
That’s convenient.

Posted by: Archetypex | Sep 21 2025 17:05 utc | 62

@ petergrfstrm | Sep 21 2025 14:10 utc | 19 and William Gruff | Sep 21 2025 16:04 utc | 51
I saw that video also and what I saw matches what you saw. I haven’t seen it since, but other things I’ve seen lately with videos are showing me that software alteration of videos has become a trivial matter. AI and facial recognition are making it straightforward to delete, blur or alter features across the entire inventory of YouTube.
Rule number 1 today must be: download everything.

Posted by: Grieved | Sep 21 2025 17:10 utc | 63

“If Afghanistan doesn’t give Bagram Airbase back to those that built it, the United States of America, BAD THINGS ARE GOING TO HAPPEN,” Trump
Someone needs to tell Trump that Russia built Bagram…..should it go back to Russia?
Stupid is as stupid does, eh Trump?

Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 21 2025 17:13 utc | 64

Yes, I am a Gnostic Dialectical Materialist. Yes, I recognise the Demiurge as a ‘half creator’, but i am neutral as to weather the Demiurge is good or evil. How can I possibly judge from this perspective. I ‘know’ the Demiurge by observing it’s work, the material world, a structure that presents as chaos but defies collapse, like the vertical face climber, in motion but always with three points of contact.
Is it so surprising? For the most part, we accept evolution through observation over time. We acknowledge the struggle of resolving contradictions is the price we pay for progress.
Can any enlightened soul among us deny what we perceive with our own senses? Can any soul deny the temporal domain of existence? Can any soul deny the cause and effect that holds chaos to order?
Gnostic Genesis:
1. In the beginning, when the heavens and the earth were unformed and void, I spoke forth the Light, and it flashed like the lightning bolts of the skies, swift and mighty.
2. Behold, I commanded the energy of the heavens, and it raced across the void, a mighty current of power that shone brighter than the stars.
3. As I stretched out My hand over the deep, I gathered the dust of the earth,measured in cubits, solid and unyielding,forming the stones of the earth, the bones of the world.
4. And I said, “Let there be matter,” and it was so,each cubit of stone a vessel of My design, holding within it the secret of My power.
5. For behold, the energy of the lightning bolts is swift and uncontainable, yet it is bound within the form of matter, like fire held in a vessel of clay.
6. The bolts of energy are the voice of My throne, swift as the wind, invisible yet mighty, dancing upon the fabric of creation.
7. The matter, measured in cubits of stone, is the silent witness of My Word, slow to change but enduring through the ages.
8. Know this: as the lightning bolts carry the fire of the heavens, so does the matter carry the weight of the earth; both are born of My breath.
9. When I set the laws of the cosmos, I fashioned them after My will—energy to move swiftly, matter to stand firm.
10. Behold, in the measure of a cubit of stone, and the speed of a lightning bolt, lies the mystery of the universe:
E = m × c² where E is the energy released, m the weight of the stone, and c the speed of the lightning.
11. As the stones hold their weight, so does My power abide in all I have made; a mighty force hidden within the silent earth and the flashing sky.
12. Therefore, fear not the mysteries of the universe; for in the flash of lightning and the stones of the earth, My hand is revealed.
True Faith
https://sacred-texts.com/egy/woe/woe09.htm

Posted by: trot ski | Sep 21 2025 17:37 utc | 65

psychohistorian | Sep 21 2025 17:13 utc | 64–
Went to Newport yesterday and noted the big demo of several hundreds, which is huge for our region, where the one sign that stood out for me read: “Trump owned a casino and went bankrupt.” Oh yes, lots of Palestine support and ICE out of Oregon, freedom of speech, etc. Yes, Bagram back to its builders seems appropriate.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 21 2025 18:02 utc | 66

I see those guys that lost that 12 day war thingy in the ME bombed the crap out of Yemen’s main sea port …..again, Day Care Centres? Who knows, but no shortage of bombs to drop on Palestinians along the way, if only loosing was so easy, maybe someone could tell them……they lost……guess they don’t read MOA.

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Sep 21 2025 18:12 utc | 67

Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 21 2025 17:13 utc | 64
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Trump is all over Asia right now.
They are taking their eyes off of the ball in South America and Africa.
All of those former colonies are gravitating towards the Sino/Russo Axis.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 21 2025 18:18 utc | 68

@FakeBelieve | Sep 21 2025 14:40 utc | 26
I used to listen to David Emory in the past. Until the mid 1990s before Clinton was exposed for the Lewinsky affaire it seems things were going towards more openness. Issues like mind control were not entirely off limits. That was at the time when Walter Bowart published the 2nd ed of Operation Mind Control when he interviewed an electronics engineer about the ‘chiclet’ implants the CIA had made available and that were invisible on Xray images.
But later the ‘doors’ closed.

I think Emory exaggerated how nazis had survived and like he said won WW2. I mean those nazis were completely subservient to the angloempire.
Its like Larouche said: Its the British stupid!
No I am kidding but leftists like Emory always underestimate the complex inside properties of how the angloamerican establishment operates.
Neither leftists nor libertarians actually make good use of Carroll Quigleys exposure of that establishment. The leftists avoid it all together and the libertarians use it to distort Quigleys views and have him to be in favour of the NWO

But concerning your advice. Like I said I did see something with about the size of the pipe of a palm gun protruding between the khaki-guys fingers. I do not suspect him. But I am certain my memory is correct. So I now suspect that a counter-conspiracy psyop was operating.
I dont think the elites were taken by surprise but rather that they waited until the first conspiracy researchers took the bait and then switched to the next phase.
I am also prepared for the possibility of there being a targeting of a mass of individual IP addresses because that would make sense for fighting a batch of opposition elements in one stroke.
To know more one needs to know the viewer statistics.
For example: did other than a select group ever see the pipe? Or did everybody see it for a period and thereafter noone saw it?
And regarding Bill Cooper
He couldnt target individual TV sets.

Posted by: petergrfstrm | Sep 21 2025 18:26 utc | 69

Two items that should give pause to the Trump cultists but won’t. First, Trump displays yet more of his imperialist appetite and militaristic drive by wanting Bagram because it’s an hour from PRC nuclear weapons. Formally Trump agreed to US withdrawal from Afghanistan. He didn’t actually do it and condemned Biden for withdrawing, ostensibly because it was unseemly. Now, he regrets withdrawing at all! Wanting another forward air base to threaten PRC says it all.
Second, our host dutifully gloats over Biden not being able to cash in because he’s unpopular and because of fear of Trump’s retribution. The Trump cultists often signaled their loyalties by insisting Biden was a vegetable trotted out while hopped up on imaginary drugs that temporarily eased symptoms of dementia. Yet of course this dementia was no obstacle to amassing a fortune for the so-called Crime Family, nor was it an obstacle to hiding the paper trail of unprecedented corruption.
Speaking fees are of course one of the legal ways for obedient politicians to be rewarded by their rich (that is, ruling class) sponsors. Aside from conceding that Biden and family somehow did not steal enough money to live on (in suitable style, that is,) the fact that Biden is unpopular with the rich (that is, ruling class) contradicts the Trump cultists delusion that Trump was an enemy to his class. I assure you that such speakers and fees are not chosen because they are popular with the masses. These speakers are always chosen because they are being rewarded and being unpopular with the masses is not an issue.
It may be that businesses are being intimidated by Trump. In a fascist regime, the individual business people have to go along with the politics and dutifully praise or dams whomever they are told to. The businessmen are supposed to be satisfied with the tax breaks, the contracts, the curbing of labor and wages and so forth. The political necessities of Making America Great Again and putting America First are a small price to pay for the ruling class becoming owners of a bigger, restored America that has the dollar as the world reserve currency, sole ownership of all that properly belongs to it and a share in everything else in the world. For the Trump cultists, the thought that Trump is making people shut up is probably gratifying. At this point a number of Trump cultists appear to be Trump cultists because they see Trump as smashing all that dirty politics called democracy and changing to a system of national unity, understood as conformity and order, understood as obedience.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Sep 21 2025 18:32 utc | 70

On the heels of George Floyd’s death, violent protests rocked the country for 5 months. After that, defund the police measures began to reshape law enforcement. Municipal legislation changed to permit cashless bail, which released criminally charged assailants back to the streets, where many committed crimes again. The installation of Diversity, Equity & Inclusion policies into most institutions soon followed. The intent was to engineer society so that black and brown citizens no longer fell between the cracks.
The above measures came about as either Executive Orders during the Biden administration or were hastened into law through community-based measures. Biden even signed Executive Orders offering grants and aid to BIPOC farmers (black indigenous people of color) that were not available to whites, an abuse of Equal Protection Under the Law, which the Supreme Court immediately struck down.
On her podcast this week, Megyn Kelly spoke of the post-George Floyd America she experienced under Collective Biden, a manipulatively ideology-driven America: “I no longer recognized my country.”
Megyn lauded DJT’s admin for working to unwind Joe’s Executive Orders and to bolster law enforcement, for instance, or to end DEI programs in universities and within the federal government. America is restoring itself, according to Megyn. She has begun to recognize again what she sees.
Two days later, in an op-ed for the nytimes focusing on the assassination of Charlie Kirk, Masha Gessen wrote: “Something is dying. This country looks different, sounds different and feels different. Families rupture along political lines; friendships shatter; people and institutions that used to be widely admired are vilified, and yesterday’s villains are sainted; familiar faces disappear from the public sphere; an aggressive conformity takes hold; the material conditions of life change. You realize that you no longer recognize your country.”
Megyn and Masha. A tale of two Americas, amplified by both commentators through their own disparate media outlets. While Megyn fled corporate media (Fox News & NBC) for alternative info-spaces, Masha remains firmly ensconced in corporate media (having jumped from The New Yorker to land safely at the nytimes.)
Masha was especially peeved at the suspension of comedian Jimmy Kimmel from the late-night airwaves: “Civil society makes life more livable. The ongoing attack on civil society, which President Trump plans to intensify in the name of Charlie Kirk, is a part of this program. The Trump administration’s message is that the work of civil society no longer belongs in this country. President Trump is remaking the country in his image: crude, harsh, gratuitously mean.”
To which Ted Nugent opined on X, “Imagine being more upset about a canceled TV show than a political assassination and still thinking you’re a decent human being.”
Information circulated about antifa messages engraved into the bullet casings, and then Utah officials detailed text exchanges between the accused assassin and his trans lover in which the lover asked why the accused had killed Charlie, to which the accused responded, “I was tired of his hate. Some things can’t be negotiated out.”
Yet on the heels of these revelations, including information from the accused’s mother that he had turned toward leftist ideologies, left-leaning corporate media continued to say either that they could not understand the accused’s motive for killing Charlie or that the accused was actually a MAGA-supporting right-winger.
In Masha’s view, writing of Charlie’s assassination, “If the information released by the Utah investigators so far proves accurate, Tyler Robinson might have felt desperate fury. He decided to kill someone he saw as a representative of the force that was immiserating his loved ones. The person who was murdered was a representative of a hateful ideology, the person thought to have killed him was a deluded young man who may have tried to oppose that hatred in the most destructive manner imaginable. And yet something in the transformed landscape of this country tells me I’m not supposed to say so.”
To which Andrew Kolvet, a Turning Point USA spokesman, posted on X: “By spreading the vile lie that Charlie was assassinated by MAGA, the implicit message from Kimmel was clear. If you kill a conservative, we will cover for you. We will whitewash the murder because we don’t think conservatives deserve to live. Kill more. Assassinate more. We have your back.”
Megyn responded to Jimmy Kimmel’s post-suspension assertion that MAGA was working very hard to capitalize on the murder, by saying, “We are not capitalizing on the death of Charlie. We are in mourning. You leftist losers are out there trying to blame us for his death and trying to disparage his legacy. We are trying to correct the record. And for once we are fighting back. You crossed a line that we are not willing to let you cross without a fight.
The assassin who took Charlie Kirk’s life on Sept. 10 may have thought he could kill Kirk’s ideas with the same bullet that he used to steal the lifeblood from the conservative icon, but he was wrong. The outpouring not just of grief but of fellowship that followed the assassination has shown that people who are vessels for an ideal continue to pour forth inspiration even when the vessel is shattered.”
Masha and Megyn of course diverge and represent either ends of the spectrum as far as messaging is concerned. The things which now cause Masha to despair in no longer recognizing a familiar America are exactly opposite to what caused Megyn’s despair under Collective Biden.
Neither commentator’s viewpoint exactly captures the zeitgeist.
A friend in Crimea, post-referendum, described to me how exhausting it was to live in Ukraine before Euromaidan: when X political faction was in power, city streets were named for Soviet figures and the lyrics of the national anthem were changed to reflected a pro-Soviet memory of Ukraine’s history. But when Y political faction came to power, they began to reverse those changes. All at once the city streets that had been named for Soviet figures were renamed for pro-Bandera nationalists or Bandera himself, and the lyrics to the national anthem were changed accordingly.
It was a push-me/pull-you up & down topsy-turvy kind of set-up.
Euromaidan clarified and made explicit the unannounced civil war which had simmered in Ukraine since 1991. Which in my friend Tanya’s eyes made life smoother: both a Ukrainian ethnic and a Russian ethnic, she found life easier w/ the Russian Federation.
So I think of our own push-me/pull-you set-up, American-style.
The assassination of one man has caused an upthrust in disparities, practically on the burst of a single bullet.
Was Charlie Kirk divisive-? Or did he merely say what millions of people believe-?

Posted by: steel_porcupine | Sep 21 2025 18:38 utc | 71

I will remind the bar that every action has a matching response.
It is not wise or prudent to cheer any of these punitive actions against anyone.
With the H-1B fees, the seeds are being sown for a complete economic, educational, and demographic collapse.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 21 2025 18:41 utc | 72

Was Charlie Kirk divisive-? Or did he merely say what millions of people believe-?
Posted by: steel_porcupine | Sep 21 2025 18:38 utc | 71

Is up down-? Or are black and white merely shades of gray-?

Posted by: too scents | Sep 21 2025 18:48 utc | 73

The belief that CHarlie Kirk was turning on the Zionists is strangely parallel to the notion that Kennedy was going to end the Vietnam War. I’m sorry but retroactive gossip is not enough. Kirk making gestures to cover his flanks, throwing a bone to youth who opposed the genocide, is easy to understand. Going all in on anti-Zionism when Trump is committed to equating anti-Zionism and anti-Semitism. What people are actually claiming is that Kirk was going to go all Nick Fuentes. But that’s a counterfactual.
As to the story he turned down oodles of Zionist money? As of now, this is not sourced strongly enough to be treated as a fact. Further, it is often the case that such offers are the political equivalent of vaporware. Kirk could have turned down any offer of future money he didn’t expect to be paid in the event.
As to conversion to Roman Catholicism? I have no idea how that relates to becoming anti-Zionist, not in the US, where Catholics seem to routinely ignore popes, much less bishops. Any sort of rabid Christianity is compatible with anti-Semitism. The notion that God gave Palestine to the Jews can be welded to the proposition that Palestine is the Jews’ country, not the US.
Conspiracy theories about Kirk seem to me to be nonsense.
The announcements about who is or is not cooperating with authorities strongly suggest to me that the authorities are trying to force a script. Given that this is Utah, my guess is they want some sort of show trial where Robinson et al. blame the appropriate enemies for their wickedness, like a convicted witch confessing to signing a contract with the Devil back in the day.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Sep 21 2025 18:50 utc | 74

Conspiracy theories about Kirk seem to me to be nonsense.
Posted by: steven t johnson | Sep 21 2025 18:50 utc | 74

It is a simple fact that Kirk was a professional political operative.
And now he is a statistic.
Things happen like that.

Posted by: too scents | Sep 21 2025 18:55 utc | 75

Birds of a feather stick together, all monsters under one roof.
“The former founder of the Syrian branch of Al Qaeda and co-founder of ISIS will visit NYC in two weeks
His host will be Charles Lister, the fraudulent analyst who classified Al Qaeda’s allies as “moderate rebels” so the CIA, Pentagon and MI6 could justify arming them”
https://nitter.poast.org/MaxBlumenthal/status/1969601082180440334#m

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Sep 21 2025 19:00 utc | 76

Was Charlie Kirk divisive-? Or did he merely say what millions of people believe-?
Posted by: steel_porcupine | Sep 21 2025 18:38 utc | 71
He also said what millions of others absolutely do not believe.
That’s infantilised primary colours politics for you – red crayon or blue crayon: take your pick.
Meanwhile mass formation in progress, take that Charlie Hebdo.

Posted by: ChatNPC | Sep 21 2025 19:08 utc | 77

@Stonebird #56
It means no such thing.
Flesh is actually not a great transmitter of energy. Getting hit by a high powered rifle as a graze is painful and dangerous if a major artery/vein is affect, but getting hit in a bone by the same bullet is catastrophically worse.
Civil war amputations were primarily due to those big bullets hitting bones and shattering them into fragments. The medical technology of the time recognized that the likelihood of getting gangrene and eventual death from such an event was almost guaranteed.
It is the same with IEDs: the “human shrapnel” from IEDs are the teeth and bones, not the meat.

Posted by: c1ue | Sep 21 2025 19:12 utc | 78

mass formation in progress
Posted by: ChatNPC | Sep 21 2025 19:08 utc | 77

Yeehaw!!! Giddyup Lil’ Doggies!

Posted by: too scents | Sep 21 2025 19:15 utc | 79

c1ue | Sep 21 2025 19:12 utc | 78
Those big old slugs had a handful of black powder behind. The trick is to expend all that energy in the target. Whatever hit Kirk did not have much powder behind it.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 21 2025 19:31 utc | 80

@c1ue

Civil war amputations were primarily due to those big bullets hitting bones and shattering them into fragments. The medical technology of the time recognized that the likelihood of getting gangrene and eventual death from such an event was almost guaranteed.

That was still true for WWII German troops (and I presume others too), especially at the Ostfront. Apparently bits of dirty uniform cloth what was typically caused the infection. I remember reading an anecdote by a doctor who saw a scarred veteran in a baths; upon approaching him he confirmed that indeed it had come from an infected wound. It was the only case of a survivor this doctor had seen.

Posted by: persiflo | Sep 21 2025 19:34 utc | 81

Posted by: steel_porcupine | Sep 21 2025 18:38 utc | 71 Gun ownership and using guns in defense of our rights is very much a MAGA thing. A woke family doesn’t raise a sharp shooter. Simplistic, yes. But it’s as simplistic as thinking PMC professors culturally Marxed the guy.
Also simplistic is the idiocy you quoted. You need to get out of the echo chamber. On one point, you should be very clear: Charlie Kirk did not speak for millions of people. He claimed to have an audience of millions and he claimed that they agreed with him. Millions of people had no idea who he was. No one will ever know how many people watched Charlie Kirk for entertainment and never took him seriously. Nor will we know how many strongly agreed with this or that part of his shtick but simply tuned out the rest.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Sep 21 2025 19:38 utc | 82

Dialogue Works: Nima with Max Blumenthal
Max Blumenthal: Charlie Kirk’s Story FALLS APART

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 21 2025 19:40 utc | 83

Trump announced that he ended the terrible war between Armenia and Cambodia
PREVIOUSLY TWICE SAID HE ENDED THE WAR BETWEEN ARMENIA AND ALBANIA
American President Donald Trump once again made a bizarre geographical mistake, declaring the end of the “terrible war between Cambodia and Armenia.”
He did so like this, without mentioning Azerbaijan even afterwards:
“Incredible! We ended a war that was practically impossible to end. Cambodia and Armenia – a terrible war! Just think about that.”
In this context, he also mentioned “conflicts in Kosovo and Serbia, Israel and Iran, Egypt and Ethiopia.”
Trump has made similar slips before.
A week ago, he said he stopped the war between Albania and Azerbaijan.

https://x.com/SprinterExpres0/status/1969838019818717361
Cambodia and Armenia.
He can’t govern but he sure is entertaining.
Next he will be bragging about breaking up grade school fights during recess. 😂😂😂

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 21 2025 19:43 utc | 84

persiflo | Sep 21 2025 19:34 utc | 81
There was a bit in grandfathers diary. He and his mate were scouts. It was their job to go out and find gaps in the wire. One day they went out in daylight because there was going to be a double raid. Dumb buggers, they didn’t crawl, they walked up to the friggin wire. I had read about people not caring much about bom,bs and bullets after a year or so in the trenches and there it was in grandfathers diary.
His mate was hit in the leg and went down and a machine gun was spraying stuff around so he waited at the wire till the British barrage came in to cut the wire. He then made his way back through the barrage. They had to raid the trench first so they could get his mate out. His mate was hit again in the arm when they where going in. His leg and arm were chopped off but he died on the seventh day. That was just a few years before penicillin. 1917 or thereabouts.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 21 2025 19:49 utc | 85

Flesh is actually not a great transmitter of energy.
Posted by: c1ue | Sep 21 2025 19:12 utc | 78
True for the old black powder stuff. High velocity is a different matter. Above 2000 fps or so, perhaps 2600, hydraulic shock comes into the equation.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 21 2025 20:01 utc | 86

Former BIS banker explains the monetary endgame in the west. Might be interesting for some. It’s always to keep on track where things are going behind the smokes and mirrors.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDWkIRFbEXU

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 21 2025 20:10 utc | 87

Erika Kirk ahares her 9/10 experience with the NYT:

The sheriff met her in the hospital. He offered her the option of seeing the body but, she said, advised against it. The bullet, he explained, had ravaged Mr. Kirk’s neck.
“With all due respect,” Ms. Kirk remembered saying, “I want to see what they did to my husband.”
She was braced for the worst, but what she saw surprised her. “His eyes were semi-open,” Ms. Kirk said. “And he had this knowing, Mona Lisa-like half-smile. Like he’d died happy. Like Jesus rescued him. The bullet came, he blinked, and he was in heaven.”
She had not been able to kiss him goodbye when he left the house earlier that morning. She did so then.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/21/us/politics/erika-kirk.html

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Sep 21 2025 20:27 utc | 88

Harpers’ magazine. A bold, full-bodied critique with traces of journalistic disdain and a dry, ironic finish. Opens with a crisp burst of cynicism, immediately revealing notes of biting satire and disillusionment. Mid-palate, it develops into a dense layering of moral outrage, accented by undertones of cultural and political bitterness. Hints of scorched idealism, with a faint aroma of post-nationalist skepticism. Pairs well with burnt black coffee served in a chipped mug, ideally consumed while doomscrolling or rereading Orwell. Quote:

In contrast with the preceding formations, which had been as diverse as the United States itself, nearly all the Green Berets were tall, square-jawed, and white, a reflection of the Special Forces’ insular, misogynistic culture and homogenous racial composition. On the reviewing platform, Senator Joni Ernst, a Republican from Iowa notorious for her trysts with military men, sat up straight and watched them with brightly shining eyes. (harpers)

Posted by: Passerby | Sep 21 2025 20:33 utc | 89

@ suzan | Sep 21 2025 15:20 utc | 39
thanks suzan.. thomas karats views appear to line up with max blumenthals… and yes – it is controlling the narrative ( propaganda ) is central to all this..
@ suzan | Sep 21 2025 15:59 utc | 49
alex krainers question of uks role on the world stage has been irking him for some time.. i think the city of london is the answer to why the uk plays an outsized role and it appears alaistar macleod thinks so too.. here is macleods substack – https://www.macleodfinance.com/

Posted by: james | Sep 21 2025 20:45 utc | 90

james | Sep 21 2025 20:45 utc | 90
A lot of power in the city of London. They are not noisy like the yanks, but they are powerful and nasty.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 21 2025 20:56 utc | 91

persiflo
Thinking about that stuff in grandfathers diary. Back in the day… You would be put in one uniform and I in another. We would both be put in different trenches and told to shoot the shit out of the other bloke.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 21 2025 21:09 utc | 92

Posting here rather than clutter up the Ukraine thread:
What was the last Western weapons development project to enter service on time and under budget?
[scratches head doubtfully]…

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Sep 21 2025 21:13 utc | 93

Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Sep 21 2025 21:13 utc | 93 “What was the last Western weapons development project to enter service on time and under budget?”
The condom? I hear the Americans liberated a lot of French women.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 21 2025 21:16 utc | 94

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 21 2025 21:09 utc | 92
Can we play football on Christmas?
White Feathers

Posted by: lex talionis | Sep 21 2025 21:19 utc | 95

LoveDonbass | Sep 21 2025 21:15 utc | 94 “Don’t remember your past?”
What past are you referring to? I’ve done a bit of different stuff.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 21 2025 21:19 utc | 96

TPUSA functionary Andrew Kolvet’s long “man of steel” tweet is so very magnificently stoopid. It’s as if the agitprop machine throws crap at the wall just to see what sticks, or maybe as a post-COVID intelligence-test for the general population: Are US Americans dumb enough? It’s usually a losing proposition to bet against the gullibility of American Idiots. We’ll see…
People who like to shoot large quadrupeds (Alex Jones, for instance), have described the gaping exit-wounds they see produced by smaller rounds than a .30-06. There’s absolutely no question we’re being lied to, nor that Kolvet & TPUSA are flagrantly in on it. Despite, or rather by means of Kolvet’s disturbing fantasies, we haven’t heard or seen anything resembling an actual coroner’s report of a non-fictional bullet. Nor will we. Kolvet should burn in Hell for this special lie, on this special day.

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Sep 21 2025 21:20 utc | 97

Gnostic Dialectical Materialism: Reconceptualizing the Imperfect Creator within a Dialectical Universe
trot ski, Aiden Lex, et al
Abstract:
This paper explores a synthesis of Gnostic spirituality and dialectical materialism, proposing a framework—termed “Gnostic Dialectical Materialism”—wherein the Demiurge is understood as an imperfect creator operating within a universe driven by dialectical contradictions. Drawing on evolutionary principles and the inherent motion of matter toward equilibrium, the thesis posits that the universe’s imperfections and ongoing conflicts are manifestations of the Demiurge’s dialectical process. This perspective offers novel insights into contemporary religious and philosophical debates about creation, imperfection, and transcendence, suggesting pathways toward gnosis and liberation through recognition of the universe’s dialectical nature.
Introduction:
The intersection of spirituality and materialist philosophy has long been a fertile ground for inquiry, challenging traditional dichotomies between the spiritual and physical realms. Gnosticism, an ancient spiritual movement emphasizing hidden knowledge (gnosis) and often portraying the creator deity (Demiurge) as flawed or ignorant, offers a paradigm where imperfection and spiritual transcendence are central themes. Conversely, dialectical materialism—rooted in Marxist philosophy—views the universe as a dynamic arena of contradictions, where material conditions evolve through conflict and resolution.
This paper aims to synthesize these perspectives into a coherent framework—”Gnostic Dialectical Materialism”—which interprets the universe as a product of dialectical processes enacted by an imperfect Demiurge, itself embedded within the material and temporal realm. We examine the implications of this synthesis for understanding cosmic evolution, the nature of imperfection, and pathways toward spiritual liberation, with an eye toward contemporary philosophical and religious discourses.
Theoretical Framework and Logic of the Thesis:
The core premise posits that if the universe exhibits inherent imperfection—manifested in suffering, chaos, and unresolved contradictions—then the creator responsible for its inception (the Demiurge) may not be an omnipotent, perfect being but rather an imperfect entity ensnared within its own dialectical process. This aligns with traditional Gnostic views, which often depict the Demiurge as a lesser or ignorant god.
Furthermore, the universe’s evolution, driven primarily by matter in motion, can be characterized as a process of gradients—differences in energy, density, or other properties—that strive to reach states of equilibrium. This ongoing motion embodies dialectical contradictions: opposing forces that generate conflict and, ultimately, transformation. In dialectical systems, these contradictions are not anomalies but the fundamental drivers of change.
By integrating these ideas, the thesis suggests that the universe’s perpetual state of imperfection is a consequence of the dialectical process enacted by the Demiurge, who is itself subject to the same contradictions. Consequently, this universe is a self-sustaining cycle of conflict and resolution, where transcendence involves recognizing this dialectical nature and achieving gnosis—an awareness of the universe’s true, dialectical fabric.
Hypotheses:
1. The universe’s inherent imperfections are the result of dialectical contradictions embedded within the creative process of the Demiurge.
2. The Demiurge, as an imperfect creator, is itself a product of dialectical processes, and its limitations are inherent to its nature.
3. Evolutionary dynamics driven by gradients and conflict are manifestations of the dialectical motion of matter, reflecting the ongoing struggle and resolution of contradictions.
4. Spiritual liberation or gnosis involves recognizing the dialectical nature of the universe and transcending the cycle of conflict through knowledge, leading to a form of metaphysical emancipation.
Implications for Contemporary Religious and Philosophical Thought:
This framework challenges traditional notions of omnipotent, perfect divinity by positioning the creator within the realm of dialectical imperfection. It bridges spiritual narratives with scientific understandings of evolution and matter, offering a unified perspective that emphasizes process and conflict as fundamental to existence.
In contemporary religious discourse, this approach encourages reinterpretations of salvation and enlightenment, emphasizing awareness of the universe’s dialectical nature as a path to transcendence. Philosophically, it invites reconsideration of the relationship between matter and spirit, suggesting that spiritual evolution is intertwined with understanding the material dialectic.
Moreover, this synthesis provides a platform for dialog between scientific naturalism and spiritual thought, fostering a worldview that sees conflict, imperfection, and evolution not as flaws but as intrinsic features of the cosmic order.
Conclusion:
The proposed “Gnostic Dialectical Materialism” offers a novel lens through which to interpret the universe’s nature, emphasizing the role of contradictions, evolution, and imperfect creation. By viewing the Demiurge as a dialectical agent operating within a universe of perpetual conflict, this framework aligns ancient spiritual insights with modern materialist philosophy, proposing that transcendence arises from recognizing and understanding this dialectical fabric.
Future research could explore empirical and metaphysical pathways toward gnosis within this paradigm, fostering a deeper integration of spiritual wisdom and scientific understanding. Ultimately, this synthesis invites a reimagining of creation, imperfection, and transcendence as interconnected facets of a dynamic, dialectical cosmos.

Posted by: trot ski | Sep 21 2025 21:26 utc | 98

LoveDonbass
That stuff in grandfathers diary. There was also a few other things. I looked them up.German lighters, German buttons, German belt buckles. The Aussies would raid the trenches on the other side. That day my grandfathers mate got whacked, it was a double tap. They raided the trench then when the engineers came in to fix it, the hit again. That stuff is both in my grandfathers diary and the official records in Canberra.
I looked at his enlistment form. He signed up to fight for King and country.
He became a peacenik after that. Never spoke about it. Wouldn’t let his son my father go off to war.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 21 2025 21:30 utc | 99

Cut to the facts: Kirk died an unrepentant, at least publicly, Zionist.
That is damage done that can only be forgiven by God and the Palestinians.
That he might have been undergoing a seachange is speculative at best.
To the extent that we have footage of him hemming and hawing about Israel can easily be seen in light of the gatekeeper’s role to feel the temperature of the room and adjust the Overton Window inorganically as needed.
As I have said, it is convenient that multi-millionaire Candy Owens and her royal husband would start pushing the narrative that Kirk was base regarding Israel and that he was considering Catholicism. And that is for two reasons:
1) Kirk’s leftover youth base will be driven into the arms of Miss Owens and others who as of very recent have come out against Israel. They will go to these figures for instruction instead of heading over to Nicholas Fuentes who is experiencing a large surge of popular viewership and has been redpilled on Judaism for close to a decade.
2) Catholic Youth, the biggest growing demographic in Christianity currently, will be handed over to Kirk’s successors for further instruction in acceptable modes of questioning Jewish Supremacy, as opposed to being folded into Catholic Nicholas Fuentes more staunch, anti-Judaic outlook.
Remember, we are taking about gatekeeping the masses here that every now and then need to see a change in prevailing media attitudes to follow Operation: Mockingbird’s MO.
We are given the notion that the media is coming along and so this deactivates the critical sector in our thinking and where we again yield to the so-called anti-establishment media figures to do the heavy lifting for us.

But why not just keep Kirk alive if we are Israel? Wasn’t Kirk doing a fine job with the youth up to that point.
No.
And this is the crux of the issue. Despite what Candy Owens and others will tell you, and even legacy media now broadcasting his memorial with 100K people in attendance, Kirk was not as brilliant as Nicholas Fuentes. Not by a country mile.
Debating airhead college bimbos about abortion and unseasoned Marxists on campus was easy pickings for Mr. Kirk and would be for any conservative worth their salt.
But the oyster has always been the JQ and as Christian Evangelicalism is on the wane in the U.S. to an ascending Catholicism, and there is data to prove Evangelicals are becoming less interested in Israel as a state (the overall hold of their immoral eschatology is on the wane), Charlie Kirk was becoming more and more ineffective as the youth has become more and more redpilled to the role of Israel and Jews on the U.S..
It is my thought that zionism no longer was looking to Mr. Kirk to deliver the youth to neoconservatism and indeed, had already conceded that Kirk had lost to an ascending Fuentes.
If you take a look at any media in the past three years, you will see a complete undoing of attempts to censor conservative thought on such issues as black violence, DEI, unfettered immigration, and the JQ.
Your grandma has probably had the thought that maybe six million is a little high.
There was no need for Kirk to have a redpilled moment and there was certainly no fear of it from his handlers, because the JQ has already breached containment in the mediasphere.
At this point, it is scary to entertain, but entirely plausible to think that his zio-paymasters merely realized that Kirk was worth more dead than alive.
By painting him as having an awakening and trying to undo 10 years of hard-core Israel-shilling, you rehab him into a base conservative the youth can again be energized by. It steals Fuentes’ thunder and gives Candy Owens a bigger share of the eyeballs that Israel needs to keep in check (the youth).
To sum this up, it must stand that Fuentes, despite his inability currently to consider Israel’s involvement in Kirk’s murder, is the only authentic media figure here currently. His takedown of Candy Owens and Tucker was just too brilliant for me to concede that Owens and Carlson are acting in good faith.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Sep 21 2025 21:36 utc | 100