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September 7, 2025
The MoA Week In Review – OT 2025-203

Remember these cruise missiles which I claimed do not yet exist? Aviation Week has details:

> The ERAM has emerged within a mere 14 months since the release of solicitation in August 2024—the prototype air-launched cruise missiles have a scheduled delivery in October.

The plan now is to deliver a first lot of 840 ERAMs, split between two designs separately produced by Virginia-based CoAspire and California-based Zone 5 Technologies, by the end of October 2026, the documents say.

Although Ukraine is cleared to buy up to 3,550 missiles, the first production run is smaller. The first 10 are scheduled for delivery in October. <

Last week's posts on Moon of Alabama:

  • Sep 6 – Outage
    Related:
    – Typepad is closing down. I am currently working to move this blog elsewhere. I will let you know more when it is going to happen.


Other issues:

Gaza:

Africa:

Europe:

Google (or why I don't use it …):

Use as open (not related to the wars in Ukraine and Palestine) thread …

Comments

b wrote “Google (or why I don’t use it …):”
But what do you use, b?
I have struggled with this issue and do not have a good answer.
I use Google pretty much close to never.
I use start.duckduckgo.com
or sometimes yandex.com
But I don’t trust them either.

Posted by: Otto Penn | Sep 7 2025 12:38 utc | 1

“- Typepad is closing down. I am currently working to move this blog elsewhere. I will let you know more when it is going to happen.”
Very relieved. Your articles not only provide a rare oasis of sanity. They, and the comments on them and the links provided, will be key material for historical research in the future. I wish they could be archived somewhere safe. Preferably in print! The internet is such a fragile medium

Posted by: English Outsider | Sep 7 2025 13:16 utc | 2

Spoiler alert: I’m giving away the conclusion to Thomas Fazi’s question Where are the peacekeepers for Gaza?

We are the UN
But if even this last resort is not taken, one must conclude, as a participant in the Global Sumud Flotilla put it: international law is dead. We, the peoples of the world, must be the “united nations” to enforce law and justice.

Here we have the recipe for a hopium quesadilla: a little touch of cheesy truth — a conditional acknowledgement of the nonexistence of international law — wrapped in thick steaming layers of tantamount tortilla! Make no mistake: we are, or at least must be, the “united nations” (small u, small n)! Whew boy, now I’m fired up and inspired. Or maybe it’s just the coffee kicking in…

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Sep 7 2025 13:27 utc | 3

Posted by: Otto Penn | Sep 7 2025 12:38 utc | 1
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Information is no longer passive.
Those who continue to “feed” their minds with TV, radio, approved podcasts, are being presented narrow slivers of information doused in the heavy bias of propaganda and censorship.
The intelligent and discerning curate multiple feeds of data, not relying on the primacy of a single source.
A Twitter feed, a YouTube feed, a Telegram feed.
A personal network recommends and drives expansion and pruning of the data sources.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 7 2025 13:28 utc | 4

posted prev. thread.
Britain’s Descent Towards Civil War is No Accident
https://dailysceptic.org/2025/09/03/britains-descent-towards-civil-war-is-no-accident/
A confused + some points OK article, too wordy and mixing up different arguments (readers supposed to nod, yes, wise, great argument..) preachy, and maybe… sneaky…
quote:
The prospect of civil conflict is no longer whispered in private but debated openly. This is a healthy development. Britain and Europe are grappling with the results of elite overreach — economic stagnation, political paralysis, social fragmentation…
So it is coming on…
Notice how all over Europe the ‘migrant crisis’ is getting front pages, and any unrest – major demo – violence, is called a ‘migrant riot’, whatever that is supposed to mean. (Ex. an anti-police breakout in Switz. is called a ‘migrant riot’ by Politico.)
In Europe, Gvmts. are trying to stir up strife to legitimise crack-downs, the old divide to conquer strategy, plus, to mobilise young ppl to join repressive, authoritarian bodies, be violent (for or against XYZ, even in gangs, join the army, etc.)
Britain considers itself a master of propaganda spewing / psychological manipulation (‘nudging’ by very primitive moves, carrot + stick, awards, and more subtle, varied, control mechs, via MSM but not only) and their aim is to be first in that field, control their populace, and sell their expertise. They are VERY good at it.
In much of the ‘prop’ when ‘CIVIL WAR’ is hyped as looming, no distinctions are made, e.g. as between take down of the sitting Gvmt. by a coalition of nay-sayers who attack the rulers successfully / violence between two or more different factions – groups – tribes etc. / infiltration by outside powers / influence from afar (e.g. color revolutions) / terrorist ‘actions’ by small splinter groups that aim to polarise, change an agenda, etc.
The ‘results’ of the ‘civil war’ (aimed for, hoped for, or whatever) are never mentioned at all. Often, the outcome is splitting of territory under ‘local’ Mafia type control, but that is another story, I’m no historian.

Posted by: Noirette | Sep 7 2025 13:44 utc | 5

My estlmate of an insolvency crisis in 2027 for the Federal Gov‘t remains

Posted by: Exile | Sep 7 2025 13:48 utc | 6

“Typepad is closing down. I am currently working to move this blog elsewhere. I will let you know more when it is going to happen.”
You don’t have to move it anywhere, you have the domain, for us it would be transparent
Yes, for you there is a platform migration (and should you need help there are volunteers for helping)
Something like this with the org variant
https://www.beingpeterkim.com/2014/04/typepad-to-wordpress.html

Posted by: Newbie | Sep 7 2025 13:49 utc | 7

ERAM, Aviation “leak” (I lost my respect for aviation week decades ago) suggests the new innovative approach, design two missiles (presume risk reduction by not having a single “product baseline”) with two companies who have never done it before…….. The usual slow, failing Dept of War acquisition process has really never been tried so why not try a new, unimpeded approach to laundering money to the MIC for the nazis in Lvov.
Observations:
Two test fires presume one from each vendor have been “flown”. Before WW II such rigorous testing was done with the Mk XIV torpedo. Two shots one failed the failure assumed to be anomaly. Too many US submarines missed too many Japanese ships supplying the invasions in 1942.
The thing is probably a kluge of diverse components already in other weapons. It has not been given a “nomenclature” presume there is no engineering control of the product nor repair procedures.
Hire two new to MIC money churn vendors, what could go wrong? Seems Dept of War wants to use various two car garage engineers.
Send them 3350, assume a 1% attrition of the bombing aircraft. There go 33 fighters….. or more.
Finally, behind lines targets are always so impactful on losing everything at the front!

Posted by: paddy | Sep 7 2025 14:08 utc | 8

A great number of important events occurred while MoA was down. I posted “Global Governance Initiative=UN Charter 2.0” as my report on the SCO Summit that was capped by “Putin’s PM Presser from Beijing” that’s being talked about everywhere on alt-media. I provided the entire transcript of the Eastern Economic Forum in two parts, “10th Eastern Economic Forum Plenary Session, Part One” and “Part Two EEF Plenary Session”, both of which are long reads.
I reported on Xi’s newest initiative, “Another Chinese Initiative: The Global Governance Initiative”, and wrote the following interpretation of what the GGI entailed given the added overall context of the Taijin Declaration, “Global Governance Initiative=UN Charter 2.0”.
There are several other reports barflies might find interesting related to Putin’s travels in the Far East I reported on after the major events. I’ve yet to read or view a good overall analysis of the past 8 days-worth of events, although Pepe Escobar did provide a good 6-minute summation of the EEF.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 7 2025 14:11 utc | 9

https://www.rt.com/news/624233-finnish-mp-past-prostitution/
She was a prostitute. Now, she’s a politician….
Sometimes, the jokes just write themselves.

Posted by: Eighthman | Sep 7 2025 14:20 utc | 10

Re: “Powering Up the Global South”
This is a garbage publication. RMI – ie the Rocky Mountain Institute – is the multi-decadal NGO vehicle for Amory Lovins. Enough said.
Note that I am not against solar power, period.
There certainly are some use cases in Africa where it makes sense, but the problem is that solar power as national infrastructure is a first world solution that doesn’t even work well in the first world.
This is different than off grid households or even villages using solar in place of nothing – were it not for the massive capital cost problem.
To give an idea of how ridiculous this concept is: Africa has something like 70000 miles of high voltage transmission lines. The United States alone has 500,000 miles and Europe – 310K to 340K.
Building hundreds of thousands of miles of transmission lines, along with all of their accompanying transformers and substations and whatnot, is extremely expensive. End user transmission is certainly also, proportionately, not built out in Africa.
Now add in the massive capital cost of solar: basically paying most of the cost up front in the form of capital. Africa doesn’t have money as it is – where will it get the massive sums to pay for all this?
The primary impact of Africa “going greentech” will be a massive slowing of electrification across the continent because the “green field build” capital cost per household for greentech is many multiples that of fossil fuels.

Posted by: c1ue | Sep 7 2025 14:22 utc | 11

Harvest time…
So many cherry tomatoes, I plan to start deliveries to the nearby library tomorrow. Last year they started hosting a surplus harvest & other food drop off in their entranceway. All free for the taking.
I harvested my 1st peruvian purple potato plant yesterday. 2+ pounds, ranging in size from “red globe” grape to the largest peruvian I’ve ever grown. Too big to even qualify as a fingerling! This was from the sandiest portion in my mostly heavily composted garden ever. Looking forward to the richer areas.
A couple more potato plants started collapsing overnight, so I’ll be going for them next.
I’ve wanted to thank those of you who were so supportive when I lost Hennessey last spring. It turned out it wasn’t Hennessey after all, but Henrietta the “outcast.” There was always something not right about her. She was bottom rung in the beginning, behind the others in development & size, yet always bold & spunky. She did not lay many eggs; only 7 as a 2 year old. Twice I was in the barn when she laid, it was a blood curdling scream. Twice last winter I found a fresh drop of blood under their roost, but could never confirm who it came from.
Anyway, I had planned to add 2 or 3 to the flock. I ended up with 3 pullets: 2 Welsumer & a Speckled Sussex. I got them at 1-2 weeks old; they’re now 2 1/2 months old. They live & go out in the same space as the adults, but separated by a covered pen while they get to know each other.

Posted by: Mary | Sep 7 2025 14:29 utc | 12

The other bullshit part of the “greentech revolution in Africa” propaganda is the assertion that Africa does not have fossil fuels.
Utter bollocks. Among other things: Europe is importing ever increasing quantities of natural gas from Morocco/Algeria.
Africa has a lot of proven natural gas reserves.
Nigeria is also the 9th largest oil exporter in the world.
South Africa and the nations near it have massive coal reserves.
Are there fossil fuels in between? ie interior Africa and East/NE Africa? Yes. CAR has a lot of natural gas.
What is happening is the usual Western/IMF bullshit: only give money to pay for what the West considers acceptable – be it non-competing food crops or “greentech”.
And again: the outcome is slower electrification than if other avenues ie fossil fuels were executed.
I haven’t looked deeply, but I would bet money that Africa’s “increasing fossil fuel imports” are more a function of refined products as opposed to raw fossil fuels. Or more specifically, gasoline and diesel for road transport of people and goods.
I also love how Canada and the US are painted as “First world” when they are both among the largest fossil fuel extractors.

Posted by: c1ue | Sep 7 2025 14:33 utc | 13

There still seems to be no interest in international law that would prohibit any state, corporation, person or entity from violating someone’s un inalienable human rights?
The UN has mandated it but has allowed sovereignty to interfere so human rights have never been enforced. If zero tolerance for infringement of the Un inalienable human rights were enforced I think it will eliminate war, assassination, military invasion, corrupt government officials and dismantle the privately owned population control by propaganda system that keeps the few so wealthy in relation to the many.

Posted by: snake | Sep 7 2025 14:54 utc | 14

@LoveDonbass | Sep 7 2025 13:28 utc, who said (excerpted):

Information is no longer passive.
Those who continue to “feed” their minds with TV, radio, approved podcasts, are being presented narrow slivers of information doused in the heavy bias of propaganda and censorship.
The intelligent and discerning curate multiple feeds of data, not relying on the primacy of a single source.
A personal network recommends and drives expansion and pruning of the data sources.

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LD: as time permits, please elaborate more on this vital subject. Seems there are a few dimensions to consider:
a. ID new sources. What steps did/do you take to ID new sources, vet them, decide that they merited attention over time, and
b. Triangulation (colliding sources, comparing viewpoints, etc.) to construct a composite world-view from the parts which survived the collision, and therefore seemed durable/valid enough to include in your evolving world-view, and
c. Dialog. The collisions of assertions/opinions take effort to provoke, conduct, etc. What habits, attitudes, etc. do you advocate for which yield max collisions with minimum effort?
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And to B: Thank you very much for doing the extra work nec to re-host MoA. This is a timely moment, possibly, to solicit input (e.g. “new requirements”) from the Bar on the dimension of “what would you, Barfly, like to see a) stay the same and b) change in the next edition of MoA?”
You only re-platform once in a great while. It’s an unusual opportunity.
Thanks again for all your terrific work.

Posted by: Tom Pfotzer | Sep 7 2025 14:57 utc | 15

Typepad is closing down.
glad to hear b will find a new place.
One where comments can be gathered in threads and where you could reply directly and see if you got a response would be great.

Posted by: Michael Droy | Sep 7 2025 15:12 utc | 16

Re: Typepad migration…
I vote for Substack, monetization there could be good for b, however:

While Substack supports importing content from platforms such as WordPress, Medium, Ghost, and Mailchimp, it does not currently support direct imports from Typepad. Users seeking to move from Typepad to Substack will need to first export their content from Typepad and then manually transfer it or use an intermediary step, such as migrating to WordPress first, which has dedicated import tools for Typepad.

Since migrating the volume of comments here will prove to be a daunting task for any platform, we can expect those to be vaporized.
Multiple subscriptions on Substack can add up. It would be great if they would offer bundles of 5 or 10 at a discount. The larger volume of subscribers would offset the discount.

Posted by: Fool Me Twice | Sep 7 2025 15:42 utc | 17

Eighthman | Sep 7 2025 14:20 utc | 10
Not all prostitutes are politicians, but all politicians are prostitutes

Posted by: Jerry Cairns | Sep 7 2025 15:43 utc | 18

c1ue – I’m sure you know all about distributed (rooftop or village scale) or small scale solar … these systems may be quite cost efficient, not requiring much distribution infrastructure at all and promoting local self-reliance, which would go a long way to promote good governance, which Africa needs greatly. Just solving refrigeration/lighting/cooling/water treatment needs of the people would be a HUGE step up for quality of life for billions.

Posted by: Caliman | Sep 7 2025 15:45 utc | 19

Pepe Escobar Wraps Up Eastern Economic Forum (& vid)
https://x.com/SputnikInt/status/1964312639234068953
“Key takeaways on Russia’s global strategy…”

Posted by: John Gilberts | Sep 7 2025 15:47 utc | 20

@ b
good luck moving moa to some other place… as english outsider says – it would be good to save all the past articles in book form or written, as opposed to on the internet..
@ mary – enjoy the harvest! we went to a farmers market yesterday and really enjoyed it..

Posted by: james | Sep 7 2025 16:03 utc | 21

“Typepad is closing down. I am currently working to move this blog elsewhere. I will let you know more when it is going to happen.”
I was thinking b might want to retire given such a platform migration takes plenty of energy but happy to read that.

Posted by: xor | Sep 7 2025 16:04 utc | 22

She was a prostitute. Now, she’s a politician….
Sometimes, the jokes just write themselves.
Posted by: Eighthman | Sep 7 2025 14:20 utc | 10

Don’t laugh. As an ex-prostitute she is probably 100 times more trustworthy and honourable than 99% of other politicians.

Posted by: BM | Sep 7 2025 16:06 utc | 23

Russia’s Biggest Bank Sounds Warning About Economy
https://www.rt.com/business/624174-russian-economy-sber-warning/
“The Russian economy is slowing and needs lower borrowing costs to restore growth, Herman Gref, CEO of the country’s biggest lender Sber, has warned…Gref described the second quarter (April-June) as a period of ‘technical stagnation’ and urged timely measures to avoid slipping into recession…”

Posted by: John Gilberts | Sep 7 2025 16:28 utc | 24

@Caliman #19
Rooftop solar: depends on context.
The value add declines dramatically as you scale monthly electricity usage.
For example: just having enough electricity for night-time lighting, internet service and refrigeration is a huge bonus.
However, as you scale towards full air conditioning or EV charging…not so much.
Against this value add: you have cost. Refrigeration and night-time lighting requires storage. A Western level of refrigerator requires around 1 to 2 kWh per day. Western lighting is roughly comparable, but of course is far, far above what basic need entails.
So let’s call this 3 kWh a day.
With rain/storms/clouds/seasons – you would need at least 20 kWh of storage to have a reasonable chance of not losing food.
A 20kWh battery is $10K.
A 3kW solar system costs $9K.
There are additional costs, but let’s call this $20K for simplicity sake.
Given that the average monthly pay in Africa is under $800 – this shows just how unaffordable even a light+fridge system would be – the average African could very possibly not even be able to pay the interest on a $20K loan for a solar system ($1000 a year at 5% interest).
For shits and grins – let’s scale the above to an “average” American household: 30 kWh a day.
Amazon has this 30kW solar kit for $19K: source
But this “off grid” kit has only 3kWh of storage. Meh. Actual cost is probably around $50K to $100K all in for a 200kWh storage setup. So call it $70K to $120K for a full off grid, Western style setup.
Still pretty fucking unaffordable.
The only reason it works is due to massive subsidies: federal tax credits, state tax credits, feed-in tariff credits, no charges for feed-in grid costs, no clawbacks for feedin during oversupply periods, being able to tap into the grid when the sun isn’t shining, etc etc.
Sure, you can do variants: no storage or minimal storage and just live on canned/dried food all the time, and no lights/internet during long periods of low/no solar production. You can use lead-acid batteries – cheaper by far.
But there is a reason why modern living depends on a functional electricity grid: it is the cheapest, most reliable method of getting electricity to populations.
Individual offgrid solar rooftop ain’t it.

Posted by: c1ue | Sep 7 2025 16:36 utc | 25

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPOhFXL16Gc
This guy confirms what I thought about the UK. Previous PM’s have been removed for far less than what Starmer has done.
My God, what’s gone wrong with the UK? Has all the fight gone out of them? They should be erecting a scaffold or guillotine by now and this regime is still in office.

Posted by: Eighthman | Sep 7 2025 17:02 utc | 26

c1ue @25
You’re right. Those stupid Africans should save up until they can afford some nuke plants and a few $billion in smart grid infrastructure. They should listen to you and not waste money on small scale solar for charging stations for their mobile devices and community wifi and power for small shops that are not open long enough after sunset to worry about the cheap powerpack for the LED lights going flat anyway.
But they ARE buying into solar and using it right now. How stupid is that? I don’t know. Obviously they’ve come up with lots of use cases that your imagination failed to uncover, but I know you’re just concerned that they use their resources wisely, isn’t that so?

Posted by: William Gruff | Sep 7 2025 17:12 utc | 27

b already closed comments on aug 29 “Why 3,350 New Bombs For Ukraine Will Not Make A Difference”, what a great post, i should have commented when i first read it. anyway, onward, what would we do w/out Sunday morning week in reviews? thank you b!

Posted by: annie | Sep 7 2025 17:17 utc | 28

Posted by: Caliman | Sep 7 2025 15:45 utc | 19
Re: Micro-grid solar – Africa
I’ve been reading a bit about this, and studies seem to indicate that for only around 45% of Africans would large-scale Solar PV+Storage be an affordable and accessible solution.
This is especially true for nations with very little grid infrastructure, like Somalia.
For these circumstances, as you suggest, smaller micro-grids (aka island-grids) are a cost effective and very viable solution.
While the IEA predicts that Northern Africa will still be likely to source ~85% of their electricity from fossil fuels by 2030-2040, the falling costs of solar PV/inverters/batteries should be able to provide the majority with electricity.
Forward projections of the LCOE (Levelised Cost Of Energy) to 2030 anticipate a wholesale rate of ~$0.02 to $0.05 per kWh (kilowatt-hour). This is cheaper than building new coal or gas plants, or going nuclear.
Small-scale micro-grids provide more evenly distributed and ongoing employment opportunities, but are slightly more expensive as a consequence when compared to the scaling factor savings for large solar farms.
Desert Knowledge in Alice Springs, Northern Territory, Australia, did some fantastic work designing and implementing fairly bulletproof micro-grids for a roll-out on Aboriginal lands as part of a diesel offset program. This was started over 20 years ago.

Posted by: Jon_in_AU | Sep 7 2025 17:17 utc | 29

Addendum for clarity:
“…the falling costs of solar PV/inverters/batteries should be able to provide the majority (of the rest of the continent) with electricity.”

Posted by: Jon_in_AU | Sep 7 2025 17:22 utc | 30

Jon in AU – Thanks for the information … very useful.
c1ue – I think your numbers are (1) out of date and (2) not relevant to African cost structures (as opposed to western costs) and (3) don’t account for lack of options, as others have indicated.
In other words, the options here are centralized fossil/nuke/etc. with humongous infrastructure costs versus distributed solar/wind/storage whose cost is dropping all the time as Chinese genius works on it. I’m betting on the latter, by necessity.

Posted by: Caliman | Sep 7 2025 17:46 utc | 31

The assumption of the CHRSTIAN SCIENCE MONITOR and others (https://www.csmonitor.com/World/Asia-Pacific/2025/0903/china-russia-india-military-parade) that PR China’s leaders want to rule the world the way the US’ leaders do is completely wrong, of course. China is NOT a militaristic civilization, as millennia of history show. China has been the leading country in the world several times, and the sky hasn’t fallen yet.

Posted by: lester | Sep 7 2025 17:47 utc | 32

“The great problem, of course, is that the Americans want to blow up the world if they can’t control it and dominate all other countries. ” [https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2025/09/michael-hudson-sco-and-brics-2025.html%5D
Too true, I’m afraid.

Posted by: lester | Sep 7 2025 17:54 utc | 33

Posted by: c1ue | Sep 7 2025 16:36 utc | 25

What a brilliant example of motivated reasoning: anything that China excels in—manufacturing renewable energy solutions in this case—is automatically bad. Yes, I’m aware that c1ue never mentioned China in his comment, but considering his past comment history, I have no doubt that it is on his mind. This sentence from the Rocky Mountain Institute report must have irked c1ue: “China has already announced enough cleantech capacity to supply all of the demand of the Global South, and since 2023 has invested over $100 billion into cleantech around the world.”
Over at NYT (Aug. 26, 2025), cheap Chinese PV is portrayed as China dumping its excess production onto African countries. On MoA, the MAGA expert on everything under the sun, c1ue, goes the other way and says that PV is too expensive to be viable for African countries.
Let’s just trust the back-of-the-napkin calculations of a MAGA cultist who shares Trump’s obsession with fossil fuel over those of scientific publications by experts. The scientific studies must have been paid for by the big photovoltaic lobby. Meanwhile, MAGA operates on gut intuition that you just know feels right. There definitely isn’t a fossil fuel lobby!
Since c1ue is also a free market cultist, he can’t help but throw a jab at subsidies too. It’s all subsidies, renewable energy can only work because of subsidies. Fossil fuels definitely don’t have subsides! Let’s also ignore the externalities such as health problems resulting from pollution due to fossil fuel usage.

Most energy-poor communities (92% of the 1.2 billion people) are concentrated in only 27 of the 71 countries under study. Table 4 provides estimates for these 27 countries (Table S.4 in the Supplementary Information shows the data for all countries). These estimates show that, as a no-regret option, PV ranges from negligible (mostly
in Asia) to dominant. The countries with higher percent of unelectrified population living in areas where PV is a no-regret option (third column) are mostly those with high diesel prices (in 2012 or in 2016 or in both see Sect. “Techno-economic conditions for decentralized photovoltaic and diesel options”) e.g. Burkina Faso, Angola and Malawi. In countries with big fuel subsidies, the situation is reversed and low percent of unelectrified population lives in no-regret PV areas. These low level fuel taxes are hard to explain on social or environmental grounds. Economic policy instruments to level these rates would create revenues for governments and would increase the competitiveness of PV in these countries.
For 71 countries and at a high resolution, the article reports a methodology that can be used to identify communities that can afford PV minigrids. These communities are a no-regret option for PV investors, because PV is the cheapest option, even under unfavourable PV conditions. Together, these areas are home to a large number of people who can afford the electricity tariffs associated with PV minigrids. Investing in PV technologies rather than diesel-based technologies would therefore be justified on two accounts: (a) the O&M costs associated with the electricity generation technology, and (b) health and environmental concerns.
At present, most national investment decisions on electrification are shortsighted. They often put too much weight on up-front costs, even if the magnitude of these costs may eventually render the investment futile. The findings reported here are directly relevant to governments in low-income countries as well as to development agencies and banks. Specifically, the methodology used, which is extensively documented in the methods section, could be used to inform the design of future electrification programmes, especially those targeting rural areas with low purchasing power.
<a href="https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-82638-x

“>https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-82638-x

Posted by: All Under Heaven | Sep 7 2025 18:02 utc | 34

a. ID new sources. What steps did/do you take to ID new sources, vet them, decide that they merited attention over time, and
b. Triangulation (colliding sources, comparing viewpoints, etc.) to construct a composite world-view from the parts which survived the collision, and therefore seemed durable/valid enough to include in your evolving world-view, and
c. Dialog. The collisions of assertions/opinions take effort to provoke, conduct, etc. What habits, attitudes, etc. do you advocate for which yield max collisions with minimum effort?
Posted by: Tom Pfotzer | Sep 7 2025 14:57 utc | 15
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1. On many social media services, you can see who follows whom. On Twitter (which I use the most) I see retweets which is someone promoting what someone else has to say. It’s almost like a referral. Not every services has that sort of sharing feature.
Then, if I like the retweet content, I may subscribe to the person I was referred to, and the process begins again, as I refer you, and then you refer b, and b refers karlof1, and so on, before you know it, I am 3 or 4 layers deep into content.
Now, it is important to prune. Adding is easy, but then the feed becomes excessively noisy. Ideally, we want the 3 or 4 best pieces of content, we don’t need 20. No time to read, and it is unlikely that there will be much differentiation.
Pruning, IMO, should be a ruthless endeavor. There is no shortage of opinion or content. Anyone can be cut for someone better. At one point, a cut or two for every addition may make sense.
2. I personally want contrasting opinions, but I do not want psyops or propaganda. Sometimes it can be informative to get the narrative view, but one should learn to identify those and regard their content through that lens. Every opinion has merit if one understands the motivation behind it.
3. I have had a Twitter account for a long time and use it only for reading. I do give likes (hearts), but I resist the urge to pile on or debate. I am on Twitter to get information, not to engage in mud-slinging catharsis.
When I was on Telegram, I would do likes, but never post. No one gives a crap about what I have to say, and I am not trying to gain a following or change the world, even less so since I became a Muslim and now regard everything as predestined.
Relative anonymity is a habit for me. Who I am, what I like, how unbelievably handsome I am 😉, that is irrelevant to learning and information gathering.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 7 2025 18:23 utc | 35

The Hyundai raid joined the Venezuelan speedboat obliteration as two high-profile incidents of monumental stupidity on behalf of the Trump admin within a single week. Yes, the available resources of personnel and firepower resulted in successful missions, on their own terms, but the optics and the underlying rationales reveal a limited grasp of legal principle and/or effective implementation of policy.
The Hyundai raid, for example, will eventually prove to have seriously damaged the Trump initiative to promote foreign investment in the USA, as well as creating a major rift with an important Asian region ally. According to reporting by CNN, the raid was in fact largely a “fishing expedition” in that the operative warrants could identify merely four persons of interest, while the authorities hoped use the raid to gather further records which might support the decision to utilize a “substantial” sweep.
Claims that “all 475 people taken into custody were illegally in the US” will likely prove incorrect. This information will probably not be reported in the USA, whereas it will be an enduring topic of interest in South Korea, where 300 of the detainees have now been returned. The Hyundai plant, still under construction, may never be finished.
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https://www.cnn.com/2025/09/06/us/georgia-hyundai-plant-raid-timeline
“A search warrant filed Tuesday in the Southern District of Georgia identified four people specifically to be searched, but authorities arrived with substantial personnel and equipment, suggesting an intention to conduct a broader sweep. All 475 people taken into custody were illegally in the US, said Steven Schrank, a Homeland Security Investigations special agent in charge…
The warrant revealed that officials sought records related to ‘violations of conspiracy to conceal, harbor or shield’ people in the US illegally. The sought-after records included employment and recruitment records, correspondence with federal officials and identification and immigration documents.”

Posted by: jayc | Sep 7 2025 18:29 utc | 36

Otto Penn | Sep 7 2025 12:38 utc | 1
duckduckgo changed hands back in 2014. Since the its just been another google look alike. all western browsers/search engines that run on windows are the same. It was through the few years up to 2014 that all western search engines became politically censored.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 7 2025 18:30 utc | 37

Reuters headline – “‘Five Eyes’ ministers meet to discuss smashing people smuggling gangs, UK says”.
I wonder which country the UK wants to attack now…. Child trafficking into the UK is a state run operation so combating people smuggling is not their aim.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 7 2025 18:38 utc | 38

@ Jon_in_AU | Sep 7 2025 17:22 utc | 30
you need copper for electricity.. do you know what kind of footprint copper mining makes on the planet?? i recommend a book called ‘material world’ by ed conway, where he goes into 6 substances/minerals and the importance of them for continuing as we do in our present lifestyle.. gread book from 2023..
Material World
The Six Raw Materials That Shape Modern Civilization

Posted by: james | Sep 7 2025 18:59 utc | 39

I’ve translated a recent essay by Fyodor Lukyonov, “The SCO Summit Should Be Viewed Through the Prism of Overall Big Shifts”, that was picked up and altered by RT.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 7 2025 19:11 utc | 40

To the tune of Three Lions
Hegemon still dreaming,
Reserve currency is a curse,
Gold increasingly gleaming,
Hyperinflation is worse…

[Chorus]
They’re coming home,
They’re coming home,
They’re coming,
Dollars are coming home,
They’re coming home,
They’re coming home,
They’re coming,
Dollars are coming home

Sorry folks, best I can do, feel free to improve on it.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Sep 7 2025 19:16 utc | 41

Whether large or quite small, Load-balancing of grids is the difficult part… what invention can scalably , with instant on/off capability, use “excess”energy production?!

Posted by: L | Sep 7 2025 19:31 utc | 42

c1ue:

A 20kWh battery is $10K.
A 3kW solar system costs $9K.
There are additional costs, but let’s call this $20K for simplicity sake.

For the non-bourgeois minded, how about a couple hundred bucks for panels, a hundred bucks for a couple deep cycle batteries, and another hundred bucks for a lux charge controller/inverter. Let’s call this $400 for simplicity sake.
Yeah, you can spend more, but you can also spend less and still get a serviceable system. I know `cuz I lived on a sailboat for a while back in the day (Sounds pretty bourgeois, right? Far from it!) and even with what was available back then for cheap, solar could do the job. With what you can get today it’s a no-brainer. Just have to be mindful of your battery charge and not stand there with the fridge door open waiting for inspiration like a middle-class idiot. Leave the icebox closed after sunset (or get in and out quick) and use your stored charge for more interesting things.
The only reason anyone would need a $20,000 system is if they are trying to live in the most conspicuously wasteful manner possible like a middle-class American. There are plenty of people in the Global South who do not fall into that category.

Posted by: William Gruff | Sep 7 2025 19:38 utc | 43

Posted by: james | Sep 7 2025 18:59 utc | 39
Thanks for the reading suggestion.
I’m aware of some of the destruction, both societal and environmental, that copper mining has wrought around the world.
The Ok Tedi (BHP) mining disaster in Papua New Guinea was one of the worst man-made environment disasters of the past century.
Watching the accelerating rate of human-induced deterioration of much of the planet (at every level) really drives me to despair. If only the Amish allowed punk rock and agnosticism, I might be tempted to join them.

Posted by: Jon_in_AU | Sep 7 2025 19:40 utc | 44

Jon_in_AU
Yes, mining has had some environmental horror stories… again, though, pertinent to gruff , all under heaven, c1ue debates, look into the horrific scale of electrical energy that goes to waste, simply dumped when it can’t be stored, losses over long transmission lines, etc … is there any heavy electrical consumer that can compete with satoshis invention in load-balancing grids?! (not even adding in that it is a completely separate non-debt system that incentives/restores a savings culture and mitigates corrupt/violent consuming culture)

Posted by: L | Sep 7 2025 19:58 utc | 45

Re: solar PV for developing world
My little household system is 830 watts peak rated, got a 2kwh battery = total cost was $1,200. if I used old car batteries the system would cost around $600. Its more than enough to power a household in the developing world;
Summer months system generates 4kwh daily
Winter months system generates 1kwh daily
Closer to equator the system would generate ~4kwh daily year round

Posted by: Exile | Sep 7 2025 20:09 utc | 46

@25 c1ue
Your figures are a long way out…e.g.
https://mtbest.net/chest-fridge/
However what is sold (govt. planning, corporate) is very wasteful. Have experience of this, and the official show is grid monopoly, sales etc.
A lot of innovation comes out of Africa wrt what Caliman mentioned. Cooling and heating there are natural systems (have made heat exchangers, very inexpensive for ex.), or that are low tech and not expensive. Water purification is not rocket science, grey water and reed beds is one example, drinking water is minimal and easy enough. Lighting is easy and low consumption.
What happens is finance is only offered for expensive systems, govt. signs off infrastructure, legislation bans homemade systems etc. . All very corrupt.
Most fossil fuel necessity is vehicles (transport). Electric cars are a nice idea, but in practice in terms of cost and savings, not.

Posted by: Ornot | Sep 7 2025 20:10 utc | 47

By their nature, grids tend to over-capacity, over production… never mind, centralization and a plethora of politics as they get bigger

Posted by: L | Sep 7 2025 20:10 utc | 48

Posted by: L | Sep 7 2025 19:31 utc | 42
“Whether large or quite small, Load-balancing of grids is the difficult part… what invention can scalably , with instant on/off capability, use “excess”energy production?!”
The major problems with frequency drift related voltage excursions (which appears to have been the source of the recent Iberian episode) have several solutions, but whether they are suited to the grid in question is another matter.
The excess output that exceeds demand has the effect of lowering the apparent impedance of the grid, causing voltage to rise and frequency to shift upwards and distribution transformers start to effectively appear as loads. This activates protection measures that cause shutdowns. Unfortunately, as the settings for PV inverters are all identical, they all react at the same time, making the problems more pronounced.
Storage dumping of excess energy is the eventual path we will most likely take. This can be compressed air, pumped hydropower, thermal piles, or EV batteries, as a few examples.
There are also grid upgrades and software tweaks that can allow sections of the grid to isolate into smaller macro grids, but allow the inverters on those sections to communicate with each other act in a coordinated fashion to stabilise the grid.
PV inverters already have the ability to have their maximum power output, ramp-up time to max power, voltage, frequency, and power factor adjusted. It is becoming increasing a part of requirements in PV standards around the world, and to automate this through the central electricity network operator would allow adjustments on a time scale of milliseconds.
There are also peer-to-peer systems being trialled, where the inverters talk to each other allowing people to directly share a networked system and trade or store energy depending on requirements.
Electric vehicles will offer important future opportunities for grid stabilisation, as they can be used as an automated source of energy for peak demand and as a store for excess energy.

Posted by: Jon_in_AU | Sep 7 2025 20:26 utc | 49

@46 Exile
The difficult part is sizing and being realistic, not about consumption but mostly generation. Have to take the longest spell of cloudy weather in winter, deduct system inefficiencies etc. , know true storage capacity without ruining batteries .
200W of panel would be a comfortable min if without any power hungry devices in south europe for example.
It really depends what people expect from a system though, including for how much storage is needed. If system is run through day mostly then little. Decent storage costs, deep cycle vs standard battery for example are roughly the same for usable energy x durability. Otoh a cheap battery to carry a light load of low discharge is fine.
Problem is many people just think rig up solar like grid, but in reality adopting a different approach that understands all forms of energy usage and savings/alternatives is more suitable. Not hard, it is fun even, but to many it would seem unusual or awkward.

Posted by: Ornot | Sep 7 2025 20:36 utc | 50

With regard to saving the MoA articles in book form, the best place to do so would be academia.edu
I believe there is no limit in the number of articles than can be posted.

Posted by: Tom | Sep 7 2025 20:36 utc | 51

Jon, thanks for the reply
Hmmm, well, there may be other load-balancing techniques in the works… at least you didn’t “reeeeee” about satoshis’ invention boiling the oceans 🙂 (like the New York Times did still last year, what a bunch of earth-destroying hypocrites ) these newer techniques are not very suitable for load-balancing most of the existing large-scale grids however (hence countries like Bhutan using excess hydropower to mine satoshis’ for their citizens’ future)… micro-trading of electricity is also fraught with nimby-ism (the larger party always going to try to push terms favourable to themselves)

Posted by: L | Sep 7 2025 20:38 utc | 52

Software control of electricity trading will likely be the same as software in automobiles… highly proprietary, “safety” being the cover for all kinds of chicanery ( displaying favouritism to the larger entity)

Posted by: L | Sep 7 2025 20:42 utc | 53

Sunexchange in South Africa is combining crowd-investing, satoshis invention and solar in Africa (despite South Africa having one of the best grids in africa)

Posted by: L | Sep 7 2025 20:45 utc | 54

Existing infrastructure is persistent and hard to change without massive investments (like some of the load balancing techniques Jon listed)… ASIC mining rigs are like cockroaches (in the nicest sense :)… China 2021 showed how they can scurry off in ten directions and keep on hashing when someone tries to fumigate them 🙂

Posted by: L | Sep 7 2025 20:52 utc | 55

Posted by: Jon_in_AU | Sep 7 2025 20:26 utc | 49
Isn’t that using the electric grid as a midden?

Posted by: Passerby | Sep 7 2025 20:54 utc | 56

@ Jon_in_AU | Sep 7 2025 20:26 utc | 49
Some good information there, thank you.
I can recall reading something about solar-generated current needing to be manipulated to mimic the alternating current frequency that rotational generation naturally created.
Would this manipulation cause losses in the amount of power available from solar generation?

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Sep 7 2025 20:56 utc | 57

The wise thing for large power producers and grids to do is offer very competitive rates for hashers with clearly defined emergency power-off clauses/conditions… or have them fully nationalized (I.e. feeding gov coffers like Bhutan)

Posted by: L | Sep 7 2025 21:00 utc | 58

Credit also to satoshis’ invention for pushing the boundaries of energy efficiency in computing (did the New York Times mention this ?!)… also, there remains massive potential in heat recovery/reuse from ASIC mining rigs in colder climates…

Posted by: L | Sep 7 2025 21:06 utc | 59

In summary, the energy FUD about satoshis’ invention is off-the-charts ! It shows up the hypocrisy again, when many (western) jurisdictions are clambering over themselves about AI and building out more power plants for it while they spent years slandering satoshis energy use

Posted by: L | Sep 7 2025 21:10 utc | 60

In case you don’t know, the two week difficulty adjustment ensures the focus is on improving energy efficiency of chips/hashing and NOT consuming more energy willy-nilly (which can never produce more satoshis)… now back to our regularly scheduled programming… oooh, what’s the FED rate forecast, oh my

Posted by: L | Sep 7 2025 21:15 utc | 61

Oops, also incentives seeking out “wasted”/stranded energy production (of which there is copious amounts still)… now back to our programming…

Posted by: L | Sep 7 2025 21:18 utc | 62

Buggering about with highly energy hungry equations is a serious misallocation of energy capital; energy capital that is now lost to greenhouses in northern climes, food preserving refrigeration in tropical regions, or lighting and ventilation in hospitals, schools and other public institutions all over the place.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Sep 7 2025 21:18 utc | 63

BREAKING: Trump just got mercilessly booed at the U.S. Open. The Administration was threatening broadcasters not to show reactions to Trump because of this. They are scared. The American people are fed up.

video
https://x.com/MAGALieTracker/status/1964764425795379339
Everything is going to plan.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 7 2025 21:18 utc | 64

63 Jeremy
You’re not fooling anyone, there are greenhouse operators who run ASICs instead of electric heaters… stop being a shill for highly corruptible ledgers … so you are really into “public” institutions ,let’s hear your criticism of Bhutan now!
No worries, though, I’m sure some big empire will eventually go after Bhutan (just like the IMF went after little El Salvador!)

Posted by: L | Sep 7 2025 21:32 utc | 65

Shut it down folks, all your “energy capital” belongs to Jeremy

Posted by: L | Sep 7 2025 21:35 utc | 66

@ L | Sep 7 2025 21:32 utc | 65
Go on then, write a 16-bit Satoshi, or even an 8-bit.
It remains a serious misallocation of energy capital.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Sep 7 2025 21:36 utc | 67

Electric vehicles will offer important future opportunities for grid stabilisation, as they can be used as an automated source of energy for peak demand and as a store for excess energy.
Posted by: Jon_in_AU | Sep 7 2025 20:26 utc | 49

Providing the vehicle owner is happy to watch their battery pack taking a thrashing … at the hands of grid operators who drive your equipment like it’s a rental car.

Posted by: Tel | Sep 7 2025 21:38 utc | 68

Jeremy, the corruptible ledger lover
You are free to code something better yourself, many have tried and most other proof-of-work alternatives caved to environmental bullies like yourself!

Posted by: L | Sep 7 2025 21:39 utc | 69

I dunno, maybe @ L is just as much of a fundamentalist as @ SunOfAlabama is about MMT…
As always, everyone is free to decide for themselves.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Sep 7 2025 21:41 utc | 70

Jeremy, joining in on scapegoating the incredible ~50% inefficiency of power production and grids onto the 1% of satoshi consumption…

Posted by: L | Sep 7 2025 21:41 utc | 71

@ L | Sep 7 2025 21:39 utc | 69
[sigh]
You completely missed the point that “Satoshi” only exists because of inefficiencies in higher-level coding.
As for me being an environmental bully, I will continue to drive my turbo-diesel safe in the knowledge that it doesn’t consume 22 gallons a minute; after all, it’s not an F-35…

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Sep 7 2025 21:48 utc | 72

Listening to 10+ years of mainstream media lies on a subject radicalizes a person… which I’m sure many here understand… so, yes, call me a fundamentalist if you want

Posted by: L | Sep 7 2025 21:49 utc | 73

@Caliman #31
Sorry, but your criticisms lack numbers.
What precisely is wrong about my estimates for a refrigerator+lighting+internet, electricity consumption level?
Looking for some data points: here is a 9 month old video where the person bought a 17.2kW solar system plus a 20kWh battery system for $88,791
Youtube solar+battery install example
So my above estimates on cost are not that far off, one way or the other. Solar panels are not cheaper in Africa and Africans certainly don’t have the massive subsidies that Westerners get from their governments. The panels themselves all come from China – so there is no appreciable difference there.

Posted by: c1ue | Sep 7 2025 21:51 utc | 74

the incredible ~50% inefficiency of power production and grids

Posted by: L | Sep 7 2025 21:41 utc | 71
And that needs a credible citation, not that I expect one; fundamentalists don’t do that…

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Sep 7 2025 21:51 utc | 75

MOATS with George Galloway: ‘Department of War’ / With Jackson Hinkle & Chay Bowes
https://www.youtube.com/@GeorgeGallowayOfficial/streams
“Trump re-bades the Pentagon as The Department Of War. He threatens to shoot down Venezuelan planes. Meanwhile, Russia advances in Ukraine – as the global order tilts and the Gaza Freedom-Flotilla sails on.”

Posted by: John Gilberts | Sep 7 2025 21:52 utc | 76

@L | Sun, 07 Sep 2025 19:31:00 GMT | 42

Whether large or quite small, Load-balancing of grids is the difficult part… what invention can scalably , with instant on/off capability, use “excess”energy production?!

Charging of batteries in a distributed intelligent network, perhaps? It obviously needs some scale to work. I don’t know about the numbers involved (percentage of baseload), but the power sink might come from EV batteries. I imagine you might hook up your ride and dial in a number of hours you are giving for a full recharge. Flexibility could be incentivized. Large customers such as the Hamburg municipal bus services with thousands of vehicles, many already electric, could act on plans even better, perhaps with quick exchange units which are placed into a bus much like giving it a fill of gas.
A while back we were discussing steelmaking as a process in that regard. It didn’t find much acclaim then, but I’ll remember people that Mao once tried to put a little furnace into every village …

Posted by: persiflo | Sep 7 2025 21:52 utc | 77

@William Gruff #27
The amounts being bought are puny in grid terms.
There is also the question of where the money is coming from: as I noted already – IMF and other types of international loan programs only will finance alternative energy.
They won’t finance coal or natural gas or nuclear.
So how much of the build is because of the above vs actual organic demand?

Posted by: c1ue | Sep 7 2025 21:53 utc | 78

… a hundred bucks for a couple deep cycle batteries …
Posted by: William Gruff | Sep 7 2025 19:38 utc | 43

What sort of deep cycle batteries are you buying for $50 each? Have you got a link?

Posted by: Tel | Sep 7 2025 21:53 utc | 79

To run through some calculations regarding EV vs petrol vehicle, Co2 and costs etc. Will compare a good condition used vehicle vs. a new EV just to portray extremes. These are real world figures, rounded slightly but not in any direction overall, just broad view:
Second hand petrol vehicle with 100 000 km on clock 2000 $/equiv
Driving commute 10 000 km per year 500 litres petrol
Years energy usage total 500 $/equiv
Energy 4000 kwh per year
After 4 years = 16000 kwh which is needed just to build EV
Driving run around 1000 km per year 50 litres petrol
Years energy usage total 50 $/equiv
Energy 400kwh per year
After 40 years = 16000 kwh which is needed just to build EV
EV base cost 20 000 $/equiv and up ?
At 10 000 km per year, 40 years fuel costs of petrol vehicle.
Added used vehicle repairs guess @ 100 $/eq every 10 000 km
Some examples to calculate what does/doesn’t add up for EV. Smaller hatchback is 5 litre per 100 km, so @ 2/3 fuel Co2 of the graphs at :
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-05-27/comparing-electric-cars-and-petrol-cars/103746132
Not trying to make any particular point, just placing perspectives. Hope I calculated correctly. Designing more efficient petrol vehicles would be a good direction also.

Posted by: Ornot | Sep 7 2025 21:55 utc | 80

@All Under Heaven #34
You are such a stupid moron.
I made zero references to China; I reference only the technology itself.
China, having only coal basically, has a use case for solar and EVs which is not the case in the United States – especially with dumb Western governments subsidizing industrial production.
But China burns an ENORMOUS amount coal – enough coal is burned every year today in China, that is matches global energy consumption from the 1990s. And some visible part of this coal burn is what makes Chinese solar panels so much cheaper than their counterparts anywhere else.
This is not a criticism – this is purely descriptive.

Posted by: c1ue | Sep 7 2025 21:56 utc | 81

72 haha, well, now we can agree on the waste that is the f-35… satoshis exist in a narrow design space and the lack of a new-satoshi , so far, has borne this out (16 years of trying to break or succeed the network and the main thing left to TPTB at this point is social engineering, which is a kind way of saying pernicious slander/lies…)

Posted by: L | Sep 7 2025 21:56 utc | 82

@William Gruff #43
Sorry dude, but you can’t run a refrigerator on the $1000 setup you reference.
Lights and charge a cell phone, sure.
So thanks for demonstrating that you have zero idea of energy realities.

Posted by: c1ue | Sep 7 2025 21:57 utc | 83

75 US department of energy graph

Posted by: L | Sep 7 2025 21:59 utc | 84

I can recall reading something about solar-generated current needing to be manipulated to mimic the alternating current frequency that rotational generation naturally created.
Would this manipulation cause losses in the amount of power available from solar generation?
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Sep 7 2025 20:56 utc | 57
Changing DC to AC. Generally some energy loss as a lot of that sort of stuff requires at least heat sinks if not cooling fans.
Rotational energy. I think most old time vehicles ran generators that put out direct current. Most or all engines now have alternators which put out alternating current. They have diodes in the back that converts AC to DC.
Pre digital DC welders that plugged into AC had and electric motor driving a generator putting out DC.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 7 2025 21:59 utc | 85

@L #45
Utterly false. Cryptocurrency mining DOES NOT balance grids except in the worst sense.
Texas has demonstrated this.
The crypto miners there do not turn their mining setups on for low electricity prices – doing so massively wastes the capital cost vs depreciation of their hardware.
What they have done, which is being outlawed, is put their cryptomining on standby on the hottest days in order to take advantage of the inordinate price of electricity on said days.
So they are driving up base electricity consumption via long term contracts at low wholesale/industrial electricity prices, then reaping more profit by selling their contracted electricity when demand starts to exceed production. In fact, a Texas state senator told me that in 2023, the cryptomining companies made more money selling electricity on 5 or 6 hot days than they generated from mining operations.

Posted by: c1ue | Sep 7 2025 22:01 utc | 86

77 persiflo
…and when this huge centralized grid is weaponized and little folks like myself are switched off for wrong thoughts (let alone calling out lies ) ?!? Just like TPTB financial system , all part of the same system… and I’m the totalitarian fundamentalist one … sheesh

Posted by: L | Sep 7 2025 22:03 utc | 87

@Ornot #47
I’d bet money that the asserted 0.1 kWh per day is bullshit.
Among other things, I have a chest freezer. It is rated at 0.7 to 0.8 kWh per day.
His assertion that the problem is the vertical open door is also not entirely, but definitely some bullshit.
Freezers use less electricity, relatively speaking, because people don’t open the freezer doors very often period.
This is not true to refrigerators.
So yes, the horizontal door does keep more cold air in, but it is the frequent opening and closing that is the main problem.
Every time you open a door whether vertical or horizontal – the very act of opening introduces outside air into the refrigerator.
And there is a reason why people use vertical doors: you can access more. The frontage area of a refrigerator allows access to everything in it – whereas the same does not hold true for the deeper vertical door freezers.

Posted by: c1ue | Sep 7 2025 22:08 utc | 88

86 do tell, and did you also measure the CO2 emissions coming out of the back of the ASICS… you just refuted yourself in showing that ASICS can (not that they MUST) be a massive power sink AND that they can almost instantaneously be powered on/off (not that they WILL ) … unlike, steel/aluminum mill, AI center, etc… is this not the definition of load-balancing capability! don’t blame me that Texas regulators can’t do basic math or contracts!!

Posted by: L | Sep 7 2025 22:09 utc | 89

@Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Sun, 07 Sep 2025 21:41:00 GMT | 70

I dunno, maybe @ L is just as much of a fundamentalist as @ SunOfAlabama is about MMT…
As always, everyone is free to decide for themselves.

+1

Posted by: persiflo | Sep 7 2025 22:13 utc | 90

>>> “…incredible ~50% inefficiency of power production and grids…” <<<
Posted by: L | Sep 7 2025 21:41 utc | 71
.
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Dude, you should publish your treatise ASAP. The utility guys I work with are dying to hear from you.
Also, be sure to clear shelf space for your Nobel.

Posted by: seer | Sep 7 2025 22:14 utc | 91

Seer, such vision, much wow… you could post the link but that would be too embarrassing for you and your grid guys

Posted by: L | Sep 7 2025 22:17 utc | 92

Re: Crypto mining energy inefficiency.
Once almost all the coins are mined and operators have to rely on transaction processing fees only, there will be a huge exodus of rigs and the problem solves itself.
That is also when real price discovery begins.

Posted by: Fool Me Twice | Sep 7 2025 22:18 utc | 93

@Jon_in_AU #29
LCOE is bullshit.
The assumptions made are bad and the costs for backup, for frequency control, for replacement generation during off periods, for storage – none of these are included.
Nor are assumptions of overbuild included: EU and American utilities are now trending towards the 4x and 5x overbuild of Solar vs. dispatchable electricity sources – meaning that you need 4 or 5 MW of solar to replace 1 MW of dispatchable generation.
All you really need to know about the nonsense of LCOE is look at the direct relationship between increased solar and wind generation vs. electricity prices. Regions investing heavily in solar and wind are seeing their electricity prices rise 2x and 3x vs. standard fossil fuel or nuclear.
Then there’s this: Grid Strategies 2023 Transmission Congestion report
Jump to page 12: The money paid due to congestion within the US grid – roughly half of which is due to solar and wind – were $8 billion, $13 billion and $8 billion in 2021, 2022 and 2023 respectively.
Not all congestion is due to solar and wind – some occurs due to maintenance, to squirrel attacks, to accident etc etc.
But this +-50% of $29 billion in those 3 years, that IS due to solar and wind, did not exist 20 years ago or even 10.
Nor is the US the only victim. Germany, Spain, UK all pay enormous costs due to their solar and wind. Germany is in the 3 billion euros per year. UK is in the 300 million GBP a year just for wind alone. Spain is paying in the 1.5 billion euros per year – and that excludes the costs from their recent blackout.
And the numbers are rising. Spain is in the mid to high 3% range of all solar/wind generation being curtailed/congestion payments with projections headed to the 5% range – meaning it is getting worse, not better.

Posted by: c1ue | Sep 7 2025 22:19 utc | 94

93 has nothing to do with permissioned crypto, satoshis invention has a 2 week difficulty adjustment that is waaaaaaaay longer than the capital investment/planning cycle of hashers… anticipating where you are heading next with this… 2021 exodus of hashers from China was a massive stress test of this

Posted by: L | Sep 7 2025 22:21 utc | 95

What they have done, which is being outlawed, is put their cryptomining on standby on the hottest days in order to take advantage of the inordinate price of electricity on said days…
@ c1ue | Sep 7 2025 22:01 utc | 86

Thanks for sharing, but this relationship you outline — of grid-maintenance to cryptomining — sounds mighty abstruse to we layabout laypeople. Have you any sources of such info which might by legible to rank amateurs?
Not asking for a friend. I’m honestly fascinated. Any serious student of flagrantly suicidal societal impulses — Jim Jones People’s Temple industrial strength techno-nihilism: move fast and break everything — can find today’s crypto-universe at the deep end of the wading pool, imho.

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Sep 7 2025 22:23 utc | 96

@c1ue | Sun, 07 Sep 2025 22:08:00 GMT | 88

Every time you open a door whether vertical or horizontal – the very act of opening introduces outside air into the refrigerator.

A simple trick is to keep the fridge filled, perhaps using storage boxes which stay in place even when empty.

Posted by: persiflo | Sep 7 2025 22:24 utc | 97

@Jon_in_AU #49
Musk is selling that story, but time will tell if it is true.
Among other things: barring ubiquity of charging everywhere, the majority of charging for EVs occurs in single family homes.
Which means that the charging is going on when people are home – which itself is PRECISELY why there is a duck curve where the highest demand points during the day are morning from 7 am to 9 am and evening from 5 pm to 9 pm.
In theory, Musk’s internet access control over PowerPanels and Tesla batteries means he will register these as a “wholesale power consumer” such that the charging of these can be spread out or changed during peak production periods – but again, the whole problem is the intermittency.
How well will that work in practice, when people expect their cars to be charged sufficiently for their daily activity at any given time? This doesn’t even get into the 20% that Musk charges for “profits” derived from this scheme.
My personal view is that this won’t work because, for example, wind intermittency is seasonal. You get a lot in spring, you get a lot in late fall/early winter, you don’t get a lot of overage beyond demand in other times. So it isn’t a matter of equalizing over a day, or a week or even a month – it requires equalizing over 3 month/seasonal levels.
And there are also large scale variations in wind production, for example, over year plus periods. Europe has had 3 instances of 6 month+ drops in wind generation of at least 20%, continent wide, vs expectations just in the last 5 years.

Posted by: c1ue | Sep 7 2025 22:26 utc | 98

95 now I’m embarrassed,
*waaaaaay shorter

Posted by: L | Sep 7 2025 22:27 utc | 99

Posted by: L | Sep 7 2025 22:17 utc | 92
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Also, your EV dreams are being shoahed in Detroit right now. Nobody wants them. And the chinese battery plant north of there, that received hundreds of millions of subsidies? It’s gettin’ turned into an amusement park I hear.
Please hurry up with your nobel winning generation and transmission paper. We are breathless.

Posted by: seer | Sep 7 2025 22:28 utc | 100