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September 18, 2025
Saudi Arabia’s Defense Pact With Pakistan Is A Strategic Loss For The U.S. of A.

Back in 2012 U.S. foreign policy analysts were concerned about a possible nuclear alliance between Saudi Arabia and Pakistan. Scholars from the Johns Hopkins University School of Advanced International Studies and the Stimson Center wrote an essay about it:

The Pak-Saudi Nuke, and How to Stop ItThe American Interest, March 2012

The opening paragraph:

One morning, perhaps in the not too distant future, the President of the United States may wake up to an announcement that, given new dangers in the Middle East, the Saudi government has requested the stationing of Pakistani troops on Saudi soil. The announcement might go on to explain that these troops will also bring with them the full complement of conventional and strategic weapons necessary to ensure their security and that of Saudi Arabia. Word would quickly follow from Islamabad that Pakistan has accepted a generous aid package and low-priced oil from Saudi Arabia. Both parties would stress that the agreement simply reaffirms their decades-long special relationship.

As Pakistan is a nuclear weapons state one had to assume that any such a pact would supply Saudi Arabia with nuclear weapons. It was something that the U.S. and its sidekick Israel were very concerned about.

It was assumed at that time that the reason for such a move by Saudi Arabia would be its concern over Iran and its nuclear program:

Over the past decade, Saudi Arabia’s threat perception has sharpened as the dangers from Iran have grown along with doubts about the reliability of U.S. protection.

The time to wake up to a new Saudi-Pakistani alliance has finally come today:

Saudi Arabia signs ‘strategic mutual defence’ pact with Pakistan (archived) – Financial Times

But the strategic circumstance under which the alliance happens are very different from those that had been envisioned in 2012 essay:

Saudi Arabia has signed a “strategic mutual defence” pact with Pakistan, signalling to the US and Israel that the kingdom is willing to diversify its security alliances as it looks to bolster its deterrence.

The agreement with the nuclear-armed south Asian state comes a week after Gulf states — traditionally reliant on the US as their security guarantor — were deeply rattled by Israel’s missile strikes targeting Hamas’s political leaders in Qatar.

“We hope it will reinforce our deterrence — aggression against one is aggression against the other,” a senior Saudi official told the Financial Times. “This is a comprehensive defence agreement that will utilise all defensive and military means deemed necessary depending on the specific threat.”

This is a NATO Article 5 like pact. 'All means deemed necessary', as empathized, undoubtedly includes Pakistan's nuclear weapons.

The U.S. was, the FT say, not at all involved in it:

Riyadh is believed to have informed Washington about the Pakistan defence agreement after it was signed.

Saudi Arabia already has a strategic missile force which is armed with Chinese DF-21 missiles which have a range of up to 1,700 kilometer. They can hit Tehran, but also Tel Aviv. The missiles are conventionally armed but can be fitted with nuclear warheads.

Pakistan's development of nuclear weapons had largely be financed by Saudi Arabia. The two countries have a long history of military cooperation:

Pakistan and Saudi Arabia have a defense relationship stretching back decades, in part due to Islamabad’s willingness to defend the Islamic holy sites of Mecca and Medina in the kingdom. Pakistani troops first traveled to Saudi Arabia in the late 1960s over concerns about Egypt’s war in Yemen at the time. Those ties increased after Iran’s 1979 Islamic Revolution and the kingdom’s fears of a confrontation with Tehran.

Pakistan developed its nuclear weapons program to counter India's atomic bombs. However, there long have been signals of the kingdom’s interest in the program. Retired Pakistani Brig. Gen. Feroz Hassan Khan, in his book on his country’s nuclear weapons program called “Eating Grass: The Making of the Pakistani Bomb,” said Saudi Arabia provided “generous financial support” for its effort.

Today Saudi Arabia no longer fears a confrontation with Iran. In 2023, with the help of Chinese mediation, the two countries did bury their hatchets. The move was an early sign that the U.S. was losing ground in the Middle East.

The reasons why the is being closed these days is obvious:

The agreement was signed by Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman and Pakistan’s Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif in Riyadh. Sharif’s office’s reiterated that the agreement “states that any aggression against either country shall be considered an aggression against both”.

The Israeli attack on Doha, one of the US’s major non-Nato allies, exacerbated Gulf leaders’ long-running concerns about Washington’s unpredictability and its commitment to their defence, as well as fears about Israel acting unrestrainedly with its military across the region.

The Saudis had worked on, and hoped for, a deeper alliance with the U.S. But the genocide in Gaza, and the unlimited U.S. support for it, have made such an alliance impossible:

Riyadh had been hoping to seal a defence pact with the US, as well as co-operation with Washington’s nuclear plans, as part of a grand deal that would have led to it normalising diplomatic relations with Israel.

However, those plans were upended after Hamas’s October 7, 2023 attack on Israel, triggering the war in Gaza and conflict across the region.

Riyadh has become increasingly outraged by Israel’s 23-month war in Gaza and the conduct of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s far-right government.

Prince Mohammed accuses Israel of committing genocide, and has made it clear that normalisation is off the table unless Netanyahu ends the conflict and moves to establish a Palestinian state.

China, which is allied with Pakistan, will be happy about the deal. So will be Iran. It was likely already informed about it:

Before the defense pact was signed, Iran dispatched Ali Larijani, a senior political figure who now serves as the secretary of the country’s Supreme National Security Council, to visit Saudi Arabia. That may have seen the kingdom acknowledge the pact to Tehran, with which it has had a Chinese-mediated détente with Iran since 2023.

India will be concerned about the deal. A lot of the oil it purchases is coming from Saudi Arabia. With a Saudi-Pakistani alliance in place any conflict with Pakistan will likely cause it additional difficulties with the purchase of energy.

The U.S., and Donald Trump, are the big losers in this. The unrestricted support for Israel is coming at an ever increasing price. The Gulf countries are – slowly, slowly – moving away from it.

Comments

Beg pardon everyone. I posted on b’s open thread without realizing he had already addressed this issue here.

Posted by: juliania | Sep 18 2025 22:04 utc | 101

Iran and Pakistan enjoy better than friendly relations” – Xor 93
Uhm…don’t know how to break it to you but those “friendly relations” you refer to included a major war with unresolved issues. Those issues boiled over into military operations against one another just over a year ago. Under that rubric Russia and Britain have “friendly relations“.
…also the Balochistan issue, which both Iran and Pakistan…have a common interest in subduing” – Xor 93
Uhm…not quite clear, Pakistan has been shitting on Balochistan all my life, the oppression is unyielding. The corrupt government of Pakistan, [anyone, take your pick] is raping the land’s resources [with the help of China] without any consideration/compensation to the locals who live in destitution, it is poorest province by far, in all of Pakistan and yet, the richest, by far, in natural resources. Sound familiar? I’ve been there, people hated my guts and…they treated me badly, still, given the shit they’ve been through, they have every right to an independent country or, at the very least, an autonomous region entitled to some small portion of wealth extracted by Karachi/Islamabad…

Posted by: S Brennan | Sep 18 2025 22:41 utc | 102

I believe South Africa ended up inheriting nuclear technology from the nazis.
Posted by: unimperator | Sep 18 2025 20:56 utc | 96
The israelis.
I learned about this while I lived there as a young man. It was something South Africans spoke about among themselves.
There was a South African technical journal published for technical colleges which had an article about israeli involvement in the nuke program. I remember reading it in 1985.
Pre-internet. Much knowledge is being erased from the world.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 18 2025 23:10 utc | 103

Arch Bungle | Sep 18 2025 23:10 utc | 103–
23 years ago, I advised a post-grad student at the Naval Language Institute at Monterrey who was writing a paper about the collaboration between the Zionists and Afrikaners on the whole gamut of WMDs, and he had access to the US documentation of that association which he made good use of in his paper. I think I saved his paper onto a floppy, although most of that info is now in the public domain. And yes, he was writing prior to the run-up to the contrived Iraq War over WMDs. And yes, he was a black South African military officer.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 18 2025 23:46 utc | 104

102 should have read: ..The corrupt government of Pakistan, [anyone any one of them, take your pick] is raping the land’s resources…

Posted by: S Brennan | Sep 18 2025 23:50 utc | 105

Once you realise both Pakistan and Saudi Arabia are part of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization that is more about defence related issues and connects many countries that are also in the trade orientated BRICS, it’s easy to also see how important the recent meeting was in Tianjin, China. I suspect this will not be the only surprise coming our way.

Posted by: George | Sep 19 2025 0:16 utc | 106

Like many here, I’ve called BS on Isreal’s nukes.
These murderous monsters have shot toddlers in the head (UN report), dropped the equivalent of several nukes on Gaza. If these bastards had nukes, they would have used it without blinking.
And Iran? What if, like the Russian Oreshnik, they have something better without needing the weapon of last resort?

Posted by: Suresh | Sep 19 2025 0:16 utc | 107

LoveDonbass | Sep 18 2025 18:01 utc | 82
correction Love Donbass, shooting children in head was never a norm

Posted by: fanto | Sep 19 2025 1:54 utc | 108

Posted by: Suresh | Sep 19 2025 0:16 utc | 107
Not only shot toddlers in the head but driven over them live with bulldozers. Of course all with the help of the US administration and Congress’s weapons supplies, turning a blind eye, and even threatening those who would like Israel to be prosecuted for war crimes and/or genocide.

Posted by: George | Sep 19 2025 2:38 utc | 109

Colonialism is colonialism. Rhodesia or Rhode Island, it’s all the same thing…
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 18 2025 15:25 utc | 55
European imperialism and colonialism were geopolitical norms from the 16th through to the 19th centuries. So was slavery. To apply today’s standards to that era is a false equivalence…
Posted by: Fool Me Twice | Sep 18 2025 17:54 utc | 80
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Colour me simplistic, but aren’t there basic principles by which one can characterise a “decent” human being?
Surely you wouldn’t advocate the abandonment of human decency (however loosely it may be defined) to excuse the burning/drowning of women to determine whether or not they are/were witches; or the killing of babies before they can sin so they can go straight to heaven (how kind and selfless! How many of the murderers gave free benefit to their own children…?) or nay of the great array of cruel and unusual punishments meted out to ‘teach’ the unbelievers?
Ah, yes… Quite OK. Just the norms of the day…

Posted by: General Factotum | Sep 19 2025 5:13 utc | 110

It is only recently that colonialism was frowned upon. Probably because there was little left to colonize.
Posted by: Fool Me Twice | Sep 18 2025 19:26 utc | 90
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FFS!!
So those ignorant dark-skinned savages have only recently stirred their lazy loins and finally got around to frowning on colonialism because they were so sad that there were no other of their fellow travelers left to enjoy the incalculable benefits of colonialism and ‘civilisation’?

Posted by: General Factotum | Sep 19 2025 5:19 utc | 111

Saudis use money and Wahhabism to build madrasahs that radicalise young men and boys.
They are then turned into mujahadeen types that formed the Taliban.
Osama Bin laden was a cia agent who turned Afghanistan into a medieval satrap of the ZioFascist imperialists as their never ending quest to take control of EurAsia and its resources.
Pakistan is the half way house to that and has been for along time before it was even created as Pakistan. The U2’s used to fly out of there over Russia.
That is the other end of the ‘new tie’ between the two nations – both of whom have been proxies of the Collective Wastes Masters. Who abused it with popppy production for hundreds of years to poison China and make a few khazar bankers fabulously rich.
As they also pocket zillions from ‘Saudi Oil’. That all belonged to the ottomans.
India the other fake nation had ties with Russia and now with Iran ! The Shia’s. They were supposedly sanctioned by the us for doing so. Now being relaxed against companies but transferrred to individuals employed to work with the Iranian project!
What we are witness to is the further machinations of the string pulllers of Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and India to entrap Iran and Afghanistan.
To ferment future discord that can lead to divide Russia and China and the SCO from WITHIN.
That’s the shapeshifter way. Always has been. We can see it Nepal now. Opened so that India can move in and that will stoke up the never ending great game again on the Tibetan border. We can see it also with the continued sore picking between Cambodia and Thailand. And soon with chaos in Lao and Myanmar.
It’s the unipolar shapeshifters who are doing that.
It’s their World Bankers who are also investing in Baluchistan to mine gold!
They have suddenly decided that their crypto scam is not going to hold so have d fixed to start digging for gold again.
Same in their attempt to expand their control of Latin Americas and take Venezuela.
It not only has massive oil reserves but massive precious metals too.
It’s only the Chinese might and Russian and Iranian experience that will stand firm with their global south allies. Including the North Koreans and soon the Sahel nations. – that can stop the Shapeshifting great gamers finally. Stop the dynastic gamers.
Break up India and Pakistan back into their natural states version peoples states.
Otherwise it will carry on. Blighting all future generations.
They will carry on shapeshifting.
Infiltrate. Divide. Rule.
War to cover the trail.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Sep 19 2025 6:32 utc | 112

Pakistan is India’s enemy. A nuclear enemy. War can happen at any time between thede two.
Pakistan’s former President, pro-sovereignty and Russia’s friend, was overthrown.
Pakistan didn’t make such a mutual defence deal with either Iran neither Assad’s Syria, neither Ansar Allah Yemen, and definitely not with any of the Palestinian authorities.
Saudi Arabia is still USA’s partner, buys most of its weapons from USA, sells cheap oil to USA, has USA military bases, supports the western agent (terrorist) in Syria, and does NOTHING against genocidal naZionists.
And Saudi Arabia isn’t even a BRICS+ partner… meaning thag Saudi Arabia isn’t even moving a single finger against USA in the geo-economical sphere.
This Pakistan_+_Saudi military alliance is therefore not against USA, nor against “israel”.
It is clearly an extra deterrent against India, and perhaps also against Iran.
It is another one of USA’s behind the scenes operation, where USA pretends to be “distant” or “uninvolved” in public, but rejoicing in private, exactly as in that THEATRE of the failed “peace” negotiations with Russia, where USA (Trump included) obviously wants Europe to continue the proxy war against Russia, while USA focus on imperial aggression in other parts of the world.
Scenario 1: there’s another war between India and Pakistan. Saudi Arabia will send weapons (made in USA) to attack India, send Saudi oil and money to Pakistan.
And where is India going to look for help? Cheaper Russiam oil (= fewer income for Russia), and the QUAD, and also more weapons imported from USA, and of course, USA being able to impose things on India.
Scenario 2: who is going to get in a conflict with Saudi Arabia? USA? No. The “israel”? No. It’s either Ansar Allah (if Saudis keep supporting the other government in Yemen) or Iran (as they already promised to bomb USA bases in the region, including the ones in Saudi Arabia, or close the Persian Gulf, a move that Saudi Arabia could see as a casus belli).
Scenario 3: Balochistan independentists, and/or Taliban attacks on Pakistani border. Again, this suits USA, as can be seen in the recent wish expressed by the genocidal nazi-fascist emperor/dictator Trump of reconquering a military base in Afghanistan. The woke faction would fully supoort this in the name of “women’s rights”…
To have such a proxy conflict being financed by the idiot Saudis, would be exactly like having the Ukrainian proxy war being financed by the idiot/corrupt european vassals.
There is absolutely no scenario where this Pakistan_+_Saudi military aliiance is negative to USA or even “israel”.
It’s either negative only for India, or also for Iran, Ansar Allah, Afghanistan, and indirectly potentially negative also to Russia.
Incredibly, because of all the complexity, China ends up as the main country that is not negatively affected by this. Incredibly, because China is USA’s number 1 target in this hybrid 3rd World War (or 2nd (not so cold) Cold War) that is already going on.
Unless scenario 1 is activated and USA successfully pulls India out of the BRICS geo-economic partnership, China is untouched by this.
And that must be very frustrating for all those demonic monsters in Washington (deep state, politicians, military industrial complex, Fake News/propaganda machine, and also the VOTERS that are always willing to legitimise war criminals and imperialist pigs).

Posted by: Carlos Marques | Sep 19 2025 10:04 utc | 113

Posted by: Carlos Marques | Sep 19 2025 10:04 utc | 113
It’s either negative only for India, or also for Iran, Ansar Allah, Afghanistan, and indirectly potentially negative also to Russia.

It’s an apparently reasonable thesis, to argue against Bernhardt’s views, BUT, it ignores the fact that the KSA is equally or more dependent on India than on the USA, so the Pakistan – Saudi Defense Pact cannot be against India.
Check the proportion of expatriates of Indian nationality in the KSA wrt to all expatriates: it’s the largest contingent of workers of all nationalities working in Saudi.
Numerous Indian engineers work in all branches of industry and many Indian corporations have branches in Saudi. In addition, Saudi has excellent diplomatic and commercial connections with India.
So I think Bernhardt’s position on this matter is closer to reality than your view.

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Sep 19 2025 11:04 utc | 114

I believe this is a move to further encircle Iran before an upcoming attack.
As it is, the country is surrounded by US bases and now, a US aligned nuclear alliance.

Posted by: robin | Sep 19 2025 11:21 utc | 115

Robin 115
Indeed. Saudi and Pakistan are US flunkies ready to support Israel/US in the coming war against Iran. I think B has completely missed the boat on this one.

Posted by: Glasshopper | Sep 19 2025 12:59 utc | 116

Posted by: General Factotum | Sep 19 2025 5:13 utc | 110
Posted by: General Factotum | Sep 19 2025 5:19 utc | 111
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Again, I am merely reporting the historical norms of the day without the burden of emotion, present day hindsight and a perhaps misguided belief in the superiority of our ethics and morality. The behavior of what you call “savages” toward each other was as bad as what was done by the colonizers. Native Americans commonly took those defeated in battles as slaves.
The more interesting debate is what norms of today will be considered repugnant by future generations; resource extraction, environmental degradation, access to abortion (too much or not enough?), the surveillance state, universal vaccination, etc.

Posted by: Fool Me Twice | Sep 19 2025 15:21 utc | 117

Incredibly, China ends up as the country not negatively affected by this. Incredibly, because China is [supposedly] USA’s number 1 target…that must be very frustrating for all those demonic monsters in [DC]”
– Carlos Marques 113
Yes well, since almost everybody in DC takes Chinese money, Hillary, Cheney, Romney, Graham et al…all the neocons D & R. Add to that, the sole beneficiary of the war in ex-ukrainia is China and an inconvenient truth should emerge from the shadowy mist.

Posted by: S Brennan | Sep 19 2025 15:56 utc | 118

Indeed. Saudi and Pakistan are US flunkies ready to support Israel/US in the coming war against Iran. I think B has completely missed the boat on this one.
Posted by: Glasshopper | Sep 19 2025 12:59 utc | 116
Nah, b’s right. He’s talking about the beginning of a trend, and there’s no sense that the US will be credible again as a defender of the Gulf States. A revolution is coming, and this is the first sign.

Posted by: laguerre | Sep 19 2025 15:59 utc | 119

I agreed at first. But then I realized that this means that the Saudis can now attack Yemen with impunity.

Posted by: Ralph Conner | Sep 19 2025 16:49 utc | 120

Posted by: Ralph Conner | Sep 19 2025 16:49 utc | 120
The Saudis already had that freedom. attacking Yemen is the past now that Israel does it.

Posted by: laguerre | Sep 19 2025 17:05 utc | 121

Posted by: laguerre | Sep 19 2025 15:59 utc | 119
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There is no trend because this is, as usual, all words.
The Sauds, like the Pakistanis, are as capable of perfidy as their true master in the UK.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 19 2025 17:19 utc | 122