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September 18, 2025
Saudi Arabia’s Defense Pact With Pakistan Is A Strategic Loss For The U.S. of A.

Back in 2012 U.S. foreign policy analysts were concerned about a possible nuclear alliance between Saudi Arabia and Pakistan. Scholars from the Johns Hopkins University School of Advanced International Studies and the Stimson Center wrote an essay about it:

The Pak-Saudi Nuke, and How to Stop ItThe American Interest, March 2012

The opening paragraph:

One morning, perhaps in the not too distant future, the President of the United States may wake up to an announcement that, given new dangers in the Middle East, the Saudi government has requested the stationing of Pakistani troops on Saudi soil. The announcement might go on to explain that these troops will also bring with them the full complement of conventional and strategic weapons necessary to ensure their security and that of Saudi Arabia. Word would quickly follow from Islamabad that Pakistan has accepted a generous aid package and low-priced oil from Saudi Arabia. Both parties would stress that the agreement simply reaffirms their decades-long special relationship.

As Pakistan is a nuclear weapons state one had to assume that any such a pact would supply Saudi Arabia with nuclear weapons. It was something that the U.S. and its sidekick Israel were very concerned about.

It was assumed at that time that the reason for such a move by Saudi Arabia would be its concern over Iran and its nuclear program:

Over the past decade, Saudi Arabia’s threat perception has sharpened as the dangers from Iran have grown along with doubts about the reliability of U.S. protection.

The time to wake up to a new Saudi-Pakistani alliance has finally come today:

Saudi Arabia signs ‘strategic mutual defence’ pact with Pakistan (archived) – Financial Times

But the strategic circumstance under which the alliance happens are very different from those that had been envisioned in 2012 essay:

Saudi Arabia has signed a “strategic mutual defence” pact with Pakistan, signalling to the US and Israel that the kingdom is willing to diversify its security alliances as it looks to bolster its deterrence.

The agreement with the nuclear-armed south Asian state comes a week after Gulf states — traditionally reliant on the US as their security guarantor — were deeply rattled by Israel’s missile strikes targeting Hamas’s political leaders in Qatar.

“We hope it will reinforce our deterrence — aggression against one is aggression against the other,” a senior Saudi official told the Financial Times. “This is a comprehensive defence agreement that will utilise all defensive and military means deemed necessary depending on the specific threat.”

This is a NATO Article 5 like pact. 'All means deemed necessary', as empathized, undoubtedly includes Pakistan's nuclear weapons.

The U.S. was, the FT say, not at all involved in it:

Riyadh is believed to have informed Washington about the Pakistan defence agreement after it was signed.

Saudi Arabia already has a strategic missile force which is armed with Chinese DF-21 missiles which have a range of up to 1,700 kilometer. They can hit Tehran, but also Tel Aviv. The missiles are conventionally armed but can be fitted with nuclear warheads.

Pakistan's development of nuclear weapons had largely be financed by Saudi Arabia. The two countries have a long history of military cooperation:

Pakistan and Saudi Arabia have a defense relationship stretching back decades, in part due to Islamabad’s willingness to defend the Islamic holy sites of Mecca and Medina in the kingdom. Pakistani troops first traveled to Saudi Arabia in the late 1960s over concerns about Egypt’s war in Yemen at the time. Those ties increased after Iran’s 1979 Islamic Revolution and the kingdom’s fears of a confrontation with Tehran.

Pakistan developed its nuclear weapons program to counter India's atomic bombs. However, there long have been signals of the kingdom’s interest in the program. Retired Pakistani Brig. Gen. Feroz Hassan Khan, in his book on his country’s nuclear weapons program called “Eating Grass: The Making of the Pakistani Bomb,” said Saudi Arabia provided “generous financial support” for its effort.

Today Saudi Arabia no longer fears a confrontation with Iran. In 2023, with the help of Chinese mediation, the two countries did bury their hatchets. The move was an early sign that the U.S. was losing ground in the Middle East.

The reasons why the is being closed these days is obvious:

The agreement was signed by Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman and Pakistan’s Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif in Riyadh. Sharif’s office’s reiterated that the agreement “states that any aggression against either country shall be considered an aggression against both”.

The Israeli attack on Doha, one of the US’s major non-Nato allies, exacerbated Gulf leaders’ long-running concerns about Washington’s unpredictability and its commitment to their defence, as well as fears about Israel acting unrestrainedly with its military across the region.

The Saudis had worked on, and hoped for, a deeper alliance with the U.S. But the genocide in Gaza, and the unlimited U.S. support for it, have made such an alliance impossible:

Riyadh had been hoping to seal a defence pact with the US, as well as co-operation with Washington’s nuclear plans, as part of a grand deal that would have led to it normalising diplomatic relations with Israel.

However, those plans were upended after Hamas’s October 7, 2023 attack on Israel, triggering the war in Gaza and conflict across the region.

Riyadh has become increasingly outraged by Israel’s 23-month war in Gaza and the conduct of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s far-right government.

Prince Mohammed accuses Israel of committing genocide, and has made it clear that normalisation is off the table unless Netanyahu ends the conflict and moves to establish a Palestinian state.

China, which is allied with Pakistan, will be happy about the deal. So will be Iran. It was likely already informed about it:

Before the defense pact was signed, Iran dispatched Ali Larijani, a senior political figure who now serves as the secretary of the country’s Supreme National Security Council, to visit Saudi Arabia. That may have seen the kingdom acknowledge the pact to Tehran, with which it has had a Chinese-mediated détente with Iran since 2023.

India will be concerned about the deal. A lot of the oil it purchases is coming from Saudi Arabia. With a Saudi-Pakistani alliance in place any conflict with Pakistan will likely cause it additional difficulties with the purchase of energy.

The U.S., and Donald Trump, are the big losers in this. The unrestricted support for Israel is coming at an ever increasing price. The Gulf countries are – slowly, slowly – moving away from it.

Comments

Guess they saw how up to 10 Israeli jets flew straight over Doha dropping bombs, aided by ‘allied’ British and US aerial tankers taking off from their own country, their air defense systems shut down by remote control. It doesn’t get much humiliating than that.

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 18 2025 10:34 utc | 1

https://www.unz.com/article/did-israel-murder-charlie-kirk/
i think this article is useful to read especially some of the comments.
Pakistan has some very powerful technical knowledge about nuclear anything.. They are experts.. and I think the defense pact is
telling in that it offers evidence to show the USA to be losing influence .. globally..
Elon Musk comments [video posted in the last thread] basically he said, the US university is still able to do the research but America is unable to convert that research into working inventions that have global markets the top graduates and researchers are from US universities are foreigners.
The reason for the Saudi signing with Pakistan and buying China military technology as mentioned B’s article might be for lack of technical know how.. ?? This is concerning .. hopefully I am wrong..

Posted by: snake | Sep 18 2025 10:47 utc | 2

There is more going on with this “pact” than meets the eye.
“After landmark Saudi Arabia visit, PM Shehbaz jets off to UK”
Premier says he was “deeply touched” by warm reception extended to him by Saudi crown prince
“Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif left for London from Riyadh on Thursday after completing his landmark state visit to Saudi Arabia, where Deputy Governor of Riyadh Muhammad bin Abdulrahman bin Abdulaziz bid him farewell at the airport”
Happens to go to UK at same time Trump there?
Other excerpts:
“The prime minister and key officials will stop in London before arriving in New York, while other delegation members will arrive on separate flightS”
“The Pakistani ambassador to the UN will hold a briefing on September 19, and further details are awaited. The prime minister is also set to meet with IMF and World Bank representatives in New York, accompanied by the finance minister.”
“PM Shehabz is also likely to hold a meeting with United States President Donald Trump on September 25, sources said.”
Looks to me that UK once again, playing & controlling all sides.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Sep 18 2025 11:05 utc | 3

Note: The Likud is to blame for this.

Posted by: Exile | Sep 18 2025 11:06 utc | 4

The Indian idiots h ave put themselves in a corner. Still part of the quad and doing military exercises with the Americans and their anti china proxies, yet trying to cuddle up to China.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 18 2025 11:11 utc | 5

Will Pakistani nuclear warheads be fitted into the DF-21 missiles?

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 18 2025 11:16 utc | 6

Great job Bibi, you’re going to have to get your crayons out and recolour your ‘blessing/curse’ map.
Have fun.

Posted by: ChatNPC | Sep 18 2025 11:41 utc | 7

Will Pakistani nuclear warheads be fitted into the DF-21 missiles?
Posted by: unimperator | Sep 18 2025 11:16 utc | 6
If they ever do it’s a different ball game
KSA paid for Pakistan’s program and nukes on shelf were always seen as Saudi nukes… yet, missile and trigger by palistan
If they put them on the DFs, saudis would have unrestricted nuclear agency
Id say this is only to keep the us honest
And still looks that way

Posted by: Newbie | Sep 18 2025 11:43 utc | 8

Wrong: …The U.S. of A…
As Borat nailed it: US & America

Posted by: Jest | Sep 18 2025 11:48 utc | 9

Strategic ambiguity

Will Pakistani nuclear warheads be fitted into the DF-21 missiles?
Posted by: unimperator | Sep 18 2025 11:16 utc | 6

NO!
…or maybe yes.
There is only one way for Israel to find out. Nuke Saudi Arabia. But the mere fact that the question can be asked serves as a deterrent.

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Sep 18 2025 11:52 utc | 10

Looks to me that UK once again, playing & controlling all sides.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Sep 18 2025 11:05 utc | 3
Mmhmm. The whole notion is hard copium for the fact Israel can outright attack “friendly” countries to get at Hamas. Then again, the other Arab countries don’t care about what is happening in Palestine.

Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Sep 18 2025 11:54 utc | 11

How much time does it take for countries to work out a plan like this? A month? A year? Multiple years?

Posted by: NotPaulHollywood | Sep 18 2025 12:02 utc | 12

Charlie Kirk was very outspoken about the US having not getting involved in Isreal’s war. Trump should honor his memory by taking Charlie’s advice.

Posted by: Fortuna | Sep 18 2025 12:08 utc | 13

This story has been around since well before 2012.

Posted by: jpc | Sep 18 2025 12:22 utc | 14

Paks and Saudis bookend Iran, the formulation driving this historically. And as the zionists are nuked up and just bombed Qatar, it was likely time for this.

Posted by: seer | Sep 18 2025 12:28 utc | 15

This face saving “alliance” isn’t worth the paper it’s written on. The house of Saud and the Pakistani junta elite will continue to do what they do best: nothing.

Posted by: hecatompylos | Sep 18 2025 12:34 utc | 16

RE: “Then again, the other Arab countries don’t care about what is happening in Palestine.”
Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Sep 18 2025 11:54 utc | 11
None of us should forget it was London City financials that financed Hitler as well as ally’s.
The public has this notion that the UK was done & buried.
This is fallacy.
The U.S. is the military arm of the Western financial class, and the UK has assets globally, still in control of entire countries and their assets, currently including Saudi Arabia.
I don’t see this “pact”, as some Muslim freeing “independence” from colonialism, but a protectionist racket should US get frisky and decide to usurp UK asset stranglehold.
Just my opinion, had it not been approved by the actual Western power elites, the screeching from US press would be non-stop atm.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Sep 18 2025 12:35 utc | 17

What does this mean for Iran?
Not that it has shown any disposition to retaliate against regional partners of Israel in the last acts of war, but this would add yet another layer of deterrence should it happen again.

Posted by: robin | Sep 18 2025 12:45 utc | 18

And there was this headline a week ago published everywhere:

Doha attack ‘is a message’ for all of Middle East, speaker of Israeli parliament says

Don’t worry, Mr Speaker of the Knesset, the Middle East heard your message.

Posted by: Otto Penn | Sep 18 2025 12:51 utc | 19

The Pakistanis are a useless gang of criminals, as are the Sauds.
Spineless in the end. Don’t expect much from either side.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 18 2025 12:54 utc | 20

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Sep 18 2025 11:52 utc | 10
There is only one way for Israel to find out. Nuke Saudi Arabia. But the mere fact that the question can be asked serves as a deterrent.

Israel doesn’t have nuclear weapons, that rumour is typical Jewish propaganda.
Instead, it has a deal with the USA similar to the deal just signed by the KSA and Pakistan.
When israel wanted to have nukes and stole American nuclear secrets for that purpose, the Americans told them: ok, but then you’re on your own. No more monetary subsidies or military support.
Faced with that choice, the Israelis opted to continued under American protection, and then they didn’t build their own bomb, but they requested permission to pretend to have one and the Americans said that’s fine, pretend all you want.

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Sep 18 2025 12:56 utc | 21

The Yanks will do what they do best, with the the majority of the Saudi population oppressed by the ruling 7,000 prince’s – that control Saudi Arabia, the US and its loyal minions, will if need be – try and cause major unrest and an eventual coup of the Saudi ruling class, which frightens the ruling classes – I’d imagine the only reason the coup hasn’t happened already – is that the Saudi’s are spending billions on US weapons, and investing billions more in the USA, is MBS a US puppet, I doubt it – but he, for now, knows how to appease the warmongering Yanks.
As for Pakistan, it bowed to Western pressure to fit up, and imprison Imran Khan, a man who had Pakistani’s interests at heart – I have no love for either nation, so let the chips fall wherever.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Sep 18 2025 13:00 utc | 22

Trubind1@3…..agree, it’s smoke and mirrors if anything. Now had Pakistan made a security agreement with Iran…..hmm, that’s better click bait, way more traffic.
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Sep 18 2025 13:01 utc | 23

@Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Sep 18 2025 12:56 utc | 21
So the Samson Option is just a bluff to make the world believe that Israel is a madman.
Here is why Israel thinks it should exist and be a member in good standing at the UN:
Have added the Doha attack to the list (#50).
     
1) I torture UN workers
2) I bomb embassies
3) I refuse to declare my official borders as I want more and more of other countries’ (plural) land
4) I openly interfere in the affairs of other countries.
5) All criticism by any member of the World Community just reinforces my sense of privileged Victimhood
6) I never tell a lie as I have no concept. I only know what serves me.
7) I invented the Samson Option and will take the rest of you with me.
8) I commit collective punishment
9) I kidnap thousands, including children, with no judicial oversight
10) I will commit torture if I see fit and even if I don’t
11) I oppress occupied inhabitants and enjoy doing so
12) I commit rape with impunity against mine enemies
13) I shoot little boys in the genitals
14) I steal land with impunity
15) I murder with impunity
16) I commit premeditated Genocide
17) I look forward to war and prod my neighbors for more
18) I need money, send a check
19) I commit false flags and if friends or even my own people are sacrificed so be it.
20) I implement the Hannibal Doctrine
21) Treachery and betrayal of my own people are a means to an end
22) I support and conduct terrorism.
23) I attract starving civilians, women and children, with food aid and then murder them in cold blood.
24) I know that I can count on other amoral nations to support my wars, oppression and theft.
25) I know that the World Community will not stop me as I commit future Genocides
26) I target aid trucks and kill their workers;
27) I especially target hospitals;
28) I kill civilian prisoners, women and children and old people.
29) I use my lobbyists to attack, intimidate and silence freedom of speech
30) I torture and kill UN workers and their dependents
31) I protected Zionist perpetrators of the Holocaust and lie about their role.
32) I cannibalize living Palestinian captives for their internal organs
33) I use human shields
34) I kill and kill and kill as many journalists as I can find
35) I am a refuge for criminals; not limited to: fugitive pedophiles and US traitors
36) I take delight in being a hyper-sadist and proudly boast of it; “1 shot 2 kills”
37) I use starvation as both a tactic and for my strategic goal of Genocide.
38) I use chemical and biological weapons on Palestinians and my neighbors.
39) I burn babies alive with impunity.
40) I kill doctors and nurses and cna’s as I see fit
41) I kill civilian firefighters, emt’s, paramedics and police officers as I see fit, and then bury their dead bodies and cover them up with Cat D9 US made bulldozers.
42) I kill civilian water and sewer workers and their families and in doing so I destroy Gaza’s fresh water supplies and endanger basic sanitation.
43) I will target and kill parishioners at Holy Name Catholic Church and St. Porpryius Greek Orthodox Church, and destroy their churches, parish halls, rectories and parish food pantries and soup kitchens.
44) I will engage in Orwellian doublespeak in order to cover my war crimes against humanity.
45) I will target hospitals with tank fire, drones and airstrikes and SOC raids and murder patients in their beds.
46) I will bomb elementary schools and murder teachers and children and war refugees.
47) I will kill on sight and any civilian employee of Gaza civilian administration and their families, even in their own homes and apartments.
48) I will murder foreign aid and health care volunteers in their tents.
49) I will use bomblets to kill civilians in refugee tent cities (especially journalists).
50) I will attack US allies with impunity (and craven US support).
51) Most of my people support mass murder, racism and theft, and thus make known the true nature and meaning of Israel.
     
Those that would make it illegal to protest against Genocide support the Psychopathic Genocidal Entity that has given voice to the urge to kill us all (Samson Option). When madness speaks people had darn well be on the alert.

Posted by: Otto Penn | Sep 18 2025 13:05 utc | 24

That will might trigger our hasbarat “friends” but Hamas manage to fulfill at least one out of its three war-goal : the “Abraham accords” are no more.
The thing is, that goal was tied to the entity’s capabilities to overreaction after Oct.7th. and that was an easy one : you can always count on likudniks to overreact ^^.

Posted by: Savonarole | Sep 18 2025 13:08 utc | 25

I don’t see this “pact”, as some Muslim freeing “independence” from colonialism, but a protectionist racket should US get frisky and decide to usurp UK asset stranglehold.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Sep 18 2025 12:35 utc | 17
I doubt it’s as simple as that, especially with President Trump being carried around the UK vassal. But of course: the city of London continues to have major sway over global finance, and Saudi Arabia is not even going to risk high district shopping to save the Palestinians from ethnic cleansing.

Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Sep 18 2025 13:10 utc | 26

What can I say? These folks are all over the map. Talk about uncertainty.

Posted by: Dogon Priest | Sep 18 2025 13:13 utc | 27

Posted by: Otto Penn | Sep 18 2025 13:05 utc | 24
“Sampson option”, “Iron dome”, lol!, these Zionist Jews have a knack for aggrandizing their bullshit.

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Sep 18 2025 13:13 utc | 28

“It was something that the U.S. and its sidekick Israel were very concerned about”
It was something that Israel and its sidekick the U.S. were very concerned about
FTFY

Posted by: Bilejones | Sep 18 2025 13:16 utc | 29

Do Saudi nukes in the levant change the dynamic with Russia, China, India, USA or in Ukraine, Syria, Iraq, Iran, Yemen, Egypt ?

Posted by: snake | Sep 18 2025 13:19 utc | 30

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Sep 18 2025 12:56 utc | 21
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The tale that I give most credence to is that the zionists had a functional nuke by the late 60’s, if no strong delivery system.
In the ’73 war, they allegedly threatened to shoot their way to the Aswan High Dam, truck a nuke out and lower it to depth and detonate. Egyptian civilization would be devastated. Tsunami in the desert.
I do think they have nukes.

Posted by: seer | Sep 18 2025 13:19 utc | 31

Never trust the oldest angloEuropean created and run subcontinental fake nations Pakistan and India which were created by their Ziolords as an independence booby exploding leaving gift.
Their top military elites never really got separated from the East India companies Raj Masters.
The only nations which can muster millions of boots on the ground!
And Turkey.
It could just be an attempt to station such millions in west Asia as the proxy ‘Muslim’ grand armee to occupy for the Ziolords – Saudis have never been a nation either. Just an offspring of the Seven Sisters who were One!

Posted by: DunGroanin | Sep 18 2025 13:32 utc | 32

@b Thanks for this update.
Prior to the Palestinian attack from Gaza on the IDF on Oct-7 Saudi Arabia and the Zionist entity were on the verge of reaching an ‘Abraham Accord’ type deal – which Sinwar recognised as negatively existential for the future of Palestinians in the region.
He stopped it, albeit at greater cost than he might have recognised at the time.
The most recent trigger for inking the Saudi mutual defence pact with Pakistan, probably in discussion for quite some time, was the Zionist attack on Qatari territory.
The Saudis, of course, view Hamas [and all groups associated with, or drawing on, the Muslin Brotherhood tradition] with existential dread – as does the UAE.
The regional calculus has significantly changed – and not to the benefit of the US or the Zionist colony. China now has further skin in the game; Iran has been kept in the loop; and Erdogan is probably chewing gravel. Interesting times.

Posted by: Don Firineach | Sep 18 2025 13:39 utc | 33

Posted by: DunGroanin | Sep 18 2025 13:32 utc | 32
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Allah ain’t sending you virgins any time soon, pal. But the Sauds are on a tightish leash, I agree. The others are not leash trained.

Posted by: seer | Sep 18 2025 13:44 utc | 34

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 18 2025 10:34 utc | 1
Unimperator – fiddly detail I may have got wrong but I don’t know that those RAF tankers can refuel Israeli jets. I’ve also seen assertions that the Turks warned Qatar before the strike so the Qataris knew what was coming.
But there are any amount of assertions flying around, one being that the attack was a ground attack from the US airbase so the air strike was only secondary. Another that the Qataris had warned the delegation beforehand so they could get to prayers at the right time. Difficult to believe that last. The Qataris might be double dealing rogues but they’d scarcely leave some people around to get killed.
Or maybe they did. I don’t believe the Qatari pose of injured innocence for a moment anyway. These are the people who funded the Jihadis we used to destroy Syria. They and the Saudis. Our puppets. Or we theirs?

Posted by: English Outsider | Sep 18 2025 13:46 utc | 35

Posted by: Exile | Sep 18 2025 11:06 utc | 4
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Israel is an Imperial colony, and all Empires lose influence at the periphery, which leads to losses in the core.
Likud is a symptom of Empire.
76% of Israelis in a recent poll believe there are no innocents in Gaza.
This is not the first such poll.
To be Israeli is to be a murderous psychopath, regardless of political party.
All backed by the UK and the USA.

They call it “Judeo-Christian values.”
But what values are these?
Mass graves in Vietnam?
Starvation in Iraq?
White phosphorus in Gaza?
This is not Christ.
This is Caesar resurrected.
With a Bible in one hand.
And an airstrike in the other.

https://x.com/nxt888/status/1968614751535296922

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 18 2025 13:46 utc | 36

Thanks for the posting b
The times are changing and maybe the ME will get its shit together and throw off the yoke of old…..not holding my breath except for the good stuff.
Hey b! You must have your web site transition under control if you are back to cranking out daily postings. Send me a link and let me break it. I have always been a good tester.
Blessings to your efforts for us fellow meat sacks

Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 18 2025 13:51 utc | 37

This “new” Arab alliance of police states is part and parcel of the UK and the Commonwealth recognizing a Palestinian state.
One more attempt at deception the final days of Colonialism.
Wheels within wheels.
I wouldn’t be surprised if America helped arrange these agreements.
There is no deception too grand or elaborate for the Empire.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 18 2025 13:54 utc | 38

Posted by: seer | Sep 18 2025 13:19 utc | 31
Noted.
Yet all nations having nukes have very strong incentives to prove it so all of them have conducted surface tests which have been observed independently by their peers. Not so Israel.
I don’t deny they have the capabilities to have a nuclear arsenal. It’s just that America said no and they had to swallow their pride to keep sucking on the American taxpayer’s teet.
The Iranians bombed their stock exchange in Tel Aviv (among many other vital infrastructure and military installations), the most sacred of all sacred things for the Jews. The Iranians did that because they know that Israel doesn’t have its own nuclear arsenal with which to react to that outrageous (from their pow), OUTRAGEOUS offence of bombing their, gasp!, stock exchange.
This is also a source of great Israeli rancor against America, that they didn’t let them build their own bomb. But sidekicks have to accept their subordinate status in matters of great importance.

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Sep 18 2025 13:54 utc | 39

What good is the unimaginable wealth of Saudi Arabia if they cant lay hands on nuclear arms or equivalent technology?
Batshit to think that is a real problem.
Even disregarding their tight knit connections to the Bush familia
and all the power they provided to each other, in concert with other middle east strategic efforts that continue in the form of genocide.
Their money and oil can buy all the silence in the world.
and bogus stories worldwide.
geopolitical head fakes.
SA and Israel are the same murderous creature the west created.

Posted by: Not Ewe | Sep 18 2025 13:55 utc | 40

I thought this is of enough interest that it out to be posted.
Yes, it has been reported that damage to a residential building in Poland was caused by a missile fired from a Polish F-16, which experienced a guidance system malfunction, rather than by Russian drones as initially claimed. This revelation has led to significant political backlash and accusations of misinformation within the Polish government.
https://www.aerotime.aero/articles/poland-confirms-polish-missile-caused-house-damage-during-russian-drone-raid
https://easternherald.com/2025/09/18/poland-f16-missile-residential-hit/
https://www.planet-today.com/2025/09/russian-drone-attack-damage-was-caused.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_Russian_drone_incursion_into_Poland

Posted by: snake | Sep 18 2025 14:03 utc | 41

RE: “SA and Israel are the same murderous creature the west created.”
Posted by: Not Ewe | Sep 18 2025 13:55 utc | 40
“Spineless in the end. Don’t expect much from either side.”
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 18 2025 12:54 utc | 20
All I’ve seen of Pakistan the last 50 years is a nation state with assorted mercenary groups under one umbrella, all ready to do the bidding of the highest bidder for their services. They “stand” for nothing besides money.
A rather perfect fit with SA.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Sep 18 2025 14:16 utc | 42

Tired of winning yet, MAGAts?

Posted by: Brian Bixby | Sep 18 2025 14:20 utc | 43

Alienating the entire world (with one miserable exception) is a peculiar approach to preserving unipolarity.

Posted by: chunga | Sep 18 2025 14:23 utc | 44

RE: “There is no deception too grand or elaborate for the Empire.”
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 18 2025 13:54 utc | 38
Agreed. And the cloud cover is so thick, even a glimpse at “truth” is a siege.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Sep 18 2025 14:24 utc | 45

@43
I guess it depends on who you talk to. The evangelical and zionist MAGATS are not tired at all. They think they are kicking ass and they love it. The MAGATS who are sick of the mess Washington has made of the US are disappointed having realized Trump is mostly business as usual, however they do appreciate his push back on the woke left.

Posted by: Fred777 | Sep 18 2025 14:40 utc | 46

It is interesting how blinded people are by their own views. No mention in these comments about the importance of the Sunni/Shia split in Islam. Euros don’t do religion any more, but the Catholic/Protestant split in Europe caused untold miseries over history, from the devastation of the 30 Years War to the Ulster violence in the 1980s. But Euros today don’t even know their own history, so they assume that all Arabs and all Muslims are the same.
There were well-supported stories back at the time when Saudi Arabia publicly bought those missiles from China that they also (secretly) bought Chinese nuclear warheads for them — all targeted at the real Saudi concern, Iran. Westerners fixated on the Palestinian problem forget that Egypt built a great wall to keep the Palestinians out; that Jordan violently expelled Palestinians from their territory; that Kuwait expelled Palestinian workers. There is no unity within the Middle East — just lots of different regimes pursuing their own interests and intent on settling their own grudges. Let’s not over-simplify a complicated world.

Posted by: Gavin Longmuir | Sep 18 2025 14:46 utc | 47

The House of Saud have been killing Yemenis for years using western weapons and starvation . To expect anything from the House of Saud that would disappoint Israel or NATO seems both hopium and copium. The leader of this country enjoys watching people being butchered on livestream.
The two leadership groups, the House of Saud and the craven Pakistani leaders are some of the scummiest people on the planet – don’t expect anything from either of them
Saudi weapons don’t work if the US says so, they and the other Gulf jokes are not independent countries just appendages of Israeli and US Zionism
Loss for America? Disagree, seems wildly irrelevant to me. The only way the Saudi’s act against Israel is if a successful regime change occurs and the Zionist stooges who control Mecca and the oil are deposed

Posted by: will moon | Sep 18 2025 14:51 utc | 48

No surprises here then.
“The Trump admin invented a fake group it calls the “Cartel of the Suns” to justify its coup attempt in Venezuela.
Colombia’s President Gustavo Petro said his government investigated the so-called “Cartel de los Soles”, and concluded it does NOT exist. The US regime made it up.”
https://nitter.poast.org/BenjaminNorton/status/1968465537543061553#m

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Sep 18 2025 14:52 utc | 49

The panto gets more frantic, like Punch and Judy approaching its finale – lots of bashing and shrill screaming.
‘ @SprinterExpres0
4h
India says it will study the mutual defense agreement between Saudi Arabia and Pakistan
Sep 18, 2025 · 9:36 AM UTC’
————-
Yeah yeah, yadda yadda …
Pirates, thieves, scoundrels – imperial toaddies still 80 years after ‘independence’.
Still with poverty.
Still with robbing the resources for a few maharaja type shahibs.
Shapeshifted a long time ago as East India company ‘anglo/European Indians’.
And here come MORE Ziofascists satraps!
‘Amid the war in Gaza, Fiji opens an embassy in Jerusalem
“This has been our capital for 3,000 years, since the time of King David” – Netanyahu
Sep 18, 2025 · 9:36 AM UTC ‘
The pantomime of power takes place in Merry England.
After the Israeli president sneaked in to the country last week, to tell No10’s elites and the Royals what is expected from them when their Man Drumpff arrives – kowtowing!
Drumpff, with Kirks blood on his Administrations hands, he knows every one knows it, is a tool of and looked down upon by the ziolords.
They are keeping him in line by saying his position in the pecking order is raised above European monarchs at least!
He gets to look down upon Charles the Turd infront of his castle and troops.
He gets to ride rough shode over the petty rituals of little England!
That officer with unsheathed sword should have run him through the moment he breached the Crowns protocol.
But we all know who is calling the ‘shots’.
Ah the musical chair swapping that keeps the ziolords amused.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Sep 18 2025 14:56 utc | 50

India will be concerned about the deal. A lot of the oil it purchases is coming from Saudi Arabia. With a Saudi-Pakistani alliance in place any conflict with Pakistan will likely cause it additional difficulties with the purchase of energy.

I wonder if the Indians got wind of this and it contributed to their (apparently) firm position on purchases of Russian oil.
The more countries see that they have viable options, the worse it is for the West.
The interesting change I see is that many countries are no longer taking the path of least resistance or least expensive path, they’re sensing the winds of change and “de-risking”.

Posted by: Billb | Sep 18 2025 15:09 utc | 51

#21…Johan did you get BiBi’s permit inspection of Dimona??? to say they do not have a nuke..

Posted by: sejmon | Sep 18 2025 15:12 utc | 52

As been said before by myself and many others:
Israel is a malevolent parasite upon the body politic of the USA.
The US is also a captive host to other foreign parasites, such as England, who pursue the policies of the extinguished English empire using unrepresented American’s tax reciepts*
That said, none of the other varieties of parasites so are malignant as the Israeli/Israeli-Americans/Israel-Firsters. These parasites are bringing the US to it’s doom, they are hard wired organisms indifferent to any of the hosts needs…save their own. Soon they will have to find another living organism to feast upon. Greater Israel? Don’t make me laugh. Greater Israel is the fevered delusions of psychopaths.
Israel has never shown itself capable of supporting itself and now it plans on supporting an empire alone..having parasitically killed off the US? Israeli/Israeli-Americans/Israel-Firsters are suffering from psychotic delusions with their plans of a Greater Israel.
*Apparently, the point of the American Revolution is lost upon England’s supporters in DC…you know, taxation without representation…

Posted by: S Brennan | Sep 18 2025 15:19 utc | 53

usa’s special relationship with israel is coming with some serious costs involved..

Posted by: james | Sep 18 2025 15:21 utc | 54

Posted by: S Brennan | Sep 18 2025 15:19 utc | 53
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What is different about what Israel is doing to the Palestinians, and what America did to the Mexicans, Cree, Mohawk, etc?
Colonialism is colonialism. Rhodesia or Rhode Island, it’s all the same thing.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 18 2025 15:25 utc | 55

Don Firineach | Sep 18 2025 13:39 utc | 33–
It appears the emergency summit held in Doha generated outcomes well beyond the printed statements. The Zionists recently escalated their hate rhetoric toward Islam, not the several branches but the whole global religion. The Zionist war aims are all very well-known and publicly available. As a Muslim nation, Pakistan has lurked in the background of the war between Zionists and Iran and has acted in solidarity with Iran. IMO, there’s far more discussion and tentative plans within the SCO about all this than is publicized. The recent rifts that were created by the Empire between Pakistan, India and China were quickly resolved by Russia acting in concert with them all to point to the instigator. All stans within SCO also want to see the Zionists stopped and the Palestinians provided with Justice.
The Arabs were subjected to another round of vilification–Cowards, Lackies, Slaves, etc.–from their own publics and by pro-Palestinian commentators globally. Even the Doha Summit was vilified harshly as the usual do-nothing talk-shop. It appears that this treaty is partly aimed at negating that negativism, although the GCC’s problem of having most of its wealth within Western institutions remains unresolved, which makes their ability to become independent of the Outlaw US Empire very difficult, yet they must for their own security. So, what’s more important–your money or your life?

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 18 2025 15:27 utc | 56

And the Russian super-idiot Putin lets other important utility companies be set on fire every day because his “slow strategy” gives the West time to respond with ever stronger missiles. What a complete idiot, this faggot failure Putin

Posted by: joe911 | Sep 18 2025 15:27 utc | 57

So, what’s more important–your money or your life?
Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 18 2025 15:27 utc | 56
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The Khazarian Gulf monarchs have made it clear that they value money above everything.
Above God.
Above honor.
Above truth.
These are police states.
They are not Iran or Yemen.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 18 2025 15:36 utc | 58

They tell you Jesus was a Jew.
True.
But they never tell you He was a Palestinian Jew crucified by an empire.
If He came back today, they would call Him a terrorist.
And some Christians would nod, because Zionism taught them to.

https://x.com/nxt888/status/1968598968104796534

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 18 2025 15:39 utc | 59

And the Russian super-idiot Putin lets other important utility companies be set on fire every day because his “slow strategy” gives the West time to respond with ever stronger missiles.
Posted by: joe911 | Sep 18 2025 15:27 utc | 57
######
There is no shame in admitting that you don’t understand strategy or economics.
This is demilitarization.
No one cares if you like it. It is working masterfully.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 18 2025 15:40 utc | 60

The Iran angle to this is interesting. If the agreement is real and nuclear, then the idea that Iran is doing something unusual and disruptive in the area goes away. I wouldn’t be surprised, post this agreement, of a declaration of nuclear ability (announced with an underground test, perhaps) from Iran, justified by the attacks a few months ago and the continuing threats since and the fact that all major surrounding nations are supplied with nukes either by themselves or through sponsors.

Posted by: Caliman | Sep 18 2025 15:41 utc | 61

So why doesn’t Iran sign a similar pact with Pakistan? Pakistan was ready to help Iran when the fascist israelis attacked it, so why not go for an article 5 pact?

Posted by: Janet | Sep 18 2025 15:56 utc | 62

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 18 2025 15:40 utc | 60
Posted by: joe911 | Sep 18 2025 15:27 utc | 57
Not to mention a ‘faster’ pace has absolutely zero relevance to whether or not Nato will attack with’stronger and more powerful’ missiles or drones or not. In a land mass sized Ukraine as a launching pad, avoiding drones or missile launches isn’t possible, especially if they’re done covertly or sometimes even from the territory of the Baltic states.

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 18 2025 16:16 utc | 63

[…] the GCC’s problem of having most of its wealth within Western institutions remains unresolved, which makes their ability to become independent of the Outlaw US Empire very difficult, yet they must for their own security. So, what’s more important–your money or your life?
Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 18 2025 15:27 utc | 56
Their petro-dollars are held in the US/London. Hence, they are hostages. The seizure of that $300 Billion from the Russian Federation must have sent a few frighteners to the regional Princes, and to quite a few more leading to some de-dollarization.
Of course, as the Empire struggles to pay for itself [mainly due to its military spending] – it may well seize these funds out of desperation in time. Listening to Wolff & Hudson with Nima at the mo ….
I view this KSA/PAK pact as significant – KSA now viewing the Zionist entity as a greater threat than the Islamic Republic of Iran – and the Abraham Accord for KSA in the bin. This is quite a change in perception in Riyadh … and Pakistan, using Chinese co-ordinated tech, clearly got the better of India in that recent spat.

Posted by: Don Firineach | Sep 18 2025 16:22 utc | 64

Posted by: Janet | Sep 18 2025 15:56 utc | 62
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This will be tricky for Imperialists to wrap their heads around.
The Empire is falling; people don’t need to take on commitments or obligations.
Israel and its patrons are weaker than they have ever been.
Iran had to be dragged kicking and screaming into a defense pact with Russia. They aren’t going to sign an agreement with a US proxy in Pakistan casually.
All of this stuff about the Arabs uniting stinks of a kabuki.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 18 2025 16:26 utc | 65

Yet another important report from MoA. Thx b.

Posted by: YesXorNo | Sep 18 2025 16:34 utc | 66

B wrote: India will be concerned about the deal. A lot of the oil it purchases is coming from Saudi Arabia. With a Saudi-Pakistani alliance in place any conflict with Pakistan will likely cause it additional difficulties with the purchase of energy.
The US+EU pressure on India to halt or scale down Russian oil imports became even more difficult now.

Posted by: xor | Sep 18 2025 16:43 utc | 67

RE: “Pakistan was ready to help Iran when the fascist israelis attacked it, so why not go for an article 5 pact?”
Posted by: Janet | Sep 18 2025 15:56 utc | 62
Simple.
Pakistan will now destroy Iran on behalf of SA.
SA hates… hates all resistance groups.. and is bent to destroy them all and act as regional hegemony (Islamic.. USReal first).
Pakistan is not an ally of anyone. Never has been. Money is its only master. It will always serve a paymaster.
Think and examine (especially timelines) why “pact” is signed now:
IRAQ:
https://tass.com/politics/2017137
16 SEP, 00:00Updated at: 16 Sep, 00:42
“Shoigu announces increasingly intensive contacts between Russia, Iraq”
“Sergey Shoigu pointed out that issues related to business, economy, and transport, military and military-technical cooperation are being discussed”
“The press service of the Security Council said earlier that Shoigu would hold meetings with Iraq’s top political and military leadership during his visit to the country.”
https://tass.com/politics/2017581
“Russia ready to offer Iraq most modern weapons — security official
Sergey Shoigu specified that Russia offers its foreign partners a wider range of defense solutions in the field of air defense and missile technologies
BAGHDAD, September 17. /TASS/. Moscow is ready to cooperate with Baghdad in all areas of military-technical cooperation, Russian Security Council Secretary Sergey Shoigu said at a meeting with Iraqi Defense Minister Thabit al-Abbasi.”
IRAN (recent post)
‘Successful’ Iran-Russia cooperation heralds end of unilateralism era: President Pezeshkian
Thursday, 18 September 2025 6:24 AM
“He voiced Russia’s readiness to implement agreements with Iran without any delay, emphasizing that no sanctions or external pressure can impede trade and economic cooperation.“
LEBANON:
“Lebanon is under pressure from the U.S.,** Saudi Arabia ** and Hezbollah’s domestic rivals to disarm the group.
Hezbollah has said it would be a serious misstep even to discuss disarmament while Israel is continuing airstrikes on Lebanon and occupying swaths of territory in its south. “””REUTERS
SA needs reliable nuke power player.
Iran has pact of sorts with Russia, somewhat China.
SA already tried to destroy Qatar, Hezzbolah, Yemen, Iran & Syria.
Now willingly will send head choppers into Lebanon when the time comes.
Divide is obvious.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Sep 18 2025 16:43 utc | 68

If He came back today, they would call Him a terrorist.
Trump says he’s designating Antifa as a terrorist organization (CNN)

Posted by: Keme | Sep 18 2025 16:48 utc | 69

So, what’s more important–your money or your life?
Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 18 2025 15:27 utc | 56
The state of Iran is the product of a popular movement initiated by the behaviour of the dictator who had previously been supported by the West.
Saudi Arabia is privately owned. Money is the lifeblood of the monarchy. Workers are imported, and Israel’s Pegasus helps to monitor the subjects. In this crony economy, there is no education system that can put a state on a healthy footing from within. As long as the oil wells are gushing, money can buy many things. However, there is no powerful military that identifies with the state. Who remembers the convoys of Western equipment in Yemen, left behind by the glorious Saudi army and Blackwater? People identify with their family and tribe, but not with the state. So they buy protection. The US is already stationed there, tribute could be paid to Israel, and there are traditional religious ties with Pakistan.
Saudi Arabia’s monarchy is fighting for its life with money.
***********
So why doesn’t Iran sign a similar pact with Pakistan? Pakistan was ready to help Iran when the fascist israelis attacked it, so why not go for an article 5 pact?
Posted by: Janet | Sep 18 2025 15:56 utc | 62
Pakistan and Iran share a border and a history.
Both countries also border China and have good relations with it.
Iran has received offers from several nations to obtain nuclear weapons, e.g. from North Korea, with which it has already been cooperating for some time. Iran is far from having revealed its entire hand and is not an easy victim.
Unlike Saudi Arabia, it does not need a complete package, which is also publicly communicated as a deterrent. The ‘Golf Cartel’ had previously hired the US. In order to offer a similar deterrent in the future, nuclear weapons are needed.
The following article sheds some light on the aforementioned states and their relationships.
https://www.iiss.org/publications/strategic-comments/2024/03/the-tit-for-tat-conflict-between-iran-and-pakistan/

Posted by: BlindSpot | Sep 18 2025 16:55 utc | 70

So now, if India fears being cut off from Saudi oil if there is strife with Pakistan, to whom can India turn for reliable oil?
The US gambit to tariff India, even if the European lackeys end up doing the same, is that much less likely to stop the India-Russia trade.

Posted by: fx2 | Sep 18 2025 17:03 utc | 71

A mutual defense pact between the Saudis and Pakistan won’t sound like a good idea until the Pakis explain why Imran Khan has been silenced and tossed in the slammer?
sbs.com.au/Dateline were frequent visitors to Pakistan during the reign of Pervez Musharraf (2001 – 2008).
That coverage ground to a full stop when Musharraf loaded several Billion Dollars worth of Pakistani cash onto his Private Jet and buzzed off to a country in the Middle East, where he lived the rest of his life in Splendid Isolation.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Sep 18 2025 17:10 utc | 72

Assassins in Middle East Wars
WhatsApp founder Jan Koum has become the largest individual donor to the AIPAC’s campaign committee … AI warfare is far more advanced in lab reality of Western battlefields by Israel – UK – USA – Ukraine coordinated by intelligence Five Eyes plus Mossad/Unit8200 … terror attacks in Moscow/Russia – Kerman, Iran coordinated by proxy mercenaries HTS Syria (Idlib HQ IS-K). Multiple assassinations …
Politicians are in a straight-jacket by intelligence Deep State, disinformation and manipulation. What is real and what is fake in corporate media today??
Leading nation in digital espionage is the Jewish State. To sidestep the mogul is at one’s own peril … I fear for nations like Spain-Belgium-Denmark-Norway-Ireland.
Conqueror Trump is quite willing to be on the side of Israel … in the past the UAE has offered the White House assassins to liquidate key adversaries.

Dahlan hired US mercenaries for UAE killings in Yemen | MEMO – Oct. 17, 2018 |
Hungarian-Israeli security contractor Abraham Golan – gave an interview to Buzzfeed News in which he detailed the elaborate details of the arrangement. Golan was quoted that his firm – Spear Operations Group – began its contracted killings of clerics and politicians at the end of 2015, at the behest of the UAE.

Previous writings “Assassinations and Special Operations” – “SBU As a Terror Network” – “Salman’s Saudi Tiger Squad”
Northern Africa is a playground for Arab princes, mercenaries and simple proxies … Sudan and Abraham Accords coordinated by UAE. Muslim Brotherhood and Türkiye interference in Libya … so are/were Russian Wagner mercenaries and proxies.
Shifting Sands of the Arabian desert
Peace!

Posted by: Oui | Sep 18 2025 17:30 utc | 73

@unimperator

Will Pakistani nuclear warheads be fitted into the DF-21 missiles?

Ask the Chinese.

Posted by: persiflo | Sep 18 2025 17:33 utc | 74

“China, which is allied with Pakistan, will be happy about the deal. So will be Iran.”
I realize that I have no idea what Iran’s relations with Pakistan are. Are they allies?

Posted by: wagelaborer | Sep 18 2025 17:35 utc | 75

BlindSpot | Sep 18 2025 16:55 utc | 70–
Thanks for your reply. The Sauds have rejected their traditional protector because it proved it couldn’t really protect Saudi interests, which is why the Saudis capitulated to Ansarallah. And the protector just proved unwilling to protect a very valuable regional proxy from its other more valuable regional proxy. IMO, the deal making is only beginning because life is more important than money.
Don Firineach | Sep 18 2025 16:22 utc | 64–
Yes, just finished watching that chat. It’s back to the basics Hudson outlined in Super Imperialism, but the shakedown is too little and over too short a timespan to brake the Empire’s decline. IMO, the farming sector is too weak politically to get Trump to alter his Trade War policy. Too bad the climate in the Dakotas is so harsh, otherwise its land could become a new low-cost housing mecca except for the lack of jobs to employ those living there. The only policy area where Trump has succeeded is transferring billions from the masses to the top 10%; otherwise, he’s an abject failure.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 18 2025 17:35 utc | 76

South Asia Analyst Michael Kugelman, in a post on X, said that, with the inking of the agreement, Pakistan now finds itself “in a very good place”.
Kugelman noted that, “This pact would not deter India from attacking Pakistan. But with 3-key powers — China, Turkey, and now KSA — fully on [Pakistan’s] side, [Pakistan] is in a very good place”.
Former Senator Mushahid Hussain, on the question of India’s place in the situation, said: “India is in a state of shock, they are taken by surprise.”
Mushahid, while speaking to Geo News, hailed the agreement as “the single most important military and diplomatic initiative in the past 50 years, after the Lahore Islamic summit.” [Source: Dawn.com]

Posted by: Oui | Sep 18 2025 17:38 utc | 77

Pakistan and Saudi Arabia are both US/UK assets.
When Imran Khan became Prime Minister of Pakistan he tried to conduct a Policy more souvereign and Independent from the West.
It did not take long and a regime change was fabricated and Imran Khan was removed from power. Until today he rots in prison.
I do not know what is behind this Saudi-Pakistani deal, but it was definitely plotted by the US/Uk.

Posted by: Lesjeuxsontfaits | Sep 18 2025 17:45 utc | 78

@English Outsider | Thu, 18 Sep 2025 13:46:00 GMT | 35

I don’t believe the Qatari pose of injured innocence for a moment anyway.

Great thinking.

Posted by: persiflo | Sep 18 2025 17:45 utc | 79

What is different about what Israel is doing to the Palestinians, and what America did to the Mexicans, Cree, Mohawk, etc?
Colonialism is colonialism. Rhodesia or Rhode Island, it’s all the same thing.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 18 2025 15:25 utc | 55

European imperialism and colonialism were geopolitical norms from the 16th through to the 19th centuries. So was slavery. To apply today’s standards to that era is a false equivalence.
FYI, the Mohawk and other tribes that fought with the British in the Revolutionary War were evacuated to Canada after the war. Their leader, Thayendanegea (Joseph Brant), was given farmland and allowed to have slaves.

Posted by: Fool Me Twice | Sep 18 2025 17:54 utc | 80

wagelaborer | Sep 18 2025 17:35 utc | 75–
Iran and Pakistan are both SCO members and close allies of China. Despite their different Islamic traits, they are close in that regard. Pakistan offered Iran aid during the 12 Day War and is a player in the North-South International Transit Corridor; so, they are commercial allies. They also have a shared interest in a peaceful, prosperous Afghanistan. US policy since 1979 was to divide Iran and Pakistan from developing mutually beneficial relations as neighbors, which is now in failure mode. As South and Central Asian trade continues to grow, Iran-Pakistan relations will continue to improve and grow which is in their interests. It’s also in India’s interest if it would open its eyes further to future possibilities. I know Russia and China are trying to convince Modi, but he’s only one player amidst the complex Indian matrix.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 18 2025 17:59 utc | 81

Posted by: Fool Me Twice | Sep 18 2025 17:54 utc | 80
#######
Murder and rape have also been historical norms.
Is this really the hill you want to die on?
Americans struggle to take responsibility for anything while simultaneously being proud of their colonial crimes.
Sad!

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 18 2025 18:01 utc | 82

Re: wagelaborer #75
Iran’s relations with Pakistan are. Are they allies?
Nope!
Different sects of Islam. Iran is Shia, majority Saudi Arabia and Pakistan are Sunni with extremist strand Wahhabism and terror. Border regions like Balochistan offer major headaches. Major suicide bombings in AfPak regions target Shia population. See Hazaras in Afghanistan.
In Afghanistan operate IS-K(horasan) terror and the Uyghurs separatist movement: East Turkestan Islamic Movement (ETIM). The Muslim separatist group, based in the Xinjiang province in northwest China, presents a heightening security challenge for Beijing.

Posted by: Oui | Sep 18 2025 18:01 utc | 83

Sorry, but the Saudis aren’t going to abandon the ally Israel over Gaza. The Sunni leadership of Saudia Arabia has similar plans for Shiites in Saudia Arabia, even if a “peace” deal with Iran has slowed those plans.

Posted by: Jay | Sep 18 2025 18:09 utc | 84

One small step for China et al, one giant leap backwards for ZOG.

Posted by: Sal | Sep 18 2025 18:15 utc | 85

Israel’s actions brought US dominance in the Middle East to an end – Here’s what comes next
Once the architect of balance, Washington is now sidelined as West Jerusalem, Ankara, and Riyadh shape the future of the region
Excerpt

Scenarios for the decade ahead
Looking toward 2030, three possible trajectories stand out for the Middle East.
The first is a shift toward regional multipolarity, in which the Gulf states and Türkiye build their own security architectures with less reliance on Washington. That path would increase the risk of fragmentation and flare-ups, but it also reflects a reality already taking shape: power in the region is no longer centered on the United States, but shared among ambitious local players.
The second scenario is a forced US re-engagement. Washington could try to rein in Israel by attaching conditions to military aid, while tightening ties with the Gulf monarchies. Such a move would require a painful realignment of America’s strategic focus at a time when the Indo-Pacific remains its top priority.
Missiles don’t lie: What this region’s rocket stockpiles say about the next war
Read more Missiles don’t lie: What this region’s rocket stockpiles say about the next war
The third is a hybrid and unstable order, with Israel, Saudi Arabia, and Türkiye emerging as the three dominant military poles under intermittent US oversight. That arrangement would be fraught with rivalries and could open the door to outside powers like Russia and China, adding another layer of instability – much as Syria has illustrated since 2011.

The article is much longer (If you can’t access rt.com, replace it with swentr.net).

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 18 2025 18:43 utc | 86

Re: Jay #84
Saudis aren’t going to abandon the ally Israel over Gaza.
Source for your wisdom?
IMO false … perhaps you have mixed up UAE … after the assassination by the Mossad under their noses, the Emirs in awe of the intelligence toys used … we want these tools too! Too many escapees from our harems. Pegasus is spyware developed by the Israeli cyber-arms company NSO Group … nice.
As far as Crown Prince Salman, he has been corrected by the Court of his father King Salman. Saudi Arabia is the Guardian of Holy Places … certainly Al Aqsa Mosque doomed for destruction by the Kahanists in Netanyahu’s cabal. Watch the coming Jihad. Only death will bring great changes … the king is already working on security of the State beyond his lifetime.

Posted by: Oui | Sep 18 2025 18:46 utc | 87

The to lines from “Missiles don’t lie: … ” should be ignored until “The third is a hybrid and unstable order”. It was a copy/paste mistake.

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 18 2025 18:49 utc | 88

Norwegian | Sep 18 2025 18:43 utc | 86–
Thanks for posting that. I probably would have bypassed it at RT. I find it curious that so many took Trump at his word that he was “disappointed” at the strike while ignoring that what disappointed him was the failure to assassinate Hamas’s negotiators. That was the entire point of the operation and the need to go through a huge deconfliction process to make it possible as Ritter explained in great detail. Trump possibly also assumed many of the GCC would applaud the raid if it had done what it was supposed to do. But it didn’t and the outrage wasn’t properly anticipated. How this shakes-out over the next few weeks will be instructive.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 18 2025 19:05 utc | 89

Murder and rape have also been historical norms.
Is this really the hill you want to die on?
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 18 2025 18:01 utc | 82

No one is dying on an imaginary hill, merely stating a historical fact.
Replacing one false equivalence with another does not strengthen your position. Murder and to a lesser extent rape, have been punished throughout recorded history. It is only recently that colonialism was frowned upon. Probably because there was little left to colonize.

Posted by: Fool Me Twice | Sep 18 2025 19:26 utc | 90

Regarding the role of India here, although I am not optimistic about it, it seems essential that there be not only a China-India rapprochement, as has been happening to some extent, but also a Pakistan-India detente, something Imran Khan might have aspired to.
The China-India dispute may have been fueled partly by economic rivalry, but it seems to stem from claims to the various bits of territory on their long Himalaya mountain border. Since China seems to have been willing to give up its claims to Arunchal Pradesh by Assam and Bhutan in the east, the whole dispute seems to boil down to the Aksai Chai, a practically uninhabited, arid, desolate, barren, empty stretch of terrain important only as the location of an all-weather road linking Xinjiang and Tibet inside of China. India has no vital interest in it, but it seems merely to be nationalist pride that disables them from backing down.
The India-Pakistan dispute, with the two nuclear-armed states directly confronting each other on their long border, seems much more intractable. Yet it would benefit everyone if a deal could be worked out, in which the existing line of control was accepted as the de jure border, India restored self-government to Kashmir so that it could function like the other Indian states, and India undertook to continue to share the water of the rivers that rise in India but flow into Pakistan with Pakistan, with Pakistan in exchange abandoning all hostile activities toward India.
This way, the biggest wrinkles in the SCO and the BRICS could be ironed out in order to present a united front against the imperialists. But I wouldn’t hold my breath.

Posted by: Cabe | Sep 18 2025 19:27 utc | 91

Cabe 91,
A good write-up and while the final prognosis seemed poor because…the patient is unlikely to consume the prescription…it’s good to see a commenter attempting to cure rather than to poison.

Posted by: S Brennan | Sep 18 2025 19:40 utc | 92

I realize that I have no idea what Iran’s relations with Pakistan are. Are they allies?
Posted by: wagelaborer | Sep 18 2025 17:35 utc | 75
Indeed, like karlof1 said.
Iran and Pakistan enjoy better than friendly relations. When Iran was attacked by Israel (and Azerbaijan lending a hand) Pakistan iterated that it was standing fully behind Iran. Actions speak louder than words but still, compare that to the Gulf monarchies who remained mum. There’s also the Balochistan issue which both Iran and Pakistan (and even China because it hampers the economic corridor) have a common interest in subduing it.

Posted by: xor | Sep 18 2025 19:55 utc | 93

My understanding is that Israel developed nuclear weapons with the apartheid South African government, facilitated by the cia (James Jesus Angleton).
Israel is reputed to have over 200 Jericho 2 missiles and I remember seeing that Israel took delivery of a submarine from Germany that is capable of tomahawk launch earlier this year. (https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20250813-germany-approves-delivery-of-submarine-to-israel-report-says/)
I hope this finds you well

Posted by: ockham | Sep 18 2025 20:25 utc | 94

I doubt the US cares about this development. The Jews who run the US and Israel are focused on creating Greater Israel.

Posted by: My Comment | Sep 18 2025 20:41 utc | 95

Posted by: ockham | Sep 18 2025 20:25 utc | 94
I believe South Africa ended up inheriting nuclear technology from the nazis. They also bought the Fischer-Tropsch from Germany (developed in pre-nazi Germany and adapted during second war), which was a method of turning coal-to-liquid fuels. That is why Sasol is currently the only company to use Fischer-Tropsch besides Royal Dutch Shell’s Qatar GTL plant.

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 18 2025 20:56 utc | 96

Somebody mentioned in another thread (forget who and which one, apols), ut it is well worth a watch, the guy us a bit disjointed and melodramatic but has some great info:
Israel Has Trump & US Govt CAPTIVE Via Epstein Blackmail- Israeli Ex-Intel Officer Ari Ben-Menashe

Posted by: ChatNPC | Sep 18 2025 21:02 utc | 97

@karlof1 | Sep 18 2025 19:05 utc | 89

I find it curious that so many took Trump at his word that he was “disappointed” at the strike while ignoring that what disappointed him was the failure to assassinate Hamas’s negotiators.

Indeed, the quota for coincidences was exhausted long ago.

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 18 2025 21:20 utc | 98

The timing, right after the Arab/Islamic Summit, and the unity announcement made after the summit(in response to Doha attack), bodes well for the whole region. they’re gonna need that to fight off the impending ‘greater israel’.

Posted by: annie | Sep 18 2025 21:30 utc | 99

This pact is a measure of how far the US has fallen in international esteem; nations that have points of serious contention between themselves are willing to align with each other, rather than trust in the dubious “protection” of a Zionist-controlled “Land Of The Free”, including being ripped off by buying expensive and largely dysfunctional weapon systems, that are in limited supply anyway.
The US hegemony is exposed as a paper tiger; Frank Zappa’s brick wall at the back of the theatre turns out to be papier-maché painted to look like bricks.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Sep 18 2025 21:54 utc | 100