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September 4, 2025
Palestine Open Thread 2025-202

News & views related to the war in Palestine …

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Posted by: Effete | Sep 6 2025 17:03 utc | 100
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Well said.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 6 2025 17:14 utc | 101

https://x.com/doctor_rahmeh/status/1961553645587034337
Dr Rahmeh Aladwan @doctor_rahmeh
GLORY TO THE PALESTINIAN ARMED RESISTANCE.
THE BRAVEST MEN ON EARTH.
https://x.com/RickyHale_/status/1961534146263879779
Ricky Hale @RickyHale_
I don’t know about you, but I don’t live in fear about what Iran is going to do next, or Yemen, or Venezuela, or North Korea, or China, or any other country we’re supposed to hate, but every day I wake up worrying what crazy evil thing Israel is going to do next.
https://x.com/NateB_Panic/status/1964282048345956774
Nate Bear @NateB_Panic
Just checked liberal media coverage of Trump’s extrajudicial execution of eleven Venezuelans in international waters, and from The Guardian to CNN to the New York Times, not one of them told their readers that the attack was entirely illegal under international law
No one quoted in their stories suggested that as the US military was following the boat they could have just arrested them when they entered US waters. No outrage at all. Just total normalisation of murder and breakdown of international law.

Posted by: michaelj72 | Sep 6 2025 17:18 utc | 102

Gaza’s not a bug but a feature:
https://youtu.be/TI33wdS81tw?si=L9MF8Y2fVh0MiBSQ

Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Sep 6 2025 17:35 utc | 103

Israel has Corrupted America.
Political Assassinations, Open War Crimes,Extrajudicial Murders,the Torture of political prisoners. ALL normalized by the “Chosen”.
When I compare the Open and Clear explanations given by Ansar Allah about their objectives with the Lies and Distortions of the US and Israel I feel almost physically Ill knowing I am a citizen of the US and indirectly give aid to these Crimes. However unwillingly.
War is a Great Evil.
Watching a strong force MASSACRE children is worse.
Godspeed to the Heroes of Yemen.
Make the Chosen Howl.

Posted by: Effete | Sep 6 2025 17:41 utc | 104

Just checked liberal media coverage of Trump’s extrajudicial execution of eleven Venezuelans in international waters, and from The Guardian to CNN to the New York Times, not one of them told their readers that the attack was entirely illegal under international law
Posted by: michaelj72 | Sep 6 2025 17:18 utc | 102
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Not only that, but it appears the boat was traveling to Trinidad. That was according to Marco Rubio, before Trump changed the story and said the boat was headed to Florida.
Rubio remarks to the press 9/2/25:

[…] QUESTION:  What types of drugs were on board?  Can you tell us, is it —
SECRETARY RUBIO:  Again, look, I’m not trying to be evasive.  I’ll let the Pentagon answer that.  Suffice it to say that the President is going to be on offense against drug cartels and drug trafficking into the United States.  It destabilizes not just the country but the entire Caribbean Basin.  These particular drugs were probably headed to Trinidad or some other country in the Caribbean, at which point they just contribute to the instability these countries are facing.
So the President has been very clear that he is going to use the full power of America, the full might of the United States, to take on and eradicate these drug cartels no matter where they’re operating from and no matter how long they have been able to act with impunity.  Those days are over.
QUESTION:  Will you take out the Maduro regime?
QUESTION:  Mr. Secretary, what is the legal authority for this strike?
SECRETARY RUBIO:  The legal authority? 
QUESTION:  Yeah.
SECRETARY RUBIO:  Well look, again, I’m not going to answer for the White House Counsel.  Suffice it to say that all of those steps were taken in advance.  The President has designated these as terrorist organizations, which is what they are.  When you flood American streets with drugs, you are terrorizing America, and that’s going to end.
QUESTION:  Will you act on Venezuelan soil against the Maduro regime?
SECRETARY RUBIO:  Well, this is a counterdrug operation and we’re going to take on drug cartels wherever they are and wherever they’re operating against the interest of the United States.  The President’s top obligation is to secure the national interest and the national security of our people.  I know of no president that means that more than this one – our President now, President Trump.  And so, but we’ll – I’m not going to speculate about what might come down the road. 
Let’s get in the air, guys.  Thank you.
“>https://www.state.gov/releases/office-of-the-spokesperson/2025/09/secretary-of-state-marco-rubio-remarks-to-press

Even the Prime Minister of Trinidad thought the boat was headed her way and thanked Trump for bombing it. (She’s pretty vicious about the drug problem in her country).

From 9/3/25:PORT-OF-SPAIN, Trinidad (AP) — Trinidad and Tobago’s Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar praised a U.S. strike on a boat suspected of carrying drugs in the southern Caribbean and said that all traffickers should be killed “violently.”
U.S. President Donald Trump said Tuesday that 11 people were killed aboard the boat that had departed Venezuela, which is located near Trinidad and Tobago.
“I, along with most of the country, am happy that the U.S. naval deployment is having success in their mission,” Persad-Bissessar said in a statement late Tuesday. “The pain and suffering the cartels have inflicted on our nation is immense. I have no sympathy for traffickers; the U.S. military should kill them all violently.” […]
“>https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/trinidad-and-tobago-pm-celebrates-caribbean-strike-and-says-u-s-should-kill-all-drug-traffickers-violently

Posted by: teri | Sep 6 2025 17:50 utc | 105

Israel has Corrupted America.
Political Assassinations, Open War Crimes,Extrajudicial Murders,the Torture of political prisoners. ALL normalized by the “Chosen”.
Posted by: Effete | Sep 6 2025 17:41 utc | 104
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America was already like that. It didn’t need Zionism to corrupt it.

Posted by: malenkov | Sep 6 2025 17:57 utc | 106

Probably true.
Israel has made us Proud of it though.
That’s the corruption. Before the scummy little Squatter Colony the US was sheepish about our Crimes. We tried to hide them, especially from people at home.
They have shown us that Open murder with a happy face on it is just what America needs to be Great…Again.
Trump is the American Bibi. Right down to the self serving need for adulation.
I hope both Choke in their own Vomit.
Preferably on live TV.

Posted by: Effete | Sep 6 2025 18:24 utc | 107

https://x.com/freedomrideblog/status/1964049842969178129
Margaret Kimberley @freedomrideblog
North Korea is portrayed as being the worst country on earth. So much so that every atrocity is referred to as being “like North Korea.”
But who bombs hospitals and uses starvation as a weapon? I suggest we describe evil doing as being “like Israel.”
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https://x.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/1964318984620195849
Max Blumenthal @MaxBlumenthal
British police will spend all day arresting people for simply declaring their support for an antiwar group that has been branded a terrorist org
You’re simply not allowed to oppose Israel’s genocide in any meaningful way in Starmer’s UK
https://x.com/DefendourJuries/status/1964308873927327928
Defend Our Juries @DefendourJuries
BREAKING: Police start to arrest protestors under the Terrorism Act for holding signs which say “I oppose genocide. I support Palestine Action”
Over a thousand people are risking arrest today, despite the state’s best efforts to deter us.

Posted by: michaelj72 | Sep 6 2025 18:57 utc | 108

“The Israeli occupation army has allocated 43 km2 to confine more than 1.5 million Palestinians” (Ayman Hanideq)
That is 35,000 per km sq
That is 90,500 per Mile sq
New York 27,000 per Mile sq
Manila (highest density) 120,000 per Mile sq
https://history.howstuffworks.com/world-history/most-densely-populated-city.htm
Those cities are full of high rise.
For gaza, it creates a 43 km2 camp with each ‘inmate’ spaced 5 meters apart roughly.
How are they going to keep order of 1.5 million (possibly resentful) people packed into a small area.
Sanitation for that size population ?
In other words, it does not seem to add up.

Posted by: Ornot | Sep 6 2025 20:30 utc | 109

September 3, 2025
In Blog
Here’s the translation of the speech of one of the dockworker’s leaders in Genoa, before the departure of the ships of the Global Sumud Flotilla. “I want this to be clear to everyone — really to everyone: around mid-September these boats will arrive near the coast of Gaza, close to the critical zone. If we lose contact with our boats, with our comrades, even for just twenty minutes, we will block all of Europe. I’ve written it down so I won’t forget it. Together with our union, together with all the dockworkers who stand with us, together with the whole city of Genoa… from this region 13–14 thousand containers leave every year for Israel, not a single nail will leave anymore. We will launch an international strike, we will block the roads, we will block the schools, we will block everything. Our young women and men must come back without a scratch, and all this cargo, which belongs to the people and is going to the people, must reach its destination, down to the very last box. That’s all I have to Say .
I saw this on normanfinkelstein.com and I was thrilled. The great thing about this is that if Israel attacks the flotilla, as it has others, there will be no more shipping from this port. Not one fucking nail! I think this will spread because it bypasses all those whores in govt.

Posted by: Space Cowboy | Sep 6 2025 20:37 utc | 110

It’s not meant to.
It’s meant to create conditions that lead to Death for the people in them.
Genocide without having to do much of anything.
Israel is a Sick Society.

Posted by: Effete | Sep 6 2025 20:37 utc | 111

This was In the occupied West Bank:
Tweet:
Al-Muraba’ah checkpoint, south of Nablus. A resident of the village Urif, Ahmed Abd al-Fatah Shehadeh, 57, threw a water bottle on the road and was shot dead by soldiers.
Soldiers killed a 57-year-old Palestinian who threw a water bottle on the ground.
Soldiers killed a Palestinian.
Soldiers killed.
https://x.com/Mistaclim/status/1964384172669124702

Posted by: teri | Sep 6 2025 21:13 utc | 112

We areally exasperated by the Bizarre, pointless , Israeli genocide. I think the purpose of the genocide is mostly to shock the world, and while we are shocked, Divise and Rule us.
What I notice is that everybody responds to the utter pointlessness of killing millions of innocent people using their own favourite coping mechanisms. And the result of each of us coping in different ways is that other peoples’ poinless coping mechanisms are stressing out our own coping mechanisms to the point of crisis.
Trump is coping by turning a catastrophe into a building development; Muslims rally to their aspects of Islam, none of which addresses the actual problem of Jewish insanity. I think that even Jewish insanity might be caused by the enormity of AI and Metadata that has cancelled our blanket of privacy.
Yesterday I went to a place in Shrophire where the is no GPS and no internet. My sister has gone to the middle of Romania without a mobile of any sort.
It’s possible that , like mice that become more alert when being subjected to high frequency sounds, we are all being somehow being driven crazy by Big Brother’s relentless nosiness.

Posted by: Giyane | Sep 6 2025 21:34 utc | 113

Today I applied for a DBS, a police checking system needed for working near children. Is there no requirement for Israeli government officials to have a safety pass? The small print of my application said they could take information about me and share information about me without my consent.
It appears that Israel has wai ed all checks on staff decency and given special treatment and privileges to psychopaths.

Posted by: Giyane | Sep 6 2025 21:42 utc | 114

Trump is coping by turning a catastrophe into a building development…
Giyane | Sep 6 2025 21:34 utc | 113
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I get what you are saying Giyane, except for the part about Trump. He is not coping. He has always seen Palestine as a building development opportunity. He was talking about using the Gaza Strip as his own property since before he even took office this time. And the Abraham Accords dismiss Palestinians altogether, whether in the Strip or in the West Bank. The Palestinians mean nothing to Trump, nor do they mean anything to most Iraelis and most American politicians either. And none of these people see this genocide as a “catastrophe”.
Don’t ascribe “finding a coping mechanism” to what is simply severe inhuman cruelty and malice.

Posted by: teri | Sep 6 2025 22:21 utc | 115

I should have said all respects and kudos to Paola Mossetti and the Genoa dockworkers. They get my vote for the Nobel Peace Prize.

Posted by: Space Cowboy | Sep 6 2025 22:26 utc | 116

@Giyane
“….we are all being somehow being driven crazy by Big Brother’s relentless nosiness”
Compartmentalised, we have the data points and though we have never met you, we know who you are, we know what you think, you serve us your reflection and we show it to you, the mirror of your vanity, the pool of your necessity.
But…I was thinking @113 also yesterday, how each side views the circumstance distinctly. The US president is convinced it’s a sell, the answer to a miserable history which wasn’t, except for having made it an atrocious one , Uncle Adolph goes full dom while some here are convinced it’s whites, and if not supremacists, and if not then imperialist capitalists, in short The British. Whites appear to have left the decent part of themselves back in Africa, maybe they will come to find it, to take it back, eh ? And the European Right, they are so anti-Nazi that they have to embrace Zionism. The left left, somewhere along the line, liberalated maybe, the few still holding ground carrying the weight of the world . The Germans are disciplined about it all, sorry, are being disciplined about it all, because. The Arabs are negotiating after the contract, while the US is trying to convince they have signed. And on and on ….
But…nothing is as it appears, what happens tomorrow is a new world, there is only that, and it overtakes the rest, every time. The tapestry we weave for ourselves undoes faster than it can be woven, and why are we weaving when we know it cannot be finished, anyway ?
Such are the mysteries we are presented or subjected to.

Posted by: Ornot | Sep 6 2025 22:43 utc | 117

Trump is a Monster in human form. He isn’t fit to lick Yahya Saree’s boots.
None of the Israeli leadership are.
Yemen is the only country standing up.
How the Hell is that Possible?
Bombed and Sanctioned for Years,their people starved and denied basic necessities, they Stand and Fight.
It’s Humbling to watch.
Moral Courage like That is Inspiring.
They give Hope for Humanity.
Sometimes Hope comes from the least likely sources.
Courage is Contagious.

Posted by: Effete | Sep 6 2025 22:48 utc | 118

Trump is a Monster in human form. He isn’t fit to lick Yahya Saree’s boots.
None of the Israeli leadership are.
Yemen is the only country standing up.
How the Hell is that Possible?
Bombed and Sanctioned for Years,their people starved and denied basic necessities, they Stand and Fight.
It’s Humbling to watch.
Moral Courage like That is Inspiring.
They give Hope for Humanity.
Sometimes Hope comes from the least likely sources.
Courage is Contagious.

Posted by: Effete | Sep 6 2025 22:48 utc | 119

Starmer’s Irish “Terrorists” …. who won’t stay silent …
Kneecap Live Glastonbury 2025
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4N9KLVdHVTk [9 mins & not the BBC

Posted by: Don Firineach | Sep 6 2025 23:02 utc | 120

UN to move General Assembly out of US to defy Trump’s visa ban on Palestinians? | Janta Ka Reporter?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5OfoCP-Cqg [ 12 mins

Posted by: Don Firineach | Sep 6 2025 23:12 utc | 121

Mahmoud Fanana
“Here in North Gaza, people are confused about displacement and other issues.
Will we be displaced or what?
Will we leave North Gaza?
May God bless you.
No one who has been displaced in the land of Gaza hopes for relief.”

Posted by: Ornot | Sep 6 2025 23:32 utc | 122

We areally exasperated by the Bizarre, pointless , Israeli genocide. I think the purpose of the genocide is mostly to shock the world, and while we are shocked, Divise and Rule us.
Posted by: Giyane | Sep 6 2025 21:34 utc | 113
I think that was a theory put forward by one of the esteemed commentators on YouTube, perhaps Alistair Crooke.
The problem with this theory is that it is nothing new and its end state is known: Blowback and collapse.
All the empires from the Romans to the Mongols and the British after played the “Atrocity Game”.
Shock and Awe.
Divide and Conquer.
In doing so they set in motion the sequence of cause and effect which led to their collapse.
Each horrific act from Boudicca to Mai Lai chipped away at the edges of Empire, contributing to its final collapse.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 6 2025 23:35 utc | 123

@123 Arch
This is a reply to I don’t know who, that I didn’t post a while back :-/ , because it was too vague really, easily contestable, but as it covers what you are talking about I just post it as a contemplation :
I think it was John who posted an article on the ways that might be used to try to brush over events.
The result though would be a ‘class’ that believed that, another that unhappily ignored the attempt, and one that objected.
One result that did surprise me was Iraq, that somehow the US managed to balance out (as much against the other) the various factions and maintain a form of cohesion for so long. Maybe it was an experiment or test ground for that, although the same approach or techniques are used to shape and sequence international direction.
Sometimes I have the impression that the middle east is being prepared as center of next empire, US would be relegated (europe is an existing example of that) … but with neoEU having related ambitions and fitting in as possible.
The objectives currently being set (Riviera, greater “Israel” etc.) are so high as to be a mockery, must be taken for deception except it is clear they would be implemented if circumstance permitted.
That is to say the middle line is likely to be to collapse the pre-existing contests in the region and create a more western orientated or globalised ‘levelness’ there, where re-arrangement and opportunities suffocate resistance, and provide a surviving position for the US via “Israel” and increased regional hegemony.
This fits with a UN/European mandate of events also, which is ‘more moderate’ , i.e. (eventual recognition of Palestine and ‘humanitarian concerns’ and so on) . It is visible in the gradual cessation of contest in Lebanon and Syria for example. All of these territorial gains and disarmaments, are not likely to be won back for a long time on current trajectory.
As pointed out, and by Laguerre also, the extremes of an extended conquest of the region, or even of Gaza, are not realistic.
Addendum:
Note european stance vs US/”Israel” is becoming more entrenched, with the latter probably aiming for full annexation vs. recognition of some kind of Palestine state. Maybe the UN will just lose, or is programmed to. Whichever, this sort of contest will likely shape/lead western politics, and how ‘world order’ rearranges in future.

Posted by: Ornot | Sep 7 2025 0:13 utc | 124

Thank you b., did you see warnings about type pad regarding end of September?
Thank you to all honest pro palestinian barflies, you are contributing for the truth, ethically.
I now work a lot with my hands in wood etc.,and although I have graduated from 2 universities I find happiness doing this work.
At the end of a day I am mostly spent and reading the comments in retrograde, as fast as i can. It has the benefit of really understanding most of the posters and those who have zio agenda come out very clearly for me.
Two come out most prominently as hasbara agents, Canuck the islam hater with all the obvious lies and Gyanne the false revert- MI6 obviously. Fantastic English language and mumble jumble about Islam.
In service of the zio agenda, both.
NB: I was born a Muslim in my Yugoslavia, and I have chosen to be secular when in adulthood. Respecting all true religions, but seeing the lies in performance. I have read Kur’an ( most of it, as Bible ) and am fluent in Arabic, lived in MEast for 20 years, before the disaster.
If I had any religion-belief I would say I am animist, believing that all the creatures have a soul.Not to be harmed.EVER.I honestly could not hurt an ant, but gladly will beat up the zios of wasrael or usa.As they have no soul.
Canuck of Wikipedia, your bullshit zio agenda is obvious. You have been warned, as is Gyane, you are outed.

Posted by: stranger | Sep 7 2025 1:06 utc | 125

Sometimes I have the impression that the middle east is being prepared as center of next empire, US would be relegated (europe is an existing example of that) … but with neoEU having related ambitions and fitting in as possible.
Posted by: Ornot | Sep 7 2025 0:13 utc | 124
Pax Judaica is the objective, as described by Sheikh Imran Hossein. Pax Americana will be subsumed by Pax Zionica.
In fact, it already is.
Mosaic warfare is the means, planned well in advance.
Note: Google mosaic warfare. The definition has been sanitised over the decades. It’s now a tech centric definition.
But the original definition was centered around dicing the world up into constantly warring territories, which the USA would fuel with destabilisation to sustain long term control over the earth.
Divide and Conquer. The divine tool of empire.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 7 2025 2:09 utc | 126

Arch Bungle 123
‘All the empires from the Romans to the Mongols and the British after played the “Atrocity Game”.’
Yes, the racism that fuels ‘atrocity’ is eventually answered by counter-racism.
The Jews are playing out counter-racism against two millennia of Antisemitism.
My Pakistani neighbours are being complete bastards at the moment, and have gone into all out anti-British mode, and see HTS and its genociding of non-Muslims as the Real Islam.
I think I might have to move away because they are become more and more like Likud every day.
Steam pressure can explode a pressure cooker and with Pakistanis it’s 250 years of British , racist atrocities, waiting to explode.

Posted by: Giyane | Sep 7 2025 2:52 utc | 127

stranger 125
Bolshevic, Communist Jews destroyed your country’s religions. Don’t make me a scapegoat for Al Qaeda trying to restore them by force. USUK used the jihadists to defeat the Soviet Union , which was probably necessary anyway. But I take no blame nor credit for what USUK or Al Qaeda did.
Al Qaeda is no longer a religious outfit today, but part of the blob of Bonkers Alt-Capitalism called USUKIS, a business , and part of the Neo-Colonialist, Empire2, Globalist , Axis of Evil, like Communism before it.
Like Communism before it, it will be destroyed. Again , nothing to do with me.

Posted by: Giyane | Sep 7 2025 3:10 utc | 128

🚨🇺🇸🇾🇪 BREAKING: Microsoft reports that MULTIPLE INTERNATIONAL SUBSEA CABLES have been CUT in the RED SEA
Yemen’s ANSAR ALLAH previously warned they would do this if ILLEGAL BOMBINGS continued

https://x.com/jacksonhinklle/status/1964420855985033495
The resistance has endless Imperial targets to choose from.
The “big guy” always has a lot of vulnerabilities and things to lose.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 7 2025 3:27 utc | 129

That is the nature of asymmetry.
Low cost, high impact.
The opposite of how the West does things, high cost, low impact.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 7 2025 3:28 utc | 130

127, 128
The British are clever, they have diverted 2 millennia of Jewish rage at Western Antisemitism onto the innocents of greater Palestine Sham.
And they have diverted 300 years of Asian rage at Western genocide in Asia onto the innocents of Greater Palestine, Sham.
USUKIS is completely mad to think that diverting Jewish and Asian rage onto the West Asians is going to solve the problem of Western , Roman , iniquity.
The West needs to embrace Islam, the religion of Jesus AS, for its own happiness, and stop trying to create sectarian diversions in Asia like Palestine and China.
You can fool some of the people, some of the time. The only way the West can heal itself is to embrace Islam.

Posted by: Giyane | Sep 7 2025 3:38 utc | 131

130. Minimally lethal but effective.
Not about body count. That’s a Western thing.
Results.
Cutting undersea cables does more effective damage than terror killings.
Break their Improvements.
Disrupt their trade networks.
Cost them Money.
Jews Hate That.

Posted by: Effete | Sep 7 2025 3:50 utc | 132

see the photo at the first link
see the 18-second video at the second/third link
https://x.com/mhdksafa/status/1963985100116304216
Mohamad Safa @mhdksafa
This photo needs to be the front page of every news paper in the world.
This is Gaza now. This is terrorism.
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https://x.com/caitoz/status/1964457887696290204
Caitlin Johnstone @caitoz
I used to think a terrorist looks like a deranged maniac killing large numbers of civilians. Now I know a terrorist actually looks like a woman in a wheelchair holding a piece of cardboard with forbidden words written on it.
https://x.com/DefendourJuries/status/1964435336966394080
Defend Our Juries @DefendourJuries
BREAKING: A wheelchair user arrested under the Terrorism Act for holding a sign which read “I oppose genocide. I support Palestine Action”
The Palestine Action ban is backfiring on the government. Now Yvette Cooper is no longer Home Secretary, the ban must go with her.

Posted by: michaelj72 | Sep 7 2025 5:55 utc | 133

The British are clever, they have diverted 2 millennia of Jewish rage at Western Antisemitism onto the innocents of greater Palestine Sham.
And they have diverted 300 years of Asian rage at Western genocide in Asia onto the innocents of Greater Palestine, Sham.
Posted by: Giyane | Sep 7 2025 3:38 utc | 131

And now you see with eye serene
The very pulse of the machine;

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 7 2025 6:30 utc | 134