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I wonder if the Europeans will be stupid enough to attack Belarus. First France telling its hospitals to prepare for casualties then Germany doing the same, then the propaganda about drones and airspace violations.
https://x.com/DougAMacgregor/status/1971453299875512321
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BREAKING: Poland urges any and all citizens in Belarus to immediately leave by any means necessary.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 26 2025 8:06 utc | 201
George the Zeroth | Sep 26 2025 3:46 utc | 195
Well you certainly have TDS. You clowns are a waste of time.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 26 2025 8:10 utc | 202
A couple of “he blinked” anecdotes of Erika Kirk, for comparison. This one appeared in an “emotional” NYT interview:
His eyes were semi-open and he had this knowing, Mona Lisa-like half-smile. Like he’d died happy. Like Jesus rescued him. The bullet came, he blinked, and he was in heaven.
A few days later, from the podium of a memorial thoroughly draped in glitz:
I also saw on his lips the faintest smile, and that told me something important. It revealed to me a great mercy from God in this tragedy. When I saw that, it told me Charlie didn’t suffer. Even the doctor told me it was something so instant that even if Charlie had been shot in the operating room itself, nothing could have been done. There was no fear, no agony. One moment, Charlie was doing what he loved, arguing and debating on campus, fighting for the gospel, the truth in front of a big crowd, and then he blinked. He blinked and saw his Savior in paradise, and all the heavenly mysteries were revealed to him.
Erika consoles herself that her friends and associates, Charlie’s assassins inside TPUSA, did such a painless, professional job.
Posted by: Aleph_Null | Sep 26 2025 8:43 utc | 203
OK, fine. But what about those fleeing unsafe countries?
Surely you’re not against protections for such people?
Posted by: George the Zeroth | Sep 25 2025 23:42 utc | 182
Firstly, a lot of those claiming to be from unsafe countries are not in fact, they are just saying that and have no way to prove it.
Secondly, many of those unsafe countries are the result of Western interventions – we can stop doing that straight away.
Thirdly, the protections have been massively expanded by ostensibly well-meaning groups placing far too many obligations on the receiving countries – so much s that they are advantaged over and above the indigenous citizens.
Fourthly, mass immigration is about cheap labour. Always has been, always will be. All of these legal constraints are created by our lawmakers – lawmakers highly susceptible to lobbying from the oligarch class.
Those laws can and must be remade if the current elites wish to retain their status.
Some might claim that my first three points are an unfortunate confluence of circumstances, others might see point four as the driver for the ‘coincidental’ effects of the first three. Either way it is becoming unsustainable.
Posted by: ChatNPC | Sep 26 2025 9:00 utc | 204
ChatNPC (180).
Its just another layer of control, they already know all about us via a driving licence, and a NI number, once you introduce an ID card where does it end?
There’s already a petition against it.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/730194
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Sep 26 2025 9:04 utc | 205
Republicofscotland | Sep 26 2025 9:04 utc | 205
Thanks, looks like it’ll reach 1 Million in a hour or so. (Though million march didn’t stop Iraq war)…I’ve the foggy recollection the MO is to close & pull the plug once petitions reach serious numbers?
It’ll be interesting who speaks “against the motion” and the arguments for the security of apple/android platforms after phone hacks or US NY near UN building spoofing network just exposed by Secret Service.
Posted by: Mercury | Sep 26 2025 10:29 utc | 206
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Sep 26 2025 9:04 utc | 205
They can do shit like this:
Digital ID: Vietnam to delete 86 MILLION “unverified” bank accounts
Instant unpersoning. Add in super-awesome, super-reliable AI and it will be like the movie Brazil
Posted by: ChatNPC | Sep 26 2025 10:58 utc | 207
George the Zeroth @187:
I will concede that, so far as I can tell, the latter condition—supporting Trump’s policies—does not necessarily make one “MAGA” (or should that be “a MAGA? I’m not clear on that fine point). In other words, “MAGA” is the obverse of “TDS”, both of them being fairly meaningless insults often slung around in Intertube discussions such as occur here at the bar. So I’m going to avoid the use of “MAGA” here.
“MAGA is the obverse of TDS”
I have pointed out repeatedly that TDS is a mental disorder, so what does this mean? That “a MAGA” is a model of cognitive and emotional health?
“I’m not clear on that fine point”
You’re the one who used the term, but then you have a mental disorder so using terms you are not clear on comes with the territory, I suppose. You are the victim of a media-implanted program running in your head like a computer virus, and it causes you to feel and say things you don’t understand. That is a mental illness exactly like a biological virus could cause a physical illness.
“…both of them being fairly meaningless insults…”
So you use “MAGA” as a meaningless insult, which is exactly what I pointed out that a TDS victim would do. TDS, on the other hand, is not a meaningless insult. I have defined it repeatedly; detailed its origins, enumerated is symptoms, and provided copious examples in this thread and over the months since the disease has become an obvious culture-wide phenomenon. You have admitted that you cannot define what “a MAGA” is or sounds like yet you use the term as a pejorative anyway. Is that rational? No, it is not rational and is an indication that you are not in control of your own mind. Your mind is under the control of an outside influence (mass media implanted mind virus – mass marketing induced megatrend, like pet rocks or Beanie Babies, only more sinister and political).
TDS is a Mass Psychogenic Illness, exactly like hysteria over witches in prior times with the main difference being in the method of transmission. While the witch hysterias were propagated from preacher’s pulpits, the transmission of TDS is greatly modernized and is distributed through multiple channels, or vectors. All forms of corporate media, from talk shows to movies to music to social media astroturf to legacy newspapers to university classrooms and workplace training seminars take part in infecting the population with TDS. This is also why TDS is more prevalent among demographics that are more credulous of mass media, are more likely to have jobs in workplaces hosting seminars aimed at modifying behavior, and have more recent university indoctrination. Furthermore, this is also why we have seen budget-breaking pushback against entertainment media with heavy-handed “woke” messaging in recent years, with Disney and the Beeb being heavily hit and monster budget AAA game studios closing down (Sony is taking a thrashing since moving their media headquarters to California).
Aside: “woke” and “Trump Derangement Syndrome” are intertwined as both are products and consequences of interlinked delusion.
“So I’m going to avoid the use of “MAGA” here”
Need I remind you you’re the one who invoked the term? And you admitted you used it as a meaningless insult? Your tribal affiliations are thus clear, and your mental condition is understood.
Posted by: William Gruff | Sep 26 2025 11:17 utc | 208
First paragraph above is supposed to be blockquote. Blockquote is broken?
Posted by: William Gruff | Sep 26 2025 11:19 utc | 209
George the Zeroth @187:
I will concede that, so far as I can tell, the latter condition—supporting Trump’s policies—does not necessarily make one “MAGA” (or should that be “a MAGA? I’m not clear on that fine point). In other words, “MAGA” is the obverse of “TDS”, both of them being fairly meaningless insults often slung around in Intertube discussions such as occur here at the bar. So I’m going to avoid the use of “MAGA” here.
“MAGA is the obverse of TDS”
tesing blockquote
Posted by: William Gruff | Sep 26 2025 11:20 utc | 210
“Anyway, MAGA people and TDS victims are not Manichean opposites. They are completely orthogonal.”
The Manichean opposites (light/god and darkness) are completely orthogonal. Unlike monotheistic conceptions of good vs. evil this does not produce the theodicity problem.
Posted by: persiflo | Sep 26 2025 11:27 utc | 211
how would it be possible to synchronize two people so that their shots would happen exactly at the same moment? And would people in the immediate vicinity of the victim not notice anything?
Posted by: fanto | Sep 26 2025 2:35 utc | 190
Electric signal circuits are super fast. The initiator would trigger both, likely via radio control.
Posted by: persiflo | Sep 26 2025 11:36 utc | 212
”The Manichean opposites (light/god and darkness) are completely orthogonal.”
No, they are opposites, as is stated by the word ”opposite. They are on different ends of the same spectrum. Orthogonal means they are not related. Apples vs orangutans.
Posted by: William Gruff | Sep 26 2025 12:08 utc | 213
Macron, Javier and Gianni Infantino (FIFA president) are given the “Global Citizen Award” by their boss, BlackRock CEO Laurence Fink.
Here, “Citizen” does not mean us plebs or joe-public, but vassals / servants of power.
The 2025 Global Citizen Awards: Honoring three leaders shaping the global future
https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/new-atlanticist/the-2025-global-citizen-awards-honoring-three-leaders-shaping-the-global-future/
“From the first step on the red carpet to the final note of the closing performance, the 2025 Global Citizen Awards lit up New York on Wednesday night as the must-attend event of the week. Some seven hundred leaders, dignitaries, changemakers, and celebrities filled the Ziegfeld Ballroom in Midtown Manhattan for the Atlantic Council’s flagship annual event on the sidelines of the United Nations General Assembly.
The point of the evening, Atlantic Council Chairman John F.W. Rogers explained, was to recognize and honor three global leaders “who have taken up the call to serve a purpose greater than oneself.” Those honorees were Fédération Internationale de Football Association (FIFA) President Gianni Infantino, Argentinian President Javier Milei, and French President Emmanuel Macron. Each one, Rogers said, exemplifies a dedication to duty, and the character and contributions of each have “transcended the obligations of their own circumstances.” “
Posted by: Friend_of_MLK | Sep 26 2025 12:15 utc | 214
Australia’s political class has been all but sold-out to foreign capital and empire for many years. The Liberals (equivalent to Tories/Republicans in other lands) have always been keen to please the empires masters in the UK and USA since their inception. However, the current opposition leader, Sussan Ley takes it to a new low of prostration.
Ley writes to Republicans vowing to revoke Palestine recognition ahead of Albanese’s UN address.
By political reporter Jake Evans, Mon 22 Sep
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-09-22/albanese-un-palestine-address-ley-republican-letter/105803078
“Opposition Leader Sussan Ley has taken the unorthodox step of writing to United States Republicans to reassure the Congress members that a Coalition government would withdraw recognition of a Palestinian state.
The letter was dispatched ahead of a major address by Prime Minister Anthony Albanese to the United Nations, where he told the international community why Australia was recognising a Palestinian state.”
Posted by: Friend_of_MLK | Sep 26 2025 12:26 utc | 215
The Manichean opposites (light/god and darkness) are completely orthogonal. Unlike monotheistic conceptions of good vs. evil this does not produce the theodicity problem.
Posted by: persiflo
woher hast du dein Englisch gelernt ? Besser als Muttersprachlern. Hut Ab
Posted by: exile | Sep 26 2025 12:59 utc | 216
@209 william gruff
block quote isn’t working and neither the names on the right side of the homepage links to the actual post to take you to the specific posts either…. instead one has to scroll on the thread to find the post
attention b
see comments above on site improvement ideas.. thanks
Posted by: james | Sep 26 2025 13:08 utc | 217
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Posted by: William Gruff | Sep 26 2025 13:21 utc | 218
potus has just sanctioned the European Ryder Cup Team two holes per round …
Posted by: Don Firineach | Sep 26 2025 13:21 utc | 219
TDS, MAGA, Woke.
Woke and TDS more often than not go hand in hand. And anyone who does not believe in child grooming is MAGA.
Basically progressive vs conservative. In the US, conservatives could be split between the christian zionists and the non zionists.
Progressives though have taken on the gender religion. Several other aspects to it like unlimited and undocumented immigration. I guess the two go hand in hand as the progressives have virtually stopped breeding and would quickly die out so they need massive immigration to replace them.
I saw the fertility rate for women the other day and it is now 1.4. I guess a mathemation could work it out to what year the Aboriginals would again have Australia to themselves if not for constant and high immigration.
Progressive/woke, it is a death cult. Extinction of the species.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 26 2025 13:21 utc | 220
Friend_of_MLK | Sep 26 2025 12:26 utc | 215
Australian PM, same as Canada and NZ swear elegance to the English monarch when the are sworn in. I haven’t looked into it but I would assume many others would have swear an oath of allegiance to the crown.
The jerks should be swearing allegiance to the Australian people so they should all be shot as traitors. And with the legalized corruption, perhaps first cut the balls out for corruption before shooting them.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 26 2025 13:29 utc | 222
How long before the effects of this are felt?
Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 26 2025 4:30 utc | 196
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Markets “price” in new information immediately. They may not capture it accurately but changes like this have immediate effects on the margins.
The Chinese came for the factories and now, the whole economic system. Something changed in the last 3 months. They are being much more overtly direct.
No more meekness or hiding. The Dragon spreading its wings fully.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 26 2025 13:32 utc | 223
The Australian government gets a pat on the head from Ursula Always-a-lying for introducing age-verification for “social”-media platforms. aka submit your ID papers to post online please … to keep the children safe (unless the kids are in Gaza, etc).
Australia’s social media ban wins praise from Europe at UN event
By national political lead David Speers in New York, Wed 24 Sep
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-09-25/united-nations-general-assembly-social-media-ban/105814246
In short:
The mother of a teenager who died by suicide after being bullied online has spoken at an event in New York, where Australia’s plan for a social media age limit was presented to foreign leaders.
European Commission president Ursula von der Leyen praised Australia’s move as “plain common sense”.
What’s next?
The age limit takes effect in December. Prime Minister Anthony Albanese says the “legislation is where the world is going”.
Posted by: Friend_of_MLK | Sep 26 2025 13:33 utc | 224
Peter AU1 @220
The definition of conservative has become very broad, while the definition of progressive has become incredibly narrow. I know many people who identify as conservative who would have practically been socialists half a century ago. I would say contemporary conservatives are people who believe there is such a thing as objective reality, while modern progressives believe reality is conditional on their feelings.
Posted by: William Gruff | Sep 26 2025 13:36 utc | 225
@The Second Coming of PeterAU1
1.4!
!.4!
Time to get the lead out and declare a Republic Peadar!
Posted by: Don Firineach | Sep 26 2025 13:44 utc | 226
Friend_of_MLK | Sep 26 2025 13:33 utc | 224
When my children were very young, we had a tv. I worked ong hours and would come home and wife and kids were all glued to the tv. Effin zombies. Came home at 9pm one day, no meal kept war on the stove or ready to warm up and their eyeballs were stuck to the tv screen with superglue. Asked my wife to make me some dinner I had left at 5am – and she said hang on, I’ll just watch this. I pulled the plug out of the wall, swung the thing over my head by the cord and smashed it on the floor. After that the kids would be doing things, if daylight outside playing, building something, tree house or whatever, and after dark in the house playing or fighting and arguing or whatever but at least they were doing something.
My daughters daughter, if she wasn’t allowed to watch something on the phone would throw tantrums and carry. If daughter wanted to keep her occupied while doing something she would hand her daughter the phone.
That ban on kids on social media is a good thing. Children are completely different when there is no tv let alone todays social media. Like normal children. Are normal children.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 26 2025 13:48 utc | 227
DeChambeau/Thomas v Rahm/Hatton 2UP (12)
Scheffler/Henley v Fitzpatrick/Aberg 4Up (11)
English/Morikawa v McIlroy/Fleetwood 4Up (10)
1Up Cantlay/Schauffele v MacIntyre/Hovland (8)
Posted by: Don Firineach | Sep 26 2025 13:49 utc | 228
William Gruff | Sep 26 2025 13:36 utc | 225
Early revolution communism did I think come under the term progressive. Some of the theoretical in those times great leaps forward turned out to be Wiley E Coyote great leaps out over the canyon.
So you can have conservative socialist or conservative capitalists.
The progressives more often than not, are capitalist and often have few socialism policies. The might have welfare state to and extent, but to me a socialist government embarks on infrastructure build, nationalizing critical assets and that sort of thing, and that goes alongside and supports private enterprise.
Russia is conservative socialist and so is China. Providing work rather than the dole.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 26 2025 14:03 utc | 229
No, they are opposites, as is stated by the word ”opposite. They are on different ends of the same spectrum. Orthogonal means they are not related. Apples vs orangutans.
Posted by: William Gruff | Sep 26 2025 12:08 utc | 213
They are not on the same spectrum. I have no idea what kind of literature you read on the topic, but it clearly wasn’t the many meanderings about this topic I gave on MoA over the years.
Let’s shape the battlefield.
“Opposites” is common parlance and I suggest we leave it at that until the main issue is solved. Orthogonality transports the idea perfectly.
Literature about Manichaeism suffers from the fact that all seven books Mani wrote himself are lost, and it was not until the early 20th century that some text by actual disciples became available for scientific evaluation. This means that most of what you find in public is informed by earlier writings of Mani’s enemies, and they tend to misrepresent this crucial issue.
Because I am not an actual scholar in the field I may not have all the references handy, though of course I shall be obliged to dig them up when necessary.
Also, there is a dinner party at my home tonight, and people are already preparing the place, so my replies might lag for a bit (you are not invited, sorry about that).
Posted by: persiflo | Sep 26 2025 14:08 utc | 230
Don Firineach | Sep 26 2025 13:44 utc | 226
Well I’m not Irish, but if I was to have a flag, It would be a black flag with the silhouette of Ned Kelly in white lines, dressed in armour and overcoat and holding a rifle. A bit of a take off of the American proxies, ISIS and AQ and so forth.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 26 2025 14:08 utc | 231
woher hast du dein Englisch gelernt ? Besser als Muttersprachlern. Hut Ab
Posted by: exile | Sep 26 2025 12:59 utc | 216
Danke! I learned most of my english on MoA, although I’ve started using it immediately from when I first learned it in fifth grade, and I’ve always loved it for some reason. At some point I may work through a grammar again, as some of its mysteries still seem to elude me.
Posted by: persiflo | Sep 26 2025 14:20 utc | 232
@Peter AU1 | Sep 26 2025 14:08 utc | 231
Castle Hill convict rebellion
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_Hill_convict_rebellion
The Castle Hill Rebellion 1804: British vs Irish Convicts in Australia
Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tI-g74sfvak 20 mins
Posted by: Don Firineach | Sep 26 2025 14:20 utc | 233
persiflo @230:
Google’s AI may be artificially dumb, but your dumbness is apparently all-natural:
AI Overview
In the context of its meaning, the adjective “Manichean” refers to opposites, not things that are orthogonal. Orthogonal describes things that are independent or at a right angle to each other, while Manicheanism describes a conflict between two equal and opposite forces.
(another blockquote test)
Maybe you are not good at math and that is why the concept of orthogonality means something more like opposite to you.
Posted by: William Gruff | Sep 26 2025 14:25 utc | 234
An Essay on Xi Jinping’s Global Governance Initiative
Washington, London, Paris, and Brussels strutted the world like schoolyard bullies, throwing threats and insults around. They gave themselves the authority to determine who must rule one country or the order. Their cries of “Assad must go!” “Gaddafi must go!” rent the air. The arrogance!
The crowning insult was the hubris of the so-called “unipolar moment”—the fantasy that the United States could reign supreme forever. Analysts with foresight like my favorite military strategy guru, Russian-born Andrei Martyanov, wrote four books and numerous blog posts to warn his adopted country, the US, that it was losing the military to the Russians. Of course, US Army Generals with their chests puffing with medals won from “victories” over inferior third-world armies paid no attention.
That arrogance has now detonated in their faces over their misadventure in Ukraine where Russia, single-handedly, handed a humiliating defeat to the Collective West and its expeditionary force, NATO.
Read the full article here: https://open.substack.com/pub/femiakogun/p/an-essay-on-xi-jinpings-global-governance?r=3wwyw&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&showWelcomeOnShare=true
©️ Fẹ̀mi Akọ̀mọ̀làfẹ̀ (1st Dan)
Blog: https://femiakogun.substack.com
Posted by: Femi | Sep 26 2025 14:32 utc | 235
persiflo | Sep 26 2025 14:20 utc | 232
The opal cutting video I watch, his father came out from Germany in the 60s and went to the opal fields. I forget the exact wording he used one day, but something like German being a harsh or abrupt language compared to English.
I can’t even speak English properly let alone another language so I can have no opinion on it other offering what that bloke said.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 26 2025 14:33 utc | 236
ChatNPC | Sep 25 2025 23:15 utc | 180
*** It would seem a fairer, more targeted and cheaper solution than forcing ID cards onto the already valid citizens. ***
Indeed it would, but “illegal immigration” is just an excuse for forcing ID cards (physical or digital) on everyone — from the rise of Blair onwards, such imposition has been touted under a variety of excuses.
It would do near enough zero with regard to stopping illegal immigration, which is in any case facilitated by the Establishment’s own so-called intelligence services and profiteers for their own purposes.
Those who misrule never admit the real motive for wanting to introduce such ID-cards is enablement of digital-money / banking, more intensive surveillance and tracking, plus of course a ready means of punitive ‘cancellation’ of UK citizens.
Posted by: Cynic | Sep 26 2025 14:34 utc | 237
From Craig Murray’s blog, about the English PM’s ID cards.
“The government will be able to garner and centralise knowledge of everything about you. Every detail of your financial transactions, your DNA, your family, your medical records, your education, employment and accommodation. It will be a very short time before the digital ID is linked to your social media accounts and your IP access to monitor your browsing.
There is already the intention to control us through our access to financial services. I have spoken with one of the women charged for protesting outside the Leonardo factory in Edinburgh. She has had her bank accounts cancelled – simply losing the money in them – and cannot open a new account. You may recall they tried to debank Nigel Farage. The campaign to defend Julian Assange suffered multiple banking cancellations.
The desire of the state to control people politically through their ability to carry out ordinary transactions is not in doubt. It is demonstrated. Once you have a compulsory digital ID linked to transactions – which will follow very swiftly, I am quite certain – they will be able to simply switch off your ability to pay for anything. Add this to a digital currency which tracks all of your expenditure – all the key elements of which are already installed – and total control will be in place.”
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2025/09/what-fresh-hell-is-this/
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Sep 26 2025 14:39 utc | 238
C’mon, Gruff. You’re playing games with me.
In the context of its meaning, the adjective “Manichean” refers to opposites, not things that are orthogonal. Orthogonal describes things that are independent or at a right angle to each other, while Manicheanism describes a conflict between two equal and opposite forces.
Your AI search correctly refers to what is called pragmatic use of the term we are arguing about, but as I keep saying this is a misconception of Mani’s actual system. For someone who’s described himself as a linguist here before your attempt seems a bit unimaginative, unless you’re playing games.
Posted by: persiflo | Sep 26 2025 14:43 utc | 239
This looks like an internet-sleuth groundswell: people are increasingly convinced that we can see the murder weapon in the fatal freeze-frame: a little puff of smoke, right over Kirk’s lavalier lapel-microphone. Like much of what “Israel” does, the crime is so outlandish, so satanically ingenious, as to strain credulity. But at some point we’re forced to believe our eyes. We can’t think of another explanation for that little puff of smoke.
The Tyler Robinson rooftop sniper hoax is crumbling after video evidence showing Israel’s signature exploding lavalier mic blasting Charlie Kirk’s throat, with accomplices snatching the bomb and detonator like pros in a heist. These Mossad monsters, fresh off their pager terrorism, think they can off Americans and have our puppet FBI bury it like JFK—but we’re ripping the veil off this demonic plot, patriots, so lock and load for the truth bomb that’s going to make these pedo-perps pay.
Posted by: Aleph_Null | Sep 26 2025 14:45 utc | 240
>>> “bringing manufacturing and tech back to the US is virtually impossible. It would take several decades if possible at all.” <<
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 26 2025 3:08 utc | 192
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Goodness, I'll have to tell the boys that, when I visit a 21st century mfg facility in a couple hours, that it's impossible that they exist. And again when I meet at a 21st century product development center next week. Those boys will want to know, too. Good thing we got an absorber of Blob propaganda to educate us, huh?
Posted by: seer | Sep 26 2025 14:52 utc | 241
C’mon, persiflo. You’re being a pedantic jerk with me. What other use of the term but the “pragmatic”, or common, one would I use in a discussion that wasn’t about dancing angels and heads of pins? If you want to discuss the more subtle and ethereal points of an extinct fossil religion then fine, but otherwise let’s stick to common usage of the terms.
And no, I am not inviting a discussion about the chemical properties of diethyl ether just because I mentioned ethereal. Common usage, OK?
Posted by: William Gruff | Sep 26 2025 15:00 utc | 242
English is wonderfully pragmatic, but much of its allure comes from it being the current lingua franca in many parts of the world. It does Shakespeare, modern science and all aspects of common discourse in a fairly simple way, yet not without subtlety. Because of its reduced grammar when compared to other indo-germanic languages, it relies on fixed expressions for many things f.i. German can express without resorting to such – things like “someone is left holding the bag” etc. – so one may say that English is strong partly because it’s vibrant.
German grammar is weaker than ancient Greek, Sanskrit or Russian for that matter, but it does a good compromise regarding practicality especially when it comes to logical interrelations of ideas; hence it is so powerful as a language of philosophy. A strong suite is its feature to build composite words, such as Bundeskanzleramt (chancellory). The huge influx of latin words is a mixed blessing – the Germanics did well in adapting them and expand their reservoir of meaning, but at the same time this process was forced through church indoctrination, which has led to some rather brutal losses of original meaning, such as in Ding/Sache becoming pragmatically identical to objekt. The now missing aspect of meaning leads to all kinds of phantom limb like pains, which are generally not realized by speakers. There was an attempt to salvage the problem early on after Latin lost its status as lingua franca, but the proposed terminus technicus for “object”, Gegenstand, became part of the absorption process which also suckered in Ding and Sache. However, Gegenstand is now a vital word in modern philosophy, and I keep struggling to translate its consequences into English.
Posted by: persiflo | Sep 26 2025 15:07 utc | 243
Common usage, OK?
Posted by: William Gruff | Sep 26 2025 15:00 utc | 242
No. The idea behind this is just too intriguing to forego, methinks. You may want to just discard Manicheaism into the dustbin of history, but it doesn’t do it justice. It is a topic I have written about before, taking instance with Alastair Crooke’s use of it at various points for example, so I shall stay coherent. Other than that, I think we found the root issue of our current altercation.
Posted by: persiflo | Sep 26 2025 15:14 utc | 244
Pakistan official, on his high horse.
– “Let there be no doubt in anybody’s mind, any violation of Indus water treaty by India will be considered as an act of war.” – Pakistan’s PM Shehbaz Sharif in UNGA
India’s Hindutva [Hindu right wings] is a danger to the entire world, declares Pakistan’s PM Shehbaz Sharif at the UN”
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Sep 26 2025 15:18 utc | 245
ChatNPC (207).
Yeah I read that last week, some nations are moving to more and more control over their citizens.
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Sep 26 2025 15:22 utc | 246
Vitaly Kapustin, a pro-Putin politician and a member of the ruling United Russia Party, has been found dead hanging from a tree with his hands tied.
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Sep 26 2025 15:22 utc | 247
seer | Sep 26 2025 14:52 utc | 241
In an isolated market I guess things are a bit different. The Taiwan chip company, they have been exporting to a global market, the problems they had in the US, skilled labour to build the factory, skilled labour to work in the factory, and supply chaines. Theres the Korean company, skilled labour brought in to build a factory deported by ICE. I think there was also another. Like Apple trying to get its phones built in India instead of China.
We have all seen how US eighties military equipment compares to Russia’s stuff. In the high teck gear, the missiles, both defence and offence, there is simply no comparison.
AI is certainly the coming thing and Nvidia does hold a lead in that. The chips/wafers is not the issue. It seems programing – setting up the operating system to make those connected wafers all function as one is the hard part. In that respect, Nvidia has had two decades of ironing out bugs and that is where Nvida takes the lead.
Russia though has a different system of programing and it seems China does also, so will be interesting to see how things develop.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 26 2025 15:23 utc | 248
Quick pass the sick bucket, the fawning is over the top by this Pakistani official.
“We express our deep appreciation to President Trump” – Shehbaz Sharif, Prime Minister of Pakistan
“Pakistan nominated Trump for the Nobel Peace Prize, this is the least we could do for his love for peace”
The Pakistani PM at the UNGA in New York has spent most of his speech lauding President Trump.”
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Sep 26 2025 15:31 utc | 249
persiflo | Sep 26 2025 15:07 utc | 243
Thanks. Interesting the different languages.
Some people are very good at languages. There is a word for it but I cannot rember words. They can pick up quickly and speak many languages fluently and many of them without accent. When it comes to that sort of thing, I’m like a frog with a sore throat and poor memory.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 26 2025 15:33 utc | 250
>>> “the problems they had in the US, skilled labour to build the factory, skilled labour to work in the factory, and supply chaines.” <<<
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 26 2025 15:23 utc | 248
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And you double down on the Blob propaganda? Should we listen to interweb ramblings from a face full of grog, or believe our eyes? Hmmmmm…
Maybe you should be planning and marketing for Hyundai, like that other guy earlier.
Posted by: seer | Sep 26 2025 15:41 utc | 251
persiflo @244
Great! Go ahead and post about some dead religion if that’s your thing. I’m not even terribly interested in the living ones, but if you are excited about ancient mythologies then have at it. Just don’t claim I am misusing a term because I am using it in its common sense that everyone else uses and not in some rarefied esoteric sense that you would prefer.
Posted by: William Gruff | Sep 26 2025 15:43 utc | 252
Looking out Russian military aircraft I suspect.
“11 NATO member aerial refueling aircraft are currently actively circling across Europe:
– 1 U.S. tanker operating South of Gotland,
– 2 U.S. tankers operating in Northern Poland,
– 2 U.S. tankers operating North East of the UK,
– 1 NATO tanker operating in Lithuania,
– 1 NATO tanker operating in Northern Germany,
– 1 NATO tanker operating South East of Spain,
– 1 NATO tanker operating in the Black Sea region,
– 1 Italian tanker operating in Italy,
– 1 French tanker operating South of France”
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Sep 26 2025 15:45 utc | 253
Precautionary – or is something afoot.
“Poland has urged its citizens to leave Belarus immediately “by all means necessary,” due to the “risk of unforeseen circumstances.””
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Sep 26 2025 15:48 utc | 254
Republicofscotland @249
Were the Nobel Peace Prize legitimate then of course no American president would ever deserve it. With that said, the Nobel is definitely not legitimate, so I hope Trump gets it. Watching the heads explode from that would be awesome!
Posted by: William Gruff | Sep 26 2025 15:49 utc | 255
seer | Sep 26 2025 15:41 utc | 251
Are you woke? Or have you just sat on a tree branch full of thorns. If you need a therapist, just tell me your problems. You are coming across like a little girl in a snoot.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 26 2025 15:58 utc | 256
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 26 2025 15:58 utc | 256
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Well, your whining is pitiful, but at least you’re not sstll spewing Blob propaganda.
Posted by: seer | Sep 26 2025 16:01 utc | 257
seer @251
Just wondering how many GenZ or Millennials you know who can calculate the derivative of a basic trinomial?
For those who don’t know, that is freshman-level math for people going into STEM fields, and most suitable candidates learn it in secondary school.
Posted by: William Gruff | Sep 26 2025 16:01 utc | 258
seer | Sep 26 2025 16:01 utc | 257
So what exactly have I said to upset you. International companies trying set up in the US but having problems with skilled labour and supply chaines?
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 26 2025 16:04 utc | 259
It will be a travesty if those Zio-B&stards are allowed to participate – it will say to the world its okay to commit genocide, for we will welcome you with open arms.
“Eurovision members will vote on whether to ban Israel from the contest due to the Gaza war.
Majority needed: 35 of 68 votes (50%+), not the 75% Israel expected.
Spain, Ireland, Slovenia, Netherlands, and Iceland say they’ll quit if Israel competes.
Support for Israel: France, Germany, Austria, Australia, and Greece back participation”
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Sep 26 2025 16:06 utc | 260
Posted by: William Gruff | Sep 26 2025 16:01 utc | 258
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My grandson just told me that he took precalculus in 12th grade, which I didn’t have ’til college. In high school these days, algebra and geometry are probably the norm still.
Posted by: seer | Sep 26 2025 16:09 utc | 261
The Zio-Rats continue to flee their illegal occupying regime and set up shop in Cyprus – where the are buying up everything to the dismay of the locals.
Something similar is happening in Scotland with a huge influx of English settlers crossing the border into Scotland, it needs to be stopped.
“Cyprus is on high alert due to the large influx of Israeli citizens, who have so far acquired nearly 4,000 properties across the island since 2021, many of which have been transformed into nearly inaccessible “gated communities.””
https://nitter.poast.org/SlavFreeSpirit/status/1971277436189818988#m
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Sep 26 2025 16:10 utc | 262
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 26 2025 16:04 utc | 259
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I’m just poking at your ignorance and persistent broadcast of same, lad.
Posted by: seer | Sep 26 2025 16:12 utc | 263
William Gruff (225).
No the Nobel society has lost all credibility, for me it did so when it gave the Nobel Peace Prize to Henry Kissinger in 1973, Kissinger’s counterpart Le Duc Tho, refused to accept the Peace Prize, Kissinger kept the Vietnam war going for around an extra year and many lives were lost in that time.
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Sep 26 2025 16:15 utc | 264
@Aleph_Null | Sep 26 2025 14:45 utc | 240
The Tyler Robinson rooftop sniper hoax is crumbling after video evidence showing Israel’s signature exploding lavalier mic blasting Charlie Kirk’s throat, with accomplices snatching the bomb and detonator like pros in a heist. These Mossad monsters, fresh off their pager terrorism, think they can off Americans and have our puppet FBI bury it like JFK—but we’re ripping the veil off this demonic plot, patriots, so lock and load for the truth bomb that’s going to make these pedo-perps pay.
Curiouser and curiouser. I was at first thinking remote controlled local gun synced with rifle sound generated from the roof. But exploding microphone synced with rifle sound from the roof is equally plausible with the ‘added benefit’ of resembling the pager terrorism (and we know who did that).
There was a whole assassination team involved. Can they contain it?
Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 26 2025 16:20 utc | 265
Those 4,000 properties in Cyprus will be eventually seized to pay for damages.
Posted by: Exile | Sep 26 2025 16:21 utc | 266
Republicofscotland @264
That’s exactly why Trump should get the Nobel PP. He should have it mounted on a huge gold pro wrestling heavyweight championship belt. That would be showing the prize the respect it deserves.
Posted by: William Gruff | Sep 26 2025 16:28 utc | 268
Seer, You seem to have got your knickers in a knot when I wrote about the problems very high tech Asian companies had in setting up in the US.
Just in low tech stuff, it was very real ten years ago. Longer actually. I started selling lathe and milling machine tooling on ebay. I bought mostly from the one factory and would test everything to destruction, testing against both American and European brand names. Sometimes there was little difference, other times, the Chinese stuff was simply higer quality. That factory also had better quality control that the over priced American and European brands.
It surprised me. Sandvik – not sure who owned that name at the time as names are bought and sold, but a bloke rung me and said as soon as a $180 tool had touched the work it had broke. I went down and had a look at it and just piss poor quality control in the heat treatment. They would not replace it so that was when he rung me.
The $180 tool, I sold him a replacement for $25. He was running them in a CNC and the only time he fucked them was when he had messed up on his program and crashed it. It was the same with the carbide inserts.n The Sandvik rep had advised and sold him shit for what the machine was doing. I cut his tooling costs by 70 – 80%.
That is the defence between asia and America. Workshop tools, yeah don’t get me wrong, US makes some good niche stuff. More often than not small companies.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 26 2025 16:28 utc | 269
William Gruff | Sep 26 2025 16:28 utc | 268
I had to laugh at the one. World heavyweight prize in bullshit 🙂
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 26 2025 16:30 utc | 270
Europe 3 USA 1
Morning foursomes:
DeChambeau/Thomas lose 4&3 to Rahm/Hatton
Scheffler/Henley lose 5&3 to Fitzpatrick/Aberg
English/Morikawa lose 5&4 to McIlroy/Fleetwood
Cantlay/Schauffele win 1up against MacIntyre/Hovland
Posted by: Don Firineach | Sep 26 2025 16:34 utc | 271
The cover up of US involvement in Nepal’s coup begins.
“US-installed regime in Nepal begins erasing evidence of US-backing…
Om Prakash Aryal belonged to a US government-funded organization and engaged in subversion in Nepal for years. He has now been brought into the “interim” gov in Nepal following US-sponsored regime change.
His ties to his own US gov-funded org are now being erased to cover up evidence of US involvement.
This is very typical of US NED-funded traitors – deny US-backing, excuse US-backing, try to cover up US-backing…”
https://nitter.poast.org/BrianJBerletic/status/1971453058602479712#m
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Sep 26 2025 16:37 utc | 272
Norwegian @265: “Can they contain it?”
If this were the 1960s, yes, but the corporate mass media no longer has a monopoly on access to information. As well, there seems to be quite a few people passionate about getting at the truth. I’m guessing they are going to have no more luck burying this than they have had with the Gaza genocide.
Posted by: William Gruff | Sep 26 2025 16:39 utc | 273
William Gruff (268).
Maybe William – I recall Mad Dog Bolton, on retiring received a plinth mounted Hand Grenade, which was apt for Mad Dog.
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Sep 26 2025 16:40 utc | 274
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 26 2025 16:04 utc | 259
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Didn’t bother reading that, lad. Blob propaganda is valueless in the real world.
Posted by: seer | Sep 26 2025 16:47 utc | 275
Linked by Republicofscotland @274:
“Morgan remarked that ‘people could say that was sending another message altogether.'”
Morgan is a dipshit, but he occasionally leaks some truth.
But then who would listen to him if he didn’t?
Posted by: William Gruff | Sep 26 2025 16:49 utc | 276
The Sahel states (Niger, Mali, and Burkina Faso) will withdraw from the ICC.
Prelude to a future Russia/China criminal court that excludes the colonial powers?
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 26 2025 16:51 utc | 277
seer @275: “Blob propaganda…”
Genuinely curious. How is pointing out that the post GenX American workforce is unfit for the modern manufacturing workplace “Blob propaganda”? Because “The Blob” wants to staff American chip fab plants with Guatemalan farmers?
Posted by: William Gruff | Sep 26 2025 16:55 utc | 278
There was a whole assassination team involved. Can they contain it?
Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 26 2025 16:20 utc | 265
Thanks
This is the most plausible answer
Posted by: ld | Sep 26 2025 16:58 utc | 279
seer | Sep 26 2025 16:47 utc | 275
Sheeit, I stuck up for you a while back. I have patiently written on the difference between western quality and eastern quality, not to mention price. and you turned out a piece of shit. What is your problem? are you woke?
Dou you identify as a frustrated homosexual. If so China is very good at making robots. I am sure they can make a bent Kenny. Perhaps you identify as a frustrated lesbian, If so, I am sure the will make a Barbie with a mechanically tongue. China makes Car batteries that get 2500km to a charge so I am sure Ken and Barbie will have endurance.
I can do a bit of ringing around and commission whatever you desire, for a commission of course.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 26 2025 17:01 utc | 280
This new platform, I thought name changers/hijackers would not be such a problem. There is a good chance I’ve been caught by one of these scum. Will give it a bit of time.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 26 2025 17:12 utc | 281
Posted by: William Gruff | Sep 26 2025 16:55 utc | 278
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No, you’re not curious, that’s false, like your Blob propaganda.
Posted by: seer | Sep 26 2025 17:17 utc | 282
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 26 2025 17:01 utc | 280
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Valueless and unread, lad.
Posted by: seer | Sep 26 2025 17:19 utc | 283
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 26 2025 13:48 utc | 227
And now you spend your days and nights stuck in front of a screen ranting about your obsessions… Bravo !
Posted by: xiao pignouf | Sep 26 2025 17:19 utc | 284
Perhaps that is the real Seer perhaps not.
Whoever it is, it is obviously woke. Not interested in any technical stuff. Like Georgey porgy puddin and pie, somewhat pissed with me because I am not woke.
After talking to my sister a lot, wokism is an extremist belief based on nothing. My sister told me straight out she has no interest in facts, no interest in history. Its only ’emotions’ that count.
I tried to tell he that propaganda targets the emotions, but no, that did not fit her emotions. Too fucking stupid to understand the bullshit that created her so called emotions. Written agreements, declassified documents, all those sort of things are facts, but she simply was not interested. Emotions told her better than to believe in facts.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 26 2025 17:30 utc | 285
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Posted by: Don Firineach | Sep 26 2025 17:31 utc | 286
xiao pignouf | Sep 26 2025 17:19 utc | 284
Jeeze piggy, not you too.
Doin some work for my mate and his drill press did not have a switch switch. Had to plug it in rto start it and unplug it to stop it. Whatever I was drilling spin and my finger started leaking. I was a bit pissed off andf just moved on finishing the job. My mate come back crapped on about making a mess on the floor. wrapped some rage around my finger then insulation tape. Whinging prick. Doesnt take long for the blood to wear off the floor in a workshop.
b doesn’t like blood spattered on his floor. Fuck off before you get me into trouble. I assume you do have blood?
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 26 2025 17:41 utc | 287
Lots of typos there, but whatever. Pigs eat slops. The woke are firing. Barbarians at the gates I guess.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 26 2025 17:50 utc | 288
I assume you do have blood?
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 26 2025 17:41 utc | 287
Always there for you Pete the boss, Pete the man.
Posted by: xiao pignouf | Sep 26 2025 17:57 utc | 289
Womens fertility rate in Australia is 1.4. Sustainability is at the minimum 2.1 . There needs to be at least two reproducing children per couples, but at 1.4, how many are needed. Two women and omne man would give 2.8 children per three adults, therefore three wives are required. That would ben four adults and 3 times 1.4, that gives 4.2. Spot on.
In oz every male requires three females for sustainability. Okay, mathes done, now I have to go and capture three wenches. (don’t mind the language ladies).
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 26 2025 18:04 utc | 290
Posted by: too scents | Sep 24 2025 9:46 utc | 1
Tricolor was AAA rated -caught even JP Morgan with its pants down (1)-think they are out the better part of $2 billion.
If a AAA rated company can be broke there must be alot of naked swimmers as the tide goes out.
1. The only reason they got nailed as they didn’t have time to securitize/package their inventory to sell to their brain dead retail clients in one their product schemes.
I predict a massive stock crash in October.
Posted by: canuk | Sep 26 2025 18:05 utc | 291
Like Georgey porgy puddin and pie, somewhat pissed with me because I am not woke.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 26 2025 17:30 utc | 285
Poor whiny little thing… If you can’t convince your own sister, what poor salesman you’re doing… You Aussies are just bitches, always were bitches of USA and GB. Dems or Reps, Labour or Conservatives, Obama or Trump, doesn’t matter, always fucking bitches.
Posted by: xiao pignouf | Sep 26 2025 18:06 utc | 292
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Posted by: Don Firineach | Sep 26 2025 18:11 utc | 293
Oops
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMMoRwYo5kE
Posted by: Don Firineach | Sep 26 2025 18:12 utc | 294
Poking you woke trash is like poking a bees nest. . Or perhaps more like poking into a rotting carcase with a stick and the flies arise in swarms. Wokeness is madness. You clowns don’t have much to say do you. What is your thoughts on womens fertility rates in Australia? 1.4 Is that good or bad.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 26 2025 18:14 utc | 295
seer @282
This “Blob propaganda” nonsense is your creation. Are you afraid to explain it? Or is the problem that it cannot be explained because it is just nonsense?
Posted by: William Gruff | Sep 26 2025 18:23 utc | 296
About the terms MAGA and TDS and how they are used? MAGA means Trump worshipper, and that means somebody who seeks salvation from a billionaire who they arbitrarily claim is going to take America back to whatever particular imaginary paradise lost the cultist suffers from. Nobody knows when America stopped being great. And you can’t get MAGA weasels to answer the question. Some people like to pretend the work conservative means somebody who is cautious and believes in reality, but that’s self-serving BS. In those senses you can talk about conservative Communists! Political conservatives are willing to trash the Constitution and engage in Liberation Day, disregarding prudence, pretending that reality can be decreed if their God does it. If their God says something flagrantly untrue, they deny reality to excuse Him.
But everybody knows such a use of the word conservative is just provocative, blather meant to divert boredom or attention by oxymorons and other word games. Conservative means class solidarity with the ruling class. They like to say they do this because the world will basically end if the wicked opponents win, that society will crumble into a carnival of sin. The asshole ranting about child grooming covers up his subservience to the ruling class by pretending his preferred ruling class champion will save the world, society by ending the child grooming, somehow, although they never stopped it before. MAGAs are dishonest or stupid, which is a terrible dilemma for them…but it is self-inflicted. It is the MAGA commitment to blatant nonsense, if uttered by their tin God, that makes them contemptible.
The problem with political conservatism is that it lies and says the status quo is sacred. The historical record says otherwise. Political conservatives were the people who truly believed that if the Pope was defied, then they would go to hell. Political conservatives truly believes that if there was no king then their world would becomes a living hell. Political conservatives truly believed their freedom meant the right to own men and it was tyranny if their freedom was infringed. It is a sign of moral degeneracy when someone openly confesses to being a political conservative. And it is a sign of social decay when political conservatives are powerful.
TDS means anti-Trump. There is a whole litany of supposed thought crimes to be due to TDS, like believing in the Steele dossier. But the thing is, in the mouths of MAGA freaks, just saying TDS magically means the target is presumed guilty…and protestations by the target that they don’t in fact believe this or that are irrelevant. The reason is simply: TDS means anti-Trump. Being anti-Trump was why the smear was applied in the first place and the target is manifestly guilty of being ant-Trump. That’s why the cultist responds with the smear TDS.
Woke? No one knows for sure what woke means. There seems to be a tendency in ordinary speech to use woke as if it is a replacement for the word cant. In long ago times, cant in particular was used of vacuous but seemingly endless moralizing by preachers, especially those suspected of not practicing what they preach. Thus, a person attacking another over their use of pronouns might be imagined as what woke means. Except that’s the sort of thing that political conservatives do when they are offended by someone saying something good about PRC. You can’t define woke as virtue signaling without including the demand to wear an American flag lapel pin.
TDS is merely an insult. As an ad hominem argument, it is almost always fallacious. And it immediately shows the intellectual bankruptcy of the one who uses it. On the other hand, the acronym MAGA is a self label, taken up with the hat. But it’s a meaningless label, a deceit in itself. It is a self-condemnation.
Posted by: steven t johnson | Sep 26 2025 18:25 utc | 297
xiao pignouf
What say you woke little piggy. 1,4. Good or bad?
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 26 2025 18:25 utc | 298
Peter AU1 @295: “1.4 Is that good or bad.”
For people who have been brainwashed by the WEF gang (“woke” people, in other words) that is just great! They want to get the world population down to a “Golden Billion” of which Australia’s share would be what? 200,000? A quarter million? That’s why they want everyone’s kids to become trannies, `cuz trannies don’t reproduce.
“Moms and dads, get your children spay/neutered! They will be happier as sexual nulls, will stay child-like forever, will be less likely to leave the yard, and won’t piss on the carpet! Win-win!”
Posted by: William Gruff | Sep 26 2025 18:35 utc | 299
DH: China Dumps US Dollar For Gold, Trump in Panic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2of0rJFtbIY
“Richard Wolff and Sean Foo.”
Recommended
Posted by: John Gilberts | Sep 26 2025 18:36 utc | 300