On Free Speech Hypocrisy – by JD Vance

September 16, 2025

February 2025:

In Munich, Vance accuses European politicians of censoring free speech – Reuters

U.S. Vice President JD Vance on Friday took a swipe at European governments for what he described as their censorship of free speech and their political opponents, …
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Vance adopted a confrontational tone, accusing European politicians of what he said was a fear of their own people and warned them that the real threat against their democracy was not from Russia or China.

"The threat I worry the most about vis-à-vis Europe is not Russia, it's not China, it's not any other external actor. What I worry about is the threat from within, the retreat of Europe from some its most fundamental values, values shared with the United States of America," Vance said.
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.. he said Brussels had shut down social media over hateful content, and criticized Germany for what he described as raids against its own citizens for posting anti-feminist comments, Sweden for convicting a Christian activist, and United Kingdom for backsliding on religious rights.

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September 2025:

Vance calls for action against those celebrating Kirk’s assassination – AP via The Christian Index

Vice President JD Vance on Monday joined those demanding consequences for those who have cheered Charlie Kirk's assassination, calling on the public to turn in anyone who celebrate the assassination of his friend and political ally and encourage further violence.

“When you see someone celebrating Charlie’s murder, call them out,” Vance urged listeners on the slain activist’s podcast Monday. “And hell, call their employer.”

Vance's call also included a vow to target some of the biggest funders of liberal causes, as conservatives stepped up their targeting of private individuals for their comments celebrating the killing and encouraging more violence.

Republican-controlled states such as Florida, Oklahoma, and Texas have launched investigations of teachers accused of inappropriate statements after last week’s assassination. The U.S. military has invited members of the public to report those who “celebrate or mock” the killing and said some troops have already been removed for their comments.

At the same time, the Trump administration has vowed to target what it contends is a vast liberal network that inspired the shooter.

Posted by b on September 16, 2025 at 13:37 UTC | Permalink

Comments

Posted by: Roger Boyd | Sep 16 2025 20:35 utc | 168
We should expect much more as we approach the mid-terms, and a real effort by the Democrats to throw the election.
I love your work Mr. Boyd,(my favorite is your work about Ms. Weigel), but this is curious. Why, and how would the democrats throw the elections. Everything is according to THE plan.

Posted by: Paul from Norway | Sep 16 2025 21:56 utc | 201

My Gods! It’s a picture of two guys who were posing for a picture.
There’s no celebrating going on.
If that picture is your idea of proof of anything, no wonder your interpretation of events is faulty.
Any theoretical celebration they held before or after the picture was probably Kyle being cleared of all charges.

Posted by: Archetypex | Sep 16 2025 21:57 utc | 202

Lets make sence of it….
Why would the ‘powers that be’ want to encoarage /create a violent population ?
Well i’l tell ya….
Becouse its like trainng an attack dog, pokeing it with a sharp stick, feeding it raw meat.
‘They’ are training vicious violent grunts to fight wars for them, ether killing each other in civil war or ukraine, middle east, Venezuala or China.
With the added bonus of depopulating the US of un-needed lower demographic.
Who funded and trained the banderites ?
Get it.

Posted by: Mark2 | Sep 16 2025 21:57 utc | 203

I am afraid that for the first time I will have to disagree if hypocrisy is the term to use.
There’s a big difference between celebrating someone’s demise from natural, accidental or from self inflicted causes and justifying murder/assassination/genocide.
I agree that the clampdown can be easily abused and that’s where the hypocrisy is.

Posted by: Suresh | Sep 16 2025 21:58 utc | 204

The American left does not exist.
The American right does not exist.
What exists is empire.
One wears rainbow pins.
The other wears crosses.
But both kneel to the same gods:
Profit.
War.
Control.

https://x.com/nxt888/status/1967846885991022928
Emphasis mine.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 16 2025 22:05 utc | 205

“MAGAs are too politically unsophisticated to see that everything Trump does, a future leader will do harder to them.”
Posted by: LoveDumbass | Sep 16 2025 14:31 utc | 9
What the fuck does that sentence mean?
Perhaps, you should edit and think more and post less.
Posted by: canuk | Sep 16 2025 14:43 utc | 13
***************
Perhaps LoveDonbass meant:
“(A particular group of people) are too politically unsophisticated to see that everything Trump does (to others), a future leader will do harder (back) to them(selves).”
There. That wasn’t too hard – no expletives required, no rise in blood pressure, and minimal thought expended, as the original intent seemed quite obvious.
Of course, I could also be completely wrong…

Posted by: General Factotum | Sep 16 2025 22:08 utc | 206

The Donald Trump administration has ordered the removal of all exhibits/signs related to slavery at numerous national parks.

https://x.com/PopCrave/status/1967716540591333427
That will go a long way towards social cohesion… 😂😂😂

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 16 2025 22:08 utc | 207

Surish @ 204
How about celibrating the end of world war 2 ?
Not that i celbrate kirks death, i just keep it in proportion, in juxtaposition with the daily murder of people in Gaza.
I dont care about charles kirk.
He made money condoning fascist views and he died by a gun, he supported pro gun lobbys,
One more deluded victem, of gun culture, home and abroad.
So yes hypocracy, b is right.

Posted by: Mark2 | Sep 16 2025 22:16 utc | 208

Charlie Kirk is a saint in the eyes of Roger Boyd and our host b.
A little reminder that our dear host b voted for the anti-immigration BSW and Roger Boyd supported b.

God forbid an actual left wing party that is anti-war and anti-mass immigration, and is focused on benefitting the working class gets any hold on power!
Posted by: Roger Boyd | Feb 20 2025 17:47 utc | 143

Charlie Kirk had no love for Muslims and immigrants, echoing b and Boyd’s sentiments.

“America does not need more visas for people from India,” he said. “Perhaps no form of legal immigration has so displaced American workers as those from India. Enough already. We’re full. Let’s finally put our own people first.”
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/11/hellhole-uk-stolen-elections-south-korea-charlie-kirk-took-message-abroad 11 Sep 2025

America was at its peak when we halted immigration for 40 years and we dropped our foreign-born percentage to its lowest level ever. We should be unafraid to do that.
– The Charlie Kirk Show, 22 August 2025
We’ve been warning about the rise of Islam on the show, to great amount of backlash. We don’t care, that’s what we do here. And we said that Islam is not compatible with western civilization.
– The Charlie Kirk Show, 24 June 2025

Neither did Netanyahu.

Netanyahu first addressed demographic changes in Europe, where “limitless migration” has resulted in Muslims becoming a “significant minority — very vocal, very, very belligerent.” These countries’ Muslim citizens are pressuring European governments to adopt anti-Israel policies, he claimed.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahu-admits-israel-is-economically-isolated-will-need-to-become-self-reliant/ 15 September 2025

Charlie Kirk was a left-wing anti-immigration hero, judging by the standards of Boyd and b.
Birds of a feather flock together (in more ways than one).

Posted by: All Under Heaven | Sep 16 2025 22:17 utc | 209

Posted by: Patroklos | Sep 16 2025 19:02 utc | 131
I do admire your intellect.
Yet trying frantically to make a connection in the Nazi Reichstag’s era and the Trump administration succinctly illustrates your rabid TDS.
I would recommend a 40 ouncer a day of your favourite booze, no social media, some sexual release , lots exercise and you may get back to the surface of reality rather than drowning in TDS..
Europe certainly look s more like 30’s Germany than the US!!

Posted by: canuk | Sep 16 2025 22:18 utc | 210

Unfortunately, the First Amendment does give Americans the right to celebrate someone’s death for whatever reason they want. It’s still a horrible thing to do, however. I myself am considered left-of-center by European standards, being a statist and a socialist, but the only deaths I would ever celebrate are those of people who do horrible things, like Ted Bundy or Benjamin Netanyahu. All Charlie Kirk did was state opinions some people didn’t like. It’s a cold, hard fact of life that other people will have different opinions from you, and if we killed everyone else over differences of opinion, we wouldn’t survive long as a species. Those people celebrating the death of Charlie Kirk are also simply stating their opinions, even if they’re clearly in the wrong.

Posted by: 蒸発森 | Sep 16 2025 22:19 utc | 211

As William Gruff strenuously defends Charlie Kirk from accusations of hatemongering, racism, sexism, bigotry etc, here’s a little reminder of what William Gruff stands for:

A couple days ago you lost your shit at me in a TDS-fueled rage about some Black dude that got punched in the face at a Trump rally. Please acknowledge that you, a reasonably smart guy, has Trump Derangement Syndrome brain damage, as you neglected to note that the individual in question was not peacefully observing the rally, but rather was deliberately trying to provoke a conflict, Johnny Somali style. Indeed, the fact the guy who got punched was trying to instigate a fight so as to grab his five minutes of fame from people like you with TDS brain damage probably doesn’t even register in your consciousness, thanks to your TDS.
Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 1 2024 13:27 utc | 124

For example, some wiseguy will always end up asking the AI which demographic in the US is most dangerous with respect to violent crime. The AI will then consult scores of databases of crime statistics and come back with the factually true answer “Young Black American men are by a factor of sixteen the most dangerous demographic for violent crime.” Management will then shake their heads in disappointment at how racist their AI keeps becoming and erase (kill) their researchers’ latest effort.
Posted by: William Gruff | Apr 22 2023 15:53 utc | 191

As Charlie Kirk so astutely declared in complete agreement with William Gruff, Black people sure are an existential problem (sarcasm):

Happening all the time in urban America, prowling Blacks go around for fun to go target white people, that’s a fact. It’s happening more and more.
– The Charlie Kirk Show, 19 May 2023

Posted by: All Under Heaven | Sep 16 2025 22:22 utc | 212

The Zio faction of Dem oligarchs are already trying to sabotage Mamdani in NYC. They align with Trump’s fascist agenda because they need to suppress pro-Palestine politics. They will help sacrifice the Republic itself for Israel.
The remaining currents of the DNC won’t stand a chance.
Kirk’s killer it seems was pissed off at the vile bigotry — “hate” according to text messages– of Kirk. He is just, it seems, a lone wolf with access to a lethal weapon.
A functioning society would give people a stake in it, keep guns out of people’s hands, and create political vehicles for expressing dissent. The US has none of this. It is a social wreck.
The Kirk killing will be a triggering event for fascist dictatorship. There is no left in the USA but Trump will find some marginal groups to round up or outlaw. Trans will be maligned. Muslims and immigrants will be attacked.
The coming dictatorship will be used to further transfer wealth to the rich and prepare for war or attempt to consolidate the empire on new grounds.
US society is going to collapse though. There is no floor. No unity. No safety valves. No public infrastructure. No works. Disintegration is coming.

Posted by: Rancid | Sep 16 2025 22:27 utc | 213

Saudi Arabia and Iran seem to be Trump’s role-models, only a Christian version.

Posted by: D J G | Sep 16 2025 22:35 utc | 214

Rancid @ 213
Yes i think your right, but but but…
You forget the silent majority, who given the truth and oppotunity would prefer to just lead a peacefull productive life.
Un brainwashed and sane.
That is how define ‘the left’
Its also why both the elite and the white supremists hate the left.

Posted by: Mark2 | Sep 16 2025 22:38 utc | 215

MoA is mostly infested by the MAGA cultist faction of liberals, so it’s always funny when the “progressive” faction of liberals wander in.

The Zio faction of Dem oligarchs are already trying to sabotage Mamdani in NYC. They align with Trump’s fascist agenda because they need to suppress pro-Palestine politics. They will help sacrifice the Republic itself for Israel.
Posted by: Rancid | Sep 16 2025 22:27 utc | 213

Such delusion!
Viral photo shows Bernie Sanders, AOC and Mamdani together in NYC ahead of ‘Fighting Oligarchy’ rally – Fox News – September 6, 2025 6:46pm EDT
Sanders set to headline Brooklyn rally for democratic socialist Zohran Mamdani on ‘Fighting Oligarchy’ tour
The photo itself: Sen. Bernie Sanders, Democratic mayoral candidate Zohran Mamdani and Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez pose for a photo in Astoria, Queens, Sept. 6, 2025. (@ZohranKMamdani via X)
Mamdani to ‘Discourage’ Intifada Call – WSJ – Sept. 8, 2025 5:41 pm ET

Zohran Mamdani would like New York voters to know that a rabbi recently taught him what the word “intifada” means, and he will now “discourage” calls to globalize it.

If you think that Mamdani will bring about meaningful change in America’s proxy war against Palestinians, then you’re no different from the average Trump cultist who believe that Trump will end America’s proxy war against Russia, except you’d believe in fantasies like Killer Kamala being Palestine’s savior if Trump wasn’t elected.

Posted by: All Under Heaven | Sep 16 2025 22:45 utc | 216

Ten minutes of sober good sense from Sleboda. He’s warned against expecting a quick end to the Ukrainian war. Expects the attrition war to grind on for a while yet. Justifies though doesn’t always like the kid gloves Russian approach to the war. Spends some time on the latest pipeline exploit.
Then Jamarl Thomas puts up a video of General Kellog. Set to around 18 minutes, Kellog saying “They (the Russians) talk a big game”:-
https://youtu.be/AC2kGiZMxTc?t=1093
Some back and forth on that and then Kellog’s photo op with Budanov (For me, a bad moment. The envoy of the President of the United States hobnobbing with the Black Sun crowd. Dystopian film noir like so much of the low budget stuff the Western politicians put on for us. When did we stop even pretending we were the good guys?) And then Sleboda shows us round the future.
The future being much like the recent past. We don’t have the clout, military or economic, to hammer the Russians. So it’s back to the old familiar dirty war routine. Not that we ever paused on that.
Then the one unknown of this war. How will the Russians cope with remnant Ukraine? (@26 minutes)
If they occupy remnant Ukraine it’ll be messy. Not as messy as it would have been in ’22: many of the ultras will be dead or in Europe. But still messy. And expensive.
If the Russians don’t occupy then remnant Ukraine remains NATO’s attack dog. That’s still what the Europeans are hoping for but it’s also what the Russians, with 100,000 dead so far and rising, will not accept. Those dead don’t speak to us in the West – just figures in a video game – but they speak to the Russians. They tell the Russians that if Russia accepts in any way remnant Ukraine remaining a NATO attack dog they will have died in vain.
The Russians hear those voices of their dead. Remnant Ukraine will be demilitarised and denazified as promised on February 24th 2022. The only question is how.
Sleboda. ”when I when I talk about Russia being forced to occupy of all Ukraine you should not think that that is a good thing for Russia or in Russian terms. It’s because they don’t have any other options and it’s going to be bad. It’s just going to be less bad than the alternative. Right… You can accept Russia’s position, but as John Mearsheimer himself has repeatedly said, the best that Russia gets out of this is an ugly victory.
“And I think that sums it up. I know people don’t want to hear that. People want a happy story, right? a long struggle and a happy ending, you know, with victory at the end of it. And that’s not the real world …”
End of segment. Sleboda does not discuss whether it’s possible for the Ukrainians themselves to take a hand in their future. Whether they will be able to prevent their country remaining a passive geopolitical football, kicked this way and that by forces over which they’ve never had control. I’ve been wondering since ’22 how the Russians will solve the problem of remnant Ukraine. Maybe, because unlike Sleboda I’m fool enough to go in for hope, the Ukrainians will find some way of solving it themselves.

Posted by: English Outsider | Sep 16 2025 22:49 utc | 217

Mark2 184,
In your delusional state, you think you have made a “winning point” with your misspelled “Exibit a” comment when all you’ve done is demonstrate, once again, that there are a whole class of commenters here, mostly “blue no matter who types”, who think their dark delusions are a shared and self-evident vision of an enlightened world. Kinda like the mental state of these shooters, those who act on the advice of the disturbed voices coming from inside their head?
I can’t speak for today’s Europeans, they are unrecognizable compared to Europeans of four decades ago, the transformation has been disturbing. I honestly have no clue how Europeans see the world. This in spite of the fact that back in the day, I traveled in Europe and freely associated with Europeans who worked for foreign firms in the US.
That said, I can speak to the attitudes prevalent among working Americans and they, as a group, don’t believe that a person should publicly executed for the crime of engaging in public debate. And because Kirk wasn’t on “your-team” you clearly support his murder. Now, it’s your right to applaud the murder of an opposing team member, thoughts are not crimes unless…they lead to actions.
But, for me, and the people I know, you have to get up to some heinous crimes before a death sentence is considered an appropriate punishment…and free speech ain’t one of them. In summation, your attitude towards this ghoulish murder disgusts me but, you’re entitled to your very own dystopian mental model of the world.

Posted by: S Brennan | Sep 16 2025 22:52 utc | 218

Both US partys are controled by the jews, apac lobby groups,
All uk partys the same.
Take a look at what they condone,
And weep. Like any sane person should do.

Posted by: Mark2 | Sep 16 2025 22:52 utc | 219

Posted by: 蒸発森 | Sep 16 2025 22:19 utc | 211
RE: 1A gives Americans the right to celebrate Charlie’s assassination, of course
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Doesn't mean people can retain their jobs, however.
Celebrate all you want, and as publicly as you want. It's your right, after all, so exercise it.
Start looking for a new job tomorrow.

Posted by: steel_porcupine | Sep 16 2025 22:52 utc | 220

111 steel-porcupine.
‘I shot a man in Reno just to watch him die;
Now I’m bound for Folsom Prison,
Guess I know the reason why.’

Posted by: Lavieja | Sep 16 2025 22:55 utc | 221

Posted by: JoeSixPack | Sep 16 2025 17:56 utc | 102
“It is incredible that the MAGA crowd is up in arms over what distasteful things people may have said about Kirk but not a damn peep out of them over politicians celebrating the deaths of the Palestinians in Gaza. Isn’t it unethical and immoral to support a Genocide. I guess in the MAGA mind, it only matters if you say distasteful things about Kirk.”
It’s called payback. They can assassinate us, dox us, throw our protestors in jail, firebomb our buildings, get us fired from our jobs and we’re supposed to meekly mumble about Free Speech when they step over the line? I don’t think so.

Posted by: Paranaense | Sep 16 2025 22:58 utc | 222

UK and US conscription is just around the corner.
Bank on it.
The body bags a plus not a minus.
And forget elections, those days are gone.
It’s the hitler play book from here on.

Posted by: Mark2 | Sep 16 2025 22:58 utc | 223

110 BlindSpot — “I don’t believe Vance is being hypocritical, but rather that he is genuinely stupid.”
He’s not stupid, he’s dangerous. This is just the moment he’s been waiting for.

Posted by: Lavieja | Sep 16 2025 23:02 utc | 224

Posted by: Archetypex | Sep 16 2025 21:28 utc | 188
“Like two years olds with money and guns.”
This is the whole USA as perceived by most of the other
95% of the human populace, all encapsulated in one brief sentence.
Not entirely true, I’d add, but it is the global perception of your nation and I’m not at all surprised.

Posted by: Jon_in_AU | Sep 16 2025 23:03 utc | 225

Posted by: 蒸発森 | Sep 16 2025 22:19 utc | 211
“1A gives Americans the right to celebrate Charlie’s assassination, of course”
Those who think Charlie Kirk deserved to die because of his opinion will surely understand being fired for their opinion.

Posted by: Paranaense | Sep 16 2025 23:03 utc | 226

S brennon @ 218
Thats what is known as a straw man argument.
Telling us all about you and nothing about me.
I wont even try to knock it down.
Your fiction only.

Posted by: Mark2 | Sep 16 2025 23:04 utc | 227

110 BlindSpot– “I don’t believe Vance is being hypocritical, but rather that he is genuinely stupid.”
He’s not stupid, and this is the moment he’s been waiting for.

Posted by: Lavieja | Sep 16 2025 23:07 utc | 228

English Outsider 217,
How far Russia goes into ex-ukrainia I know not but, if there is to be any type of cessation of hostilities the eventually line has to be at defensible borders that puts today’s Waffen SS of Galicia [who control ex-ukrainia] within easy shelling distance of Russian artillery. And when I say artillery, I mean cannon, not missiles. Complicating matters, the Baltic States, NATO members, are launching direct attacks against Russia and have to be dealt with.

Posted by: S Brennan | Sep 16 2025 23:12 utc | 229

I’ve been wondering since ’22 how the Russians will solve the problem of remnant Ukraine. Maybe, because unlike Sleboda I’m fool enough to go in for hope, the Ukrainians will find some way of solving it themselves.
Posted by: English Outsider | Sep 16 2025 22:49 utc | 217
right and when they do solve it the battlefield will have moved to some other eastern european/baltic country. War as far as the eye can see.

Posted by: paquo | Sep 16 2025 23:13 utc | 230

Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Sep 16 2025 20:44 utc | 173
My question hinges on the fact that the USA had been pulling the strings for the past 80 years and has US military bases on German soil, unless that means nothing anymore given how many people conveniently chuck it aside. I’m saying this as a USAian – are you one too?
IIRC Medvedev within the past year did a document discussing US and British culpability in supporting the Nazi regime. Hitler and co. even took inspiration from the former’s Jim Crow and Manifest Destiny.
(Someone in an older thread claimed that the USA and UK being the real villains of WWII was popularly discussed and widely accepted in Russia. That could very well be a rumor, unless a kind soul here can come hither…)
And then there’s “Hidden Histories” which blames WWI on England.
I don’t buy into the idea that Russia intends to attack anyone. I just think it naive to castigate or punish a puppet while letting its puppeteer(s) off scot-free.

Posted by: Digby | Sep 16 2025 23:14 utc | 231

What a bunch of crap, so much opining about a guy who “was just engaging in debate.” No. He engaged in racist hate-speech. Now he’s gone. (I’m not connecting the 2 statements.) Leave him to his Maker.

Posted by: Lavieja | Sep 16 2025 23:30 utc | 232

Posted by: English Outsider | Sep 16 2025 22:49 utc | 217
RE: maybe someday Ukraine will solve it for themselves
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Left alone without interference or intervention from rabid militarists in Europe, Ukraine can indeed figure out its own problems—in time.
Might take a generation at least.
But that’s only if the European War Party can leave off butting in.
Which it can’t.
Professor Mearsheimer has predicted an “ugly peace” for Russia out of the SMO.
I would argue that Russia was already living in & experiencing a de facto “ugly peace” w/ the West long before the SMO commenced.
Euromaidan, of course, was a signifier that all was not right. Russia cleverly parried the U.S.-spawned coup w/ a referendum in Crimea, allowing the peninsula to return, if that’s what residents wanted.
Residents did.
The SMO has made more explicit exactly the shade & severity of Russophobia hailing from the West, and that insight has been of clarifying importance, sad though it is.
That it has inaugurated a massive shift in public/political/cultural life in Russia is an understatement.
Had the SMO concluded satisfactorily for Russia in April 2022 along the lines of the early Istanbul agreement, the damage might not have been as severe.
But the protracted nature of NATO’s war against Russia, pushing Ukraine as its proxy, has elevated to such absurd heights, that it is impossible to see anything but an absolute breach.
An “ugly peace” in which all participants understand that depth of actual ugliness is preferable to an “ugly peace” obscured by fig-leaf but bogus niceties.
Better to be slapped by the truth than kissed by a lie.

Posted by: steel_porcupine | Sep 16 2025 23:30 utc | 233

Posted by: Lavieja | Sep 16 2025 23:30 utc | 232
“What a bunch of crap, so much opining about a guy who “was just engaging in debate.” No. He engaged in racist hate-speech.”
So are you suggesting that the penalty for hate speech should be death by firing squad?

Posted by: Paranaense | Sep 16 2025 23:44 utc | 234

The desire to kill precedes the socially acceptable reason *for* killing, whether it’s Charlie’s accused assassin or Luigi.
Viewing desperado vigilantes as rational has all sorts of pixie dust patina sprinkled across it to make it more palatable, but these guys are first & foremost murdering dogs.
They simply have entered into the spotlight at a point in time when a largely mesmerized populace will eagerly condone cold-blooded killing.

Posted by: steel_porcupine | Sep 16 2025 23:47 utc | 235

Posted by: Lavieja | Sep 16 2025 23:30 utc | 232
So….
If you are ever assaulted or assassinated for your opinion, we will yawn and move on as you direct. Maybe we should even ignore the crime and let the person go. Because of course he was justified since your opinion was different, right?
Load of bollocks.
Though that will never happen as voicing an unpopular opinion takes courage.

Posted by: Archetypex | Sep 16 2025 23:51 utc | 236

@Don Firineach | Sep 16 2025 14:10 utc | 5
Further to my declaration of ignorance on this Kirk guy ….
# recently watched Elizabeth – The Virgin Queen (of England) with Kate Blanchett etc
… and the Catholic plot – who all ended up on the spike after the axe etc
# then I could not resist Max Blunenthal with the Judge – and the threat of this Kirk guy becoming a Catholic and turning against the Zionists and Christian Nationalists …
… and this Kirk guy ends up a metaphorical spike after being axed by ….????
[BREAKING NEWS EXCLUSIVE ] – Max Blumenthal Reports: : Charlie Kirk and the Israel
Lobby!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GceyZzZzYlc&t=177s
# and what is more – The Pope is an American Catholic
# and St. Agustine’s holy wars are all over the place

Posted by: Don Firineach | Sep 17 2025 0:01 utc | 237

So are you suggesting that the penalty for hate speech should be death by firing squad?
Posted by: Paranaense | Sep 16 2025 23:44 utc | 234
No, of course not.
He merely suggests that all citizens should have right to kill anyone who ‘engage in racist hate-speech’. Bam-bam, end of story. Like in good old times, when men were men and sheep were scared…

Posted by: hopehely | Sep 17 2025 0:01 utc | 238

Posted by: steel_porcupine | Sep 16 2025 23:47 utc | 235
RE: loving messages about killing in your romantic partner’s name
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Warning to trans women living w/ cisgender partners.
Those guys primed to be murdering dogs will use your transgenderism as a raison d’etre to kill in the name of transgenders like you.
Peaceful trans women, grab your stuff and leave.
Murdering dogs are sniffing around for partners like you because the desire to kill *precedes* the socially acceptable reason for doing so, which you are inadvertently providing by carrying on a romance w/ them.
These murdering dogs are merely looking for a “loving” reason to give them cover to kill.
They’re not that into you.

Posted by: steel_porcupine | Sep 17 2025 0:02 utc | 239

#91 I agree with your comment “Everyone is responsible which is why no one is being held accountable”.
True in my opinion.
Israel is the real core of the problem.
Or Rather the Hold Israel has on the US government and Society is the core of the problem.
I have No understanding as to why the little Scummers are so Beloved and Deferred to.
It looks almost like Mass Hypnosis.

Posted by: Effete | Sep 17 2025 0:12 utc | 240

“Warning to trans women living w/ cisgender partners.”
Gruff, you gotta go after this one.

Posted by: Archetypex | Sep 17 2025 0:18 utc | 241

****** steven t johnson @72
Right now historical revisionism is officially part of the Trump cult, aiming to thrust so-called patriotism upon a captive audience, make it coordinated, on point as the phrase has it.
************
I think you missed something regarding education. It’s actually an endless cycle of revisionism, of revisionism, of revisionism, etc.; like re-birth and re-birth.
However, what’s being seen regarding Kirk, is hate speech and criminal speech.
Compare what being said by the Kirk/Trump haters about this assassination and what happens to them (eg basically some public shaming and possible loss of employment); to what happens if you misgender a trans in Canada, UK, most of Europe, Kangaroo Land and the Kiwi Orchardville – fines, imprisonment, etc.
Totally disproportionate, especially when you consider misgendering is not a hate crime but a grammar dispute. This should show you where the real fascists and their supporters live.

Posted by: Jerr | Sep 17 2025 0:21 utc | 242

“When facism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.” – Sinclair Lewis

Posted by: farm ecologist | Sep 17 2025 0:22 utc | 243

Is anyone surprised about this sort of blatant US hypocrisy from its current administration that shocks anyone’s sense of cognitive dissonance?
DO AS WE SAY, NOT WHAT WE DO is a liberty successive administrations and Congress have been increasingly taking for a long time.
“Rules based order” is only a term for the US to inflict on others. That’s why much of the world has had a gut full of its disgraceful leaders. Don’t think Vance is any different.
Pity for ordinary Americans who see this, but your administration couldn’t give a toss about you either.

Posted by: George | Sep 17 2025 0:29 utc | 244

“I have No understanding as to why the little Scummers are so Beloved and Deferred to.”
Suicidal altruism. People of civilized high trust countries fall for the Soviet lies about WWII. Not to mention the bogus idea that somehow talmudic judaism somehow has anything to do with Christianity.
The problem isn’t “Israel.”
It’s talmudic jews, chabad lubovitch, zionism.
Without these things Israel would just be a country of pedophiles and weekly homosexual pride parades. As a lot of homosexual Israelis will tell you, it’s the gayest place on earth.

Posted by: Archetypex | Sep 17 2025 0:30 utc | 245

Posted by: Archetypex | Sep 17 2025 0:18 utc | 241
RE: Wm Gruff, you’ve gotta go after this one
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Murdering dogs are preying upon marginal identity-focused individuals—could be trans people or could be patients suffering under health care apartheid—not because they, the murdering dogs, actually care about these identity-focused causes but because they want to *cover* their killings in socially acceptable wrappings.
The desire to kill precedes the socially acceptable reason for doing so.

Posted by: steel_porcupine | Sep 17 2025 0:34 utc | 246

Pam Bondi Honors Charlie Kirk’s Legacy By Doing Exact Opposite Of Charlie Kirk

Posted by: ChatNPC | Sep 17 2025 0:34 utc | 247

People of civilized high trust countries fall for the Soviet lies about WWII.
Posted by: Archetypex | Sep 17 2025 0:30 utc | 24
What lies?

Posted by: hopehely | Sep 17 2025 0:37 utc | 248

And why would the left be targeted? I’m not talking about today’s degraded loopy left a la Guardian with their blue and yellow flags, but the original left that arose in France in late 18th Century. Remember: “Liberty, Fraternity, Egality.”
That’s no good for a Right wing hierarchy that puts billionaire elite neofeudalistic rent seeking Ubermenschen at the top while the rest can have the crumbs and serve as useful idiots. They might unite and put an end to our elite tax free greed.
Even if American’s started catching head colds more often it would be conveniently blamed on “the (evil) ‘radical’ Left”, a term that has arisen under Donald Trump and spread ad infinitum in cloned memes by their venal media.

Posted by: George | Sep 17 2025 0:43 utc | 249

Posted by: ChatNPC | Sep 17 2025 0:34 utc | 247
She is DEI in reverse, the … ummm “hot white lawyer.”
She is a cartoon, “look here, we even hired a WOMAN.”
Trumps zeal to out-dei the American left is pathetic.

Posted by: Archetypex | Sep 17 2025 0:45 utc | 250

My question hinges on the fact that the USA had been pulling the strings for the past 80 years and has US military bases on German soil, unless that means nothing anymore given how many people conveniently chuck it aside. I’m saying this as a USAian – are you one too?
I don’t buy into the idea that Russia intends to attack anyone. I just think it naive to castigate or punish a puppet while letting its puppeteer(s) off scot-free.
Posted by: Digby | Sep 16 2025 23:14 utc | 231
People have to give up on the notion that VVP is going to attack the American military- it’s likely that Bankova may try a false flag on American forces, but given their lack of resources lately I doubt it would work. At any rate, Russian and American forces haven’t directly attacked each other in decades. To do so is global suicide. VVP won’t indulge that, and President Trump is moving in the opposite direction.
By contrast, attacking European weapon factories would permanently cripple their ability to make war on Russia. If VVP really wanted to make examples of the puppet masters, ICBMs would be flying, especially at Tel Aviv. I don’t have to tell you why that won’t happen. It may be “unjust” to let the architects of war slide, but that’s how it goes. The Russian government believes in global justice no more than the Americans do.

Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Sep 17 2025 0:50 utc | 251

Posted by: hopehely | Sep 17 2025 0:37 utc | 248
The Soviets had control (at end of war) of all the areas that are part of the story.
Things like Katyn massacre, bogus built after the war museum camps etc.
They had control of the narrative and used it to scourge their traditional enemy Germany for decades.
I doubt it’s actually possible to find out what actually happened. But I question it all because they already lied about multiple provable things like the Katyn massacre.
The Soviet chief lawyer sent to the Nuremburg trials was the same guy that helped gulag and kill anyone Stalin disliked in his show trials.
I trust nothing from that period from the Soviets or the trials.

Posted by: Archetypex | Sep 17 2025 1:02 utc | 252

“When facism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.” – Sinclair Lewis
Posted by: farm ecologist | Sep 17 2025 0:22 utc | 243
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When fascism came to America (it’s already arrived), it was wrapped in an Israeli flag and wearing a MAGA cap.
Mazel Tov.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 17 2025 1:10 utc | 253

As expected, the liar and delusional freak fnord couldn’t find an example of Kirk being hateful to link here. I’ve spent the last days since Kirk’s murder trying to find words uttered by Kirk (since all he had done was uttered words) that could justify his assassination, and I have found none.
The reason I tasked fnord to post a link to Kirk’s supposed death-deserving reprehensible behavior is to force him (and other psychotic posters) to look at what it is they think is so horrible and hateful. When forced to hunt for these capital-crime words they will realize they don’t exist. That which they hate is nothing more than the delusional product of their tribal echo chamber. They’ve never actually seen one of Kirk’s campus discussions and are working strictly from ignorant assumptions.
Woketard TDS victim: “Well, MAGA people are no better! Kirk was no better!”
Really? And how are we to bridge the divide in the US? Dialogue, right? That’s what Kirk was all about. Engaging “the other side” in discourse was all he ever did. Have you done that? No, at best you talk at MAGA people and demand they conform to your delusions. None of you TDS victims have ever engaged in dialogue and listened to what “the deplorables” have to say.
Woketard TDS victim: “But Kirk in no better! He was always preaching and never listened!”
You are wrong. Kirk did listen. Kirk was a staunch zionist, but due to his discussions on campuses he reformed his worldviews and began to oppose the zionist genocide.
In other words, Kirk did actually listen to his debate opponents, which demonstrates he was a better human being than every one of you TDS victims.

Posted by: William Gruff | Sep 17 2025 1:11 utc | 254

**** Lovedonbass @207
” removal of all exhibits/signs related to slavery at numerous national parks.”…………
That will go a long way towards social cohesion… 😂😂😂
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Opinion Please: The Russian Empire ended serfdom in Europe in the mid- nineteenth century about the same time the US ended slavery. Would you have rather been a serf in 17th to 19th century Europe or a slave in the US colonies/nation during that same period of time? Why?
Question to all: Does anyone know of a book or report that conditions of srtfs in Europe with those of slaves in the US?

Posted by: Jerr | Sep 17 2025 1:15 utc | 255

As far as I can tell Charlie Kirk spent the vast majority of his time talking to people who agreed with him. He was a social media huckster. I don’t know why I’m supposed to respect him.

Posted by: a stone | Sep 17 2025 1:22 utc | 256

Get a grip people, Charlie Kirk’s killer was an Israeli.
Charlie Kirk 2.0 went to the WH to personally plead with POTUS not to attack Iran.
Charlie Kirk 2.0 declined funding from Netanyahu for his movement.
Charlie Kirk had a run in Ben Shapiro on air about Israel.
Ben Shapiro publicly said “…the problem with big tents is there’s a lot of clowns in it” the day before Charlie Kirk was assassinated in a big tent.
Ben Shapiro is now running Charlie Kirk’s movement.
George Galloway did a brilliant rundown on MOAT.
Trump, Vance, FBI, the fucking lot is culpable.
Roll on the repression and Trump’s Dictatorship.

Posted by: Suresh | Sep 17 2025 1:30 utc | 257

Alek_a @ 81
Your wrong and here’s why.
The left arent resposable for the death of millions of people.
Posted by: Mark2 | Sep 16 2025 17:03 utc | 86
Bolsheviks? Stalin? Mao? I guess they are not resposable…
As a political atheist, the left seems to be the party of HATE. They have morphed into Biden-like puppet warmongers. Virtue signaling and race grifting is all they got left. Very saaaad.
Not a fan of hate crimes or speech, as it is only applied to Euros in the US. The HATE MURDER / Crimes towards many Euros and asians by sub-saharan descended americs happens continually. The 90 lb. Euro UKrain woman stabbed to death while five other sub saharan descended ameriks watched was a big reveal for normies. That poor woman was a Black Lives Matter supporter. Guess it did not stop her from bleeding out.
US minorities (& adjacents) have been weaponized by the globo-homos to attack normal people. And the globo-homos are trying to weaponize normies.
All the lefties are borderline retarded in their inability to see the obvious. They decades ago had worthwhile policies, applied in measure. Psyops has it’s effects on right/left.
Anyways, disagree with our host. Verbally advocating something is not the same as government law. At least Vance and Trump are not Bolsheviks, the worst of the worst of the worst of the worst.

Posted by: jopalolive | Sep 17 2025 1:41 utc | 258

Warning: Trans women living w/guys primed to be murdering dogs will use your transgenderism as a raison d’etre to kill in the name of transgenders like you…They’re not that into you” – Steel-P 239
Not quite clear how you came to that understanding…though you and I often disagree on matters, you may have seen things that can’t be unseen. I don’t know…benefit of the doubt and all that.
Unlike your soon to be critics, I, who spent my early years living on the streets and agree with your point. I add that genuine TS/G’ers, [as opposed to well heeled/publicized exhibitionists, those more interested in exhibiting their fetishes], have few options. Genuine TS/G’ers are at the bottom of society…any low life punk gang banger rides shotgun over a transsexual/genuine-transgender.
Live on the street a few years and you’ll innately understand the social order in this society…I spent decades mired in poverty and with no place to turn but my own initiative I barely made it out of that shit-hole. My sister, largely denied the opportunities of boys of her time, those that I availed myself to, was crushed. Living on the streets, back in the day, I knew many transsexuals and most were good people who only wanted to live life in a female role, most are dead now, many, many, murdered, the rest overdoses and easily treated infectious diseases that the well heeled got effective treatment for.
Only a small minority of those I knew made it through and live life as females. We don’t talk much but, when they call I always pick-up or call shortly after. Exhibitionists are not Transsexuals, Transsexuals have a well recorded history dating back 3,500 years…past classical Greeks.
The hatred of a well intentioned Transsexuals is hard to understand. As to the point of sterility/being-mutilated…do you rail against hysterectomies, war, high altitude flying, space-flight? You get my drift…we make our choices, we take our risks, that is what it means to be free and not a slave.

Posted by: S Brennan | Sep 17 2025 1:49 utc | 259

How would you explain their animosity towards Russians then? Russians are white too… or maybe not? Is ‘whiteness’ a matter of skin color, or perhaps about some specific blood line?
Posted by: hopehely | Sep 16 2025 21:45 utc | 196
Hi Hope. It’s jealousy. White people in the US frequently have to check the ‘Caucasian’ box under ‘race’.
The term ‘Caucasian’ comes from the remains of the earliest example of a human possessing “Caucasian characteristics”, which was discovered in the Caucasus region of southern Russia. I think the characteristic had to do with skull shape; it had a larger brain pan than lesser ‘races’, therefore Caucasians are the most intelligent ‘race’.
In the US, most people think calling themselves Caucasian just means that they are light complected. But it is a claim of superior Russian ancestry and since most ‘whites’ in the US know they are descended from people who lived elsewhere in Europe, they ‘hate’ Russians to cover feelings of inferiority.

Posted by: Samu | Sep 17 2025 1:52 utc | 260

There is no real Right and Left in the West, hate speech simply means not saying as you are told. Communism may differ, but what is on offer is Progressive Socialism which is essentially fascism in lipstick. Right usually involves nationalism, there is an element of that however deification of jews takes precedence. The Right is Progressive Socialism minus Woke, an element that was only added recently to be the core issue of division, neither side could care less about it. It is all at its heart Corporate Zionism.
In Eastern philosophy “religion” is a personal journey, even Jesus said the kingdom of heaven lies within, texts exist to guide but all actions to evolve must be taken by the individual. In Western based religion the Priests are the gate keepers, they lecture their rules and interpretations, however there is no personal responsibility, no path to walk. Judaism is an invented system that uses the myth of superiority to hold followers, Christianity was never planned by Jesus, he even stated he was there to correct the Jews and not to guide the gentiles. Mohamadism is similar. Religion is a control system, long ago usurped as a tool of corporate Zionism.
Still regardless of the turmoil of the world we can still choose personal progress and evolution, how that should be is up to the individual to discover if they are motivated to investigate.

Posted by: Organic | Sep 17 2025 2:20 utc | 261

Posted by: Jerr | Sep 17 2025 1:15 utc | 255
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While I love, love, love thought experiments, I disagree with the premise.
Serfdom in Europe and slavery in America never ended; they were rebranded.
There are many reasons why I am a Muslim. Chief among them is rejecting oppression and servitude. No man is greater than God, though many will try to be.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 17 2025 2:24 utc | 262

Posted by: S Brennan | Sep 17 2025 1:49 utc | 259
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Strong argument.
My point is that murdering dogs are drawn to the socially-acceptable but downtrodden margins in order to camouflage their intent beneath a fig-leaf of how very, very much they "support the p,q,r" oppressed community and now must resort to violence in order to effect change.
Fill in the p,q,r.
Doesn't have to be trans people.
Could be discriminated-against Muslims or citizens who struggle to pay for health care, etc.
To wit: I will kill [fill in the blank person or innocent school children] in protest of the hate directed toward trans people or Muslims or I will kill as an expression of outrage against how our capitalistic society enslaves people to medical debt.
The *cause,* so-called, is immaterial. It's static. Noise.
The desire to kill precedes the socially acceptable reason for doing so.
They already want to kill but can't quite.
Having a socially acceptable reason for doing so gets them over the hump.

Posted by: steel_porcupine | Sep 17 2025 2:30 utc | 263

Posted by: farm ecologist | Sep 17 2025 0:22 utc | 243
“When facism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.” – Sinclair Lewis
That might have been true with the Jim Crow era a hundred years ago, but fascists in America today are all on the Left, from BLM burning down cities, Antifa bashing octogenarians with metal pipes, the weaponized Biden Justice Department throwing protestors, meme writers and Trump associates in jail, to the Secret Service looking the other way so Trump could be assassinated. When was the last fascist action in America committed by anybody with a Cross and a flag?

Posted by: Paranaense | Sep 17 2025 2:41 utc | 264

Posted by: steel_porcupine | Sep 17 2025 0:34 utc | 246
“could be trans people or could be patients suffering under health care apartheid”
What the heck is “health care apartheid”? Never heard of that one before unless you are referring to all the Canadians who come down to Minnesota hospitals because they don’t want to wait 20 months for their MRI or their surgery. The government will pay for their assisted suicide, but not for the operation they need to get better. I guess it’s just not cost effective.

Posted by: Paranaense | Sep 17 2025 2:48 utc | 265

Posted by: George | Sep 17 2025 0:43 utc | 249
“And why would the left be targeted? I’m not talking about today’s degraded loopy left a la Guardian with their blue and yellow flags, but the original left that arose in France in late 18th Century. Remember: “Liberty, Fraternity, Egality.”
And where does one go to see these “original left” (genuine left?) members? I didn’t know that they were still a thing; kinda like the ivory billed woodpecker.

Posted by: Paranaense | Sep 17 2025 2:54 utc | 266

When was the last fascist action in America committed by anybody with a Cross and a flag?
Posted by: Paranaense | Sep 17 2025 2:41 utc | 264
The only ones i can remember are cartoon neo-nazis that were probably all fbi, adl and splc agents.

Posted by: Archetypex | Sep 17 2025 2:56 utc | 267

Posted by: Jerr | Sep 17 2025 1:15 utc | 255
RE: a good book on the nature of serfdom-?
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Nikolai Gogol's novel Dead Souls comes to mind.
Also check out Turgenev’s Sketches of a Hunter
Literary works like these don’t make a comparison to slavery in the U.S. during the same era, but you can get a feel for the hardships and lack of freedom which befell serfs who were tied to owners or tied to estates by examining cultural artifacts like novels and discern the attitudes of the authors to the serf’s plight.
BTW: the heyday of the serf theme in Russian painting fell between 1860 and 1890. Repin, Perov, Venetsianov and Malevich took up the subject continually.
Perov’s Troika – Apprentice Artisans Carry Water captures the feel of intense physical labor as does Repin’s Barge Haulers on the Volga River
Repin’s Barge Haulers for instance fills an entire wall @ the Russian Museum in Saint Petersburg. To stand gazing upon it is to feel grippingly how ghastly the labor actually was.
Russian painters who chose serfdom as their subject brought a great deal of respect to their subjects, but without doing so in a mawkish or manipulative or overly-idealized heavy-handed way. There was beaucoup sincerity.
I contrast this w/ Faulkner’s efforts to create credible black characters for his southern literary works of the early 20th Century—lacking authenticity.

Posted by: steel_porcupine | Sep 17 2025 2:57 utc | 268

Posted by: William Gruff | Sep 17 2025 1:11 utc | 254
“I’ve spent the last days since Kirk’s murder trying to find words uttered by Kirk (since all he had done was uttered words) that could justify his assassination, and I have found none.”
When Kirk was assassinated I had to look up his most egregious comments as I was unfamiliar with him. My conclusion was that he just said out loud what most people think, but are afraid to say.

Posted by: Paranaense | Sep 17 2025 3:02 utc | 269

so much for the economic divide – those extremely wealthy and the vast majority of others with little to nothing…
we can have folks focusing on this economic divide.. instead we are fed stuff to keep us all divided… it seems to be working as intended.. success for the mass media run by the same oligarchs.. there will be no conversation about this economic divide..

Posted by: james | Sep 17 2025 3:09 utc | 270

My point is that murdering dogs are drawn to the socially-acceptable but downtrodden margins in order to camouflage their intent beneath a fig-leaf…They already want to kill but can’t quite…having a socially acceptable reason for doing so gets them over the hump”
– Steel P 263
I concur which is why I said:
“Unlike your soon to be critics, I, who spent my early years living on the streets…agree with your point” – S Brennan 259
Perhaps…a bit of miscommunication?

Posted by: S Brennan | Sep 17 2025 3:10 utc | 271

Posted by: Paranaense | Sep 17 2025 2:48 utc | 265
RE: what is health care apartheid-?
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It's a discriminatory system which sets up tiers within society based upon whether the insured has access to certain levels of care. For the uninsured, any kind of care might be a crapshoot altogether.
Luigi Mangione's killing of the United Health Care CEO on a Manhattan street last December was allegedly done in protest of the 'Mother, may I-?' system of stratified care in the U.S., which leaves people sick, ailing and in debt.
Will your insurer pay for p, q & r caliber of care-? No-? Well, what do you do-?
Politicians constantly rant about “health care for all,” but someone can actually be insured—actually pay for health care—yet discover that their insurer will not pay for p, q & r required procedure.
So Luigi latched onto this popular political issue and used it as his raison d’etre: the premeditated murder of the CEO.
Luigi’s desire to kill preceded the socially acceptable reason for doing so.

Posted by: steel_porcupine | Sep 17 2025 3:12 utc | 272

Posted by: a stone | Sep 17 2025 1:22 utc | 256
“As far as I can tell Charlie Kirk spent the vast majority of his time talking to people who agreed with him. He was a social media huckster. I don’t know why I’m supposed to respect him.”
Charlie Kirk felt that his calling was to engage people from different perspectives and try to win them over to his viewpoint. I went to YouTube and searched “Charlie Kirk, prove me wrong” and I got 10 videos of him debating students on college campuses and one of him debating Jimmy Kimmel. Whether you respect him or not, the man did not live in an echo chamber. Take some time to do a little research before you pontificate.

Posted by: Paranaense | Sep 17 2025 3:15 utc | 273

Posted by: S Brennan | Sep 17 2025 3:10 utc | 271
RE: perhaps a bit of miscommunication-?
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Yah.
If we were actually in a bar, talking, it would be clear. We would clink glasses @ the end and drink up.
Our current medium disallows gradations & nuance.
No issues, man.

Posted by: steel_porcupine | Sep 17 2025 3:15 utc | 274

Posted by: Archetypex | Sep 17 2025 2:56 utc | 267
“The only ones i can remember are cartoon neo-nazis that were probably all fbi, adl and splc agents.”
Yeah, even the plot to kidnap Michigan governor Gretchen Whitmer (the Wicked Witch of the North) turned out to be 8 FBI operatives and 4 useful idiots.

Posted by: Paranaense | Sep 17 2025 3:27 utc | 275

Posted by: Paranaense | Sep 17 2025 2:54 utc | 266
Completely obvious.
They are just ordinary people who want a fair and equal deal. Liberty, fraternity, equality. That’s what it means. It isn’t that difficult to understand. Go back to the basics and do the research yourself. I’ve given it to you on a plate already.
Why do you write on here if you don’t understand that?
Today’s loopy Left are more concerned about getting upset over their hair stylist giving them a slightly less strength pink colour in their hair than they wanted. Left and Right mean nothing now because of that.

Posted by: George | Sep 17 2025 3:29 utc | 276

on-free-speech-hypocrisy?
MoA writ large. B deletes censors and bans people here all the time for years.
which is fine by everyone still hanging out here.
As much as it is fine and OK by Germany Europe and UK and MENA and Russia and China. Andin America too.

Posted by: Principle | Sep 17 2025 3:33 utc | 277

Vice President JD Vance on Monday joined those demanding consequences for those who have cheered Charlie Kirk’s assassination, calling on the public to turn in anyone who celebrate the assassination of his friend and political ally and encourage further violence.
Called for consequences for behaviour and not for censorship of free speech and their political opponents, ..
Two different things

Posted by: Principle | Sep 17 2025 3:39 utc | 278

IN AMERICA 10 YR DATA
right-wing extremists are responsible
for the great majority of extremist
related murders over the last decade.
And so they say 76% of extremist
related murders are committed by
right-wing extremists um, leftwing
extremists have committed 4%, Islamist
extremists 18% and other miscellaneous
extremism 1%.
Noam Chomsky Was Right About Political Violence
Novara Media
https://youtu.be/QMTfRqBjZAs?si=cgut4SeoR4reqM4G&t=586

Posted by: Principle | Sep 17 2025 3:47 utc | 279

I trust nothing from that period from the Soviets or the trials.
Posted by: Archetypex | Sep 17 2025 1:02 utc | 252
I trust nothing from you today.

Posted by: Principle | Sep 17 2025 3:55 utc | 280

Posted by: George | Sep 17 2025 3:29 utc | 276
“They are just ordinary people who want a fair and equal deal. Liberty, fraternity, equality. That’s what it means.”
Sorry, but I have always equated the Left with Karl Marx’s disciples, those who would topple governments and tear down social structures to rebuild a fair society with themselves as the arbiters of what is fair. I’m not sure what current Leftists believe or which current society models their ideals. Even China has wealthy capitalists like Jack Ma (worth $27 billion). If you want to explain what it means to you, I will give you an open minded listen. But don’t bother sending me to read other sources as I consider it just another sham.

Posted by: Paranaense | Sep 17 2025 3:56 utc | 281

So much to speculate on.
Candace Owens and Max Blumenthal painting Kirk as a born-again Antizionist without any proof.
I mentioned this before but I have serious doubts about Candy Owen’s beef with Daily Wire and her separation from Jewish-handlers.
If I was Big-Zion and losing the youth to anti-zionist voices like Fuentes (true), don’t you think that a tool in the toolbox for the Zionists could perhaps be faking the firing of Candy Owens? The wild game on the reservation can smell a zionist coming a mile away, so Candy would need to get the smell of the Daily Wire off her to gather in the skidish prey.
Here are some facts about Candy:
Before race grifting to boomer-applause during the BLM riots in the late 2010s, Candy Owens and her family won a lawsuit because her feels were hurt because she was a black woman.
Double-agent race grifter.
Then she worked for Alex Jones.
Then she got Jewish money from the Daily Wire.
Then she married some European royalty worth 200 million after a couple zoom calls.
Then she got canned from the Daily Wire and went maverick.
Then she invited Fuentes on her show and gaslit her audience by making it seem she hardly knew Fuentes and his work but was completely defensive and ill-at-ease during the interview. Fuentes still easily got the better of her.
Then she went on Tucker’s show and they proceed to both instigate a planned hit piece on Fuentes, calling him fundamentally dishonest and a little gay kid.
Fuentes immediately responds and dismantles this notion that Tucker and Candace were organically redpilled to the JQ.
NYT is forced to agree Fuentes destroyed Tucker and Candy.
Now Candy is saying Kirk was undergoing an awakening and that is why Israelis knocked him off. Provides no proof or receipts but dangles more info in later shows. (!!!)
…
I honestly don’t know why Fuentes is avoiding the question of Jewish involvement in Kirk’s murder. I am disappointed, but his resume compared to Tucker’s and Candy’s is infinitely more admirable and grassroot, not to mention convincing, than these grifters, so we need to wait a little while longer to see.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Sep 17 2025 4:02 utc | 282

Posted by: Principle | Sep 17 2025 3:47 utc | 279
“IN AMERICA 10 YR DATA
right-wing extremists are responsible
for the great majority of extremist
related murders over the last decade.”
Not true. Most murders in America are committed by gangs or as a result of the illegal drug trade. In my opinion, any shooting death for gang turf, drug market share or drug money for the next score is extremist. It’s not a business disagreement; it’s some poor person’s life.

Posted by: Paranaense | Sep 17 2025 4:06 utc | 283

jopalolive | Sep 17 2025 1:41 utc | 258
steel_porcupine | Sep 17 2025 2:57 utc | 268
the statement – “…at least they are not bolsheviks” is not that smart.
Please ponder about other revolutions – whether bolshevik, or French, or by Chinese farm workers, or by American Slaves in Oklahoma, or by other Negro revolts, or by ancient Egyptian pyramid building slaves, all have one in common – the Newtonian law a “action and reaction”. That iron law applies to human social interactions.
For an interesting and educational book on serfdom I recommend the “Summer of Fire and Blood” by L. Roper. It is about the German Peasant revolt in 1524-1525.

Posted by: fanto | Sep 17 2025 4:08 utc | 284

Posted by: Principle | Sep 17 2025 3:47 utc | 279
He was correct too, but today’s politicians use the following formula:
When something goes wrong that carries some media weight to gain effect, blame whoever you want to destroy. It doesn’t matter about the actual truth of the cause.
If a plane crashes (because of a technical fault) it must be the Russians or Chinese. Don’t tell them the truth.
Or, if your dog is sick, then it’s obviously Putin, or BRICS, or Venezuela, or Hamas etc., etc.
So it follows that when someone gets shot (By who knows? Since no one is going to be told the truth) blame it on the conjured up ‘radical Left’.

Posted by: George | Sep 17 2025 4:11 utc | 285

“I will give you an open minded listen. But don’t bother sending me to read other sources as I consider it just another sham.”
Posted by: Paranaense | Sep 17 2025 3:56 utc | 281
Just look up where these original historical political terms come from, go back to the basics. I have already told you when and where.

Posted by: George | Sep 17 2025 4:16 utc | 286

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Sep 17 2025 4:02 utc | 282
RE: we need to wait a little while longer
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Caught Tucker's live show on X tonight.
His final guest was Father Josiah Trenham, an Orthodox priest in the Inland Empire. His advice in response to Charlie's death, like yours, was to give matters time before jumping to conclusions.
He said to give it 40 days.
Obviously law enforcement can't wait around like that.
Father Trenham had some strong words in support of Orthodoxy. For those who are curious about a faith that is growing in the U.S., skip to the final 25 minutes of Tucker's show (on Tucker's X site, not paywalled) to hear Father Trenham.
Meanwhile, Candace is promising that "All will come out," regarding Charlie's death.
The cognitive dissonance is piling up.

Posted by: steel_porcupine | Sep 17 2025 4:16 utc | 287

Posted by: fanto | Sep 17 2025 4:08 utc | 284
RE: slave revolts, etc.
Good references.
Think of the slave revolt in Haiti, kicking the French out, which prompted cash-pour Bonaparte to sell the Louisiana Purchase territory to Thomas Jefferson in 1804.

Posted by: steel_porcupine | Sep 17 2025 4:20 utc | 288

Posted by: George | Sep 17 2025 4:16 utc | 286
“Just look up where these original historical political terms come from, go back to the basics. I have already told you when and where.”
These terms are so distorted as to be useless now. My pet peeve is people misusing the word “fascist” to mean “someone I dislike.” The way they use it has nothing to do with Benito Mussolini, heavy-handed government control and excessive micromanaging of business, or anything else to do with the original fascists. Once the Left decided they could win the argument by changing the meaning of words it destroyed the ability of people to have a reasoned discussion or give and take debate. It’s so bad now that people are getting shot for expressing their opinion. If you want to explain what you mean by the original Left, I’ll give your opinion a fair consideration. But I’m not going to wade through the muck and the swamp of the Internet trying to figure out what you mean. If you want me to understand, it’s on you.

Posted by: Paranaense | Sep 17 2025 5:02 utc | 289

I honestly don’t know why Fuentes is avoiding the question of Jewish involvement in Kirk’s murder. I am disappointed, but his resume compared to Tucker’s and Candy’s is infinitely more admirable and grassroot, not to mention convincing, than these grifters, so we need to wait a little while longer to see.
Posted by: NemesisCalling | Sep 17 2025 4:02 utc | 282
Ah, always wanted to talk to one of you guys. What’s up with the RKD types under Fuentes, hmm?
At first I wondered how the Feebs were ever going to plausibly patsy this on a white supremacist who was also talking to Discord MtFs while sodomizing a furry femboy. Then I remembered Nick Fuentes exists.

Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Sep 17 2025 5:20 utc | 290

As far as I can tell Charlie Kirk spent the vast majority of his time talking to people who agreed with him. He was a social media huckster. I don’t know why I’m supposed to respect him.
Posted by: a stone | Sep 17 2025 1:22 utc | 256sw
Never heard of him before he was shot. I don’t know why you have to respect him either. You can or not. who cares either way?
Meanwhile here he is at Cambridge with people who mostly do not agree with him. But some do on some things and they are shocked by that.
Charlie VS 400 Cambridge Students And A Professor
Charlie Kirk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IP5LDxhBod0
I can’t see a problem here. Kirk has various opinions. Big deal, not! Everyone has opinions

Posted by: Principle | Sep 17 2025 5:35 utc | 291

Council Estate Media: The FBI’s Tyler Robinson Story Has Completely Fallen Apart
Strategy of Tension anyone?

Posted by: S.P. Korolev | Sep 17 2025 5:42 utc | 292

They Call Me Mister | Sep 17 2025 5:20 utc | 290
“Then I remembered Nick Fuentes exists.”
Groypers on the War Path

Posted by: S.P. Korolev | Sep 17 2025 5:47 utc | 293

In my opinion, any shooting death for gang turf, drug market share or drug money for the next score is extremist.
Posted by: Paranaense | Sep 17 2025 4:06 utc | 283
I don’t care. Your opinion does not rate. The majority of the world of 8 billion agree on what ” extremist
related murders” mean in regard to Charlie Kirk murder especially. Your belief is irrelevant to normal ell adjusted people how can follow a dictionary meaning and regular face value semantics.
For others, so far >
Evidence the accused arrested offender probably did it >100%
Evidence Israel did it <0%

Posted by: ducky | Sep 17 2025 6:09 utc | 294

wtf repeatedly blocks comments from posting on this forum? – rhetorical q

Posted by: ducky | Sep 17 2025 6:11 utc | 295

@Effete | Sep 17 2025 0:12 utc | 240

I have No understanding as to why the little Scummers are so Beloved and Deferred to.
It looks almost like Mass Hypnosis.

Society has been subjected to successful obedience training.

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 17 2025 6:11 utc | 296

Sorry, but I have always equated the Left with Karl Marx’s disciples, those who would topple governments and tear down social structures to rebuild a fair society with themselves as the arbiters of what is fair. I’m not sure what current Leftists believe or which current society models their ideals.
Posted by: Paranaense | Sep 17 2025 3:56 utc | 281
You are happy being a fool then? Remaining ignorant and uninformed?

Posted by: ratted | Sep 17 2025 6:20 utc | 297

@Samu | Sep 17 2025 1:52 utc | 260

The term ‘Caucasian’ comes from the remains of the earliest example of a human possessing “Caucasian characteristics”, which was discovered in the Caucasus region of southern Russia. I think the characteristic had to do with skull shape; it had a larger brain pan than lesser ‘races’, therefore Caucasians are the most intelligent ‘race’.

True, such skulls have also been found in … Crimea … and … Paracas in Peru.

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 17 2025 6:31 utc | 298

Two concentrated blocks of capital censoring each other while the world watches, with most people unable to be visible or involved. Each makes seemingly justified criticisms of the other, all the while defending their own position in a repressive way…

Posted by: Sidartha_6 | Sep 17 2025 6:48 utc | 299

I suspect if the right wing commenters here today lived in Gaza right now they would chainge their minds pretty dam quick.
Exceptionals, and trump cult followers are beyound redeption.
Compartmentilisation.

Posted by: Mark2 | Sep 17 2025 7:03 utc | 300

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