The Bluesky left is in a baaaad way, and given that we’re less than a year in to Trump 2.0- things are going to get much worse for them.
Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Sep 16 2025 15:42 utc | 42
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And then what?
Americans have been gaslit into destroying themselves.
Never forget that Ivanka and Jared vacationed with the Soros family in 2016.
They are laughing at the Hoi Polloi as Bob and Billy rip each other to shreds.
That you think you have a “side” in this means you’re doing as directed.
If I was an American, I would detach and look for ways to de-escalate. There is no profit for the average American in right vs. left.
Now, I despise Empire. It is racist, violent, immoral, and Satanic, I will not shed a tear when the famines and forced death of homeless people come, because that is exactly where this is headed.
Look at Russia and China. Neither have ruling oligarchies shredding the social fabric.
The West is entirely run by Oligarchs. Zionist Real-Estate Zionists who human trafficking their employee’s daughters.
Yes, pieces of shit talk death and murder. This is turning out to be the perfect distraction from Epstein and Israel.
The response, if not the assassination, is clearly contrived.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 16 2025 18:00 utc | 104

Posted by: Tom Maples | Sep 16 2025 14:18 utc | 7
RE: mental pathologies in celebrating the assassination of Charlie Kirk
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People have been surprised to discover that they cannot cheer Charlie's public murder w/ impunity.
People have posted praise for the assassination on social media, and teachers have even shown the video of the shot to Charlie's carotid to schoolchildren, as if they thought it was normal to do this.
Others are losing their jobs for expressing glee @ Charlie's demise. These people are saying it in public for the world to see, as if they believe it is widely accepted behavior.
Their sense of cultural norms, or even human ethics, is so distorted it's as though they have been mesmerized into a fairy tale version of reality that does not exist.
It's the essence of what Joe Rogan described as "mass psychosis" during the pandemic. Notice, too, that the acolytes of those who forcefully promulgated the vaccine mandates & other harsh pandemic-era restrictions are the ones mesmerized to the max.

Posted by: steel_porcupine | Sep 16 2025 18:01 utc | 106

good question, and please understand the callousness of myself and others – in a better world one might reference some murder victims to be unmourned and leave it at that.
Posted by: Felix | Sep 16 2025 16:21 utc | 66
If Kirk was an antivaxxer, refused to get vaccinated, got measles and died, I would understand. You wanted to be a daredevil, oops.
But this is different. To celebrate murder of the member of your community is so myopic and foolish. Because they could be targeted too. For whatever reason. Why not? And thinking nah, I am safe because I am a good guy, well, no I am not. I would not feel safe living among people who think murder is not a crime.
But Americans still have that Wild West cowboy thing in them so maybe they still think it is cool to live the Dodge City / Tombstone lifestyle where shooting people is fun. Savages.

Posted by: hopehely | Sep 16 2025 18:04 utc | 108

“Vance adopted a confrontational tone, accusing European politicians of what he said was a fear of their own people and warned them that the real threat against their democracy was not from Russia or China.”
Should one laugh or cry? Who has had a lasting influence on the lives of European peoples through their foreign policy? Of course, the transatlantic puppets are afraid. The US even dictated the German constitution itself, or what else could have been established in the western occupation zone?
Incidentally, the new president of the Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution in Germany is Sinan Selen (a Turkish citizen until 2019).
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.hurriyetdailynews.com/amp/turkish-born-security-expert-to-lead-germanys-spy-agency-213609
Vance could also take a look around his own country.
https://verfassungsblog.de/free-speech-khalil-palestine-us/
“The Death Knell for American Free Speech Tradition
The Trump Administration’s Targeting of Immigrants for Public Expressions of Support for Palestinian Human Rights”
I don’t believe Vance is being hypocritical, but rather that he is genuinely stupid.
The fog of politics often puts people in positions that make even the fox guarding the henhouse look like an amateur.

Posted by: BlindSpot | Sep 16 2025 18:07 utc | 110

Posted by: steel_porcupine | Sep 16 2025 18:05 utc | 109
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Johnny Cash had enough of a finger on the pulse of American society to allow room for remorse.

Posted by: steel_porcupine | Sep 16 2025 18:09 utc | 112

Posted by: hopehely | Sep 16 2025 17:31 utc | 96
Yes. Nor Oswald. Mr. Stone was correct about that.
IMO You might want to listen to Col. MacGregor’s talk yesterday with Col. Daniels.
I always thought it was damned coincidental that the people who chose to shoot at these people just happened to also be more than expert shots. The Kirk shot was almost 200 yards. Ever shoot a rifle? The shooter would have to have logged thousands of hours on the range and there would be records of that. Another ‘coincedence’ is all three were supposed to be lone shooters. Same MO and Cui Bono?

Posted by: Ralph Conner | Sep 16 2025 18:14 utc | 114

Posted by: steel_porcupine | Sep 16 2025 18:09 utc | 112
RE: expressing remorse
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Golda Meir comes to mind, too.
After Israel's war in 1967 she said at some point we will forgive Arabs for killing our sons & brothers, but we will never forgive them for forcing us to kill their sons & brothers.
It's the essence of shooting an enemy dead while crying simultaneously.
When I read of Meir's concept, I felt it belonged culturally to a post-Nakba world dominated by a belligerent apartheid government like Israel's—that Meir's sentiment would in no way *fit* in the U.S., for instance.
However, Meir's sentiment does indeed *fit* within an Army Of The Mesmerized in the U.S. who see themselves dwelling within an existential war against an adversary who must die at all costs.
Where Meir described regret accompanying every pull of the trigger—“kill & cry”—what we’re seeing in the wake of Charlie’s death is “kill & gloat.”

Posted by: steel_porcupine | Sep 16 2025 18:20 utc | 116

…..Incidentally, the new president of the Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution in Germany is Sinan Selen….
This office is effectively a Censor.
One suspects that Sinan is not an ethnic Turk, since Sinan is most famously known as the “Jewish Pirate”
https://esefarad.com/sinan-the-great-jew-jewish-pirate/
and
https://kankanjournal.com/a1003/

Posted by: Exile | Sep 16 2025 18:21 utc | 118

Posted by: Bakunin65 | Sep 16 2025 17:59 utc | 103
None of what you say about conservatism is true. Not one letter.
I have no idea how you come to believe that. May god help you.

Posted by: alek_a | Sep 16 2025 18:23 utc | 120

*** is plenty enough to chill the exercise of freedom of speech.
Posted by: Otto Penn | Sep 16 2025 17:34 utc | 97
Your point is valid – a “vow” by a government to pursue a prosecutorial action can chill free speech and therefore can be vindicated in the Courts by a person whose speech has been chilled. What I have said (probably unclearly) is that the individualy whose speech is chilled by statements made by Vance does not have a (hypotheical) strong case for many reasons.
And you are also correct that such a “vow” may be actionable because a speaker has been put in fear of legal action, even if the speaker may ultimately prevail, because the process is the punishment.

Posted by: frithguild | Sep 16 2025 18:26 utc | 122

Tyler Robinson wasn’t a great shot.
He was aiming for Kirk’s head.
He missed because he didn’t account for bullet drop from the range.

Posted by: William Gruff | Sep 16 2025 18:34 utc | 124

I scrolled through a lot of comments, but folks seem to miss this point:
1. Administration and Fox News martyr Charlie Kirk. Flags at half mast, and canonize him endlessly.
2. People are like, WTF, and, using his words, explain why they don’t give two $h!ts about his death.
3. This then conflated to be described as celebrating his death.
It was a perfect set-up to restrict speech even further, and the people who are falling from it on the right are further restricting their speech when this appraoch gets turned onto them.

Posted by: StamMan | Sep 16 2025 18:44 utc | 126

fnord @121:
You’re hurting my feefees.
You should die.
Maybe you will before this all plays out.
By the way, provide a link to Kirk celebrating the death of protesters. I’ve not seen that and I think you are lying to cover your bloodthirsty psychosis.

Posted by: William Gruff | Sep 16 2025 18:47 utc | 128

@ Cabe | Sep 16 2025 16:36 utc | 71
i share your viewpoint…
no one knows who and what the reason was for charlie kirk assassination.. the ”authorities” might pin it on someone, but who benefits from all this?? speculation is easy, but not always accurate… here we are how many years after jfk’s assassination?? who benefits?

Posted by: james | Sep 16 2025 18:52 utc | 130

All these things can be true at the same time:
The United States government is hypocritical about many things that it supports and does.
JD Vance as a representative of the US government is not hypocritical specifically for chastising the EU for criminalizing free speech while condemning but not criminalizing the free speech of those who celebrated the murder of Kirk.
Calling for accountability for these people from employers is not criminalizing.
I do amend my original statement in this way: I will agree that all speech is political speech–since who is to say what is political speech or not?–so therefore celebrations of Kirk’s murder is political speech. But employers in the United States can abosolutely fire employees for their political speech if they as an employer don’t want to be assoicated with it. This is not a hypocritical violation of the letter or the spirit of the First Amendment, nor is calling for these people to be fired.
I do not like the incitement exception to the First Amendment because I think it can and has been abused as an excuse to restrict speech that may or may not really be incitement. I know there are narrow legal definitions of incitement but I still don’t like having any exceptions to absloute free speech.
But asbolute free speech absolutely can come with all kinds of consequences that do not constitute criminal prosecution by the government.
If you openly celebrate the murder of a widely beloved person, mock his wife and children, and call for the same to happen to all people who loved him, then those people who loved him are going to find a way to fuck you up. It serves as an outlet for their grief. It’s therapeutic, and feels proper, fitting, and just, to get your repulsive ass fired from your job by using your own self-published statements.
I watched this campaign unfold in amazement on Twitter for the first 72 hours after the shooting. I’ve never seen anything like it. Relentless energy and ice-cold, clearheaded vengeance. Thousands have been fired less than a week after Charlie’s death. Elon Musk fired 2000 in one chop. Thousands more will be purged, because that’s what it is: a purge. More than 60,000 submissions have been received so far documenting people who celebrated the murder.
Ironically, many of them said “karma is a bitch” in reference to Charlie getting shot.

Posted by: Tom Maples | Sep 16 2025 19:04 utc | 132

For a society that normalized then celebrated and even rewarded politically motivated violence against its own citizens, and what that amounts to, have a look at Ukraine. This fundamentally isn’t a free speech issue, which also means it can’t be resolved via restrictions on speech, although the sort of public shaming that Vance seems to be suggesting as a consequence are not a restriction on speech. This is a much broader issue of degrading morals in a split society that requires unifying events in order to be offset, some kind of single and inclusive goal or vision which is lacking, while disproportionately harsh reactions will only exacerbate the problem.

Posted by: Skiffer | Sep 16 2025 19:05 utc | 134

Say what you like charles kirk definatly lost the gun debate,

Posted by: Mark2 | Sep 16 2025 19:15 utc | 136

Patroklos # 131
Yes. Finally someone gets it.
hopehely @ 127
He was not wanted merely dead. He was wanted dead in a splashy public way. The public splash is why there are all these loose ends that don’t add up. That doesn’t much matter, no one ever looks closely but ‘conspiracy theorists’.
No one pays attention to much. Kirk was married in Jerusalem. Where all good Christian family types go to get married. Kind of cuts out all the family who aren’t traveling that far. But then Erika’s family seems to be Jewish and Charlie’s family something of a mystery.

Posted by: oldhippie | Sep 16 2025 19:22 utc | 138

That’s all very well and might satisfy one’s primitive urge for vengeance, but what happens once the Dems gain power again? Do you think they will forgive and forget or will they think ‘it”s our turn now, suck it up’?
Be careful what you wish for…
Posted by: ChatNPC | Sep 16 2025 18:00 utc | 105
We’ll get the same from them no matter how we react now.
Won’t make a dimes worth of difference.
They are an enemy that supports killing us for disagreeing with them.
It’s not like they’re going to say, whoa, take it easy on these guys, they were so fair and respectful the last go round.
They’d do the exact opposite while calling us suckers for not hitting them hard when we had the chance.

Posted by: Archetypex | Sep 16 2025 19:25 utc | 140

@ Posted by: William Gruff | Sep 16 2025 18:47 utc | 128
Where did I say that Kirk deserved to be shot? And the issue, for everyone except for the right on this matter, is not our feelings, but the everyday realities we have to live under, under legal codes which people Mr. Kirk urge the adoption of, which restrict our liberty to be non-conformists to the cisheteropatriarchal lifestyle that people like Kirk believe we should all be forced to live under, no matter how much we chafe against it, no matter how stifling it is, no matter how much violence (statal, familial, clerical) is required to keep people within its boundaries.
You can easily find Kirk’s statements on a variety of matters. He cheered when the murderer Kyle Rittenhouse was acquitted of murder, and publicly hung out with him, fetting him as a reactionary hero for the murder of two protesters. Rittenhouse had fired shots at a crowd of marchers, and two men attempted to disarm him. He murdered them in cowardice even though he was the one with the deadly weapon and the one who had fired the first shots at the crowd. The men who really acted in self-defense were pilloried by reactionary demagogues like Kirk, accusing one of being a pedophile, which is rich given their taste for the current president, a known and confirmed pedophile. Their past crimes were used against them in order to slander their names, even though their actions in the moment were entirely selfless and self-defensive. The evidence of Rittenhouse’s actions was suppressed arbitrarily by a politically motivated and reactionary judge, and an equally motivated prosecution team just allowed that to happen, because they, too, believed that the 2020 protesters deserved to die. (One of the witnesses, out of a principled but stupid anarchist stance, refused to take the stand against Rittenhouse, as well). It was very much like Kent State, where the right publicly celebrated the deaths of the Kent State protesters, and even conducted a riot that forced the NYC government to raise the flag from half staff where it was for the students who were murdered at Kent State.
Right-wing bloodlust is everywhere for the world to see. You even see it in this comment section when right-wing lunatics rave against “trannies”, the current moral panic du jour, who they would like to see excluded from society if not outright killed for the “crime” of being non-conformist to their assigned sex. The witchhunt for gender non-conformists that erupted after Mr. Kirk’s death, before they found out it was some white guy from a mormon family who was presumably “raised the right way”, speaks for itself. People with eyes to see and ears to hear and heads not filled with hate toward trans people can see the facts as they are. The last one clouds the vision and hearing of a lot of people here.

Posted by: fnord | Sep 16 2025 19:29 utc | 142

Posted by: Mark2 | Sep 16 2025 19:15 utc | 136
RE: Charlie Kirk lost the gun debate
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"My father was a gambler down in Georgia. He wound up on the wrong end of a gun" – Allman Bros., Ramblin’ Man
Used to have endless debates about this lyric, wondering really which end of the gun is the wrong end.
Plenty of people don’t answer it like one thinks (or as Greg Allman surely intended.)

Posted by: steel_porcupine | Sep 16 2025 19:37 utc | 144

fnord @ 142
What are you going on about? No one here is campaigning against TGs. Any place where you find TG with any frequency they are privileged and protected, invulnerable. It only makes me sad that dupes are manipulated into self-mutilation. I suppose I’m a right-wing fanatic now. A lifetime of standing for the rights of anyone to be as freaky as they want does not matter at all once you move in with your silly shibboleths. It should be obvious to anyone that TG as it currently manifests is a government sponsored operation to keep us fighting each other and to keep our eyes off who is oppressing us.

Posted by: oldhippie | Sep 16 2025 19:41 utc | 146

Posted by: Lysias | Sep 16 2025 19:37 utc | 145
Indeed. Your namesake knew about political violence. He lost his brother and many friends under the regime of the Thirty. I get Critias vibes from Vance too…

Posted by: Patroklos | Sep 16 2025 19:45 utc | 148

Look if Nancy Pelosi, Hillary Clinton, Carnage or Von der Leyen were shot and died as Kirk- ,honestly, I would not be sad -but I would be respectful for their friends and family -I certainly would not publicly celebrate. (1)
That’s the difference between ordinary small c conservative people and crazy Leftists.
1.With one notable exception: if Netanyahu (the Biblical Anti-Christ in my humble opinion)was assassinated I would order up a case of the finest champagne.(2)
2. Editor: Is canuk a hypocrite?

Posted by: canuk | Sep 16 2025 19:49 utc | 150

The left arent resposable for the death of millions of people.
Posted by: Mark2 | Sep 16 2025 17:03 utc | 86
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Everyone is responsible, which is why no one is being held accountable.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 16 2025 17:15 utc | 91
Everyone? Sounds like that old black misanthropy again. Music to the ears of the real criminals: the entire western ruling class and their hangers on.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Sep 16 2025 19:54 utc | 152

@ Posted by: oldhippie | Sep 16 2025 19:41 utc | 146
I just find this old line a little hard to believe: “TG as it currently manifests is a government sponsored operation to keep us fighting each other and to keep our eyes off who is oppressing us”
The rights of transgender people to live their lives free of government interference and oppression are under assault by governments across the world, including the US and the UK. The current government in the US is on a witch hunt against transgender people, blaming trans people for the murder of Kirk, and when that didn’t work out, attempting to find any trans person in their life who they might be able to cast aspersions on through guilt by association. What I see is that many people, not even necessarily reactionaries, but maybe just people who are being deliberately confused by the reactionary media, identify the trans people as part of their own oppression, as if the highest echelons of political, corporate, and media power are not in lockstep with each other in advocating for new repressive laws aimed against not only trans people, but queer people in general.
Virtually all of the transgender men and women I know personally are economically working class and politically left-wing, very much in tune with the desire to focus on those who are really oppressing us: our bosses, our politicians, and increasingly in my locale, the clergy. The average trans woman has an income less than that of the average cisgender man or woman. I’ve heard this line that transgender people are “privileged” from leftists before and I have no clue what’s supposed to account for it. Maybe things are different across the pond and it had some vague aristocratic veneer in ye olden days. Transgender people today are at heightened risk of being victimized in hate crimes and even the supposedly “left-wing” government of the UK is taking actions that abridge their rights to bodily autonomy and put them in danger. That’s a very serious issue for anyone with a humanistic bent, who wants to see less human suffering in the world.

Posted by: fnord | Sep 16 2025 19:58 utc | 154

Posted by: fnord | Sep 16 2025 18:24 utc | 121
well said. fuck charlie kirk and his execrable wife who can’t miss a chance to exploit her own husband’s corpse. “Gather around the family, with a pocket full of shells.”
They are all openly celebrating the murder of 3 Venezuelans. among many other crimes. let’s all try to kill the peace delegation from Hamas!
and it really is amazing that none of you, apparently, consider that in this repressed kluxer’s private life some jilted gay, Gruff, lover might want to kill him? or business partner? or both? (“you promised to pay for my sex change and that we’d be together! Liar!”) they all had various degrees of gun training. nope. most everyone around him. oh no. it’s israel. it’s the cia.
the country is so insane that the cia could have hired or set up one of kirk’s awful kids to do the dirty deed. no mkultra needed. just remind them how terrible daddy is along with the routine misery typical of the US which daddy just added to. Then play clips of daddy preaching guns as life’s answer.
who celebrated Kyle Rittenhouse?

Posted by: duck n cover | Sep 16 2025 20:04 utc | 156

Posted by: BlindSpot | Sep 16 2025 18:07 utc | 110
Incidentally, the new president of the Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution in Germany is Sinan Selen (a Turkish citizen until 2019).
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.hurriyetdailynews.com/amp/turkish-born-security-expert-to-lead-germanys-spy-agency-213609
I would bet a lot that this man has long bloodlines that we would not normaly associate with Turkia

Posted by: Paul from Norway | Sep 16 2025 20:12 utc | 158

@Posted by: steel_porcupine | Sep 16 2025 18:20 utc | 116
You got the Golda Meir quote wrong.
It is commonly understood to be:

We can forgive [the Arabs] for killing our children. We cannot forgive them for forcing us to kill their children. We will only have peace with [the Arabs] when they love their children more than they hate us…

In other words, “we threaten to keep killing your children”.
The Golda Meir quote also smacks of Victimhood…No! VICTIMHOOD.
That is, “how terrible you are to us, you force us to kill your children”.
———
Years ago I overheard a couple talking about this very quote. They loved this Golda Meir quote because of how clever it was.
Maybe I am having a false memory, but I think I had the urge to kick them in the teeth.

Posted by: Otto Penn | Sep 16 2025 20:30 utc | 160

Posted by: Archetypex | Sep 16 2025 19:25 utc | 140
Great stuff.
Two tribes of political toddlers, armed to the teeth in a death match.
You deserve each other and the ruins you will end up with.
Nice knowin’ ya, USA.

Posted by: ChatNPC | Sep 16 2025 20:31 utc | 162

I think b is off base on this one.
Vance was criticizing government censorship in February.
In the Kirk matter he did not call for government censorship.
So no hypocrisy.

Posted by: Figleaf23 | Sep 16 2025 20:32 utc | 164

Why do white supremists care more about one american life, compared with an entire population in Gaza.
White supremists should sit down and shut up.
Fascist speech is not free speech.
Freedom fighters verses terrorists.

Posted by: Mark2 | Sep 16 2025 20:34 utc | 166

The Republicans are just a wing of the uni-party, whose role it is to keep the political discourse within limits favourable to the oligarchy and its present orientation. The US oligarchy has realized that its greater and greater levels of extraction at home and its increasingly aggressive moves to shore up the Americas backyard require a move to fascist authoritarianism. This is being driven by an extremely focused and aggressive subset of the oligarchy.
The “progressive” elements of the courtier class, together with the progressive elements of the oligarchy, will be purged/disciplined to align with this new fascist authoritarian oligarch orientation. We are seeing the new political-economic sausage being made and it is not a pretty process. Think of Trump as a fascist precursor, JD Vance as the real thing.
The oligarchy will always want free speech for speech that supports its ruling discourse. The problem is that the courtier class have spent decades with the previous discourse, and some parts of the oligarchy still believe in it. That’s why the process is messy and sometimes brutal. Charlie Kirk, whether or not he was shot by a “lone gunman”, is now being used as a tool to implement the new oligarch discourse. We should expect much more as we approach the mid-terms, and a real effort by the Democrats to throw the election.

Posted by: Roger Boyd | Sep 16 2025 20:35 utc | 168

In the battle against the leftists/marxists/progressives/socialists we need to turn their weapons against them. They don’t deserve the protections of a free society they hate and want to transform into their ways.
Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Sep 16 2025 15:27 utc | 32
Wow, from Hitler’s lips to god’s ear or what?

Posted by: nwwoods | Sep 16 2025 20:40 utc | 170

Nassim Nicholas Taleb:

New Term: OCCIDOCRACY, rule by murder
Regimes that survive through systematic assassination as a primary political tool; operating through terror and elimination of any perceived enemies.
No not from Occident but OCCIDERE, killing in Latin.

Posted by: js | Sep 16 2025 20:40 utc | 172

@Posted by: nwwoods | Sep 16 2025 20:40 utc | 171
That would be quite the Hitler quote if it is true history,
but I find no source for that quote.
Have you got one?

Posted by: Otto Penn | Sep 16 2025 20:47 utc | 174

@ Posted by: Archetypex | Sep 16 2025 20:39 utc | 169
I appreciate you proving my point to a T, guy. The right, as you just did, frequently celebrates the murder of peaceful demonstrators, from Kent State to the 2020 protests against police violence, through abstract and decontextualized equivocation. “Some people took advantage of the unrest and rioted, therefore all protesters were rioters, and anyone out that night might as well have been a rioter, excluding the armed reactionary vigilantes who were the only people to kill anyone that night.” The reactionaries cry crocodile tears when one of their own gets killed, not even concealing their eagerness to seize the opportunity for a crackdown against anyone with political views that might get in the way of their holding onto power and privilege.

Posted by: fnord | Sep 16 2025 20:57 utc | 176

I would bet a lot that this man has long bloodlines that we would not normaly associate with Turkia
Posted by: Paul from Norway | Sep 16 2025 20:12 utc | 158
His bloodline is Not interesting to me.
“The Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution is subordinate to the Home Secretary. He can propose a new President of the Office for the Protection of the Constitution …”
”
The German Minister of the Interior in 2025 is Alexander Dobrindt (CSU). He has been Federal Minister of the Interior in the Merz cabinet since 6 May 2025. ”
The CDU has taken over the Office for the Protection of the Constitution. And there are many connections to Turkey.
e.g.
https://www.spiegel.de/panorama/christlich-islamische-fusion-kohl-sohn-heiratet-tuerkische-unternehmerstochter-a-136360.html

Posted by: BlindSpot | Sep 16 2025 21:11 utc | 178

The right wing vote for a president who promises to feed their appitite for violence,
War with Russia, backing israel to name only two.
The right wing in short are an apendige of the elite, usefull idiots, and gullable fools easy to herd.
And before anyone comments, of course the dem leadership are no better.
Here in th UK we at presant have 3 main political partys all vieing with each to be more far right than the over.
So as to feed the voters blood lust mob mentality. A mentality they themselves created.

Posted by: Mark2 | Sep 16 2025 21:16 utc | 180

fnord @142:
You provided no link. Until you come clean on your claim that Kirk celebrated the murder of protesters I will consider everything you write to be a lie and unworthy of consideration.

Posted by: William Gruff | Sep 16 2025 21:18 utc | 182

@ 182
Exibit a,

Posted by: Mark2 | Sep 16 2025 21:22 utc | 184

Japan has destroyed Ray Dalio’s nonsense for decades.
Japan has disproved his fixed exchange rate conversion theories that no longer apply for years now. Years and years of Japanese real economic data completely destroys anything he has to say. Regarding high debt levels.
Nothing he ever says comes true. The reverse of what he says always happens.
This fox ( US hedge fund manager) is trying to enter the Chinese hen house and blackrock all the eggs.
The Chinese should shoot him the minute he steps on Chinese soil.

Posted by: Moon of Alabama | Sep 16 2025 21:23 utc | 186

Any violence bubbling up from the Left tends to come from provocation and justified outrage.
Deal with it.
Posted by: Mark2 | Sep 16 2025 21:04 utc | 177
Like shooting some guy for sitting at a table talking.
Justified! /s
Sorry, the so called American left are violent loons with weak psyches that trigger the second they don’t get their way.
Like two years olds with money and guns.

Posted by: Archetypex | Sep 16 2025 21:28 utc | 188

Posted by: fnord | Sep 16 2025 19:29 utc | 142
You can believe in whatever makes your world work. Maybe putting marginalized groups on a pedestal is your thing. I get it. Its not a bad thing.
But the moment you turn militant like in your posts above based on a subjective understanding of what other people think, you are going to be called on it. Because the harm you do far outweighs any benefit for those, in your opinion, marginalized groups.
Get your acid grievances elsewhere. Our host did a bad post dividing this community.

Posted by: alek_a | Sep 16 2025 21:31 utc | 190

Cringe Armour @ 175
your spelling is a giveaway.
Now go play on a freeway as the Yanks would say.

Posted by: AleaJactaEst | Sep 16 2025 21:33 utc | 192

Spot on sean the lepricohaun @ 189

Posted by: Mark2 | Sep 16 2025 21:36 utc | 194

That’s an easy question Mark, because the people killing the Palestinians not only control the media cycle, they control White Supremacy……after all, they are white.
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Sep 16 2025 21:28 utc | 189
How would you explain their animosity towards Russians then? Russians are white too… or maybe not?
Is ‘whiteness’ a matter of skin color, or perhaps about some specific blood line?

Posted by: hopehely | Sep 16 2025 21:45 utc | 196

The right invariably celebrates their own murderers.
Posted by: fnord | Sep 16 2025 21:40 utc | 195
And the left celebrates their own murderers.
Like a pair of shoes. Different, yet the same.

Posted by: hopehely | Sep 16 2025 21:51 utc | 198

Here in the USA it’s circular firing squad while the rich get richer and members of the circular firing squad fall behind.

Posted by: Frank | Sep 16 2025 21:56 utc | 200