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September 20, 2025
Media Disguise Airspace Violation Claims

The warmongering stunts by the east European states and NATO are laughable.

Russian Fighter Jets Enter Airspace of Estonia, a NATO Member (archived) – NY Times, Sep 19 2025
Estonia’s foreign minister described the flights, which lasted for an unusually long 12 minutes, as an “unprecedentedly brazen” intrusion.

Three Russian fighter jets violated Estonia’s airspace on Friday for an unusually long period, some 12 minutes, in what Estonia’s foreign minister called an “unprecedentedly brazen” intrusion over the NATO country.

NATO responded to intercept the Russian jets, Allison Hart, the military alliance’s spokeswoman, said in a statement on X. “This is yet another example of reckless Russian behavior and NATO’s ability to respond,” she said.

Tensions were already high after at least 21 Russian drones flew in Polish airspace 10 days ago, prompting NATO to scramble fighter jets to shoot down some of them. That incursion was regarded by Polish officials, who provided an updated count of the drones, as a deliberate effort to test the alliance’s readiness and a dangerous escalation of the war in Ukraine.

The unarmed Russian Gebera decoy drones that flew over Poland do a have a range of some 600 kilometer (370 mi). If they had been launched from behind Russian lines they would not have reached Poland. The drones were most likely found in Ukraine, patched up and reprogrammed by Ukrainian services, and sent towards Poland. They were just on the ways Ukraine tries to drag NATO into its war. 

The 'unprecedentedly brazen intrusion' into the airspace of Estonia, if it has happened at all, did not take place over Estonia's mainland but near Vaindloo, an uninhabited rock in the Gulf of Finland in the Baltic Sea, some 26 kilometer (16 mi) north of the Estonian coast.


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The NY Times piece does, of course, NOT mention that. It is worded to make the reader believe that Estonia was somehow endangered.

The Russian military says that its jets did not violate Estonian airspace:

MOSCOW, September 20. /TASS/. Three Russian MiG-31 jets carried out a scheduled flight from Karelia to the Kaliningrad Region without violating Estonian airspace, the Russian Defense Ministry reported.

"On September 19, three Russian MiG-31 fighter jets made a scheduled flight from Karelia to an airfield in the Kaliningrad Region. The flight was conducted in strict accordance with international airspace rules, without violating the borders of other states, which is confirmed by objective monitoring. During the flight, the Russian aircraft did not deviate from the agreed flight path and did not violate Estonian airspace. The aircraft's flight path lay over the neutral waters of the Baltic Sea, more than three kilometers from the island of Vaindloo," the statement said.

The statements by Estonia’s foreign minister Margus Tsahkna amount, in sight of the facts, to hysterical nonsense:

“Russia has violated Estonian airspace four times already this year, which is unacceptable in itself, but today’s violation, during which three fighter jets entered our airspace, is unprecedentedly brazen,” Mr. Tsahkna said in a statement, which he issued in slightly different form on X. He called it “clear proof of Russia’s growing aggression.”

Members of NATO should respond with more pressure on Moscow, Mr. Tsahkna said. “Russia’s ever-increasing testing of borders and aggressiveness must be responded to by rapidly strengthening political and economic pressure,” he said. Estonia summoned the Russian chargé d’affaires to protest the flights, the ministry said.

Estonia’s prime minister, Kristen Michal, said he would seek urgent talks with his NATO allies.

“The Government of Estonia has decided to request NATO Article 4 consultations,” Mr. Michal wrote, invoking the section of the alliance’s charter that allows a member state to begin formal discussions about threats to its security.

The 'western' media do not reveal the details of the 'intrusion'. They no longer report, but disguise the facts to create opinions.

On top of that some dimwit officials chip in:

Brian McDonald @27khv – 10:04 utc · Sep 20, 2025

Lithuania’s defence minister falsely claims Russian jets flew “over Tallinn.” It was allegedly over Vaindloo Island in the Gulf of Finland, 100km from the capital. She then urges a replay of Turkey’s 2015 shoot-down (an F-16 bringing down a Russian Su-24).

The trouble is, Lithuania has no fighters of its own. Not even one. So what she’s really demanding is that others light the match for World War Three.
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The small and often imaginary incidents, like this 'incursion', add up in the public mind with the effect of making it more anti-Russian.

This is one of the reasons why the president of Russia is concerned that we are sliding toward World War III.

Comments

As I always wrote here (being always ridiculed for that), the west wants hot war with Russia and would do anything, anything to get it. No cost is to high. Europe is blood thirsty. They dream, oh how much they dream about the new Drang nach Osten. It would be like a crown for the 400 years long colonial expansion.
Russia is trying to postpone that war but there are limits to that.
I think everybody now see what I saw for in the first moment.

Posted by: vargas | Sep 20 2025 10:30 utc | 1

Fact has no place in Western media.
Especially when somebody wants a prolonged conflict.

Posted by: jpc | Sep 20 2025 10:31 utc | 2

An ‘island 0.062 km2 big.
And breached for 12 minutes?
Even at the ridiculous 12 nautical miles territorial airspace they count it’s near impossible for a mig 31 to stay that long.
A good 10 minutes max, and that is almost at stalling speed of 250 km/h, cruising speed is 2500 km/h.
The Russians really must’ve tried hard.

Posted by: Ed Bernays | Sep 20 2025 10:43 utc | 3

There’s no farce like an air-farce? :3
Drones:
There’s the previous occurrences of allegedly Russian drones that were all certainly ex-“Ukrainian” and which involved/targeted Hungary, Croatia, Romania, Lithuania, and Poland. These have been mentioned in previous threads, some of them old.
Missiles:
A few in Poland, and maybe (since it still maybe could have been by an ex-“Ukrainian” jet fighter —I’m not entirely sure) one downing of an international airplane, all again sent from within ex-“Ukraine”.
Pilots:
As for manned flights wasn’t there a lot of noise about both various NATO, Swedish (pre-NATO), Finnish (pre-NATO), and Russian planes accidentally or deliberately crossing into this or that national airspace some years ago, perhaps five years or so? I feel sure but don’t remember the details.
GPS:
…in NATO’s definition the P must be for Propaganda.
So utterly boring and additionally “our dear politicians” need to stop pretending that the Russians would be “flirting” with them as a form of war; it is really unbecoming and off-putting.
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Estonia:
Doesn’t Estonia realize that they’re indefensible? I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s why they were allowed to exist in the first place (Finland pay attention, in this millennium the same applies to you. Latvia and Lithuania too).
Russia might not need to invade Estonia if there is a war. Using Wikipedia numbers Estonia is roughly thirteen times smaller than ex-“Ukraine” but they probably included parts of Russia in ex-“Ukraine” so let’s say a very round ten times smaller 😛
And with water on two sides, but that water is only there for Swedes to sink in…
Estonia at war sure sounds like a NATO recipe for success (sarcasm) guess that makes it a near certainty.

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Sep 20 2025 11:10 utc | 4

Here’s a thought.
What’s the outcome of actually getting the conflict the euro vassal elites want?
The Russians decided that the weapons hitting them are German supplied.
Do the Russians decide to go deal with the source as well as the point of attack?
The talking translated to the reality.
A visit from the hypersonic to the Taurus facility and !!!!
What next?

Posted by: jpc | Sep 20 2025 11:34 utc | 5

Brian McDonald @27khv – 10:04 utc · Sep 20, 2025
Lithuania’s defence minister falsely claims Russian jets flew “over Tallinn.” It was allegedly over Vaindloo Island

Lithuania – Estonia, same thing eh? What happened to education?

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 20 2025 11:42 utc | 6

Russian defense ministry just announces it denies 3 MIG enroute between Karelia and Kaliningrad violated anyone’s airspace..it claims they flew over neutral Baltic Sea waters > 3KMs from Estonia’s Vaindloo Island. So Russia’s position is No violation of airspace took place. Are not these actual routes traveled recoverable from flightaware or some other tracking service?

Posted by: snake | Sep 20 2025 11:43 utc | 7

b
Right on!!! I am concerned about WWIII. More that I was a year ago. It seems clear to me that there are NATO members who want war and they want it now.
Poland, the 3 chihuahuas definitely. Germany too strange as that may seem. France wobbles but talks tough. I think the UK is all in for war too. Apart from all the ra ra talk we have real signs of concern
1. US sends nukes back to the UK
2. the Polish drones false flag
3. now the fighters over Lithuania
4. Colour revolutions/coups in Nepal, Bangladesh
5. Iran again
6. The Azerbaijan trouble
I am sure there is lots more. Just starting to be too many little things

Posted by: watcher | Sep 20 2025 11:48 utc | 8

Kit Klarenberg on his substack has super detailed article on NED and associates re the build up to Ukraine Maidan.
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And judging by the ignorant indignant comments on UK papers calling for action such as shoot Russian jets kill Putin Russia is a joke etc..the masses have swallowed the deliberate hysteria.Jeez the pure evil fools that live in this manipulated world .

Posted by: Jo | Sep 20 2025 11:56 utc | 9

Posted by: vargas | Sep 20 2025 10:30 utc | 1
Vargas dear fellow
We all KNOW and have done since 2014 that NATO wants war with Russia. i am on record several times on here pointing out that the REASON for Putin’s go slow is because he is keeping the good stuff in reserve, because he thinks it very likely he will be at war with NATO and others. He could have gone in very hard to take all of Ukraine, but while he was stationing masses of troops to maintain order in a hostile Western Ukraine and to fight NATO mercenaries, the USA and other allies would come in to bite Russia in the bum somewhere else.
That is why I assume all the Putin is old and weak and too passive mob are in fact trolls, somehow hoping that Russia would be stupid enough to take the bait.

Posted by: watcher | Sep 20 2025 11:57 utc | 10

Posted by: watcher | Sep 20 2025 11:48 utc | 8
They are only going to siphon any remaining wealth from citizens.
Europe is not going to win conventionally over RF expecially if usa don’t join.
Even if they could RF will go nuclear, that is a certainty.
This airspace violation is propaganda, if or when RF would really do an attack they will simply hit with missiles and the first targets will be air bases.

Posted by: Mario | Sep 20 2025 12:05 utc | 11

The west knows all it has are bluffs. Like people at a lake dipping their toes in and then squealing, you 1st. There will be years of this. The slow methodical and rightchous calling of western bluffs. Just like every time in the past. The Western leaders know that even if they throw everything they have right now it still won’t be enough. The west really should just stop running with scissors and join the human race as equal partners in human progress.

Posted by: Tannenhouser | Sep 20 2025 12:05 utc | 12

Another fake air farce:
The “Russian cyberattack on airports” headlines a few hours ago are now a simple ransomware attempt.

Posted by: Ed Bernays | Sep 20 2025 12:14 utc | 13

watcher@10…..no need to bite Russia’s bum, wee nibbles, lots and lots of wee nibbles, Russia will figure it out eventually.
The problem for Russia or outright fear, is they are dealing with the US in public but then they get fucked up the wee bum by England, dirty buggers they are…..now that Britkrainia can tap a big oil processing plant 1300km inside Russia I’d say the Brits got Russia in a whole heap of hurt. Not hurting England in any way, yes baited breath anticipation of “the collapse” yawn…….
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Sep 20 2025 12:16 utc | 14

About 10 days BEFORE the alleged “violation” of polish airspace, former prez duda said that ukraine tried to pressure warsaw to blame Russia for their errant missile into poland. https://www.hungarianconservative.com/articles/current/ukraine-war-andrzej-duda-allies-false-flag-drone-strike/
Then came the globalist tusk’s accusation. In turn, followed by romania’s and then estonia’s. Three nato states (including romania’s blatantly rigged pro-western election result (and charging him since too)) as clear stooges to do the bidding of their paymasters in a failing war with trump [allegedly] walking away.
You do do the math…

Posted by: Sal | Sep 20 2025 12:31 utc | 15

Sad what has happened to The NY Times. THEY USED TO BE A NEWSPAPER YOU COULD TRUST TO TELL THE TRUTH.

Posted by: Fortuna | Sep 20 2025 12:42 utc | 16

The Blob and its eurocuck poodles are still flailing for a way to avert their pending humiliation. Russia’s delivered terms must be very harsh.

Posted by: seer | Sep 20 2025 12:55 utc | 17

🚨🇪🇺 “Mrs Von Der Leyen needs money, about €800Bn for Weapons”
“Now they are saying – Private savings need to be turned into investment”
“Ursula wants to give Citizens money away, saving accounts are going to be plundered”
“Ursula spent Billions of Euros on Vaccines she organised by Text Message & now those messages have magically been deleted”
The entire European Union is verging on Bankruptcy & now Chief Tyrant Ursula von der Leyen wants to pillage Citizens own personal wealth to continue funding the proxy war in Ukraine.

https://x.com/SMO_VZ/status/1969322717192069300

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 20 2025 12:56 utc | 18

Sad what has happened to The NY Times. THEY USED TO BE A NEWSPAPER YOU COULD TRUST TO TELL THE TRUTH.
Posted by: Fortuna | Sep 20 2025 12:42 utc | 16

Their cooking section remains relevant.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/20/business/hamburger-helper-food-prices.html

Posted by: too scents | Sep 20 2025 12:58 utc | 19

Nato’s news is all propaganda and Putin’s green soldiers on holidays all real. Seems Nato has good reason to be wary, after all these “military exercises” that turned into an invasion.

Posted by: Dasha | Sep 20 2025 12:59 utc | 20

Ukraine and World Affairs: Weekly Update, 19th September 2025: May be Useful to Some: https://robcampbell.substack.com/p/ukraine-and-world-affairs-weekly-07c

Posted by: The Busker | Sep 20 2025 12:59 utc | 21

If one follows western MSM they can easily notice a pattern.
False flag -> ‘shock’ -> whining of impotency -> ‘we need more money for drone wall and air defense’
The cycle goes round and round, the plundering of remaining wealth from state coffers continue.
There are puppet masters. The puppet masters are most likely foes who benefit from plundering the state coffers. That is US arms industry, bankers and their families. They will take the fiat cr#p and turn it into golden assets, while imposing ‘CBDC’ slave tokens on the rest.

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 20 2025 13:01 utc | 22

Has anybody found information WHY Russiaight have sent planes into Estonia?
Could this have anything to do with Estonia declaring themselves Baltic Sea police with powers and intent to stop any vessel entering or leaving Russian waters as they please? And Russia declaring to protect their vessel with fighter planes if necessary?
https://shippingtelegraph.com/maritime-insurance-news/russia-claims-new-estonian-legislation-creates-risks-for-baltic-sea-navigation/
“Starting from April 14, 2025, legal amendments came into effect in Estonia, enabling its Navy to use force against foreign ships. The Navy can now intercept, reroute or use other means for forcing civilian vessels to change course or sink them, if necessary.
Found on the internet
“This mandate covers Estonia’s maritime zone, which includes its internal sea waters, the territorial sea and the country’s exclusive economic zone, which is not part of the coastal state as per the international law.
“Russia firmly condemns these pirate-like aspirations because the mandate of the Estonian Navy transcends and violates international law, including the 1982 Convention on the Law of the Sea, which is a universal instrument. It is evident that Tallinn is acting in bad faith, seeking to undermine international law in both the letter and spirit.

Posted by: Marvin | Sep 20 2025 13:12 utc | 23

Posted by: Marvin | Sep 20 2025 13:12 utc | 23
Estonia has long planned creating a blockade with anti-ship missiles. They procured ‘Blue Spear’ ASM missiles last year with 290km range.
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2024/02/estonias-blue-spear-ashm-system-achieves-ioc/
Additionally British generals are already painting their false flags visions of ‘Russian attack’ on Baltics on 2nd November.

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 20 2025 13:36 utc | 24

Yeah I read a couple of accounts, that the drones that supposedly were launched by Russia into Poland – were actually launched by Ukraine, into Poland – to try and drag not just Poland but Nato – into a full blown conflict with Russia.
AS for Russian military jets impinging on Estonian airspace, the propaganda about it coming from the West is laughable, they have Russia invading Estonia, however even if Russia did invade Estonia, which it won’t, I doubt Article 5 would be triggered, for Nato’s Daddy (Trump) – as Mark Rutte would call him, doesn’t want to go to war with Russia, and Russia doesn’t want to go to war with the USA, both have far too much to lose, however, the EU – wants the USA to go to war with Russia, but thankfully Trump, the madman that he is, isn’t that mad, to start a full blown conflict with Russia, so Ukraine and the EU are launching psy-ops and false flag operation to finger pointing at Russia, as the culprit, in the hope Trump (Daddy) will say right enough is enough lets strike back.
However Trump has his hands full – with defending the indefensible in Israel, which the UN has now said is committing genocide – (it took them long enough), I see no way out that other than the US and Israel subduing the region vi a violence – though – even then, Israel is now a pariah occupying force, that will collapse without US support.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Sep 20 2025 13:39 utc | 25

Posted by: Ed Bernays | Sep 20 2025 10:43 utc |3

An ‘island 0.062 km2 big.
And breached for 12 minutes?
Even at the ridiculous 12 nautical miles territorial airspace they count it’s near impossible for a mig 31 to stay that long.
A good 10 minutes max, and that is almost at stalling speed of 250 km/h, cruising speed is 2500 km/h.
The Russians really must’ve tried hard.

There are maps circulating with the alledged flight track. One can be found on the Estonian World website :
https://estonianworld.com/security/chart-shows-russian-jets-12-minute-violation-of-estonian-airspace/
I measured this track as roughly 170 km. A 12 minute flight would imply 850 km/h. Does that sound right?
By the way, I believe that Vaindloo does in fact lie within Estonian territorial water.

Posted by: robin | Sep 20 2025 13:52 utc | 26

According to Opex360, a french military info site, it’s the 3rd time this year that russians violated estonian air space around Vaindloo.
https://www.opex360.com/2025/09/19/trois-avions-russes-de-type-mig-31-ont-viole-lespace-aerien-de-lestonie-pendant-12-minutes/
If this is true, what is it on or around Vaindlo that justifies these activities (most likely close up intelligence gathering) ?
If it is not, it’s probably part of the escalation game whose ultimate target is Trump : forcing him to return to the Biden course. Because he can’t completely abandon Europe (without Europe the US is almost totally isolated) and thus ultimately he is vulnerable to a make or break blackmail.

Posted by: Saracene’s Head | Sep 20 2025 13:52 utc | 27

I guess we shouldn’t be surprised at the wild eyed reactions of the Estonians, Kaja Kallas is Estonian, and she was the Estonian PM from (2021 to 2024), she is vehemently anti-Russian.
“She (Kallas) is a member of George Soros’ European Council on Foreign Relations, and was categorised as a “reliable ally” by the Open Society Foundations when she sat in the European Parliament.”
Kallas was mooted as the next Secretary General of Nato, but that post went to Mark Rutte who calls Trump Daddy, instead Kallas, became Vice-President of the European Commission – and EU High Representative for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy.
Her father Siim Kallas, did well under Soviet rule in Estonia Kaja Kallas is from a fairly wealthy family – Siim Kallas as head of The Bank of Estonia, secretly transferred $10 million to a Swiss account, the money was never seen again.
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Kaja Kallas is your typical monster.
“In March 2025, at a press conference with Gideon Sa’ar in Jerusalem, Kallas failed to acknowledge Israel’s ethnic cleansing, war crimes and genocide in Palestine, describing the EU/Israel relationship thus: “We are very good partners”.
In June 2024, just before becoming EU Foreign Policy Chief, Kallas advocated for a tougher stance against Russia, defining victory in Ukraine as breaking Russia into smaller states and supported “pushing Russia back”, maintaining sanctions, and integrating Ukraine into the EU and NATO.
She called for sharply increased spending on weapons and “defence””

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Sep 20 2025 13:55 utc | 28

Thank you, b, for another informative and clarifying post. The video clip of Putin is very encouraging; it is reassuring to see an articulate, calm adult at Russia’s helm. It feels like we are very much at a crux point in history. We need more adults in the room.

Posted by: Clever Dog | Sep 20 2025 13:57 utc | 29

Posted by: Saracene’s Head | Sep 20 2025 13:52 utc | 27
Trump aims to aid collapsing EU economically, however this takes longer than it takes for Britain to orchestrate an article 5 false flag in Russian border states.
Putin notices EU is hanging itself and is giving enough rope to do it (through Ukraine), but it takes its time. Europeans are getting jumpy, but steadily deterioratint.

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 20 2025 14:00 utc | 30

Simple re-supply of MIGs to Kalingrad. Been happening for like 70 years now.

Posted by: Exile | Sep 20 2025 14:04 utc | 31

Google’s blurb about Estonia: The capital, Tallinn, is known for its preserved Old Town, museums and the 314m-high Tallinn TV Tower…”
All Soviet legacy. Their proudest features were gifts from those they hate.
The effectiveness of capitalist brainwashing never ceases to amaze.

Posted by: William Gruff | Sep 20 2025 14:05 utc | 32

Pentagon informed the Baltic states US will partially halt military assistance to Baltic states. Read: US is out of weapons and/or stretched in Israel/Ukraine and/or trying to stockpile ‘against China’.
https://x.com/volcaholic1/status/1969389901251559635

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 20 2025 14:06 utc | 33

First and always, cui bono? Who benefits from increased tensions? Obviously, the yapping poodles of the Baltics are being instructed to act as they do: they know they’d last maybe a week or two if it got to an actual war with Russia. So, why the tension raising and chest beating?
In these cases, it’s always is about the home countries … so, friends, what is it about the greater “west” that is currently requiring militarization and censorship expansion over the population? France, Germany, UK, et al, none seem very robust and healthy currently, do they? So, to get well, waste hundreds of billions on “defense”?

Posted by: Caliman | Sep 20 2025 14:07 utc | 34

@vargas
“They dream, oh how much they dream about the new Drang nach Osten. It would be like a crown for the 400 years long colonial expansion.”
That colonial expansion is much older. It started in the 8th century by the ruler after which an infamous prize for NATO war criminals and collaborators is named:
https://www.lagis-hessen.de/img/ga/s3/14.jpg
https://maps.lib.utexas.edu/maps/historical/shepherd_1911/shepherd-c-080.jpg

Posted by: p3t3r | Sep 20 2025 14:20 utc | 35

@ robin 13:52 utc | 26
They are claiming Italian F-35s intercepted and repelled the Migs?
Is it even conceivable that they could scramble and intercept the Migs within 12 minutes?
By the way.
Vaindloo is an uninhabited island smaller than 10 soccer pitches sporting a lighthouse, 40 kilometers off the coast.

Posted by: Webej | Sep 20 2025 14:24 utc | 36

Is there a war room where people make all these distractions up and try and integrate them or are there lots of Wag The Dog distraction producers running in parallel with little integration….I am thinking the latter
The shit show continues until it doesn’t….Desperation stays on the menu today

Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 20 2025 14:27 utc | 37

Posted by: watcher | Sep 20 2025 11:57 utc | 10
No no no. There shall be no bait.
They are goingvto stage a fake Russian attackbon tjmselves.

Posted by: vargas | Sep 20 2025 14:29 utc | 38

How about showing us actual flight tracks on a map marking out what is actual Estonian airspace versus internationally agreed airspace. I suspect the Russians flew through an ADIZ without identifying themselves, which, to be frank, the US et al do all the time.

Posted by: Cato the Uncensored | Sep 20 2025 14:39 utc | 39

What the MSM propaganda machine sells is war spending.
NATO war with Russia would look like the French war on Germany in Spring 1940.
A phoney war where NATO troops will monitor the laundry hung to dry by Belarusian border guards.
Maybe a few Dutch F-16 doing training over the Baltic territories.

Posted by: paddy | Sep 20 2025 14:39 utc | 40

Ironic how in 150 years, Europe went from the center of civilization, to queers telling ghost stories.
I don’t know what an Asian-led future will look like, but it is hard to imagine that they would have less dignity than their former colonizers.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 20 2025 14:42 utc | 41

Slightly off-topic but still related to Ukraine.
It seems that Canada’s Christia soap opera is coming to a close. After her failed attempt to usurp power last December, and not finding any appreciation in the new Liberal government, Christia has decided to leave parliament. She is off to banderistan where she hopes that her skills as a back-stabber and war-monger will meet a higher demand.

Posted by: dh-mtl | Sep 20 2025 14:49 utc | 42

All these recent incursions by Russian air crafts into NATO air space are caused on purpose by certain participants interested in pulling the US and NATO into a direct conflict against Russia. Because if these incursions were real, and if NATO by itself (without US) really wanted to attack… there’s nothing stopping them. They’ve created sufficient fake reasons they could use to justify it the aggression, just like they did with “Sadam has WMDs”.
But, NATO ain’t budging because US is saying “where’s the proof”.
I suspect Ukraine, UK, and France are putting up the charade of all these incursions.

Posted by: Spiridon | Sep 20 2025 15:02 utc | 43

Ich halte eine eine bewusste aber klein gehaltene Provokation seitens Russland nicht für völlig ausgeschlossen. 1. ..will man wissen was die Nato kann. 2. Sind die Haushalte der EU Länder bereits durch Rüstungsausgaben überdehnt. Während man in Deutschland, Frankreich, GBR bereits die Sozialkassen für Waffen plündert, bekommen ukrainische Rentner und Arbeitnehmer mehr Geld. Das hebt nicht die Stimmung in diesen Ländern. Die SU hat sich in den achtzigern an Afghanistan überhoben
3.Das könnte den NATO Ländern, die nun überall Provokationen und eigenes Unvermögen erkennen, ebenso gehen, wenn sie nicht endlich ihren Traum vom Sibirischen Reichtum aufgeben

Posted by: Toynbee | Sep 20 2025 15:06 utc | 44

Not hurting England in any way, yes baited breath anticipation of “the collapse” yawn…….
Cheers M
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Sep 20 2025 12:16 utc | 14

Gold has surpassed an all time high going back pre 1700 in real world terms. The collapse is a myth to you until it smacks you in the face. Then you can remember all the times you ridiculed it and pretended that Albion was getting anything other than humiliated and bankrupted by its support for the fascists in Ukraine.
I see Ukraine as the prelude to WW3, much like the Spanish Civil War with all its international involvement. Unfortunately, this means a biblical conflagration..and one that Brittania will be lucky to survive at all. Myself, I’ll be thinking about how so many British subjects tugged their forelocks and bowed to their betters, like lambs to the slaughter, for the third time in a century.

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Sep 20 2025 15:12 utc | 45

the demonization of russia is endless…. yes, i think vargas @1 is rightand the west, or some in the west want a hot war with russia… how else does one explain europes relentless desire to destroy itself?? it appears to want help on this from russia too..

Posted by: james | Sep 20 2025 15:25 utc | 47

@ dh-mtl | Sep 20 2025 14:49 utc | 42
john helmer commented on this too.. he has been very thorough on the comings and goings of freeland..
GREAT MOMENTS IN THE HISTORY OF CHRYSTIA FREELAND’S FAILURE TO HAVE ACHIEVED MORE FOR UKRAINIAN FASCISM (2013-2025) THAN HER GRANDFATHER ACHIEVED AS HITLER’S PROPAGANDIST AND SPY (1939-45)
it comes with a nice picture too, lol..

Posted by: james | Sep 20 2025 15:27 utc | 48

@ John Gilberts | Sep 20 2025 15:15 utc | 46
hey john – i guess disidentvoice reposted helmers article.. i saw dissendentvoice and thought it was a different link..

Posted by: james | Sep 20 2025 15:29 utc | 49

vargas @1
Welcome back! I’m guessing the NAFO troll farm finally has enough private funding to replace the US taxpayer dollars Trump cut? Must have been a tough couple months for you.
Anyway, yes, the US wants a war against Russia, with the key condition being that the US isn’t directly involved in the fighting and dying part. The US needs shockingly ignorant and easily manipulated dumbasses like the Ukrainians to sacrifice themselves for American geopolitical interests.
Nothing personal. Just imperial business.
The Baltic chihuahuas fit the dumb and gullible requirement, but they would only last a few hours if they somehow managed to seriously irritate the Russians. Poland? Well, polacks are kinda dumb, and there are enough of them to keep a meat grinder busy for a while, but they don’t seem sufficiently hysterical to commit suicide yet, despite efforts to whip them into a frenzy.
The only other serious military force in Europe after the Ukrainians (RIP) would be the Turks. While the Turks are far from super-geniuses, they are shrewd and their self-interest is reality-based, which is something western Europeans have apparently eagerly abandoned. The Turks don’t mind occasionally giving the bear a poke, so long as the bear is preoccupied with other matters, but there is no way Turkiye is going head-to-head with Russia. Too much certainty of pain with little of worth for them to gain.
The only realistic option for the US is to send a merc/sheep dipped NATO army in from Sandustan. For that to be in any way effective, though, it would have to be a huge force; a quarter million bayonets, not including the logistics and support tail, and even that likely won’t be enough to rattle the Russians. I only mention quarter million because I cannot imagine the Empire putting together a much bigger operation than that (merc armies are expensive, and the Empire isn’t in the best financial shape ever).
So yes, the US Establishment/Deep State wants more war with Russia, but they also want rainbow colored ponies and functional genitalia other than what they were born with. Their wants cannot be realized in the real world. Furthermore, they are at odds with the Trump faction of the imperial oligarchy, which wants to shift to confronting China. Or rather, they wanted to reorient offensive force towards China, but they are likely doing serious recalibration after China’s Victory Day parade. It is unclear what their plans are now.
Where the rest of Europe is concerned, you basically have a crowd of weak cowards jostling and pushing each other towards an annoyed bear. Which one is going to take the lead and get their delicate nose bloodied first?

Posted by: William Gruff | Sep 20 2025 15:31 utc | 50

@ vargas | Sep 20 2025 14:29 utc | 38

They are goingvto stage a fake Russian attackbon tjmselves.

Since we got the expert on the scene engaging with mere mortals again, let me ask.
Why haven’t they yet?
Ah, but let me rub my magic ball, you are going to say: “I don’t know.”
We know you don’t. We know.

Posted by: boneless | Sep 20 2025 15:39 utc | 51

Find your favorite AI and ask the following. Here is what YOU.COM said.
Is it possible to fly the length of the Baltic Sea without passing into the airspace of a NATO country?
Answer:
Flying the length of the Baltic Sea without entering NATO airspace is not possible.
Here is a link to a picture of the stupid island. Of course, this is complete Russian propaganda. Sarcasm. It is hard to underestimate the lies of the Western Media. Truth!
https://news-pravda.com/world/2025/09/20/1702705.html

Posted by: nevetz | Sep 20 2025 16:07 utc | 52

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 20 2025 12:56 utc | 18
“Now they are saying – Private savings need to be turned into investment”
“Ursula wants to give Citizens money away, saving accounts are going to be plundered”

As a German, I can happily report that we have done that before, with excellent results: Gold gab ich für Eisen and “Eisernes Sparen” during WW2. Ursula is almost at home 🙂

Posted by: William Gruff | Sep 20 2025 15:31 utc | 50
The USA wanted to reorient offensive force towards China, but they are likely doing serious recalibration after China’s Victory Day parade. It is unclear what their plans are now.

Only the inner circle can know for real but at least officially the main task of the US Army has been relocated very recently: it’s now the “home front”. I believe that the upcoming war against Venezuela (let’s hope Chinese support can prevent it) is part of that.

Posted by: Konami | Sep 20 2025 16:14 utc | 53

The statements by Estonia’s foreign minister Margus Tsahkna amount, in sight of the facts, to hysterical nonsense
The flight of Mig 31s is scarey, much like wandering into the basement and seeing spiders. What unacustomed woman is not alarmed by seeing spiders? How could anyone possibly call her hysterical?
This language (hysteria) is a rallying cry among feminists. They will bring up the specter of such an accusation to normal behavior as a method for dehumanizing, degradation or even institutionalization. So this word has been repurpised.
There lies the rub. How do you riposte in a foreign policy sphere when a feminist becomes alarmed? Ignore? Or respond so inadequately that the source of alarm never gets remediation without and adverse consequence and you say “I did my best”. Either way, the alarmed party is looking for a “white knight”. Indulging this impulse will only dig you in deeper.
I would call the RF response just about right. Ignore the hysteria for a day or 2 and then describe the source of alarm as normal, which kind of takes the puff out of the chests of the white knights.
Lastly, the absence of a USAID media ecosystem has blunted the propaganda effect for this story. Propaganda works best when enforcement arises out of a perception that a predominance of the population shares the alarm. That way virtue signaling increases status. That just doesnt seem to be happening here.
Anot

Posted by: frithguild | Sep 20 2025 16:18 utc | 54

SCF
probably already posted sorry if so
is there a Great Game affot?
This article is very convincing that there may actually be some 5D chess at play
Despite having a strong narrative opportunity regarding Guyana, which Trump is silent about, the U.S. President neither pursues regime change, nor major kinetic action, in Venezuela for numerous reasons. Significantly these are not to provoke a rise in energy costs, and also with respect to Russia-Venezuela relations, which are good. The renewed positive relationship between Russia and the U.S. figures prominently in understanding the nature of the great game at work.
Military action and confrontation are foolish and do not need to begin when they provide no long-term advantage to the would-be aggressor. Venezuela holds the largest proven reserves in the world and exports around 700k–800k barrels per day, with approximately 303 billion barrels as of 2024, ahead of Saudi Arabia. Conflict-historical precedence strongly suggests such a conflict could push Brent crude up by $10–20 per barrel almost immediately, and this figure would either sustain or increase based upon the duration or unpredictability of such a conflict in Venezuela.
full essay
https://strategic-culture.su/news/2025/09/20/are-trump-and-maduro-secretly-friends-smoke-mirrors-in-47s-win-win-game-in-venezuela/

Posted by: ld | Sep 20 2025 16:19 utc | 55

jeebus
Afoot
I am consistently careless

Posted by: ld | Sep 20 2025 16:20 utc | 56

*** [AI answer to “Is it possible to fly the length of the Baltic Sea without passing into the airspace of a NATO country?”] Flying the length of the Baltic Sea without entering NATO airspace is not possible. ***
Posted by: nevetz | Sep 20 2025 16:07 utc | 52
This is a great point. That any particular AI answer is fully based on an LLM is about as accurate as saying the mainstream media (USAID ecosystem) is not biased.

Posted by: frithguild | Sep 20 2025 16:25 utc | 57

Sliding into a world war is an understatement, I think the EU is careering along the world war path. And it is astonishing that their citizens seem clueless about this.

Posted by: Steve | Sep 20 2025 16:26 utc | 58

Posted by: nevetz | Sep 20 2025 16:07 utc | 52
As in other complex bordering region there is a corridor, albeit a very narrow one, that is, or should be, recognized as ‘international’.
It’s actually impossible for common people to know if Russian jets did violate the corridor or it’s simple estonia/Nato bragging about.
By the way such ‘incidents’ happen on regular basis, both sides, but this time they wanted to pump it up.
Myut sensation is that europe need to keep the bad Russia narrative in a situation where Ukraine front is in deep shit, the coalition of the willing is in deep shit too, and public opinions in the whole Europe are shifting to antiwar positions.

Posted by: Mario | Sep 20 2025 16:27 utc | 59

A question for Estonia: if you have recognisably hostile aircraft in your airspace for 12 minutes, surely that is long enough for your air defence systems to acquire the targets and lock on, even if you don’t launch?
If 12 minutes isn’t long enough then you’re in deep doo-doo.
If you haven’t actually got any air defences the doo-doo doesn’t get any shallower…

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Sep 20 2025 16:44 utc | 60

*** A question for Estonia: if you have recognisably hostile aircraft in your airspace for 12 minutes, surely that is long enough for your air defence systems to acquire the targets and lock on, even if you don’t launch? ***
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Sep 20 2025 16:44 utc | 60
So the scary things will get worse until you attitude improves, Mother Kallas (She functionally is a demigod or at minimum a high priestess in the postmodernt religion)? Hmmm.
How about Russian planes have flown from st. Petersburg to Kaliningrad 10,000 times over the past 5 years. You should tell us how this time is different (Gretel asking the evil witch if the oven is the right temperature to cook Hansel).

Posted by: frithguild | Sep 20 2025 16:59 utc | 61

Sliding into a world war is an understatement, I think the EU is careering along the world war path. And it is astonishing that their citizens seem clueless about this.
Posted by: Steve | Sep 20 2025 16:26 utc | 58
I had a discussion at work lately with a guy who is in his late fifties and in a leading position within the company.
For him Russia is a threat (not to mention China) and he pities that the USA doesn’t want to help us anymore and so we Europeans must strengthen our armies. He believes that without NATO Russia would invade the whole of eastern and maybe even western Europe.
I told him that I don’t consider Russia a threat and I consider the possibility, that Russia desires to invade eastern or western Europe, as extremly unlikely. I’d rather have good relations with Russia and doing business with them as we did in the last decades.
From that moment on, a reasonable discussion wasn’t anymore possible with him. He reacted like an over-emotional teenager who hasn’t learned to debate.
I don’t know how common his mindset (“the beast from the east”) is across Europe. My only hope is that between having this mindset and be ready to go to war themselves or sending their sons to war, there is an ocean of difference.

Posted by: NoName | Sep 20 2025 17:00 utc | 62

Replying to firthguild 57.
The reason that I like you.com is that it provides the reasoning for its conclusion allowing you to evaluate the chain of thought yourself. I omitted the full response in my posting. Your point in general is well taken but really, try the question yourself at you.com, and then let me know what you think.

Posted by: nevetz | Sep 20 2025 17:04 utc | 63

*** I don’t know how common his mindset (“the beast from the east”) is across Europe. My only hope is that between having this mindset and be ready to go to war themselves or sending their sons to war, there is an ocean of difference.
Posted by: NoName | Sep 20 2025 17:00 utc | 62
It probably prevails. A classic example of effective propaganda – the goal of enforcement is adopted by the public in general. They have quite a conquest with him.
This guy just doesnt want to be scared anymore. All you can do with him is plant a mustard seed: “Do not repay evil for evil or reviling for reviling, but on the contrary, zbless, for ato this you were called, that you may obtain a blessing.”

Posted by: frithguild | Sep 20 2025 17:08 utc | 64

Posted by: nevetz | Sep 20 2025 17:04 utc | 63
Google AI gave me an accurate response to the very question you posed, which convinces me even more that AI answers to hot topic questions are manipulated for the purpose of propaganda.

Posted by: frithguild | Sep 20 2025 17:11 utc | 65

As I always wrote here (being always ridiculed for that), the west wants hot war with Russia and would do anything, anything to get it. No cost is to high. Europe is blood thirsty. They dream, oh how much they dream about the new Drang nach Osten. It would be like a crown for the 400 years long colonial expansion.
Russia is trying to postpone that war but there are limits to that.
I think everybody now see what I saw for in the first moment.
Posted by: vargas | Sep 20 2025 10:30 utc | 1
But why?
You can’t win a conventional war given hypersonic technology that you can’t even defend against!
You won’t dare wage a nuclear war; Western Europe would no longer be habitable for a long time…
Unless the expected millions of deaths plus the expected unrest and hunger due to the collapse of the global economy, another 2 billion deaths, are the purpose and purpose, the real goal?
Reducing the world population at ANY COST.
Not only classified by the Migrosoft boss as a problem facing humanity that must have priority over everything else.
Another explanation why the elites AND ONLY THEM are so desperate to provoke a war with Russia, a war they will NEVER win; on the contrary, there will NEVER be a future for humanity without Russia.
A Trump seems to know something, which is why he beats around the bush and doesn’t have the courage to directly challenge a clever Putin, a far superior opponent.
Even the USA is far inferior to a Russian attack. Once their aircraft carriers are gone, they face the choice of launching a nuclear weapon, which, given the hypersonic nature of the war, means their own demise. And making the far larger Russia uninhabitable isn’t enough for America’s nuclear weapons…in contrast, the territory of the USA would be 100% uninhabitable.
Therefore, the only remaining reason is the aforementioned one: reducing the world population by any means necessary. Corona has failed. And resources for almost 9 billion will never be enough…not even with Russia’s.
Whether Putin is involved…possible. But in Alaska, it was hardly about Ukraine; it was more about whether someone would allow something and how they would react, for example, to Israel or the USA to Iran.
In any case, the warmongers today will NOT be in Europe when things go wrong, but they can never be sure that they won’t be hit somewhere else in the world. If Putin is involved, he will spare Boston and New York if the worst comes to the worst. If not, will a Trump trade Warsaw and Berlin for Paris? I don’t think so.
Just an opinion.
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Posted by: Genesis | Sep 20 2025 17:21 utc | 66

False flags and spoofing in this context are tactics of terrorists. Most of the West’s leaders have signed onto the conspiracy and each is given a role to fulfill. They don’t realize that they just look like ugly clowns.

Posted by: norecovery | Sep 20 2025 17:22 utc | 67

I tried Google as you suggested. Its response seems reasonable to me?
Is it possible to fly the length of the baltic sea without passing into the airspace of a nato country?
Thinking
Kicking off 4 searches
Looking at 90 sites
Getting info from Flights
Flights
Due to recent geopolitical changes, it is no longer possible to fly the entire length of the Baltic Sea without entering NATO airspace. This changed in 2024 when Sweden joined NATO, making nearly all coastal and international waters of the Baltic Sea fall within the alliance’s sphere of influence.

Posted by: nevetz | Sep 20 2025 17:25 utc | 68

False flags and spoofing in this context are tactics of terrorists. Most of the West’s leaders have signed onto the conspiracy and each is given a role to fulfill. They don’t realize that they just look like ugly clowns.
Posted by: norecovery | Sep 20 2025 17:22 utc | 67
What do you mean, you don’t notice?
They know what they’re doing. There’s a plan, but it certainly didn’t originate in the minds of any of the country’s leaders; others are behind it.
And lots and lots of money, blackmailers’ knowledge, and lust for power, as well as their dream of their own survival.

Posted by: Genesis | Sep 20 2025 17:31 utc | 69

They’re preparing everything!!
How should Russia react now? How would you react in Putin’s shoes, assuming responsibility for millions of Russians, but also assuming total superiority, or at least a good chance?
This is what’s happening in Poland right now:
Ten countries have joined NATO’s Eastern Sentry operation in Poland, Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk announced.
He said France, Great Britain, the USA, Germany, the Netherlands, Sweden, Norway, the Czech Republic, Portugal, and Italy had pledged additional assistance to Poland following the drone attack.
He did not specify the extent of the assistance, nor the number of soldiers or weapons.
➡️However, it is already known that the French Rafale fighter jets belonging to a special unit that have arrived in Poland are capable of carrying nuclear weapons. These aircraft do not belong to units traditionally tasked with air defense, but rather to units of the 4th Air Wing, stationed at the 113th Air Base in Saint-Dizier-Robinson and specialized in nuclear weapons.
They can be armed with ASMP missiles carrying a nuclear warhead with an explosive yield of 100 to 300 kilotons of TNT and a range of up to 600 kilometers.
❗️The fighter jets presumably arrived in Poland without nuclear warheads. However, at the same time as the Rafale, an A-400M Atlas transport aircraft landed at the Minsk-Mazowiecki Air Base with an unknown cargo.
End

Posted by: Genesis | Sep 20 2025 17:39 utc | 70

Estonia for Russia is a flake of dandruff that gets brushed off the shoulder onto the floor and not worried about any further. The Zapad FTX is complete freeing its participants to go and implement what they learned–not all, but 50,000 would be a very big jolt to wherever they’re deployed. That IMO is fueling the hysteria.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 20 2025 17:48 utc | 71

Just hearing the coverage for this ¨incident¨ now.
Empty claims of ¨heading for Estonia´s capital, Talinn¨ (multiple usages of this phrase)
No maps of flight route.
No mention of routine Russian traffic via Gulf of Finland nor particularities of maritime regime in place there.
Actually using old photos of Lenin for some reason.
Excited references to Turkish shoot-down of Russian jet in Syria (as example to apply to Estonia/rest of NATO).
(never mind that Turkey had already entered it´s military and proxy mercenaries into Syrian territory)
(and never mind that Turkey subsequently apologized and at one point had made compensation offer)
Empty claims of ¨Putin really wants NATO to shoot down planes¨
Empty claims of ¨Even most pro-Russian perspective would not deny…¨
(no actual direct citations nor interiews with pro-Russian or Russian government sources)
Of course, TONS of British accents (this being in US media coverage, so notable).

Posted by: xanax | Sep 20 2025 17:55 utc | 72

Re: Looking for answers from AI
Unless AI has access to the transponders of the planes and the ground radar facilities plus an airspace map of the alleged violated nation, then the answer will never be reliable.
Current AI crawls the web and presents a consensus of opinions from trusted sources. Since this lie was simultaneously broadcast across most western media, naturally western AI will present it as fact. It is a feature, not a bug.

Posted by: Fool Me Twice | Sep 20 2025 17:57 utc | 73

If it weren’t so bellicose and dangerous, it would be amusing to watch the midget Estonia shake its puny little fists at world historic Russia.
Thank goodness we have the Nostradamus of the bar, Vargas, to describe the future for us mere mortals. Seriously though, say no to crack, Vargas.
That Imperialism wants to break Russia by any means available (there are few, really only nukes, which will be met by nukes and the collective destruction of all life on earth) was patent to every human with a pulse circa 2014, at the latest.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Sep 20 2025 18:01 utc | 74

Posted by: norecovery | Sep 20 2025 17:22 utc | 67
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Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 20 2025 18:09 utc | 75

*** “Is it possible to fly the length of the baltic sea without passing into the airspace of a nato country?”
Posted by: nevetz | Sep 20 2025 17:25 utc | 68
*** Current AI crawls the web and presents a consensus of opinions from trusted sources. Since this lie was simultaneously broadcast across most western media, naturally western AI will present it as fact. It is a feature, not a bug.
Posted by: Fool Me Twice | Sep 20 2025 17:57 utc | 73
If I recall all correctly, the AI answer that I obtained to this question separated by 2.5 hours or so varied significantly, the earlier being more accurate.

Posted by: frithguild | Sep 20 2025 18:09 utc | 76

I don’t know how common his mindset (“the beast from the east”) is across Europe. My only hope is that between having this mindset and be ready to go to war themselves or sending their sons to war, there is an ocean of difference.
Posted by: NoName | Sep 20 2025 17:00 utc | 62

It’s very common. It comes from generation of indoctrination and inherent racism toward slavs. Any logic coming in the way will be thrown out of the window.
It is impossible to negotiate with:
-Baltic states
-Finland
-Sweden
-Denmark
It might be possible to negotiate with:
-Romania
-France
-Spain
-Portugal
-Italy
-Croatia
-Montenegro
-Greece
By ridding them of their globalist leaders. The population inherently isn’t hostile as in North Europe.
It is very important to dish out decisive defeat on Ukraine to the point that a land border with Romania is obtained and Odessa kept from Nato control. It will open the floodgates for collapsing Nato and EU.

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 20 2025 18:19 utc | 77

ADIZ = Air Defense Identification Zone
Thats NOT a country‘s Airspace
Map of Taiwan‘s ADIZ which extends far into Mainland China
https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/taiwan/adiz.htm

Posted by: Exile | Sep 20 2025 18:31 utc | 78

Just thinking aloud … sending some Russian jets to flirt with NATO airspace has a beneficial effect for Russia … suddenly, sending those vital “Patriots” to Zelensky no longer sounds like such a great idea for the Chihauahas.
Better husband them carefully, you might need them, Estonia/Lithuania/Germany.

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Sep 20 2025 18:35 utc | 79

I become daily more convinced that the slow pace of Russia’s occupation of such Ukrainian territory as could be comfortably integrated into the Russian Federation does not indicate military weakness on Russia’s part or even military prudence. Rather, it reflects diplomatic patience. To put it bluntly, Russia is waiting for Europe to grow up.
The juvenile outrage over the likely invented intrusion of Russian jets into Estonian airspace is only one of several recent pieces of shoddy theatre which tell us the Russians are in for a long wait.
The Chinese apparently sometimes refer to the US as a monkey with a grenade. I think we in the West should seriously consider the likelihood that from the perspective of the civilized world we are all seen as dangerous imps who might some day be pacified into some semblance of mature rationality, but only through very patient and diplomatic pampering.

Posted by: Roger Milbrandt | Sep 20 2025 18:40 utc | 80

the conversation and experiments regarding AI are interesting here.. thanks to those sharing those insights..

Posted by: james | Sep 20 2025 18:50 utc | 81

the conversation and experiments regarding AI are interesting here.
Posted by: james | Sep 20 2025 18:50 utc | 81

The bonfire will shortly run out of fuel.
https://semianalysis.com/2025/09/16/xais-colossus-2-first-gigawatt-datacenter/#can-xai-afford-colossus-2

Posted by: too scents | Sep 20 2025 19:13 utc | 82

I don’t know if this is legit, claims Flight Map from Republic of Estonia Air Defence Forces. Seems ADIZ?
Image search preview:
https://yandex.ru/images/touch/search?text=Air+chart+air+traffic++routes+Helsinki+Talin&lr=10429&rpt=simage
Article with flight map:
https://adevarul.ro/stiri-externe/europa/estonia-a-publicat-o-harta-cu-traiectoria-de-zbor-2473485.html

Posted by: Mercury | Sep 20 2025 19:15 utc | 83

Hey! Maybe the GPS those Russian jets were using for navigation got spoofed, perhaps by the evil EU? It happens all the time! Just ask Von Der Lying.

Posted by: Gavin Longmuir | Sep 20 2025 19:22 utc | 84

Nobody ever said the west doesnt want war with Russia. Vargas stupid as always.
Everybody knows the west wants war with Russia. They want to fuck Russia real bad, problem is first convincing their wife to let them, and the second is finding a cure for their impotence.

Posted by: UWDude | Sep 20 2025 19:31 utc | 85

Reply to 62:
The EU “elites” want to strengthen their military forces for use against their own citizens in the near future. It’s clear that the lack of democracy and declining standards of living will bring social unrest to a boil. The Russian boogieman narrative provides BS misdirection as to why the expensive military buildup is necessary.
Posted by: tomodachi

Posted by: tomodachi | Sep 20 2025 19:40 utc | 86

MiG-31 is a high altitude interceptor fighter jet that can carry Kinzhal missile. There is no combat duty for which MiG-31 needs to enter an airspace of such a small country as Estonia. There is nothing interesting in Estonia for that kind of aircraft.
Estonia is just rising stink not for the security reasons but for political ones. Probably in someone else behalf.

Posted by: hopehely | Sep 20 2025 19:44 utc | 87

@ hopehely | Sep 20 2025 19:44 utc | 87
Do all missions follow a logic of combat duty?
How about the planes were getting from point A to B and didn’t bother flying around the territorial waters? Or maybe it was a way to test NATO response. Or a challenge perhaps? Who knows. In any case it happens quite regularly.

Posted by: robin | Sep 20 2025 19:58 utc | 88

“This is one of the reasons why the president of Russia is concerned that we are sliding toward World War III”
If he’s talking about Russia vs Nato, that is a bit of a strange thing to say as he has sponsored and enabled nato since 90s. After each expansion he gave them more free energy, feeding the next expansion. All he does is say “oh no.. they tricked me, Merkel, Macron, everyone” then the story repeats a few years later. He recognized the coup as if nothing strange has happened. Who does that? How bad the secret services can be to not see that Ukr/nato will never surrender, when he started first retreat (also said “they tricked me” and blamed first Istanbul)? The reporter should have asked who will be the enemies in ww3? Will Gerasy artillery duel Eu in this ww3? Will Eu and Rf nuke each other? Russia loves Us now, so can’t be them. Even Iran is happy in bed with Iaea, as Russia suggested, but not to Israel.

Posted by: rk | Sep 20 2025 20:01 utc | 89

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 20 2025 17:48 utc | 71
Indeed. Estonia basically has no air force, Latvia and Lithuania’s are pitiful too.
After leaving the Soviet Union, they didn’t bother to build up their own air forces and only got cover by begging it from NATO.
If you cannot enforce your own air space, you don’t really have any.

Posted by: ChatNPC | Sep 20 2025 20:04 utc | 90

Posted by: robin | Sep 20 2025 19:58 utc | 88
Yes. There was no reason for Estonia to rise stink about it. They could just ignore it. Or inform NATO and let Brussels handle it.
But they did it by themselves as if they are in clear and present danger.
They overreacted on some (alleged) small trespassing.

Posted by: hopehely | Sep 20 2025 20:16 utc | 91

“The small and often imaginary incidents, like this ‘incursion’, add up in the public mind with the effect of making it more anti-Russian.”
Here in Australia, those I have spoken to believe this sort of propaganda. We join every American war and they think we attack these countries because we are good and they are bad.
There are very few innocents.
In the last ten years, their have all made their conscious choice.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 20 2025 20:18 utc | 92

Posted by: ChatNPC | Sep 20 2025 20:04 utc | 90
These three countries together have a population of not even six million people and dire demographics.
Lets be real for a moment: any discussion of military belligerence is laughable at best but for the most part sad and completely delusional.

Posted by: kspr | Sep 20 2025 20:21 utc | 93

A bit of an article in Reuters at the moment about US pulling all aid from the eastern European poodles bordering Russia. Probably why they are yapping in a frenzy.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 20 2025 20:21 utc | 94

@ too scents | Sep 20 2025 19:13 utc | 82
thanks too scents… yes – how do they get the energy to run all this stuff? lots of money going into it though..

Posted by: james | Sep 20 2025 20:22 utc | 95

I bet there is not many Russians who ever dream of taking ‘Europe’
If there were any ever.
The corralary on the other hand is not as equal.
There are a lot more ‘Europeans’ who dream of taking Russia!
They have tried every century for centuries. Fail. Try again.
They just failed again and can’t believe Russia refuses to March on Kiev or krakow or even [looks at notes] Estonia? Some backwater with a population the size of a modern town!
Pearl clutching. Divaish. Pantomime dames.
It’s actually quiet funny. 🤣
Look forward to Medvedev and Maria’s take.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Sep 20 2025 20:29 utc | 96

Cui bono: weapon dealers and all the wealthy Western pensioneers who get big money through their shares in hedge funds etc
US trying to take the EU with them for a war on Iran
EU trying to take the US with them for a war on Russia and China
The MIC stocks must be in heaven

Posted by: Minaa | Sep 20 2025 20:30 utc | 97

james | Sep 20 2025 20:22 utc | 95
Bloody American data centres. Approval for Eleven of them have been given in Sydney.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 20 2025 20:32 utc | 98

The effectiveness of capitalist brainwashing never ceases to amaze.

Posted by: William Gruff | Sep 20 2025 14:05 utc | 32
Lithuania in particular has seen better days in the past when it was a regional power and a catholic stronghold. But now it is just one of 3 Chihuahuas that feels left out, trying to gain some importance out of their proximity with the evil bear. All they can do is make a lot of noise, hoping that Daddy will eventually discover and reward them. While this behavior fits in neatly with the Biden policy, it doesn’t work so well with Trump.
Small countries tend to have a Chihuahua psychology – while you don’t have real capacities to offer, make a lot of noise and propose what you think endears you with the boss, be his mouthpiece – other examples of this mindset are Ukraine before the SMO, Finnland and Poland, and, lately, you can add Germany and France to the list. And now, it’s the barking day of Estonia, Poland and Romania, with Mark Rutte playing the part of Daddy.

Posted by: grunzt | Sep 20 2025 21:27 utc | 99

*** Everybody knows the west wants war with Russia. They want to fuck Russia real bad, problem is first convincing their wife to let them, and the second is finding a cure for their impotence.
Posted by: UWDude | Sep 20 2025 19:31 utc | 85
*** Pearl clutching. Divaish. Pantomime dames. ***
Posted by: DunGroanin | Sep 20 2025 20:29 utc | 96
More like EU want her husband to kick RF ass and hubby looks away, rolls his eyes and wispers to himself “not this shit again.”

Posted by: frithguild | Sep 20 2025 21:29 utc | 100