Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
August 21, 2025
Ukraine’s Future – A ‘Steppe Corridor’ – A Neutral, Transit-oriented State

While Russia is confidently prosecuting the war in Ukraine towards its inevitable end.

Meanwhile the 'West' is still negotiating with itself about the conditions under which it will have to capitulate.

Discussions continue about 'security guarantees' for Ukraine even as the only serious ones are those that Russia is willing to give.

The confused arguments about 'guarantees' are reflected in the reports of them. Consider this nonsense:

A security guarantee could encompass a wide range of issues. In return for Russia ending its invasion, a security pact could include a pledge of U.S. air support for any European-led operations should Russian troops resume their assault.

If Russia ends the war NATO like 'security guarantees' are to be given to Ukraine as a reward?

How is that supposed to compute? Russia started this war to prevent a further extension of NATO into Ukraine. Why should it end the fighting if, in consequence, Ukraine would end up as a quasi-member of that pact?

All the 'security guarantees' talk is just obfuscation of the attempt by some European leaders to prolong the war by further dragging the U.S. into it:

Days before the [sanctions] deadline expired, Putin invited Witkoff to Moscow and offered a proposal, seen by the White House as sufficient grounds to set up last week’s Alaska summit meeting. There, Putin succeeded in convincing Trump that an immediate ceasefire to allow for complex peace negotiations was not required, allowing Russia to continue its attacks on Ukraine, without the risk of new U.S. sanctions.

The move alarmed European leaders, who raced to Washington on Monday to back up Zelensky during a meeting at the White House. After the meeting, they appeared satisfied by Trump’s openness to security guarantees. If Putin does not accept the terms, that could make the Kremlin the obstacle to Trump’s peace deal, insulating Ukraine from having to choose between untenable concessions of territory and inviting Trump’s ire.

Russia is not going to allow any of this:

[O]n Wednesday, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov struck a blow at another major part of Trump’s peace effort, downplaying expectations for a swift bilateral meeting with the Ukrainian president, and further blocking the prospects for any deal on security guarantees for Ukraine. He said Russia would only agree to the measures if it had an effective veto over future efforts to defend Kyiv.

Russia will simply stick to its plan:

Russia’s conditions to end its war would essentially subvert Ukraine’s sovereignty, neuter its military and seize territory in eastern Ukraine that it has not captured in battle. Moscow wants to also permanently bar Ukraine from NATO and other international groupings and prevent it from hosting foreign troops — terms that would force Ukraine into a close, unwanted economic and political partnership with Russia.

A close economic and political partnership with Russia, unwanted or not, is indeed the most likely future for whatever is by then left of Ukraine.

Some Ukrainians, like the former presidential advisor Alexander Arestovich, do understand that:

The key task for Ukraine today in all these Alaskan tales is to preserve political independence in the long term.

Ukraine has only one way to preserve it: acknowledging the shared symbolic capital with Russia and Belarus, adopting a neutral status, and building good-neighborly relations with Russia and Belarus while maintaining political independence and the unique role of a “crossroads of worlds”- between Russia and Europe.

Economically, the most promising role is that of a “steppe corridor” – between Russia, Central Asia, the South Caucasus, and the EU.
In short, this is about a fundamental shift in project orientation – from a narrow, nationalist one to a broad, transit-oriented one.

In a sense, this could be called a “Great Return” – to Ukraine’s natural historical and cultural role.

By way of analogy – modern Kazakhstan.

In conclusion, the fundamental challenge for Ukraine lies not in tactical maneuvers but in recognizing the strategic perspective: the necessity of reimagining its role as a neutral, transit-oriented state in order to preserve independence in the emerging geopolitical order.

Comments

thanks b…
at least some ukrainians ( alexander arestovich ) understand this… reposting that map you had of ukraine over the years would be helpful here.. nothing stays the same forever.. everything changes.. the world is changing..lets hope for a better world..

Posted by: james | Aug 21 2025 14:51 utc | 1

Given that Ukraine is completely bankrupt and it’s elites are making huge fortunes off the war they are unlikely to stop it any time soon. Russia also has to be aware that no matter how the war ends Western Ukraine is essentially going to be a European Idlib which will always offer a threat in some regards. To the last Ukrainian is the sadly inevitable logic of this war.

Posted by: SB | Aug 21 2025 14:53 utc | 2

“Russia started this war to prevent a further extension of NATO into Ukraine.”
Inaccurate.
Russia entered the already ongoing Ukraine civil war when requested by the Donbass republics.

Posted by: Figleaf23 | Aug 21 2025 14:58 utc | 3

“In conclusion, the fundamental challenge for Ukraine lies not in tactical maneuvers but in recognizing the strategic perspective: the necessity of reimagining its role as a neutral, transit-oriented state in order to preserve independence in the emerging geopolitical order.”
That’s a true (but belated) Ukrainian nationalist there. The sentiment reflects a real concern about the future of Ukraine and it’s people. The Z regime couldn’t give a shit about Ukraine or it’s people and that is proven every second it’s pointless martyrdom for Imperialism continues.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Aug 21 2025 15:01 utc | 4

Posted by: SB | Aug 21 2025 14:53 utc | 2
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If I am Russia, I might want the EU to have an Idlib.
It will keep them busy and the UK isn’t going to worry about Poland’s problems.
In the short term, it might be ideal.
Russia has clean hands as Europe has made Ukraine it’s priority.
Rotten corrupt Ukraine “belongs” in the EU. 😜😜😜

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 21 2025 15:04 utc | 5

¨If Putin does not accept the terms¨ (i.e. fantasies of NATO peace-keepers / security guarantees / ongoing military ties / etc)
The thing is, if they were so confident they are in position to achieve this, or Russia is weak enough to not refuse it, then why not just say that they are rejecting Russia´s previously stated terms (and not just rejecting them, but wanting to implement the opposite of them). Those terms aren´t secret, one can even find them in the rare corners of NATO bubble media which actually reports things like details of Russia´s claims and policies. The thing is, this ¨pretend ignorance¨ is only explainable by lack of confidence: to openly discuss Russia´s demands, even to reject them, opens the window of awareness to those policies and rejection may work temporarily but having admitted them to the realm of discourse allows that eventually, they may be re-assessed as acceptable. That is the entire function of this pretend ignorance stance, to avoid the possibility of free discussion of facts and positions of the ¨other side¨. Of course, that does nothing to achieve ¨(Maidan) Ukraine winning¨. IMHO assessing policy goals based on propaganda which is clearly at odds with reality does not penetrate to the true goals. Those do not feature ¨Ukraine winning¨ as core precept (albeit, certainly those may be fantasist ¨stretch goals¨ mostly useful to motivate the ¨true believer¨ minions). The true goal therefore is 100% compatible with Ukraine NOT winning, and in fact ultimately losing, but the conflict with Russia being escalated and extended. That itself, not plausibly based on ¨Russia losing¨, but on the adjacent policies we see amongst ¨US allies¨: militarization (much of which goes to US and more recently, Israel) and breaking productive ties outside US´ sphere of influence including alignment with ¨3rd party sanctions regime¨.
Consider the resistance to ending such ties (as we saw during 2014-2022 period), but once those are broken it is ¨spilled milk¨ and nearly all actors make themselves content with the new reality, even if it is objectively worse than before. The US strategy aimed at Russia, but even more so China, does not depend on defeating those countries and that is not coherent way to understand the strategy. The strategy´s main targets are it´s own sphere of influence, NATO or otherwise, which it demands to break ties with ¨US enemies¨, despite institutions like NATO historically being ¨geographically limited¨ and not implying global military alliance (e.g. see Vietnam war). From the first moment of SMO, the US was harping on about China (despite China being key to the Ukraine´s drone program, most especially early on). The US has already been successful at getting the EU to impose anti-China policies, and any policy that is NOT anti-China is consistently questioned (e.g. Atlanticist opposition to Spain ties with Huawei).
This policy is not one of success or positive construction, as it implies the world market being fractured, with a smaller portion to be shared by ever decreasing number of corporate monopolists. This is all the worse for countries who China (+BRICS etc) provide most of their trade volume (and even more, growth), such as most of Latin America. But for all the fanaticist propaganda, empire is run pragmatically, and countries may be ¨allowed¨ to continue that to some degree, since any degree of constriction there is still a net win for Empire USA.

Posted by: xanax | Aug 21 2025 15:12 utc | 6

Meanwhile it’s business as usual for Russia: https://southfront.press/long-arm-of-war-russian-missiles-shatter-ukrainian-west-in-one-of-most-devastating-attacks/

Posted by: Elmer Fudd | Aug 21 2025 15:16 utc | 7

Still have questions about Arestovich, he was rabidly Russophobic in the early days of the SMO. Has he genuinely “changed his shoes”? Which faction is backing him?
Although, as b observes, he is correct about the best prospects for alignment by whatever remains of Ukraine; probably could include some sort of associateship with BRICS/EAEU, rather than looking westward.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 21 2025 15:34 utc | 8

Domestic partner (she is Russian/Ukrainian 50/50) and I both admire the pragmatic positions that Arestovych has taken throughout the conflict.
However, his speaking and thinking style (both are too fast and complex) are unlikely to resonate with the average Ukrainian voter. He would be most effective in a senior strategy and policy role in a new Ukrainian government. Not as a people’s president.
As for why this post-war strategy will not work, “the west” and hard core nationalists will not allow it to work. They have invested untold hundreds of billions and decades of propaganda to pry Ukraine away from Russia.
Look at what they did to “peace candidate”, Zelensky. Clearly there was some combination bribes, blackmail and extortion which got him to turn 180% from the platform which got him elected. New government, they will do it again.

Posted by: Fool Me Twice | Aug 21 2025 15:36 utc | 9

“Russia started this war to prevent a further extension of NATO into Ukraine.”
Inaccurate.
Russia entered the already ongoing Ukraine civil war when requested by the Donbass republics.
Posted by: Figleaf23 | Aug 21 2025 14:58 utc | 3
Yes but Russia should have acted in 2014 when Poroschenko decide to wage war on Donbass and civilians, if not for the Donbass militia’s at that time the Ukrainians would have overrun Donbass

Posted by: Englishman | Aug 21 2025 15:37 utc | 10

“talking to themselves” is all the U.S./EU have done for the past 10 years.
Frankly all very boring, both Russia & US/EU… all are global drama queens… oh and Nuttyahoo.
The silent majority are tired of having to read all their endless blather as they each claim King of the World crowns.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Aug 21 2025 15:41 utc | 11

I made a mistake when I said that Putin would betray Russia by accepting the western security guarantees.
According to Lavrov they rejected that. I can trust Lsvrov.
Posted by: vargas | Aug 21 2025 15:32 utc | 8
When Trump claimed that Putin would have no problem with EU troops in Ukraine, he may have meant that Putin is not trembling, not necessarily that Putin would welcome this.

Posted by: BlindSpot | Aug 21 2025 15:43 utc | 12

Russia entered the ongoing Ukrainian civil war (which began in 2014 when the Nazis began massacring ethnic Russians in the Donbas and Odessa) in 2022.
Russia learned the lesson tried and true from what happened to ethnic Serbs in the Krajina in 1995. The Serb Republic of Krajina was overrun by NATO backed and led Croatan fascist forces. This move effectively cut off Serb access to the Adriatic Sea (another NATO goal) and drove 250,000 Serbs out of their homes, farms and businesses. Serb churches, and monuments were destroyed and Serb police officers and troopers were summarily executed by the fascists.
Putin understands fully the goals and asperations of neo con NATO group………
Fast forward to 1999 when NATO forces cut off the Serbian home province of Kosovo from Serbia in conjunction with the fascist jihadi forces of the KLA.
The Ukrainians were using the same playbook, in this case, rout the ethnic Russians from the Donbas.
Putin wisely struck the first blow to prevent the ethnic massacre of Russians. Putin will never allow NATO into one inch of the Ukraine.
Twenty five years later NATO still occupies Kosovo.

Posted by: tobias cole | Aug 21 2025 15:47 utc | 13

Yes but Russia should have acted in 2014 when Poroschenko decide to wage war on Donbass and civilians, if not for the Donbass militia’s at that time the Ukrainians would have overrun Donbass
Posted by: Englishman | Aug 21 2025 15:37 utc | 11
How do you think the “globalists” that orchestrated World War II sucked Hitler into invading Poland in the first place? By Poland attacking the german-speaking citizens in Poland.
Good thing Putin knows history. Or he might’ve gotten sucked in, too.
The West needs new playbooks.

Posted by: Nooneuknow | Aug 21 2025 15:53 utc | 14

dear Figleaf, I can get your point.
But pls think again whether the second point (the civil war that raged in Donbass at that time) is already included… in your first point concept (Nato expansion to the East).
I ve always figured that the expansion temptation accepted by Kiev led to the donbass war, Debalsevo etc.

Posted by: augusto | Aug 21 2025 16:06 utc | 15

Tobias Cole you ve hit on the crosshairs.
And further the KOSSOVO ”independence” move made by US/Nato resulted in the biggest US base in europe Camp Bondsteel set up immediteately AFTER the so called independence.
No news.
The US had done the same in Panama (canal). In germany. In Iraq. AND are trying to do in Paraguay right now.

Posted by: augusto | Aug 21 2025 16:14 utc | 16

DW: Scott Ritter
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bt-zD9dP6cw
“A new era or a deeper divide? Russia and the West face off.”
DW: Richard D Wolff & Michael Hudson
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCOuLCFNplY
“Trump pushes NATO into new proxy wars after Ukraine collapse”?

Posted by: JohnGilberts | Aug 21 2025 16:16 utc | 17

“How is that supposed to compute? Russia started this war to prevent a further extension of NATO into Ukraine. Why should it end the fighting if, in consequence, Ukraine would end up as a quasi-member of that pact?”
B – if this happens, or anything close to it, one would have to admit my hypothesis, that all sides are on the same team creating theatrical specticals for the general public while all our personal and national sovereignty rights are obliterated, is likely true.
This SMO started immediately during/after the Canadians stood up against their tyranical government and other world citizen’s began Canadian copy cat movements against tyranny.
Ukraine has been used ever since to battlefield test the latest military and drone technology while depleting all potential stockpiles and all the mercs who know how to use them.
China, Russia, the USA with the BIS, WHO and WEF now have total unthreatened control. Any opposition now is miniscule.
But the again, I could be wrong.

Posted by: Merv Ritchie | Aug 21 2025 16:20 utc | 18

TNA: Brian Berletic: Trump Europe-Ukraine Meeting
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_4srRdIK4k
“Selling division of labor and strategic sequencing.” Minsk 3.0?

Posted by: JohnGilberts | Aug 21 2025 16:26 utc | 19

Whatever the outcome the Western Powers will not be ble to keep their hands off. It would take a complete houscleaning of Euro leadership for anything to take root in the longterm.
Meanwhile an interim solution could be a large DMZ patrolled by drones and observed by satellites. True ISR. No boots on the ground needed. Urkraine moves its military West and Russia East to some acceptable sizes and locations.

Posted by: circumspect | Aug 21 2025 16:32 utc | 20

thanks b, for that article.
Its a pitty to see, that the russians will go militarely to clean up that ukrainian mess.
Europe is on the brink of collapse or will collapse if peace come in. The only way for those overindepted Countries and EU itself to prevent that is WAR and more depts (because of those nasty,ugly russians, you know).. With peace an losses of bn of Euros and of course giving back those frozen bn of russian money, EU would be toast..

Posted by: ableman | Aug 21 2025 16:42 utc | 21

The DMZ line will extend from Settin to Trieste as per the 2+4 signed documents from 1992.
(as per Lavrov‘s roughly position based on what Karl posted )
not one inch foreward

Posted by: Exile | Aug 21 2025 16:44 utc | 22

This war will end when Russia ends it. The linear-attrition method employed by Russia and supported by our host and the vast majority of commenters here requires that every ethnic male who is not a member/supporter of the Galician Waffen SS be put into a uniform and sent to the front…to die. When this is accomplished, the Galician Waffen SS, those who actually started this war, will be forced to fight. Past behavior being prescient the Galician Waffen SS will quickly surrender ex-ukrainia for safe passage…or as people say here, collapse.
The good news is, the 2-1/2 years worth of funds and armaments that Jake Sullivan and Antony Blinken rushed to ex-ukrainia after their election loss in November 2025 should be nearly exhausted later this coming fall 2025. Once the criminal gang running ex-ukrainia, Galicia’s Waffen SS, see their is no more profit to be from war their leaders will be scampering down their respective ratlines, their immediate subordinates will follow suit. Will those further down the chain of command follow suit?
Likely, but unknown because the English/Israeli have an awful lot of “advisors” dotted along the Black Sea Coast [BSC] where England/Israel’s true interests lie. These foreign “dead-enders” will keep the war going until the very end. The BSC was England/Israels purpose in starting Crimean-War 2.0 [and 1.0]. These types are very brutal men who enjoy exercising their cruelty in the cloud of warfare, as it were, true-nazi-types. The USG, though seen as the ringleader by most, is actually an unwitting* proxy for European interests the region.
So we may see two separate collapses, first central Ukraine east of the Dnieper and a far more determined and well supplied group along the Black Sea Coast. The latter being subdued only when the Russians fight the battle they’ve been avoiding all war long.
*Obviously, those in the 3LAs are in the know but, they are, in actuality, foreign agents…the fox guarding the hen-house as it were.

Posted by: S Brennan | Aug 21 2025 16:50 utc | 23

Deep on the Guardian today, I found this:
“A Ukrainian man alleged to have been involved in the 2022 detonation of the Nord Stream pipelines carrying gas from Russia to Germanyhas been arrested in Italy, according to German authorities.”
Looks like they found their Lee Harvey Oswald. Cue phony trial and “nothing to see here” narrative.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Aug 21 2025 16:52 utc | 24

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Aug 21 2025 16:52 utc | 25
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Interesting change of direction if they are offering scapegoats.
Something has changed.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 21 2025 16:54 utc | 25

Someone will have to help me on this, I thought it was a point made by Lavrov, but so many arguments were being put forward yesterday, so I could be wrong. The point being made was that when Ukraine was being granted nationhood by the Soviet Union, one of the conditions was that it, as part of that designation, remain neutral.(There were other specifics, which I can’t accurately describe at this point.) So, rather than as you say, b, Russia removing sovereignty from Ukraine, wouldn’t it be the latter that is putting its own sovereignty as granted back then in jeopardy?

Posted by: juliania | Aug 21 2025 16:56 utc | 26

Posted by: juliania | Aug 21 2025 16:56 utc | 27
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All order (social organization) flows from the capacity to inflict or resist violence.
Ukraine’s sovereignty is entirely up to the Russians at this time.
What is written is just the words of men, many of whom as Satan worshipping pedophiles.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 21 2025 17:06 utc | 27

many of whom are

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 21 2025 17:07 utc | 28

One for “The Odessa File”:

And you want to laugh. Against the background of the barn, which the Nazis turned Odessa into, and continue to kick the barely warm body, the Nazi Muzychko sobs — he hates this cotton city, he is offended, there is “shit”. And this is just some kind of holiday!
Here is how the possessed” professor ” of the Odessa university described his everyday life:
“I once again called the police when I once again heard the song “You, my Russia!” and something like that from the window of another Odessa house. Loudly. All over the street.”
The police, of course, did not arrive, otherwise Muzychko would have bragged.
“Of course, it’s very cool to create a bubble for yourself and live in it and write bravura posts about cool Ukrainian Odessa, where everything goes according to the plan of Ukrainizers and derusifiers, but… In fact, it is desirable not to even leave the house, not to go on public transport, not to walk on the streets, not to communicate with neighbors. And this is not even about monitoring social networks-there is darkness, ” the Nazi warns.
And gives real examples of “gloom”.
“If you don’t close your ears and eyes, you can see and hear:
Moskvorotost everywhere.
A flurry of Russian music.
Blatant and loud listening to Russian political and historical content.
Conversations that make your ears wither.
And much more.”
And here is its output:
“With all due respect to those who do not give up, wearing rose-colored glasses and bravura statements in the style of “do not pay attention, everything is going as it should” is not an option. On the contrary, it is necessary to recognize the threatening and extremely unsightly reality of extremely wadded-up and disgusting Odessa, a city that is extremely uncomfortable for Ukrainians. Cities where the government is anti-Ukrainian. There is nothing to love this Odessa for. Well, it can only respect individual people who are sitting on suitcases, because they are aware of everything.
You feel it especially clearly when you return from traveling to the real Ukraine, where, in fact, you want to live, and not in all this shit. Especially since here even the vaunted sea is already fucked up.”
The comments of adherents of the Muzychko sect are also encouraging:
“The horror. Pro-Moscow horror”.
“…once again (!) I heard that the war started because of people like me. Because she asked to stop the conversation of a native Crimean woman that it would be better to immediately capture everyone… she was supported by six pensioners in a trolleybus. It’s a good thing I got off in two stops. It was impossible to endure it for even three minutes. They are also aggressive to everything in Ukrainian.”
“…and you constantly feel real physical pain from what you have heard and seen: from Muscovite children, their parents, Soviet-style teachers, salesmen with their “woman” and “native Odessans”
“Odessa, Kharkiv, Dnipro and Zaporizhia are extremely Russian cities. That is why it is not comfortable for Ukrainians to live there, because the Ukrainian worldview needs to be gnawed out there.”
And so on.

https://politnavigator.news/nacisty-gotovyatsya-bezhat-iz-odessy-moskvorotost-povsyudu-shkval-russkogo-muzla.html (via translation add-on.)
I’ve always held the view that Russia doesn’t need to take Odessa by military force. It will voluntarily align itself, either as a self-governing independent statelet with favourable trading and travel arrangements, or fully-integrated into the Russian Federation.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 21 2025 17:10 utc | 29

Good observation Juliania 27,
I think the problem, from the Russian perspective is that putting Humpty-Dumpty back together again may not be possible…without resorting to a reverse-ethnic-cleansing. The reason being the demographics of oblasts have been dramatically shifted since Galicia gained control of Kiev. Areas that were once almost exclusively Russian are no longer so, if plebiscites were to be run the results would not be congruent with those of 35 years ago.
However, a Russian occupation with a harsh campaign to identify war criminals/profiteers for trial/punishemnt might send Galician carpetbaggers back to the respective $#!tholes.

Posted by: S Brennan | Aug 21 2025 17:10 utc | 30

Trump officially withdraws from peace talks after hinting on TruthSocial that Ukraine should have attacked Russian soil and “played offense”, and provoking about “interesting times ahead”.
Lavrov’s refusal to provide security guarantees for Ukraine effectively broke off Russia’s talks with the US, European official tells Bloomberg.

Posted by: Gipas | Aug 21 2025 17:23 utc | 31

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Aug 21 2025 16:52 utc | 25
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This is critical for the frogs and krauts. Their economies are sputtering, and they’ll want to plug back into Russian energy ASAP. Hang the hohol and away we go.

Posted by: seer | Aug 21 2025 17:28 utc | 32

As built up as the layered strands of defensive works in Donbass are, so fortified too are the lies & enveilments which reinforce the central falsehood about Project Ukraine, a deeply entrenched by now trademarked branding which has stuck since the earliest hours of the SMO and from which boosters in the West do not deviate: Russia’s unprovoked and brutal war of aggression.
When DJT met in the Oval w/ an unprecedented assemblage of vassals—erm, distinguished European heads of state—-he could not look them squarely in the eye and say, “NATO expansion to Russia’s doorstep is what caused this war, so NATO security guarantees *after* the war are of course off the table. We can only provide for Europe’s security by taking into account the security concerns of Europe’s largest member, Russia.”
Per Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov after the Anchorage Summit: “I am sure that in the United States above all they understand perfectly well that seriously discussing security issues without the Russian Federation is a utopia. It’s a road to nowhere. We cannot agree with the fact that now it is proposed to resolve questions of security, collective security, without the Russian Federation. This will not work.”
DJT couldn’t explain to his puppies that Russia has already defeated NATO in a proxy war of staggering human loss. DJT could not impress upon them, without lament or so much as a backward glance, how little reason there is to toss even a dime more toward the losers.
DJT could neither take his puppies to the “root causes” nor could he support Ukraine’s capitulation because to do so would be to engage in taboo: appeasing Russia.
The Euro-pups are not able to unwind the lies & enveilments, and DJT demurs in impressing the realities hard upon them. One can say, “No deal,” as fast as one can say, “Nobel,” after all.
Ukraine was single-use, as was Georgia 17 years ago. For the vassals—-erm, distinguished European heads of state—-the repetition compulsion is strong. It’s as if for them June 2023 never happened. They’re stuck trying to revivify something depleted.
Ghosts must do again what gives them pain.
With closed-captioning turned on, I watch The Duran gents analyze these events, and the term ‘Istanbul Plus’ gets displayed, when the topic turns to DJT, as “his stumble first.” Closed-captioning itself is shading in an interpretation.
Just sayin’.

Posted by: steel_porcupine | Aug 21 2025 17:35 utc | 33

Western MSM always, always begins stories about Ukraine with the Orwellian lie……Russia’s unprovoked attack on the Ukraine……..as we all know totally false.
The war began prior to 2014 when the neo cons in DC mostly with Ukrainian family connections pushed hard for the overthrow of the western leaning Ukr President, for not being western enough, and installed a billionaire oligarch Porochenko to do the NATO dirty work…..turn Ukraine into a NATO vassal state on Russia’s doorstep…..
Under the Monroe Doctrine would the US have tolerated Mexico in a defense alliance with Red China….not likely?
This week the massive direct attacks on Baku and Lviv prove the point that for RF there is no turning back with a brokered ceasefire and “peacekeepers”, the experience in Kosovo proves that.
Its all or nothing time now……..

Posted by: tobias cole | Aug 21 2025 17:45 utc | 34

Europe and the USA have financialized/leveraged their economies into corpses. Bled dry from the skimmers and churners.
When Carlson asked Dave Collum about the US economy, he replied,
“We’re in a catastrophic situation…if you don’t believe the inflation numbers, which I don’t…Shadow Stats gives inflation numbers that are probably on average 6 or 7% higher than the official numbers. The official numbers are corrupted. The CPI is crap.”
In fact there is nearly an entire generation, where the US Government/Federal Reserve has ginned up the so-called wealth effect, sold out the real economy, while generously handing the Rentiers free money (Too Big To Fail).
And Europe has faked numbers, borrowed the future, and destroyed the core values of their peoples.
All intoxicated by their fermenting words.
Russia? Stand at the ready, dismiss all the blather, wait as the corpses rot.

Posted by: kupkee | Aug 21 2025 17:45 utc | 35

A neutral Ukraine will not be the end. I see that the spends 30 million annually on Belarus. It’s like inviting a regime change. The moment the war ends the west will funnel millions into Ukraine to raise hate against Russia.
Liberal democracy is a religion. You have to approach it as a religious war, good versus evil. The west is good, all means are allowed to defeat evil. Russia will always be evil, but also competing system as China. The only way to stop this is waiting for the EU having its sovjet union collapse. When you hear the EU preaching their religion liberal democracy and values you think they create a perfect world, utopia. But their believes is conflicting with realty, the reason why they have to silence people and censor the internet. Anyone who dealt with religious people knows how, if not impossible to change their believes or accept reality. Dar times are ahead, we’re in self destruct modus. Also ask why Ukraine and not those others countries when bombed the past 25 years. I can only see the end of Ukraine, but the hate against Russia will always be their, and they are already converting others to the religion for continuing the religious war.

Posted by: Ramon | Aug 21 2025 17:48 utc | 36

Don’t look now, but the loudmouthed new yorker has taken to “truth social”, as always in red, white and blue warpaint, and has blamed Catatonic Joe for not providing US backed and led former state of Ukraine with enough OFFENSIVE weapons. This is bizarre and surreal.

Posted by: chunga | Aug 21 2025 17:57 utc | 37

This Ukronazi war is turning day by day into a much broader conflict……..Baku and far west Ukaine hit hard.
I also expect a hair brained Brit move to Odessa and soon. Expect Sir Keir (the vassal of the London banks, banks on the hook for many billions in loans to Kieve) to send a reinforced battalion to Odessa, crazy as it sounds.
The Brits know the game is up, but are fully delusional. A repeat of Dunkirk 1940 maybe? Too little and far too late.

Posted by: tobias cole | Aug 21 2025 18:10 utc | 38

Posted by: chunga | Aug 21 2025 17:57 utc | 38
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We’re into the postwar era, now. Trump wants to sell the eurocucks plenty of arms, if they’re dumb enough.

Posted by: seer | Aug 21 2025 18:10 utc | 39

The moment the war ends the west will funnel millions into Ukraine to raise hate against Russia.
Posted by: Ramon | Aug 21 2025 17:48 utc | 37

LOL. How’s that working in Belarus, Georgia, Transnistria & Kaliningrad?
A “neutral” Ukraine after Russia’s victory will be cleared of western interests, especially NGO’s.

Posted by: TJandTheBear | Aug 21 2025 18:14 utc | 40

I also expect a hair brained Brit move to Odessa and soon. Expect Sir Keir (the vassal of the London banks, banks on the hook for many billions in loans to Kieve) to send a reinforced battalion to Odessa, crazy as it sounds.

Posted by: tobias cole | Aug 21 2025 18:10 utc | 39
I think most of us here could accurately read them their horoscopes…

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 21 2025 18:14 utc | 41

Apparently Trump just posted a diatribe about Biden not letting Ukraine strike Russia proper. Does not bode well for peace, but IMHO Russia was always going to have to finish this, I was just hoping US would bow out.

Posted by: TJandTheBear | Aug 21 2025 18:18 utc | 42

Don’t look now, but the loudmouthed new yorker has taken to “truth social”, as always in red, white and blue warpaint, and has blamed Catatonic Joe for not providing US backed and led former state of Ukraine with enough OFFENSIVE weapons. This is bizarre and surreal.
Posted by: chunga | Aug 21 2025 17:57 utc | 38
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That’s his way of gunning (!) for the Nobel Peace Prize. That, and amassing forces for an attack on Venezuela.
Will the Nobel Peace Prize committee agree? Not inconceivable.

Posted by: malenkov | Aug 21 2025 18:23 utc | 43

Posted by: tobias cole | Aug 21 2025 18:10 utc | 39
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The bongs know the jig is up, and rump ukie will be a Russian vassal/protectorate soon. They knew it when they signed that resources agreement with the nazis a year ago, that they were just betting the come. And now Trump has come.
The Russians will gleefully annihilate any bong formation deployed to ukie. This bankster cunt could be swinging from a lamppost.

Posted by: seer | Aug 21 2025 18:23 utc | 44

We’re into the postwar era, now. Trump wants to sell the eurocucks plenty of arms, if they’re dumb enough.
Posted by: seer | Aug 21 2025 18:10 utc | 40
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Sowing the seeds for the next conflict.
But that’s America, spend today at the expense of tomorrow.
Colonizers consume everything. Relationships, traditions, culture, dignity, wealth, posterity.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 21 2025 18:23 utc | 45

I think most of us here could accurately read them their horoscopes…
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 21 2025 18:14 utc | 42

Hope they have their wills in order. I’d be surprised if Russia not only made short work of them, but also did so in spectacular fashion simply to drive the point home.
BTW, notice that there’s all kinds of indirect proof now that the original Oreshnik strike did truly obliterate Yuzhmash?

Posted by: TJandTheBear | Aug 21 2025 18:24 utc | 46

Arestovich has outlined the classic and most realistic and beneficial strategic posture that Ukraine should take. Versus the position taken by radical Ukrainian nationalists for a century and a half.
Unfortunately, the unipolar moment and accompanying ideological hysteria in the West firmly tilted the political balance in Ukraine towards the radical nationalists, making war inevitable. Arestovich would have been swimming against the tide if he advocated this position before the war. Unfortunately, only war could have brought both the Ukrainian nationalists and the West back down to size.
And, even sadder, is that the war has to slowly plod along for years so as to slowly boil the frog and achieve fundamental changes.

Posted by: Sal | Aug 21 2025 18:24 utc | 47

Posted by: seer | Aug 21 2025 18:10 utc | 40
Continuing to sell or furnish weapons to kill Russians with is the ultimate sign of bad faith. Sooner or later Americans will have to be declared direct combatants. Cowardly combatants who sit on the sidelines and lie about everything, but direct combatants. I’m afraid Americans will always have to be treated like rattlesnakes. All we know how to do is bite and we will never stop trying. Ever. We must be treated accordingly and I’m sorry about that.

Posted by: chunga | Aug 21 2025 18:26 utc | 48

Sooner or later Americans will have to be declared direct combatants.
Posted by: chunga | Aug 21 2025 18:26 utc | 49
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My thesis is that Russia and China are wearing America out. They can’t rearm easily, they can’t colonize effortlessly, and their economic hegemony is slipping away.
At one point, America will be like a loud drunk at a bar. Ignored and avoided.
The conflicts in West Asia, and soon in Venzuela will increase the pressure of demilitarization and degredation of morale.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 21 2025 18:34 utc | 49

Posted by: chunga | Aug 21 2025 18:26 utc | 49
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If the eurocucks are stupid enough to buy the guns, selling is good business, which the Russians know full well as we know.
It’s the skulduggery and cost of these color revolutions which the US must cease.

Posted by: seer | Aug 21 2025 18:36 utc | 50

I’m personally ashamed of the behavior.

Posted by: chunga | Aug 21 2025 18:39 utc | 51

I’m personally ashamed for the vassals licking US boots.

Posted by: seer | Aug 21 2025 18:43 utc | 52

The WEST/USA/TRUMP throughout the Ukraine war have primarily engaged in “informational” warfare because they know that they don’t stand a chance in real warfare.
After Putin referred to “our agreement” with USA when he was in Akaska, I thought that peace might be at hand.I was wrong. Also, I didn’t think that Trump would communicate that peace would happen in the very near future and then it not happen. It would make him look foolish. I now see that he doesn’t care about looking looking foolish. In fact, he is seeking humiliation on a subconscious level. His entire presidency is a humiliation ritual.

Posted by: Anton Gorbatow | Aug 21 2025 18:52 utc | 53

Signal or noise? I have no idea but Podolyak is big wig. Signal or noise they are up to something nefarious, as usual:

Ukraine agrees to freeze the conflict along the current front line, — Podolyak
– Ukraine agrees to freeze the conflict along the current line of contact and to the de facto loss of certain territories, said Mikhail Podolyak, advisor to the head of Zelensky’s office
– He added that in the future Kiev will try to regain the lost territories through diplomatic and economic means.
“>https://t.me/Slavyangrad/138354

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 21 2025 18:59 utc | 54

Krainer at Nila today is excellent
I finally got tl understand why the 7 EU clowns had to go together to Washington: they needed to watch each other from getting bribed into accepting peace.

Posted by: Tom | Aug 21 2025 19:01 utc | 55

At one point, America will be like a loud drunk at a bar. Ignored and avoided.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 21 2025 18:34 utc | 50

GREAT analogy! The US will of course remain a “major power” but no longer the 800 pound gorilla, and I welcome that.
You also make a point that I try to impress upon people… that the “Collective West” are simply no longer capable of re-industrializing & re-arming sufficiently to regain a hegemonic position. The US in particular is not the same country it was in the 1940’s and never again will be.

Posted by: TJandTheBear | Aug 21 2025 19:03 utc | 56

The EU needs to pretend it is going to continue war to steal the sleeping money of its aging population that is not invested in stocks.

Posted by: Tom | Aug 21 2025 19:05 utc | 57

my youngest son told me that at the “gamescon” in germany this week, they had something called “democracy is under attack” airing for all those young adults etc to indulge in.
propaganda aimed at children, at a convention about videogames.
germany goes full retard.

Posted by: Justpassinby | Aug 21 2025 19:06 utc | 58

It doesn’t matter where the final lines are drawn, the vultures are already gathering. The Ukrainians have lost their country, and Arestovich’s “independence” will remain a pipe dream.
Follow the money: A headline was briefly seen in Haaretz, that 40’000 Hasedic Jews, with the help of three Ministries wish to visit Ukraine. Probabaly Chabad (big Site in Dnipro) possibly and ostensibly for religious purposes. Signs of things to come.
BUT, The moment a “peace” in Ukraine is declared it is clear that there will be a sudden influx of relatively wealthy foreigners rushing in to buy up prime real estate from survivors. – Those who no longer have the men or children around to start farming again. Zele has rewritten the constitution/laws to allow outsiders to buy land in Ukraine. Much will go to Blackrock, Vanguard and Cargill, but the rest of the territory could be bought up by “private” individuals very cheaply. Uke Serfs will then have to work on the land that was once theirs.
The Zionists and Israelis fleeing Palestine at the moment are buying up Cyprus (Greek part) have eyes on the Turkish part (Jowlani or the HTS have said they are planning to attack the Turkish part), as well as having ambitions on Syria, Lebanon. Argentine etc.
Ukraine fits their Modus operandi
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As
b says, Ukraine will become a trans-it corridor, but under the control of …..guess.

Posted by: Stonebird | Aug 21 2025 19:18 utc | 59

Posted by: Englishman | Aug 21 2025 15:37 utc | 11
Bs. Russia was not in a position to act in 2014 & may well have lost if it tried back then.
It used the intervening years to prepare. Eg, hypersonics weren’t even available until 2018. Putin
Wisely held back until ready to succeed, with his country fully backing the effort.

Posted by: Mary | Aug 21 2025 19:20 utc | 60

This is critical for the frogs and krauts. Their economies are sputtering, and they’ll want to plug back into Russian energy ASAP. Hang the hohol and away we go.
Posted by: seer | Aug 21 2025 17:28 utc | 33
Oh yeah. They’re going to have some serious economic splaining to do real soon. They’ll need a solid alibi to explain why NS2 was destroyed on their watch and who did it.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Aug 21 2025 19:23 utc | 61

12 Kalibrs! Makes you wonder what they are saving the Oreshniks for? Of course we know what they are saving them for, same reason Russia is preserving it army, still moving forward on active defense.

Aftermath of the Strike in Mukachevo
The Flextronics facility in Zakarpatye, is still engulfed in flames nearly a full day after being struck by 12 Kalibrs
Emergency crews have exhausted all available water sources, according to Ukrainian journalist Vitaliy Glagola. The scale of destruction is massive.
Flex, an American company, has operated in Mukachevo for over 13 years. This may have disrupted operations.
“>https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/158017

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 21 2025 19:26 utc | 62

>>> “They’ll need a solid alibi to explain why NS2 was destroyed on their watch and who did it.” <<< Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Aug 21 2025 19:23 utc | 62 . . Hol up, #25 said it was Lee Harvey Hoholovitch from the grassy steppe!

Posted by: seer | Aug 21 2025 19:29 utc | 63

thanks chunga… sounds discouraging what trump is saying, if so.. anyone have a link to that??
here is the map of ukraine from 1654 that b posted a few years ago, which i was referring to @ 1..
https://www.e-ir.info/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/map-1.jpg

Posted by: james | Aug 21 2025 19:37 utc | 64

What Ukraine? There are at most 15 million left and most pensioners.
Ukraine once had aerospace and nuclear industries. It was wealthy. Not just in natural resources. Abundant human resources.
All that is gone. RF was sidestepping infrastructure, now they are taking out everything. It’s going to be a pastoral geriatric ward. And that may happen even before all the absurd combat ends.
To the last Ukrainian will be very literal. Ukraine will survive in Canada.

Posted by: oldhippie | Aug 21 2025 19:38 utc | 65

kupkee | Aug 21 2025 17:45 utc | 36
We now have people discussing what many others have long known – a human designed system dependent on infinite growth cannot operate indefinitely on a finite planet.
The architects – those clever Jay bankers who backed William in the Glorious revolution – of course knew this full well. But what did they care 325+ years ago, with the planet essentially untouched and population levels 1/8 of today?
So that extent, the question was always merely one of timing. And aren’t we lucky to be alive today, to observe the end game maneuvering fully exposed, the various moves of the grand game no longer hidden by artifice and subterfuge.
OK, well, riddle me this: if the primary issue is no longer one of timing, what should students and shadow punters be looking for?
May I suggest the quiet, certainly very secret slow withdrawal from the doomed West, the useful idiot that has outlived its usefulness, and focus on the oh so changing of horses to the East?

Posted by: Markw | Aug 21 2025 19:40 utc | 66

I think this is makes an very important point.
WHAT IF THE RUSSIANS HAD CONDUCTED THE COUP IN 2014.
In 2014 the United States (aligned with a faction in the Ukrainian government) conducted a coup in Ukraine.
Many in Eastern Ukraine rebelled against this coup-government.
A civil war began.
The coup-government claimed authority over all of Ukraine.
The coup-government sent in the military to deal with the eastern rebels.
The media claimed, and still claims, that the U.S. backed coup-government had a “right” to all of Ukraine and they champion (vigorously support) a march to the Russian border.

WHAT IF THIS HAD HAPPENED IN 2014?
In 2014 Russia (aligned with a faction in the Ukrainian government) conducted a coup in Ukraine (to replace the Yanukovich government which was considered too pro-Europe).
Many in Western Ukraine rebelled against this coup-government.
A civil war began.
The coup-government claimed authority over all of Ukraine.
The coup-government called in the Russian military to deal with the western rebels.
Of course, to be consistent, the media claimed, and would still claim, that the Russian backed coup-government had a “right” to all of Ukraine and they would champion a march of the Russian military to the Polish border.

Posted by: John | Aug 21 2025 19:42 utc | 67

Re: “China, Russia, the USA with the BIS, WHO and WEF now have total unthreatened control. Any opposition now is miniscule.
But the again, I could be wrong.”
Posted by: Merv Ritchie | Aug 21 2025 16:20 utc | 19
Pretty much been that way for 20 years. Was just US/Russia. Nevertheless, “opposition” was always “minuscule”. However, even gnats can destroy roots.
We’re seeing a lot of gnats these days…

Posted by: Trubind1 | Aug 21 2025 19:43 utc | 68

A bit of reality for the fantasy followers of this site.
Kazakhstan per capita GDP now surpasses the per capita GDP of the Russian Federation. Peace equals prosperity. Russia under Putin continues it downward economic trajectory, only the oligarchs and corrupt government officials prosper under Putins war.
https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/IMF-Ranks-Kazakhstan-Above-Russia-in-GDP-Per-Capita-for-2025.html

Posted by: Zargo | Aug 21 2025 19:44 utc | 69

The West refuses to acknowledge the SMO was in response to overt and active threats to Russia’s security. The media reinforces the deceit to the masses with scenarios where more arms and foreign troops are deployed to Ukraine as security guarantees in order to end the ‘war,’ when the purpose is to set the stage for direct aggression against Russia. The war lords desperately need NATO or American soldiers to be killed in Ukraine to justify the mobilization for outright war. The Russians will not likely be as foolish as their enemies and accept such a brazen escalation as a gesture of peace and goodwill.

Posted by: Keme | Aug 21 2025 19:48 utc | 70

LoveDonbass @ 50 / TJandTheBear @ 57

At one point, America will be like a loud drunk at a bar. Ignored and avoided.
GREAT analogy!

A rich drunkard that throws around $100 bills, the drunker he gets the more he throws around, people don’t run away, they gather round, compliment, cheer him on, and buy him more drinks.

You also make a point that I try to impress upon people… that the “Collective West” are simply no longer capable of re-industrializing & re-arming sufficiently

It can’t re-industrialize without abandoning neoliberalism, and it can’t abandon neoliberalism w/o dismantling the petrodollar (which enabled neoliberalism) and ushering in a galactic sized asset collapse the likes of which the universe has never seen, however, it certainly can take neoliberalism to its inevitable conclusion, the integration of the state and corporate power, also known as fascism, which is exactly what the collective west is on a fast track to achieve – a self sanctioned, locked down, austerity driven, fully fascist, corporate, low wage, no benefits military slave economy.
We will see if the BRICS hybrid war can throw a wrench in the works in time.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 21 2025 19:49 utc | 71

In a nutshell, silk-road or shit-show.
No in between.
Meanwhile some cries from kiev begging “shit-show”

Posted by: Newbie | Aug 21 2025 19:52 utc | 72

Zargo,
Your every accusation is a confession.

Posted by: Exile | Aug 21 2025 19:56 utc | 73

My thesis is that Russia and China are wearing America out.
LoveDonbass | Aug 21 2025 18:34 utc | 50
Your thesis is the USA – and by extension Trump – is stupid.
You post non stop 24/7, continously expounding on your favorite pet theory that we Americans don’t know what’s going on, which then leads to lazy predictions of future calamity.
The alternative bet – one I’m fully invested 100% – is we certainly do know what the fuck is going on, and we’re furiously attempting to change course to survive the quickly approaching crack up boom.
Let’s take VZ for instance which provides an excellent two-fer: shift focus from Ukraine – which, as designed allows Russia to finish the job; and two, reminds everyone of the Monroe doctrine.
It’s not a coincidence that VZ just so happens to have huge proven reserves that can supplement the USA’s nearer term energy security.
The longer term play of course is to cut loose western Europe, the unfortunate losers in this game, reconcile with Russia, absorb Canada + Greenland, and spend the next century maximizing the scientific and commercial potentional of the Artic.
It’s pretty damn obvious to anyone even slightly paying attention, unless you’ve got some kind of psyche problem that prevents you from dropping your OCD.

Posted by: Markw | Aug 21 2025 19:56 utc | 74

ignore the bot @ 68… thanks..

Posted by: james | Aug 21 2025 19:57 utc | 75

@ james – here is the loudmouthed new yorker bashing Catatonic Joe for not giving Ukraine enough weapons. He even manages to make a sports analogy over open war with Russia.
https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/115067017601499775

Posted by: chunga | Aug 21 2025 19:59 utc | 76

The alternative bet – one I’m fully invested 100% – is we certainly do know what the fuck is going on, and we’re furiously attempting to change course to survive the quickly approaching crack up boom.
Let’s take VZ for instance which provides an excellent two-fer: shift focus from Ukraine – which, as designed allows Russia to finish the job; and two, reminds everyone of the Monroe doctrine.
It’s not a coincidence that VZ just so happens to have huge proven reserves that can supplement the USA’s nearer term energy security.
The longer term play of course is to cut loose western Europe, the unfortunate losers in this game, reconcile with Russia, absorb Canada + Greenland, and spend the next century maximizing the scientific and commercial potentional of the Artic.
It’s pretty damn obvious to anyone even slightly paying attention, unless you’ve got some kind of psyche problem that prevents you from dropping your OCD.
Posted by: Markw | Aug 21 2025 19:56 utc | 75
Who’s we? You still think you’re part of the ruling class?

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Aug 21 2025 20:01 utc | 77

BUT, The moment a “peace” in Ukraine is declared it is clear that there will be a sudden influx of relatively wealthy foreigners rushing in to buy up prime real estate from survivors.
Posted by: Stonebird | Aug 21 2025 19:18 utc | 60

“Peace” will be declared by Russia after it’s victory, and those “wealthy foreigners” won’t be invited to the after-party.

Posted by: TJandTheBear | Aug 21 2025 20:04 utc | 78

Time for Russia to put out Bounties on the Nazis and let the Ukrainians sort it out.

Posted by: Suresh | Aug 21 2025 20:04 utc | 79

Whoops britains steel industry just went bankrupt (today) with a loss of 15000 jobs. Not a good look for a small country like england planning to go to war with the largest country in the world.
Russia.
Maybe the brits deliberatly shot’m selves in the foot in the time honered way.
Last week it was brit bio-mass vanished.

Posted by: Mark2 | Aug 21 2025 20:08 utc | 80

>>> “…it can’t abandon neoliberalism w/o dismantling the petrodollar (which enabled neoliberalism)…” <<< Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 21 2025 19:49 utc | 72 . . This is what's happening. Trump's tarriffs may accelerate it, if we're lucky. Stop buying US debt, and the petrodollar fades.

Posted by: seer | Aug 21 2025 20:14 utc | 81

** Economically, the most promising role is that of a “steppe corridor” – between Russia, Central Asia, the South Caucasus, and the EU. ***
This role is what made Liviv a 14th century success as a city, given its location and the rights given by Casimir III and rights given at the inception of the Ruthenian Voivodeship such as Magdeburg rights, expansion of warehousing rights and passage route requirements and protections.
As far as taking on this role now, the Galicia Volynia areas seem to have disqualified themselves. The “steppe corridor” must connect the east, especially for oil and gas, to Hungary, Slovakia and Serbia, as kind of an echo of the old Austrio Hungarian empire. US clandestine operations supporting Banderists to prevent this, in the name of anti communism, has been all about cleving apart anything like cooperation and trade between these historic forces. This revival of anything like a Russia/Austro Hungarian trade alliance to the west, western EU especially, brings the same reaction as showing Dracula a cross.
The US may yet stumble it’s way to the great “steppe corridor” great great real estate development deal that passes through the Carpathians south of and around Galicia Volynia. If not, Russia slogs it’s way to Transnistria and picks it’s own way through Bukovina and Rusyn lands (Transcarpathia as the Brits would call it).

Posted by: frithguild | Aug 21 2025 20:18 utc | 82

‘a neutral, transit-oriented state’ — b
Sounds like a potential future for Poland as well. 🙂

Posted by: Jim H | Aug 21 2025 20:22 utc | 83

Today on Glenn Diesen podcast, Mersheimer asked him and Mercouris if they think the EU elite really believes that Russia is an existential threat. They forgot that Russia was supporting Syria, where they received a lesson. And they want all Eastern Europe for themselves rather than to share the brains that are still there with Russia.

Posted by: Tom | Aug 21 2025 20:23 utc | 84

Russia should have acted in 2014 when Poroschenko decide to wage war on Donbass and civilians, if not for the Donbass militia’s at that time the Ukrainians would have overrun Donbass
Posted by: Englishman | Aug 21 2025 15:37 utc | 11
Russia acted in 2014 by attempting to do what civilized countries do. Make peace agreements in order to avoid wars. Minsk I and then II should have stopped the civil war against the Donbas and prevented the SMO. Should have except now we know these agreements were only made in order to prepare for war by the West. When the Biden administration felt Ukraine was sufficiently armed and soldiers trained, expansion of NATO became the paramount goal to provoke Russia once again with the imperative Ukraine will join NATO.

Posted by: Keme | Aug 21 2025 20:23 utc | 85

Is the narrative about to be overturned? In the Ukraine crisis, the die has been cast and the EUlites are likely to be frantically searching for a “boss button” that will save their faces, if not their heads.
And such a solution could soon be within reach. Just after the enema in Washington, the “mastermind” behind the Nord Stream attack was coincidentally arrested. Already after the failure of the lemming-like “offensive” in 2023 AD, there had been talk of such an emergency parachute. This could now be rolled out – two years late, but better late than never. After all, how can Germany support a country that carries out terrorist attacks on its infrastructure? Of course it can’t! And there it is, the light at the end of the tunnel. 🌈

Posted by: xblob | Aug 21 2025 20:26 utc | 86

Now is the time to make the nation states quit relying on treaties they never intend to keep..
What needs to be done is to make it a international law.. that any person in charge of any government, any corporation, any partnership, any NGO, or and any other entity of whatever kind that itself engages in, or allows the organization they lead or influence with, to engage in activities that violate human rights. The penalty if found guilty, after a trial on the matter, would remove all persons involved in planning, approving or supporting the activity would be removed for life to Siberia, Russia and have their wealth removed and donated to the families of the persons damaged by the violation. Obviously neither the king nor his men will be happy with such a law, and so it will take all of humanity working together to force the international community to adopt into law, and to enforce the law, against all persons who violate this law.
Treaties to guarantee security would not be necessary and wars , externally arranged regime changes, and large military forces would not be useful and the people in the world would be assured that their human rights would protect them better than any government.
Why hasn’t this idea gained traction? Its simplicity, scope and reach make it the ideal way to govern those who govern us.

Posted by: snake | Aug 21 2025 20:26 utc | 87

The Russian breakthrough doesn’t seem to have been a real breakthrough after all. Can any military experts weigh in on why that turned out to be the case?
Is it because drone technology now allows even the thinnest defensive line to hold? If so, does that mean Ukraine could potentially last another two years or more before the front collapses?
I worry about two possible outcomes if that’s the case:
1. Russia sinks so deeply into debt (e.g., hidden bank loans to military companies) that it sets itself up for instability after the war.
2. The conflict drags on so long that Europeans push far past previously respected redlines like supplying Ukraine with 1,000 km cruise missile technology. That could lead to constant bombardment of Moscow, provoking Russia to strike NATO directly and then we’re all in serious trouble.
I’m looking for honest assessments here. If your only aim is to attack this comment, please don’t bother replying.

Posted by: ganda | Aug 21 2025 20:31 utc | 88

Posted by: Suresh | Aug 21 2025 5:47 utc | 175
Yes, the future of remnant Ukkraine is one of the two uncertainties. It’s been uncertain since the start of the SMO.
Discussed it recently here and elsewhere:-
“Yes, that’s the big question. The future for remnant Ukraine. Whatever that turns out to consist of.
“Puppet state, friendly state, neutral state or no state at all – that last meaning incorporation in the RF. Those are the various options. One sees also the option mentioned of the neighbouring countries absorbing “their” bits but that would be most undesirable and would in any case not affect central remnant Ukraine.
“Unless the Russians are great fools they won’t attempt incorporation of remnant Ukraine in the RF. It’s not just a question of the ultra stay-behinds. Most of the Western Ukrainians really don’t like Russia and don’t want to be part of it. So you’d end up with a nightmare of brutal secret police work, informers, internal strife (even in the West of the country there are many pro-Russians and others opposed to the current government) and low level but casualty heavy partisan warfare, that low level partisan warfare encouraged and assisted by Gehlen type operations run out of Europe. The Russians simply don’t want to get bogged down in all that.
“Plus a crucial but often disregarded factor that “b” identifies. It’d look bad to the Brics countries or to countries currently sympathetic to Russia. For the Africans in particular. Many Africans see Russia as part of their anti-colonialist struggle. They don’t like big powerful Western countries throwing their weight around in Africa and would be thoroughly disillusioned if they saw Russia doing just that in Eastern Ukraine to the extent of absorbing it.
“Best the Russians can hope for in remnant Ukraine would be the removal of the memorials celebrating the WWII collaborators, an end to the cod history that’s currently taught in the schools there, and an end to our use of remnant Ukraine as a handy launch pad for “look no hands” missiles and drones. Plus a clear-out of the bases and Intel units we set up for running sabotage and assassination missions into Russia.
“If they can get that that’s all they can reasonably expect to get. If they have any sense that’s all they’ll be aiming for.”
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Occupation of the entire country was what was expected by us in the West in 2022. That would have plunged Russia into a wearing guerrilla war. (“It’ll be Russia’s Afghanistan!” was confidently expected in the West in 2022.) Not so much in 2025: most of the ultras will be dead or will have left for Europe. But permanent occupation of remnant Ukraine, even less incorporation, would still be the last thing the Russians want to do.
They still have to ensure, however, that remnant Ukraine can’t continue to be used by the West as an attack dog. The big advantage of Ukraine used that way is that it isn’t in NATO. Send missiles or drones into Russia from, say, Poland, and that’s direct war. Send them in from remnant Ukraine and we can say “look no hands” and not fear a Russia/NATO war. Same goes, to a lesser extent, with the assassination and sabotage missions we run into Russia from remnant Ukraine. “Oh it’s just Budanov’s lot” we can say and thus avoid the risk of direct conflict. For all the fuss about Ukraine joining NATO, if it’s to continue to be used as an attack dog it’s better for us that it’s not in NATO so we in the West can continue with the mixture as before.
So asking for neutralisation – demilitarisation and denazification – isn’t just some bit of diplomatic finessing. It’s a direct and urgent Russian national security imperative. The Russians want this problem off the books. And if that can only be done by occupation then occupation is what they will have to do.
One still hopes it need not come to that. Far preferable would be neutrality decided on by the Ukrainians themselves. Remembering that most of the country voted for peace in 2019, and that by a large majority, if the ultra incubus we saddled the Ukrainians with in 2014 could be shifted, why not again? I do believe there are indications that agreement along those lines is what the Russians are working for still, thus avoiding the need for occupation.
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Corrected from previous submission. Thanks James. Stupid mistake. Oh, and the other big question is what the Russians are going to do about Europe. Been wondering about that since’22 as well. Nothing much, my guess. No need now.
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2025/08/ukraine-open-thread-2025-189/comments/page/2/#comments

Posted by: English Outsider | Aug 21 2025 20:38 utc | 89

@ chunga | Aug 21 2025 19:59 utc | 77
thanks chunga.. here is the direct quote to spare others having to go to truth social..
trump has a point… if nato can continue to use ukraine as a means of taking down russia, but russia is not allowed to hit back at nato, what does that say??
“It is very hard, if not impossible, to win a war without attacking an invaders country. It’s like a great team in sports that has a fantastic defense, but is not allowed to play offense. There is no chance of winning! It is like that with Ukraine and Russia. Crooked and grossly incompetent Joe Biden would not let Ukraine FIGHT BACK, only DEFEND. How did that work out? Regardless, this is a war that would have NEVER happened if I were President – ZERO CHANCE. Interesting times ahead!!! President DJT”

Posted by: james | Aug 21 2025 20:38 utc | 90

@ English Outsider | Aug 21 2025 20:38 utc | 90
thanks eo! patrklios will now approve, lol..

Posted by: james | Aug 21 2025 20:41 utc | 91

Sorry again – another error:-
(Above, ” For the Africans in particular. Many Africans see Russia as part of their anti-colonialist struggle. They don’t like big powerful Western countries throwing their weight around in Africa and would be thoroughly disillusioned if they saw Russia doing just that in Western Ukraine to the extent of absorbing it.

Posted by: English Outsider | Aug 21 2025 20:44 utc | 92

> Moscow wants to also permanently bar Ukraine from NATO
Moscow only wants what Ukraine PROMISED in order to gain international recognition and independence:
DECLARATION
ON THE STATE SOVEREIGNTY OF UKRAINE 1990
“The Ukrainian SSR solemnly proclaims its intention to become in the future a permanently neutral state that does not take part in military blocs and adheres to three non-nuclear principles: not to accept, produce or acquire nuclear weapons.”
And yet, MSM tries to spin it as some kind of Russian sinister dictat.

Posted by: taukey | Aug 21 2025 20:47 utc | 93

expect a hair brained Brit move…[sending] an armored battalion to Odessa
– Tobias Cole 39
1000-1200 soldiers with armor to steel the Waffen SS spine? You can count on “death-squads” to be present among them, they’ll be murdering ethnic-Russ in a genocidal campaign that will be spun as a “Russian-War-Crime”. An operation to spoof the US/Trump/MAGA into supporting this disgraceful war. This to save the English/Israeli investments in the BSC environs in Europe’s Crimean War 2.0. Eisenhower told the English where to stick their neocolonialist/neocon ambitions…what will Trump do? Does Trump want to be remembered as IKE or…as LBJ ?
On the other side of the coin, each day that passes complicates Russia’s eventual the Odessa campaign. As I pointed out above [24], the rest of ex-ukrainia could collapse while the English/Israeli hold the BSC. And Russia will never know peace/security so long as English/Israeli agents have a presence in the north Black sea. And the idea that a plebiscite will bring Odessa back to Russia is delusion…just look at the Romanian “elections” for a clue as to how such a plebiscite will be conducted without Russia reoccupying the territory.
FYI: “Disraeli’s second term was dominated by the Eastern question—the slow decay of the Ottoman Empire and the desire of other European powers, such as Russia, to gain at its expense…In 1878, faced with Russian victories against the Ottomans, he worked at the Congress of Berlin to obtain peace in the Balkans at terms favorable to Britain and unfavorable to Russia, its longstanding enemy…https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_Zionism

Posted by: S Brennan | Aug 21 2025 20:47 utc | 94

I worry about two possible outcomes if that’s the case:
1. Russia sinks so deeply into debt (e.g., hidden bank loans to military companies) that it sets itself up for instability after the war.
2. The conflict drags on so long that Europeans push far past previously respected redlines like supplying Ukraine with 1,000 km cruise missile technology. That could lead to constant bombardment of Moscow, provoking Russia to strike NATO directly and then we’re all in serious trouble.
Posted by: ganda | Aug 21 2025 20:31 utc | 89
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1. Russia has sovereign control of its currency. Debt isn’t a hot issue. What are “hidden bank loans”? Is that some Western propaganda narrative like washing machine microchips and Putin dying of cancer?
2. If Europe attacks inside of Russia, say Moscow or St. Pete, the Russians will go immediately to total war. Putin won’t have a choice. The hardliners and Russian citizenry will not accept less.
Russia conquered all the way to France during Napoleon’s time. They can easily do it again. Who has an army or the means to stop them?

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 21 2025 20:48 utc | 95

This Ukronazi war is turning day by day into a much broader conflict……..Baku and far west Ukaine hit hard.
Posted by: tobias cole | Aug 21 2025 18:10 utc | 39
Baku was NOT hit at all, much less “hard”.

Posted by: ThouShalt | Aug 21 2025 20:51 utc | 96

I’m personally ashamed for the vassals licking US boots.
Posted by: seer | Aug 21 2025 18:43 utc | 53
I’m personally ashamed to see my entire government, save for one or two, sucking Israeli dick. And that especially goes for the loud-mouthed new yorker installed in the White House.

Posted by: Nooneuknow | Aug 21 2025 20:58 utc | 97

Alexander Mercouris
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nUYCBm2448
“Moscow vetoes Western guarantees to Kiev, NO to Putin-Zelensky summit; Drone war – Kiev’s huge losses.”

Posted by: JohnGilberts | Aug 21 2025 20:58 utc | 98

To all of the American readers who think that NATO can FAFO in Russia,
Please stop coping. Russia has the best military in the world and has relatively easily won the largest peer engagement since WW2.
Russia has problems, but it still has the materials to make more missiles and planes. The West does not.
It also has an ally in the DPRK, which is itching for action with its elite commando units.
The smart solution for NATO is to stop conducting a genocide, which is essentially a modern crusade for the Holy Land. To fix crime in Chicago before pursuing regime change in Iran and Venezuela. To eliminate student debt while raising educational standards, instead of trying to sell legacy microchips to China.
The West is not smart, so it won’t adopt a path of peace and development. They will make a mess and kill a lot of innocent people while continuing to traffic young women around the world.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 21 2025 21:00 utc | 99

European linguistic sophistry and obstruction is done.
European leaders are delusional malicious buffoons who are nor aligned with their own people.
Economically they’re going through deindustrialisation due to the ideological maliciousness of their political system alliances.
Retards in a Retards kabuki theater.
Responsible for the death and destruction of millions of Slavic people.
Yet again.

Posted by: jpc | Aug 21 2025 21:13 utc | 100